CSDMSO and eyes
When I spray my face with CS mixed with DMSO I have been careful not to get it in my eyes but Some did get into them and it stung. I don't want to do that again but is it harmful if it gets in your eyes? Jay PJAY - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
CSspray bottle
The spray bottle I use has a metal ball in the top. Does this matter? PJAY - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
CSAtomizer
What does an atomizer do? Is it just a fancy name for spray bottle? PJAY - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
Re: CS130V CS Generator
CS130V CS Generator From: Dan Nave Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:54:51 From Mike Monett's circuit and description at: http://www3.sympatico.ca/add.automation/misc/130vdc.htm A couple more questions Mike. Do you have any recommended electrode spacing? Hi Dan, I don't think it is too critical. I use about 1 1/4 spacing, but I have seen wide variations posted in the archives. What was the electrode spacing, electrode length, and amount of distilled water in the example in your write-up which appeared to take about 30 minutes to make the CS? I'm sorry if I gave the impression of a 30-minute brew time. I actually wanted to show the insensitivity of the resistive method to normal process variations, such as the formation of hydrogen bubbles that reduce the electrode surface area. I have rewritten the paper to hopefully explain this more clearly, and also added an electrostatic drain to the schematic. I included more information on monitoring the performance of the circuit by noting the time delay between turning power off and the neon bulb going out. So it might be worth reviewing the paper to see what is new. To answer your question, the electrode spacing is about 1 1/4, the wire is 12 ga with a wetted length of 3.85, the current is 1.4mA, and the water volume is 8 oz. For single rods, this gives a current density of 3.85 * 0.25 * 1.4 = 1.33 mA/sq. inch I have been experimenting with asymmetrical current density, and am now using two rods for the anode and a 17 length of 12 ga. wire formed into a W for the cathode. The operating current is the same, but the current density at the anode is about 0.66mA sq. inch, and the cathode density is less than half of that, or about 0.30 mA sq. inch. The increased surface area causes a significant reduction in the initial voltage across the rods. It dropped from about 80V to about 30V, with a corresponding reduction in the final voltage at the end of the run. The resistive method definitely improves the run time. I generally brew for 45 minutes to 1 1/2 hr, but I find the longer runs tend to turn yellow or gold after a day or so. I don't measure the resulting ppm, but instead I rely on subjective impressions of the biological activity. For example, a cut usually heals in one day when covered with a bandage soaked in cs. A scrape, where the skin is removed, may take two or three days to heal without leaving a scar. It doesn't seem to matter much how the silver is prepared or what the strength is. However, I find a great difference in the tooth test. Stirring allows me to use longer runs before they turn yellow, but I have not seen a corresponding improvement in pain reduction with a cavity. The unstirred silver may stop the pain for several days. But the three stirring methods I tried would only stop the pain for several hours. A friend reports the same result with her tooth cavity. So, I have gone back to 1 hr runs without using stirring. Thanks, Dan Thanks for the comments! Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDMSO and eyes
Jay Ice wrote: When I spray my face with CS mixed with DMSO I have been careful not to get it in my eyes but Some did get into them and it stung. I don't want to do that again but is it harmful if it gets in your eyes? Jay PJAY Why are you doing all of these things? Why do you then ask if it's harmful? If it's potentially harmful, don't do it. I think you'd have to find someone who has done some of the things you do before you get an answer to your questions. DL Why is the sky blue? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CSquestion on cs vs. ionic silver
Does it swim in circles??? --- Tad Winiecki winie...@pacifier.com wrote: Catherine wrote: ** This part about injured cells reverting to stem cells is quite interesting to me. Can you provide any articles, citations, etc. about this? I have a duck that had her drumstick bone crushed right above the joint, and then lost blood return from her foot so that the foot was dying and the webbing puffed up like a balloon. I decided I would rather live one-legged than not at all so did surgery on her and cut off her leg above the break. (I am a biologist and have operated on rats before.) I sewed the skin on each side together across the bone but didn't fully cover the middle of the bone. It did stop the bleeding, though. I soaked the stub in CS 2x a day for a couple of minutes and applied comfrey/aloe salve with added myrrh powder, and bandaged it. A scab formed over the end, and in a week and a half came off leaving a 1cm square small scab that thickened up. That scab came off at three weeks. The end of her stump was a pinkish scar that since has totally regrown down (feathers). She can hop pretty fast on one leg, and only has to get around in the little movable duck run anyway. There was never the least sign of infection. I make CS with a plug-in commercial generator. Nancy What did the duck do who flew upside down? It quacked up. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile.
Re: CSAtomizer
Main Entry: at·om·iz·er Pronunciation: 'a-t-mI-zr Function: noun Date: 1865 : an instrument for atomizing usually a perfume, disinfectant, or medicament Jay Ice wrote: What does an atomizer do? Is it just a fancy name for spray bottle? PJAY -- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMultiMeter Question
Re: CSMultiMeter Question From: Jeff Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 22:20:47 Thanks for the reply Mike, Yes that is the generator I got. I have printed out this message so I can have a hard copy of the links and info. I don't understand 90% of it but I will endeavor to learn all I can from it. The charts and things on your website help me to understand a lot better. Thanks for the nice comments, Jeff. I hope the information is useful. Don't worry about remarks on reading the manual to learn how to use the dvm. Some people may have started when the manuals were several inches thick. Nowadays, as you point out, they seem to be written on bubble-gum wrappers. Learning about something as complicated as colloidal silver will take time. There is a lot of strange terminology, and the process may change unpredictably with the methods commonly used. You can actually find threads in the archive that seriously discuss the effect of the phase of the moon on silver production! I think a lot of the variation may be due to limitations in the circuits and the method of controlling the current. I also had a lot of difficulty getting repeatability before going to high voltage. This seems to have solved all the problems, and I now am very happy with the results. So keep us updated on your progress, and please don't hesitate if you have any questions. You are probably helping others get started who may have similar questions, but they may not want to risk adverse comments by posting them. Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMultiMeter Question
I wrote: However, I find a great difference in the tooth test. Stirring allows me to use longer runs before they turn yellow, but I have not seen a corresponding improvement in pain reduction with a cavity. This must really sound dumb - I didn't mean to imply the teeth turn yellow after several days - I meant the solution turns yellow! Seems to be a rash going around. Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAttaching 12 gage silver wire electrodes to container lid
I make a gallon at a time and use current limiting set at 3.4 mA and it takes about 24 hours for 15 PPM CS. The generator that you speak of uses current limiting set at 20 mA so it should be much quicker. Jim Jeff wrote: How long would it have to cook in the tea jug using this generator? http://www.bioelectrifier.com/silgen.htm -Original Message- From: Jim [mailto:kf4...@papadocs.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:01 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAttaching 12 gage silver wire electrodes to container lid I use a SUN TEA jug that I got from Wal Mart to brew my CS in, it cost less than $4.00 and it has a tap on the bottom to drain your CS as you need it. I put two holes in the lid for the silver rods and I simply bent the top of each silver rod into a circle so that it won't fall through the holes and to attach the alligator clips to. The fish tank aerator goes through the large pouring hole in the lid. Jim sol wrote: Dan, Can you give me a RS part number? Would be very helpful. I've been playing around with a gallon size home made generator with fish bubbler, and you are quite right, I haven't found a way to attach the wire electrodes that is really satisfactory. TIA, paula - Original Message - From: Dan Nave dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com . These tip jacks should be relatively cheap (on the order of $1 apiece) and available at Radio Shack or any electronic supply house or catalog. The convenience and stability of this method should make it well worth the minimal price. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMultiMeter Question
I use an LM317. It provides smaller current than the 117. I have been able to consistently get the current limited to 1.7ma with the LM317 using a 1K feedback resister at 38V supply. The TO-92 package is easy to work with as well, it looks like a small transistor. And the cost is excellent. Only 50 cents at Digikey. I can post my schematic and parts list on the web if anyone is interested. I designed it based on the best advice I gleaned from Bob, Trem, and Jason on this list. It uses a small motor with a straw for constant stirring. If you mount the whole thing on a plastic mason jar lid with your screw type connectors pointing down it makes it a lot easier. Just put your silver wire on the connector. (I prefer silver ribbon, you get more surface area and increases capacitance between electrodes) At 12:19 AM 5/7/03, you wrote: Some LM117's may work at lower current, but the performance is not guaranteed, and it may vary with changing load current. The result is the concentration of silver may change unpredictably. +- Bentonite Clay for sale-+ http://pages.sbcglobal.net/davebe/clay.html ¦ David Bearrow ¦ ¦ dav...@sbcglobal.net ¦ + Phone: (972)722-8319 + -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMultiMeter Question
RE: CSMultiMeter Question From: David Bearrow Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 05:22:54 I use an LM317. It provides smaller current than the 117. You may have found one that works, but if you read the specification, the minimum load current for the LM317 with 40V differential is 3.5 to 10mA, and the LM117 is 3.5 to 5mA. The LM117 is better than the LM317, but neither device is guaranteed to work outside the specifications. See http://www.national.com/ds.cgi/LM/LM117.pdf I have been able to consistently get the current limited to 1.7ma with the LM317 using a 1K feedback resister at 38V supply. The equation for setting the current is R = 1.25 / I For 1.7mA, the resistor would be 1.25 / 1.7e-3 = 735 ohms. Since you need a 1k resistor, this shows the device is not operating properly and it is doubtful it is operating very well as a current regulator. Have you plotted the current-vs-time curve? I'll bet it changes with temperature. The LM117/LM317 reduces the available voltage by 3V, so you are only supplying 35V to the electrodes at power on. This will increase the initial current compared to 27 volts from three 9V batteries, but not enough to make much difference. Unless you have a very large surface area for your electrodes. even with a properly-functioning current regulator, you are probably operating in the exponential portion of the curve as shown in Fig. 1 on my web page. This means your results are subject to the normal process variations in purity of the distilled water, ion channel formation, and hydrogen bubbles at the cathode reducing the surface area. I had all the same problems and found the only way to solve them is to go to a higher voltage. The voltage that is needed could be lethal if the circuit is not designed properly, and two people have recently posted discussions on using the raw 110VAC without an isolation tranformer. That is why I posted the 130V design. The TO-92 package is easy to work with as well, it looks like a small transistor. And the cost is excellent. Only 50 cents at Digikey. I can post my schematic and parts list on the web if anyone is interested. The schematic is one component and one resistor, and is shown in the datasheet along with the device specifications. I designed it based on the best advice I gleaned from Bob, Trem, and Jason on this list. It uses a small motor with a straw for constant stirring. If you mount the whole thing on a plastic mason jar lid with your screw type connectors pointing down it makes it a lot easier. Just put your silver wire on the connector. (I prefer silver ribbon, you get more surface area and increases capacitance between electrodes) The ribbon increases the surface area, which lowers the current density for the same supply current. I'll bet they are fun to clean:) Even with a dielectric constant of 81 due to the distilled water, the capacitance between the electrodes is still negligible. It has no bearing at DC. No doubt you are making cs, since you are applying current. But many people have posted discussions on the unrepeatability of their process, and some even think the phase of the moon has some effect. I think a lot of problems people have been having, aside from variations in the purity of the distilled water, is the low voltage normally used, and unreliable current regulation. Your circuit certainly falls in this category. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSquestion on cs vs. ionic silver
Marshall: I believe that the ionic combines with the HCl in the stomach immediately and is basically removed from action. Does this mean that you believe that positive testimonials in regards to 100% ionic silver are placebo when it comes to internal applications and systemic effects? Peter -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSquestion on cs vs. ionic silver
I am not aware of any 100% ionic silver except for silver compounds. Who has 100% ionic, and what is the ppm? Marshall Peter Brandt wrote: Marshall: I believe that the ionic combines with the HCl in the stomach immediately and is basically removed from action. Does this mean that you believe that positive testimonials in regards to 100% ionic silver are placebo when it comes to internal applications and systemic effects? Peter -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: DMSO and CS
I just had the opportunity to use a mix of DMSO and CS on two of my tame banty roosters. They had fought and had injured one eye on each bird. The eyes looked bad, were swollen shut and weeping some white gook by the next morning. I was afraid that infection might kick in (alot of staph germs in a chicken coop) so I used a solution of CS and DMSO on their heads and eyes. Also, their entire heads and faces were covered in scabs and were swollen, along with their eyelids. I used an Afrin nose spray bottle, filled it half way with CS and added 3 or 4 drops of DMSO. This was probably a 5% or less DMSO/CS mix. I then put a couple of drops of this mix in their eyes and misted their faces and heads well. They did not act like it hurt at all. No fussing or anything. After two days, the eyes were open and not weeping anymore and the scabs were falling off of their faces. The swelling was also gone. Now, four days later, you can barely tell they had fought and their eyes look fine. Just thought I'd tell you the experience. Hope it helps some. Christine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSquestion on cs vs. ionic silver
The tests that I had done on my silver after adding h2o2 showed that it was 100% ionic...and it was still effective..Robb - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: Re: CSquestion on cs vs. ionic silver I am not aware of any 100% ionic silver except for silver compounds. Who has 100% ionic, and what is the ppm? Marshall Peter Brandt wrote: Marshall: I believe that the ionic combines with the HCl in the stomach immediately and is basically removed from action. Does this mean that you believe that positive testimonials in regards to 100% ionic silver are placebo when it comes to internal applications and systemic effects? Peter -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSquestion on cs vs. ionic silver
Robb Allen wrote: The tests that I had done on my silver after adding h2o2 showed that it was 100% ionic...and it was still effective..Robb What were your tests? How do you know it was 100% ionic? What was the ppm? Also, H2O2 is quite effective for many things alone, so that really doesn't prove anything. Marshall - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: Re: CSquestion on cs vs. ionic silver I am not aware of any 100% ionic silver except for silver compounds. Who has 100% ionic, and what is the ppm? Marshall Peter Brandt wrote: Marshall: I believe that the ionic combines with the HCl in the stomach immediately and is basically removed from action. Does this mean that you believe that positive testimonials in regards to 100% ionic silver are placebo when it comes to internal applications and systemic effects? Peter -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSH2o2
What doesH2o2 do when you put it in your CS? Jay - Original Message - From: Robb Allen rube2...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:10 PM Subject: Re: CSquestion on cs vs. ionic silver The tests that I had done on my silver after adding h2o2 showed that it was 100% ionic...and it was still effective..Robb - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: Re: CSquestion on cs vs. ionic silver I am not aware of any 100% ionic silver except for silver compounds. Who has 100% ionic, and what is the ppm? Marshall Peter Brandt wrote: Marshall: I believe that the ionic combines with the HCl in the stomach immediately and is basically removed from action. Does this mean that you believe that positive testimonials in regards to 100% ionic silver are placebo when it comes to internal applications and systemic effects? Peter -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSquestion on cs vs. ionic silver
Hi EIS'ers. I know that there is an abundance of belief that CS turns to AgCl in the stomach. To Ole Bob that is a BUNCH of baloney. The idea of applying inorganic chemistry to an organic situation is pure stupidity. Sorry if I offend some of you but no one knows what reactions take place in the presence of all of the enzymes present in the stomach. Explain how people get relief from 99% ionic silver?? Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSThe Treatment of Poliomyelitis and Other Virus Diseases with Vitamin C
It's not colloidal silver, but it's very interesting... Note the date: July, 1949 http://www.orthomed.com/polio.htm The Treatment of Poliomyelitis and Other Virus Diseases with Vitamin C Fred R. Klenner, M.D., Reidsville, North Carolina excerpt below; read the whole article on the web Further studies on virus pneumonia showed that the clinical response was better when vitamin C was given to these patients according to the dose schedule outlined for poliomyelitis. Where pneumonitis was demonstrated, the clearing of the chest film was parallel with the clinical recovery. In cases of consolidation of entire lobes the x-ray clearing lagged days behind the clinical response. In these cases 1000 mg. of C should be given every 12 hours for at least a week after the patient is apparently well. There was no change in the results as given in a previous paper; the patients were well in the third day of treatment. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH2o2
Good Grief! Try it and find out! What does it do anywhere you put it? Jay Ice wrote: What doesH2o2 do when you put it in your CS? Jay - Original Message - From: Robb Allen rube2...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:10 PM Subject: Re: CSquestion on cs vs. ionic silver The tests that I had done on my silver after adding h2o2 showed that it was 100% ionic...and it was still effective..Robb - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: Re: CSquestion on cs vs. ionic silver I am not aware of any 100% ionic silver except for silver compounds. Who has 100% ionic, and what is the ppm? Marshall Peter Brandt wrote: Marshall: I believe that the ionic combines with the HCl in the stomach immediately and is basically removed from action. Does this mean that you believe that positive testimonials in regards to 100% ionic silver are placebo when it comes to internal applications and systemic effects? Peter -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH2o2
I don't know the mechanism..however...it breaks up the particles and the tyndall effect vanishes..turns it into ionic silver...Robb' - Original Message - From: Jay Ice guess...@msn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:29 PM Subject: CSH2o2 What doesH2o2 do when you put it in your CS? Jay - Original Message - From: Robb Allen rube2...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:10 PM Subject: Re: CSquestion on cs vs. ionic silver The tests that I had done on my silver after adding h2o2 showed that it was 100% ionic...and it was still effective..Robb - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: Re: CSquestion on cs vs. ionic silver I am not aware of any 100% ionic silver except for silver compounds. Who has 100% ionic, and what is the ppm? Marshall Peter Brandt wrote: Marshall: I believe that the ionic combines with the HCl in the stomach immediately and is basically removed from action. Does this mean that you believe that positive testimonials in regards to 100% ionic silver are placebo when it comes to internal applications and systemic effects? Peter -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSquestion on cs vs. ionic silver
I'm not a scientist..maybe it is the h2o2..I don't know...OSU lab did my tests.I can't tell you more about the procedureI just know the stuff works to make it ionicI can't say whether it is anymore effective than particulate..because I don't know that at allRobb - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:18 PM Subject: Re: CSquestion on cs vs. ionic silver Robb Allen wrote: The tests that I had done on my silver after adding h2o2 showed that it was 100% ionic...and it was still effective..Robb What were your tests? How do you know it was 100% ionic? What was the ppm? Also, H2O2 is quite effective for many things alone, so that really doesn't prove anything. Marshall - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: Re: CSquestion on cs vs. ionic silver I am not aware of any 100% ionic silver except for silver compounds. Who has 100% ionic, and what is the ppm? Marshall Peter Brandt wrote: Marshall: I believe that the ionic combines with the HCl in the stomach immediately and is basically removed from action. Does this mean that you believe that positive testimonials in regards to 100% ionic silver are placebo when it comes to internal applications and systemic effects? Peter -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAttaching 12 gage silver wire electrodes to container lid
Re: CSAttaching 12 gage silver wire electrodes to container lid From: Jim Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 04:50:49 I make a gallon at a time and use current limiting set at 3.4 mA and it takes about 24 hours for 15 PPM CS. The generator that you speak of uses current limiting set at 20 mA so it should be much quicker. Jim Jim, With a current of 20 mA, and a current density to 1mA sq. inch, the anode would require 20 inches of 12 ga. wire. The cathode requires at least the same. How are you going to stuff 40 inches of wire in that small container? Also, the 7805 is a 5V regulator and requires 7V to operate. The LM117 only needs 3V, so it would provide more voltage to the rods. But it has a minimum load current of 5mA. This means the anode and cathode each have 5 inches of wetted length, which is much more reasonable. The only problem remaining is the maximum output voltage of 37V. This puts the system on the exponential part of the current-vs-time curve, so the results would be subject to the normal process variations of purity of the distilled water, ion channel formation, and hydrogen bubbles forming at the cathode. Same old problems. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFlat anode with two cathodes
One of the objections to using a flat piece of silver for a cathode has been that the flat surface facing away from the cathode will not emit much silver since it is shielded from the cathode, so one half of the surface area is not really being used. Why not merely place the flat plate anode in the center and place two cathodes, one on each side? Bob is recommending using a smaller anode anyway (for reasons that aren't entirely clear) so why not use a plate for the anode and a wire for each anode? A larger anode area should translate into faster CS making. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAttaching 12 gage silver wire electrodes to container lid
I use 12 ga. wire, 12 inches long and put 2 of them connected to the anode. That gives me 24 inches. The rods don't have to be a continuous length as long as you have them connected properly. I don't use the LM117, I use a regulator that I made using the LM334Z with a 30 VDC power supply that I robbed from an unused printer that I have.. My current limiter limits the current to 3.4 mA. I don't see why you feel that you need 40 inches of wire, I make 15 to 20 PPM CS in about 24 hours at 3.4 mA. If I were to use 20 mA I would produce my CS much faster, and am not sure that is good to make it that fast. Jim Mike Monett wrote: Re: CSAttaching 12 gage silver wire electrodes to container lid From: Jim Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 04:50:49 I make a gallon at a time and use current limiting set at 3.4 mA and it takes about 24 hours for 15 PPM CS. The generator that you speak of uses current limiting set at 20 mA so it should be much quicker. Jim Jim, With a current of 20 mA, and a current density to 1mA sq. inch, the anode would require 20 inches of 12 ga. wire. The cathode requires at least the same. How are you going to stuff 40 inches of wire in that small container? Also, the 7805 is a 5V regulator and requires 7V to operate. The LM117 only needs 3V, so it would provide more voltage to the rods. But it has a minimum load current of 5mA. This means the anode and cathode each have 5 inches of wetted length, which is much more reasonable. The only problem remaining is the maximum output voltage of 37V. This puts the system on the exponential part of the current-vs-time curve, so the results would be subject to the normal process variations of purity of the distilled water, ion channel formation, and hydrogen bubbles forming at the cathode. Same old problems. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDMSO and eyes
no - Original Message - From: Jay Ice To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 3:31 AM Subject: CSDMSO and eyes When I spray my face with CS mixed with DMSO I have been careful not to get it in my eyes but Some did get into them and it stung. I don't want to do that again but is it harmful if it gets in your eyes? Jay PJAY -- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
Re: CSsilver wire
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Re: CSquestion on cs vs. ionic silver
Marshall, When Frank Key tested some of my HVAC EIS he measured it a 99.4% ionic. the PPM was 15. The extra wide anode LVDC makes 98+ ionic at 35 ppm. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAttaching 12 gage silver wire electrodes to container lid
Mike and Jim, When I use a 5 high x 8 wide anode formed into a 2 radius and a centrally located 3/64dia. x 7 cathode, 35 volts with a LM317 plus a 100 ohm adj. resistor (12.6 ma reg), two gallons of DW, I get 29.5 PPM measured with my spectrophotometer in 5.5 hours. I have a submerged fish pump for stirring. The T.E. is visible only in a dark room. If you want to see the data plot you have to have Wplot32.exe which can be sent off the list as it is 380 kB. I have several dozen data plots for many setups. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAttaching 12 gage silver wire electrodes to container lid
Re: CSAttaching 12 gage silver wire electrodes to container lid From: Robert Berger Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 15:03:24 Mike and Jim, When I use a 5 high x 8 wide anode formed into a 2 radius and a centrally located 3/64 dia. x 7 cathode, 35 volts with a LM317 plus a 100 ohm adj. resistor (12.6 ma reg), two gallons of DW, I get 29.5 PPM measured with my spectrophotometer in 5.5 hours. [...] Ole Bob Thanks for the information. The current density at the anode is 12.6 / (5 * 8) = 0.315 mA / sq. in. A 3/64 dia rod has a circumference of 0.046875 * pi = 0.147 inch, so the current density at the cathode is 12.6 / (7 * 0.147) = 12.2 mA / sq. in. This is a bit high. Unless I goofed somewhere, I'd be surprised if the LM317 goes into current limiting right away. What is the initial voltage across the rods when power is first applied? Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAttaching 12 gage silver wire electrodes to container lid
Hi Mike, It takes 5.25 hours to go into regulation. Your numbrs are correct. I will sen you off list the Wplot 32.exe and some data plots. You will be surprised. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAttaching 12 gage silver wire electrodes to container lid
Re: CSAttaching 12 gage silver wire electrodes to container lid From: Jim Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:37:10 I use 12 ga. wire, 12 inches long and put 2 of them connected to the anode. That gives me 24 inches. The rods don't have to be a continuous length as long as you have them connected properly. I don't use the LM117, I use a regulator that I made using the LM334Z with a 30 VDC power supply that I robbed from an unused printer that I have.. My current limiter limits the current to 3.4 mA. I don't see why you feel that you need 40 inches of wire, I make 15 to 20 PPM CS in about 24 hours at 3.4 mA. If I were to use 20 mA I would produce my CS much faster, and am not sure that is good to make it that fast. Jim Hi Jim, The LM334 is a great regulator below 10mA. It needs only 1V to operate, so you get more delivered to the rods. http://www.national.com/ds.cgi/LM/LM134.pdf The key to your system is the large surface area of your rods and the low operating current. Assuming equal anode and cathode area, you are running at a current density of 3.4mA / 24 sq. in. = 0.141 mA/sq in, which is about the lowest I've seen posted. With this low a current density, the initial voltage across the rods will also be quite low. This means the LM334 is probably able to go into current limiting right away, or very soon after power is applied. So you probably get good repeatability. Just because a current regulator is designed for 20 mA doesn't mean it will deliver that current. It needs a low enough load resistance so it doesn't go into saturation. To run at 20mA and keep the same current density as you now have, you would need 20 / 0.141 = 141 square inches, or 11.7 feet of 12 ga. wire for each electrode. That's a lot of wire! You can run at a higher current density, but this means the initial voltage will also be higher. At typical current density of 1 mA sq. in, the initial voltage is usually well above the voltage provided by a 7805, LM117, or LM334. (Of course, it also depends on the quality of the dw.) This means the system has to operate on the exponential portion of the curve until the current builds up enough to reach current limiting. This makes it dependent on the quality of the dw, hydrogen bubbles at the cathode, ion channels, etc. So the repeatabilty suffers. If you want to use a higher current density, you need a higher voltage from the regulator. But these current regulators cannot work above 40V. A series pass transistor can be used at higher voltages, but they are vulnerable to failing shorted from ESD. A CLD can be used up to 100V, but they are also vulnerable to failing shorted due to ESD. With high voltages, this could be lethal. To summarize, you have a good system. But you can't increase the current by a factor of 20/3.4 = 5.88 and expect it to work the same. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAttaching 12 gage silver wire electrodes to container lid
Hi Mike, It takes 5.25 hours to go into regulation. Your numbrs are correct. I will sen you off list the Wplot 32.exe and some data plots. You will be surprised. Ole Bob Thanks. I guess the stirring helps kill the ion channels, but I'm not sure it would do much for hydrogen bubbles at the cathode, unless the fish pump output was directed right to them. I'd really like to look at your plots, but I can't run your program. I'm using Win 3.11 and Linux. It might run under WINE, but I don't have that installed either. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH2o2
Makes it taste truly nasty. paula - Original Message - From: Jay Ice guess...@msn.com What doesH2o2 do when you put it in your CS? Jay -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH2o2
Hmm, I got the opposite result--I added some H202 to a batch of very yellow CS and eventually it went clear, but the TE actually increased a whole lot. paula - Original Message - From: Robb Allen rube2...@hotmail.com I don't know the mechanism..however...it breaks up the particles and the tyndall effect vanishes..turns it into ionic silver...Robb' -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH2o2
Ohhh yea. Very nasty. Once I didn't remember to mix H2o2 with water and used it straight for a mouth wash... Mouth full of foam... and almost threw up from the taste... And when I used to put H2o2 in my CS, some times too much. .. It definetely was hard to get down. Jay ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:51:32 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSH2o2 Makes it taste truly nasty. paula - Original Message - From: Jay Ice guess...@msn.com What doesH2o2 do when you put it in your CS? Jay -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com attachment: IMSTP.gif
Re: CScancer
Thanks, Jess! I've forwarded this to my sister. Sorry for the long delay in acknowledging your email... aol email was not working well when your mail came in, and sends took forever. I put it aside until the problem was solved. Best wishes, Taylor There's www.cureamerica.net Jess By the rude bridge that arched the flood, Their flag to April's breeze unfurled, Here once the embattled farmers stood, And fired the shot heard round the world. --Emerson
Re: CSCS, Crohns, Lupus
Dear Nia, Recently I wrote someone about the nutritional/kinesiology system developed by Michael Lebowitz of Colorado. Using kinesiology and probably Thorne products, a chiropractor here (trained by Lebowitz) has had great success with crohns. He said that one person was on the eve of having a great deal of intestine removed, and the operation was entirely avoided, and healing occurred. Lebowitz's number is 970-257-0311. Your sister can ask who he has trained in her area. Best wishes, Taylor Nancy, Is it possible to email you off-list to discuss treating lupus and crohns with CS. My Mom has skin (discoid) lupus, and my sister is a long-time sufferer of crohns (and a slave to prednisone and now Remicade). I am the wacky sister with the abnormal ideas about medicine. They all shake their heads and wonder what I'll come up with next. I finally think they might just be starting to listen, and then they see the gray lady or blue politician on TV, and that's that. It would be interesting for my sister to hear from someone with success against Crohns. Thanks, Nia
Re: CSH2o2
usually if that happens it is because the cs was too newlet the cs age a week first...then try itRobb - Original Message - From: sol pcar...@wyoming.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:53 PM Subject: Re: CSH2o2 Hmm, I got the opposite result--I added some H202 to a batch of very yellow CS and eventually it went clear, but the TE actually increased a whole lot. paula - Original Message - From: Robb Allen rube2...@hotmail.com I don't know the mechanism..however...it breaks up the particles and the tyndall effect vanishes..turns it into ionic silver...Robb' -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH2o2
they you are all describing this is nothing like my experience with it.doesn't taste any different to me...Robb - Original Message - From: Jay Ice To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: Re: CSH2o2 Ohhh yea. Very nasty. Once I didn't remember to mix H2o2 with water and used it straight for a mouth wash... Mouth full of foam... and almost threw up from the taste... And when I used to put H2o2 in my CS, some times too much It definetely was hard to get down. Jay ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:51:32 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSH2o2 Makes it taste truly nasty. paula - Original Message - From: Jay Ice guess...@msn.com What doesH2o2 do when you put it in your CS? Jay -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here attachment: IMSTP.gif
RE: CSMultiMeter Question
You can say what you like and calculate it all day long but it doesn't change the fact that I consistently get 1.7ma from a LM317 with a 1K resister. I have built 10 machines this way and everyone of them limit the current to 1.7ma. I get approximately 10ppm in 3 hours consistently on all 10 machines. And my offer for the schematic includes the power supply and the stirrer. And a full parts list including sources for the parts (some of them hard to find such as the motor for $2.50 which is a surplus microwave oven turntable motor stirring at 30 rotations per minute). My process has no problems, it gives me the same product repeatedly. And I wanted to tell you I felt insulted by your reply. It seemed an attempt to belittle my offer to post my schematic (yeah its no big deal for an electronics tech but there are lots of people on this list who are not), and a false attack on my process. Instead of attacking what I said I suggest you get an LM317 and see what I'm telling you is true. Dave At 10:42 AM 5/7/03, you wrote: You may have found one that works, but if you read the specification, the minimum load current for the LM317 with 40V differential is 3.5 to 10mA, and the LM117 is 3.5 to 5mA. The LM117 is better than the LM317, but neither device is guaranteed to work outside the specifications. No doubt you are making cs, since you are applying current. But many people have posted discussions on the unrepeatability of their process, and some even think the phase of the moon has some effect. I think a lot of problems people have been having, aside from variations in the purity of the distilled water, is the low voltage normally used, and unreliable current regulation. Your circuit certainly falls in this category. Best Regards, Mike Monett +- Solomons Porch -+ ¦ http://pages.sbcglobal.net/davebe/¦ ¦ David Bearrow ¦ ¦dav...@sbcglobal.net.net¦ + Phone: (972)722-8319 + -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH2o2
Hi EIS'ers, I hate being a bit cynical, but if you make the stuff correctly you will not need to fiddle around with correcting your errors with H2O2. :-( Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH2o2
Robb, Do you mean let it age before adding peroxide or let it age after adding the peroxide and before re-testing the TE? Actually, I believe I did leave it quite a while before adding the H202, and again left it to sit a couple weeks before re-checking TE. It really kinda threw me, because I have read so often that adding H202 makes the CS revert to ionic or reduces particle size (or something to that effect) that I was expecting reduced TE, but instead it was very noticeably increased. A rather spectacularly dense, wide and well defined TE, very strong. The uS, tested with the PWT, went down though, which is what would be expected if further agglomeration had occured, right? Maybe its just me, but weird things are always happening with my CS. paula - Original Message - From: Robb Allen rube2...@hotmail.com usually if that happens it is because the cs was too newlet the cs age a week first...then try itRobb - Original Message - From: sol pcar...@wyoming.com Hmm, I got the opposite result--I added some H202 to a batch of very yellow CS and eventually it went clear, but the TE actually increased a whole lot. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH2o2
Just from my own personal experiencelet the CS age a week before adding h2o2but you can't let it sit around after you add it.it must be used fairly soon after that because it will begin to precipitate...I've never kept some around and observed how long that takes but it does happen. (takes days or even weeks to occur)...if after adding 1 drop of h2o2 per 2 ounces of cs it remains cloudy after 30 minutes...then it needs a little more h2o2. Once again, I'm not saying that it becomes more effective...I don't know if it does or not. Alot of people argue that it does...and alot say the oppositeI can say that it DOES still work..regardless of what people say.perhaps ionic may work better for some pathogens while particulate works better for othersI don't know.Robb - Original Message - From: sol pcar...@wyoming.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:58 PM Subject: Re: CSH2o2 Robb, Do you mean let it age before adding peroxide or let it age after adding the peroxide and before re-testing the TE? Actually, I believe I did leave it quite a while before adding the H202, and again left it to sit a couple weeks before re-checking TE. It really kinda threw me, because I have read so often that adding H202 makes the CS revert to ionic or reduces particle size (or something to that effect) that I was expecting reduced TE, but instead it was very noticeably increased. A rather spectacularly dense, wide and well defined TE, very strong. The uS, tested with the PWT, went down though, which is what would be expected if further agglomeration had occured, right? Maybe its just me, but weird things are always happening with my CS. paula - Original Message - From: Robb Allen rube2...@hotmail.com usually if that happens it is because the cs was too newlet the cs age a week first...then try itRobb - Original Message - From: sol pcar...@wyoming.com Hmm, I got the opposite result--I added some H202 to a batch of very yellow CS and eventually it went clear, but the TE actually increased a whole lot. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH2o2
I am with Bob Berger on this. Keep it as natural as can be. But to each his own. Good luck. Jay ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:48:22 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSH2o2 Just from my own personal experiencelet the CS age a week before adding h2o2but you can't let it sit around after you add it.it must be used fairly soon after that because it will begin to precipitate...I've never kept some around and observed how long that takes but it does happen. (takes days or even weeks to occur)...if after adding 1 drop of h2o2 per 2 ounces of cs it remains cloudy after 30 minutes...then it needs a little more h2o2. Once again, I'm not saying that it becomes more effective...I don't know if it does or not. Alot of people argue that it does...and alot say the oppositeI can say that it DOES still work..regardless of what people say.perhaps ionic may work better for some pathogens while particulate works better for othersI don't know.Robb - Original Message - From: sol pcar...@wyoming.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:58 PM Subject: Re: CSH2o2 Robb, Do you mean let it age before adding peroxide or let it age after adding the peroxide and before re-testing the TE? Actually, I believe I did leave it quite a while before adding the H202, and again left it to sit a couple weeks before re-checking TE. It really kinda threw me, because I have read so often that adding H202 makes the CS revert to ionic or reduces particle size (or something to that effect) that I was expecting reduced TE, but instead it was very noticeably increased. A rather spectacularly dense, wide and well defined TE, very strong. The uS, tested with the PWT, went down though, which is what would be expected if further agglomeration had occured, right? Maybe its just me, but weird things are always happening with my CS. paula - Original Message - From: Robb Allen rube2...@hotmail.com usually if that happens it is because the cs was too newlet the cs age a week first...then try itRobb - Original Message - From: sol pcar...@wyoming.com Hmm, I got the opposite result--I added some H202 to a batch of very yellow CS and eventually it went clear, but the TE actually increased a whole lot. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com attachment: IMSTP.gif
CSCS/EIS...Bob Berger
What is a colloid? If I am wrong on what it is, forgive me... A colloid is a mixture that has molecules/atoms evenly dispersed so calling it CS is really just a vague description of what we take. But the correct name for what we take is Electrically Isolated Colloidal Silver, (E.I.C.S.)? I just want to know what you think... If you think different I am open to the correction. Jayattachment: IMSTP.gif
Re: CSH2o2
I don't know the answer to any of your questions. All you do is reply with sarcasm and wit of some kind. Why is your face in such bad shape? What has caused your acne? Is it food allergies or what? Why did you think to use garlic on it? Have you read or done any research on the internet for your problems or do you just want someone else to do it for you? DL Jay Ice wrote: Oh my god... duh... why don't I know the answer to this? H2o2 A.K.A. Hydrogen Peroxide Indications/Uses : For topical uses as an anti-septic to help prevent infection in minor cuts, burns and abrasions, or to cleanse the mouth. DIRECTLY READ FROM ON THE BOTTLE!!! Ohhh Duh! It kills germs. Well oh my, why would I ask such a question? Wow put an anti-septic in another anti-septic. Ohhh garsh Dummy me What an obvious answer. Oh wait no it isn't so obvious... well darn who ever thought it was be sure to fill me in! The whole thread is about makeing CS 100% ionic. So how does it work, How does the H2o2 do that makes it ionic? Again I ask what does H2o2 do when you put it in CS? Jay ---Original Message--- From: li...@ev1.net Date: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:28:38 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSH2o2 Good Grief! Try it and find out! What does it do anywhere you put it? Jay Ice wrote: What doesH2o2 do when you put it in your CS? Jay -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Common sense 101
Dear Jay Ice, I do NOT know very much but I do know that I won't be replying to any of your posts any more. DL Jay Ice wrote: Common sense, huh?... I don't know but, common sense isn't too common in the least... but I'm sure I have it. The whole point of asking if it is harmless or harmful, I think is useing common sense. I would think it does make sense to ask, better to be safe than sorry. Oh but I guess that your point of the comment would be, if it stings then that should tell you not to put it in your eyes. Spraying my face with a CS/DMSO mix stings...a lot! But no pain no gain. Even though it stings it works with out causing harm, so if my eyes sting could that be good or bad? Well I don't know, so that is why I asked. Between logic and common sense I wanted to make sure, since the eye tissue is a lot more sensitive than the skin it may have harmful effects unlike the skin... any way that is what I would think. And I hope you don't mind my asking but what is with everyone throwing smart ass comments every time a question is asked? Geeze what was I thinking asking a question on a list meant for talk about CS and it's uses.?. I guess I should just know, huh? I may ask a lot of questions that may sound stupid to you, ya know to someone of such high intelligence and common sense, or I may ask questions that may seem like I already have the answer... but I don't. Your perception or anyones perception doesn't make it right. I don't say things just to try to sound stupid or smart or gain acceptance or cause trouble... it is what it is... a question. Sometimes I just need to be verified to make sure I am on the right track. Well I hope you change your thinking one day, you can't tell someone anything who knows everything. So what is the point of sending this? Jay ---Original Message--- From: li...@ev1.net Date: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:25:03 PM To: Jay Ice Subject: Re: CSDMSO and eyes Just a teensy little bit of common sense could go a long way. But. DL -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT: Migraines
I would recommend a colon cleanse- followed by a liver cleanse. Then EDTA therapy-orally. TJ Garland, CMO supplier there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people. From: Jeff jd...@anaweb.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSOT: Migraines Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 01:48:52 -0500 I know this is off topic. The only reason I am posting this here is I believe most everyone on this is like minded when it comes to natural ways of treatment and healing vs. prescriptions and over the counter stuff, and this is the only list I belong to or know about. So I apologize if this is too big of a bending in the rules and won't do it again. My sis (34) my son (11) and myself (39) all suffer from sever migraine headaches. My sis has the kind that last for months at a time and she has been to every Dr. in town and tried almost everything by which I mean every drug the docs can come up with and even bow tox injections in her neck which made her much worse. Mine are more sporadic cluster migraines that last for a few days and nothing I try helps. And I get headaches about every day which I treat pretty successfully with the Walmart brand of Excedrin called Equate. Two or three of them and I am good to go usually. My son is my biggest concern. He gets headaches like me. We have been to dr's and have had test's, x-ray's, eye exams, MRI's, and teeth checked trying to find a reason. This started a few years ago when he had a crash at the skating ring here in town. Zigged and should have zagged. Since then he has had these headaches and has double vision episodes. My wife says his eyes look crossed sometimes. Anyhow the reason I am posting this is because all we can do so far to help him is give him children's Motrin (3 tablets). Problem is that he is getting these headaches 2,3,and 4 times a week now. I don't like him taking all that ibuprofen so often. Seems like I read somewhere that it bad for the liver. Can anyone offer any alternatives for treatment of these headaches? There are times it hurts him so bad he cry's and sometimes in the mornings and we have to give him Motrin for breakfast and send him to school hoping relief will come for him soon. He has had prescription med's but they didn't help him and we tried the Motrin really just to see what would happen and it helps him most of the time. I debated a couple of weeks about posting this here and decided I would hate to miss a chance to help him. And again I am sorry if I stepped over the line. Jeff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
CSbread formula
There were several who asked for the formula that didn't include their e-mail address. They were Peter R., sk, twll, Rebecca Mac, Henry H. Simms, Marv Hacker. If I missed someone, just send your address to me at rresm...@attbi.com. I tried to send it to Ed Kasper but it wouldn't go. I'll try again tomorow. Bob
CSEAW
Can anyone help me to find good reputed producer of EAW genarators (and all necessary parts). Thanks in advance, Dr Miroslav F. Besermenji president -- IN-VET istitute P.PRERADOVICA 149 PO BOX 28 SR. MITROVICA 22000 VOJVODINA YUGOSLAVIA MB mailto:ina...@ptt.yu -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
