CS>ACCIDENTAL POST

[Brooks Bradley]

My sincere apologies to the list membership.  I
inadvertently sent my personal response to Alvin Roseto the main
list.
Brooks Bradley.


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CS>Unidentified subject!

[nan]

Hi,

Can anyone tell me about bentonite?

Thank you  

nan

CS>Fw: CS>Question: too much cs

[nan]

Hi,
 Can anyone comment on these  two situations?
Thank you,

nan
- Original Message -
From: nan
To: csh...@farmerstel.com
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Question: too much cs


i can relate to that.  i've had a little tightness in my chest.  But i have
energy, don;t feel sick.  i can cough up something, only if i try.
i am still blowing some but not a lot.  it is still mostly clear.
i do have drainage but no sore throat.  My ears are itchy and very dry.
Feel like they may be trying to open up or heal.  But they are not stopped
up.  i have had a shooting pain in one or the other of them a few times.  i
have a feeling deep in my ear, sometimes when i swallow also.
  - Original Message -
  From: Connie
  To: nan
  Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 8:40 PM
  Subject: RE: CS>Question: too much cs


  since last tuesday i have had a tighness in my chest. very unconfortable
at times.  was being to think it was pnemonia. this am I started coughing
some phlegm up and nose was really full when i firt got up. chest has not
hurt today but do have drainage running down back of throat, also have a
slight sore throat and maybe a stopped up ear, you know like it feels like
something is in my ear when i swallow
-Original Message-
From: nan [mailto:n...@wingnet.net]
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 11:25 AM
To: Connie
Subject: Fw: CS>Question: too much cs



- Original Message -
From: ol...@aol.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Question: too much cs


Judy:
I don't think you are taking too much, but I'm not the expert here.
I had a similar experience a couple of weeks ago. I consumed more than
you at first. I think around 2 or 3 ounces 3 times a day increasing a little
each day but not more than 5 to 6 ounces.
I felt like I was getting the flu or a heavy cold. I had heavy sinus
'junk' I coughed up a little phlegm but not much. My chest felt heavy for a
spell but all is OK now.
I didn't really get down as I worked every day with sufficient energy.
My guess is that I had the HERX reaction. But again, I'm not the expert.
My wife started taking a couple of teaspoons late yesterday and said she
had to keep 'clearing' her throat. I had that two, but not now.
Keep in touch, maybe others will contribute similar experiences.
I posted my questions about this reaction on the list but received NO
replies.
Thom

Re: CS>Some airbrush comments

[Dean T. Miller]

On Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:48:07 -0700, "James Osbourne, Holmes"
 wrote:

>When I tried to price small simple inexpensive O2 regulators from local
>medical supply companies they treated me like I was trying to buy morphine.
>I have heard they are available on the net, but don't have anymore info.

http://www.weldingsupply.com/ has medical O2 regulators for $55.20 (D,
E and H tank sizes).


-- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF


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Re: CS>Request

[Brooks Bradley]

Dear Alvin,
I mailed the package on December 7, 2001, at 1:oo p.m.  The
Customs
Label # is CP951809193US.  It was mailed at the Alvarado, Texas Post Office.
Sincerely,  Brooks.
Alvin Rose wrote:

> HI Brooks
> Thanks for the message on the silver list
> I didn't receive the package you sent out.
> Please advise how it was sent and the date
> I will check it on this end..Sorry to hear you
> are having troubles with your computer as it can
> create a problem with valuable information lost.
> Wishing you and the Silver List a Merry Christmas and
> a happy new year...Colloidal Silver is still the
> best thing for 2002.
> Alvin
>
>   I have just...todaygotten my PC system cleaned and back
> up.  It was necessary to purge everything in my mail systems and during
> the process I lost all of my mail archives---for both mailers.  The net
> result was I have lost all of my mail records for the past six
> months..both inand out.
>  Recently, I mailed some benign...but importantchemical
> to Alan Rose in Canada.  If anyone on the list happens to have his email
> address I would be more than appreciative for same.
>  Alan, if you are listening...please send it to me.  I am
> most anxious to see if you have received my promised mailing.
>   Since my ISP mail back-up contained over 1500 messages, I
> have been rather busy editing this evening.
>  "She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed" (wife), daily reminds me I need
> a 24 hour keeper and should not be allowed to mix with the more
> "Web-Literate" young folk...such as frequent this list.  Obstinance
> being my principal claim to intellectual substance..I refuse to
> surrender this last vestige of personality announcing my worth to the
> planet.
>  Additionally, since destiny may not grant me another
> Christmaspast this oneI hope list protocol will indulge my
> wishing each of you only the most joyous experiences during this holiday
> season.
>  Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.
>
> ***
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RE: CS>Some airbrush comments

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

No compelling reason at all that I am aware of.  Brooks Bradley's group says
they measured the particle size of the airbrush aerosol and said it was
smaller that that produced by any nebulizer they tested.I heard of one
nebulizer -it was on this list--- that makes a colloid that behaves like
smoke;  that must be a pretty fine aerosol.  I wonder if BB's group tested
that one? Smaller should mean better passage into the alveoli.  Don't use
one that makes steam;  it distills the sol and leaves the Ag behind.

I get a kick out of watching people be cured with the simplest stuff.  The
airbrush will work where there is no electricity.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: Leo Regehr [mailto:leoel...@telusplanet.net]
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 3:08 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Some airbrush comments

Why not use a nebulizer from a pharmacy store?
Leo
  _

"James Osbourne, Holmes" wrote:
Hi Terry and everyone,
I have used only O2.  It is the same regulator used for a shop welding rig.
They cost about 100 SDRs.  Prestolite is a commonly available brand.  Any
regulator RATED FOR USE WITH OXYGEN in the correct pressure range may be
used.  Oxygen regulators must be hydrocarbon lubricant free; grease or oil
will burn explosively in a pure O2 atmosphere.  The pressure works best in
the +/- 20 PSI range.  Bear in mind; the regulator is not is "approved"  for
medical use. All bottled O2 is USP grade. I think the "R" size tank is the
best compromise of portability and easy handling vs time of use per bottle.
You may purchase or lease from your local welding supply company.  Here, a
refill costs about 10 clams.
Of course medical regulators may be used.  Some have a L/min gauge.  Not
necessary; you just adjust the pressure so that the airbrush works well; you
are not concerned about the O2 actual delivered amount except with a
newborn.  Then COMPETNENT MEDICAL EXPERTISE IS NECESSARY; a bit too much O2
and the baby can be made permanently blind due to oxidation of components of
the retina.
When I tried to price small simple inexpensive O2 regulators from local
medical supply companies they treated me like I was trying to buy morphine.
I have heard they are available on the net, but don't have anymore info.
The most complicated part is any adapters you need from the output of the
regulator to fit the input of the airbrush.  Take your bits and pieces to
the welding supply and they will be able to fabricate or order the correct
fittings. They cost less than 5 in most instances.  The assembly is simple
and obvious.  If it fits, screw it together.  If it does not, seek an
adapter. Be gentle; the threads are fine.  Fingers tighten to be certain the
connection is not cross threaded before applying a preferably non-crushing
and non-toothed tool.  Dish soap and water will reveal leaks at any joint.
Be careful with wrenches; you have a lot of leverage in the small fittings.
You know the joint is approaching tight enough when the torque sensation
rises abruptly.  Tighten lightly, and bubble the joint, tightening more only
if necessary.  Make sure that the tools are stored with the kit.  Put the
whole kit in a easy-to-carry container.  Hard-shell is harder to carry but
better for situations that may require rough handling.  Are any state mil
guys listening?
The airbrush has only one adjustment.  It is possible by tweaking the
pressure and that venturi adjustment until no spray or mist is seen, but
holding the airbrush a couple of inches from your hand reveals moisture
accumulation.  I presume that is when it is making the smallest particles.
Of course the spray can be made coarser and the device used to spray
external areas.  It is probably a waste to use 02 for that purpose, but
there may be some benefit of the O2 getting into solution and there
certainly is little likelihood of harm.
The enameled steel lid of the airbrush's glass containers react with the
sol.  The turns dirty yellow in a short period of storage therein.  Do not
store the sol in them.  I am looking for HDPE or other acceptable
replacements.  Choices abound in Lab supply catalogs.  The airbrush is
fasten to the lid with a nut and washer, and can be easily transferred to a
plastic lid that is not too thick.The little tube from the airbrush can
be shortened or replace with a longer tube to reach the bottom of the
bottle.
If using a compressed air source, even a bicycle pump, ONE SHOULD TAKE INTO
ACCOUNT THE PRESENCE OF OIL IN THE PUMP, be it hand or machine powered.
Those living in LA will probably not notice the difference.  Oil-less is
best, or if a manual pump, perhaps replacing the leather cup on the piston
with a new one lubricated with a food oil will be good practice.  In a pinch
you could make a usable leather cup from available articles.  Just
disassemble the pump and look at the cup.  Surplus sources often sell used
oil less pumps.  A lab or dental vacuum pump may be used as a pressure pump.
Anyone handling

RE: CS>Some airbrush comments

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

"Just CS?  or with DMSO or MSM?  If so what ratio?"


Any of the above.  I do not know the optimum ratios.  Brooks Bradley has
some stuff in the archives on various mixes.  I mix MSM into the CS at room
temp until no more will dissolve and decant the supernant...(prestige jargon
for pour off the liquid and leave the un dissolved crystals in the mixing
container).
As when sucking anything, it helps to form your lips into a circle.  Leave a
space for air around the tip (of the airbrush).  I don't think it outputs
enough to match your vital capacity.



James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: Jim Meissner [mailto:jpmeiss...@mindspring.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 1:42 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Some airbrush comments

Dear James-Osbourne:

Got the airbrush, got the O2 tank and welding regulator, working on the
adaptor.

What to spray? Just CS?  or with DMSO or MSM?  If so what ratio?

Any breathing tricks?

Thanks

Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner
Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com
Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving
your life and health.
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Re: CS>Some airbrush comments

[Leo Regehr]

Why not use a nebulizer from a pharmacy store?
Leo
  

"James Osbourne, Holmes" wrote:

> Hi Terry and everyone,
>
> I have used only O2.  It is the same regulator used for a shop welding rig.
> They cost about 100 SDRs.  Prestolite is a commonly available brand.  Any
> regulator RATED FOR USE WITH OXYGEN in the correct pressure range may be
> used.  Oxygen regulators must be hydrocarbon lubricant free; grease or oil
> will burn explosively in a pure O2 atmosphere.  The pressure works best in
> the +/- 20 PSI range.  Bear in mind; the regulator is not is "approved"  for
> medical use. All bottled O2 is USP grade. I think the "R" size tank is the
> best compromise of portability and easy handling vs time of use per bottle.
> You may purchase or lease from your local welding supply company.  Here, a
> refill costs about 10 clams.
>
> Of course medical regulators may be used.  Some have a L/min gauge.  Not
> necessary; you just adjust the pressure so that the airbrush works well; you
> are not concerned about the O2 actual delivered amount except with a
> newborn.  Then COMPETNENT MEDICAL EXPERTISE IS NECESSARY; a bit too much O2
> and the baby can be made permanently blind due to oxidation of components of
> the retina.
>
> When I tried to price small simple inexpensive O2 regulators from local
> medical supply companies they treated me like I was trying to buy morphine.
> I have heard they are available on the net, but don't have anymore info.
>
> The most complicated part is any adapters you need from the output of the
> regulator to fit the input of the airbrush.  Take your bits and pieces to
> the welding supply and they will be able to fabricate or order the correct
> fittings. They cost less than 5 in most instances.  The assembly is simple
> and obvious.  If it fits, screw it together.  If it does not, seek an
> adapter. Be gentle; the threads are fine.  Fingers tighten to be certain the
> connection is not cross threaded before applying a preferably non-crushing
> and non-toothed tool.  Dish soap and water will reveal leaks at any joint.
> Be careful with wrenches; you have a lot of leverage in the small fittings.
> You know the joint is approaching tight enough when the torque sensation
> rises abruptly.  Tighten lightly, and bubble the joint, tightening more only
> if necessary.  Make sure that the tools are stored with the kit.  Put the
> whole kit in a easy-to-carry container.  Hard-shell is harder to carry but
> better for situations that may require rough handling.  Are any state mil
> guys listening?
>
> The airbrush has only one adjustment.  It is possible by tweaking the
> pressure and that venturi adjustment until no spray or mist is seen, but
> holding the airbrush a couple of inches from your hand reveals moisture
> accumulation.  I presume that is when it is making the smallest particles.
>
> Of course the spray can be made coarser and the device used to spray
> external areas.  It is probably a waste to use 02 for that purpose, but
> there may be some benefit of the O2 getting into solution and there
> certainly is little likelihood of harm.
>
> The enameled steel lid of the airbrush's glass containers react with the
> sol.  The turns dirty yellow in a short period of storage therein.  Do not
> store the sol in them.  I am looking for HDPE or other acceptable
> replacements.  Choices abound in Lab supply catalogs.  The airbrush is
> fasten to the lid with a nut and washer, and can be easily transferred to a
> plastic lid that is not too thick.The little tube from the airbrush can
> be shortened or replace with a longer tube to reach the bottom of the
> bottle.
>
> If using a compressed air source, even a bicycle pump, ONE SHOULD TAKE INTO
> ACCOUNT THE PRESENCE OF OIL IN THE PUMP, be it hand or machine powered.
> Those living in LA will probably not notice the difference.  Oil-less is
> best, or if a manual pump, perhaps replacing the leather cup on the piston
> with a new one lubricated with a food oil will be good practice.  In a pinch
> you could make a usable leather cup from available articles.  Just
> disassemble the pump and look at the cup.  Surplus sources often sell used
> oil less pumps.  A lab or dental vacuum pump may be used as a pressure pump.
>
> Anyone handling compressed gasses should LEARN CORRECT HANDLING, STORAGE AND
> TRANSPORTATION PRACTICES for these substances.  Your local welding shop
> probably has free handouts, or can let you copy their regulations.  Don't
> just stand the bottle up on a floor or table.  Sooner or later you will tip
> it over.  Get a carrier with feet, or strap the bottle to a table leg with
> something.  O2 can cause the combustion of virtually anything to accelerate
> explosively.  Once in the space shuttle, at 16 PSI pure O2, a crew members
> hand caught on fire.  Not his glove, his hand.  If a bottle simply falls
> over, it can break the regulator.  Worse case, t

Re: CS>Some airbrush comments

[Jim Meissner]

Dear James-Osbourne:

Got the airbrush, got the O2 tank and welding regulator, working on the
adaptor.

What to spray? Just CS?  or with DMSO or MSM?  If so what ratio?

Any breathing tricks?

Thanks

Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner
Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com
Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving
your life and health.
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Re: CS>Request

[J.M. Mitchell,Jr.]

BROOKS:  I am sure that I speak for all;  it is good to have to back on
line.  Merry Christmas and many more to you!

Joe Mitchell

Brooks Bradley wrote:
> 
> I have just...todaygotten my PC system cleaned and back
> up.  It was necessary to purge everything in my mail systems and during
> the process I lost all of my mail archives---for both mailers.  The net
> result was I have lost all of my mail records for the past six
> months..both inand out.
> Recently, I mailed some benign...but importantchemical
> to Alan Rose in Canada.  If anyone on the list happens to have his email
> address I would be more than appreciative for same.
> Alan, if you are listening...please send it to me.  I am
> most anxious to see if you have received my promised mailing.
>  Since my ISP mail back-up contained over 1500 messages, I
> have been rather busy editing this evening.
> "She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed" (wife), daily reminds me I need
> a 24 hour keeper and should not be allowed to mix with the more
> "Web-Literate" young folk...such as frequent this list.  Obstinance
> being my principal claim to intellectual substance..I refuse to
> surrender this last vestige of personality announcing my worth to the
> planet.
> Additionally, since destiny may not grant me another
> Christmaspast this oneI hope list protocol will indulge my
> wishing each of you only the most joyous experiences during this holiday
> season.
> Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.
> 
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CS>Some airbrush comments

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

Hi Terry and everyone,

I have used only O2.  It is the same regulator used for a shop welding rig.
They cost about 100 SDRs.  Prestolite is a commonly available brand.  Any
regulator RATED FOR USE WITH OXYGEN in the correct pressure range may be
used.  Oxygen regulators must be hydrocarbon lubricant free; grease or oil
will burn explosively in a pure O2 atmosphere.  The pressure works best in
the +/- 20 PSI range.  Bear in mind; the regulator is not is "approved"  for
medical use. All bottled O2 is USP grade. I think the "R" size tank is the
best compromise of portability and easy handling vs time of use per bottle.
You may purchase or lease from your local welding supply company.  Here, a
refill costs about 10 clams.

Of course medical regulators may be used.  Some have a L/min gauge.  Not
necessary; you just adjust the pressure so that the airbrush works well; you
are not concerned about the O2 actual delivered amount except with a
newborn.  Then COMPETNENT MEDICAL EXPERTISE IS NECESSARY; a bit too much O2
and the baby can be made permanently blind due to oxidation of components of
the retina.

When I tried to price small simple inexpensive O2 regulators from local
medical supply companies they treated me like I was trying to buy morphine.
I have heard they are available on the net, but don't have anymore info.

The most complicated part is any adapters you need from the output of the
regulator to fit the input of the airbrush.  Take your bits and pieces to
the welding supply and they will be able to fabricate or order the correct
fittings. They cost less than 5 in most instances.  The assembly is simple
and obvious.  If it fits, screw it together.  If it does not, seek an
adapter. Be gentle; the threads are fine.  Fingers tighten to be certain the
connection is not cross threaded before applying a preferably non-crushing
and non-toothed tool.  Dish soap and water will reveal leaks at any joint.
Be careful with wrenches; you have a lot of leverage in the small fittings.
You know the joint is approaching tight enough when the torque sensation
rises abruptly.  Tighten lightly, and bubble the joint, tightening more only
if necessary.  Make sure that the tools are stored with the kit.  Put the
whole kit in a easy-to-carry container.  Hard-shell is harder to carry but
better for situations that may require rough handling.  Are any state mil
guys listening?

The airbrush has only one adjustment.  It is possible by tweaking the
pressure and that venturi adjustment until no spray or mist is seen, but
holding the airbrush a couple of inches from your hand reveals moisture
accumulation.  I presume that is when it is making the smallest particles.

Of course the spray can be made coarser and the device used to spray
external areas.  It is probably a waste to use 02 for that purpose, but
there may be some benefit of the O2 getting into solution and there
certainly is little likelihood of harm.

The enameled steel lid of the airbrush's glass containers react with the
sol.  The turns dirty yellow in a short period of storage therein.  Do not
store the sol in them.  I am looking for HDPE or other acceptable
replacements.  Choices abound in Lab supply catalogs.  The airbrush is
fasten to the lid with a nut and washer, and can be easily transferred to a
plastic lid that is not too thick.The little tube from the airbrush can
be shortened or replace with a longer tube to reach the bottom of the
bottle.

If using a compressed air source, even a bicycle pump, ONE SHOULD TAKE INTO
ACCOUNT THE PRESENCE OF OIL IN THE PUMP, be it hand or machine powered.
Those living in LA will probably not notice the difference.  Oil-less is
best, or if a manual pump, perhaps replacing the leather cup on the piston
with a new one lubricated with a food oil will be good practice.  In a pinch
you could make a usable leather cup from available articles.  Just
disassemble the pump and look at the cup.  Surplus sources often sell used
oil less pumps.  A lab or dental vacuum pump may be used as a pressure pump.

Anyone handling compressed gasses should LEARN CORRECT HANDLING, STORAGE AND
TRANSPORTATION PRACTICES for these substances.  Your local welding shop
probably has free handouts, or can let you copy their regulations.  Don't
just stand the bottle up on a floor or table.  Sooner or later you will tip
it over.  Get a carrier with feet, or strap the bottle to a table leg with
something.  O2 can cause the combustion of virtually anything to accelerate
explosively.  Once in the space shuttle, at 16 PSI pure O2, a crew members
hand caught on fire.  Not his glove, his hand.  If a bottle simply falls
over, it can break the regulator.  Worse case, the fitting at the top of the
bottle can break off, creating a bottle rocket effect and causing a fire
hazard at the same time.

This simple device replaces thousands of dollars of medical equipment and
drugs, and works better.  There are, no doubt, some contraindications that
will be proposed.  I haven't

RE: CS>Product Consistency

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

"It's too simple to regulate the activity. Silver itself will always be a
legal substance...might as well outlaw iron.  So all they can do is
regulate the names."

Not so.  It was until recently as that history goes, it was illegal to
privately possess gold in the United States and the penalties were severe.
. If they can make a common weed illegal to possess, they can make anything
illegal to possess. It is now illegal in the United states to possess iron,
in certain forms.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coy...@alltel.net]
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 7:29 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Product Consistency

  The FDA has only one level of approval. "Proven safe and effective" or
"Not proven safe and effective" [which doesn't mean that it's not safe or
ineffective..it's just not proven to be otherwise]
 The difference lies in the approved proof, that being triple blind studies
costing millions. A million testimonies don't matter to them without the
triple blind study and the FDA doesn't do studies.
 A grass roots movement hasn't the money. On the other hand, a grass roots
movement doesn't care what the FDA says and does what it wants to while
calling it whatever the lawyers want them to call it. What's in a name?

 It's too simple to regulate the activity. Silver itself will always be a
legal substance...might as well outlaw iron.  So all they can do is
regulate the names.
 A war of words. An attempt to control concepts.
But people have this nasty tendency to have their own ideas and do what
works no matter what.
 If the ideas are valid, eventually they spread as an undercurrent to
envelope the whole culture leaving the nay sayers to piss in the wind.
 Once upon a time chiropractors were witch doctors. Accupuncture was magick.

 The monster creates the back that things go on behind while people
'Babble-on'.
 The change in landscape goes unnoticed till it becomes overwhelmingly
there to trip on.
Ken

At 10:42 AM 12/21/01 -0600, you wrote:

 I have some questions regarding consistency in making colloidal silver but
first tell me this. If CS is as good as we think it is, why can't we
demonstrate the results to the FDA and get their approval on some level at
least. If they approve of it for any purpose at any level then in order to
keep their approval, wouldn't consistency be a major concern? Is the
INCONSISTENCY the real reason they won't approve it? Almost every person
who makes CS has their own little quirks that they say makes their's better
or stronger or purer. Some stir others don't. Some regulate current and
voltage some don't. In my opinion, it would be acceptable if the generators
cost a lot more than they do AS LONG AS the end product was the same
regardless who made it. It seems as though we act like a covey of quails
and go off in all directions with our methods. Isn't there some way to
decide once and for all the exact method to make it so it will be a
consistent quality and purity? If we could accomplish that, it seems to me
that the FDA might be more inclined to look seriously at it. Just some
thoughts from
 Wildwood

 ---Original Message---


From: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Friday, December 21, 2001 10:23:16 AM
 To: Silver List
 Subject: Re: CS>CS & Spa

 ** Kathy,
 NO!! Keep them coming! There's gotta' be more people like us on the list!
Maybe they're just timid and sitting back reading, hoping for answers.
 As I read your posts, I enjoy the fact there is someone here who maintains
my level of CS knowledge. DON'T STOP ASKING QUESTIONS.
 Even though I've been messin' around with CS for a couple years, it hasn't
been a continual study, so my understanding, deep does not go ;-)
 Marilyn~~

 < I apologize if the list feels I am asking too many questions or if the
questions  are dumb or simple.

Thank You,
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RE: CS>FDA approval

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

My scale:  1, 2, 3, heap, zillion.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com]
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 7:37 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>FDA approval

Opps, that should have been billion and million, not trillion and billion.
I
need to take a break!

Marshall

Marshall Dudley wrote:

> Actually half a billion is low. Do the math, $10,000,000 times 650 (thats
> right you have to submit and test each application separately) =
> 6,500,000,000 or 6 trillion 500 billion dollars. I was assuming only $1
> million per submission and test, although about 10:1 too low.
>
> Marshall
>
> Marshall
>
> Terry Chamberlin wrote:
>
> > "No one has offered to put up the $500,000,000 to get
> > it done."
> >
> > Give me a break! $500 million? That's ridiculous, I
> > could get it done for a measly $10-20 million.
> >
> > If I've told you once, I've told a billion times not
> > to exaggerate.
> >
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Re: CS>Question: too much cs - Herxheimer revisited

[David & Judy Dufresne]

Jason,
   Thanks for this great info.
Judy


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Re: CS>Introduction / limiting use

[Jason / AVRA]

Wayne/Kevin:

Thank you for the kind words.



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CS>Question: Too much cs

[David & Judy Dufresne]

"You have a cold. You aren`t getting enough CS! Take 3 big swallows, at least a 
cupful total a day, see if that`ll help."
 
 OK, Marshalee,
 Bottoms Up!! Thanks,
   Judy

CS>Question: too much cs - Herxheimer revisited

[Jason / AVRA]

Greetings, All!

The herxheimer reaction, or the Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction, was first 
"medically" recognized in the treatment of Syphilis, and later recognized in 
the treatment of lyme disease.  It is generally thought that the herx 
reaction occurs  due to the release of endo-toxics as the result of 
antibiotics killing off certain types of bacteria.


As medically documented in some cases of Syphilis, symptoms last for 24 
hours.  Other cases show that the herxheimer reaction can last through the 
entire treatment.  The herx reaction occurs anywhere from 2-6 hours to 24 
hours  from the start of treatment.


A review of the medical information clearly reveals that the medical 
profession doesn't really know what it is talking about.


However, through observations on the treatment of Arthritis ( center for 
arthritis in Riverside ), a true idea of what the herx reaction is starts to 
crystallize:


"We have noticed that initially patients may worsen. This is caused by a 
Herxheimer reaction. This is due to an increase in circulating bacterial 
particles and toxins, which promote an antigenic reaction that produces an 
intense inflammatory response. This provokes increased arthralgias, 
myalgias, depression, fatigue, and poor memory."


To truly understand the Herx reaction, one must realize that when any "die 
off" occurs in the body in great numbers, the conditions of the body are 
changed.  In some cases, certain forms of bacteria are going to temporarily 
thrive. The toxins released are going to have an impact on the immune 
system.  All in all, the body is temporarily thrown out of balance, and 
needs to go through a period of adjustment.


If one "formally" defines a herx reaction as endo-toxin release as the 
result of bacterial die off, then it is useful to coin another phrase:  The 
exteriorization of an illness.


In other words, a sore throat as the RESULT of a herx reaction is not the 
herx reaction per se...  Rather, it is an exteriorization of an existing 
condition that becomes noticeable due to changes in the conditions of the 
body.


This can happen for several reasons:

1)  The immune system is taxed through the elimination of the toxins, which 
temporarily allows other pre-existing conditions to thrive.


2)  The change in the conditions of the body create conditions that allow 
other infections to thrive, and the immune system needs time to respond.


3)  Any toxic reaction in the body stimulates the body's elimination system; 
the body begins to flush itself out, which can result in the "bacterial 
particles" being released in the body.


In cases where the body is in "worse shape" than the "owner" really 
realized, the herx reaction can fully manifest colds and other illness.  The 
solution is to continue colloidal silver in smaller doses, and endure the 
cold.  As one begins to feel better, it is wise to continue CS use in 
slightly larger doses for a period.  If the reaction is extreme, then one 
may need to cease using the colloidal silver until conditions improve.


Normal herx reactions, in my experience, can be all but eliminated through 
the use of bentonite internally.  However, one must have already been 
acclimated to the use of bentonite!


Conditions can be improved if one drinks plenty of water as well.









From: "David & Judy Dufresne" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: 
Subject: CS>Question: too much cs
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:28:32 -0500

I am getting a cold and sore throat and wonder if I have over done the cs 
as I have just started taking it. I recently read about an effect that 
causes flu like symptoms when someone uses too much cs at first. Could 
someone refresh my memory and if this is what I am feeling, what should I 
do?

Judy





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Re: CS>Question: too much cs

[David & Judy Dufresne]

Thom,
   Thanks for the reply. I know "if a little is good that does not necessarily 
mean a lot is better", but each time I took it my throat felt better so I just 
kept taking it.
   Judy

Re: CS>Question: too much cs

[Marshalee Hallett]

  I am getting a cold and sore throat and wonder if I have over done the cs as 
I have just started taking it. I recently read about an effect that causes flu 
like symptoms when someone uses too much cs at first. Could someone refresh my 
memory and if this is what I am feeling, what should I do?
  Judy

  Dear Judy, You have a cold. You aren`t geting enough CS! Take 3 big swallows, 
at least a cupful total a day, see if that`ll help. You need to saturate the 
tissues with CS at first to nail all the nasties lurking all over...
  Good luck!
  Marshalee

Re: CS>Question: too much cs

[OLMXR]

Judy:
I don't think you are taking too much, but I'm not the expert here.
I had a similar experience a couple of weeks ago. I consumed more than you at 
first. I think around 2 or 3 ounces 3 times a day increasing a little each 
day but not more than 5 to 6 ounces.
I felt like I was getting the flu or a heavy cold. I had heavy sinus 'junk' I 
coughed up a little phlegm but not much. My chest felt heavy for a spell but 
all is OK now. 
I didn't really get down as I worked every day with sufficient energy.
My guess is that I had the HERX reaction. But again, I'm not the expert.
My wife started taking a couple of teaspoons late yesterday and said she had 
to keep 'clearing' her throat. I had that two, but not now.
Keep in touch, maybe others will contribute similar experiences.
I posted my questions about this reaction on the list but received NO 
replies.
Thom

Re: CS>Request Kelp Help

[Brooks Bradley]

Hello Mr. Meissner,
My apologies for not being more specific in that
post.most
especially relating to the "kelp Powder".  The product used must be a
SOLUBLE
powder product.  These are, actually, highly concentrated liquids which
have
been dessicated back to powder form.  11 ounces is, simply, one of the
more
common quantities marketed.  ll ounces of this material will go into
solutionvery rapidly---in one gallon of plain tap water.  The
resulting
concentrate will yield about 240 gallons of "general purpose" solution. 
e.g.
foliar spray, therapeutic level for pet/livestock watering, etc.  This
concentration at 2 fluid ounces per day (for human
volunteers)..proved
superior to any other type of mineral supplement (including fossilized
humus,
montmorillonite clays, shales, etc)..whether in liquid or powdered
form.
The kelp solution concentrate does not.of
itself..require refrigeration.  However, since it is such a powerful
support
medium for bacterial generation-even minor contamination via
bacteria plus
any nutrient form (especially sugar forms)..could result in very
sudden and
exponential blooms.  Therefore, refrigeration would be prudent for the
liquid
concentrate.   Actually, many antagonistic pathogens are subdued in the
presence
of kelp solutions--at these concentrations.
The allusion to Celtic Sea Salt was intended to emphasis
that
only sea solids containing the entire spectrum of salts and trace
elements found
in the "parent" solution of the open oceans.yields all of the
minerals
required by healthy plant and animal forms--both marine, and
terrestrial.
These materials must be harvested following only natural evaporation
conditionsin a very zeric climate (essentially desert type
atmosphere)
..if possible.  The very best materials obtained, came from the Baja
California area.  Small quantities (less than 10,000 pounds) of
unreduced/untreated "sea solids" are quite difficult to obtain from the
one
large firm controlling the salt producing enterprise in this area.
Large natural food stores are the best source for Celtic Sea
Salt.
Additionally, the "coarse" grind is much cheaper..and preferable to
the
"fine" grind.
The 35,000 ppm figure was given because it
is-approximately-the strength level of the solubilized mineral
components in "normal" sea water.
Actually, the most generally used concentration.both
for
animal watering..and plant/soil application, was on the order of
3500 ppm
(roughly, a simple dilution of 10:1 of normal sea water).
To obtain, approximately, a correct concentration in ppm
that
equates to sea water.simply dissolve the Celtic Sea Salt in one
quart of
distilled water-one teaspoon at a time and monitor with any
economical TDS
type meter.
The TDS-1 manufactured by Hanna is quite sufficient for this purpose. 
When the
concentration gets to around 15000 ppm just dilute with about 4 quarts
of
distilled water and you should get a strength reading of around 3700
ppm.
Purists can "trim-out" from there.
 Interestingly, we validated the work of Dr. Maynard
Murrary..relating to pathogenic insults and chickens.  We found it
to be
almost impossible to generate conditions facilitating successful
pathogenic
insult among chickens who were furnished the combination kelp/CS
drinking
water.free choice.  The results were---simply---beyond anything we
had ever
achieved before..from any form of nutritional and/or supplement
support
protocol.  They were achieved at astonishingly low cost levels.
At this writing, we are again in the process of
revisiting
some of our older, previous, experiments utilizing "full spectrum" sea
solids--both in solubilized form...and as "straight-run
crystals" simply
scattered upon the soil surface at concentrations between 1100 and 1500
pounds
per acre.  Although current "academic wisdom" claims the Nacl
constituent (from
such high concentrations) would be lethal to 99% of all terrestrial
plant
forms...we have experienced nothing but SUPERB results from EVERY
tree,
shrub, or flower subjected to this protocol.  Currently, our concensus
is that
it is CRIMINAL.in the extreme.what academia has perpetrated 
upon the
general public (at least in this instance)-whether by design or from
ignorance.
 I hope these embellishments serve to be of some value to you.
Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.

Jim Meissner wrote:

> Dear Group:
>
> Would someone please translate Brooks Bradley's fascinating post about Kelp.
> I am over 60, so I think this may be applicable.
>
> I am guessing thatDoes thi 11 oz of kelp powder is "11 oz. dry weight" mixed
> into 1
> gallon of water?  (It does not like to mix! How do you suggest?) s
> need to be refrigerated after mixing?
>
> Then I would like to make 32 o

Re: CS>Question: too much cs

[David & Judy Dufresne]

Thom,
   I have taken about two teaspoons four or five times a day for the last 2 
days. Now my congestion and sore throat are better but I am feeling very tired 
and achy. Just wondered if it is a progression of the cold or if I have over 
done the cs and should stop for a while.
Judy

Re: CS>Question: too much cs

[OLMXR]

Judy:
How much CS did you or are taking?
Thom

In a message dated 12/22/2001 11:11:27 AM Central Standard Time, 
jdufres...@stny.rr.com writes:

> I am getting a cold and sore throat and wonder if I have over done the cs as 
> I have just started taking it. I recently read about an effect that causes 
> flu like symptoms when someone uses too much cs at first. Could someone 
> refresh my memory and if this is what I am feeling, what should I do?
> Judy
> 

CS>Question: too much cs

[David & Judy Dufresne]

I am getting a cold and sore throat and wonder if I have over done the cs as I 
have just started taking it. I recently read about an effect that causes flu 
like symptoms when someone uses too much cs at first. Could someone refresh my 
memory and if this is what I am feeling, what should I do?
Judy

Re: CS>Introduction / limiting use

[Marilyn Bickell]

Sorry I did not make that clear.   If and when, a bug gets a head start, I 
often down 16 oz in the am and 16 oz in the pm.

** Well, when I see a glowing blue light in the horizon, I will know it is not 
the K-Mart "Blue Light Special.
 ;-)
Marilyn~~

CS>Echinacea

[Marilyn Bickell]

Thanks, Marilyn! What does echinacea do? Think it might help me?

** Marshalee,
Echinacea is an all-around, natural antibiotic ~~ saved me from many an illness 
when my immune system was run down during those stressful school years and too 
many margarita nights.
It's supposed to fight colds, ward off the flu, minor infections, sore throat, 
UTIs, and the list goes on ...
Echinacea is extracted from the purple Coneflower.
I used it in the same way as I do CS now ~~ when needed. Once I started taking 
Echinacea, I didn't get sick once in 6 years. Hmmm, actually, now that I think 
about it, I haven't been sick in ~~ I better not push my luck ~~ knock on 
wood
Marilyn~~

Re: CS>Re: sweeten coffee or tea

[Marilyn Bickell]

Nancy,
I'm curious ~~ what does the powder form of Stevia look like? My husband 
recently bought a "new" sugar that we keep at our cabin; it is light brown, 
seems more course than regular brown sugar, sweet, but not sugary sweet, and 
very good!! Much better than regular sugar.
I'd ask him what it is, but he's still sleeping; a, the joys of retirement.
Marilyn~~

Re: CS>question about purity of CS wires

[Ode Coyote]

 Most .999 silver assays out to .9997 but is sold as .999 because it falls
short of .
Ken

At 12:43 AM 12/22/01 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi;  I'd like to try clarifying this discussion if I can.  The purity of
>refined precious metals such as silver, gold, platinum group, etc., is
>generally stated in terms of parts or percent of silver to other - usually
>metallic - elements in the sample.  For instance .999 fine silver (or gold,
>etc.,) is 99.9% pure silver,  meaning that one tenth of one percent of the
>sample may be something other than pure silver.  It may be gold or copper or
>bismuth or other substances or oxides of these .  generally thisa is also
>commonly referred to as "three nines fine."  The degree of purity can be
either
>higher or lower; for instance there is .99 fine silver which is 99% pure
and so
>has one percent  other than pure silver, or . fine silver which is silver
>with less than one one-hundredth of one percent of another substance mixed in
>with it.  . or four nines silver is also a lot more expensive - I mean a
>LOT - than three nines, at least when bought as wire or other industrial
>forms.  Five nines is also occasionally available and and I was told it is
>surcharged about $300.00 per ounce to commercial accounts, and not to hold my
>breath while waiting for some to become available open market.
>Malcolm
>
>Marshalee Hallett wrote:
>
>> Above .999 comes 100 % pure, not 1%.
>> Marshalee
>>
>> > List,
>> > I would think that the designation regarding the purity of the silver
>> wires,
>> > "99.99% pure," would be correct. Why, then, do I see "." stamped on
>> > silver bullion? Because the next designation is 1.0, and "1.0 % pure"
>> > doesn't make sense. Please explain. (I'm putting this in the Appendix of
>> my
>> > Rife book, and the corrections are being made over the weekend, so I need
>> an
>> > answer FAST!)
>> >
>> > Many thanks.
>> > Nina Silver, no relation
>> >
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Re: CS>Introduction / limiting use

[Ode Coyote]

 Seems it's just too easy to take as much CS as you feel like when you
think about it and it's 'there' and allow forgetfulness to regulate the
"off" periods?
Ken

At 06:30 PM 12/21/01 -0800, you wrote: 

I work in some places that are so dirty and filled with disease, as soon 
as I come out, I drink 8 oz right then.
  
** Wayne,
Shooting down 8 oz. in one day ~~ you MUST be making your own CS. Is anyone
on the list NOT making their own? Am I the only mutineer, scaredy cat? 
You don't seem to be concerned about the amount you take in. I guess my 2
years of on/off research hasn't taught me much. All I learned was, "take it
periodically."
Sigh! so much to learn, so little time.
Marilyn~~






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Re: CS>Product Consistency

[Ode Coyote]

  The FDA has only one level of approval. "Proven safe and effective" or
"Not proven safe and effective" [which doesn't mean that it's not safe or
ineffective..it's just not proven to be otherwise]
 The difference lies in the approved proof, that being triple blind studies
costing millions. A million testimonies don't matter to them without the
triple blind study and the FDA doesn't do studies.
 A grass roots movement hasn't the money. On the other hand, a grass roots
movement doesn't care what the FDA says and does what it wants to while
calling it whatever the lawyers want them to call it. What's in a name?

 It's too simple to regulate the activity. Silver itself will always be a
legal substance...might as well outlaw iron.  So all they can do is
regulate the names.
 A war of words. An attempt to control concepts.
But people have this nasty tendency to have their own ideas and do what
works no matter what.
 If the ideas are valid, eventually they spread as an undercurrent to
envelope the whole culture leaving the nay sayers to piss in the wind.
 Once upon a time chiropractors were witch doctors. Accupuncture was magick.

 The monster creates the back that things go on behind while people
'Babble-on'.
 The change in landscape goes unnoticed till it becomes overwhelmingly
there to trip on.
Ken

At 10:42 AM 12/21/01 -0600, you wrote: 

 I have some questions regarding consistency in making colloidal silver but
first tell me this. If CS is as good as we think it is, why can't we
demonstrate the results to the FDA and get their approval on some level at
least. If they approve of it for any purpose at any level then in order to
keep their approval, wouldn't consistency be a major concern? Is the
INCONSISTENCY the real reason they won't approve it? Almost every person
who makes CS has their own little quirks that they say makes their's better
or stronger or purer. Some stir others don't. Some regulate current and
voltage some don't. In my opinion, it would be acceptable if the generators
cost a lot more than they do AS LONG AS the end product was the same
regardless who made it. It seems as though we act like a covey of quails
and go off in all directions with our methods. Isn't there some way to
decide once and for all the exact method to make it so it will be a
consistent quality and purity? If we could accomplish that, it seems to me
that the FDA might be more inclined to look seriously at it. Just some
thoughts from
 Wildwood
  
 ---Original Message---
  
  
From: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Friday, December 21, 2001 10:23:16 AM
 To: Silver List
 Subject: Re: CS>CS & Spa
  
 ** Kathy,
 NO!! Keep them coming! There's gotta' be more people like us on the list!
Maybe they're just timid and sitting back reading, hoping for answers.
 As I read your posts, I enjoy the fact there is someone here who maintains
my level of CS knowledge. DON'T STOP ASKING QUESTIONS.
 Even though I've been messin' around with CS for a couple years, it hasn't
been a continual study, so my understanding, deep does not go ;-)
 Marilyn~~
  
 < I apologize if the list feels I am asking too many questions or if the
questions  are dumb or simple.

Thank You,
Kathy Neff

  
  
 

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Re: CS>Gotta Brag!

[Marshalee Hallett]

  Marshalee,
  Definitely worth bragging about!!
  Congratulations :o))
  For us elderly types, school is a bit more difficult, especially after taking 
a "few" years off.
  When I finished school in May, I was wiped out!! But sooo glad it was over.
  Those were my Echinacea hootin' days. I lived on it for 3 years.
  Marilyn~~

  Thanks, Marilyn! What does echinacea do? Think it might help me?
  Marshalee

Re: CS>Gotta Brag!

[Marshalee Hallett]

> Congrats on conquering another semester.  Now you have the perfect
> opportunity to track down the BYU profs who have (still are?) researched
CS
> and let us know the latest findings.
> --Steve
Dear Steve, I sent an email to the Professor, but never got an answer. I`ll
check the index and see if I can fine the other guy.
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Re: CS>question about purity of CS wires

[Malcolm Stebbins]

Hi;  I'd like to try clarifying this discussion if I can.  The purity of
refined precious metals such as silver, gold, platinum group, etc., is
generally stated in terms of parts or percent of silver to other - usually
metallic - elements in the sample.  For instance .999 fine silver (or gold,
etc.,) is 99.9% pure silver,  meaning that one tenth of one percent of the
sample may be something other than pure silver.  It may be gold or copper or
bismuth or other substances or oxides of these .  generally thisa is also
commonly referred to as "three nines fine."  The degree of purity can be either
higher or lower; for instance there is .99 fine silver which is 99% pure and so
has one percent  other than pure silver, or . fine silver which is silver
with less than one one-hundredth of one percent of another substance mixed in
with it.  . or four nines silver is also a lot more expensive - I mean a
LOT - than three nines, at least when bought as wire or other industrial
forms.  Five nines is also occasionally available and and I was told it is
surcharged about $300.00 per ounce to commercial accounts, and not to hold my
breath while waiting for some to become available open market.
Malcolm

Marshalee Hallett wrote:

> Above .999 comes 100 % pure, not 1%.
> Marshalee
>
> > List,
> > I would think that the designation regarding the purity of the silver
> wires,
> > "99.99% pure," would be correct. Why, then, do I see "." stamped on
> > silver bullion? Because the next designation is 1.0, and "1.0 % pure"
> > doesn't make sense. Please explain. (I'm putting this in the Appendix of
> my
> > Rife book, and the corrections are being made over the weekend, so I need
> an
> > answer FAST!)
> >
> > Many thanks.
> > Nina Silver, no relation
> >
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