Re: CSCancer cure story
I would be happy to have a copy of the book you mentioned . . . if you could forward the request . . . . JBB patriot2...@mindspring.com wrote: I know a woman with cancer who was sent home to die by her doctors about twelve years ago. She had Stage IV ovarian cancer and the chemo had almost killed her. She saved her life using Benefin shark cartilage, which acts as an antiangiogenesis factor, keeping the cancer from sending out blood vessels to bring it nourishment. I learned about her on the forum at Benfin web site, before the Feds shut them (Lane Labs) down for anything but the most innocuous of supplements advertising a few years ago. However, we have become friends by e-mail, and Kay gives away copies of the book she wrote with her husband, documenting her disease and how she saved herself. I also had a teacher friend who had breast cancer metastasized to her liver. Her onco docs knocked it out with chemo, though it was already Stage IV when located. However, as always, it came back, and they told her they could only buy her a little time, and put her on vincristine (I think that is was it was, a last gasp chemo; I read up on it on the Net and found that the average length of life left when a person in the study started it was 25 weeks, and none lived as long as a year.). She was very sick, the chemo shut down her intestinal tract, she had horrible mouth sores and pain in the hands and feet. She knew it was all but over. At that point, about October or November, I told her I thought she had nothing to lose by trying Benefin, and she agreed. It takes about 12 weeks before any sign of benefit is seen. At her checkup 12 weeks later, her doc's jaw dropped and his eyebrows flew up when he read her lab reports. They were improving, not getting worse. That was the first week of Feb. Well before summer arrived, she should have been getting ready for her funeral. Instead, she looked good, felt good, ate like a horse, worked at school all week long, and played tennis twice a week. I guess she didn't know she was supposed to be dead, soon. However, as fall came on, the Cancer markers in her blood began to creep up again, and her doc started her on more chemo. Her grown son went on the Net to read about shark cartilage, and read all the Feds' and Pharmaceutical houses' propaganda pages, saying it was useless (as indeed it is, for some patients -- nothing works for everybody) and a scam. He told his mom she was a damn fool for wasting her money that way. And so she stopped taking the shark cartilage. Her deterioration was obvious, as she suffered the same horrors from the chemo. We planned her birthday party for the first week of February, exactly a year since her doc had been so amazed at her improvement. Three weeks later, she was dead -- not of the cancer, but of a massive infection that started as a cold on Tuesday, and took her life the following Monday, overpowering her ruined immune system. Here is the thing that still gives me goose bumps to think about it. I learned from Kay's book about three years later that when the cancer is on the ropes and all but beaten, it starts to disintegrate and enters the blood stream for elimination from the body. At that time, the cancer markers go up because of that, but patients panic and think the cancer is back instead of almost beaten. Then, they do as Tina did and go back on the chemo. She might be alive today if her son hadn't gone surfing on the Web that day! If you would like to get a copy of Kay's book, or write to her, e-mail that you would like to hear from her. She is a missionary for cancer patients, in the truest sense, and a real shining role model. I have had cancer (lumpectomy and radiation, 6 1/2 years ago), so I keep up on alternatives, because I know it can come back anytime. Kay is a heroine to me, for trying to help others walking in the Valley of the Shadow. I could post her e-mail here, but that would be unfair, and I would rather just serve as the go between. Post your questions and I will forward the Silver List to her and she can answer. Oh, yes, her onco doc who was so upset with her twelve years ago when she turned her back and went with Benefin, now has opened an alternative treatment clinic in AZ with some other doctors, to provide additional treatment modalities besides the ones that almost killed Kay. Guess she made the point for him! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSI am healed!
R.e cancer information, I found the following page just now, by chance: http://www.meaningoflife.i12.com/Cancer2.htm This seems to be an excellent source of data! JBB -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSproxy brushing
Is there any chance that the CS could cause blackening of teeth/ Thanks! - Original Message - From: sol pcar...@wyoming.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 5:36 PM Subject: Re: CSproxy brushing Reid, I'd just use the CS with some H202. I use about 1 to 2 tsps of H202 for about 20 oz of CS. Rinse and swish the Cs as long as I can stand to hold it in my mouth, at least a couple minutes. This worked on my receded gums and tartar build up much better than the straight CS. I get the gum pockets measured again in Oct, but from the way my teeth feel, they should be much better. Add DMSO if you like, but I don't see the E and aloe vera adding anything useful, in fact, just my opinion, it seems like they would make the whole thing less effective. My CS is about 10 to 18 ppm, depending on which gen I use to make it. The larger/more particulate CS (judged by color, TE and PWT) wasn't being effective against the mouth bacteria, as judged by tartar build up. I've been unable to consistently make clear CS, so just started using the H202, and have found it puts the CS back to clear, increases ppm (just as I was told it would) and, for me, makes it much more effective. I still spray my eyes with it, too, and it doesn't sting or anything. paula - Original Message - From: Reid Harvey pott...@wlink.com.np Greetings Friends, but I'm also pushing in a mix of CS, DMSO, E and aloe vera. One problem I have is that I'm not sure the CS I'm using is doing the job, a couple of drops of Microdyn, large particle size. The ointment may be something like a couple of hundred ppm. But I do know that the 10 ppm CS is of the smaller particle size that can better penetrate the tissue. So What to do? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSResponse to my Introduction
Dear Shizua, I hope this will help! Marshalee To make CS, you`ll need: either 3 nine-volt batteries, the square ones, (the Lithiums last 4 times longer than the alkalines) or a Power Adapter from RadioShack,13.5/30V 1000mA Power Adapter using household electricity, filtered output. Number 263-1668. Cost under $25.00 at RadioShack. 2 five-inch pieces of pure silver wire, 14 gauge, .999 fine, (not sterling, as it has other metals in it) 2 alligator clips, (the kind with 2 clips on either end of a plastic-coated wire, available at Radio Shack) 2 cups of steam-distilled water in a glass measuring cup, (I always use glass to make CS in. I have a cup used solely for making my CS.) A new green scrubber, just for this purpose. An empty water bottle to store your finished CS in. A pop top plastic bottle is just fine. Rinse the cup and storage bottle with distilled water to remove any dust or soap residue. Take the batteries and snap them together, one upside down on top of the other two. This will leave two empty posts on the batteries. Connect each of the silver wires to the two empty posts with the two alligator clips. (If using the adapter, just hook the wires onto the clips, drop them into the distilled water, turn it on, set it at 30 volts, and leave for 1/2 hour, wipe, and do another half hour.) Drop the wires into the water, with about 4 inches submerged, and about 1 inch apart. (As they tend to float around, you can put a candycane bend in the top of the wires and hang that over the lip of the cup, with the connectors hooked to the bend.) Don`t let the connectors get into the water. It is now working. You can`t get shocked by it. Now you can leave it, and time for 30 minutes. You may notice some bubbles coming off one wire, and fine wisps of golden stuff coming off the other, that is the Colloid forming! The bubbles are hydrogen, from the water. There will be a buildup of fuzz on one wire, that is silver oxide. It is harmless, but you can wipe it off with a paper towel. Replace the wires, and time for another 30 minutes. This one hour activation gives a CS of about 18 PPM. The longer it works, the higher the PPM, but the larger the particles are. When finished, wipe off the wires with a paper towel, then with the green scrubber until the wires are shiny again, and detach the batteries. Store it all in a ziploc bag to keep it handy. The finished CS doesn`t need to be refrigerated. If you keep the bottle out where you see it, you`ll remember to take it. I take 3 big swallows a day for an active infection, sometimes even more. (My swallow is about 1/3 of a cup.) The silver particles are fine enough to be easily excreted, so taking more won`t hurt. If you hold the CS in your mouth for a few minutes, it will clean your mouth. I take one swallow a day for a preventive. I use it topically too, and even in the eyes. It is mild and doesn`t sting. Splash some in the pits for a natural deodorant. It is bacteria that causes BO, and since CS kills the bacteria, no BO! CS doesn`t taste too bad either. Some folks notice a metallic tang, others don`t. I put some on my skin and let it dry for a sunburn, and was tan the next day, with no peeling. I use it for bug bites and stings too. Canker sores respond quickly. I have used CS for my pet birds, curing a cockatiel of vet-diagnosed Giardiosis even. I always put some in the water bowl for my Pug dog. CS is even good for cut flowers, they will last for weeks. It is bacteria that actually kills fresh-cut flowers. It can also be sprayed on the leaves of houseplants with fungus or rust. A dollop in the milk jug keeps the milk fresh for a long time. There are lots more uses for CS in the body and around the house, any place bacteria live can benefit from CS.
Re: CSHow To Make Silver Protein
Thanks for this useful information. As we so often learn, many commerical products are created with profit first in mind; superior products are sometimes taken off the market simply because they work too well! See altcancer.com for their claims that Viadent toothpaste was reforumlated to removed the bloodroot that had formerly made it the most effective dentifrice available. Go figure. R.e. Reid Harvey's dental problems mentioned on this list, the company's product Alpha Omega Dentifrice is the only one I know of containing bloodroot: it is powerful indeed, the best dentifrice I have ever used. Not cheap, but a ten-dollar tube lasts and lasts. Because bloodroot penetrates the skin and seeks out pathogens, it may be better than CS when used orally, even in conjunction with DMSO. R.e. the latter, I worry a bit that it may have bad effects on non-amalgam fillings, given that it is a solvent. . . . this is an issue I have not seen raised here or elsewhere. JBB Frank Key wrote: More than one list member has asked by off-list email how to make silver protein. I thought I would answer on the list just in case others wanted to know. I believe the questions arose as a result of the analysis we did for Innovative Natural Products colloidal silver which is actually silver protein. Aqueous solutions of silver protein in generic form are sold by many companies under various names including silver protein, mild silver protein, and of course colloidal silver. They are virtually all the same substance being offered in concentrations from 30 ppm up to several thousand ppm. An easy way to identify a silver protein product is to simply shake the bottle and observe the formation of foam. The form will persist for many minutes after the bottle is shaken. Silver protein in powder form is manufactured by several chemical companies and can be purchased from chemical supply houses. Aldrich sells it as their catalog number 29,824-7, 10 grams for $41.30. They used to sell 50 grams for $104.30 but have discontinued the 50 gram container. Other companies still sell it in larger quantities at substantial discounts. The 10 grams consist of approximately 20 percent silver and the balance is animal protein in the form of gelatin, just like Knox gelatin. So the 10 grams contains about 2 grams (2000 mg) of silver content. To produce the silver protein aqueous solutions being sold by so many companies, just add distilled water to the powder to achieve the silver concentration desired. For example, to make a 500 ppm solution, dissolve the 10 grams in 4 liters of distilled or DI water for a cost of $10.32 per liter. Or to make a 50 ppm solution, dissolve the 10 grams in 40 liters of water for a cost of about $1.03 per liter. If you take a look at the retail price of silver protein products it becomes clear why so many companies sell this stuff. That's all there is to it, simplicity in the extreme! Before everyone decides to rush off to make some of this stuff, you should know that the silver particles are encapsulated by the gelatin molecules and therefore the silver particles will not actually be able to contact a pathogen until the protein is removed. Ron Gibbs wrote in his booklet that they found live bacteria growing on the surface of the gelatin in such products. It is for good reason that many believe that the silver protein products represent the worst example of products labeled as colloidal silver. frank key -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSevere Cancer
I was glad to hear of your success using Clark's methods. I read one of her books and found it interesting and unconventionalIn your husband's case, werethe main therapeutic compents the liver cleanse the gall-bladder cleanse the anti-parasite formula Zapping ??? Or where there other aspects? I read only the All Diseases books, not the others. Cheers, JBB Heidrun Beer wrote: On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:38:26 -5, M. G. Devour wrote in 200308161637.jaa16...@mail.eskimo.com: Jonathan wrote: I would be glad to hear directly from anyone with experience of dealing with late-stage metastasized cancer using aggressive alternative methods. Just to make sure: Dr. Hulda Clark has developed a theory that cancer is caused by intestinal parasites, which undergo an unnatural procreation cycle in the human liver if certain chemicals are present, and secrete growth hormones that stimulate pre-damaged cells to develop into tumors. She also has developed a cure. I cannot tell about her success rates (she claims 100% where people really followed her advice), but it certainly cured my husband's lung cancer. Heidrun Beer Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training http://www.sgmt.at -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSph?
If the crust in the distiller is white, it's usually calcium or lime. If it's orange brown...probably iron. Ode At 09:37 AM 8/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: - Original Message - From: Leo Regehr leoel...@telusplanet.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 11:21 PM Subject: CSph? Thanks for the help and ideas so far. Well, I measured my filtered tap water just before it entered into my home distiller - it was about 7. The distilled water dripping out of the charcoal filter on the draining (outgoing) side was about 6 - one full point lower than the stuff going in! Does anyone know which mineral is most responsible for raising the ph - or lowering it as it is distilled out of the water and left as residue at the bottom of the boiling chamber? I repaired to my health food store shortly after my last post and bought some mineral solution that was supposed to raise the ph of distilled water. Six time I added 10 drops and measured each time. The ph paper changed a bit but not much. The water tasted odd. After I drank the water, it left me with a strange, but full feeling, not unpleasant. I sensed it was good for me and I will experiment a bit. I have been drinking dw for 30 years, and I may be suffering from mineral depletion and low ph because of long term use of this stuff. I tested my CS and it was the same ph as dw. But the calcium hydroxide solution (limewater) was sky high. Would it be advisable to raise the ph of our dw CS to make it more effective - any thoughts? Leo Leo, Distilled water should have a pH of 7.0, which is neutral. By definition, distilled water means water without anything else in it EXCEPT hydrogen and oxygen. This means NO MINERALS, either. If there are minerals in distilled water, it is no longer distilled. If your presumably distilled water has a pH that's anything EXCEPT 7.0, there is something else in the water that shouldn't be there -- *and your distiller is not doing its job.* When I was doing research for The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing, it took me over a year (I believe it was closer to two) to write about 10 pages. Those 10 pages were on water and minerals. I had to plough through various myths, hype, and misinformation from people selling everything from distillers to mineral supplements to water filters to diet books. I talked to many people, including doctors...many of whom, I discovered, didn't know as much as I was being forced to find out. I finally had a breakthrough when I was introduced to a lovely man, a chemist who was the head of the Functional Water Society. He spent many hours with me, clarifying points and directing me to numerous research. The fruits of my hard work are in the book. I thought the information was important enough to put onto my website. The link for my article on water and minerals is: http://www.drninasilver.com/default.asp?contentID=706 I think this article will answer your questions and clear up some confusion so that you know what questions to ask. Please note that distilled water may NOT be the best choice of water to drink on a long-term basis. Research has shown that people who drink water devoid of minerals become ill more frequently than those who drink mineral-rich water. Research has also shown that people who drink water with a pH of under 7.0 become sick, due to the water's acidifying effects. That is the reason for my recent post about looking for a good water distiller that truly produces distilled, 7.0 pH, water. Regards, Nenah Nenah Sylver, Ph.D. Products, services, and information about health Author, *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* Order the book and read excerpts at http://www.drninasilver.com (The website link will change shortly to reflect the name change.) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilverGen specs.
Have you had time to try making your own standard using salt using the data in Steve's post? I'll look into it. BTW The factory calibration on the meters appears to be quite consistant over the years. http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60245.html [...] Naptha does a wonderful job on flux residue...or use water base flux and wash well. I still use rosin core for prototypes. Thanks for the hint on Naptha - I'll get some and try it. ## Coleman stove fuel is naptha. Lighter fluid is naptha. It's good for removing sticker glue without harming most plastics too. 97% isopropal is good for removing magic marker, water based paints, stains in auto paint and cleaning up silicone caulks before it's completely drythe weak stuff doesn't work at all. Ode [...] Ode [Ken] Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThis was on Tech TV today
At 12:48 PM 8/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: Then that proves mind over matter! ## Yes it does..within limits of belief..and since all minds are absolutely connected somewhere behind the scenery, beliefs take on a commonality to a great degree. It could be said that mind IS matter..is what gives matter solidity, form and creates space and time for forms to be in, but mind would have to be existant in a context other than the grey stuff we believe it is for that to be true. There is much evidence that this is the case. Couldn't be? How solid are the objects in your dreams? How do you know how solid anything is? It's measured by instruments that exist in the same context as the dream...senses, even spectrometers. Beliefs don't alter reality, they alter how it's seen and experienced. How did they test the water? ## They did it two ways. The first positive finding was done by using a particular blood cell that reacted to a substance diluted to 30c [one drop in all the oceans in the universe?] by the original researcher that published his findings and made a big splash in the scientific world. The second positive was done with the same cells and a diluted to 30c histamine by the Royal Society confirming the 'splash'. The negatives were done by the Royal Society with the histamine but the vials were double coded by two different people so that no one, not even the people doing the coding, knew which were which . That's the only difference. [except that Randy the magician skeptic was involved and his 'certainty' may have shorted out the coders 'behind the scenes' communications] It should be done again without Randy. I used a UV scanning spectrometer to prove that water had memory. I can't say for water, but I know for a fact that quartz also has memory, and this does NOT depend on the experimenter knowing anything. When I was testing the memory, reiki was done on water inside the quartz vial that the spectrometer uses, and it totally messed up the quartz, making it unusable. I sent to back to Hach and they said the quartz was messed up with contamination or something, and all they could do was replace it. All that was ever in it was distilled water. Anyway, I got it back and had a friend do a mental clearing on it, and it was back to normal. ## An interesting clue! It should be noted that both believers and disbelievers have closed minds...in that both are certain and tend to find what they seek and have that confirmed to them as much as is possible without disrupting the entire fabric of the virtual universe, but neither discover the truth behind the findings. I was once an atheist..now I am skeptical. The world kept doing impossible things that had more and more highly improbable histories to validate whatever I chose to see until I could no longer ignore it. Things just got too weird for me to keep insisting that I knew what was going on. I gave up. ..then it got even weirder. I think everyone gets answers before they know what questions to ask...and get to avoid them for as long as they wish. If this universe was created by a perfect mind, then all the anomalies..things that don't fit within reasonable probability.. must be on purpose. There are a lot of anomalies... really strange 'corner of the eye' stuff that's BOTH provable AND deniable. Things both are and are not what they look like. Science is only magic that follows rules. The rules get bendy sometimes...then solidify into new rules and new sciences. Newton is about to get his butt kicked. The boot of doubt is rearing back Ode I guess I should rerun the tests as a double blind test. Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: Also on Tech TV last night was a story about the memory of water and homeopathy. It was proven that water itself has no memory..unless..the experimentor knew which vial had the homeopathic treatment. [something that was apparent as the common denominator between the various experiments but not dwelt upon for some reason] His/her gateway to the memory? Prayer, energy healing, Reikie [sp?], homeopathy...all interactive methods...all work. But induce certainty that they don't..and they don't. Skepticism is about doubt and has little or no effect. Most so-called skeptics are not skeptics. They are not doubtful, they are certain. Introduce certainty of failure into the interaction and that's what you 'access' so that's what you find. Seek and ye shall find A hologram has no preferences as to what you look for. [Holograms are whole, containing here AND there in any given spot...but defining a spot reduces resolution to where the closer you look, the less you can see.] You can hide anything behind a fractal. [Perception is quantum..either here OR there in 'appearance'. 'In between' cannot be perceived] If you contemplate a fractal design..zoom in on it...you can actually 'see' your perceptions take leaps when the fractal portion grows larger till it reaches the comprehensive limits of your
Re: CSproxy brushing
I've been brushing with a toothpaste I made with colloidal silver as one of the ingredients for 2 years and my teeth have not turned black. In fact since I started doing it the lady who cleans my teeth every 6 months has remarked that I'm doing a better job. At 09:58 AM 8/18/03, you wrote: Is there any chance that the CS could cause blackening of teeth/ Thanks! - Original Message - From: sol pcar...@wyoming.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 5:36 PM Subject: Re: CSproxy brushing Reid, I'd just use the CS with some H202. I use about 1 to 2 tsps of H202 for about 20 oz of CS. Rinse and swish the Cs as long as I can stand to hold it in my mouth, at least a couple minutes. This worked on my receded gums and tartar build up much better than the straight CS. I get the gum pockets measured again in Oct, but from the way my teeth feel, they should be much better. Add DMSO if you like, but I don't see the E and aloe vera adding anything useful, in fact, just my opinion, it seems like they would make the whole thing less effective. My CS is about 10 to 18 ppm, depending on which gen I use to make it. The larger/more particulate CS (judged by color, TE and PWT) wasn't being effective against the mouth bacteria, as judged by tartar build up. I've been unable to consistently make clear CS, so just started using the H202, and have found it puts the CS back to clear, increases ppm (just as I was told it would) and, for me, makes it much more effective. I still spray my eyes with it, too, and it doesn't sting or anything. paula - Original Message - From: Reid Harvey pott...@wlink.com.np Greetings Friends, but I'm also pushing in a mix of CS, DMSO, E and aloe vera. One problem I have is that I'm not sure the CS I'm using is doing the job, a couple of drops of Microdyn, large particle size. The ointment may be something like a couple of hundred ppm. But I do know that the 10 ppm CS is of the smaller particle size that can better penetrate the tissue. So What to do? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSproxy brushing
Great stuff!! - Original Message - From: David Bearrow dav...@sbcglobal.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 1:39 PM Subject: Re: CSproxy brushing I've been brushing with a toothpaste I made with colloidal silver as one of the ingredients for 2 years and my teeth have not turned black. In fact since I started doing it the lady who cleans my teeth every 6 months has remarked that I'm doing a better job. At 09:58 AM 8/18/03, you wrote: Is there any chance that the CS could cause blackening of teeth/ Thanks! - Original Message - From: sol pcar...@wyoming.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 5:36 PM Subject: Re: CSproxy brushing Reid, I'd just use the CS with some H202. I use about 1 to 2 tsps of H202 for about 20 oz of CS. Rinse and swish the Cs as long as I can stand to hold it in my mouth, at least a couple minutes. This worked on my receded gums and tartar build up much better than the straight CS. I get the gum pockets measured again in Oct, but from the way my teeth feel, they should be much better. Add DMSO if you like, but I don't see the E and aloe vera adding anything useful, in fact, just my opinion, it seems like they would make the whole thing less effective. My CS is about 10 to 18 ppm, depending on which gen I use to make it. The larger/more particulate CS (judged by color, TE and PWT) wasn't being effective against the mouth bacteria, as judged by tartar build up. I've been unable to consistently make clear CS, so just started using the H202, and have found it puts the CS back to clear, increases ppm (just as I was told it would) and, for me, makes it much more effective. I still spray my eyes with it, too, and it doesn't sting or anything. paula - Original Message - From: Reid Harvey pott...@wlink.com.np Greetings Friends, but I'm also pushing in a mix of CS, DMSO, E and aloe vera. One problem I have is that I'm not sure the CS I'm using is doing the job, a couple of drops of Microdyn, large particle size. The ointment may be something like a couple of hundred ppm. But I do know that the 10 ppm CS is of the smaller particle size that can better penetrate the tissue. So What to do? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS for cancer
Yes, I have in time come across a number of people who have cleared up skin cancers with cs - also moles/warts. One lady made an appointment to have a carcinoma surgically removed and after ten days of continual application of cs it dropped off by itself! Yvonne :o) - Original Message - From: terriken To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 1:38 AM Subject: CSCS for cancer This is to Trem: In regards to your posting of August 16 for your friend, (original posting of May 3) the dosage of 2 liters that you suggested per day, how many ppm would it be in this 2 liter amount? Just curious. Has anyone heard of any treatments for skin cancers with CS? Thanks for any info. Ken - terri...@surfbest.net
Re: CSproxy brushing
At 10:49 AM 8/18/2003 -0700, you wrote: Thanks, Ode. That makes sense if you want the benefits of H2O2 on your gums. On the other hand, someone else determined that adding it to the DW before making CS would result in smaller particles. ## I have not done this twice and you may get different results. Adding H2O2 to 46 oz distilled water, then running a batch of CS made silver metal flakes large enough to use in a paint job or one of those snow scene globes. [I don't recall how much H2O2..it may have been 6 drops or 1 teaspoon. The idea was to try using peroxide as a 'starter'] Conductivity never exceeded about 13 uS after many many many hours at 1 ma. Almost used up an entire 3 x 12 ga electrode. It got pretty thin. Letting that batch sit undisturbed for a month or two resulted in a deposit of white powder on the bottom about 1/8 deep which after another few months turned into about 50 1/32 dia black balls. The TE is currently extremly heavy and fine grained. PWT reads 13.2 uS and the meter was instantly thickly coated with silver like a mirror thick enough to completly obscure the black plastic on entry/exit to/from the batch but nothing apparent floating on the surface. Taking tiny sip..no appreciable flavor at all. That slight disturbance produced a tendril of white 'smoke' rising from the bottom. No detectable visual 'source' for it. Color is very faint yellow. [was faint blue hue in direct sunlight while still metalflaky if I rememeber right..it's probably been over a year ago that this batch was made. I considered it a total failure and didn't keep any documentation. I kept the batch because it was pretty.] Crystal clear in indirect light. Sun isn't here today. This stuff might well be in the 1000s of PPM. It's sorta scary. Different people adding H2O2 to CS get differing results over different time spans. If you place blackened oxided electrodes in H2O2, they will shine right up. If you leave those electrodes in the H2O2 for a while longer, they turn black again. So, maybe adding it before making CS would make smaller particles and then adding it to the CS before using it would provide the benefits of the oxygen to the gums. ## I've seen it make smaller particles...more particles...fewer particles and larger particles. I've seen CS go from murky to clear. From clear to murky. The only consistant thing H2O2 seems to do is remove color. After that..who knows? Anything can happensometimes the resulting CS has a blueish hue ..not quite a color but more like an elusive tint. I know that diluted H2O2 can cause nausea if drunk with food in the stomach (it foams in the stomach), so perhaps a person would not want to swallow the CS/H2O2 after rinsing the teeth. ## Add too much and you get to make faces like a rabid dog that just ate an angry skunk. Swallowing is out of the question. You just can't spit enough. Ode Any comments? Dick - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: Re: CSproxy brushing Absolutely AFTERWARDS [That loud enough?] Ode At 10:04 AM 8/16/2003 -0700, you wrote: Sol, Do you add the H2O2 before you start making the CS or after it is done? Dick - Original Message - From: sol pcar...@wyoming.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 8:36 AM Subject: Re: CSproxy brushing Reid, I'd just use the CS with some H202. I use about 1 to 2 tsps of H202 for about 20 oz of CS. Rinse and swish the Cs as long as I can stand to hold it in my mouth, at least a couple minutes. This worked on my receded gums and tartar build up much better than the straight CS. I get the gum pockets measured again in Oct, but from the way my teeth feel, they should be much better. Add DMSO if you like, but I don't see the E and aloe vera adding anything useful, in fact, just my opinion, it seems like they would make the whole thing less effective. My CS is about 10 to 18 ppm, depending on which gen I use to make it. The larger/more particulate CS (judged by color, TE and PWT) wasn't being effective against the mouth bacteria, as judged by tartar build up. I've been unable to consistently make clear CS, so just started using the H202, and have found it puts the CS back to clear, increases ppm (just as I was told it would) and, for me, makes it much more effective. I still spray my eyes with it, too, and it doesn't sting or anything. paula - Original Message - From: Reid Harvey pott...@wlink.com.np Greetings Friends, but I'm also pushing in a mix of CS, DMSO, E and aloe vera. One problem I have is that I'm not sure the CS I'm using is doing the job, a couple of drops of Microdyn, large particle size. The ointment may be something like a couple of hundred ppm. But I do know that the 10 ppm CS is of the smaller particle size that can better penetrate the
Re: CSResponse to my Introduction
As far as I know, aluminium is one of the causes of Alzheimers, especially cookware. Good luck! :o) - Original Message - From: oliver4i...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 1:58 AM Subject: CSResponse to my Introduction Thank you all for welcoming me to the list, specifically Chuck (I don't feel like a complete dummy any longer), Marshalee (anything you can email would be very much appreciated) and Jack (I am accessing the site as I write this...thanks!). I was looking for a natural alternative vs. what is synthetically manufactured as a catalyst for the body to heal itself. My pets started me on this road of interest...but, I got to thinking, why only for their health am I do this research? This could help me and, most especially, my father who has Alzheimer's. Does anyone know of any research on the benefits of CS with an Alzheimer's patient? Thank You All! Shizua Oliver Doggies: Dru, Cookie, Spike Kitties: Megalito Tequila What doesn't kill you makes you stronger
Re: CSResponse to my Introduction
Actaully there has been no causal relationship established. When one figures that the earths crust has a high percentage of aluminum, the small amount from aluminum cookware should be trivial. Brains with Alzheimers have an elevated level of aluminum but the reason for that is still unknown. It could be that the high aluminum content is a symptom instead of the cause, similar to a fever being the symptom of being sick, but not the cause. It could be that the disease causes a breakdown of the blood brain barrier so it lets toxic metals into the brain. At this point I know of know research that definitively tells us what the real cause is. Many researchers now think it may be a prion, but still not sure. Marshall BioSil wrote: As far as I know, aluminium is one of the causes of Alzheimers, especially cookware. Good luck! :o) - Original Message - From: oliver4i...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 1:58 AM Subject: CSResponse to my Introduction Thank you all for welcoming me to the list, specifically Chuck (I don't feel like a complete dummy any longer), Marshalee (anything you can email would be very much appreciated) and Jack (I am accessing the site as I write this...thanks!). I was looking for a natural alternative vs. what is synthetically manufactured as a catalyst for the body to heal itself. My pets started me on this road of interest...but, I got to thinking, why only for their health am I do this research? This could help me and, most especially, my father who has Alzheimer's. Does anyone know of any research on the benefits of CS with an Alzheimer's patient? Thank You All! Shizua Oliver Doggies: Dru, Cookie, Spike Kitties: Megalito Tequila What doesn't kill you makes you stronger
Re: CSThis was on Tech TV today
Ode Coyote wrote: At 12:48 PM 8/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: Then that proves mind over matter! ## Yes it does..within limits of belief..and since all minds are absolutely connected somewhere behind the scenery, beliefs take on a commonality to a great degree. It could be said that mind IS matter..is what gives matter solidity, form and creates space and time for forms to be in, but mind would have to be existant in a context other than the grey stuff we believe it is for that to be true. There is much evidence that this is the case. Couldn't be? How solid are the objects in your dreams? How do you know how solid anything is? It's measured by instruments that exist in the same context as the dream...senses, even spectrometers. Beliefs don't alter reality, they alter how it's seen and experienced. How did they test the water? ## They did it two ways. The first positive finding was done by using a particular blood cell that reacted to a substance diluted to 30c [one drop in all the oceans in the universe?] by the original researcher that published his findings and made a big splash in the scientific world. The second positive was done with the same cells and a diluted to 30c histamine by the Royal Society confirming the 'splash'. Doesn't sound like a very good test to me. Blood cells are alive, and connected with the doner. It is known that the thoughts of the doner will affect the cells over great distances. The real test would be to use a machine that is not alive and posses a link to a living person. The negatives were done by the Royal Society with the histamine but the vials were double coded by two different people so that no one, not even the people doing the coding, knew which were which . That's the only difference. [except that Randy the magician skeptic was involved and his 'certainty' may have shorted out the coders 'behind the scenes' communications] It should be done again without Randy. If they were using live cells then Randy would most certainly be expected to affect the results. I used a UV scanning spectrometer to prove that water had memory. I can't say for water, but I know for a fact that quartz also has memory, and this does NOT depend on the experimenter knowing anything. When I was testing the memory, reiki was done on water inside the quartz vial that the spectrometer uses, and it totally messed up the quartz, making it unusable. I sent to back to Hach and they said the quartz was messed up with contamination or something, and all they could do was replace it. All that was ever in it was distilled water. Anyway, I got it back and had a friend do a mental clearing on it, and it was back to normal. ## An interesting clue! It should be noted that both believers and disbelievers have closed minds...in that both are certain and tend to find what they seek and have that confirmed to them as much as is possible without disrupting the entire fabric of the virtual universe, but neither discover the truth behind the findings. I was once an atheist..now I am skeptical. The world kept doing impossible things that had more and more highly improbable histories to validate whatever I chose to see until I could no longer ignore it. Things just got too weird for me to keep insisting that I knew what was going on. Isn't that the truth. I am always having what is expected happen, although it should be impossible upon reflection. I found that I had my hands on the keyboard wrong once, so I should have been typing garbage, but until I noticed it, what went to the screen was correct, but once I noticed my hand was in the wrong place, I got garbage. Last night I went to turn the TV on, and missed the button with my finger, but it turned on anyway. Indeed it is a wierd universe! My daugher flipped a light switch one time and the light came on, only problem is she realized after she had flipped it, it was the wrong switch for that light. It is said that if you want something, then say it will come true. But the problem is that most of the time you still don't believe it will come true, so it doesn't. The very simple solution to that is to say whether I believe it or not after making statement that it will come true, that completely short circuits the belief so it no longer is working against you. Marshall I gave up. ..then it got even weirder. I think everyone gets answers before they know what questions to ask...and get to avoid them for as long as they wish. If this universe was created by a perfect mind, then all the anomalies..things that don't fit within reasonable probability.. must be on purpose. There are a lot of anomalies... really strange 'corner of the eye' stuff that's BOTH provable AND deniable. Things both are and are not what they look like. Science is only magic that follows rules. The rules get bendy sometimes...then solidify into new rules and new sciences. Newton
Re: CSThis was on Tech TV today
I notice the article says CS doesn't work either, which certainly is not true for me. And homeopathy works very well for me also. For one example a homeopathic eczema relief remedy combination helped me when doctor Rx'd Zyrtec (despite its unbelievable price!) did NOTHING. That is the fallacy in all these debunkers and their experiments--they all seem to be defining conventional medical treatments and pharmaceuticals as stuff that invariably works, when that is not true at all. Often conventional meds and treatments have lower success rates than alternatives. And in all the anti-alternative artilcles and programs I've ever seen they invariably conveniently forget to mention the toxicity and adverse reactions of conventional stuff. To see the truth of this statement all anyone has to do is get online and look up clinical studies on any particular drug or treatment, or even simpler, read any mfr's drug info package insert. Nothing works for everybody, everything works for somebody.no matter what the health problem or disease, if you are trying something that isn't working, for heaven's sake try something else. I'm as scared to die as anyone, and more scared of pain and suffering, but if I ever come down with Lyme or West Nile I'll be reaching for the CS, same if I ever get cancer, I'll up my CS dosage from ounces to quarts, and personally, I'd go through every alternative treatment on the planet before submitting to chemo/radiation/surgery. Those treatments are so awful, and I know of so very many people who went through horrors only to die within months anyway. paula -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSproxy brushing
Thanks, Ode, for the extended post and useful info. Maybe the unusual CS you made with peroxide added to the DW would be useful for external application. From your description it must be heavy with silver. But you are right, it would be unwise to drink it, or use it in the mouth where it could be absorbed into the blood. Didk - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:25 AM Subject: Re: CSproxy brushing At 10:49 AM 8/18/2003 -0700, you wrote: Thanks, Ode. That makes sense if you want the benefits of H2O2 on your gums. On the other hand, someone else determined that adding it to the DW before making CS would result in smaller particles. ## I have not done this twice and you may get different results. Adding H2O2 to 46 oz distilled water, then running a batch of CS made silver metal flakes large enough to use in a paint job or one of those snow scene globes. [I don't recall how much H2O2..it may have been 6 drops or 1 teaspoon. The idea was to try using peroxide as a 'starter'] Conductivity never exceeded about 13 uS after many many many hours at 1 ma. Almost used up an entire 3 x 12 ga electrode. It got pretty thin. Letting that batch sit undisturbed for a month or two resulted in a deposit of white powder on the bottom about 1/8 deep which after another few months turned into about 50 1/32 dia black balls. The TE is currently extremly heavy and fine grained. PWT reads 13.2 uS and the meter was instantly thickly coated with silver like a mirror thick enough to completly obscure the black plastic on entry/exit to/from the batch but nothing apparent floating on the surface. Taking tiny sip..no appreciable flavor at all. That slight disturbance produced a tendril of white 'smoke' rising from the bottom. No detectable visual 'source' for it. Color is very faint yellow. [was faint blue hue in direct sunlight while still metalflaky if I rememeber right..it's probably been over a year ago that this batch was made. I considered it a total failure and didn't keep any documentation. I kept the batch because it was pretty.] Crystal clear in indirect light. Sun isn't here today. This stuff might well be in the 1000s of PPM. It's sorta scary. Different people adding H2O2 to CS get differing results over different time spans. If you place blackened oxided electrodes in H2O2, they will shine right up. If you leave those electrodes in the H2O2 for a while longer, they turn black again. So, maybe adding it before making CS would make smaller particles and then adding it to the CS before using it would provide the benefits of the oxygen to the gums. ## I've seen it make smaller particles...more particles...fewer particles and larger particles. I've seen CS go from murky to clear. From clear to murky. The only consistant thing H2O2 seems to do is remove color. After that..who knows? Anything can happensometimes the resulting CS has a blueish hue ..not quite a color but more like an elusive tint. I know that diluted H2O2 can cause nausea if drunk with food in the stomach (it foams in the stomach), so perhaps a person would not want to swallow the CS/H2O2 after rinsing the teeth. ## Add too much and you get to make faces like a rabid dog that just ate an angry skunk. Swallowing is out of the question. You just can't spit enough. Ode Any comments? Dick - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: Re: CSproxy brushing Absolutely AFTERWARDS [That loud enough?] Ode At 10:04 AM 8/16/2003 -0700, you wrote: Sol, Do you add the H2O2 before you start making the CS or after it is done? Dick - Original Message - From: sol pcar...@wyoming.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 8:36 AM Subject: Re: CSproxy brushing Reid, I'd just use the CS with some H202. I use about 1 to 2 tsps of H202 for about 20 oz of CS. Rinse and swish the Cs as long as I can stand to hold it in my mouth, at least a couple minutes. This worked on my receded gums and tartar build up much better than the straight CS. I get the gum pockets measured again in Oct, but from the way my teeth feel, they should be much better. Add DMSO if you like, but I don't see the E and aloe vera adding anything useful, in fact, just my opinion, it seems like they would make the whole thing less effective. My CS is about 10 to 18 ppm, depending on which gen I use to make it. The larger/more particulate CS (judged by color, TE and PWT) wasn't being effective against the mouth bacteria, as judged by tartar build up. I've been unable to consistently make clear CS, so just started using the H202, and have found it puts the CS back to clear, increases ppm (just as I was told it
CSRe: The electromagnetic Infection in Homeopathy
Greetings to all [ German chemist Kurt Geckeler and his colleague Shashadhar Samal stumbled on the effect while investigating fullerenes at their lab in the Kwangju Institute of Science and Technology in South Korea. They found that the football-shaped buckyball molecules kept forming untidy aggregates in solution, and Geckler asked Samal to look for ways to control how these clumps formed. What he discovered was a phenomenon new to chemistry. When he diluted the solution, the size of the fullerene particles increased, says Geckeler. It was completely counterintuitive, he says. Further work showed it was no fluke. To make the otherwise insoluble buckyball dissolve in water, the chemists had mixed it with a circular sugar-like molecule called a cyclodextrin. When they did the same experiments with just cyclodextrin molecules, they found they behaved the same way. So did the organic molecule sodium guanosine monophosphate, DNA and plain old sodium chloride. Dilution typically made the molecules cluster into aggregates five to 10 times as big as those in the original solutions. The growth was not linear, and it depended on the concentration of the original. The history of the solution is important. The more dilute it starts, the larger the aggregates, says Geckeler. Also, it only worked in polar solvents like water, in which one end of the molecule has a pronounced positive charge while the other end is negative. ] Perhaps the answer to this biochemical anomaly may be found in The Physical Basis of Homeopathy and a New Synthesis by Dr. Guy Beckley Stearns MD and Edgar D. Evia Please click What is Homeopathic Potency ? in URL : http://lewfh.tripod.com/electromagneticinfectioninhomeopathy/ With regards Lew Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHow To Make Silver Protein
More than one list member has asked by off-list email how to make silver protein. I thought I would answer on the list just in case others wanted to know. I believe the questions arose as a result of the analysis we did for Innovative Natural Products colloidal silver which is actually silver protein. Aqueous solutions of silver protein in generic form are sold by many companies under various names including silver protein, mild silver protein, and of course colloidal silver. They are virtually all the same substance being offered in concentrations from 30 ppm up to several thousand ppm. An easy way to identify a silver protein product is to simply shake the bottle and observe the formation of foam. The form will persist for many minutes after the bottle is shaken. Silver protein in powder form is manufactured by several chemical companies and can be purchased from chemical supply houses. Aldrich sells it as their catalog number 29,824-7, 10 grams for $41.30. They used to sell 50 grams for $104.30 but have discontinued the 50 gram container. Other companies still sell it in larger quantities at substantial discounts. The 10 grams consist of approximately 20 percent silver and the balance is animal protein in the form of gelatin, just like Knox gelatin. So the 10 grams contains about 2 grams (2000 mg) of silver content. To produce the silver protein aqueous solutions being sold by so many companies, just add distilled water to the powder to achieve the silver concentration desired. For example, to make a 500 ppm solution, dissolve the 10 grams in 4 liters of distilled or DI water for a cost of $10.32 per liter. Or to make a 50 ppm solution, dissolve the 10 grams in 40 liters of water for a cost of about $1.03 per liter. If you take a look at the retail price of silver protein products it becomes clear why so many companies sell this stuff. That's all there is to it, simplicity in the extreme! Before everyone decides to rush off to make some of this stuff, you should know that the silver particles are encapsulated by the gelatin molecules and therefore the silver particles will not actually be able to contact a pathogen until the protein is removed. Ron Gibbs wrote in his booklet that they found live bacteria growing on the surface of the gelatin in such products. It is for good reason that many believe that the silver protein products represent the worst example of products labeled as colloidal silver. frank key -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThis was on Tech TV today
[except that Randy the magician skeptic was involved and his 'certainty' may have shorted out the coders 'behind the scenes' communications] It should be done again without Randy. _ I wouldn't be surprised if Randy did a sleight of hand and substituted the bottles. That... person... is without scruples. Dan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSafe Water
WARNING TO ALL C.S. MAKERS POLAND SPING JUST GOT BUSTED BY THE F.D.A. FOR SELLING TRASH WATER... STEAR CLEAR OF THEM FOR A BIT, TILL THEY GET THEIR DAMN GREEDY LITTLE HEADS SCREWED ON STRAIGHT... SEEMS THEY COULDN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SPRING A SEPTIC TANK ! :P - Original Message - From: Robert Berger bober...@swbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:32 PM Subject: Re: CSSafe Water Hi Bob, I would suspect that the water department has increased the chlorine content to speed up the decontanination. The chlorine will precipate the silver ions into silver chloride, which is 1/10 as effective as the ions. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSafe Water
What most people that buy Poland Spring water don't know is that the original Poland Spring that the water originally came from, dried up years ago, and they have been selling junk water ever since. They used to sell extremely good water. Jim colloidal.sil...@cox.net wrote: WARNING TO ALL C.S. MAKERS POLAND SPING JUST GOT BUSTED BY THE F.D.A. FOR SELLING TRASH WATER... STEAR CLEAR OF THEM FOR A BIT, TILL THEY GET THEIR DAMN GREEDY LITTLE HEADS SCREWED ON STRAIGHT... SEEMS THEY COULDN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SPRING A SEPTIC TANK ! :P - Original Message - From: Robert Berger bober...@swbell.net mailto:bober...@swbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:32 PM Subject: Re: CSSafe Water Hi Bob, I would suspect that the water department has increased the chlorine content to speed up the decontanination. The chlorine will precipate the silver ions into silver chloride, which is 1/10 as effective as the ions. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: CS3200 ppm CS Mexico¹s drinking water
Maybe argyria would be more difficult to detect on Mexicans and Indians than on Anglos??? Dick - Original Message - From: Reid Harvey pott...@wlink.com.np To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 7:56 PM Subject: Re: CS3200 ppm CS Mexico¹s drinking water Jack, As a result of something else that Alex said there are now a few points concerning Microdyn of which I'm not sure. In part of a response Alex said: .This Agua limpia is Microdyn (3200 ppm c.c.) but was produced by Roland Laboratories for the use in the purification for wasted water by the Mexican Government (I am pretty sure they NEVER let others to know the secret formula/production/research) They patented this way of making the C.S. (I believe they use a micro pulverize method named colloidal pulverizer mill) And yes there are several companies selling the C.S. in Mexico. But no one has the 3200 p.p.m... My question now concerns something I learned in Chemistry, where my knowledge of this discipline is quite incomplete. It has been my understanding that ions can only exist in solution, otherwise under very limited circumstances. My impression from prior discussions here is that the *best of the concentrated CS brands* may contain no more than about 0.5 to 1.0% of a protein stabilizer. But if a concentrated CS is made from *a micro pulveriser mill,* what does this say about other compounds that may be present? This is something to think about and I'm not saying CS made in this way is necessarily a problem, only that I now see question marks. I do know that there are companies in Spain that make a *powdered CS,* as I've mentioned here before. And my understanding from technical literature is that one of these brands contains 80% silver. So what else is present? As to Microdyn, I should say that I have no particular reason to believe it has problems, but I am also curious about cases of argyria in Mexico, documented or anecdotal. If for no other reason this would be of interest for a society in which there is a lot of exposure to silver. I also mentioned earlier that in a 250 ml. glass I found, using the Hanna PWT, that each 1 drop of the Mexican 3200ppm CS added 1.0 ppm to the water. So 10 drops gave 10 ppm. At this rate for any questionable 20%, indicating 2.0 ppm (let us say for the sake of argument) of a silver compound, would this pose a possible cosmetic problem? For that matter what about people in our part of the world, South Asia, who are eating sweets that are covered with silver leaf? I would also like to say that I think Alex Torres appears to be doing wonderful work. Incidentally, Alex said only Microdyn makes CS as concentrated as 3200ppm, but we who saturate ceramic filters have used products as high as 32,000 ppm, 3.2 % solution. Reid Jack Dayton said: 3200 ppm CS Mexico¹s drinking water It is hard to know how to write this, but I becameinterested in high concentration CS about 6 months ago after an exchange of messages between Bill Missett and myself. At the time Bill was living in Mexico, and had, on more than one post, mentioned Mexican made CS that was being sold as 3200 ppm. I suggested that he might like to become a reseller to interested list members, because of the extremely low price it was available for there. That didn¹t work out -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSafe Water
WARNING TO ALL C.S. MAKERS POLAND SPING JUST GOT BUSTED BY THE F.D.A. FOR SELLING TRASH WATER... STEAR CLEAR OF THEM FOR A BIT, TILL THEY GET THEIR DAMN GREEDY LITTLE HEADS SCREWED ON STRAIGHT... SEEMS THEY COULDN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SPRING A SEPTIC TANK ! http://www.finewaters.com/News_Events/News/Controversy_Springs_Eternal!!.asp -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: CS3200 ppm CS Mexico¹s drinking water
Reid Jack: There are at least five companies in Mexico producing CS with the same rating as Microdyn (not 3200 ppm, but rather 0.32 percent CS rating on the label). Some go higher, to 0.35 and 0.36. We went around and around on this issue years ago, and to my knowledge, no one has ever tested Microdyn for its actual ppm rating. But it is very potent, working in DROP dosages instead of teaspoon or tablespoon doses. About one year ago, Microdyn repackaged its product, going from a 25 ml bottle to a 15 ml bottle, keeping the price the same. At the same time, one of the CS competitors, Bac-Dyn, produced a 35 ml bottle at a lower price than the 15 ml Microdyn. (About 80 cents a bottle versus $1US) I quickly bought up about 15 bottles of the Bac-Dyn. (CS price wars in Mexico!!) But about 8-10 months ago, I read a post from Marshall Dudley (I believe) who said he had produced a bad batch of CS, and it had turned his fingernails blue. I checked my fingernails, and damned if they weren't blue. I blamed the Bac-Dyn, because I had been taking MicroDyn for six years with no problems whatsoever. I immediately stopped taking the Bac-Dyn internally (but kept using it externally) and within three months, my fingernails were back to normal. Although practically everybody in Mexico uses Microdyn or one of the other CS products, I have never seen a blue Mexican. They are all a lovely shade of brown. That's about as anecdotal as you can get. Bill Missett Puerto Escondido, Oaxaca, Mexico ps: MicroDyn also sells its product in 12 liter bottle sizes, at huge discounts. I understand it is available at the Price Club and Sam's Club in Acapulco, the nearest big city to me. - Original Message - From: Reid Harvey pott...@wlink.com.np To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:56 PM Subject: Re: CS3200 ppm CS Mexico¹s drinking water Jack, As a result of something else that Alex said there are now a few points concerning Microdyn of which I'm not sure. In part of a response Alex said: .This Agua limpia is Microdyn (3200 ppm c.c.) but was produced by Roland Laboratories for the use in the purification for wasted water by the Mexican Government (I am pretty sure they NEVER let others to know the secret formula/production/research) They patented this way of making the C.S. (I believe they use a micro pulverize method named colloidal pulverizer mill) And yes there are several companies selling the C.S. in Mexico. But no one has the 3200 p.p.m... My question now concerns something I learned in Chemistry, where my knowledge of this discipline is quite incomplete. It has been my understanding that ions can only exist in solution, otherwise under very limited circumstances. My impression from prior discussions here is that the *best of the concentrated CS brands* may contain no more than about 0.5 to 1.0% of a protein stabilizer. But if a concentrated CS is made from *a micro pulveriser mill,* what does this say about other compounds that may be present? This is something to think about and I'm not saying CS made in this way is necessarily a problem, only that I now see question marks. I do know that there are companies in Spain that make a *powdered CS,* as I've mentioned here before. And my understanding from technical literature is that one of these brands contains 80% silver. So what else is present? As to Microdyn, I should say that I have no particular reason to believe it has problems, but I am also curious about cases of argyria in Mexico, documented or anecdotal. If for no other reason this would be of interest for a society in which there is a lot of exposure to silver. I also mentioned earlier that in a 250 ml. glass I found, using the Hanna PWT, that each 1 drop of the Mexican 3200ppm CS added 1.0 ppm to the water. So 10 drops gave 10 ppm. At this rate for any questionable 20%, indicating 2.0 ppm (let us say for the sake of argument) of a silver compound, would this pose a possible cosmetic problem? For that matter what about people in our part of the world, South Asia, who are eating sweets that are covered with silver leaf? I would also like to say that I think Alex Torres appears to be doing wonderful work. Incidentally, Alex said only Microdyn makes CS as concentrated as 3200ppm, but we who saturate ceramic filters have used products as high as 32,000 ppm, 3.2 % solution. Reid Jack Dayton said: 3200 ppm CS Mexico¹s drinking water It is hard to know how to write this, but I becameinterested in high concentration CS about 6 months ago after an exchange of messages between Bill Missett and myself. At the time Bill was living in Mexico, and had, on more than one post, mentioned Mexican made CS that was being sold as 3200 ppm. I suggested that he might like to become a reseller to interested list members, because of the extremely low price it was available for there. That didn¹t work
CSDistillers
Has anyone used the Kenmore water purifier/distiller? I see a number of them on Ebay for under $50. It says, Kenmore Deluxe Water Purifier with Electric Monitor~~ Countertop water purifier provides great tasting, pure water your family can trust. Produces 6 gallons of purified water per day. Reduces lead, arsenic , nitrates, sodium and chromium VI. Eliminates cysts (Cryptosporidium and Giardia), bacteria and viruses. Reduces 99 percent of total dissolved solids. 800 watts of power, plugs into any standard outlet. Convenient LCD readout displays time of day, auto start, and filter change indicator. System tested to ANSI/NSF Standard 62. Convenient drip-less Stop and Serve feature lets you enjoy purified water from carafe at anytime! I think the key is, Reduces lead, etc. Supposedly makes 6 gals a day, but if run through twice, would it eliminate all. And could it be accurately checked with a Hanna TDS meter? If OK on both products I would think it could pay to invest in them, especially if one was making larger quantities of CS. Commercial steam DW, at $1 a gal, and higher, is not always perfectly pure either, I have heard, and show somewhat high PPM. Anyone care to offer your experience or opinion with either product? Thanks, Dick -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDistillers
I own 3 of them,,better than a $300 one I also own,,which died after several years.. | Has anyone used the Kenmore water purifier/distiller? I see a number of them | on Ebay for under $50. | | -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSUpdate on lesions on NY Fireman
Hello Everyone, Well the biopsy and culture results are in. The lab that received the biopsy sample was unable to identify the sample so they forwarded it to Dr. Martin C Mihm of Harvard Medical school. The diagnosis was Pityriaslform dermatisis with focal interface change, focal slight extravasation of red blood cells and a mild parakeratotic scale. If you will recall I mentioned that Gary had Hep C. I had suspected that the colloidal silver was killing off the Hep C and that these lesions were a result. Well this was in Dr. Mihm's comments: The presence of interface dermatitis with a superficial perivascular infiltrate in one of the id-like reactions that one see's without vasculitis to hepatitis B, hepatitis C. I would consider this most probably and id-like reaction to the hepatitis if the hepatitis is especially in some type of exacervation that would support this diagnosis. Gary has tested undetectable for Hep C for a year but, we were warned that the treatment is more like remission than cure which is why I wanted him to use the colloidal silver to rid his system of the virus. He had has the most recent Hep C RNA test done 7/9/03 Interestingly the treatment is sun light. So Trem if you would be interested in this testimonial and a copy of the lab report just let me know. We are very pleased with our Silvergen unit. Teri Johnston t...@welshspringers.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSph?
Dick Rochon 8/18/03 10:42 AM Wrote: If drinking distilled water on a regular basis, would it be wise to add colloidal minerals? ** So, it couldn't hurt already, but why bother with colloidal minerals? A good multi with all of the trace minerals is a good idea without consideration of DW intake. Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThis was on Tech TV today
I am lost Jack. What Tech Tv. That was days ago and I don't remember what happened this morning. I say F*** them all if they are the disinfo group, anyway. If you are talking about CS, it works for me. Sincerely Yours, Hank http://hdka.stormpages.com/indexf.html http://www.babelmagazine.com/wing.html http://members.myecom.net/hdka/ct/ct.html Just because you don't take an interest in politics and government, doesn't mean that politics and government isn't taking an interest in YOU. - Original Message - From: Jack Dayton To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:55 PM Subject: Re: CSThis was on Tech TV today Hank 8/17/03 7:43 PM Wrote: To hell with them. If it works then tell them to go to H**. It works for me. * Yeah, you rant here, but what did you say to Tech TV ? Jack Dayton -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/03
Re: CSResponse to my Introduction
I have been reading about micoplasma and auto immune diseases. I have come to the conclusion that very many auto immune diseases are caused by micoplasma. I have had first hand experience with CS helping MS, Lupus, Croanes, Fibromyalgia and rheumatoid arthritis. All of these have responded very well to drinking 16 oz. of 10 ppm CS 8 drops of H2o2 slowly everyday. Since Alzheimer's is also an auto immune disease I would definately giove it a try. Nancy DeLise - Original Message - From: Helena Hsu To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:21 PM Subject: Re: CSResponse to my Introduction Aloha from Hawaii Shizua, Double click on this website: Galantamind1 This site has something for people who has Alzheimer's. You should first read their info and decide if it will help your father. I found this place had the cheapest price. I ordered mine for $54.00 plus 4.95 SH You can do a further search on google for info on the herb Galantamine I'm sure, others with more experience on the usage of CS will answer your CS question. Warmest Regards, Helena ~~~ At 07:58 PM 08/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: From: oliver4i...@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:58:58 EDT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSResponse to my Introduction This could help me and, most especially, my father who has Alzheimer's. Does anyone know of any research on the benefits of CS with an Alzheimer's patient? Thank You All! Shizua Oliver Doggies: Dru, Cookie, Spike Kitties: Megalito Tequila What doesn't kill you makes you stronger
Re: CSRe: HVDC and higher ppm
Ode, Thanks so much for this information, very helpful. In fact I've just saturated some ceramic candles with the gray solution, which based on what you've written I assume to be about 60ppm, accounting for the ion and the oxide. Actually, wanting still more silver I've saturated three times, quick drying in a hot oven between soakings. I can't think of any reason the heat would be deleterious. Can anybody? Afterwards we'll seal the candles closed and do membrane filtration tests for e coli. We'll also use some control candles, which contain no silver. Testing both groups of candles we'll hopefully be able to determine whether this kin d of silver oxide saturation can be effective. Reid Ode Coyote wrote: Silver oxide is black to dark reddish brown. Metallic silver particles in high concentration may appear grey. The PWT ..ANY meter...only reads conductivity in microsiemens, some convert to PPM for you but the conversion applies to dissolved solids such as salt, not necessarily silver. A PPM meter reading should be doubled for silver ions. No meter registers on particles. The ratio of ions to particles is not a direct ratio. At 10 uS there may be 99% ions. At 20 uS that may be 80% ions and at 30 uS there may be 50 or 60% ions. So, at 30 uS you might actually have 60 PPM total silver. Many things can affect that ratio making it smaller or larger at a given conductivity and the meter won't tell the story. Observing the TE will give you an idea of what you have but no numbers. Sending the batch to a lab will give you numbers and someone elses 'idea' of what you have depending on how they did the measuring. An AA spectrometer is probably the best method going. Any method that depends on supplied solutions being accurate is suspect in my book. You just never know how good 'their' quality control is. Ode -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Proxy Brushing
Friends, Isn't it the case that H2O2 should not be gargled? Doesn't this errode the mercury in silver amalgam fillings? Or am I mistaking H2O2 for something else? Reid Ad hoc and ad loc, quid pro quo, so little time so much to know. The Nowhere Man in the Yellow Submarine. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: HVDC and higher ppm
Ode, You've said that it's particulate silver coming off of one of my electrodes, what I've mistaken for a cloud of ions. Would this be silver metal? I believe my distilled water to be good quality. Reid Ode Coyote wrote: Silver oxide is black to dark reddish brown. Metallic silver particles in high concentration may appear grey. The PWT ..ANY meter...only reads conductivity in microsiemens, some convert to PPM for you but the conversion applies to dissolved solids such as salt, not necessarily silver. A PPM meter reading should be doubled for silver ions. No meter registers on particles. The ratio of ions to particles is not a direct ratio. At 10 uS there may be 99% ions. At 20 uS that may be 80% ions and at 30 uS there may be 50 or 60% ions. So, at 30 uS you might actually have 60 PPM total silver. Many things can affect that ratio making it smaller or larger at a given conductivity and the meter won't tell the story. Observing the TE will give you an idea of what you have but no numbers. Sending the batch to a lab will give you numbers and someone elses 'idea' of what you have depending on how they did the measuring. An AA spectrometer is probably the best method going. Any method that depends on supplied solutions being accurate is suspect in my book. You just never know how good 'their' quality control is. Ode -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
