Re: CS>Uh Oh...Blue Fingernails
Water Oz Is a form of silver, the msp or mild silver protein sort - supposedly, I think. . . . . . Some messages on the list have suggested that it really contains silver salts such as the nitrate. It has been implicated by some in several reports of Argyria. One aspect of the Argyria thing is that the silver particles are 'developed' by strong sunshine, turning black just like in a photo. At 01:07 AM 11/3/02 -0600, you wrote: As much as I try to miss nothing on the silver list and did read some of Water Ox and Argyria, could you explain how this occurs. Is it the Water Oz alone or used in conjunction with CS? With regard to the inquiry about Paul's possible to excessive exposure to sun? How does this figure in? Not trying to nit pick, just trying to sort out a common denominatorif possible. Thanks, Barbara - Original Message - From: Jannette McKoy-Abel To: Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 11:07 PM Subject: Re: CS>Uh Oh...Blue Fingernails > I have also heard that Water-Oz Silver has produced Argyria symptoms in a > few of it's users. As a matter of fact, what I heard was that almost all > recent argyria cases from silver supplementation were connected to Water-Oz. > Colloidal IS the way to go for safety. > > Paul, did you recently have any excessive sun exposure? If you did, that > may account for the fact that the "blueness" was so suddenly apparent. > > Go easy on the cs for a while and when you restart, keep it below 1oz for a > while. Even the best things can do harm in excess. > > As a fellow MSer, I empathize with your impatience to be well. Take care of > yourself. > > Blessings, > Jannette > > If I'm not mistaken, someone who was once an active member of this list > > believes she developed argyria from the Water Oz product. Someone here > > may recall the details on this. > > > > Regards, > > Catherine > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 11/1/2002 > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Uh Oh...Blue Fingernails
As much as I try to miss nothing on the silver list and did read some of Water Ox and Argyria, could you explain how this occurs. Is it the Water Oz alone or used in conjunction with CS? With regard to the inquiry about Paul's possible to excessive exposure to sun? How does this figure in? Not trying to nit pick, just trying to sort out a common denominatorif possible. Thanks, Barbara - Original Message - From: Jannette McKoy-Abel To: Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 11:07 PM Subject: Re: CS>Uh Oh...Blue Fingernails > I have also heard that Water-Oz Silver has produced Argyria symptoms in a > few of it's users. As a matter of fact, what I heard was that almost all > recent argyria cases from silver supplementation were connected to Water-Oz. > Colloidal IS the way to go for safety. > > Paul, did you recently have any excessive sun exposure? If you did, that > may account for the fact that the "blueness" was so suddenly apparent. > > Go easy on the cs for a while and when you restart, keep it below 1oz for a > while. Even the best things can do harm in excess. > > As a fellow MSer, I empathize with your impatience to be well. Take care of > yourself. > > Blessings, > Jannette > > If I'm not mistaken, someone who was once an active member of this list > > believes she developed argyria from the Water Oz product. Someone here > > may recall the details on this. > > > > Regards, > > Catherine > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 11/1/2002 > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>cream for dry skin--OT
Roxanne, What do you recommend for a face soap> Thanks! - Original Message - From: Roxanne To: Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 3:47 PM Subject: RE: CS>cream for dry skin--OT > Olive Oil is very good on the skin. I make and castille soap using just all > Olive Oil, I do use a little bit of coconut oil in it, because I don't feel > skin without it. Olive Oil has good mosturizing qualities, and is very > gentle on the skin, and it's cheap. I use Olive Oil in all my Basic Soaps > when I combine three oils. Those are either vegetable oil, olive oil, and > coconut, or lard, vegetable oil, and coconut. I make two basic types of > soap because some people will not use animal fat. I have no qualms about > the animals, they are going to be slaughtered for food anyway, why not use > what we don't eat. I like it because it makes a very creamy, white, hard, > long lasting bar of soap. Vegetable Oil soaps doesn't last as long. A > little Emu Oil in Soap is the best. and the best yet is an entire bar of emu > soap, but couldn't sell it, because of the price it would be. > > Olive Oil in shea butter, you want a light oil, never use Olive Oil, in the > shea butter so I can't tell you. I used almond oil from the health food > store and it was too heavy. It took about 15 minutes for the greasiness to > go away. So I substituted Safflower Oil and it glides on smooth and doesn't > feel greasy. You might want to experiment with it though to get the feel > you want and to incorporate the properties of the different oils. I know > some people are using meadowfoam, somewhat more expensive, but they say it > feels wonderful. > > Do not buy shea butter, or mango butter from the health food store. It is > much cheaper purchased in on the internet. You don't want any refined with > hexane, and you have to ask, if it doesn't say so on the web site. > > Roxanne > > > -Original Message- > From: jrowl...@nctimes.net [mailto:jrowl...@nctimes.net] > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 12:26 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>cream for dry skin > > > Roxanne writes: > > > ...shea butter whipped together with 4 ozs. safflower oil or sunflower oil > > > > ...You can substitute any oil... > > > Having heard the praises of olive oil for skin, just wondering how you'd > rate it for this situation, based on experience or opinion. > Thanks, > jr > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Beta Glucan
I too am interested in the benefits of beta glucan. Help!!%$?
I have been absent from the list and so far behind that I'm afraid I'll never
get caught up though I feel like beta glucan is the key to better health.
Should anyone have the time to bring me up to muster, I would appreciate it. I
had been reading from a multitude of sources, but have a feeling I was getting
more advertising that facts!
Thanks,
Barbara
- Original Message -
From: Robb Allen
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 10:47 PM
Subject: CS>Beta Glucan
Hi all...I just got my beta glucan powder in the mail {thanks
Ivan}.now all I need to know is how to take it..anyone know?..I
guess I should have asked before I got it...duh.Robb
Re: CS>Beta Glucan
Hi Robb; I was told that about 100 milligrams daily, a half hour before
eating for just regular old "I think I'll try this stuff" situations, and
up to 500 milligrams for serious situations where the immune system is
weak. I dunno if the 500 mg dose should be split up or not.
Take care, Malcolm
At 11:47 PM 11/2/02 -0500, you wrote:
Hi all...I just got my beta glucan powder in the mail {thanks
Ivan}.now all I need to know is how to take it..anyone
know?..I guess I should have asked before I got
it...duh.Robb
Re: CS>Reality lives !! / Marshall
And Gaspacho? After all, it's both hot and cold. At 07:40 PM 11/2/02 -0800, you wrote: Either Jack or Marshall or both write: > Likewise soup is neither water, nor nonWater, instead it is partly water. > Does that include vichyssoise? > Ah, but English boullion is both! jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Beta Glucan
Hi all...I just got my beta glucan powder in the mail {thanks Ivan}.now
all I need to know is how to take it..anyone know?..I guess I
should have asked before I got it...duh.Robb
Re: CS>cream for dry skin
On Sat, 02 Nov 2002 19:40:13 -0700, sol wrote:
>I do put vit E in my cream and also a few drops of essential oils, as well.
>I use a clean wooden spatula (different one each time) to scoop out just
>what I need, and so the cream never stays out of the fridge but a moment. I
>haven't heard of the preservatives you mention. Where can I find more info
>about them?
>paula
Vitamin E IS a preservative for fats.
So is ascorbyl palminate (the fat soluble form of vitamin C).
Pearson & Shaw ("Life Extension") were using it for groceries (oils) back in the
seventies.
Chuck
autohypnosis - one method of making an engine stop smoking
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Re: CS>Reality lives !! / Marshall
Either Jack or Marshall or both write: > Likewise soup is neither water, nor nonWater, instead it is partly water. > Does that include vichyssoise? > Ah, but English boullion is both! jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Trem's Story + Testimony
Hi Paul, No has EVER gotten argyria from using our CS. At least we have no report of it and I'm sure we would have had reports. Don't you thinks so too? Trem - Original Message - From: Paul Ladendorf To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 6:27 PM Subject: Re: CS>Trem's Story + Testimony Trem, Thanks for posting that story. I felt better just reading it. Have any of the people you know that were taking large quantities for long periods developed argyria? Now for more good news. Every year in the fall I get bad dandruff. The dryer it gets, the worse my scalp flakes. This year started out no different until I started spraying my scalp with CS. In 2 days the flaking and itching are almost completely gone. Wow! This stuff is great. Paul Trem wrote: Hi List, There's been some discussion about the effectiveness if CS on MS recently. Let me throw one anecdotal story out for those who may want to consider using CS to treat it. Apparently there are two types of MS. One type has bad bouts associated with it and then apparent spontaneous but not quite full recovery. So the bouts are very bad but they do not stay that way. Over time each bout leaves the person a little further down. I have a customer with progressive non remissive type MS (type 2). They go steadily downhill and do not recover. It is a steady slide. This person (female) was an R.N. and was diagnosed about 4 1/2 years ago at age 26. She is now 30. She had deteriorated to the stage of using a walker, was incontinent, was very weak on her left side and had no control of her right foot. She had been unable to work for a few yea! rs. In February 1, 2002 she started taking CS made with one of our units. She started at 32 ounces a day. She reduced that amount after 6 weeks to 16 ounces a day because she was experiencing what she considered a recovery. She regained the strength on her left side, her right foot became completely usable, she stopped using the walker and her incontinence went away except for an occasional slip. She then returned to work as a nurse. She has been on the same regimen since then except she says she began to backslide occasionally and forget to take the CS, thinking it wasn't necessary because she felt so good or for whatever reason. Whenever she stopped or didn't take enough she says she could feel it beginning to recur so she is now back to taking it on a regular basis. She has not had an MRI since starting the CS but I understand she will be having one in February of 2003 to see how the lesions are doing (or not). ! I expect to hear of the results and will post them when I hear the results. She used a PWT meter to determine the strength. She was using the SG6 and was making it at about 15 PPM. I feel the upshot here istake plenty.not a tablespoon at a time. Every person that has told me of their recovery from life threatening diseases use large amounts. And I can knock your socks off with some of the first hand accounts in my arsenal. All anecdotal of course I have many such anecdotal stories and all of them involved an aggressive regimen. My personal opinion is that a small amount taken daily is probably a good preventative but will not be effective when one has to really get after a disease. I have been taking an ounce a day for about 5 years and haven't had any colds, flu or infections. However if I were to become ill the first thing I would do is go all out and use it as drinking water unti! l the bugs had disappeared. I hope this helps anyone that's interested. Trem -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour -- Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
Re: CS>cream for dry skin
I do put vit E in my cream and also a few drops of essential oils, as well. I use a clean wooden spatula (different one each time) to scoop out just what I need, and so the cream never stays out of the fridge but a moment. I haven't heard of the preservatives you mention. Where can I find more info about them? paula -- Dinsdale and Julius Groucho, Bailey and Thumper (bunnies); Spati and Ripi (cats) mailto: pcar...@wyoming.com http://community.webshots.com/user/polcarter -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Trem's Story + Testimony
Trem, Thanks for posting that story. I felt better just reading it. Have any of the people you know that were taking large quantities for long periods developed argyria? Now for more good news. Every year in the fall I get bad dandruff. The dryer it gets, the worse my scalp flakes. This year started out no different until I started spraying my scalp with CS. In 2 days the flaking and itching are almost completely gone. Wow! This stuff is great. Paul Trem wrote: Hi List, There's been some discussion about the effectiveness if CS on MS recently. Let me throw one anecdotal story out for those who may want to consider using CS to treat it. Apparently there are two types of MS. One type has bad bouts associated with it and then apparent spontaneous but not quite full recovery. So the bouts are very bad but they do not stay that way. Over time each bout leaves the person a little further down. I have a customer with progressive non remissive type MS (type 2). They go steadily downhill and do not recover. It is a steady slide. This person (female) was an R.N. and was diagnosed about 4 1/2 years ago at age 26. She is now 30. She had deteriorated to the stage of using a walker, was incontinent, was very weak on her left side and had no control of her right foot. She had been unable to work for a few years. In February 1, 2002 she started taking CS made with one of our units. She started at 32 ounces a day. She reduced that amount after 6 weeks to 16 ounces a day because she was experiencing what she considered a recovery. She regained the strength on her left side, her right foot became completely usable, she stopped using the walker and her incontinence went away except for an occasional slip. She then returned to work as a nurse. She has been on the same regimen since then except she says she began to backslide occasionally and forget to take the CS, thinking it wasn't necessary because she felt so good or for whatever reason. Whenever she stopped or didn't take enough she says she could feel it beginning to recur so she is now back to taking it on a regular basis. She has not had an MRI since starting the CS but I understand she will be having one in February of 2003 to see how the lesions are doing (or not). I expect to hear of the results and will post them when I hear the results. She used a PWT meter to determine the strength. She was using the SG6 and was making it at about 15 PPM. I feel the upshot here istake plenty.not a tablespoon at a time. Every person that has told me of their recovery from life threatening diseases use large amounts. And I can knock your socks off with some of the first hand accounts in my arsenal. All anecdotal of course I have many such anecdotal stories and all of them involved an aggressive regimen. My personal opinion is that a small amount taken daily is probably a good preventative but will not be effective when one has to really get after a disease. I have been taking an ounce a day for about 5 years and haven't had any colds, flu or infections. However if I were to become ill the first thing I would do is go all out and use it as drinking water until the bugs had disappeared. I hope this helps anyone that's interested. Trem -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour - Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
Re: CS>CS Elimination
Hi List, There's been some discussion about the effectiveness if CS on MS recently. Let me throw one anecdotal story out for those who may want to consider using CS to treat it. Apparently there are two types of MS. One type has bad bouts associated with it and then apparent spontaneous but not quite full recovery. So the bouts are very bad but they do not stay that way. Over time each bout leaves the person a little further down. I have a customer with progressive non remissive type MS (type 2). They go steadily downhill and do not recover. It is a steady slide. This person (female) was an R.N. and was diagnosed about 4 1/2 years ago at age 26. She is now 30. She had deteriorated to the stage of using a walker, was incontinent, was very weak on her left side and had no control of her right foot. She had been unable to work for a few years. In February 1, 2002 she started taking CS made with one of our units. She started at 32 ounces a day. She reduced that amount after 6 weeks to 16 ounces a day because she was experiencing what she considered a recovery. She regained the strength on her left side, her right foot became completely usable, she stopped using the walker and her incontinence went away except for an occasional slip. She then returned to work as a nurse. She has been on the same regimen since then except she says she began to backslide occasionally and forget to take the CS, thinking it wasn't necessary because she felt so good or for whatever reason. Whenever she stopped or didn't take enough she says she could feel it beginning to recur so she is now back to taking it on a regular basis. She has not had an MRI since starting the CS but I understand she will be having one in February of 2003 to see how the lesions are doing (or not). I expect to hear of the results and will post them when I hear the results. She used a PWT meter to determine the strength. She was using the SG6 and was making it at about 15 PPM. I feel the upshot here istake plenty.not a tablespoon at a time. Every person that has told me of their recovery from life threatening diseases use large amounts. And I can knock your socks off with some of the first hand accounts in my arsenal. All anecdotal of course I have many such anecdotal stories and all of them involved an aggressive regimen. My personal opinion is that a small amount taken daily is probably a good preventative but will not be effective when one has to really get after a disease. I have been taking an ounce a day for about 5 years and haven't had any colds, flu or infections. However if I were to become ill the first thing I would do is go all out and use it as drinking water until the bugs had disappeared. I hope this helps anyone that's interested. Trem -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CS Elimination
Hi Reid, http://silvergen.com/General/altman.pdf Trem - Original Message - From: "Reid Harvey" To: "silver list" Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 3:18 PM Subject: CS>CS Elimination > CS Enthusiasts, > Can anyone please point me to the link to Roger Altman's study on > elimination of CS? > Thanks, > Reid > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
Re: CS>Reality lives !! / Marshall
> Ken said: > > I'm willing, out of curiosity, to 'determine some idea' of how far off > reality is from various stated views of it. [something within a range in an > infinite scale] > I've got an odd feeling that no one can say anything that's true about > anything. [Nothing that is, except, perhaps, that statement.] * Jack Dayton wrote: > > See what you think of this as a reality based statement: > > "Every thing is either A or nonA at any given time". * Marshall replies: That is a binary state logic statement. Most of reality is not binary, and is instead shades of gray. But, Marshall, my response to Ken¹s challenge ( see above in bold), is valid based upon the context the reply addressed. For instance everything is not either hot or not hot, since there is not definition of exactly what hot is. There is a full spectrum from cold to hot, and can include very warm, slightly hot, hot, very hot. Thus it is impossible to divide into two groups. ³hot²,- ²cold² - are relative terms, and do not belong in this discussion. Likewise soup is neither water, nor nonWater, instead it is partly water. Does that include vichyssoise? :-) You get into this a lot with ethics. Many things are almost impossible today to determine if they are ethical or not, and different people will have differing opinions. The question of ethics is not involved here; just logic is active. Thus everything can be A, nonA or partly, slightly or mostly A as well as other proportions. There was no ³wiggle room² in that statement because it is qualified with: ³...at any given time". Marshall Jack
Re: CS>CS Elimination
I think what you want is on this page: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/papers.html You'll need Adobe Acrobat to read it. Chuck How do you tell when you run out of invisible ink? On Sun, 03 Nov 2002 04:48:45 +0530, Reid Harvey wrote: >CS Enthusiasts, >Can anyone please point me to the link to Roger Altman's study on >elimination of CS? >Thanks, >Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>cs and oxygen
Hi Everyone, I'm new to the group and have a question. I have heard some natural type doctor recommend Stabilized Oxygen with the use of CS. They said to mix them together in purified water. I know that when brewing cs it can react with other properties to make some not so good results but would consuming the two together be a bad choice? TIA Glenda -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>CS Elimination
CS Enthusiasts, Can anyone please point me to the link to Roger Altman's study on elimination of CS? Thanks, Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Reality lives !!
Yes indeedy!! Try Godel Escher Bach by Douglas Hofstadter, a phun book if you're into puzzles. Godel's incompleteness theorem is a toughie; a simplistic interpretation might be that any self-consistent logical system MUST include axioms (good ol' 'self-evident truths') not deriveable from the self-consistent logical system itself . . . . . . . .or it collapses into simple identity or absurdity. Thus again, we see that progress depends on the unreasonable. At 09:04 AM 11/2/02 -0700, you wrote: Ever read the work itself or an evaluation by competnet mathamiticians of Godel's Incompleteness Theorm? I do not have the skills to read it myself, but supposidly qualified others say that it proves that anything that is true is not provable. How 'bout the converse: "everything that is provable is not true." Naahhh, don't even go there. A small card. On one side is written, "The statement on the other side of this card is false". On the reverse, "The statement on the other side of this card is true." James-Osbourne: Holmes Another card. On one side is written: "The statement on the other side of this card is false, or true." On the reverse is written: "The statement on the other side of this card is nul." So much simpler that way . . . . . . . ? Take care, the roads are slipp'ry; Malcolm -Original Message- From: Malcolm Stebbins [mailto:s...@asis.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 11:13 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Reality lives !! Hi; 'Not only'. On the quantum level, time is reversible; "instantaneous" does not depend on particulate time, such as the Bhuddist 'Kalapa' the smallest unit of time deemed possible, and avoiding the sillophophical stuff that just begs to be thrashed on the question of time, . . . . Existence and becoming (and un-becoming) may or may not be 'binary'. In Mathematics the open interval, f'rinstance, is a little jolt; the interval [1 - 2), open at the upper end, never reaches "two"; there's always an infinitude of points between however-close-you-are to "two", and "two" itself. This is similar to the race between Achilles and the Tortoise in one sense, but avoids the issue of time. Also, If something is not complete how can it exist? On the other hand, how can "it" not exist, if you can tell "it" is not complete? And for a more binary disclaimer, It's only fair I confess; I always lie: always! Phast Phred (aka: "A") At 06:07 PM 11/1/02 -0700, you wrote: Involving time is the problem James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Jack Dayton [mailto:jack...@harbornet.com] See what you think of this as a reality based statement: "Every thing is either A or nonA at any given time". Jack Needs Work --
Re: CS>Independent Lab?
Linda asks: > From: ldavis.aus...@vba.va.gov > Subject: CS>Independent Lab? > Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:44:07 -0800 > > Is there an independent lab or organization that has evaluated and compared > CS generators, giving unbiased product comparisons and ratings? *** Hi Linda, I have never heard of such testing, but there are 2 generators that are probably recommended most often on this list when a generator is recommended, and they are the SG6 from SilverGen, and the Ole Bob Series 2 from silverpuppy.com. Either one should produce quality CS for a long time, AND, your satisfaction is guaranteed -- what's not to like? Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>cream for dry skin
Or the herbs can be infused with the oil, and used in a soap or lotion recipe, also. Roxanne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>cream for dry skin--OT
Olive Oil is very good on the skin. I make and castille soap using just all Olive Oil, I do use a little bit of coconut oil in it, because I don't feel skin without it. Olive Oil has good mosturizing qualities, and is very gentle on the skin, and it's cheap. I use Olive Oil in all my Basic Soaps when I combine three oils. Those are either vegetable oil, olive oil, and coconut, or lard, vegetable oil, and coconut. I make two basic types of soap because some people will not use animal fat. I have no qualms about the animals, they are going to be slaughtered for food anyway, why not use what we don't eat. I like it because it makes a very creamy, white, hard, long lasting bar of soap. Vegetable Oil soaps doesn't last as long. A little Emu Oil in Soap is the best. and the best yet is an entire bar of emu soap, but couldn't sell it, because of the price it would be. Olive Oil in shea butter, you want a light oil, never use Olive Oil, in the shea butter so I can't tell you. I used almond oil from the health food store and it was too heavy. It took about 15 minutes for the greasiness to go away. So I substituted Safflower Oil and it glides on smooth and doesn't feel greasy. You might want to experiment with it though to get the feel you want and to incorporate the properties of the different oils. I know some people are using meadowfoam, somewhat more expensive, but they say it feels wonderful. Do not buy shea butter, or mango butter from the health food store. It is much cheaper purchased in on the internet. You don't want any refined with hexane, and you have to ask, if it doesn't say so on the web site. Roxanne -Original Message- From: jrowl...@nctimes.net [mailto:jrowl...@nctimes.net] Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 12:26 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>cream for dry skin Roxanne writes: > ...shea butter whipped together with 4 ozs. safflower oil or sunflower oil > > ...You can substitute any oil... > Having heard the praises of olive oil for skin, just wondering how you'd rate it for this situation, based on experience or opinion. Thanks, jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>cream for dry skin
Mary Lou- People have been mentioning various oils for skin, but demulcent herbal poultices or washes can also be used. I have a really good herbal book (Energetics of Western Herbs, Peter Holmes, 2 volumes) to look stuff up in, and it says dryness can come from external sources or from inside, from fluid deficiency. Herbs that increase moisture are mostly from the plaintain, malva, and grain families. They are demulcents when taken internally and emollients when used externally. Mucogenic demulcents moisten through their content, and promote fluid secretion and moisten the mucus membranes: Chickweed herb, Iceland moss, Irish moss (Carageenan), Comfrey leaf, Marsh mallow root, Slippery elm bark, and Red clover flower. Simple demulcents have a local effect: Licorice root, Borage leaf, Mullein leaf, Lungwort herb, Poplar bud, Soapwort root, and Aloe gel. Herbs can be prepared as fresh juices, infusions (adding leaves to boiling water then steeping), or decoctions (roots or bark can be simmered 15 minutes). The preparation can be put on the skin as a wash, or saturate a cloth and apply. Nancy __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>A request for user data...
Greetings, all! An associate of mine asked me to forward a request to colloidal silver users: A simple email with one's name from those who have been using colloidal silver on a daily basis for in excess of four years ( 10-15 PPM ); I would add that the quantity of the amount ingested daily would be beneficial. Our list member is working in India to introduce colloidal silver in a local area, and according to the health authority establishment that our lister is working with, email can have the authority of a written statement, and they are requesting one hundred examples of users that have not experienced negative side effects from the long term use of colloidal silver. All should be aware that this involving a commercial endevour, albeit one where the heart is in the perfect place ( my judgement ). After considering the issue for about a week, I feel that this request could serve two purposes. For those who wish to validate colloidal silver use for the health authorities, but do not want this information used publically, please simply state that the statement is only for use with the health authorities. For those who wish to release their testimonial for our project's use, please simply include a statement that we can use the information for not-for-profit use on http://testimonials.silvermedicine.org ( up-and-coming ). Please send any email to the following email address: resea...@silvermedicine.org Warm Regards, Jason http://www.silvermedicine.org -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>cream for dry skin
Roxanne writes: > ...shea butter whipped together with 4 ozs. safflower oil or sunflower oil > > ...You can substitute any oil... > Having heard the praises of olive oil for skin, just wondering how you'd rate it for this situation, based on experience or opinion. Thanks, jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>cream for dry skin
Because bateria grows even in the refrigerator, maybe slower, but it still grows. If your cream has any water in it at least put Vitamin E in it, but a perserative such a phenonip or some of the other is better. If you use your cream up fast, you can get by with it. I use mind every day, and do not use it up fast enough. Now I've tossed the idea around about using CS distilled water, but when thinking about using it, so prove weather or not, it will keep the bacteria would be very expensive. So I would think that CS might be a persavative, but I have no way of testing the cream over time to prove it. Roxanne -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:pcar...@wyoming.com] Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 11:43 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>cream for dry skin I fail to see why a preservative is needed if the cream is refrigerated? -- > Unless you use the cream up very fast, if you use water you need a > perservative. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>cream for dry skin
I fail to see why a preservative is needed if the cream is refrigerated? -- > Unless you use the cream up very fast, if you use water you need a > perservative. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Uh Oh...Blue Fingernails
Paul, Blue moons or blue fingernails can be a sign that you are not getting enough oxygen or that you are being poisoned. How do you get along with your wife? Tom ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, November 01, 2002 10:09:20 PM To: Silver List Subject: CS>Uh Oh...Blue Fingernails Ok, about 2 years ago I started using about 1/2 to 1 oz/day of a 100 ppm colloidal silver product from Water Oz and about 2 mos ago I started using 16-32 oz of about 12-15 ppm according to the PWT of my own brew using a generator made by Sota Instruments with constant current adapter and then a Coyote Zenterprises generator also with constant current and thermal stirring (When I was using 32 oz made by the Sota generator I assumed that it was 5 ppm but according to the PWT it was more like 15 ppm) . Never noticed anything until now but the moons on my fingernails definitely have a blue-purple tint. Who knows they may have been blue for quite a while and maybe I just never noticed it until Marshall mentioned it. Guess I should stop for a little while and see what happens. I'll keep you posted. Paul Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now <><><>
Re: CS>Uh Oh...Blue Fingernails
I have also heard that Water-Oz Silver has produced Argyria symptoms in a few of it's users. As a matter of fact, what I heard was that almost all recent argyria cases from silver supplementation were connected to Water-Oz. Colloidal IS the way to go for safety. Paul, did you recently have any excessive sun exposure? If you did, that may account for the fact that the "blueness" was so suddenly apparent. Go easy on the cs for a while and when you restart, keep it below 1oz for a while. Even the best things can do harm in excess. As a fellow MSer, I empathize with your impatience to be well. Take care of yourself. Blessings, Jannette If I'm not mistaken, someone who was once an active member of this list > believes she developed argyria from the Water Oz product. Someone here > may recall the details on this. > > Regards, > Catherine --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 11/1/2002 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>cream for dry skin
Unless you use the cream up very fast, if you use water you need a perservative. Just my .02 cents worth. I've had very dry skin since birth. I've been using whipped shea butter. I also make a soap that uses shea butter. It's about the best thing I've seen for it so far. Jojoba oil is actually a wax, btw.I use six ounces of shea butter whipped together with 4 oxs safflower oil or sunflower oil. If using safflower, be sure it has vitiman e in it. Vitimin e is a perservative of sorts. Safflower is really light, feels good on the skin, but has a short shelf life if it doesn't contain the Vit E. This "butter" uses no water, so it doesn't need a perservative. It's one of the reasons I like it. You can substitute any oil. I have a recipe for cream that does use a perservative, that uses MSM and Emu oil and menthol. There isn't really a good substitute for Emu oil for the transdermal properties that it has. That combination virtually eliminates arthritic pain. As always, I wouldn't go without my soap with Shea butter and my whipped shea butter. If you all want further instructions on how to whip it, just let me know, and I'll tell you how to do it. Roxanne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Uh Oh...Blue Fingernails
Laura asked: <> Paul replied: <<2 oz/day.>> If I'm not mistaken, someone who was once an active member of this list believes she developed argyria from the Water Oz product. Someone here may recall the details on this. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Uh Oh...Blue Fingernails/reply
Dear Paul, You said: <> ** Thank you for sharing your experiences. I don't believe it is appropriate for anyone to attempt to silence someone by attempting to discredit or ridicule them. It is strictly allopathic thinking to believe all people will react the same way to a particular substance. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Uh Oh...Blue Fingernails
Laura, >Are you battling a particular illness as reason to take 16-32 oz per day? I have had MS-like symptoms for 5 years. >That seems like a lot of CS. When I joined the list I felt reassured that some people had been taking 8oz per day for long periods safely. I'm not afraid of the CS I make at home but I have a healthy respect for it. I don't think I've ever taken more than 4oz in one day under any circumstances. It depends on the ppm. In terms of how much actual silver you are ingesting, taking 8 oz of 20 ppm would be the same as taking 32 oz of 5 ppm (which is what I assumed I was taking based on the mfg's claim). >Did WaterOz give a recommended dosage? > 2 oz/day. Paul - Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
CS>cream for dry skin
There is a great recipe for basic skin cream (article by Rosemary Gladstar) in the Mar/Apr 2002 issue of Herbs for Health, www.discoverherbs.com . If there are no back issues available for purchase, you can get a photocopy of the article. They were very nice and very fast to send me a photocopy of an article in a backissue when I needed one. If anyone has this issue or has seen the cream recipe, it calls for distilled water and aloe vera gel, as well as various oils and beeswax. I was wondering if CS could be substituted for the distilled water? Any problems with that? The advantage of making one's own face/hand/body cream to me is the complete lack of preservatives (the parabens, etc). I do keep my homemade cream in the fridge. Amazingly, a couple of friends and aquaintances have commented that my skin looks nice since I have been using this cream. (I have very dry cheek skin and a tendency to a rosacea looking condition) paula -- Dinsdale and Julius Groucho, Bailey and Thumper (bunnies); Spati and Ripi (cats) mailto: pcar...@wyoming.com http://community.webshots.com/user/polcarter - Original Message - From: "Mary Lou Borgert" > dear Nancy, > You seem to know a lot about herbs, I need advice. > I have excessively dry skin due to hep. years ago. I was recently at a > bazaar and they had a product made from beeswax, jojoba the rest they would > not tell me. > Do you have any suggestions for excessively dry skin??? > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Smart clothes
Add some pheromones and you have a marketing winner. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: jrowl...@nctimes.net [mailto:jrowl...@nctimes.net] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 11:16 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Smart clothes > ...and silver-coated underwear for people suffering from dermatitis... > http://www.atlantisrising.com/ jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Reality lives !!
Ever read the work itself or an evaluation by competnet mathamiticians of Godel's Incompleteness Theorm? I do not have the skills to read it myself, but supposidly qualified others say that it proves that anything that is true is not provable. A small card. On one side is written, "The statement on the other side of this card is false". On the reverse, "The statement on the other side of this card is true." James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Malcolm Stebbins [mailto:s...@asis.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 11:13 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Reality lives !! Hi; 'Not only'. On the quantum level, time is reversible; "instantaneous" does not depend on particulate time, such as the Bhuddist 'Kalapa' the smallest unit of time deemed possible, and avoiding the sillophophical stuff that just begs to be thrashed on the question of time, . . . . Existence and becoming (and un-becoming) may or may not be 'binary'. In Mathematics the open interval, f'rinstance, is a little jolt; the interval [1 - 2), open at the upper end, never reaches "two"; there's always an infinitude of points between however-close-you-are to "two", and "two" itself. This is similar to the race between Achilles and the Tortoise in one sense, but avoids the issue of time. Also, If something is not complete how can it exist? On the other hand, how can "it" not exist, if you can tell "it" is not complete? And for a more binary disclaimer, It's only fair I confess; I always lie: always! Phast Phred (aka: "A") At 06:07 PM 11/1/02 -0700, you wrote: Involving time is the problem James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Jack Dayton [mailto:jack...@harbornet.com] See what you think of this as a reality based statement: "Every thing is either A or nonA at any given time". Jack Needs Work --
Re: CS>Uh Oh...Blue Fingernails/reply
Mars, >You wanted to turn blue taking that amount or either you want to promote fear >on >this site. No. I want to get well and I want to share my experience. As I said, my fingernails may have been blue for years. I don't know, just stating a fact. I have had MS-like symptoms for 5 years. Do you have a chronic degerative disease that has made you a little desperate? You must know what the maximum dosage for treating chronic degenerative disease is. Why don't you share that with us and tell us what your "opinion" is based on so that those with chronic degenerative diseases know exactly how much to take. Many people including myself believe that using predominantly ionic, quality-made silver cannot cause argyria. Do you remember Nancy Delise's testimony (and I'm sure there are plenty of others) that she took 16 oz of 10 ppm for MS for over 2 years and got great results and she also has friends using the same and, according to her, all are getting great results? I also talked with a well-known, very knowledgeable generator mfg. on this site and he said taking quantity is the key and that he has had reports of a number of people with MS getting excellent results. Please share your wisdom with us. Paul - Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
Thanks, I will pass this info on to her. :) - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 12:44 AM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > f.capezzuto writes: > > > My sister got a Lupus like disease from taking a stop smoking drug. > > > > She got worse till...she stopped taking it...two weeks to fully recover... > > > > Now she is back to smoking, and healthy. ;) > > > Engaging Atlantis Rising Magazine (11-12/02 Issue #36; article not yet > online) explaining why cigarette smoke is radioactive, and possibly the > patches and gums (depending on their ingredient sources): > http://www.atlantisrising.com/ > Recommendation/conclusion for smokers is to quit, or, ensure your > tobacco is grown with appropriate fertilizers. (Pot farmers take note.) > > The fertilizers used on the tobacco fields are the culprit (same article > reference): > > > Lives could be saved by simply changing fertilizers, they say... > > > > Almost 95% of the Lung Cancer caused by Cigarettes are allegedly the result > > > > of using calcium phosphate fertilizer to grow the Tobacco... > > > > http://www.acsa.net/HealthAlert/lungcancer.html > > > jr > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>CS & gatorade
Could this be something like 'cold fusion' working in reverse to cool rather than to heat? Ken At 12:37 PM 11/1/02 -0500, you wrote: >Marshall Dudley wrote: > >> There is lots of data to support this, and data is suppose to trump >> theory, which says it is impossible, but the body under these >> conditions appears to transmute sodium to potassium. > >Actually this is not quite right. The transmutation is sodium plus >oxygen produces potassium. > >Na 23 has a delta of -9531.4 keV >O 16 has a delta of -4737.03 >K 39 has a delta of -33806.6 > >Thus Sodium 23 plus Oxygen 16 has a nuclear binding energy of 14268.43 >Potassium has a nuclear binding energy of 33806.6 > >The difference is 19538.17 keV or about 20 Mev. > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Reality lives !!
Phuny, Phast Phred. Malcolm Stebbins wrote: >And for a more binary disclaimer, It's > only fair I confess; I always lie: always! > Phast Phred (aka: "A") -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Uh Oh...Blue Fingernails
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:09:20 -0800 (PST), Paul Ladendorf wrote: >Ok, about 2 years ago I started using about 1/2 to 1 oz/day of a 100 ppm >colloidal silver product from Water Oz As I understand it, Water Oz is a silver compound (as are most of their other minerals). IOW, it's not colloidal. -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
