Re: CScheap ppm tester
Hi, An interesting thing about meters is that they are usually calibrated in the workshop at Zero and at Full Scale. Thus they are the most accurate near zero and near full scale and may be more or less accurate between. Any reading between could be 'off' due to the algorith used to convert the measurement to a readout. Also any reading could be 'off' due to various factors such as variation of component values, ambient temperature, aging. I guess that the 10ppm accuracy means the worst case expected at full scale (2000ppm), after it leaves the factory. That works out to 0.5% accuracy at fullscale, which is quite good for a cheap instrument. (imo Up to 2% accuracy would be quite acceptable in the measured range. ) Assuming say 1% accuracy and that the CS that you are trying to measure is about 10ppm, then the reading could be out by about 0.1ppm. It would be good to have a look at a calibration curve for the TDS-1 meter Personally i would be more interested in the repeatability of the readings which would probably depend on the temperature, electrical connections, cleanliness of the CS container and the cleanliness of conductivity probe. Tony ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: Hi Jay and Mike, The thing that scares me about the TDS-1 is that the accuracy is guaranteed at plus or minus 10 PPM. So if you are measuring a solution of 10 PPM the meter can read anywhere from 0 to 20 PPM and still be in spec as far as the company is concerned. Probably the wrong meter for CS production at any cost. Best wishes, Andy From: M. G. Devour Well, Jay, there's value and there's value... The TDS-1 from Hanna Instruments is a good bit cheaper, but it reads from 0 to 2000 ppm. You'll be using it at the *very* bottom of its range, which means the accuracy will not be tremendous. Sorta like measuring grains of sand with a yardstick. Do you see what I mean? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScheap ppm tester
I bought my TDS 1 from Utopia Silver and they claim that the accurately calibrated it for testing home made CS. It was $40.00. Jim Well, Jay, there's value and there's value... The TDS-1 from Hanna Instruments is a good bit cheaper, but it reads from 0 to 2000 ppm. You'll be using it at the *very* bottom of its range, which means the accuracy will not be tremendous. Sorta like measuring grains of sand with a yardstick. Do you see what I mean? That said, I have one and it works well enough. First, it's okay for checking your distilled water. It ought to read about zero. Second, it's been surprisingly accurate and stable, even when making readings on the order of a dozen ppm. It's adequate for ballpark estimates and comparisons from batch to batch. Anyone who wants to claim it isn't hasn't owned one or has some other agenda. Clearly, from the standpoint of matching the instrument's range to the measurement you're trying to make, Hanna's PWT (Pure Water Tester) is just a better choice. It measures to a the equivalent of a couple of hundred ppm, I think, so you're actually in a decent part of the thing's range when taking before and after readings on your distilled water and CS. This better accuracy is why it costs more. It also is calibrated and reads in units of conductivity, microSiemens, rather than applying some arbitrary conversion factor to report PPM. Both meters measure the same thing... the liquid's ability to transport electrons, ei., conductivity. Conductivity is a more honest unit of measure to use in this context. The TDS-1 is just calibrated differently to display ppm. To be fair with yourself you really have to figure out a conversion factor for your individual process. *Whatever* scale factor you use to calibrate the TDS-1, it's not really going to give you accurate ppm readings on your CS unless you do some other kind of testing. Bottom line, Jay, is that we do not have to make this into rocket science. It matters not a whit if your brew is actually 22 ppm rather than 12, or vice versa. Use a good basic process, decent DW and pure silver, clean and sanitary procedures, and dose for effect. If you're in a situation where you think it's critical to know exactly what you have, then you'll be spending a lot more than 60 bucks to find out. Hope that helps! You've come along really fast, Jay. Keep up the good work. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScheap ppm tester
My TDS -1 reads from 0 to 999 not 0 to 2000 and it is calibrated to measure homemade CS. Jim The TDS-1 from Hanna Instruments is a good bit cheaper, but it reads from 0 to 2000 ppm. You'll be using it at the *very* bottom of its range, which means the accuracy will not be tremendous. Sorta like measuring grains of sand with a yardstick. Do you see what I mean? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThermal Stirring
That's outlook express for ya. Outlook will pick up a bug and send it to everyone in your address book I use Eudora for that reason ode At 08:10 AM 6/6/2003 -0400, you wrote: norton picked up a virus on this message the bugbear Lynda - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 8:02 AM Subject: Re: CSThermal Stirring Square Black, 3.2 x 3.2 Chrome Mirror Top with 1.3 Dia. Light Hole, 7W Bulb, Light Stand, AC Cord This is the LB2 I mentioned...best price I've seen yet $9.35 + $5.33 sh = $14.68 [you save 32 cents] I used to sell them for $15 shipping included and it does quite well. Ode At 07:12 PM 6/5/2003 -0600, you wrote: Ode other thermal stirring affectionados, You are right - base lights for thermal stirring are scarce as hen's teeth. But, taad!, have a look at these: http://www.jomoeng.com/ Nice variety, just the right size (3.2 x 3.2 inch), 7 watt bulb, for $9.35 each. I ordered two of them - will report on their suitability when I get them. By the way, a chassis punch makes a very good, smooth edged hole in can or candy tin lids. --Steve Y. - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 5:51 AM Subject: Re: CSThermal Stirring Having searched for that very item to stock for better that 2 years...$15 PLUS shipping is as cheap as it gets. Ode -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScheap ppm tester
The PWT [pure water tester] is the only one that's worth a hoot and even it has limitations. Silvergens price is the same as you'd get from the manufacturer and it's a lot easier. Cheaper PPM meters are essentially trash can fillers. It may tell you the difference between a car and a house but it won't disciminate between a caddy and a scooter...not quite useless..but close. Using the results from 'any' meter to fuel an agrument is a pointless endeavor. Ode At 01:18 PM 6/6/2003 -0400, you wrote: I want to get a ppm tester but when I went to silvergen.com I read the price and great god I'm gonna have to spend like 60 dollars to get it. I remember reading that someone got one for $20-$30 or something but when I searched the archiveswhoa the ppm thread is beyond endless. :) Ice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThermal Stirring
That's outlook express for ya. Outlook will pick up a bug and send it to everyone in your address book I use Eudora for that reason ** It was a false alarm, Ode. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDirect source for PPM meters...
..until you ask them a meaningful question they can't answer because any answer contradicts their claims. Then you get silence. Here's one where 1 microsiemen is 2 microsiemens or 2 is one. I've bought 2 PWT meters over the course of 4 years and they both read the same in the calibration solution as does the Dist1 PPM meter I previously bought from Hanna years before either one of the PWTs, considering its limit of resolution. I ask the techies at Hanna via email Are the meters calibrated at the factory? [no answer] If they are, it's very consistant. Congratulations on a good job. [Thank you!] If they're not and you don't clearly say so negligence. [no answer] Is the calibration solution you buy an accurate way to calibrate them? [yes] OK, why is there an almost 50% discrepency? Which setting is the correct setting? They can't both be correct. [ Idiot! You shouldn't ask that question] Incidently, there's a temperature chart on the calibration solution bottle...but the meters are supposed to be temperature compensated. No big deal in the face of the fact that none of the numbers on the chart even come close to the factory setting. 60% one way and 40% the other way still begs the same major initial question that must be answered before the next minor question is asked. So, I still use the factory setting because most people don't buy the $11 [plus shipping] calibration solution trusting the factory to send an accurate instrument or at least clearly state that it is not accurate and needs calibration, the factory setting is apparently very consistant over a number of years and Hanna just won't tell me which is right...possibly because any 'real' answer they CAN give is a catch 22 they can't look good with. If MY meter reads 50% higher than yours, we have nothing AT ALL to talk about. We can't even compare meaningless numbers. ie: If the calibraton sol is accurate..the meters aren't in spite of sales promotion/ common sense manufacturing standards of precision instruments. and if the meters are shipped calibrated, the $11+ solution isn't worth a hoot. ..and if they do get their act together and go ahead and decide which is which, they could very easily make an adjustment to one or the other but it would reveal a million instances of incompetence in the past which they would be morally if not legally obligated to straighten out by admitting the error and sending a few hundred drums of free solution to every past customer who would then have to adjust each and every reading in their records...if the solution is accurate and the meter was miscalibrated at the factoryor...send out new solution to everyone who had bought solution in the past who would then have to change all their records. ..and notify how many others? Can you say infinitely cascading effects ? [Idiot! You shouldn't ask that question!] Worst of all, the PWT is STILL the best meter available. It's extremely repeatable and the resolution is good...but what do the numbers mean? In the case of the homemade CSers. The numbers don't matter all that much. Nobody is going to come to harm because of them one way or another. There are absolutely NO dosing standards for CS out there that make any sense at all. The only conceivable answer to how much? is As much as you feel you should...[It's nearly impossible to take too much.] ...especially when 99% of the people have no clue as to how strong what they have is regardless of how the generator maker told them to time their batches. [Timing an uncontrolled generator simply doesn't work..at all. It's like predicting the velocity of a rock at impact when dropped from an unknown height that varies by a thousand feet] Meters will , at least, give you repeatable batch references and even a cheap PPM meter is good enough for that, but they won't give you anything to argue about with someone else. We aren't going to sue Hanna for giving us a straight answer and maybe a correction factor if not new calibration solution. We don't even have to know..it would just be nice. Out of curiosity.. Those folks who make their own measurement 'cells' based on mathematical calculations and a multimeter...how do your numbers compare to a factory calibrated PWT? Ode They will be glad to explain the working of these meters too... Regards to All, Alexander J.Federowicz - Original Message - From: mailto:purplepixi...@yahoo.comJean DeMasters To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comSilver List Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 6:08 PM Subject: CSRE Distilled Water, reply to Ole Bob Hi Ole Bob, Thank you for answering. The post I read before warns that CS should not be made without a ppm/tds meter, because DW has to be verified genuine or you will end up making Silver-Chloride. Is this true?, and if so is the internet the only place you can buy a meter? I also read that CS should not be taken with any
Re: CScheap ppm tester
It would be interesting to know what was used as a benchmark. Apparently, some benches are of different heights and some look more like counters. I would trust a benchmark based on electrical conductivity of a known [solid?] substance rather than some dubious liquid solution. Typically a PPM meter will read half that of a microsiemens meter such as the PWT. Ode At 06:21 AM 6/7/2003 -0500, you wrote: My TDS -1 reads from 0 to 999 not 0 to 2000 and it is calibrated to measure homemade CS. Jim The TDS-1 from Hanna Instruments is a good bit cheaper, but it reads from 0 to 2000 ppm. You'll be using it at the *very* bottom of its range, which means the accuracy will not be tremendous. Sorta like measuring grains of sand with a yardstick. Do you see what I mean? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScheap ppm tester
I don't know what they used as a benchmark, all they say is Our testers are calibrated specifically for colloidal silver. Go to: http://www.utopiasilver.com/accessories.htm and scroll down to the TDS1 tester for more info. Jim Ode Coyote wrote: It would be interesting to know what was used as a benchmark. Apparently, some benches are of different heights and some look more like counters. I would trust a benchmark based on electrical conductivity of a known [solid?] substance rather than some dubious liquid solution. Typically a PPM meter will read half that of a microsiemens meter such as the PWT. Ode At 06:21 AM 6/7/2003 -0500, you wrote: My TDS -1 reads from 0 to 999 not 0 to 2000 and it is calibrated to measure homemade CS. Jim The TDS-1 from Hanna Instruments is a good bit cheaper, but it reads from 0 to 2000 ppm. You'll be using it at the *very* bottom of its range, which means the accuracy will not be tremendous. Sorta like measuring grains of sand with a yardstick. Do you see what I mean? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScheap ppm tester
They also say this. The purchase of a tester is not absolutely necessary since our instructions and timing techniques can give a fairly accurate estimation of strength, but it is a good investment to insure the exact potency of the product being produced. Using the generator they sell..which is not the same one they make the CS they sell with...the above statement is inherently impossible unless you happen to have the same batch of water at the same temperature that they use. If you don't, the same end result can take hours or minutes longer or shorter time.If you do buy the meter, you'll discover this. Even with a generator that has current controls and voltage referencing circuitry, the time it takes to make a given sized batch at the same PPM can vary by 3 or 4 hours if different water is used. The little water chart doesn't mention that. It would be consistant with utopia to just tweek the meter to read 2x..and that's not bad, but it's not exactly what the claim is either. It's not made clear anywhere at utopia or anywhere else including Hanna Instruments where the 1x comes from. I'll just bet that untopias calibration solution is salt water that's been adjusted to match one of the meters. That's probably not bad either. What's in question is how the original meter is calibrated. The point here is not to cut anyone down but to make a call for some consistant starting point for all measurements that is testable and repeatable between instruments...say, some given resistor value across electrodes of a given area = x microsiemens All these methods can be OK if a starting point ...a bench mark... is known and consistant, but the ways and means seem to be a big secret where any single claimants results don't even agree with themselves. Scrolling down doesn't offer any info...it just makes more claims with no substance. Maye if I write to Hanna tech again and ask only one question without pointing out the discrepencies or asking any other questions that put them 'on the spot' , I'll get a straight answer without it's being inferred that I'm just an idiot that shouldn't ask questions. How are the meters calibrated at the factory? ..a loaded question akin to When did you stop beating your wife? because then they'll actually have to state that the meters are or are not calibrated at the factory...but maybe they won't notice. I've looked and looked at the Hanna material and can't find word one of reference to factory calibration much less the method used. Am I being blind? [Not impossible!!!..which is why I ask the next question] Can anyone find it? Inagine if everyone is basing their measurements on something that doesn't exist...yet doesn't exist amazingly consistantly...a universal constant drawn right out of a hat based on nothing. ..then being told by the same people that a 'real' constant does exist...but it's not even close to the one out of the hat and they refuse to tell you which is which...or even admit that a difference exists when it's staring at you. I think somebody made an error long ago, recently discovered but not remedied because doing so would admit to the mistake, and it's being covered up by denial and 'don't look' because dealing with the ramifications could be corporate disaster. If the obvious is true, somebody's in deep doo doo? ..and if it's not true, what is? The what is , is the only part I care about. Everybody makes errors. If it's me, I want to fix it asap even if my face burns red and I wind up em'bareassed. [caught with my pants down] Ode Joeno need to yank at my pants just because your arms won't hold yours up. At 09:31 AM 6/7/2003 -0500, you wrote: I don't know what they used as a benchmark, all they say is Our testers are calibrated specifically for colloidal silver. Go to: http://www.utopiasilver.com/accessories.htm and scroll down to the TDS1 tester for more info. Jim Ode Coyote wrote: It would be interesting to know what was used as a benchmark. Apparently, some benches are of different heights and some look more like counters. I would trust a benchmark based on electrical conductivity of a known [solid?] substance rather than some dubious liquid solution. Typically a PPM meter will read half that of a microsiemens meter such as the PWT. Ode At 06:21 AM 6/7/2003 -0500, you wrote: My TDS -1 reads from 0 to 999 not 0 to 2000 and it is calibrated to measure homemade CS. Jim The TDS-1 from Hanna Instruments is a good bit cheaper, but it reads from 0 to 2000 ppm. You'll be using it at the *very* bottom of its range, which means the accuracy will not be tremendous. Sorta like measuring grains of sand with a yardstick. Do you see what I mean? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to:
Re: CScheap ppm tester
Eh not so worried about checking ppm. The main problem I am having is water. I can't find the brand I was using. So now every time I get a different brand and make CS it comes out a murky white. So I have trusted it to drink or spray on me or my plants. I just need a ppm tester to see the quality of water I have. Ice Bottom line, Jay, is that we do not have to make this into rocket science. It matters not a whit if your brew is actually 22 ppm rather than 12, or vice versa. Use a good basic process, decent DW and pure silver, clean and sanitary procedures, and dose for effect. If you're in a situation where you think it's critical to know exactly what you have, then you'll be spending a lot more than 60 bucks to find out. Hope that helps! You've come along really fast, Jay. Keep up the good work. Be well, Mike D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSunderground spring
shucks and I thought I had a good water source. How would I go about testing? With a hanna? Or something more complicated and scientific? Ice NO, have it tested before drinking, and do not consider using it to make CS. Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSrain...
It's been raining all day everyday for the past month. Can I catch some in a cup and make CS with it? Ice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSBrita filter
Is a brita filter any good for making CS? Ice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScheap ppm tester
That's good? but doesn't that mean 99.5% of my tests will be wrong? I'm not sure that's a good thing. I think I would much rather something much much much much accurate.:) Thanks. Ice That works out to 0.5% accuracy at fullscale, which is quite good for a cheap instrument. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: (ot) verised as sedative in VCUG procedure
We tried that too! Didn't work for her. Sharon http://www.globalsweet.com/SearchResult.asp?Category=D supply It's D Mannose that is the big gun with bladder infections. This site gives information. Active ingredient in cranberry juice http://www.tahoma-clinic.com/mannose.shtml From: Sharon tala...@teleport.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:47 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: (ot) verised as sedative in VCUG procedure The cranberry didn't seem to be getting the trick done this year. We used it successfully when she was smaller ( or so I thought, the fact that she has kidney damage now is an indication that it wasn't working quite as well as I thought...) Anyway She has had four infections since the beginning of this year, it seems to be getting worse instead of better. This latest infection has been resistant to antibiotics for a month now. Think about what it would be like for you to suffer a UTI for a month straight. Now jump back to when you were a kid. Incontinence isn't fun for anyone but I'd wager it's most damaging to self esteem when it's the first day of school, or the first visit to a friends house...And you're not two and in diapers anymore. I decided yesterday that perhaps we needed to up the does of the cranberry to see what that does. But if this is truly due to the way her system is built inside, then perhaps the allopaths are right this time... Sharon Dear Sharon, You said: She has been on probiotics for a while now. She was also on cranberry extract, and it just seems like she can never stop taking it because every time she does, bang, back they come. I will try to get some Primal Defense right away. Maybe that will help. ** Probiotics are notorious for having quite a range in quality. If the cranberry works, is there a reason she couldn't stay on it? I think you'll find the Primal Defense makes a difference. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScheap ppm tester..ooops
I HAVEN'T trusted it to drink, spray on my/plants. Ice Eh not so worried about checking ppm. The main problem I am having is water. I can't find the brand I was using. So now every time I get a different brand and make CS it comes out a murky white. So I have trusted it to drink or spray on me or my plants. I just need a ppm tester to see the quality of water I have. Ice Bottom line, Jay, is that we do not have to make this into rocket science. It matters not a whit if your brew is actually 22 ppm rather than 12, or vice versa. Use a good basic process, decent DW and pure silver, clean and sanitary procedures, and dose for effect. If you're in a situation where you think it's critical to know exactly what you have, then you'll be spending a lot more than 60 bucks to find out. Hope that helps! You've come along really fast, Jay. Keep up the good work. Be well, Mike D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScheap ppm tester
Jay. Put a digital multi-meter in the circuit and set it for low ma readings. Anything below about 0.5 ma at start-up is good. The lower the better. The best DW will have the lowest reading for you set-up, what ever it is. Harbor Freight Co. sells a DMM fo about $5.00. Ole Bob J -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSrain...
Jay, NO. Ole Bob Jay Ice wrote: It's been raining all day everyday for the past month. Can I catch some in a cup and make CS with it? Ice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScheap ppm tester
I did a Google search for 'tds-1 calibration curve' and got http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:sOl1Pc1aKr0J:www.hannainst.com/downloads/instr/hi9835.pdf+tds-1+calibration+curvehl=enie=UTF-8 and found an html version of http://www.hannainst.com/downloads/instr/hi9835.pdf. which I have saved as HI9835 Instruct manual.htm If this is the TDS-1 that has been spoken of on the list in the past then I am now greatly impressed. Measures conductivity, TDS, temperature and NaCl 1% accuracy 1% deviation and autoranging eg Accuracy: EC +_1% of reading +_(0.05uS/cm or 1 digit whichever greater TDS +_1% of reading +_(0.03uS/cm or 1 digit whichever greater) Lowest TDS range is 0.00 to 14.99ppm The TDS factor is default at 0.5 but can be changed within the range .4 to .8 The specs look OK to me. Tony ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: Hi Jay and Mike, The thing that scares me about the TDS-1 is that the accuracy is guaranteed at plus or minus 10 PPM. So if you are measuring a solution of 10 PPM the meter can read anywhere from 0 to 20 PPM and still be in spec as far as the company is concerned. Probably the wrong meter for CS production at any cost. Best wishes, Andy From: M. G. Devour Well, Jay, there's value and there's value... The TDS-1 from Hanna Instruments is a good bit cheaper, but it reads from 0 to 2000 ppm. You'll be using it at the *very* bottom of its range, which means the accuracy will not be tremendous. Sorta like measuring grains of sand with a yardstick. Do you see what I mean? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: (ot) verised as sedative in VCUG procedure
That her ureteral tubes are either kinked or too short, causing the reflux. Thus the need for surgery. Sharon Dear Sharon, You said: But if this is truly due to the way her system is built inside, then perhaps the allopaths are right this time... ** Exactly what is it they are saying? Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSrain...
Yes, you can catch it in a cup. Jay Ice wrote: It's been raining all day everyday for the past month. Can I catch some in a cup and make CS with it? Ice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBrita filter
Use only steam distilled water. WalMart steam distilled water works well for me.
Re: CSrain...
Make sure it is not acid rain or full of other undesirable substances.
Re: CSRe: (ot) verised as sedative in VCUG procedure
She has been on Well water for the past three years or so. Before that we were living in Switzerland, and if it is like everything else there, they will tell you it is the absolute best quality ; ). Sometimes that is true, sometimes not ( with other products, I have no idea about the water). I have avoided the recommended extra flouride the Dr.s' always say she needs because we are on Well Water ( yeah, they want you to poison your own child ). The only source of flouride would be the dentist because I haven't found one who will forgo Flouride treatments yet. Thanks for the info though. Sharon I f your child is drinking tap water, or having her food cooked in it then, for gods sake get her on distilled spring water... Bladder infections are among the easiest to cure with C.S. ... I'm a repeated witness to the fact, that with both women and men, C.S. wipes out bladder trouble quickly... It's realy simple, your bladder is a primary organ of elimination, and almost all the C.S. you ingest is going through it eventually. That makes bladder problems an easy target for C.S.'s curative powers. Chlorine and floride are toxic, and corrosive, and therefore are tough on the bladderes walls, therby setting it up for infection, or worse, cancer developes when the toxicity builds up enough... Note Chlorine and floride + other undesirable have been greatly increased in volume in our nations water supplies since the Sept/11 terrorist strike... They have been directly connected to bladder cancer in several large studies. That's why most other contries use other things in their water. The Swiss are far far ahead of us in water quality... Take a look at there water standards policies online. They and the rest of europe have pretty conclusive studies that fluoride does nothing against tooth decay, and is definatly a poison. Chlorine is rediculous too. They also have a lower rate of tooth decay than us... Chlorine and floride are in our water, because the companies that make it have powerful lobbies in (D.C.)... ($$$)'s are the foundation here, not public health. Organic filtration Ozonation stations would do a far better job, but then no one could sell mega-tons of toxic crap to the fed every month, for dumping into our nations water supply... Fluoride and Chlorine sales to the FED is big ($$$) ! Even though it's an almost garanteed profit, I do not suggest you buy stock in it :( Regards, Alexander J.Federowicz - Original Message - From: Sharon tala...@teleport.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 2:47 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: (ot) verised as sedative in VCUG procedure The cranberry didn't seem to be getting the trick done this year. We used it successfully when she was smaller ( or so I thought, the fact that she has kidney damage now is an indication that it wasn't working quite as well as I thought...) Anyway She has had four infections since the beginning of this year, it seems to be getting worse instead of better. This latest infection has been resistant to antibiotics for a month now. Think about what it would be like for you to suffer a UTI for a month straight. Now jump back to when you were a kid. Incontinence isn't fun for anyone but I'd wager it's most damaging to self esteem when it's the first day of school, or the first visit to a friends house...And you're not two and in diapers anymore. I decided yesterday that perhaps we needed to up the does of the cranberry to see what that does. But if this is truly due to the way her system is built inside, then perhaps the allopaths are right this time... Sharon Dear Sharon, You said: She has been on probiotics for a while now. She was also on cranberry extract, and it just seems like she can never stop taking it because every time she does, bang, back they come. I will try to get some Primal Defense right away. Maybe that will help. ** Probiotics are notorious for having quite a range in quality. If the cranberry works, is there a reason she couldn't stay on it? I think you'll find the Primal Defense makes a difference. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScheap ppm tester
On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 10:58:34 +0200, Tony Moody a...@new.co.za wrote: I guess that the 10ppm accuracy means the worst case expected at full scale (2000ppm), after it leaves the factory. That works out to 0.5% accuracy at fullscale, which is quite good for a cheap instrument. (imo Up to 2% accuracy would be quite acceptable in the measured range. ) Assuming say 1% accuracy and that the CS that you are trying to measure is about 10ppm, then the reading could be out by about 0.1ppm. It would be good to have a look at a calibration curve for the TDS-1 meter Umm, let's say the full scale reading is 1000 (for ease of accuracy calculations -- and I've heard some TDS meters have that range). If the meter has a .5% accuracy *of full scale,* then ANY reading on the meter is accurate to within +5 ppm and - 5 ppm of the reading. That is, if the ppm of the solution being measured is 20 ppm (ascertained with a lab-grade instrument), then the .5% accurate TDS will have a reading anywhere between 15 and 25. But I've heard the accuracy of the TDS is really 1% or 2% (I had one, but gave it away once I got the PWT). That means a reading of 20 would mean the solution is somewhere between 10 and 30 if it's 1% -- and between 0 and 40 if accuracy is 2%. -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSContamination
I just boil water from a Brita or distilled rinse out the bottle a few times and works for me. My spray bottle is made of blue plastic and my Dmso and CS spray bottle is made of green plastic and I make my CS in a old clear glass jar and store what I made in an old apple sauce jar made of clear glass. Ole Bob says there has been no change in 2 years of CS stored in 2 two liter soda bottles on a window still. Ice Due to your experience, I know not to wash the generator vessel with soap etc. My question is regarding the storage vessel. In giving CS to friends, would it matter if the used glass jar/jug etc had been washed with soap prior to filling it with CS? Thanks again! Best regards, :) Marv
Re: CScheap ppm tester
I've found Wal Mart DW very consistant. Jim Jay Ice wrote: Eh not so worried about checking ppm. The main problem I am having is water. I can't find the brand I was using. So now every time I get a different brand and make CS it comes out a murky white. So I have trusted it to drink or spray on me or my plants. I just need a ppm tester to see the quality of water I have. Ice Bottom line, Jay, is that we do not have to make this into rocket science. It matters not a whit if your brew is actually 22 ppm rather than 12, or vice versa. Use a good basic process, decent DW and pure silver, clean and sanitary procedures, and dose for effect. If you're in a situation where you think it's critical to know exactly what you have, then you'll be spending a lot more than 60 bucks to find out. Hope that helps! You've come along really fast, Jay. Keep up the good work. Be well, Mike D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSWal*Mart water
I have been buying water from Wal*Mart for 2 months now. Then I go in to grab a couple gallons and I see no water on the shelves except one brand, made with flouride for babies. So I am looking for a new source. Ice - Original Message - From: Jim kf4...@papadocs.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 2:00 PM Subject: Re: CScheap ppm tester I've found Wal Mart DW very consistant. Jim Jay Ice wrote: Eh not so worried about checking ppm. The main problem I am having is water. I can't find the brand I was using. So now every time I get a different brand and make CS it comes out a murky white. So I have trusted it to drink or spray on me or my plants. I just need a ppm tester to see the quality of water I have. Ice Bottom line, Jay, is that we do not have to make this into rocket science. It matters not a whit if your brew is actually 22 ppm rather than 12, or vice versa. Use a good basic process, decent DW and pure silver, clean and sanitary procedures, and dose for effect. If you're in a situation where you think it's critical to know exactly what you have, then you'll be spending a lot more than 60 bucks to find out. Hope that helps! You've come along really fast, Jay. Keep up the good work. Be well, Mike D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScheap ppm tester
Hi Jay, Yeah it looks crazy doesn't it? And you had me onto my back foot for a while :) However according to the conventions and definitions used by industry. Reference Accuracy: A number or quantity which defines the limit that errors will not exceed when the device is used under reference operating conditions. Reference accuracy can be expressed in a number of forms 1 Reference accuracy expressed in terms of the measured variable ie the reference accuracy is ±1°F etc etc.. Process Instruments and Controls Handbook, Considine, McGrawHill What it means is that all your tests results will be within ±x% of the actual true value. So if you have an instrument which quotes accuracy ±1% of reading. The way I see it is that if your CS is actually 10.0ppm the instrument is going to indicate anywhere within 9.90 and 10.10. If you made several readings, one after the other, each one would be slightly different but in the quoted range. OK, Tony Jay Ice wrote: That's good? but doesn't that mean 99.5% of my tests will be wrong? I'm not sure that's a good thing. I think I would much rather something much much much much accurate.:) Thanks. Ice That works out to 0.5% accuracy at fullscale, which is quite good for a cheap instrument. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsilver saturated water purifiers and AgNO3
Reid- I just looked in my 1973 book Ceramic Design by John B. Kenny and he states, pg 198, Luster is a form of decoration in which a thin film of metal is deposited on the surface of a glazed piece. Lusters were developed by the early Persian potters who applied metallic salts to the ware, then fired it in a strong reducing fire. The reduction deposited the luster film on the ware. Another simpler method does not require reduction in the kiln. A reducing agent (resin) is combined with metallic salts, usually chlorides or nitrates of gold, silver, copper, and bismuth. An oil, oil of lavender, is used as a medium and the mixture is sprayed or painted on the ware, which is then fired to red heat (about cone 012 = 875 °C). The carbon formed by the reducing agent and the oil reduces the metal and creates the luster film without the need for reducing the kiln. Prepared lusters with the reducing agents added can be purchased from dealers in ceramic supplies. I did lusters on a few pieces 20 years ago when I first started out with ceramics. I think I did gold and platinum. I can only assume this is what you are after, hope it helps. Nancy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScheap ppm tester
Hi Ken, I was going to say they always include a calibration slip signed by a technician in every box because that's exactly what they used to do. It was a small blue cardboard form with the temperature, uS reading, date and the technician's initials. But before I posted this I looked into half a dozen PWT boxes and guess whatyou're right. Apparently they don't put one of them in any more. I haven't seen one for some time since I don't open the boxes and check them before shipment. I have 3 PWT's in use all the time to average our calibration setup. They were put into service several years ago and I assumed nothing had changed. Wrong. I guess this is like everything else that's been shrunk over the years the pound of coffee is now down to as low as 10 ounces and the nickel candy bar is now 89 cents. I suppose in this case they want to save money and labor is the only place they can cut corners. Of course that's why they sell calibration solution. And I've been told by the tech department that the factory recommends calibrating the unit when first received by the customer and every few months after that or whenever they think the unit isn't reading correctly. So, I pass that caveat on to people that order them and they usually buy the solution. Regards, Trem www.silvergen.com - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 8:39 AM Subject: Re: CScheap ppm tester I've looked and looked at the Hanna material and can't find word one of reference to factory calibration much less the method used. Am I being blind? [Not impossible!!!..which is why I ask the next question] Can anyone find it? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: silver-digest Digest V103 #407
Alexander What strength at what frequency should CS be used to deal with recalcitrant bladder infections. My son has had one now for over a year and retains urine. This is serious business for him. Thanks mjh In a message dated 6/7/03 3:17:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes: Bladder infections are among the easiest to cure with C.S. ... I'm a repeated witness to the fact, that with both women and men, C.S. wipes out bladder trouble quickly... It's realy simple, your bladder is a primary organ of elimination, and almost all the C.S. you ingest is going through it eventually. That makes bladder problems an easy target for C.S.'s curative powers.
Re: CSContamination
Marv Hacker 6/6/03 6:15 PM Due to your experience, I know not to wash the generator vessel with soap etc. My question is regarding the storage vessel. In giving CS to friends, would it matter if the used glass jar/jug etc had been washed with soap prior to filling it with CS? * Hi Marv, I'm sure that any contamination that occurs, is primarily because of contact with contaminates within the container, be it the brewing vessel or the storage vessel. What ever method that you use for cleaning, should be followed by very thorough rinsing, and the last rinse should be with DISTILLED WATER. ( Note: distilled water and filtered water are not the same ( Jay, did you read that?). I don't know about plastic containers; I feel better about glass. Jack Apples, not caffeine, are more efficient at waking you up in the morning. ( It's probably from all of that noisy crunching.)
Re: CSRe: (ot) verised as sedative in VCUG procedure
Dear Sharon, You said: That her ureteral tubes are either kinked or too short, causing the reflux. Thus the need for surgery. ** Is this a speculation on their part or do they have a picture to support this? It sounds like one of their lame guesses to explain away what they don't know. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWal*Mart water
I have been buying water from Wal*Mart for 2 months now. Then I go in to grab a couple gallons and I see no water on the shelves except one brand, made with flouride for babies. So I am looking for a new source. It's not with the drinking water, Jay. Look around the pharmacy area. C -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSrain...
Jay Ice 6/7/03 9:02 AM It's been raining all day everyday for the past month. Can I catch some in a cup and make CS with it? Ice * Jay if you are intent on producing crap, then just disregard what we have been telling you, try any source that you feel that none of us have ever considered. Then you will get a chance to tell all of us what YOU discovered. Hell we're all old so you should be able to do better because of your fresh outlook. SO, for the last time on this time-wasting subject: NO on well water NO on lake water NO on water from your family's Brita NO on rain water Now I promise that we won't have this discourse again Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSrain...
Well the last time I checked rain with the PWT it was 37.4, (the Chemtrailes?) I guess that is better than my tap water that is 41.0. My home DW is 0.8 on the high side sometimes down to 0.4. I sure like you Jay, you remind me of my youth when I went out with a blond that no mater what you told her it just wouldn't sink in. Read Jacks reply below and stop and think a minute. Nothing but DW. Sincerely Yours, Hank - Original Message - From: Jack Dayton To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: Re: CSrain... Jay Ice 6/7/03 9:02 AM It's been raining all day everyday for the past month. Can I catch some in a cup and make CS with it? Ice * Jay if you are intent on producing crap, then just disregard what we have been telling you, try any source that you feel that none of us have ever considered. Then you will get a chance to tell all of us what YOU discovered. Hell we're all old so you should be able to do better because of your fresh outlook. SO, for the last time on this time-wasting subject: NO on well water NO on lake water NO on water from your family's Brita NO on rain water Now I promise that we won't have this discourse again Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSrain...
I thought rain was water distilled naturally..Most contains H2O2, but I'm curious now to have some tested. Depends on what you catch it with. Pure water (rain) picks up and dissolves a little bit of everything it comes in contact with. - Original Message - From: Robert Berger bober...@swbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 12:29 PM Subject: Re: CSrain... Jay, NO. Ole Bob Jay Ice wrote: It's been raining all day everyday for the past month. Can I catch some in a cup and make CS with it? Ice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScheap ppm tester
Tony that's not info for the TDS-1 davido -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWal*Mart water
They moved it? Ice It's not with the drinking water, Jay. Look around the pharmacy area. C -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSrain...Jack
Time wasting. I'm just asking questions is all. If ya tell me not to, I won't. Experience has been my greatest teacher. The first reply I got was from Ole Boball he said was Jay, NO. So I ended that thought right there. But the thread continued... as they usually do. My intentions were not to produce crap. That's why I brought it up. I'm hard headed at times but not like a rock, more like a dry sponge I tend to soak up things here and there. : ) Why did you take the question in such a way? Ice Jay Ice 6/7/03 9:02 AM It's been raining all day everyday for the past month. Can I catch some in a cup and make CS with it? Ice * Jay if you are intent on producing crap, then just disregard what we have been telling you, try any source that you feel that none of us have ever considered. Then you will get a chance to tell all of us what YOU discovered. Hell we're all old so you should be able to do better because of your fresh outlook. SO, for the last time on this time-wasting subject: NO on well water NO on lake water NO on water from your family's Brita NO on rain water Now I promise that we won't have this discourse again Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSrain...Hank
Thanks. I think.. it didn't sink in yet. Ice I sure like you Jay, you remind me of my youth when I went out with a blond that no mater what you told her it just wouldn't sink in. Sincerely Yours, Hank - Original Message - From: Jack Dayton To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: Re: CSrain... Jay Ice 6/7/03 9:02 AM It's been raining all day everyday for the past month. Can I catch some in a cup and make CS with it? Ice * Jay if you are intent on producing crap, then just disregard what we have been telling you, try any source that you feel that none of us have ever considered. Then you will get a chance to tell all of us what YOU discovered. Hell we're all old so you should be able to do better because of your fresh outlook. SO, for the last time on this time-wasting subject: NO on well water NO on lake water NO on water from your family's Brita NO on rain water Now I promise that we won't have this discourse again Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsilver saturated water purifiers and AgNO3
Mike, Thanks a lot for your suggestions. As to saturating our water purifiers with AgNO3, I've decided to pursue the first idea: after oxidation, pulling out the nitrate, I'll put the purifiers back in the kiln to burn off the carbon. At some future time I may attempt mixing the dry clay with concentrated CS. Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBrita filter
Jay, I'm a little puzzled by this question, the more so because I'm a ceramist and feel that I should know what's going on. My impression is that the best method of making CS, unquestionably, is electrolysis of pure silver in distilled water. Have I missed something? Reid Jay Ice wrote: Is a brita filter any good for making CS? Ice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBrita filter
uh oh...I'm thinking that I have slit my throat with this question. I have lost my good source of distilled water. The 3 brands I have tried since are producing CS that goes straight to the sink. I should have also mentioned Brita filterED WATER, not just a brita filter. sorry. many things coming at once in my life right now.thinking has been a little foggy lately Jay I0ce Jay, I'm a little puzzled by this question, the more so because I'm a ceramist and feel that I should know what's going on. My impression is that the best method of making CS, unquestionably, is electrolysis of pure silver in distilled water. Have I missed something? Reid Jay Ice wrote: Is a brita filter any good for making CS? Ice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWal*Mart water
They moved it? Jay, you're making something very simple woefully complicated. Get some distilled water, a ppm tester, and make some CS like the rest of us. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbaby bird - update
I've raised quite a few baby birds, some newly hatched. I raised a couple of newborn starlings that thrived on a mixture of dog food, egg yolk and de fatted wheat germ. The dog food was a regular canned beef based food. The egg yolk was hard boiled and added to the dog food. I'm not sure of exact proportions, but say a tablespoon of dog food, a tablespoon of egg yolk, and some wheat germ sprinkled in. Then I added some spring water so it was not too dry. It had a wet consistency, but it was together enough to form a little ball and put on the end of a drink mixer. I used the drink mixer as a feeding device to get the little ball of food into the babies mouths. They only take a couple or so balls of food at a time. You must not overfeed them. But, and here's the hard part, when they are naked nestlings, they have to be feed at least every half hour from sunrise to sunset. Some feed every hour, and that is the absolute maximum time that can elapse between feedings at that early age. I was doing it every 20 min. They let you know if they are hungry or not. Mine were healthy, so they would open their mouths and scream to be fed. When they were full after 2 or so little pea size balls of food, they would just shut their mouths and not cry for any more. As they get older and get feathers, the feedings can be farther apart. They MUST be kept warm. That is extremely important. They should be put in a room that is around 85 degrees. A good nest is a coffee filter filled up with Evercare paper cat little. It's very soft and nontoxic. It must be changed all the time to be kept clean. Do not try to give them drinks. Give moisture by dipping the little balls of food in water before putting it into the mouth. You have no idea what kind of bird it is? The same food would be appropriate for sparrows, starlings, etc Summer
Re: CSbaby bird - update
I see I was too late in responding about the baby bird. I just got to reading my mail today for the first time in more than a week. Sorry. Summer
