CSRe: The Presence of the Pase with The SARS Variants
Greetings There is an uploading of Prof Rupert Sheldrake's Morphic Resonance at: URL: http://lewfh.tripod.com/thehealingpropertiesofwater/ Please click What is Morphic Resonance A Malaysian professor from a local university has extracted what he named as Sea Ion from the Ocean. It has been tested as an anti-microbial. I have tried it as a broad-spectrum antiseptic and a vegetables /Fruits washer Since monkeys have been observed to wash their food with sea water before eating ,with others following,both local and distant, there must be a mysterious purpose in this human-like practice acquired by Morphic Resonance. Has anybody examined or isolated Sars Variants from the oceanic brine and can the Sars Variants survive in sea water ? Constituents of Sea Water Sea-water is 96.5 % pure water. The remaining 3.5 % consists of dissolved material of which some of the more abundant components are: Chlorine ion (55 %) Sodium ion (30.6 %) Sulphate ion (7.7 %) Magnesium ion (3.7 %) Potassium ion (1.1 %) The holography of our oceanic ancestry shows itself in the fluid/mineral compostion of our body in the River of Life , the blood stream and tissue fluids which form Claude Bernard's Milieu Interieur and in the tidal rising and ebbing of our urine. The entrained electromagnetic intelligence in the water molecules is the specific signature of the entity, be it a a human cell, bacterium,fungus,yeast,parasite virus,chemical or heavy metal Vibrational Medicine - Lew With regards Lew
Re: CSSilver Generation with ULVDC
The term ion cloud has the quotation marks because that's the common language used. Actually, it's a particle cloud. Ions are too small to see...too small to reflect the visible wavelength of light that you CAN see. Plate out would be like a silver spot on the container due to the 'particle cloud' coming too close to the side r bottom as it follows a conductive track from electrode to electrode. Some oxide plate out will generally be apparent as a black spot too. Sufficient stirring eliminates that effect. Excessive stirring seems to make it worse but more evenly distributed. I think that it, like the yellow deposit is also an inertial thing but from a different angle. The yellow deposit left of the container that vanished when exposed to H2O2 is 'sorta' like plateout but rather than being made by electrical action [under electrical direction?], I think it is actually an inertial collision effect of large particles inpacting the container sides. It doesn't appear till the yellow batch of CS is left in the container for some time. Ken At 07:25 PM 5/10/2003 -0400, you wrote: Hi, Dave. Here are two updates to my previous post with a bit more information. Re: CSSilver Generation with ULVDC From: Mike Monett Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:13:34 [...] and we can observe silver oxide forming at the cathode and streaming away in a mist. Actually, the black film that collects on the anode and cathode has been identified by others as silver oxide. Now, silver particles and silver oxide are both black, and both conduct electricity. These people are much more competent than me, so I trust their identification as silver oxide. But the mist that streams away from the cathode may be something else. Ken (Ode Coyote) calls it an ion cloud. This seems plausible, but why doesn't it dissipate due to the ion charge? Normally, when I got the mist with any of my previous processes, the solution turned yellow and plated out. Coyote Enterprises has some excellent photos on his site showing this. There is a picture of the plateout at the bottom of this page. Click on the link after the phrase Eventually, it sticks to the sides of the container. http://silverpuppy.com/colloidal%20silver%20and%20the%20process.html Here is a beautiful sequence showing the mist dissipating after thermal stirring is turned on: http://silverpuppy.com/thermal%20stir%20sequence.html I get the same kind of mist with the ULVDC process without stirring, but it doesn't seem to want to plate out. I was sure the last batch I made with a 9V battery and a 51k series resistor would plate out, since it generated a great deal of mist. It is a bit turbid, and the salt test shows it is quite strong, but there is no sign of yellowing. In fact, none of the batches I have made since I started the ULVDC process have shown any sign of turning yellow and plating out. The salt test show it keeps the same strength as it had originally. [...] Anyway, free electrons do not survive for long in water. This is worth a bit more explaining. The electron would quickly hit an ion and neutralize it. So the lifetime of a free electron is very short. What happens to them after that is the Art of Colloidal Silver! Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Generation with Solar Panels
Yes But you can also just use 12 volts and it'll work just fine..a bit slower and probably make better CS because of the slowdown. Ken At 11:54 PM 5/10/2003 -0400, you wrote: Just got my 12 VDC 1.5 watt Solar Panels from Harbor Freight. Could I connect 3 panels in series to produce 36 VDC? This would be a way to generate CS if the power was out or out camping. Brickey -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMore Questions for Ole Bob
ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: Dear Sir (Ole Bob) You've probably run more experiments on the production of CS than most so I am addressing this question to you. Have you ever tried distilling water off of CS to increase the concentration? If so, what were your results? As always, thank you for your time. Andy You might be able to if you use vacuum distillation. But if you boil it, you will likely aggregate the particles, doing moe harm than good. Marshall
Re: CSXylitol/SARS
What about spraying the eyes? Several reports indicate that one transmission route is through the tear ducts of the eyes. Marshall TJ Garland wrote: From commomswnsemedicine.com Washing the nose regularly should also help to prevent SARS if you plan on traveling to an area where it is a problem. A son who regularly sprays his nose stayed at the hotel in Hong Kong at the hotel where SARS broke out of China into the rest of the world, and did not have any problems. One or two examples do make a good case for claims, but the logic is hard to refute. If you have a problem that starts in the nose then regularly washing your nose may help reduce the problem. the above is about a xylitol nasal spray From: Maja Hristozova majahristoz...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSXylitol Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 20:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Here is Xylitol website: http://www.nasal-xylitol.com/ _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMore Questions for Ole Bob
CS is extremely powerful. I suspect that the stronger CS has larger particles, and are thus less effective. But if you start with strong then dilute, and the diluted is better, there has to be something more. I have found that if you put CS into an acid environment, it will rapidly aggregate. Also the more concentrated the CS the more rapid the aggregation and the larger the resulting particles. The stomach is of course acid and could explain this, but these tests were done in vitro, so it might not apply. It would be helpful if I knew what the protocol was on this, and what the CS was mixed with. Marshall ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: Ole Bob, Thank you for the response. The studies you mention are fascinating, although a little hard for me to understand. I grew up in an era that taught if a little is good, a lot is better. Do you have any theories on why a diluted solution of CS would be more effective than a more concentrated one? The whole idea of this leaves me baffled. PS - Keep up the good work creating, duplicating and documenting different protocols for the manufacture of CS. I think we all appreciate your work. I know that I do. Best Regards, Andy From: Robert Berger Andy, The question is, why do you want to concentrate the CS??? Several months ago Hawheye, Jensen co. published an invitro study where they used 20 ppm, diluted to 10 ppm, diluted to 3 ppm, and diluted to 1 ppm.. They had two bacteria and two viri in the study. The results were amazing They only published the results of the 3, 10, and 20 ppm as that is what they sold. The 3 ppm was several orders of magnitude more effective than either the 10 or 20, and the 10 was more effective than the 20. Stephen Quintro of natural-immunogenics raised the question as to why they didn't publish the data for the 1 ppm, as his studies showed that 1 ppm was the most effective. To back that up recently I did some development for a European company, and they shared this information with me. One of their customers has a 1,60,000 sq. ft. greenhouse that was used to raise cucumbers. It developed a mosaic and the government said plow it up and replant with another crop. My contact gave them 15 ppm CS and said to dilute 1 to 1000, which made 20 to 40 ppb. That's right parts per billion!!! In four weeks time the greenhouse was clean and the owner said that the cucumbers were the largest he had ever raised. We Americans has the strange idea that more is better. It would be worth your while to look into homeopathy, where medicines are diluted as much as 10,000 to 1 or more. As for making various protocols of CS I just received my 16th box of Hach chemicals for my spect.. and each box will make 50 tests. About 350 test have been for others. the balance, 400, have been for my own investigations. Every new protocol someone comes up with I try and log the data. Not all of it gets plotted Ole Bob
Re: CSchest congestion--nebulizer--proportions
A friend of mine's mother has emphysema so bad her feet are turning blue from lack of oxygen and they had to cut off one of her toes. She has agreed to try the Brooks Bradley oxygen/CS/MSM/DMSO nebulizer experimental protocol. She quit smoking over 5 years ago but it has left its damage. I intend to use the following mix which I found searching the archives: Starting with 8 ounces of 10 ppm CS warmed to approx. 105 degrees F.) dissolve methyl sulphonyl methane (MSM) in this solution to the point of saturation (until no more will go into solution); he next added 20%--by volume--(approximately 2 fluid ounces of DMSO, undiluted) to the parent mixture. The patient used approximately 3/4 of an ounce of liquid (in the smaller of the aribrush fluid supply vials). every 4 hours. http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m37693.html I will let you all know how it goes. At 11:08 PM 5/11/03, you wrote: I have forgotten the correct proportions, but it is something like this---dissolve as much msm in cs as is possible. Then use about 90 to 95 % of this mix with the rest dmso. Nebulize. Not too long at first as you may create a lot of mucus. I forget how often to do this. The http://www.silvermedicine.orgwww.silvermedicine.org site has a lot of information, but I don't think they have this particular protocol, though B. Bradley certainly knows all of it. In fact, I think he originated it and he is ( I think) largely the author and owner of this site. Sorry I am not more certain of so much!! You will enjoy the site anyway. pj Do you Yahoo!? http://us.rd.yahoo.com/search/mailsig/*http://search.yahoo.comThe New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. +- Bentonite Clay for sale-+ http://pages.sbcglobal.net/davebe/clay.html ¦ David Bearrow ¦ ¦ dav...@sbcglobal.net ¦ + Phone: (972)722-8319 + -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSstirring CS also Lyme
Was this the $99 maker from silverpuppy.com? - Original Message - From: william meyer wme...@clarityconnect.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 2:23 PM Subject: CSstirring CS also Lyme i do want to say -perhaps again- that i am very happy with my silvergen colloidal silver maker. for those of you willing to pay a little more it has the built in stirring device. tho i haven't checked ppm, the silver water i make is absolutely clear yet has a metallic taste. i think the automatic stirring really helps. others have mentioned thermal stirring and this method may be excellent too. finally, even in my current low doses (ounce of 10ppm (guessed at) per day), i feel my lyme disease symptoms have been improved. i have better energy and less arthritis. i am also adding a tablespoon of MSM to each ounce. -- best william meyer -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Generation with Solar Panels
Re: CSCS Generation with Solar Panels From: Ode Coyote Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 05:08:52 At 11:54 PM 5/10/2003 -0400, you wrote: Just got my 12 VDC 1.5 watt Solar Panels from Harbor Freight. Could I connect 3 panels in series to produce 36 VDC? This would be a way to generate CS if the power was out or out camping. Brickey Yes But you can also just use 12 volts and it'll work just fine..a bit slower and probably make better CS because of the slowdown. Ken It will work great! The reason is the initial resistance of dw is not constant with applied voltage. It decreases, so the initial current will still be enough to get the process started. Put a 33k to 75k in series to limit the current to ~200 uA per square inch of wetted surface. This is the ULVDC process (ULV for short). Run for 4 to 6 hrs and test with salt. Try it with an ordinary battery to verify. You will be very pleased with the results. The lower voltage gradient means the ion cloud at the cathode is not as concentrated. This reduces the probability the ions will form particles, and the particles that do form are smaller. So they don't coat the cathode with as much black crud, and don't fall to the bottom of the glass. The glass doesn't become coated with black stuff that you have to clean off, and less silver is wasted. More silver stays in solution, so it does a better job when you drink it. I sometimes get a faint straw color after several hours, but none of the stuff I've made has turned yellow and plated out. The stuff I made before was highly prone to plateout. More information should be posted soon. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMore Questions for Ole Bob
That is very interesting about the very diluted CS working so well. Do you know if homeopathic CS has ever been made/tested ? Though perhaps, am I right in thinking, its beneficial powers in homeopathic dilution may not be antibacterial but something else ? Has anyone out there ever tried 1ppm CS for an infection and if so has it been effective? Have any in vitro tests been done with these dilute solutions? Best, Sheila -Original Message- From: Robert Berger [mailto:bober...@swbell.net] Sent: 12 May 2003 00:39 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMore Questions for Ole Bob Andy, The question is, why do you want to concentrate the CS??? Several months ago Hawheye, Jensen co. published an invitro study where they used 20 ppm, diluted to 10 ppm, diluted to 3 ppm, and diluted to 1 ppm.. They had two bacteria and two viri in the study. The results were amazing They only published the results of the 3, 10, and 20 ppm as that is what they sold. The 3 ppm was several orders of magnitude more effective than either the 10 or 20, and the 10 was more effective than the 20. Stephen Quintro of natural-immunogenics raised the question as to why they didn't publish the data for the 1 ppm, as his studies showed that 1 ppm was the most effective. To back that up recently I did some development for a European company, and they shared this information with me. One of their customers has a 1,60,000 sq. ft. greenhouse that was used to raise cucumbers. It developed a mosaic and the government said plow it up and replant with another crop. My contact gave them 15 ppm CS and said to dilute 1 to 1000, which made 20 to 40 ppb. That's right parts per billion!!! In four weeks time the greenhouse was clean and the owner said that the cucumbers were the largest he had ever raised. We Americans has the strange idea that more is better. It would be worth your while to look into homeopathy, where medicines are diluted as much as 10,000 to 1 or more. As for making various protocols of CS I just received my 16th box of Hach chemicals for my spect.. and each box will make 50 tests. About 350 test have been for others. the balance, 400, have been for my own investigations. Every new protocol someone comes up with I try and log the data. Not all of it gets plotted Ole Bob A -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmold headaches garlic
on 5/10/03 11:38 AM, Tony Moody at a...@new.co.za wrote: Hi Mike, What does mold infection feel like?? I too think this is happening to me or else it is too much humidity in the house. In any case it is driving me crazy. You say properly prepared garlic what is that??? Mary Hi Mike, Sorry to hear about your mold infection. That is not easy to live with. Could you please say what it means to 'properly prepare' garlic. And also how do you take it, and can you say how it reduces the headaches and repairs the toxin damage? Regards, Tony Mike Monett wrote: I suffered a heavy exposure to toxic mold several years ago. Besides completely wrecking my health, it gave me constant, intense headaches that make it difficult to focus. I guess it shows up in my writing. Again, I apologize. The doctors are no help. I have found by trial and error some things that do. Diet is important, and cs helps fight illness and repair the damage. But the biggest thing I found was crushed garlic. Properly prepared, it reduces the severity of the headaches and helps repair the damage from the toxins. But it still takes time. I think in another three or four months, I should be back to normal. In the meantime, please bear with me - I'm trying my best. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver Generation with ULVDC
Re: CSSilver Generation with ULVDC From: Ode Coyote Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 05:01:53 The term ion cloud has the quotation marks because that's the common language used. Actually, it's a particle cloud. Ions are too small to see...too small to reflect the visible wavelength of light that you CAN see. Plate out would be like a silver spot on the container due to the 'particle cloud' coming too close to the side r bottom as it follows a conductive track from electrode to electrode. Some oxide plate out will generally be apparent as a black spot too. Sufficient stirring eliminates that effect. Excessive stirring seems to make it worse but more evenly distributed. I think that it, like the yellow deposit is also an inertial thing but from a different angle. [...] Ken Hi Ken, You are right. The cloud has to be particles. But how do they form? The ion has to grab an electron from somewhere, which will eventually come from the cathode. But the cathode and anode current must be equal, so some other process has to take place to equalize the current in the series circuit. When the ions arrive at the cathode, they can't all grab an electron and jump onto the cathode. Hydrogen is produced at the cathode, which requires electrons. So the ions have to wait their turn, and they form an invisible cloud around the cathode. (This is similar to the space charge of electrons around the cathode in a vacuum tube, so all the old hams should easily see this concept.) With the conventional process, the voltage across the cell may start at 30V, then decrease after the regulator goes into current limiting. The high voltage gradient increases the ion velocity, so they arrive at the cathode sooner. (For the ion velocity equation, see Ivan's excellent post on electrolysis at:) http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m46719.html When the ions arrive, the high voltage gradient keeps them close to the cathode, which means the ion cloud will be quite dense. This increases the probability that the ions which have found an electron will be close to other atoms, and Brownian motion will bring them close enough so the Van der Walls force can start the agglomeration. The dense cloud also means the particles will grow larger. So the idea that a high current rips large particles off the anode may be incorrect. The high current means a higher voltage across the cell, which means a denser ion cloud at the cathode. The particles are not produced at the anode, but come from the ion cloud around the cathode. So we have been barking up the wrong tree, and I am the worst offender. (See my 130VDC article at:) http://www3.sympatico.ca/add.automation/misc/130vdc.htm A high voltage is not needed to get appreciable conduction with typical distilled water. The initial conductance of distilled water is not constant with applied voltage. It increases as applied voltage increases, which is why everyone uses the highest voltage they can get without destroying their current regulator. With the ULV process, the initial voltage across the electrodes is only 2V to 4V. This is an order of magnitude less than conventional systems, but the initial current may still be 180uA. This is in the same ballpark as I used to get with 27 Volts from 3 nines! With the low voltage, the ion velocity is an order of magnitude less, so the ions take longer to reach the cathode. This means more time for ion production before we start running into problems with the ion cloud forming at the cathode. When the cloud starts to form, the lower voltage gradient means the cloud density is much less than before. This means the ions that have found an electron have less probability of interacting, so fewer particles are produced. This means less silver is wasted as the black residue when we wipe the rods. Because the cloud is less dense, the particles that do form are smaller, so they don't have as much tendency to fall to the bottom and form a black smudge. And the sides of the glass stay clear instead of turning black. And the solution doesn't turn yellow and plate out. Stirring is not needed to get high quality cs. Here is a run I started this morning: Mon May 12, 2003, 09:04:56 am 4.374V 180uA Mon May 12, 2003, 12:05:01 pm 3.024V 240uA Mon May 12, 2003, 12:44:32 pm 2.811V 250uA Mon May 12, 2003, 01:15:55 pm 2.517V 263uA I will let it go another couple of hours, but you can see the voltage across the cell is quite low. When I stop the run, it will be among the strongest cs I have ever made, and it will not turn yellow and plate out. Any comments? Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated
Re: CSCS Generation with Solar Panels
Here is the over night, isn't good but it does work. Start new CS solar test 8:07 pm 0.8 1 hr 1.6 2 hr 1.9 Boy is it slow. 3 hr 2.2 but it is making CS 4 hr 2.6 not fast but going I went to bed 12 hr 5.0 put outside 8:25am 9:25 5.2 10:25 5.6 11:25 5.7 something isn't right 12:25 6.0 1:40 pm 6.4 I quit I will drink this and go to my 15vdc again We do know it will work. As Ole Bob will say I don't know what I have but I do know it is something. I don't care what it is as long as it helps me. hdka writes: Ok I couldn't wait till dark. I retested the D/W and got 0.08 on Hanna I guess the old glass had something in it. I have it set up where no outside light can get to it. It is 100 watt light bulb. I am going to test it every hour. PS: Brickey if the light is blinking it is putting out juice. Start new CS solar test 8:07 pm 0.08 1 hr Will post in one hr. hdka writes: Brickey, I have a qt of D/W tested at 0.05 on Hanna set up now, As soon as the sun goes down and it gets dark I will put the solar panel under a 100 watt light bulb and see what happens, Let you know tomorrow Sincerely Yours, Hank. Very Interesting Sites http://www.babelmagazine.com http://hdka.stormpages.com/indexf.html http://www.babelmagazine.com/wing.html http://members.myecom.net/hdka/ct/ct.html http://www.idownline.com/sites/hdka/911.html http://www.idownline.com/sites/hdka/investigation77.html Now MyECom FreeMail gives you what you've been asking for. More storage space (10MB), large attachments that get delivered, WEB, IMAP, POP3 and SMTP access at no extra charge, Calendar, spell checker, mail filtering and auto-responders. http://freemail.myecom.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver Generation with ULVDC
Sorry, I goofed. I just said: The initial conductance of distilled water is not constant with applied voltage. It increases as applied voltage increases, which is why everyone uses the highest voltage they can get without destroying their current regulator. Sorry, I should have used resistance instead of conductance. From my post Silver Generation with ULVDC, Thu, 8 May 2003 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m58781.html The initial resistance is R = E / I = 2.01 / 155e-6 = 12967.742 ohms However, the previous 1.4 mA current had an initial resistance of 23k. This shows the initial resistance is not linear with current, but this is not too surprising. So the initial *resistance* increases with applied voltage, and the *conductance* goes down. Everyone assumes the resistance is constant, so they use the highest voltage available to get the process started. This means they need a constant current generator to avoid runaway. The high voltage across the cell also generates large particles that require stirring to solve. The process gets complicated, tricky, and expensive. A single resistor is all that is needed. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver Generation with ULVDC
Here is the result of this morning's run: Mon May 12, 2003, 09:04:56 am 4.374V 180uA Mon May 12, 2003, 12:05:01 pm 3.024V 240uA Mon May 12, 2003, 12:44:32 pm 2.811V 250uA Mon May 12, 2003, 01:15:55 pm 2.517V 263uA Mon May 12, 2003, 03:45:39 pm 2.013V 285Ua -- very small whisker on cathode Mon May 12, 2003, 04:35:30 pm 1.651V 301uA -- I shook the jar. No debris I shook it harder. Some small bits fell off the cathode, so I stopped the run. After wiping the rods, there was a negligible amount of black oxide in the tissue. The solution is clear. Three small flakes are floating on the surface, and I can see some very small bits on the bottom. I pour some in a small glass and add three shakes of salt. Instant response. The dispersion is milky blue white, very strong. I try it. It tastes fine. I can detect no metallic taste. Maybe my cs guinea pig will like it also. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSstirring CS also Lyme
silvergen uses motorized stirring silverpuppy uses thermal stirring. did have a $125 model that used motorized stirring, but no longer. ken #1 [aka Ode] At 10:17 AM 5/12/2003 -0500, you wrote: Was this the $99 maker from silverpuppy.com? - Original Message - From: william meyer wme...@clarityconnect.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 2:23 PM Subject: CSstirring CS also Lyme i do want to say -perhaps again- that i am very happy with my silvergen colloidal silver maker. for those of you willing to pay a little more it has the built in stirring device. tho i haven't checked ppm, the silver water i make is absolutely clear yet has a metallic taste. i think the automatic stirring really helps. others have mentioned thermal stirring and this method may be excellent too. finally, even in my current low doses (ounce of 10ppm (guessed at) per day), i feel my lyme disease symptoms have been improved. i have better energy and less arthritis. i am also adding a tablespoon of MSM to each ounce. -- best william meyer -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSParisite Elimination?
Hi, OK I have to do a parisite detox, but until I can get all the ingredients for this I am wondering will CS be of any help until I can get the stuff? Jay
Re: CSParisite Elimination?
FYI - dr.clarkia.com has individual cleanse ingredients as well as multiple cleanse combo packages. It may be worth checking out. - Original Message - From: Jay Ice To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 4:29 PM Subject: CSParisite Elimination? Hi, OK I have to do a parisite detox, but until I can get all the ingredients for this I am wondering will CS be of any help until I can get the stuff? Jay
Re: CSstirring CS also Lyme
Is the thermal stirring better than motorized? I was leaning toward purchasing the $99 model from silverpuppy.com based on feedback from others (I've only been on this site for a couple of weeks and am trying my best to learn). I'm waiting to have a little extra cash before purchasing, so was trying to research and find the best unit for my money...Thanks in advance for any and all input! - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 4:24 PM Subject: Re: CSstirring CS also Lyme silvergen uses motorized stirring silverpuppy uses thermal stirring. did have a $125 model that used motorized stirring, but no longer. ken #1 [aka Ode] At 10:17 AM 5/12/2003 -0500, you wrote: Was this the $99 maker from silverpuppy.com? - Original Message - From: william meyer wme...@clarityconnect.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 2:23 PM Subject: CSstirring CS also Lyme i do want to say -perhaps again- that i am very happy with my silvergen colloidal silver maker. for those of you willing to pay a little more it has the built in stirring device. tho i haven't checked ppm, the silver water i make is absolutely clear yet has a metallic taste. i think the automatic stirring really helps. others have mentioned thermal stirring and this method may be excellent too. finally, even in my current low doses (ounce of 10ppm (guessed at) per day), i feel my lyme disease symptoms have been improved. i have better energy and less arthritis. i am also adding a tablespoon of MSM to each ounce. -- best william meyer -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver Generation with ULVDC
Ken Hi Ken, You are right. The cloud has to be particles. But how do they form? ###Agglomeration [inertial collisions] and crystalization out of saturated solution. The solution is MORE saturated right near the electrodes. It's not clear if the crystal or agglomerated particle has a full or partial charge. The ion has to grab an electron from somewhere, which will eventually come from the cathode. But the cathode and anode current must be equal, so some other process has to take place to equalize the current in the series circuit. ### I imagine that an electron can be had from virtually nowhere. They're not all too uncommon. Probably plenty of them hanging around in the air, ey?? If left alone, a strong ionic CS will drop in conductivity and gain in TE [from particles] over night. When the ions arrive at the cathode, they can't all grab an electron and jump onto the cathode. Hydrogen is produced at the cathode, which requires electrons. So the ions have to wait their turn, and they form an invisible cloud around the cathode. (This is similar to the space charge of electrons around the cathode in a vacuum tube, so all the old hams should ea http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m46719.html When the ions arrive, the high voltage gradient keeps them close to the cathode, which means the ion cloud will be quite dense. This increases the probability that the ions which have found an electron will be close to other atoms, and Brownian motion will bring them close enough so the Van der Walls force can start the agglomeration. The dense cloud also means the particles will grow larger. So the idea that a high current rips large particles off the anode may be incorrect. The high current means a higher voltage across the cell, which means a denser ion cloud at the cathode. The particles are not produced at the anode, but come from the ion cloud around the cathode. ## Sounds about right. And so, stirring disrupts that concentrated ion zone making Brownian collisions less likely and less enegetic AND hydrates the ions so they are further isolated from each other and less likely to come together in big hunks later. [I have this mental picture of what hydration is that may not be quite exact] Ripping off chunks would be like electrosputtering..probably takes a lot of voltage and current to do that. Maybe that's part of what a HVAC unit with a suspended electrode does??? There is another strange LVDC phenomenon that can sometimes be seen if the area is well lit and a round optical glass container magnifies the process. That is One electrode can have a whitish cloud streaming off toward the center and the other electrode can have a golden cloud streaming toward the center...but nothing in the center. Ode [ken#1] So we have been barking up the wrong tree, and I am the worst offender. (See my 130VDC article at:) http://www3.sympatico.ca/add.automation/misc/130vdc.htm A high voltage is not needed to get appreciable conduction with typical distilled water. The initial conductance of distilled water is not constant with applied voltage. It increases as applied voltage increases, which is why everyone uses the highest voltage they can get without destroying their current regulator. With the ULV process, the initial voltage across the electrodes is only 2V to 4V. This is an order of magnitude less than conventional systems, but the initial current may still be 180uA. This is in the same ballpark as I used to get with 27 Volts from 3 nines! With the low voltage, the ion velocity is an order of magnitude less, so the ions take longer to reach the cathode. This means more time for ion production before we start running into problems with the ion cloud forming at the cathode. When the cloud starts to form, the lower voltage gradient means the cloud density is much less than before. This means the ions that have found an electron have less probability of interacting, so fewer particles are produced. This means less silver is wasted as the black residue when we wipe the rods. Because the cloud is less dense, the particles that do form are smaller, so they don't have as much tendency to fall to the bottom and form a black smudge. And the sides of the glass stay clear instead of turning black. And the solution doesn't turn yellow and plate out. Stirring is not needed to get high quality cs. Here is a run I started this morning: Mon May 12, 2003, 09:04:56 am 4.374V 180uA Mon May 12, 2003, 12:05:01 pm 3.024V 240uA Mon May 12, 2003, 12:44:32 pm 2.811V 250uA Mon May 12, 2003, 01:15:55 pm 2.517V 263uA I will let it go another couple of hours, but you can see the voltage across the cell is quite low. When I stop the run, it
Re: CSBrooks Bradley REPLY
We do not maintain a web presence. Go to Http://www.silvermedicine.org and Jason Eaton's website covers all of the pertinent information relating to the original air brush based nebulizer. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. ronwilson wrote: Need Brooks web site. Friend need his plans for breathing machine. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSchest congestion--nebulizer--proportions.COMMENT
We have determined.some time ago.it is not necessary to utilize a volumetric DMSO component of 20% to achieve reliable response. 10% DMSO, by volume, is quite sufficient to achieve/repeat our experimental results. 20% DMSO will sometimes cause an, involuntary, undesireable gag reflex in the volunteer..primarily, because of the pronounced bitterness component.at these levels. The 20% DMSO volume did not manifest any type of compromise among the volunteer population...it is just not necessary to utilize such a high concentration to achieve acceptable results with this nebulizing system-in experimental protocols such as we prosecuted. I hope this explanatory note is of value to potential researchers. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. David Bearrow wrote: A friend of mine's mother has emphysema so bad her feet are turning blue from lack of oxygen and they had to cut off one of her toes. She has agreed to try the Brooks Bradley oxygen/CS/MSM/DMSO nebulizer experimental protocol. She quit smoking over 5 years ago but it has left its damage. I intend to use the following mix which I found searching the archives: Starting with 8 ounces of 10 ppm CS warmed to approx. 105 degrees F.) dissolve methyl sulphonyl methane (MSM) in this solution to the point of saturation (until no more will go into solution); he next added 20%--by volume--(approximately 2 fluid ounces of DMSO, undiluted) to the parent mixture. The patient used approximately 3/4 of an ounce of liquid (in the smaller of the aribrush fluid supply vials). every 4 hours. http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m37693.html I will let you all know how it goes. At 11:08 PM 5/11/03, you wrote: I have forgotten the correct proportions, but it is something like this---dissolve as much msm in cs as is possible. Then use about 90 to 95 % of this mix with the rest dmso. Nebulize. Not too long at first as you may create a lot of mucus. I forget how often to do this. The http://www.silvermedicine.orgwww.silvermedicine.org site has a lot of information, but I don't think they have this particular protocol, though B. Bradley certainly knows all of it. In fact, I think he originated it and he is ( I think) largely the author and owner of this site. Sorry I am not more certain of so much!! You will enjoy the site anyway. pj Do you Yahoo!? http://us.rd.yahoo.com/search/mailsig/*http://search.yahoo.comThe New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. +- Bentonite Clay for sale-+ http://pages.sbcglobal.net/davebe/clay.html ¦ David Bearrow ¦ ¦ dav...@sbcglobal.net ¦ + Phone: (972)722-8319 + -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSConcentrated CS Ole Bob/All
Hi. I don't have the message that said that viri and bacteria tests were done using 3, 5, 10, and 20 ppm. Anyway it said that 3ppm was better than 5 and 5 better than 10, etc. That maybe so, but our body isn't a petri dish. Our bodies have a much longer route to follow with many different micr-organisms to kill. It only takes 1 silver particle to kill a single virus or bacteria, right or wrong. open to corrections. So maybe a more concentrated CS would be more effective. Was this taken into consideration when they came up with that? Any thoughts? Jay
Re: CSCS Generation with Solar Panels
I went all night and all day Start new CS solar test 8:07 pm 0.8 under 100 watt light bulb 1 hr 1.6 2 hr 1.9 Boy is it slow. 3 hr 2.2 but it is making CS 4 hr 2.6 not fast but going I went to sleep 12 hr 5.0 put outside 8:25am but in the shade. 9:25 am 5.2 10:25 5.6 11:25 5.7 don't know why only .1 advance, maybe I didn't have it plugged up right. 12:25 pm 6.0 1:40 pm 6.4 I quit I will drink this and go to my 15vdc again 7:45 pm 7.2 stopped, Clear, no flakes, very light tydall in dark room. Mike Monett writes: Re: CSCS Generation with Solar Panels From: Ode Coyote Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 05:08:52 At 11:54 PM 5/10/2003 -0400, you wrote: Just got my 12 VDC 1.5 watt Solar Panels from Harbor Freight. Could I connect 3 panels in series to produce 36 VDC? This would be a way to generate CS if the power was out or out camping. Brickey Yes But you can also just use 12 volts and it'll work just fine..a bit slower and probably make better CS because of the slowdown. Ken It will work great! The reason is the initial resistance of dw is not constant with applied voltage. It decreases, so the initial current will still be enough to get the process started. Put a 33k to 75k in series to limit the current to ~200 uA per square inch of wetted surface. This is the ULVDC process (ULV for short). Run for 4 to 6 hrs and test with salt. Try it with an ordinary battery to verify. You will be very pleased with the results. The lower voltage gradient means the ion cloud at the cathode is not as concentrated. This reduces the probability the ions will form particles, and the particles that do form are smaller. So they don't coat the cathode with as much black crud, and don't fall to the bottom of the glass. The glass doesn't become coated with black stuff that you have to clean off, and less silver is wasted. More silver stays in solution, so it does a better job when you drink it. I sometimes get a faint straw color after several hours, but none of the stuff I've made has turned yellow and plated out. The stuff I made before was highly prone to plateout. More information should be posted soon. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Sincerely Yours, Hank. Very Interesting Sites http://www.babelmagazine.com http://hdka.stormpages.com/indexf.html http://www.babelmagazine.com/wing.html http://members.myecom.net/hdka/ct/ct.html http://www.idownline.com/sites/hdka/911.html http://www.idownline.com/sites/hdka/investigation77.html Now MyECom FreeMail gives you what you've been asking for. More storage space (10MB), large attachments that get delivered, WEB, IMAP, POP3 and SMTP access at no extra charge, Calendar, spell checker, mail filtering and auto-responders. http://freemail.myecom.net
Re: CSCS Generation with Solar Panels
Re: CSCS Generation with Solar Panels From: hdka (view other messages by this author) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 18:48:15 I went all night and all day Start new CS solar test I did some research on solar panels. They only produce their rated output at noon, at summer solstice on a clear day, at the equator, with the panel facing the sun, with the surface of the panel cleaned with isopropyl alcohol, during a sunspot maximum, and only on the first day after purchase. The output quickly degrades if any of these conditions are not met. For typical 12 ga 4 rods and an 8 oz glass, get a 9V battery and put a 22k in series. You can stick this in your pocket, and a new battery should last for a long, long time. It will make your cs while you sleep. Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConcentrated CS Ole Bob/All
Jay, Silver particles do not kill pathogens it is the silver ions. The silver ion is not rendered ineffective after killing one baddie. It keeps on working until eliminated from the body. Don't knock petri dishes, it is the sole basis of evaluating the effectiveness of ALL medicines. You need to get out your histroy books and read. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Re: CSstirring CS
Hi Ruth, There are two things to consider. Stirring and current limit. They are both options and not necessary but both of them are good. Stirring: Thermal stirring is the cheapest, it's just a light bulb. Motorized stirring costs a little bit more. An aquarium air pump costs the most. Those are your choices. I personally don't think that thermal stirring agitates the water enough and I don't like the idea of adding stuff from the air when using an aquarium fish tank pump so I like mechanical stirring. Current Limit: A semiconductor or a resistor. This can range from 5 cents to a few dollars. Both work well. There are plenty of CS generators on the market. If you decide to buy one, make sure it comes with 12 gauge . silver wire. A lot of manufactures use cheaper 14 gauge wire. If you are on a budget, you might want to consider making your own CS generator. It's just two pieces of pure silver wire and a battery or cheap wall transformer. You can add stirring and current limit if you want but it isn't necessary. Ole Bob has a good web site that explains it. A HREF=http://www.hvacsilver.com/;http://www.hvacsilver.com//A Hope this helps. Andy (^_^) From: Ruth Bertella Is the thermal stirring better than motorized? I was leaning toward purchasing the $99 model from silverpuppy.com based on feedback from others (I've only been on this site for a couple of weeks and am trying my best to learn). I'm waiting to have a little extra cash before purchasing, so was trying to research and find the best unit for my money...Thanks in advance for any and all input!
Re: CSmold headaches garlic
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m58867.html Re: CSmold headaches garlic From: Mary Lou Borgert Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:07:18 Hi Mike, What does mold infection feel like?? I too think this is happening to me or else it is too much humidity in the house. In any case it is driving me crazy. You say properly prepared garlic what is that??? Mary Mary, I've been a bit busy - sorry for the delay in replying. I am not a doctor and cannot give medical advise. The symptoms of mold and fungus sensitivity are vague and hard to pin down. There could be other health problems that give similar symptoms, so you need to see a competent medical practitioner. Unfortunately, few doctors are aware of how serious mold and fungus can be, and they may misdiagnose. You have to do a lot of research yourself. Mold and fungus sensitivity can be very serious. Different people react differently. Some are incapacitated with the slightest exposure, others can live in severe infestations with no noticable harmful effect to their health. Most information on the web is outdated and only talks about the known varieties such as Aspergillus, Penicillium, Stachybotrys, and Cladosporium. In truth, any common household mold or fungus can be dangerous to someone who has been sensitized. It is an allergic reaction of the immune system, and can be debilitating or even life-threatening. Here are some things to check around the house: 1. Does food like your bread get moldy quickly if you leave it on the counter? 2. Is the concrete in your basement sealed properly? 3. Are there any leaks when it rains? 4. Are there any hidden plumbing problems that cause dampness in the walls or ceilings? 5. Are there any sources of water or damp areas anywhere in the house? 6. If you have hot air heating, lift the register covers and see if the ducts are rusted. 7. Do you have carpets or hardwood floors? Carpets hold dampness and mold loves to live in the fibers. 8. When you go shopping, do you smell a musty odor the instant you step in the house? Here are some articles that discuss some of the symptoms. (Sorry, the long urls may wrap in your browser and you have to fix them.) Toxic Mold http://www.consumervoiceusa.com/HotTopicsHTML/SubTopicMold/ToixcMold/ToxicMold.html Effects of Molds http://www.consumervoiceusa.com/HotTopicsHTML/SubTopicMold/ToixcMold/MoldEffects.html Effects of Mold Toxins http://www.doh.wa.gov/ehp/oehas/mold.html A Brief Guide to Mold, Moisture, and Your Home http://www.epa.gov/iaq/molds/hiddenmold.html Here is a good site for more information: http://www.mold-help.org/ A mold headache is unlike any you have ever experienced before. It is like someone has split your skull open with an axe, then poured acid in the open wound. Meanwhile, they put a band around your head and screwed it tight. You cannot work or think. Garlic is the only thing I have found that helps, besides daily laundry and eliminating all possible sources of mold spores. As usual, there is a great deal of misinformation on the web. Here is some information on Garlic that may be useful: The Chemistry of Garlic --- Odorless and stable, alliin is the most abundant sulfur compound in whole, unbruised Garlic. It is stored inside one kind of Garlic cell; in a separate type of cell, an enzyme called alliinase awaits. When the cells are broken open, alliin mixes with alliinase, and in about ten seconds all of the exposed alliin has been converted into a new group of compounds: allicin and its close relatives, which give off the aroma of fresh Garlic. http://www.herbalchem.net/GarlicIntroductory.htm Garlic Compounds Specifically, these compounds lower cholesterol by stimulating the release of bile by the gall bladder (bile contains cholesterol and related compounds) and by decreasing the production of cholesterol in the liver. In addition, garlic compounds gently lower blood pressure by slowing the production of the body's own blood pressure raising hormones. http://www.firmbottoms.com/Garlic.htm The Chemistry of Garlic Health Benefits http://www.garlicfestival.com/Rx/garlicchemistry.html Consumer Lab Product Review: Garlic Supplements http://www.consumerlab.com/results/garlic.asp The Garlic Press I tried several different kinds of garlic press and settled on one similar to the Zyliss Garlic Press: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/cooks-corner/susdelgarpre.html This model has a plunger that fits inside a channel. Here is a picture of the plunger and cup in a model made of teak:
CSSalt test
Hallo Mike, Please let me have the details of your salt test. You have mentioned it a few times and I have trawled through your posts in the hopes that you have told us how to do the test, but can't find more info. Thanks, Tony Mike Monett wrote: Re: CSCS Generation with Solar Panels From: Ode Coyote Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 05:08:52 ... short). Run for 4 to 6 hrs and test with salt. Try it with an ordinary battery to verify. You will be very pleased with the results. ... Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSalt test
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m58885.html CSSalt test From: Tony Moody Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:12:02 Hallo Mike, Please let me have the details of your salt test. You have mentioned it a few times and I have trawled through your posts in the hopes that you have told us how to do the test, but can't find more info. Thanks, Tony Hallo Tony, For the salt test, please see http://www3.sympatico.ca/add.automation/misc/130vdc.htm But don't build the generator. I found a better way, and haven't had time to update the page. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
