Re: CSWide anode DC

[Stuff]

Looking at the spiral would it be logarithmic and
3 dimensional starting tight at the bottom and
expanding upward and outward?

Try it.

High pressure systems, peace, growth as opposed
to the spiral compressing from the top and moving
to the bottom of the container while compressing
as in a tornado or hurricane... destruction, death...

Use the force, man.

Can you see it?

Did I communicate here?

stuff

At 06:37 PM 2/17/2004 -0500, you wrote:

Hi, Jan!

Thanks for asking for a clarification.
I intended that the flat spiral of silver wire
would be inside the vessel, not outside.
The vertical lead would also be inside and
rise up and out of the DW and over the
lip of the vessel where it would be
connected to the power supply by an
alligator clip.

Best regards,

Matthew



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Re: CSsinus congestion

[Stuff]

It wouldn't hurt...so why not try it?

I would suggest doing your own research to find the best
product or do you make your own?

stuff

At 02:12 PM 2/18/2004 +1100, you wrote:

Dear list,
I have an 18 year old nephew who is afflicted with a terrible body odour,
particularly at night, his mother has to wash his sheets every day.

He has been on antifungal mediction, Lamasil, plus other antibiotics, as
he has an acne problem. He currently is on no medication.

Would CS taken orally and applied topically kill off this troublesome
bacteria?

John in Australia


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Re: CSFood Poisoning

[Stuff]

At 09:48 PM 2/17/2004 -0600, you wrote:
snip


WayneI know I am a non-conformist


I salute you and all the non-conformists of the world.

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RE: CSMarshall; was: RE: CSChelation

[Thora Rasmussen]

I have those black circles you spoke about.  Do you know what causes them?

Thora

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 11:44 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSChelation

I used the Extreme Health herbal chelation.  Removed black rings I had
had around
my eyes for decades.  There are several agents in that including garlic
and that
herb that every recommends that starts with cit, but I can't remember
the name.

Marshall



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Re: CSCS and stomach cancer

[Jonathan B. Britten]

IPT was explained in one of the downloads I received.   Very 
interesting;  it was not the method used.   The clinic here took blood 
and somehow cultured the immune-response agents before re-injecting it.


I know a Dutch MD here who is an expert at endoscopy, which is 
supposedly one of the best ways to detect stomach cancer at an early 
stage.   Not many people care for the fiber-optic line going down the 
esophagus, though . . .






On Wednesday, Feb 18, 2004, at 13:44 Asia/Tokyo, TJ Garland wrote:

Did he look at IPT- insulin potentation therapy? -- Doses of insulin 
with very small doses of chemo. Maybe we should all have an annual 
AMAS test. Does anyone know the lab cost?




TJ Garland, CMO supplier
  there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people.






From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCS and stomach cancer
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 12:09:27 +0900

Cindy,

Thanks for your reply.  In this case,  the doctors were remarkably 
open to any effective methodology,  though they clearly had little 
hope;  they forbade nothing,  and in fact made a point of getting 
Cysplatin, at my friend's request.   That drug is used in England, 
his country,  but generally not in Japan.   As he'd found some 
information suggesting that drug might work, he asked the doctors to 
get it, and they did.


One of my points in writing about this sad case is that the door is 
wide open for any alternative researchers to make a breakthrough.   
It seems to me that when the prognosis is so poor,  both patients and 
at least some mainstream MDs may be more open to alternatives than 
otherwise.Some doctors, as you point out below,  are not so open, 
sadly.


JBB



On Wednesday, Feb 18, 2004, at 11:47 Asia/Tokyo, The Hatzfeld's wrote:


Jonathan -

I'm sorry for your loss.  I hope you find answers to your questions. 
 One
thing to know about traditional doctors, as in the case of a friend 
of ours
who has multiple health problems and he is currently being treated 
by an
Oncologist.  When I gently suggested green tea has been used to 
shrink
tumors etc. he asked his Doctor and was told if he tried any 
alternative
medicine/herbs etc. to go find another doctor.  I understand in the 
sense
that pharmacology is involved and if you add some things into the 
mix, it
could make the doctors job difficult.  That being said, if it were 
my life I

could not stay away from alternative methods.

Cindy



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Re: CSThe AMAS test for cancer

[Jonathan B. Britten]

It may also be worthwhile to check out herbal remedies, including 
bloodroot;  there are some astonishing photographs which show 
application of bloodroot to skin above breast cancer,  and the progress 
of the movement of the cancer to final expulsion.   I believe these 
photographs represent a bona-fide non-surgical cure for cancer;  a 
Google search will turn up quite a few hits.



On Wednesday, Feb 18, 2004, at 15:54 Asia/Tokyo, 
patriot2...@mindspring.com wrote:



From Bill Henderson's Cure Your Cancer Newsletter:

The destruction of the tumor cells leaves evidence in the blood serum 
which can be measured by means of the AMAS test.   Since this cell 
destruction is normal, the evidence is always present in a healthy 
person's body. High readings of the residue (Tag 1 and Tag 2 of the 
AMAS test) indicate that a lot of tumor killing activity is occurring 
in the body and further tests should be done to determine the cause. 
Call 1-800-9CATEST to receive information on the AMAS test and a free 
test kit.


I had breast cancer seven years ago.  My oncologist, working in a fine 
Southern California medical institution, follows my progress closely, 
but even there they do not offer the AMAS test.  I am considering 
looking into having it done on my own, as breast cancer is one that 
can recur anytime.


Marlys

CSIngrid Naiman on breast cancer and bloodroot

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Marlys,

Please see:

http://www.cancersalves.com/Case1.html

Although the image is a bit unpleasant,  I believe it honestly depicts 
the effects of bloodroot on cancer.There are many products 
available, including simple bloodroot tinctures.I believe that the 
herb selectively destroys abnormal tissue,  and bloodroot alone is 
probably less risky than salves containing zinc chloride, which is 
caustic ( and highly effective.)



I have been meaning to read Ingrid Naiman's book for several years but 
time flies. . . .  and I am not a clinician . . .



JBB



On Wednesday, Feb 18, 2004, at 15:54 Asia/Tokyo, 
patriot2...@mindspring.com wrote:



From Bill Henderson's Cure Your Cancer Newsletter:

The destruction of the tumor cells leaves evidence in the blood serum 
which can be measured by means of the AMAS test.   Since this cell 
destruction is normal, the evidence is always present in a healthy 
person's body. High readings of the residue (Tag 1 and Tag 2 of the 
AMAS test) indicate that a lot of tumor killing activity is occurring 
in the body and further tests should be done to determine the cause. 
Call 1-800-9CATEST to receive information on the AMAS test and a free 
test kit.


I had breast cancer seven years ago.  My oncologist, working in a fine 
Southern California medical institution, follows my progress closely, 
but even there they do not offer the AMAS test.  I am considering 
looking into having it done on my own, as breast cancer is one that 
can recur anytime.


Marlys

Re: CSNewbie questions

[Ode Coyote]

http://www.natural-immunogenics.com/flash_site.html
 Claim 2 and claim 4 confuse the definitions of 'particle' and 'ion' making
it sound like particles are very small ion sized while not exactly saying
'particles' are not what are being measured.
Energia  only charged particles [ions]
 Though technically speaking, ions ARE particles, there is a commonly held
difference in definition between charged ions and metallic particles
which appears to be intentionally blurred with misleading use of language
by someone [a scientist] who should know the difference.
 Further, the line gets criss crossed with conflicting definitions of
colloid without mentioning that a colloid is a suspension..saying in effect
that this 'ionic solution' is a colloidal suspension when it isn't and
saying that hybrid home made or other stuff is not a colloid when it ,at
least partially ,is.
 Independent analysis shows sovereign silver to be the 'hybrid' it claims
not to be. [Not that that's bad..it is a very good hybrid. There's
nothing wrong with a hybrid.]

 Then, using an electron microscope to prove it all..
 If I have my info correct, a tunneling electron microscope cannot take
pictures of a liquid, therefore, the liquid is dried, then sent to the
microscope.  But, when ionic silver is dried, it oxidizes, therefore, the
pics are of silver oxides, not ions..'energia charged particles' or even
metallic particles [because none of those are supposed to be in there].

 Frankly, I believe this CS to be very much the same as what you 'can' make
at home [highly ionic silver water] though maybe a bit better than what
'most' people make at home with a set of batteries.

I've run across a few people in the free energy field that mix terms to
confuse differences between horsepower, torque..watts and amps and volts
and so on...saying things without saying them? 
 Some would called them a fraud. Some would call them wealthy. [The two are
not necessarily cross defined]
 A lawyer is schooled in the art of deception..er..gross exaggeration..
without actually lying.
 Teflon banannas
  Ode

http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr03/cpr_03.htmlhttp://www.silver-co
lloids.com/Reports/cpr03/cpr_03.html

http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html








At 01:06 PM 2/17/2004 -0600, you wrote:
IMHO you won't learn much from 2 oz.   Bob S.



- Original Message -
From: The Hatzfeld's ha...@airmail.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: CSNewbie questions


 What I bought was Sovereign Silver - was 2 fl. oz. and cost $14.99.  Found
 this product from the site www.silvermedicine.org - they said it was the
 best on the market, however it's too expensive to buy a large quantity of
 it.  Until we've had a chance to use and experience results from CS it
 didn't make sense to invest in the equipment to manufacture.

 Thanks!

 Cindy


 - Original Message -
 From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 8:07 AM
 Subject: Re: CSNewbie questions


  You're not likely to get a quality product from the HFS.
   Most of it is MSP and some is chemical precipitate vs electrically
  isolated silver. [ A rare find in an HFS but still not always as labeled
  and still way over priced]
 
  Why MSP [mild silver protein] and chemical precipitate?  Because it's
  faster and cheaper to manufacture. Time is money.
   Why pay 'them' when you can make your own for about a dollar a gallon
and
  actually have an idea what it is?..and isn't.
 
   The only one I know of who possibly makes and sells something different
  than what you would is our own Frank Key.
   http://www.purestcolloids.com
 
   The prices are decent at around $3 per oz at 20 PPM vs the $7 per oz at
3
  to 10 PPM that the HFS charges for very questionable products.
 
   Even if you buy a ready made automatic generator for $100 to $200,
it'll
  make around 50 to 80 gallons per set of electrodes. After a hundred
  gallons, the price per gallon goes down to just over that of water while
  the first 100 gallons would include the cost of the generator at around
$3
  per gallon or less.
 
   Even making your own simple generator with nothing more than batteries
 and
  wire does better than the HFS.
 
  Ode
 
  At 11:43 AM 2/16/2004 -0600, you wrote:
  As a newcomer I'd love to know why CS costs so much?  I went to the HFS
  yesterday and a large bottle was $70 or so.  Are there any sources for
  quality products at decent prices?
  
  Thanks in advance,
  
  Cindy
  
  
  
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Re: CSsinus congestion

[Ode Coyote]

..what Marshall said..
 adding that you're not 'likely' to find decent CS at the store for any price.

Ode

At 03:37 PM 2/17/2004 -0500, you wrote:
Marcela Weiland wrote:

 Hi,

 I am new to this group and I would like to get a little more information on
 CS.  I have heard so many contradicting opinions and some people say
that it
 is really bad for your body.

I don't think you will find this statement by anyone who has researched it.

  My son has had sinus congestion for weeks now
 and I am starting to think it is an infection. Would this be an appropriate
 treatment for that?  Has anyone used CS for sinus congestion or infections?

Yep, works great.  Nebulize it and it will do the job, or just turn the head
back and irrigate the nasal passages.


 Now, I also understand you can make your own.  I buy a 4oz bottle for about
 $40.00.  Does anyone know of a place where I can find it cheaper and which
 one is the best brand?

Check the archives, and several of the people here will make and sell them to
you.

 I have alos heard that CS kills the good flora in
 your stomach just like antibiotics.

There are no good bacteria in your stomach. The stomach should be sterile,
and
if not, then the bacteria must be bad.  Good bacteria live in the colon, and
most CS does not make it to the colon, and that which does is ineffective
unless
the contents are liquid, in which case you would want it to clean up the
pathogens causing the dysentary.

Marshall

 Is this true?  I would appreciate any
 suggestions on this subject and again thank you for taking the time to read
 this.

 Marcela

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CSsilver for weight loss

[horne]

Noticed this addy (a yahoo sponsor) this morning while looking around at
Yahoo groups.

http://www.hemiscorp.com/default.aspx?source=yahoo1

Will the FDA crack down on their claims?

Connie


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Re: CSWide anode DC

[Ode Coyote]

  In your case Jan, the loop is, in effect, a partial spiral.
What they're talking about here is using electrodes of unequal size.
If you substitute a piece of #10 copper wire for one electrode and make it smaller than the other silver electrode [+ polarity], you'll get that same effect on a smaller scale.
They did not mention the orientation of the other electrode.  If the tip is pointed at the spiral vs the length being parallel, you'll get a lot of edge discharge and higher current density.
Good/ bad?  You decide. [I try to limit that as much as possible]

The copper will have a temporary effect on oxides and will beome excessivly black till it gets silver plated.

..on that note..
I finally made a quart batch of CS, run for 5 hours in .4 uS water, that turned slightly yellow in a few days. [19.2 uS, metered 24 hours after making it...most likely 18.8 PPM]
I threw a piece of polished clean copper wire in the bottom and let it sit for 3 days. [just to see what would happen]
The copper wire became encrusted with a heavy black deposit and the CS went crystal clear with no color...but now meters out at 11.3 uS and has a very very nice TE.

Ode



At 06:37 PM 2/17/2004 -0500, you wrote: 

Hi, Jan!
  
Thanks for asking for a clarification.
I intended that the flat spiral of silver wire
would be inside the vessel, not outside.
The vertical lead would also be inside and
rise up and out of the DW and over the
lip of the vessel where it would be
connected to the power supply by an
alligator clip.
  
Best regards,
  
Matthew





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RE: CSsinus congestion

[reglee]

Hi John 

Of course it does!! If you get the right type of CS.

Reg

-Original Message-
From: Stuff [mailto:st...@laguna.com.mx] 
Sent: Wednesday, 18 February 2004 1:00 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSsinus congestion


It wouldn't hurt...so why not try it?

I would suggest doing your own research to find the best
product or do you make your own?

stuff

At 02:12 PM 2/18/2004 +1100, you wrote:
Dear list,
I have an 18 year old nephew who is afflicted with a terrible body
odour,
particularly at night, his mother has to wash his sheets every day.

He has been on antifungal mediction, Lamasil, plus other antibiotics,
as
he has an acne problem. He currently is on no medication.

Would CS taken orally and applied topically kill off this troublesome
bacteria?

John in Australia


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CSWide anode DC

[Matthew McCann PE]

Hi, Stuff!

I was thinking of just a flat spiral, to minimize
the possibility of a hotspot of concentrated
electric field, as Ode alluded to. But maybe
this is not significant for low voltages.
Jan's idea of a conical spiral may have some
advantage, as you allude to. Only experience can
decide, and this is all untrodden territory as yet.

The cathode could be made into a spiral too,
though it would be wasteful of good silver. Copper
could serve the purpose, as Ode points out.

This whole thing is starting to resemble Yin and
Yang!

Matthew

Re: CSEmailing: ANS00971

[Marshall Dudley]

I would love to, but links to sites that make claims is treated as if we made
the claims.  The best I could do would be to maybe suggest that people search
the net using Google for more information, and suggest search terms that would
put your site at the top.

Marshall

Jan Stoeten wrote:

 Hello Marshall,

 Here, in the Netherlands, I will be setting up a website that should be up
 and running by March 16th. We do not have an FDA or anything like it. It is
 possible to make many health claims on your site in the Netherlands. I was
 thinking of making MANY, MANY claims on my future site that will starting
 off with the best and cheapest colloidal silver in our country. If there is
 a way that your site (or those of others) could access (link to) my claims
 without the FDA breathing down your neck, then I would be more than pleased
 to be of any assistance. Let me know what you think.

 All the best,
 Jan Stoeten, the Netherlands

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 From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 3:50 PM
 Subject: Re: CSEmailing: ANS00971

  The FDA really gives the CS producers a catch 22.  I wanted to include
 some
  documentation that indicated that if one is chronically ill then they
 should
  start off with small amounts of CS. This would be a warning to prevent one
 from
  becoming very sick from a healing crisis.  But I can't do that because
 that says
  that CS kills pathogens, and then the FDA could come after me. So I am
 unable to
  give a real warning to a real possible problem due to the FDA wanting the
 people
  to not know that it works..
 
  Go figure.
 
  Marshall
 
  Thora Rasmussen wrote:
 
   It is my understanding that non drug products cannot make cure claims,
 so
   anything mentioning the actual way to use it would not be allowed.  This
   letter was trickily written.  It actually does not say it is dangerous.
 It
   just says the limitations on labelling.  I am unsure on what the US
 rules
   for dosage are, but I think what they are saying is that dosages need to
 be
   clearly marked.  In Canada many things will have dosage recommendations
 at a
   level that will not harm anyone, but for those people doing their own
   research, they will take however much they want.  If necessary, warnings
 can
   also be included to indicate if, for example, a rash or stomache ache
 occurs
   to discontinue use.  Here in Canada, there is no way you could possibly
   figure out how to use products unless you obtained the information in a
   different spot than the bottle.  Here, those 2 things cannot legally
 exist
   together.  That is why we often see one site with product info that does
 not
   really tell us how much to take and when.  The light warning against
 argyria
   looks like just a scare tactic without actually lying.  The abuse that
 is
   required to cause it is so way beyond even most radical users, but they
 just
   gotta throw that in there.  Wouldn't it be interesting to see this
 type of
   warning on every drug, food, and OTC medicine.  No one would leave there
   house!!  We'd all be scared to death!!
  
   Thora
  
   -Original Message-
   From: bob smith [mailto:rresm...@comcast.net]
   Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 2:33 PM
   To: silver-list@eskimo.com
   Subject: CSEmailing: ANS00971
  
   I just came across this article.  I had never heard of these
 restrictions on
   CS.  My understanding was that they did not find it harmful.  But there
   could be no claims made as to its benefits.   Bob Smith
  
   FDA
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 in
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 recognized
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   pneumonia, typhoid, tetanus and many others.
   According to the Final Rule, a colloidal silver product for any drug use
   will first have to be approved by FDA under the 

Re: CSThe Last Great Race

[Marshall Dudley]

Cool. When can we read the whole novel?

Marshall

M. G. Devour wrote:

 Bob Smith wrote:
  Some time back there was an account posted of a group of British
  mountain climbers being caught in a storm while climbing Mt. Everest,
  One of them was critically ill with a high fever.  One of the group took
  a flashlight battery and a silver medallion he was wearing and fashioned
  a crude generator.  He knew it was working when he saw bubbles forming,
  At the time I read it, I understood it to be even before the 20's It
  didn't say if the sick one survived.

 Oh LORDY!!! I can't stop laughing!

 Thank you for remembering that, Bob. However, that was a small piece of
 ***FICTION*** written by *ME* to illustrate a point.

 God, I *hope* that little snippet never makes it to the status of an
 urban legend! It would be the sort of thing that would hurt rather than
 help the cause of CS. sigh

 Also, note that the story is set in the near future, rather than
 distant past.

 If, however, somebody does know of such a tale that is real, I'd love
 to hear about it...

 To wit:

 --- Forwarded message (slightly edited from the original) ---

 Date forwarded: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:09:57 -0700
 From:   M. G. Devour mdev...@mail.id.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date sent:  Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:11:04 -5
 Subject:Re: CS protocol

 Reid wrote:

  Also if you want to get even simpler on Becks tape he uses
  one 9v battery. I don't think he was using distilled because it
  started to produce a white smoke as soon as he put the rods in the
  water.

 Sounds like a great field expedient setup. Hmmm...

 From _Miracle_in_the_Heights_, an as yet unwritten novel by your
 esteemed moderator. GRIN ...

 The fine silver medallion he wore at his neck was the answer. He had
 received the award from His Majesty for acts of heroism on the ill-
 fated expedition to Nepal in ought-six, and carried it in memory of the
 friends he lost there.

 Were there anyone to see, they would have noticed a moist glint at the
 edge of his eye as Commodore Peter Emtrey melted snow in his coffee mug
 over the diminutive camp stove.

 He then removed the battery from the GPS receiver, and the antenna
 clipleads from Martin's portable shortwave transceiver. He used one of
 the wires to connect the metal cup to the negative pole of the battery.
 The other, he attached between the positive terminal and the chain on
 which the medal hung.

 He dissolved two grains of salt from his mess kit into the warm water,
 and held the medallion by its chain in the middle of the cup. In the
 waning light filtering through the tent he could see streams of tiny
 bubbles rising to the surface, a sure sign that nearly invisible
 particles of silver were filling the liquid with their healing potency.

 The minutes dragged by, the wind and snow rocking the tent, perched on
 the precarious rock shelf.

 Martin groaned as the Commodore raised him up to receive the
 preparation. Here now, chap. Drink this. It'll help.

 Slowly, he administered sips of the life-saving colloid of silver to
 his fever-ridden comrade.

 Hours passed, the only sound the wind and quiet breathing. Emtrey twice
 repeated the treatment during the night, working by the dim light of
 the tiny solid state lamp.

 Not this time, he thought, his eyes looking far beyond the walls of
 the tent and the grey light of dawn, his thoughts returning to the
 heights of Nepal. No, not this time.

 --

 VERY BIG GRIN

 Be well, all.

 Mike D.

 [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
 [mdev...@eskimo.com]
 [Speaking only for myself...   ]

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RE: CSCalcium/Notmilk.com

[reglee]

Hi TJ
That www.notmilk.com is great reading!! Thanks for that.

Reg from the wild west of downunder.



-Original Message-
From: TJ Garland [mailto:goldenok...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 18 February 2004 9:31 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSCalcium/Notmilk.com

Human ratios.  Maybe www.notmilk.com  will convince you.



TJ Garland, CMO supplier
   there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people.





From: Wayne Fugitt wfug...@direcway.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSPhosphorous / Also Silver Deficiency
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:15:35 -0600

Morning TJ,

At 09:29 AM 2/15/04 -0500, you wrote:
My rerference says the calcium/phosphorous ratio should range between
1.3 
to 6.1- IOW 1.3 to 6.1 times more calcium

Are we talking about plant nutrition or human nutrition?

Both are interesting to me of course.

On one of my blood reports, my phosphorus was near the top end. I
don't 
think it was out of range.

 This did get my attention.  I still drink that awful stuff called 
milk.  grin

 I would be interested in any ideas of blood or tissue analysis, or

other organ function test that would indicate anything in my diet is
doing 
damage, especially milk.

My situation with milk, is much like the world leaders not being
able 
to find anything to take the place of WAR.  I have the complete report
of  
The Iron Mountain Meeting that was funded specifically to find
something 
to take the place of war.

   One point I failed to make in the discussion of  Chelated Minerals

will follow.

   Wayne




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Re: CSMarshall; was: RE: CSChelation

[Marshall Dudley]

Vince Richter wrote:

 Hi Marshal,

 You got my attention.  Next month I go to get my last 4 of 12 amalgam
 fillings out Yea, Yea!.  I went to the Extreme Health herbal Chelation
 site and was impressed with their product combined with your
 recommendation.  How much did you use of their Chelation product and for
 how long?

I ran through one pair of bottles (the chelation and the supplement), and my
health improved a great deal.  But I still had some dark circles under my
eyes, so a month or so later I did it again.

Note that when I first took it, I got pretty sick.  They said it was from
all the toxic metals being mobilized, and to cut my dosage and drink lots of
fluids.  So instead of 3 pills a day like I was suppose to take, I ended up
taking a pill, and feeling bad for 2 days, then take another pill on the 3rd
day.  After a week of this, I was able to make it a pill every other day,
then every day, then 2 a day, and toward the end I was able to take all 3 in
a day without getting sick.

Between that and the CS I was already taking I went from feeling bad all the
time, to almost never feeling bad.

Marshall



 You must have remembered the herb cilantro, also known as Chinese
 parsley.  It and garlic make great poor mans Chelation along with
 certain raw nuts for minerals.  I can grow cilantro and garlic, so am
 fixed for the maintenance stuff of Chelation.  I want to jump start the
 process and do the initial bulk of the Chelation taking the Extreme
 Health formulation along with their liver support formula.

 Thanks so much for your testimonial,

 Vince

 -Original Message-
 From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com]
 Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 11:44 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSChelation

 I used the Extreme Health herbal chelation.  Removed black rings I had
 had around
 my eyes for decades.  There are several agents in that including garlic
 and that
 herb that every recommends that starts with cit, but I can't remember
 the name.

 Marshall

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CSRe: CS Gel ingredients?

[Rowena Evans]

I've been looking at labels to see what people use in industrial gel products.  
Noticed some shower gel that contained gelatine.  Have been warned twice, once 
on this list, that gelatine is a good growth medium for germs.  Makes me wonder 
just how safe these things we buy are to use.  OK, quote Hulda at me.  

If Richard's been following this: how about it Richard?  What do pharmaceutical 
people use to produce a gel for topical use?  

Regards
Rowena


  I have previously read that the limit is a AW or MW of no greater than 340.
  Does anyone know where to find a definitive reference?
  JOH
  DMSO does not carry everything into the body, only molecules of a molecular
  weight of less than 1,000.
  Garnet

   When one buys a gel for topical application, what's in it that forms 
   the gel? I only know of gelatine and carrageenan to make a gel, and 
   can't see that either of those would be used.
   Rowena

Re: CSWide anode DC

[Stuff]

At 08:45 AM 2/18/2004 -0500, you wrote:

snip


Now that is supremely useful and I wonder why I didn't think of it.

Thanks, Ode.

Since I started making CS with Stuff's New Technique I've only had
2 liter bottles out of over maybe 30 that went yellow - and those
quite a while ago - but I'll post the details later.

stuff


..on that note..
I finally made a quart batch of CS, run for 5 hours in .4 uS water, that 
turned slightly yellow in a few days. [19.2 uS, metered 24 hours after 
making it...most likely 18.8 PPM]
I threw a piece of polished clean copper wire in the bottom and let it sit 
for 3 days. [just to see what would happen]
The copper wire became encrusted with a heavy black deposit and the CS 
went crystal clear with no color...but now meters out at 11.3 uS and has a 
very very nice TE.


Ode




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Re: CSMarshall; was: RE: CSChelation

[Marshall Dudley]

There can be a genetic propensity for them caused by thin skin under the eye.
In addition they can be caused by allergies, trauma (a black eye), or reaction
to toxins in the body, such as heavy metals.

Marshall

Thora Rasmussen wrote:

 I have those black circles you spoke about.  Do you know what causes them?

 Thora

 -Original Message-
 From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com]
 Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 11:44 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSChelation

 I used the Extreme Health herbal chelation.  Removed black rings I had
 had around
 my eyes for decades.  There are several agents in that including garlic
 and that
 herb that every recommends that starts with cit, but I can't remember
 the name.

 Marshall

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RE: CSThe Last Great Race

[Richard Harris]

Hi Mike,

Thanks for this delightful, entertaining and enchanting tale. Like I have
encouraged several others on your Site to write down their thoughts,
experiences and adventures, I encourage YOU to compile your writings into a
book or several. I urge you to clearly differentiate the facts from the
imaginary so as NOT to lead anyone into misapprenhensions about any story
being fact or fiction.

I have written 2 self-published books (check www.rharrisinc.com ) and I
would be glad to share my observations of How-to and How-Not-to to clear a
few of the many decisions from your path. I just called my
Printer/Publisher, Rick Roy, yesterday and was reassured that he would be
happy to guide any who requested his help in making proper, economical
decisions in their printing.

Thanks again, Mike for this excellent Site, for the Kindly, Gentlemanly Way
in which you restore and keep order on it. If I can help in any way, please
let me know.

Sincerely,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 2:58 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSThe Last Great Race


Bob Smith wrote:
 Some time back there was an account posted of a group of British
 mountain climbers being caught in a storm while climbing Mt. Everest,
 One of them was critically ill with a high fever.  One of the group took
 a flashlight battery and a silver medallion he was wearing and fashioned
 a crude generator.  He knew it was working when he saw bubbles forming,
 At the time I read it, I understood it to be even before the 20's It
 didn't say if the sick one survived.

Oh LORDY!!! I can't stop laughing!

Thank you for remembering that, Bob. However, that was a small piece of
***FICTION*** written by *ME* to illustrate a point.

God, I *hope* that little snippet never makes it to the status of an
urban legend! It would be the sort of thing that would hurt rather than
help the cause of CS. sigh

Also, note that the story is set in the near future, rather than
distant past.

If, however, somebody does know of such a tale that is real, I'd love
to hear about it...

To wit:

--- Forwarded message (slightly edited from the original) ---

Date forwarded: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:09:57 -0700
From:   M. G. Devour mdev...@mail.id.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date sent:  Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:11:04 -5
Subject:Re: CS protocol

Reid wrote:

 Also if you want to get even simpler on Becks tape he uses
 one 9v battery. I don't think he was using distilled because it
 started to produce a white smoke as soon as he put the rods in the
 water.

Sounds like a great field expedient setup. Hmmm...

From _Miracle_in_the_Heights_, an as yet unwritten novel by your
esteemed moderator. GRIN ...

The fine silver medallion he wore at his neck was the answer. He had
received the award from His Majesty for acts of heroism on the ill-
fated expedition to Nepal in ought-six, and carried it in memory of the
friends he lost there.

Were there anyone to see, they would have noticed a moist glint at the
edge of his eye as Commodore Peter Emtrey melted snow in his coffee mug
over the diminutive camp stove.

He then removed the battery from the GPS receiver, and the antenna
clipleads from Martin's portable shortwave transceiver. He used one of
the wires to connect the metal cup to the negative pole of the battery.
The other, he attached between the positive terminal and the chain on
which the medal hung.

He dissolved two grains of salt from his mess kit into the warm water,
and held the medallion by its chain in the middle of the cup. In the
waning light filtering through the tent he could see streams of tiny
bubbles rising to the surface, a sure sign that nearly invisible
particles of silver were filling the liquid with their healing potency.

The minutes dragged by, the wind and snow rocking the tent, perched on
the precarious rock shelf.

Martin groaned as the Commodore raised him up to receive the
preparation. Here now, chap. Drink this. It'll help.

Slowly, he administered sips of the life-saving colloid of silver to
his fever-ridden comrade.

Hours passed, the only sound the wind and quiet breathing. Emtrey twice
repeated the treatment during the night, working by the dim light of
the tiny solid state lamp.

Not this time, he thought, his eyes looking far beyond the walls of
the tent and the grey light of dawn, his thoughts returning to the
heights of Nepal. No, not this time.

--

VERY BIG GRIN

Be well, all.

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
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Re: CSThe Last Great Race

[Marshall Dudley]

I look forward to getting a copy.  I just wish he didn't put salt in the water.
LOL

Marshall

bob smith wrote:

 Marshall,
  Our highly esteemed list owner is the only one that can answer that.  I
 suspect that publication of this story is being held up by negotiations with
 a number of leading publishers.  I understand that they are outbidding each
 other for the publication rights.
 In my estimation, Mike's literary skills leaves Robert Ludlum a distant
 2nd. Bob Smith

 - Original Message -
 From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 9:00 AM
 Subject: Re: CSThe Last Great Race

  Cool. When can we read the whole novel?
 
  Marshall
 
  M. G. Devour wrote:
 
   Bob Smith wrote:
Some time back there was an account posted of a group of British
mountain climbers being caught in a storm while climbing Mt. Everest,
One of them was critically ill with a high fever.  One of the group
 took
a flashlight battery and a silver medallion he was wearing and
 fashioned
a crude generator.  He knew it was working when he saw bubbles
 forming,
At the time I read it, I understood it to be even before the 20's It
didn't say if the sick one survived.
  
   Oh LORDY!!! I can't stop laughing!
  
   Thank you for remembering that, Bob. However, that was a small piece of
   ***FICTION*** written by *ME* to illustrate a point.
  
   God, I *hope* that little snippet never makes it to the status of an
   urban legend! It would be the sort of thing that would hurt rather than
   help the cause of CS. sigh
  
   Also, note that the story is set in the near future, rather than
   distant past.
  
   If, however, somebody does know of such a tale that is real, I'd love
   to hear about it...
  
   To wit:
  
   --- Forwarded message (slightly edited from the original) ---
  
   Date forwarded: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:09:57 -0700
   From:   M. G. Devour mdev...@mail.id.net
   To: silver-list@eskimo.com
   Date sent:  Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:11:04 -5
   Subject:Re: CS protocol
  
   Reid wrote:
  
Also if you want to get even simpler on Becks tape he uses
one 9v battery. I don't think he was using distilled because it
started to produce a white smoke as soon as he put the rods in the
water.
  
   Sounds like a great field expedient setup. Hmmm...
  
   From _Miracle_in_the_Heights_, an as yet unwritten novel by your
   esteemed moderator. GRIN ...
  
   The fine silver medallion he wore at his neck was the answer. He had
   received the award from His Majesty for acts of heroism on the ill-
   fated expedition to Nepal in ought-six, and carried it in memory of the
   friends he lost there.
  
   Were there anyone to see, they would have noticed a moist glint at the
   edge of his eye as Commodore Peter Emtrey melted snow in his coffee mug
   over the diminutive camp stove.
  
   He then removed the battery from the GPS receiver, and the antenna
   clipleads from Martin's portable shortwave transceiver. He used one of
   the wires to connect the metal cup to the negative pole of the battery.
   The other, he attached between the positive terminal and the chain on
   which the medal hung.
  
   He dissolved two grains of salt from his mess kit into the warm water,
   and held the medallion by its chain in the middle of the cup. In the
   waning light filtering through the tent he could see streams of tiny
   bubbles rising to the surface, a sure sign that nearly invisible
   particles of silver were filling the liquid with their healing potency.
  
   The minutes dragged by, the wind and snow rocking the tent, perched on
   the precarious rock shelf.
  
   Martin groaned as the Commodore raised him up to receive the
   preparation. Here now, chap. Drink this. It'll help.
  
   Slowly, he administered sips of the life-saving colloid of silver to
   his fever-ridden comrade.
  
   Hours passed, the only sound the wind and quiet breathing. Emtrey twice
   repeated the treatment during the night, working by the dim light of
   the tiny solid state lamp.
  
   Not this time, he thought, his eyes looking far beyond the walls of
   the tent and the grey light of dawn, his thoughts returning to the
   heights of Nepal. No, not this time.
  
   --
  
   VERY BIG GRIN
  
   Be well, all.
  
   Mike D.
  
   [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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Re: CSThe Last Great Race

[bob smith]

Marshall,
 Our highly esteemed list owner is the only one that can answer that.  I
suspect that publication of this story is being held up by negotiations with
a number of leading publishers.  I understand that they are outbidding each
other for the publication rights.
In my estimation, Mike's literary skills leaves Robert Ludlum a distant
2nd. Bob Smith




- Original Message -
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: CSThe Last Great Race


 Cool. When can we read the whole novel?

 Marshall

 M. G. Devour wrote:

  Bob Smith wrote:
   Some time back there was an account posted of a group of British
   mountain climbers being caught in a storm while climbing Mt. Everest,
   One of them was critically ill with a high fever.  One of the group
took
   a flashlight battery and a silver medallion he was wearing and
fashioned
   a crude generator.  He knew it was working when he saw bubbles
forming,
   At the time I read it, I understood it to be even before the 20's It
   didn't say if the sick one survived.
 
  Oh LORDY!!! I can't stop laughing!
 
  Thank you for remembering that, Bob. However, that was a small piece of
  ***FICTION*** written by *ME* to illustrate a point.
 
  God, I *hope* that little snippet never makes it to the status of an
  urban legend! It would be the sort of thing that would hurt rather than
  help the cause of CS. sigh
 
  Also, note that the story is set in the near future, rather than
  distant past.
 
  If, however, somebody does know of such a tale that is real, I'd love
  to hear about it...
 
  To wit:
 
  --- Forwarded message (slightly edited from the original) ---
 
  Date forwarded: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:09:57 -0700
  From:   M. G. Devour mdev...@mail.id.net
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Date sent:  Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:11:04 -5
  Subject:Re: CS protocol
 
  Reid wrote:
 
   Also if you want to get even simpler on Becks tape he uses
   one 9v battery. I don't think he was using distilled because it
   started to produce a white smoke as soon as he put the rods in the
   water.
 
  Sounds like a great field expedient setup. Hmmm...
 
  From _Miracle_in_the_Heights_, an as yet unwritten novel by your
  esteemed moderator. GRIN ...
 
  The fine silver medallion he wore at his neck was the answer. He had
  received the award from His Majesty for acts of heroism on the ill-
  fated expedition to Nepal in ought-six, and carried it in memory of the
  friends he lost there.
 
  Were there anyone to see, they would have noticed a moist glint at the
  edge of his eye as Commodore Peter Emtrey melted snow in his coffee mug
  over the diminutive camp stove.
 
  He then removed the battery from the GPS receiver, and the antenna
  clipleads from Martin's portable shortwave transceiver. He used one of
  the wires to connect the metal cup to the negative pole of the battery.
  The other, he attached between the positive terminal and the chain on
  which the medal hung.
 
  He dissolved two grains of salt from his mess kit into the warm water,
  and held the medallion by its chain in the middle of the cup. In the
  waning light filtering through the tent he could see streams of tiny
  bubbles rising to the surface, a sure sign that nearly invisible
  particles of silver were filling the liquid with their healing potency.
 
  The minutes dragged by, the wind and snow rocking the tent, perched on
  the precarious rock shelf.
 
  Martin groaned as the Commodore raised him up to receive the
  preparation. Here now, chap. Drink this. It'll help.
 
  Slowly, he administered sips of the life-saving colloid of silver to
  his fever-ridden comrade.
 
  Hours passed, the only sound the wind and quiet breathing. Emtrey twice
  repeated the treatment during the night, working by the dim light of
  the tiny solid state lamp.
 
  Not this time, he thought, his eyes looking far beyond the walls of
  the tent and the grey light of dawn, his thoughts returning to the
  heights of Nepal. No, not this time.
 
  --
 
  VERY BIG GRIN
 
  Be well, all.
 
  Mike D.
 
  [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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CSFwd: CSsearch engines, was: RE: CSPhosphorous / Also Silver Deficiency

[Brickeyk]

Yes poeple should try and search, I certainly do, but my husband and I are
both chronically ill and can only cope with limited time and energy on the
computer so perhaps you should have a bit more compassion and thought for
those who are ill,
Sheila
Concur, I wish that I would be allowed more tha 10 minutes at our RV parks 
one and only computer station.  After connecting the powercable, telephone 
line, 
Startup, Connect to an ISP, automatic download 100 plus e-mails, sign off, 
shut down my PC, disconnect power cable, telephone line, there is very little 
of 
the 10 minutes allowed to do a Goggle search.  There is always a waiting line 
with all watching that you do not stay at the station longer than allowed.  
Some of those old grandmas can be vicious. I have tried several times to do 
searches and know what their reaction is.
Brickey
---BeginMessage---
I did speak about priorities, and you have set yours correctly.  You know
your limitations, and use this list as a very good source of help.  You use
your time wisely, and that is why this list is here.  I think this thread
took on this tone, as there have been some silly requests for information in
the last couple days.

Wishing you wellness.

Thora

-Original Message-
From: J  S Campbell [mailto:campbe...@members.v21.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 2:40 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSsearch engines, was: RE: CSPhosphorous / Also Silver
Deficiency


Yes poeple should try and search, I certainly do, but my husband and I are
both chronically ill and can only cope with limited time and energy on the
computer so perhaps you should have a bit more compassion and thought for
those who are ill,
Sheila

 -Original Message-
 From: Thora Rasmussen [mailto:mugg...@rockies.net]
 Sent: 15 February 2004 19:21
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: RE: CSsearch engines, was: RE: CSPhosphorous / Also Silver
 Deficiency


 For me it is a matter of priorities.  If you don't make the time
 to search,
 you hand over the power to contribute to your own health.
 Especially if it
 is something that specifically concerns you.  Learning to do
 searches takes
 a bit of practice, but once mastered, you can filter through as
 many as 100
 pages in about 20 minutes.  What I like to do in a search, is see what the
 majority of sites say, what they ALL agree on.  Then, I take the
 sites that
 are different, and dig into their sources a bit more, to see if what they
 say has value.  These are often the sites and info that I would put to
 others to see if they can help determine if the differences are valid.  It
 was this type of searching that led me to CS in the first place.  Most
 health sites talked about regular treatments, but a few mentioned
 alternative methods.  These I dug into and discovered that many
 alternatives
 worked and had no side effects, and even the regulatory groups really had
 nothing bad to say about them.

 Thora



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Re: CSMarshall; was: RE: CSChelation

[cvincer]

Thanks for the info, Marshall.  Sounds like all my past efforts to detox.  I 
can never take the recommended amount of anything for detox without having 
to back off for a day or two and starting again.  Getting my fillings out 
and detoxing the stored mercury should fix that eventually... 

Vince 

Marshall Dudley writes: 

Vince Richter wrote: 

Hi Marshal, 


You got my attention.  Next month I go to get my last 4 of 12 amalgam
fillings out Yea, Yea!.  I went to the Extreme Health herbal Chelation
site and was impressed with their product combined with your
recommendation.  How much did you use of their Chelation product and for
how long?


I ran through one pair of bottles (the chelation and the supplement), and my
health improved a great deal.  But I still had some dark circles under my
eyes, so a month or so later I did it again. 


Note that when I first took it, I got pretty sick.  They said it was from
all the toxic metals being mobilized, and to cut my dosage and drink lots of
fluids.  So instead of 3 pills a day like I was suppose to take, I ended up
taking a pill, and feeling bad for 2 days, then take another pill on the 3rd
day.  After a week of this, I was able to make it a pill every other day,
then every day, then 2 a day, and toward the end I was able to take all 3 in
a day without getting sick. 


Between that and the CS I was already taking I went from feeling bad all the
time, to almost never feeling bad. 


Marshall



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CSBio-warfare and CS

[patriot2000]

Here is an article about the possible horrors planned for us in the future 
-- bio-warfare.  Enough to scare the heck out of even the sunniest optimist.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49525-2004Feb17.html

I sent the author a note about Colloidal Silver and suggested we all might 
face the possibilities a bit more cheerfully if we all had CS at our 
disposal.


Marlys



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CSIngrid Naiman on breast cancer and bloodroot

[patriot2000]

Thanks, Jonathan, for the link to the cancer salve site re:  bloodroot.  It 
is a new one to me.  I added it to my file on cancer alternatives for 
future reference, too.


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RE: CSCS and stomach cancer

[J S Campbell]

I'm very sorry to hear of your friends death and for her husband and
child.You were a good friend to them doing research to find treatments to
help her and I am sure a lot more.
Take care,
Best wishes,
Sheila

 -Original Message-
 From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp]
 Sent: 18 February 2004 01:59
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSCS and stomach cancer


 List,

 A friend passed away from stomach cancer a few days ago.   It was a
 profoundly moving and graceful death coming six months after the
 diagnosis.I have a few things to say that may be useful to list
 members.

 1)I have no idea whether CS would have been of any use;  the young
 woman did not use it.   She followed a conventional chemo therapy (it
 was too late for surgery),  with an additional outside regimen of
 immuno therapy and electro-medicine.Af the end, the husband had
 kind words only for the elderly MD who provided the electro-medicine,
 which if nothing more may have provided a great deal of pain relief.

 2)80% of stomach cancer is diagnosed at Stage 3 or 4;  this is very
 nearly a death sentence,  and neither I nor my very open-minded friend
 found any encouraging news anywhere on the Internet.Even
 altcancer.com,  prior to Greg Caton's arrest,  indicated that this was
 a very grim diagnosis,  but that nothing was impossible.I am sorry
 that this good company remains out of business.

 3)I would be very eager to know whether anyone, anywhere, at
 any time,
 has used CS as a therapy for stomach cancer.Given that helicobacter
 pylori is one of several predisposing factors, it seems plausible to me
 that CS would be, at minimum, a very effective prophylactic method,  as
 would probiotics I think.

 4)There may be a small sum of money coming in from a fund-raiser in
 England, and the husband is looking about for a good way to use the
 donations.If anyone knows of a first-rate alternative research
 effort focused on stomach cancer,  I would be glad to know of this.

 5)One bit of good news:  stomach cancer used to be a leading cancer
 killer;  better diet has reduced the prevalence dramatically over the
 past 50 years or so.

 6)Many thanks to the list members who provided some excellent
 information over the past six months;  my friend read and considered
 carefully everything I sent him.


 JBB



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CSLink between antibiotic use and breast cancer?

[patriot2000]

While correlation does not necessarily imply causation, here is another
good reason to use CS and lessen dependence upon antibiotics:
Questions and Answers:Study Shows Link Between Antibiotic Use
and Increased Risk of Breast Cancer
http://www.cancer.gov/newscenter/pressreleases/AntibioticsQandA
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Re: CSsinus congestion (or sumthin' like dat)

[Dan Nave]

The first order of business in this sort of thing would be a bowel/colon
cleanse and supplementation of the intestinal flora with a good
probiotic.

Dan


Re: CSsinus congestion

 From: Hastings Brakes (view other messages by this author) 
 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:16:27 

Dear list,
I have an 18 year old nephew who is afflicted with a terrible body
odour,
particularly at night, his mother has to wash his sheets every day.

He has been on antifungal mediction, Lamasil, plus other antibiotics,
as
he has an acne problem. He currently is on no medication.

Would CS taken orally and applied topically kill off this troublesome
bacteria?

John in Australia



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RE: CSWater filter?

[James Holmes]

Why not put CS in the well?  Is there a way to spray the inside of the
casing regardless of the germicide used?

JOH 

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 8:12 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSWater filter?


I think you are a little mixed up here.

Iron is initially in the ground in the form of either metallic iron or iorn
oxide, rust. If it is rust, then it stays put, it is already chemically at
ground level and is insoluble.

If the water is sightly acidic, such as containing oxides of sulfur (that is
having sulfuric and sulfurious acids), then the iron will react with the
acid producting soluble forms of iron, such as iron sulfate.

If there is any oxygen in the water then iron bacteria will oxidize the iron
sulfate (or whatever compound of iron there is in the water) producing iron
oxide or rust.

The batting will filter out the iron oxide and the bacteria.  The bateria
are harmless to humans.  Only the Tin Man from Wizard of Oz would need to
worry about them.

Now, the water I am talking about having iron has soluble iron that comes in
from the veins that way.  I believe what you are referring to is rust, which
can be easily filtered out Coyote.  That can be caused by iron bacteria
eating away at the well casing in the well, and yes, chlorine would quickly
kill off those and stop that for a while.

One can create iron colonies of bacteria by keeping a piece of iron wet. If
you watch the way the rust grows it is identical to the way colonies of
bacteria and fungus will grow on a media. I noticed this when I was in
school and attempted a science fair project back when no one knew (or no one
I knew) even knew that such bacteria existed. Unfortunately I used
penecillian to try to kill the bacteria, and it didn't work, so I thought my
theory was all wrong and dropped the project.

Marshall

Ode Coyote wrote:

   I think the source of the iron is the iron bacterium.
  If the water is run trough the poyester filter, the bacterium, who 
 like to be attached to things..like the toilet bowl.., have a lot of 
 surface area to attach themselves to.  Iron, once it oxidizes or in 
 ore form is pretty stable and tends to stay put, but the bacterium 
 digest it into the water as evidenced by the fact that shocking the 
 well with chlorine keeps the water good for a while..after the 
 chlorine is gone.  The bactrium are anaerobic, so sending all the well 
 water into a spray to oxygenate it should kill em off and the iron 
 settle out. [Big settling tank]  Humm, maybe pumping compressed air 
 into the well water to kill em off 'before' they suck iron out of the 
 rock?  How many PSI to pump a stream of bubbles down through 300 ft of 
 water? [a lot, I'll bet]
  I only have to pump water up 30 ft..air, down 300 ft.
  I'm using a shallow well venturi type pump..maybe an air injecting
venturi
 would do it by oxygenating the return water.
 Ode

 At 09:40 AM 2/15/2004 -0500, you wrote:
 Go to a fabric store and buy a couple yards of 50/50 cotton polyester 
 quilt batting to filter out the iron. I made a filter with 2 5 gallon 
 buckets that were drilled and used the fabric between them . It 
 removed almost all the iron. I changed the fabric out  once a month 
 on my well.
 
 
 
 TJ Garland, CMO supplier
there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people.
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Wayne Fugitt wfug...@direcway.com
 Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSWater filter?
 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:23:03 -0600
 
 Evening Marjie,
 
   thinking of getting me some leeches and let them dine on my 
   toes.
 
You could consider making blood donations from time to time.  
 I really hate to do it because I have spent so much effort and so much
money
 over the years trying to make it high quality.   Still, I never feel it
at
 all when I do it.
 
 If the problem is iron algae or bacteria you're talking thousands 
 for complete whole house treatment. Some of my neighbors have the 
 problem so bad the water is brown as mud..mine isn't that bad but 
 has a distict flavor and stains everything eventually.
 
 We has a similar situation at my hunting camp.  A very deep 
 well, 8 inch casing, and a 3 HP pump submerged in the well.
 
 The filter selected cost about $ 1500.  It does a good job, with
 automatic back flushing, and chemical injectors.The water has no
smell,
 no brown color and tastes half decent.
 
I don't drink it but the others do.  I carry my own water 
 everywhere I go.
 
I was surprised what  a good job it does.  I did not select the 
 filter nor did I help with the installation due to other obligations 
 at the time.
 
Wayne
 
 
 
 
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CSfloride and distilling?

[Hank]

Hi, I was listening to a program on the net, don't know which one now, Anyway 
this lady said that distilling water didn't take out floride. Does anyone know 
if this is right or not?

Sincerely Yours,
Hank
 Very Interesting Sites My Home Page Songs Index Page Chemtrails More 
Chemtrails Linda's Computer Stop Colloidalsilver2, Group Going Platinum Linda's 
Computer Stop NWO Corner Radarmatrix.com Rense.com Cost of war The silver list, 
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CSFrequency generator problem...anyone help?

[TheSkyKing]

Hello,

Maybe there is someone out there who can help me.  I have a BK Precision 
4011A frequency generator.  It works OK, but when you start to turn the 
amplitude 
up when its plugged into an amplifier, the frequency begins to go nuts and 
jump around.  I've tried other frequency generators on this amplifier and they 
work fine so I know the amplifier is not the problem.  I am wondering if this 
is 
an easy thing to fix on this frequency generator.  Anyone know?  Also, the 
unit is for sale if anyone wants it (even when I get it repaired it is still 
for 
sale, but with this problem, I would offer it at a discount).  I bought it 
one year ago and paid $315.  Offers are welcome.  Please send all response 
emails directly to me at theskyk...@aol.com.  Anyone can call me too at 
530-543-0771.  I appreciate any help.

Thanks,

Bryan

RE: CSThe Last Great Race

[Richard Harris]

Hi Mike,

You don't have to research ANYTHING--Pull out your stack of writings that
you have already compiled and assemble them in short Stand Alone Chapters
and you're almost there. From my opening sentence, you could get a friend to
proof-read (critique) and you could make any additions or corrections (add a
little humor or Philosophical Quotes between chapters). One section could be
factual and labelled as such; another section, fiction and again properly
labelled. Mike, if you make the price right, probably everyone on this
Wonderful Site will purchase a Personally Autographed copy. This would NOT
be a text book nor a scientific masterpiece, but entertaining and partly
informational reading.

Get going, Mike! If I can help, please let me know. Look up
www.rharrisinc.com and see my 2 books for ideas. Many decisions, with which
I'd share--then introduce you to my Publisher/Printer, Rick Roy at
1-800-780-4447 who could and would help in countless ways.

Sincerely,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 7:14 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSThe Last Great Race


 I look forward to getting a copy.

Oy, you guys!!

It says something about my skills that I tried to write that piece in
as florid and melodramatic a style as I could muster. sigh

In any case, researching a book properly is a more time consuming task
than I'm going to be able to take on for a looong while.

So thanks for the kind words. I'm glad it was entertaining.

 I just wish he didn't put salt in the water. LOL

Well, I don't think he'd have been willing to wait several hours to
make a single dose! grin And we've learned that the salt method won't
cause harm unless *drastically* misused.

On a serious note, it does point up the potential of *fiction* to
promote alternative health concepts in a hostile legal environment.

The stories have to be good enough to stand on their own, and the
health concepts, if not central, fully justified within the plot. A
ripping good read that tugs the heartstrings and all that...

To ponder, eh?

Be well,

Mike D.


[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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Re: CSWater Ozonator info needed

[SilverTedEBear]

Thanks William,

That's what I was concerned about.  I emailed the site
and asked if I could get some technical info on it but
haven't received a reply yet.  If I do, I will pass on
the info.

Ted

--- William Meyer calista3-at-earthlink.net
|SilverList| 0gy7hsvnz...@sneakemail.com wrote:
 a quick perusal of the link showed no details of the
 actual  ozonator.
 if you get details it could be examined. i don't
 believe there
 is a free lunch with such a cheap  ozonator. ozone
 can be produced
 with different systems, but they all have strengths
 and weaknesses.
 at this price point i would be very leery of
 something durable and 
 effective.


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Re: CSFrequency generator problem...anyone help?

[Wayne Fugitt]

Evening Bryan,

Maybe there is someone out there who can help me.  I have a BK Precision 
4011A frequency generator.  It works OK, but when you start to turn the 
amplitude up when its plugged into an amplifier, the frequency begins to 
go nuts and jump around.



   Have you considered the input impedance and the ideal output 
impedance.  The other units that worked so well, may not have had this problem.


   You might have to work with some coupling components.

   If both are working OK, then either the Freq Gen or the Amp does not 
like what it is seeing.


   As you observed, the signal become unstable.  There has to be a reason.

   Wayne

Re: CSWater Ozonator info needed

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I believe that you can trust the people at SOTA Instruments;  I do.   
Their unit might be the best buy;  they have a very liberal upgrade 
policy also.







On Thursday, Feb 19, 2004, at 09:40 Asia/Tokyo, SilverTedEBear wrote:


Thanks William,

That's what I was concerned about.  I emailed the site
and asked if I could get some technical info on it but
haven't received a reply yet.  If I do, I will pass on
the info.

Ted

--- William Meyer calista3-at-earthlink.net
|SilverList| 0gy7hsvnz...@sneakemail.com wrote:

a quick perusal of the link showed no details of the
actual  ozonator.
if you get details it could be examined. i don't
believe there
is a free lunch with such a cheap  ozonator. ozone
can be produced
with different systems, but they all have strengths
and weaknesses.
at this price point i would be very leery of
something durable and
effective.



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CSCancer - what would you do?

[The Hatzfeld's]

I'm curious, if you were told by the doctor you had cancer and they couldn't
do anything for you except to make you comfortable, what would you do?  Or
what direction would you point a loved one in?

Thanks in advance!!!

Cindy



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Re: CSCancer - what would you do?

[Tom]

I'd take matters into my own hands, allopathic doctors will tell you cancer
can't be cured only treated. So I would go with alternative medicine. The
allopathic medical way will only treat you until your insurance runs out and
then let you die, and their is no comfort being treated with radiation, I
have had family that have gone through the procedures and it is horrendous
what they do to you. To them it's all about money. There are many
alternative cancer treatments out there that do work, being careful not to
say that C word. Some words one might put in a google search to look for
things that would be of help might be.

Essiac Tea
Colloidal Silver
Burdock
Red Raspberry
Ellagic Acid
Detoxification
Laetrile or Vitamin B17
Parasite Cleanse and Liver Flush

If you really want to beat cancer or help someone that has it. You should
suggest your own course of treatment, if your doctor refuses to treat you
the way you would like, there is a thing called a patients bill of rights
where the patient is legally allowed to dictate their own treatment. If you
the medical professional of your choosing is against you doing this, seek
out a Naturopath or Naturopathic Dr. , Nutritional Health Specialist or
Herbalist.

There is a lot of documentation out there on the subject. People need to
take back their health for the medical field when it comes to chronic
disease it is something that makes a lot of people alot of money and it
doesn't need to be that way. It's really sad that people everyday are faced
with this dilemma.


Good Luck in your decision



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Subject: CSCancer - what would you do?


 I'm curious, if you were told by the doctor you had cancer and they
couldn't
 do anything for you except to make you comfortable, what would you do?  Or
 what direction would you point a loved one in?

 Thanks in advance!!!

 Cindy



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