Re: CS antibiotics ??????
With out it I become a shuffling, shaking, hurting, sleeping reck that can't even remember what I done 10 minutes before. I don't have the answer for the reason that CS caused the combination of antibotics that I take to quit working but it did. Floxin has been singled out on one of the major news shows for the neurological damage that can and does occur. I expect you feel untired because of some of this effect. I took one and it was wired to the ceiling time. Be careful of all the fluoroquinilones. What if the CS made you tired from die off of candida or???, have you been tested for yeast? Sorry, just trying to help. I read candida may be causative for CFS symptoms. Deb -- Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: CS and pregnancy
Hi Brooks Bradley and all . Please don't shoot the messenger. I am only reporting others research. I agree with you 100%. I was very troubled with the obviously flawed research done by Fung, et al. Please read these papers yourself. My option is that Fung and Bowen have presented a very poor risk/benifit analysis. They have left out critical data to substantiate most of there claims. They have many misleading and conflicting statements which leave me with more questions than answers. This is an important paper for political reasons. I was planning on providing more information on the paper if anyone is interested. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CS silver nitrate, etc.
Bruce, I have started to read all the old E-mail off the web page you gave me, and I have one basic question with regards to the SOTO CS maker - are we or are we not making good CS? And how do we treat Bruce's concerns about silver proteins, silver nitrate, and silver acetate possibility in our CS? Best of Health, Ni. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRife list
Thank you Mike, for correcting my geriatric-based error. I forgot the Rife-list was a Smartlist. Best Regards. Brooks. M. G. Devour wrote: The rife list is another Smartlist mailing list just like this one. Be sure you put the word subscribe in the *SUBJECT* field, not the body of the message. Smartlist ignores the body entirely, and only looks in the subject field for commands. It's a common mixup with lists run on the Majordomo software, which *does* look in the body and ignores the subject line! grin Mike D. Brooks wrote: Contact rife-list-requ...@eskimo.com to subscribe to their list. Just write subscribe in the body of the message field.It is an excellent list, useful for both the technical-minded and the non-technical. Good Luck. Brooks Bradley. pa...@juno.com wrote: Does anyone know of a Royal Raymond Rife web site or list? Or, any info on his work would be appreciated. Thanks, Pat [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- MZ¡ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: CS and pregnancy
Having just read this post, I am somewhat troubled about the generalized reference to the possible effects of silver in a public water supply. Especially in the absence of any control data (or even a statement of condition) addressing the many possible contaminants and proven toxics present in many public water supplies. Unless the researchers were able to control all other possible contaminants, it is unlikely any useful, valid, data could be obtained. Tracking a single element (if this is what was actually done) within a typical public water supply, as an adjunct to establishing a test protocol relating to fetal development would appear to be an absurd generalizationtotally beyond the bounds of accepted scientific methodology. Without reliable control of all contaminant parameters for ALL of the water consumed by the pregnant women, no significant---or reliable--data could possibly be secured. Otherwise, there is no way to determine which contaminant(s) from among many possibilities, is the culprit. Without using distilled water---free of all possible contaminants except CONTROLLED quantities of silver---it is ludicrous to accept ANY generalization as that related in paragraph two of your post. In view of the very real problems with organophosphate-derived contamination of public water supplies manifesting throughout the U.S. during the years of the stated study, how ANYTHING could be assigned specifically to trace silver contaminationstrains credulity to the breaking point. Please do understand I am not trying to be argumentive or adversarial, but our research group has spent the last 7 years, and many thousands of our own money, pursuing answers to such questions as those posed about fetal development complications caused by toxic compounds. I would be very obliged if you could refer me to a live human who is connected to the research to which you have alluded in this post.Respectfully. Brooks Bradley. rickst...@aol.com wrote: According to the article Silver Products for Medical Indications: Risk- Benefit Assessment by Man Fung and Debra Bowen, they included a paragraph on a case control epidemiology study on the potential risk for the developing fetus when pregnant women use silver products. (actually the study Fung refers to has nothing to due with silver products, only silver in drinking water). The study was conducted by Aschengrau et al. They studied women who delivered infants form 1977 to 1980 in a Massachusetts hospital. They looked at the trace silver (0.001 mg/L) in the public water and late adverse pregnancy outcomes. The results suggested some association between exposure of silver in the drinking water and some increase in fetal development anomalies (ear, face and neck). The authors recognize this study only suggests a possible risk and more research is needed (of course). This is all I know and for more information you may wish to purchase the complete study: Aschengrau A, Zierler S, Cohen A. Quality of community drinking water and the occurrence of late adverse pregnancy outcomes Arch Environ Health 1993: 48:105-113. I get these reports for Healthgate on AOL. Take care, Rick Stellmacher -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- MZ¡ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CS 9V vs 27V
Bruce, In listening to Beck's tape he says tap water is OK, but purified water looks better. I tried filtered water at my home today and the red light came on so I through it away. Also, I'm now putting together a 27V CS maker according to his information. Would you agree that that is better and faster than the 9V? Best of Health, Ni. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS-WaterOz???-intravenouse CS
Alan Shelley Charlesworth wrote: About 2 weeks ago, another person posting on the oxygen list posted that Dameon was in the hospital! I had one up-date since then that he was improving but he had to be on IV antibiotics. I know he hated to do that! Has anyone tried using CS intravenously? Regards, Jason It will be dangerous to inject any distilled water intravenousely. Any CS made of distilled water will be dangerous too. If anyone want to try CS intravenously, it must be in proper saline solution. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS-WaterOz???-intravenouse CS
I would think it dangerous to inject any cs as there may be particles too large to come out of the blood stream. For sure most low volt systems will make large particles, and most of us would have no way of being sure there are absolutely no large particles in any type of cs, be it low volt, high volt, ac or dc. Jim In Moon wrote: Alan Shelley Charlesworth wrote: About 2 weeks ago, another person posting on the oxygen list posted that Dameon was in the hospital! I had one up-date since then that he was improving but he had to be on IV antibiotics. I know he hated to do that! Has anyone tried using CS intravenously? Regards, Jason It will be dangerous to inject any distilled water intravenousely. Any CS made of distilled water will be dangerous too. If anyone want to try CS intravenously, it must be in proper saline solution. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRife list
The rife list is another Smartlist mailing list just like this one. Be sure you put the word subscribe in the *SUBJECT* field, not the body of the message. Smartlist ignores the body entirely, and only looks in the subject field for commands. It's a common mixup with lists run on the Majordomo software, which *does* look in the body and ignores the subject line! grin Mike D. Brooks wrote: Contact rife-list-requ...@eskimo.com to subscribe to their list. Just write subscribe in the body of the message field.It is an excellent list, useful for both the technical-minded and the non-technical. Good Luck. Brooks Bradley. pa...@juno.com wrote: Does anyone know of a Royal Raymond Rife web site or list? Or, any info on his work would be appreciated. Thanks, Pat [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSAddress for Dameon?
Shelley wrote: Anyone else on this list have any up-dates on Dameon? Does anyone have a snail mail address for Dameon? Is he at home or still in the hospital? It would be nice to send him a card. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSWaterOz???
Alan Shelley Charlesworth wrote: About 2 weeks ago, another person posting on the oxygen list posted that Dameon was in the hospital! I had one up-date since then that he was improving but he had to be on IV antibiotics. I know he hated to do that! Has anyone tried using CS intravenously? Regards, Jason -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSAddress for Dameon?
M. G. Devour wrote: Shelley wrote: Anyone else on this list have any up-dates on Dameon? Does anyone have a snail mail address for Dameon? Is he at home or still in the hospital? It would be nice to send him a card. Be well, Mike D. Hi Mike I got this message yesterday from a guy named Scott - I had written to ask him how Dameon is. He is home and can be e-mailed now. === Hi Shelley, God bless your dear heart! Yes, there is good news and some not so good too. First, they identified the infection (not TB) and began a specific drug program for it, but the drugs were too hard on his liver and they had to stop. The drugs , he felt, were doing a good job at killing the infection. So he is on weaker, less specific drugs , apparently. He was bummed a bit about that, but is determined to keep at it. I think he is a bit discouraged and I am sure would like to hear from you. He is back on line and you can e-mail him directly...likow...@earthlink.net, though he sometimes does not have enough strength to read and answer his e-mail the same day. It is good to see him back on-line and hanging in there!! I am sure he will be very glad to hear from you! He needs our prayers continually. God Bless, Scott - So let's keep Dameon in our thoughts prayers! And write him when you can! Shelley -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS antibiotics ??????
Sorry to prove you wrong but it did cancel out the effects of the antibotics in me and I had to quit taking the CS. The way that I know is the antibotics that I take give me energy and wake me up plus other things. With out them I sleep all the time. After about 2 weeks I started going down hill and the antibotics wasn't working any more. About 2-3 days after I stopped the CS they started working again. Some people haven't had problems with mixing the two and I think that it makes a difference in the type of antibotics that the person is taking. Myself I was on floxin and zithromax at the time. Reid, There are lots of possible explanations. You say acidophillus cause intestinal bleeding in you? Gasto-intestinal disturbances are the most frequently reported adverse affects of zithromax. You are concurrently using the EMEM-2? The acidophillus bleeding problem was before I even knew about the EMEM-2 device or Rife. I took it as advized by my doctor and 1-2 days later I was bleeding. The bleeding stopped when I quit taking the acidophillus. What other meds, diet changes, electrobiophysical experimentations are you doing? Floxin and Zithromax have somewhat overlapping toxicities to the kidneys. 25% of Floxin is bound to plasma protein. Ag precipitates plasma protein. The normal dose for Zithromax is one day. Occassionally it is give 3 or even 4 days. Thats pushing it. One patient took it for nine days and suffered irreversible renal failure (Mansoor GA,et al. Azithromycin-induced acute interstitial nephritis. Ann Intern Med 1993; 119: 636-7). Perhaps you were experiencing a die-off rxn? Did you run any tests (liver function, kidney function, blood chem, stools) to zero in on what is really going on? Reid, I'd have to see something more than energy levels in one person. I've seen nothing in the literature as to an interaction of any antibiotic and CS, nor can I think I think up a plausible counteraction. On the other hand, in many cases they may work in an additive fashion. I am not an apologist for CS and don't sell it. My comments are intended in a constructive spirit. Regards, Vincent The doctor at the time gave me a pad of antibotics and said try each one for a few days then try combinations of them and see what helps. I went through each one for a week at a time and none helped alot. Then after a few combinations of both I found floxin and zithromax worked. At the time I was sleeping from 14 to 18 hours a day. I found that if I took that combination at 6:00am and went back to sleep that at 9:00am I would wake up and feal good. I had energy, didn't hurt, and was able to carry on with daily tasks. That's been over 7 years ago and the only thing that has kept me going. With out it I become a shuffling, shaking, hurting, sleeping reck that can't even remember what I done 10 minutes before. I don't have the answer for the reason that CS caused the combination of antibotics that I take to quit working but it did. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRife list
Contact rife-list-requ...@eskimo.com to subscribe to their list. Just write subscribe in the body of the message field.It is an excellent list, useful for both the technical-minded and the non-technical. Good Luck. Brooks Bradley. pa...@juno.com wrote: Does anyone know of a Royal Raymond Rife web site or list? Or, any info on his work would be appreciated. Thanks, Pat ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- MZ¡ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS antibiotics ??????
Vincent: Your posts are excellent - to see where we are heading re. pharmaceuticals the following site is must see. Once you get into it you won't be able leave it... Check out the BERLIN TRIBUNAL http://www.rath.nl/GB/hot1.htm Chris Gupta At 12:38 PM 10/7/98 -0700, VGammill wrote: [snip] Ask yourself if it is in the interest of the pharmaceutical giants to cure you at a reasonable price, or keep you paying through the nose forever. Ask yourself if it is in the interest of those who mind the government coffers for you to live forever in perfect health collecting those benefits, or is it in their interest for you to keel over at age 65. I would not be surprised to learn that the government and the pharmaceutical industry are toying around with chronic diseases of the future to protect themselves against the nightmarish eventuality that everyone has learned to wipe out their own cancer, heart disease, c.. On the other hand that would be a perfect excuse to raise the allowable amounts on all the carcinogens in our food, air, and water. Lets keep our fingers crossed that natural antibiotics such as CS and usnea will prove their mettle in the political-economic healthcare wars to come. Vincent Gammill -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
