Re: CS>Silver Electrodes touching sides/bottom
> > People, > No one has yet answered WHY it is necessary to prevent the > electrodes from touching the sides or the bottom. To reiterate, My > electrodes touch the sides of the pyrex glass container in which I > make my CS, and the silver comes out just fine. > > Nina Good question, Nina! I'm sure for a lot of folks it's just the way they learned and they don't know why, for sure. Using a consistent spacing and allignment allows for more repeatable results and keeping the electrodes away from the glass prevents silver plating out on those surfaces. Of course, if it plates out on the glass, it's not in the CS, plus having a lot of stray metal around may effect the electric field and flow of current in the cell. There's probably not anything wrong with what you're doing, and if your CS works you *know* that. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS, Lyme List
> Hi Marsha, > What lyme list(s) are you on? which do you find to be the most helpful in > terms of info. and treatment info.? I forget, what ppm did you use...was it > 10ppm? Do you still use it? > > Also, you or anyone know any lyme literate docs in the St. Louis, MO area? > > Thanks, > > Christy Dear Christy, It is the sci.med.diseases.lyme group. Only one I know of. My homemade CS is about 18 PPM, and I still use it all the time. I recently went deaf in one ear for about 2 weeks, I found out it was fluid buildup from allergies. No wonder my CS didn`t affect it! Neither did the doc`s abx, it was the nasal spray with prednisone in it that worked! It is OK again, thank Goodness, boy was it a nasty feeling. I`m sorry I know of no docs in St. Louis, but that is where I get my silver from! Have a super day, today! Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>I have silver again!
Dear Silver appreciative folks, I have more silver wire available now, if anyone wants some. Just let me know! Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver Electrodes touching sides/bottom
People, No one has yet answered WHY it is necessary to prevent the electrodes from touching the sides or the bottom. To reiterate, My electrodes touch the sides of the pyrex glass container in which I make my CS, and the silver comes out just fine. Nina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver Electrodes touching sides/bottom
In a message dated 00-06-04 11:58:55 EDT, you write: << People, No one has yet answered WHY it is necessary to prevent the electrodes from touching the sides or the bottom. To reiterate, My electrodes touch the sides of the pyrex glass container in which I make my CS, and the silver comes out just fine. Nina >> Nina: The only reason I can think of to avoid having the electrodes touch the sides of the container in that you are inadvertantly increasing the current density. If the current density gets too high your CS brew will suffer in quality. Whether or not CS quality suffers in actuality depends on the setup you are using. In your cas there appears to be no problem, but that doesn't mean that everyone will be so fortunate. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Dysbiosis and CS?
I am not seeing much results really. I am on the probiotics about 3-4 weeks now, but I know it takes time and I have a LOT wrong. Plus I have had some stress lately which doesn't help...but I am sure the probiotics will help. Eat right for your blood type diet is very important too I believe. I was a vegetarian for 14 years and am lacking protein and amino acids, as well as we now suspect a possible celisc disease too thanks to some helpful people on this list. ;0) I am O for those familiar with the diet...grains are not my friend! :0( DARN! hehe I think I will stick with the Olive leaf for my lyme though, I have read great things about it as I feel it is more safe and works better for "me" in my oppinion. Not to mention I think it is causing a die off of things..I assume the bad bacteria can cause detox symptoms right? As well as the lyme I'd think! But maybe occassionally I will take a few sips of CS held in my mouth though and see if it helps.. but I am wary to do that right now since I don't think it helped me as much as I had hoped since my problems are deeper than lyme disease. Thanks! Nicole :O) --- Wayne Mosley wrote: > I SAW IN A BOOK IF YOU USE VERY DILUTE AMOUNTS > OF SILVER IT WON'T HARM > THE INTESTINAL FLOURA BUT I FIND IT HARD TO > BELIEVE THAT SUCH SMALL > AMOUNTS WOULD DO ANY GOOD EITHER BECAUSE BASED > ON SOME STUDIES I SAW IT > TAKES 40 PPM AS A BACTERIOSTATIC BUT THATS IN > DIRECT CONTACT. THE RATS > WERE GIVEN MUCH MUCH HIGHER DOSES LIKE 1500 PPM > AND MORE WITH NO TOXIC > EFFECTS. I AM AFRAID THAT NOT MANY PEOPLE HERE > KNOW THE ANSWER BECAUSE > THERE ARE FEW STUDIES AND HARD TO FIND. THE > BEST IS FROM SOMEONE WHO > HAS SUCESSFULLY DEALT WITH THESE THINGS OF > COURSE. THE EPA LEVELS FOR > TOXICITY ARE OVER 350 OR 400 PPM BUT THEY DON'T > SAY HOW MUCH OF IT. YOU > SHOULD CALL THEM. ALSO KEEP TAKING YOUR > PROBIOTICS AND IF YOU LET THE > SILVER SOAK INTO YOUR MOUTH IT WON'T GET DOWN > TO THE INTESTINES.. I > THINK. SOMEONE MAY CORRECT ME ON THAT BUT ITS > A HUNCH THAT MAKES SENSE. > > SO ANYHOW ARE YOU AGETTING BETTER YET? HAS IT > BEEN A WEEK OR 10 DAYS > YET SINCE THE PROTIOTICS? > > GOOD JOB. > > ALSO THE STUDY ON THE RATS WAS ONLY FOR 40 > DAYS. I'M NOT SHURE ITS A > GOOD IDEA TO TAKE IT FOREVER BUT IF YOU HAVE > LYME YOU HAVE TO HAVE > PRIORITIES AND WITH SUCH LITTLE INFO OUT THERE > ON SILVER *IE STUDIES > IT CAN BE SCARRY. > > GOOD LUCK. HOPE SOMEONE HERE CAN GIVE YOU MORE > HELP AS IAM NEW HERE > ALSO. > > STAY IN TOUCH > WAYNE > > http://www.pagetalk.com./play.phtml?u=11074809&b=1";>http://www.pagetalk.com/pagetalk-button.phtml?u=11074809&b=1"; alt="Play audio for button (1)" width=95 height=29 border=0 align=bottom> http://www.pagetalk.com/logo-click.phtml?u=11074809&b=1";>http://www.pagetalk.com/pagetalk-logo.phtml?u=11074809&b=1"; border=0 width=95 height=11 align=bottom> realw...@webtv.net mailto:realw...@webtv.net?no_signature="true";> RealWort's Instant Pager http://members.tripod.com/~speak2/clear.gif";>http://members.tripod.com/~speak2/powered1x1.gif";> __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Dysbiosis and CS?
Thank you but I have a milk allergy. ;0) goats milk too. --- rob gr wrote: > Good quality yogurt will work as a probiotic > (healthy bacteria). > > Rob > in Memphis > > > >From: lfzbiz...@aol.com > >Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Subject: Re: CS>Dysbiosis and CS? > >Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 20:15:24 EDT > > > >Well, I for one would LOVE to know what > probiotics are...please enlighten > >this ignorant one. > > > >Thank you, > > > >Lynn > > > > > >-- > >The silver-list is a moderated forum for > discussion of colloidal silver. > > > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest > send an e-mail message to: > >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- > silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the > SUBJECT line. > > > >To post, address your message to: > silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail > at http://www.hotmail.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT: Chromium Picolinate
Hello and welcome Bryan: I too bench press, and yes, I take CP...I take 500 mgs 3xdayNever had any side effects, and is good for weight loss., but please, don't forget your other vitamins, like C,B, Magnesium, iron, garlic, and lots of E. Vit. e, I have been taking since I was 9 years old, had a mother who insisted that our skin always looked good, she was right., still look about 20 years younger than I am.PTL. Hope you have good luck with your plan!! Linda - Original Message - From: "Devnull" To: Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 10:55 PM Subject: CS>OT: Chromium Picolinate > First off I don't really like asking off topic question any more > than anyone else wants to see them, if someone could could tell me a > more general place for alternative health type info that would be cool. > Does anyone know just how effective chromium picolinate to help lose > weight and build muscle? I am using a treadmill and weight bench 2x > every day already. Dosages? Experiences with it? Side effects? -Bryan > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Silver Electrodes touching sides/bottom
- Original Message - From: "Nina Silver, Ph.D." To: Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 11:51 AM Subject: Re: CS>Silver Electrodes touching sides/bottom > > People, > No one has yet answered WHY it is necessary to prevent the electrodes from > touching the sides or the bottom. To reiterate, My electrodes touch the > sides of the pyrex glass container in which I make my CS, and the silver > comes out just fine. > > Nina ] There is, or should be no effect from electrodes touching the bottom of the container as long as the container is glass or plastic and is non-conductive. With your pyrex container, it is totally a non-issue! BillB > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS, Lyme List versus Marsha
Hi Wayne. I am wondering if you can tell the list where you got the information that "Silver can poison the liver and kidneys if vitamin E is not present" If it's on the internet can you please give us the URL...As you're new to the list It might be an idea for you to go back and read some of the earlier list archives in which you may find some of the answers you're looking for. ARose Wayne Mosley wrote: hi marsha, I am new here but am learning alot since I started doing my own research on the medline. At first I got no hits (articles). Then I changed my tactics. I used silver and nutrition and came up with 95 articles. Several are not available in abstract form but are there at the universities and can be ordered. I found out that silver can poison the liver and kidneys if vitamin E is not present. Practical stuff like that as well as Copper blocks some of those toxic effects and is also better than silver as an anti plaque medication and had the added benefit of being an essential nutrient. I am still trying to find out if and how much silver is recognized as an essential micronutrient. Can anyone here answer that? Also if silver can be "classified" as a nutrient then the NIH (national institutes of health) can award a grant for research studies on its value for treating various conditions. If some of the side benefits turn out to be antiviral, antibacterial as well then thats another issue and I believe falls under a different category, BUT a few emails should find out. I'll let you guys now. Please take glutathione peroxidase in a few substances like schizandra berries, beets and others but the point is that the body can synthesize it from glutathione and selenium. The body has a genetic functionality which requires selenium as part of its antioxidant defense mechanisms. Vitamine E is just one such antioxidant. The better one of late is alpha lipoic acid (potatoes and others) which is involved with the Krebs energy cycle of the cell. It keeps the other antioxidants in a ready state to do their job. Now, if anyone wants to pursue this line of reasoning please contact me as I have contact with the NIH. It is a sad day people give up hopes. I am glad that this is working for you. What concentration do you use? I have a friend that will be very interested... thanks wayne realw...@webtv.net RealWort's Instant Pager
Re: CS>OT: Chromium Picolinate
yeah I have always taken some multi vitamins which have all that good stuff and I have a great diet. Thanks -Bryan linda lord wrote: > Hello and welcome Bryan: > > I too bench press, and yes, I take CP...I take 500 mgs 3xdayNever had > any side effects, and is good for weight loss., but please, don't forget > your other vitamins, like C,B, Magnesium, iron, garlic, and lots of E. Vit. > e, I have been taking since I was 9 years old, had a mother who insisted > that our skin always looked good, she was right., still look about 20 years > younger than I am.PTL. Hope you have good luck with your plan!! > Linda > - Original Message - > From: "Devnull" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 10:55 PM > Subject: CS>OT: Chromium Picolinate > > > First off I don't really like asking off topic question any more > > than anyone else wants to see them, if someone could could tell me a > > more general place for alternative health type info that would be cool. > > Does anyone know just how effective chromium picolinate to help lose > > weight and build muscle? I am using a treadmill and weight bench 2x > > every day already. Dosages? Experiences with it? Side effects? -Bryan > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Silver Electrodes touching sides/bottom
Hi Nina; For short time brewing no problem with the electrodes touching the bottom. For long time brew that can be another story, As I have had sliver bridging across plastic spacers, znd forming a conductive path that screwed up my current raedings. You might get by with it many times but it will bite you when you are not aware of it. The conductive path might not even be very visible to conduct current so why tempt fate??? "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS
Silver list: I'm hoping that list subscribers could give me some feed-back with regard to determining the best CS dosage for someone who is already sick and is about to begin taking CS. Most of the time the body's immune system is in a sort of equilibrium with various types of pathogens. Since we are constantly bombarded by one type of microbe or another, we are never really free of them. Instead, the body has to maintain a never-ending defense to keep any of them from multiplying significantly. When we do get sick, the equilibrium between our immune system and the disease-causing pathogen may be only somewhat tipped in favor of the pathogen so that it can multiply. Now the question is how much CS should we take to fight off the disease? If we were to take mega-doses of CS these's a reasonable chance that we may regain our health as quickly as possible. However, there may be a rational to take JUST ENOUGH CS to tip the scales in our favor so that our immune system can respond almost naturally. If we were to follow this practice, wouldn't the body have a better chance to develop its own antibodies that will provide a long term defense against this particular illness? Taking CS in this manner, would emulate how innoculations are supposed to work. Any thoughts? Roger Altman -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver Electrodes touching sides/bottom
Thank you, Trem and Ole Bob for your responses to my question about plating out. Lynn -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver Electrodes touching sides/bottom
Thank you, Mike, for answering Nina's (and I had the same question) about the silver "plating out" by touching the bottom and sides. So in other words, you are saying that the silver which does end up "plating out' could be more useful ending up in the solution, instead of settling at the bottom? Makes sense. Lynn -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver Electrodes touching sides/bottom
Thank you for answering mine and Nina's question about this. Lynn -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver Electrodes touching sides/bottom
Thanks, W.T., for the info on the plexiglas and motor! Lynn -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS, Lyme List
OH! USENET!! CASE CLOSED!!! Ignore the flamers unless you enjoy the sparring. Say what you want, and to h*** with them Most of the flamers are on BIG ego trips with all sorts of made up qualifications. Chuck Democracy is based on the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it --good and hard! On Sun, 04 Jun 2000 07:43:16 -0700, Marsha Hallett wrote: >Dear Christy, It is the sci.med.diseases.lyme group. Only one I know of. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Dysbiosis and CS?
Marsha: Don't give up -- I have been on the sci.med.lyme newsgroup and read some of the "mean" posts in response to your very helpful outreach. Do not give up! I am behind you and believe in what you are doing! I don't know why they are reacting in this way. But just keep on spreading the word, and so will I. Soon, there will be so many of us, by default, that we will have to become commonplace--let'shope! Love in Humanity, Lynn -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS
Roger, I regularly take an ounce of CS daily along with my regular supplements. Haven't had a cold or flu incident since I started about 2 years ago. (Sometimes feel blue though(joke)). Chuck Doing strange things in the name of art! On Sun, 4 Jun 2000 16:22:06 EDT, rogalt...@aol.com wrote: > >I'm hoping that list subscribers could give me some feed-back with regard to >determining the best CS dosage for someone who is already sick and is about >to begin taking CS. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>lyme-aid list
Marsha, I belong to the lyme-aid list that has over 200 members and about 20 messages a day lyme-...@egroups they post about CS also. Just signed up for sci.med.diseases.lyme. Thanks, Mary -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver Electrodes touching sides/bottom
I use a vision ware pot and the electrodes touch the bottom, I have used this same pot for the past four years, the meter I use for testing PPM shows between 4 to 6 PPM each time, so I cannot agree with the following statement. Blessings Ted Trem wrote: > Hi List, > > There can be a downside to letting electrodes touch the glass. It can > plate out onto the glass and the next time you use the vessel, the plating > can allow some of the current to flow from the electrodes to the plated > portions which will then provide a current path and that will reduce the > current flow between the electrodes. The result is you won't get as strong > CS as you had thought. Best to clean the plating off the glass before > using the vessel again or use a new one every once in a while. > > You can clean the plating off your vessel with 3% hydrogen peroxide. > > Trem > www.silvergen.com > > At 01:50 PM 6/4/00 -0400, you wrote: > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Nina Silver, Ph.D." > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 11:51 AM > >Subject: Re: CS>Silver Electrodes touching sides/bottom > > > > > > > > > > People, > > > No one has yet answered WHY it is necessary to prevent the electrodes from > > > touching the sides or the bottom. To reiterate, My electrodes touch the > > > sides of the pyrex glass container in which I make my CS, and the silver > > > comes out just fine. > > > > > > Nina > >] > > There is, or should be no effect from electrodes touching the bottom of the > >container as long as > > the container is glass or plastic and is non-conductive. With your pyrex > >container, it is totally > > a non-issue! > > > >BillB > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > >
Re: CS>lyme-aid list
Hi Mary, Please let us know which list you think is better in terms of infotreatment info I also just signed up on Lyme-Aid. I would sign up on both but I can barley handle all the lists I am on now. If you have a chance and its not too much trouble could you ask on the sci.med one if they know of any lyme literate docs in St. Louis, MO or nearby? Recently, I got postiive lyme tests. thanks, Christy n a message dated 6/4/00 2:26:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, helenw8...@aol.com writes: << Subj: CS>lyme-aid list Date: 6/4/00 2:26:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: helenw8...@aol.com Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Marsha, I belong to the lyme-aid list that has over 200 members and about 20 messages a day lyme-...@egroups they post about CS also. Just signed up for sci.med.diseases.lyme. Thanks, Mary >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>OT lymeliteratedocSt.Louis?Disabilityetc.
Hi to the lyme people. I am forwarding this email to fill you in on my situation.Some forms of mycoplamsa do not cause serious problems but Mycoplasma fermentans (incognitus strain) is the strain that Dr. Lo of the Armed Forces has the United States patent on which states when it was injected into monkeys they died in 7 to 9 months. It is being found in 1/2 of the sick Gulf War vets and a smaller percentage I believe of CFS and Fibro people. It can cause many of the same symptoms as lyme. That's why I thought the odds were against me having both. It is air borne according to Dr. Garth Nicolson (www.immed.org) and also spread through saliva, sex, and I believe sweat. Is the lyme contagious also and if so how is it transmitted? Also, is headaches on the top of the head espeically in warm environments known to be a symptom of lyme? Also, I am doing my own alternative therapy but I guess it may be good for me to have a doc who is lyme literate if there are any in my area. Do you know of any in St. Louis, MO or nearby? Also, is it hard for lyme people to get disability? Thanks, Christy --- Begin Message --- --- Begin Message --- Hi guys! Yes, I do think the dna helper is on to something and I do appreciate all the work the DNA helper is doing. I was going over an email post to the list from the helper from about March with some numbers for Borrelia Burgdorfi (it's down stairs) the other day and noticed that a bunch of the numbers (or very close numbers) are also listed on the Dan Tracy/Jim Bare list I printed off of Turf's site and/or on a list that Don Tunney's assistant sent me of freqs used for Lyme that they found some of their CFS volunteers where having hits with. Anyway, I found that quite interesting...smile!!! Also, I have been having hits with those numbers from the email that I have done...mostly strong tostrong underlined. A couple weeks ago I took a week (or 6 days) off of all supplements and rifing (I felt worse during that time...starting a few days after stopping the stuff). Anyway, I then had my blood shipped to Dr. Lidda Mattmann (spelling??) in Michigan and a lab in Floridia...Bowen Research and Training Institute and I got all my results in now. They both tested for Borrelia Borgdorfi and said I was positive. Mattman does a blood culture from your blood and sends pictures of the spirochetes. The other lab did rapid fluorescent antibody technique for Borrelia. Bowen also said peripheral blood smear suggests: Human Granulocytic Erhlichia (HGE) and Babesia...confirmation of indicated. Well, I am sick of paying for and getting blood drawn and sent to labs etc. so i will just assume I may have those so if you have any freqs for those let me know. I really don't know a whole lot about these labs or tests but a few weeks or so ago I started wondering if I could have lyme in addition to the Mycoplasma fermentans incognitus. In the past I have talked to like Dan tracy for instance and he went through like a list of 30 symptoms with me asking me if I had them and I kept saying yes, yes, yes, etc. and he kept saying you have Lyme and I kept saying but you don't understand I have Mycoplasma fermentans incognitus and it can cause about all the same symtpoms and the whole illness started with a bad case of mycoplasma pneumonia so it makes sense that since I developed chronic symptoms the whole thing was caused by the Mycoplasma fermentans incognitus which can cause systemic and chronic illness. He just kept saying I had Lyme but it never occured to me I could be unlucky enough to have both. But, one thing I do remember is ever since like around maybe 5th or 6th grade or so I would get real bad headaches if out in the sun and heat for hours. And, this lady said she thought that could be from the lyme. Anyway I prayed to God to send me a sign or help me know if I had lyme. Well, the next day or so I had a dream in which I was at like a dance and I was wearing a bright lyme green real fancy dress and so was another lady in the dream. Then when I woke up I thought boy was that weird nobody wears that color...that lyme green, anymore...how weird...nobody has worn anything like that for years since like the 80's. But, at the time that's all I thought about it...didn't get the lyme as in borrelia yet at that point. Then that night my dad was watching Lawrence Welk and I was watching it...ugghh!!...LOL!!! while eating dinner and out comes this woman in a real fancy dress that was bright lyme green. Then comes out another woman in a another fancy lyme green dresssame color but different style (as in my dream) and then I think the third lady came out like that also but again different style...same color. And, I thought boy that's weird and mentioned my dream to my dad. And, ht Lawrence Welk show looked like it was made in like the 80's (early I guess) by the hair styles/feathered hair, etc. and of course
Re: CS> HVAC
Good Evening Roger; Just queery about HVAC cs. I made some using the arc method and had a 17.6 ppm and a conductance of 1125 in 3 hours! The pH is about 4, and when I sniffed the containor is smelled like nitric acid. I covered the container with a white paper table napkin and in about 3 hours the portion over the CS had taken on a light brown color. The CS is crystal clear with a very weak T.E. What do I have??? "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>PPM
Hi folks, The difference in uS reading to ppm that various folks have noted is why I did not mention a correlation factor, but advised that one should have their product tested to provide a relationship for their particular output. The discrepancies in conductivity vs. concentration reflect the condition of the colloid, it would seem (particle size, charge, etc.). The colloid as produced by my little generators show a 1 : 1 relationship uS : ppm, which agrees with Trems results. Ivan. - Original Message - From: "Alvin Rose" To: Sent: Sunday, 4 June 2000 09:40 Subject: Re: CS>PPM > Hi Trem > Please translate my readings...what do you suggest that > my ppm would be 28.5 on my pwt meter 2 ppm to start. > It gets a little confusing for me. > Arose > > Trem wrote: > > > Hi James, > > > > Sorry to disagree. I had a few samples analyzed by the atomic absorption > > method and the readings correlate almost directly with PWT readings. If > > the samples were digested first in aqua regia, then the readings taken with > > the PWT were about 45% lower. That would correlate with readings done on > > a spectrophot.ometer. > > > > I prefer to believe the independent lab results over the Hanna > > recommendation. In any case the PWT reads almost right on or 45% > > high. It's still quite repeatable. So just choose your belief system: > > atomic absorption or spectrophotometer. > > > > I also subtract the uS reading of starting water before the calculation. > > > > Trem > > www.silvergen.com > > > > At 09:28 AM 6/3/00 -0700, you wrote: > > >Somebody said... > > >I just made a batch of Colloidal Silver..I measured the distilled water with > > >a Hanna PWT meter at a reading of 2...I let it brew for 55 minutes..cleaning > > >the silver every 15 minutes or so. my electrodes are 1.5 inches apart in 8 > > >oz jar..The PWT meter now reads 28.5 what PPM do I have? > > > > > >And I say... > > >Well, I'm not Ivan, however, I do have an answer to your query. With the > > >Hanna PWT, you need to divide the number of ppm's that are showing by 2 in > > >order to get a true and accurate portrayal. With your example, you started > > >with 2ppm and ended with 28.5 so first we subtract 2 from 28.5 leaving us > > >with 26.5 and then we divide 26.5 by 2 leaving us with a sol of 13.25ppm (or > > >thereabouts). > > > > > >This is the information that I got direct from my Hanna rep. so I'm pretty > > >sure it's correct. > > > > > >Yours in health, > > >James Allison -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS
Hello Roger, As silver disables pathogens rather than destroying them, ie prevents their reproduction or ability process energy, the immune system (antibodies et al) is still required to latch onto and break the pathogenic cells apart and eliminate them. As I see it, silver stops or slows the proliferation of infectious agents (the cells of which may divide every 20mins) and allows the immune system to catch up to and clear the infection in a shorter time frame than otherwise would have occurred. Far better to be healthy and to have an efficient immune system, than to rely on silver to 'protect' you IMO, and only use silver when required. Ivan. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, 5 June 2000 08:22 Subject: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS > Silver list: > > I'm hoping that list subscribers could give me some feed-back with regard to > determining the best CS dosage for someone who is already sick and is about > to begin taking CS. > > Most of the time the body's immune system is in a sort of equilibrium with > various types of pathogens. Since we are constantly bombarded by one type of > microbe or another, we are never really free of them. Instead, the body has > to maintain a never-ending defense to keep any of them from multiplying > significantly. > > When we do get sick, the equilibrium between our immune system and the > disease-causing pathogen may be only somewhat tipped in favor of the pathogen > so that it can multiply. Now the question is how much CS should we take to > fight off the disease? > > If we were to take mega-doses of CS these's a reasonable chance that we may > regain our health as quickly as possible. However, there may be a rational to > take JUST ENOUGH CS to tip the scales in our favor so that our immune system > can respond almost naturally. If we were to follow this practice, wouldn't > the body have a better chance to develop its own antibodies that will provide > a long term defense against this particular illness? Taking CS in this > manner, would emulate how innoculations are supposed to work. > > Any thoughts? > > Roger Altman > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS> HVAC
Hi there Bob, If one strikes an arc in moist air (as found above a body of water), ozone and nitric acid are formed. If you use silver electrodes the silver will be sputtered as silver ions and silver oxide. The ozone will most likely become H2O2 where it reacts with water, nitric acid will dissolve into the water and these plus the silver and silver oxide will all add to the conductivity reading, I should think. Ivan. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, 5 June 2000 10:47 Subject: Re: CS> HVAC > Good Evening Roger; > > Just queery about HVAC cs. I made some using the arc method and had a 17.6 ppm > and a conductance of 1125 in 3 hours! > The pH is about 4, and when I sniffed the containor is smelled like nitric acid. > I covered the container with a white paper > table napkin and in about 3 hours the portion over the CS had taken on a light > brown color. The CS is crystal clear with a very weak T.E. > > What do I have??? > > "Ole Bob" > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>COULD SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE ME THE FORMULA FOR AMPS PER SQCMOR
Ha, ha! A bit rough and ready but should work. However, it will only be relevant to that particular CS. Ivan. - Original Message - From: "Wayne Mosley" To: Sent: Sunday, 4 June 2000 02:18 Subject: Re: CS>COULD SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE ME THE FORMULA FOR AMPS PER SQCMOR > NOPE... FOR ME EASY MEANS SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I WILL TAKE A KNOWN > SAMPLE OF SAY 400 PPM ... DILUTE IT DOWN TO SAY 40 PPM. TURN THE LIGHT > OFF AND PUT A LASER THROUGH THE MEDIUM TO NOTICE THAT EFFECT OF > REFRACTIVE POTENTIAL OF THE BEAM AT THAT CONCENTRATION. I WILL DO THE > SAME FOR HALF AND DOUBLE THAT STRENGTH. POSSIBLY 200 AND THEN 400 AGAIN > PPM. THE AMOUNT OF REFRACTION SHOULD GIVE ME AN VISUAL INDICATOR > METHOD. DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE? > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: Man with cancer
Hi, not long ago someone inquired about possible treatments for Cancer. Think this is a very informative and interesting site on the subject. Mary http://www.health2us.com/cancer.htm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS
In a message dated 00-06-04 21:15:45 EDT, you write: << Hello Roger, As silver disables pathogens rather than destroying them, ie prevents their reproduction or ability process energy, the immune system (antibodies et al) is still required to latch onto and break the pathogenic cells apart and eliminate them. As I see it, silver stops or slows the proliferation of infectious agents (the cells of which may divide every 20mins) and allows the immune system to catch up to and clear the infection in a shorter time frame than otherwise would have occurred. Far better to be healthy and to have an efficient immune system, than to rely on silver to 'protect' you IMO, and only use silver when required. Ivan. >> Ivan: So based on your reasoning, taking large doses on CS (only at the onset of illness) would be a better strategy than just trying to take the minimum amount of CS under the same conditions since the body's own immune system is needed for the final elimination of these microbes. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> HVAC
In a message dated 00-06-04 21:28:28 EDT, you write: << Hi there Bob, Ivan: You said, "If one strikes an arc in moist air (as found above a body of water), ozone and nitric acid are formed." During sputtering I smell virtually no ozone. I am interested in your idea about nitric acid though. I may submit a sample for analysis. But before I do, I'd like you to tell me the difference in taste between my HVAC CS with a pH of 4 or so, and a sample of laboratory grade nitric acid made to pH ~4. If you agree to a taste test, I'll submit my HVAC CS for nitric acid analysis. Then you said, "If you use silver electrodes the silver will be sputtered as silver ions and silver oxide." I'm afraid I'll have to disagree here as well. It can be demonstrated quite easily that silver oxide is unstable at sputtering temperatures. As far a producing silver ions in the arc goes, I have not run across any evidence that an electropotential that is barely high enough to ionize air, is anywhere near the electropotential required to ionize silver. If you have some data that confirms the production of silver ions at ~10,000 volts please pass it along. And finally you said, "The ozone will most likely become H2O2 where it reacts with water,..." Oh boy, I know I'm on thin ice now, but I'm not likely to agree with you here as well. I sampled a very small amount of 3% H2O2 in my mouth a few weeks ago. A very ugly experience. Again, my HVAC CS tastes a lot like water. So how much H2O2 could I have made, particularly when I never smelled any ozone in the first place? Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>PPM, Lyme
Hi all. 2 questions. One very basic...what does parts per million actually mean? And, for example, is 18 ppm smaller or larger particles of silver than 5 for example? Also, what do you think of 5 ppm for lyme? Thanks, Christy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Introducing Myself--Lisa Henderson
Hello to Everyone on the Silver List,
I'm new to the list, but I've been reading the archives and all the
recent links posted by many of you for the last few weeks. What a great
group of folks! You've brought up many of my questions as a new
experimenter and made me really think about the nature of health and
disease. My background is in psychology and economics (BA) and business
(MBA) but I've always been interested in the hard sciences. I like
hands-on projects, and like to prove things for myself, so here I am!
I'm thrilled to say that I'm at this moment creating my FIRST batch of CS
using a basic 27-volt set up I've seen recommended here. I had a fun time
today at Radio Shack. :) I nearly whooped when my little 40mA bulb
actually lit up when I touched my two alligator clips together! I'm really
excited about testing different strengths of my CS on plates of
gelatin/sugar/cornstarch. I intend to send out some samples and will keep
close tabs on timing and procedures so I'll be able to know what PPM I'm
probably making. I'm much more comfortable with statistical analyses than
with electonics, but I like to stretch my horizons.
Thankfully, I don't have any major health concerns at the moment, but my
ancient dog is on a second antibiotic to try to get rid of a urinary tract
infection. I hope silver will be helpful to him. I have a toddler who is
amazingly healthy and I want to keep him that way. My husband is a natural
skeptic, so I'll need to prove the value of this concoction to him with
our own experiences. I've studied homeopathy in depth, but I prefer simple
solutions to problems. I've recently discovered Reiki healing, but
haven't been able to demonstrate its effectiveness yet, but it's nice to
do. I'm not really religious, but I recently discovered scientific studies
that demonstrate the efficacy of prayer, so I'm all for that too. (Please
see my .sig for a great site that links to the article.) I guess that my
natural inclination to be pro-active in regards to my health has led me to
this list. I look forward to contributing my own insights once I gain
some!
I've been curious as to what sorts of bottles most of you use to store
your CS? I hit on the idea of using corked amber beer bottles and have
been patting myself on the back all week. Anyone know of reactions of CS
to corks? I've also prepared a nice amber rum bottle and a wine bottle!
I finally found out the reason that people say not to refrigerate CS. It's
the electric field of the fridge itself that may interfere with the charge
of the colloid. Any comments/additions? :) Thanks in advance!
I'm so glad to have found you all and I'm sure I'll be writing again soon
with a technical question or two for the gurus of the group. I've followed
the URLS you have in your .sigs and am pleased with finding so much
interesting information on this amazing substance. I was a bit confused
by some of the statements made on some silver web pages when I first
started doing searches on the subject. I'm so grateful to this group for
helping to clear up much of the murk and shed some real light on a process
that is not likely to have many "reputable studies" funded by the major
pharmaceutical firms. (I caught that slam over on the bionet newsgroup.)
And Mike, you're one of the best moderators I've ever seen on a list.
Thanks for your kindness and thoroughness! And thanks to all of you for
inspiring me to go ahead and make some colloidal silver for myself!
To good health for one and all! Cheers!
Lisa Henderson
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CS>Find that MSDS
Has any one on this list found a MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) on CS . You can not have employees or transport any material without one. I think it is very strange for the EPA to have any numbers on CS. In my dealing with the EPA. They did not care how many dead humans you had, just as long as the environment was not polluted. OSHA on the other hand did not care what you buried in the back yard, just as long as no employees where exposed to any thing that the employees didn't know the risks for. OSHA should be the agency that has the pertinent information, but so far I can not find it. Dos anyone have any feed back. bradki...@email.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS
Well, to be clear Roger, this is my view : 1.The best protection from pathogens and toxins is a healthy immune system. 2. Silver is not an immune system booster but rather an adjunct to it. 3. Silver works by disabling pathogens so that they may not proliferate, thus lessening the work required by the immune system to clear the infection. 4. The metallothioneins which the body uses to chelate and eliminate toxic metals are used to eliminate silver also. If high doses of silver are present these proteins may not be able to eliminate toxic metals as readily, and if overwhelmed, may result in the deposition of silver in the tissue. 5. I would use silver in fairly large doses at the onset and throughout the course of an infection, split into many small doses during the day, and discontinue silver use once the infection has passed. 6. I would use silver as a preventative before eating suspect food, close contact with infectious persons etc., and as a disinfective in the kitchen (notably inside the refrigerator) and bathroom. Regards, Ivan. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, 5 June 2000 14:07 Subject: Re: CS>"Innoculating" Ourselves with CS > In a message dated 00-06-04 21:15:45 EDT, you write: > > << Hello Roger, > > As silver disables pathogens rather than destroying them, ie prevents > their reproduction or ability process energy, the immune system > (antibodies et al) is still required to latch onto and break the > pathogenic cells apart and eliminate them. > > As I see it, silver stops or slows the proliferation of infectious > agents (the cells of which may divide every 20mins) and allows the > immune system to catch up to and clear the infection in a shorter time > frame than otherwise would have occurred. > > Far better to be healthy and to have an efficient immune system, than to > rely on silver to 'protect' you IMO, and only use silver when required. > > Ivan. > >> > > Ivan: > > So based on your reasoning, taking large doses on CS (only at the onset of > illness) would be a better strategy than just trying to take the minimum > amount of CS under the same conditions since the body's own immune system is > needed for the final elimination of these microbes. > > Roger > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>PPM, Lyme
> Hi all. 2 questions. One very basic...what does parts per million actually > mean? And, for example, is 18 ppm smaller or larger particles of silver than > 5 for example? Also, what do you think of 5 ppm for lyme? > > Thanks, > > Christy Dear Christy, It means so many parts of silver per parts of distilled water; 18 PPM is 18 parts of silver to a million parts of water. 5 PPM in my opinion isn`t enough. You have to have enough to go all over the body, nailing the nasty little bugs... Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Introducing Myself--Lisa Henderson
Welcome Lisa,
You are a real go-getter and an inspiration to all. You have enthusiasm
and a thirst for learning more. I agree that this is a most wonderful
list with wonderful members and yes, Mike is absolutely the best
owner/moderators one could hope for.
diane
Lisa Henderson wrote:
>
> Hello to Everyone on the Silver List,
>
> I'm new to the list, but I've been reading the archives and all the
> recent links posted by many of you for the last few weeks. What a great
> group of folks! You've brought up many of my questions as a new
> experimenter and made me really think about the nature of health and
> disease. My background is in psychology and economics (BA) and business
> (MBA) but I've always been interested in the hard sciences. I like
> hands-on projects, and like to prove things for myself, so here I am!
>
> I'm thrilled to say that I'm at this moment creating my FIRST batch of CS
> using a basic 27-volt set up I've seen recommended here. I had a fun time
> today at Radio Shack. :) I nearly whooped when my little 40mA bulb
> actually lit up when I touched my two alligator clips together! I'm really
> excited about testing different strengths of my CS on plates of
> gelatin/sugar/cornstarch. I intend to send out some samples and will keep
> close tabs on timing and procedures so I'll be able to know what PPM I'm
> probably making. I'm much more comfortable with statistical analyses than
> with electonics, but I like to stretch my horizons.
>
> Thankfully, I don't have any major health concerns at the moment, but my
> ancient dog is on a second antibiotic to try to get rid of a urinary tract
> infection. I hope silver will be helpful to him. I have a toddler who is
> amazingly healthy and I want to keep him that way. My husband is a natural
> skeptic, so I'll need to prove the value of this concoction to him with
> our own experiences. I've studied homeopathy in depth, but I prefer simple
> solutions to problems. I've recently discovered Reiki healing, but
> haven't been able to demonstrate its effectiveness yet, but it's nice to
> do. I'm not really religious, but I recently discovered scientific studies
> that demonstrate the efficacy of prayer, so I'm all for that too. (Please
> see my .sig for a great site that links to the article.) I guess that my
> natural inclination to be pro-active in regards to my health has led me to
> this list. I look forward to contributing my own insights once I gain
> some!
>
> I've been curious as to what sorts of bottles most of you use to store
> your CS? I hit on the idea of using corked amber beer bottles and have
> been patting myself on the back all week. Anyone know of reactions of CS
> to corks? I've also prepared a nice amber rum bottle and a wine bottle!
> I finally found out the reason that people say not to refrigerate CS. It's
> the electric field of the fridge itself that may interfere with the charge
> of the colloid. Any comments/additions? :) Thanks in advance!
>
> I'm so glad to have found you all and I'm sure I'll be writing again soon
> with a technical question or two for the gurus of the group. I've followed
> the URLS you have in your .sigs and am pleased with finding so much
> interesting information on this amazing substance. I was a bit confused
> by some of the statements made on some silver web pages when I first
> started doing searches on the subject. I'm so grateful to this group for
> helping to clear up much of the murk and shed some real light on a process
> that is not likely to have many "reputable studies" funded by the major
> pharmaceutical firms. (I caught that slam over on the bionet newsgroup.)
>
> And Mike, you're one of the best moderators I've ever seen on a list.
> Thanks for your kindness and thoroughness! And thanks to all of you for
> inspiring me to go ahead and make some colloidal silver for myself!
>
> To good health for one and all! Cheers!
>
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RE: CS>PPM, Lyme
1 ppm should be enough. If you drink 18 times as much of 1 ppm then you have ingested the equivalent of 18 ppm. Every talks as if ppm is the key. Amount and ppm should always be stated together to convey any meaningful information. The doctor always tells me how many pills per day when he proscribes meds. Of course he knows the meds. strength. Strength plus amount = recommended dosage per day. Best Regards, Robert Ratliff -Original Message- From: Marsha Hallett [mailto:liah...@pacbell.net] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 11:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>PPM, Lyme > Hi all. 2 questions. One very basic...what does parts per million actually > mean? And, for example, is 18 ppm smaller or larger particles of silver than > 5 for example? Also, what do you think of 5 ppm for lyme? > > Thanks, > > Christy Dear Christy, It means so many parts of silver per parts of distilled water; 18 PPM is 18 parts of silver to a million parts of water. 5 PPM in my opinion isn`t enough. You have to have enough to go all over the body, nailing the nasty little bugs... Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>New to List
Im saying hello again, as I never got a response to my original post. What a way to greet a new poster. I would be nice if someone responded, even if it were to say they didnt know the answer. -Original Message- From: Jeannie Kiefer [mailto:jean...@karlster.com] Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 11:42 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>New to List Hi to all... I just subscribed to this list because I found colloidal silver (again). A few years ago I was diagnosed with Lyme Disease, after spending 3 years being misdiagnosed and almost crippled. After finally receiving antibiotic therapy and my body not tolerating such after a couple of years, I turned to alternative medicine. Several homeopaths and nutritionists had told me about colloidal silver, so I began to do my own investigation on the limited literature available at the time. I found that it really helped me alot and after about a year, I fell off the wagon (so to speak) because I was feeling pretty good. About 8 months ago, I started slipping again into a stupor, double vision, trouble with speech and gait and once again started on the travails to find out what was wrong. It again is a question mark between MS and CNS Lyme Disease.. I guess my question right now is, if it is MS, will taking the Colloidal Silver hurt me in any way. Does anyone know anything about this? Thank you and good health to all of you, Jeannie
RE: CS>New to List
hi jeannie I am new also. I don't know much but I am glad you had good results. I have a friend with chronic lyme. Is your that way also? Anyhow just didn't want you to feel so all alone... here. wayne realw...@webtv.net RealWort's Instant Pager
Re: CS>New to List
Welcome Jeannie, > Jeannie wrote: > Hi to all... I just subscribed to this list because I found colloidal > silver (again). A few years ago I was diagnosed with Lyme Disease, > after spending 3 years being misdiagnosed and almost crippled. After > finally receiving antibiotic therapy and my body not tolerating such > after a couple of years, I turned to alternative medicine. Several > homeopaths and nutritionists had told me about colloidal silver, so I > began to do my own investigation on the limited literature available > at the time. > > > > I found that it really helped me alot and after about a year, I fell > off the wagon (so to speak) because I was feeling pretty good. About > 8 months ago, I started slipping again into a stupor, double vision, > trouble with speech and gait and once again started on the travails to > find out what was wrong. I'm not familiar with symptoms of Lyme disease. Are these a part of the symptoms? > It again is a question mark between MS and CNS Lyme Disease.. I guess > my question right now is, if it is MS, will taking the Colloidal > Silver hurt me in any way. Does anyone know anything about this? I don't think it will hurt you and it could help. There are many who take CS who also have Lyme Disease. I'd like to ask if in the past or even now have you ingested aspartame/Nutrasweet? We recently had a discussion about MS symptoms and aspartame. I'm sorry you didn't get answers to your questions. I'm glad you are here anyway because someone may have experienced similar problems as you have and may be able to be of help to you. Diane -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> HVAC
- Original Message - From: > Ivan: > > You said, > > "If one strikes an arc in moist air (as found above a body of water), > ozone and nitric acid are formed." > > During sputtering I smell virtually no ozone. I am interested in your idea > about nitric acid though. I may submit a sample for analysis. But before I > do, I'd like you to tell me the difference in taste between my HVAC CS with a > pH of 4 or so, and a sample of laboratory grade nitric acid made to pH ~4. If > you agree to a taste test, I'll submit my HVAC CS for nitric acid analysis. The fact that you have generated an arc necessarily means that you have ionised the air. This can be achieved by as little as 50 V. By ionising air you are creating ozone. Whether you can smell it or not is not a reliable guage of its production or concentration. It is a fact that the biggest problem that faces ozone generators using undried atmospheric air is the production of nitric acid. I have no desire to experience the taste of dilute nitric acid :-b Whether you test for nitric acid is up to you. > Then you said, > > "If you use silver electrodes the silver will be sputtered as silver ions and > silver oxide." > > I'm afraid I'll have to disagree here as well. It can be demonstrated quite > easily that silver oxide is unstable at sputtering temperatures. As far a > producing silver ions in the arc goes, I have not run across any evidence > that an electropotential that is barely high enough to ionize air, is > anywhere near the electropotential required to ionize silver. If you have > some data that confirms the production of silver ions at ~10,000 volts please > pass it along. The 1st ionization potential of silver (7.576 eV) is less than that of oxygen (13.618 eV). Yes, silver oxide is unstable at >150 degC, but the silver oxide which contacts the water is from then on stable. Furthermore, "The pH of silver colloids should fall between 6.5 and 8 because increasing amounts of silver oxide will appear as the pH of the solution falls below 6.5 and silver oxide is a less effective bactericide than pure silver." (The Silver Institute). > And finally you said, > > "The ozone will most likely become H2O2 where it reacts with water,..." > > Oh boy, I know I'm on thin ice now, but I'm not likely to agree with you here > as well. I sampled a very small amount of 3% H2O2 in my mouth a few weeks > ago. A very ugly experience. Again, my HVAC CS tastes a lot like water. So > how much H2O2 could I have made, particularly when I never smelled any ozone > in the first place? I don't know Roger. I answered Bob's question about what might be causing such a high conductivity reading with a comparatively low silver content. Something is also causing the low pH (assuming he started with ~pH7 water), I suggest that H2O2 and nitric acid may be contributing factors. BTW, I regularly use 3% H2O2 to clean my teeth ;-) > Roger Regards, Ivan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver Electrodes touching sides/bottom
Hi List, There can be a downside to letting electrodes touch the glass. It can plate out onto the glass and the next time you use the vessel, the plating can allow some of the current to flow from the electrodes to the plated portions which will then provide a current path and that will reduce the current flow between the electrodes. The result is you won't get as strong CS as you had thought. Best to clean the plating off the glass before using the vessel again or use a new one every once in a while. You can clean the plating off your vessel with 3% hydrogen peroxide. Trem www.silvergen.com At 01:50 PM 6/4/00 -0400, you wrote: - Original Message - From: "Nina Silver, Ph.D." To: Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 11:51 AM Subject: Re: CS>Silver Electrodes touching sides/bottom > > People, > No one has yet answered WHY it is necessary to prevent the electrodes from > touching the sides or the bottom. To reiterate, My electrodes touch the > sides of the pyrex glass container in which I make my CS, and the silver > comes out just fine. > > Nina ] There is, or should be no effect from electrodes touching the bottom of the container as long as the container is glass or plastic and is non-conductive. With your pyrex container, it is totally a non-issue! BillB > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Silver Electrodes touching sides/bottom
Hi Ted, Well what I actually meant to say was it could plate out on the sides of the vessel if the electrodes lay against the glass or are near it. It has sometimes caused me a bit of confusion when the CS wasn't as strong as I had thought it should be. I really don't know about the conductivity of the stuff that falls to the bottom of the vessel. Our electrodes are an inch or so off the bottom so plating doesn't occur there very often. It is mostly on the sides and for sure that can influence current flow. As far as the vessel you're using, it might be that no plating occurs because of its smoothness or something I'm not aware of. But it will definitely plate onto glass. I have seen it many times. Usually under long process times. Trem www.silvergen.com -0700, you wrote: I use a vision ware pot and the electrodes touch the bottom, I have used this same pot for the past four years, the meter I use for testing PPM shows between 4 to 6 PPM each time, so I cannot agree with the following statement. Blessings Ted Trem wrote: > Hi List, > > There can be a downside to letting electrodes touch the glass. It can > plate out onto the glass and the next time you use the vessel, the plating > can allow some of the current to flow from the electrodes to the plated > portions which will then provide a current path and that will reduce the > current flow between the electrodes. The result is you won't get as strong > CS as you had thought. Best to clean the plating off the glass before > using the vessel again or use a new one every once in a while. > > You can clean the plating off your vessel with 3% hydrogen peroxide. > > Trem > www.silvergen.com > > At 01:50 PM 6/4/00 -0400, you wrote: > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Nina Silver, Ph.D." > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 11:51 AM > >Subject: Re: CS>Silver Electrodes touching sides/bottom > > > > > > > > > > People, > > > No one has yet answered WHY it is necessary to prevent the electrodes from > > > touching the sides or the bottom. To reiterate, My electrodes touch the > > > sides of the pyrex glass container in which I make my CS, and the silver > > > comes out just fine. > > > > > > Nina > >] > > There is, or should be no effect from electrodes touching the bottom of the > >container as long as > > the container is glass or plastic and is non-conductive. With your pyrex > >container, it is totally > > a non-issue! > > > >BillB > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > >
