date:20040518

Have her look into DMSO as well. It can normalize cancer cells in vitro.

www.dmso.org
www.jacoblab.com

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

DMSO Nature's Healer by Morton Walker from Amazon.com is very
informative as is MSM The Denfinitive Guide by Stanley Jacob, who
developed DMSO and MSM

Garnet

On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 19:03, Charles Sutton wrote:
 I just learned that friend's wife has been diagnosed with
 Adenocarcinoma. (I don't know anymore than that, at this time)  She
 goes in for chemotherapy starting tomorrow (5/18/4).
  
 He is planning to get a Rife machine, about which I know nothing.  I
 seem to remember that CS had helped come cancers.   I also heard that
 Hyperbaric Oxygen could help. 
  
 Any suggestions will be passed on to him .  Thanks for all I have
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CSRe: Misinformation

2004-05-18 Thread Jodi Waldman Menard


  Christine Carleton wrote:
 
  (first and last part of original post 'snipped')



  What would be a new word for ORGANIC? now that it's bastardised by
  the government and political interests?



um...  Morganic? Bio-organic?

:-)

Jodi
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Re: CSthose skin tags blood sugars...

Coriander, Dill and Fennel oils also reduce blood sugars in
type 1 and has helped type 2's off insulin. It may be good to
increase those FRESH herbs cooking at home...  An oil called
Thieves with cinnamon and other oils will balance blood sugars
quickly - if too high it will lower them, and if too low raise them -
especially helpful when blood sugars dropped too low during
the night.  Thieves has been successful in minutes for severe
blood sugar imbalance which looks like someone exhibiting
convulsions --- 

Christine

 From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
 Intersting information. More stuff to check out! Thank you.

 Sharon writes: 
 I'd like to add to the skin tag thread that ... these are due to sugar
 eating, and/or a higher than normal sugar level in the blood. ... the
 essential oil of cinnamon has been found to have glucose lowering
 effects in diabetics
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Re: CSMethod of action of colloidal silver?

Here is the answer I received when I asked for documentation of the
statements on their website. What they pointed me to does NOT support
their statements. 

Garnet

-Forwarded Message-
From: webmaster Fred p...@cyberstreet.com
To: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Documentation of Statement
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 12:23:51 -0400

Janet,

You may wish to look up the term oligodynamic in a dictionary, but here
is a fuller reference for you:

Silver is a disinfectant for non-spore forming bacteria at
concentrations about 1000 times lower than the levels at which it is
toxic to mammalian life. This extreme mammalian-to-bacterial toxicity
differential is the definition of an oligodynamic material. The low
concentration necessary for oligodynamic activity allows silver or one
of its insoluble salts to be used indefinitely in contact with sterile
liquids without silver levels building up to concentrations harmful to
people.

The biological effects of silver are apparently due to reversible bonds
with enzymes and other active molecules on the surface of cells. Due to
its sulphydryl binding propensity, biologically-available silver
disrupts membranes, disables proteins and inhibits enzymes.The ionic
form of silver is necessary for biological activity and the lipid phase
of the membrane appears to be important in adsorbing silver ions to
living cells. The active sites on enzymes which are affected by silver
are apparently the electron-rich functional groups such as-SH groups.

from:
http://wlapwww.gov.bc.ca/wat/wq/BCguidelines/silver/bcsilver-04.htm

There are many other referances on the web but as you know most are
warped data made to fit a marketeers needs. I always
try to look outside the field of interest to find more realistic
scientific data, rather then statements taken out of context! To
complete
your understanding of silver ion utilization (75% of web pages has
silver ion utilization backwards), I suggest you read my report at
http://health2us.com/transport.htm

Cordially,
Fred
http://health2us.com/colloid.htm
.
At 08:27 AM 5/17/04 -0500, you wrote:

I am looking for documentation of this statement found on your web
site.
I am also curious to know if this is true, why does it not shut down
mammalian cells?

 The biological effects of silver are apparently due to reversible
 bonds with enzymes and other active molecules on the surface of
cells.
 Due to its sulphydryl binding propensity, biologically available
 silver disrupts membranes, disables proteins and inhibits enzymes.

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CSFunction of CD4 and CD8 Cells

~~~
http://main.uab.edu/show.asp?durki=44933

I. General information

A. Immune system - physiological system to defend the body against
foreign particles and infectious organisms

1. Lines of defense

First - Skin, mucus membranes, temperature, and pH

Second - phagocytic and antigen presenting cells (APC's)

Third - Acquired immunity

II. Components of the immune system

A. Organs of the Immune System

1. Primary organs

Bone - Specifically, the bone marrow. Site of differentiation

Thymus - Site of T lymphocyte maturation

2. Secondary Organs

Lymph nodes - House mature T and B lymphocytes

Spleen - houses mature B and T lymphocytes. Site of Antigen presentation

Tonsils

Skin and Mucosa

B. Cells of the Immune system

1. Antigen Presenting Cells (APC's) - macrophage, monocytes, neutophils,
and eosinophils

2. Lymphocytes - B and T cells

a. B lymphocyte - Functions in Humoral Immunity

Antibody (Ab) structure and classes – Somatic Rearrangement Theory

Explaining the Ab diversity

Complementary Determining Region – Variable Paratope (Fab)

Constant Region – Determines Immunoglobulin class (Fc)

IgG, IgM, IgA, IgE, IgD

b. T lymphocyte - Function in Cell mediated Immunity

T-lymphocyte Differentiation and Selection

TCR development -

Positive Selection – Restrict to MHC recognition

Negative Selection – Restrict to Self-tolerance

CD8-T lymphocytes - cytotoxic T-cell - recognized MHC I receptors

CD4-T lymphocytes - Helper T-cell - recognize MHC II receptors

Ts Lymphocyte – Suppress immune action

4. Natural Killer Cells - Auto-programmed to kill foreign cells and
cancerous cells.

C. Chemical Mediators - Cytokines - small proteins, secreted by immune
cells, control the type and strength of the immune response. Approx. 25
known distinct types

1. Types

2. Mechanisms

a. autocrine

b. paracrine

c. endocrine

~~~

http://www.thewellproject.org/Treatment_and_Trials/First_Things_First/Understanding_the_Immune_System.jsp
T Cells
Once antigens are processed and displayed on the surface of
macrophages, they can be recognized by helper T cells (also
known as CD4 cells). When CD4 cells “see” the antigens
displayed, they get busy and put the word out to other immune
system cells. In other words, these cells ***coordinate and
direct the activity of other types of immune cells***—such as
killer T cells, B cells, and macrophages—calling them into
action to fight the intruder. CD4 cells produce many different
cytokines in order to communicate effectively with other immune
system cells.

Killer T cells directly **attack and destro** (kill) cells
infected by viruses as well as abnormal cancerous cells. Yet
another type of T cell, called suppressor T cells, **calls off
the immune system attack once the invader is conquered**. (This
is to make sure the killer cells don’t go overboard, and relax
once their job is done.) Both killer T cells and suppressor T
cells are also known as CD8 cells.

JH Garnet, will you explain for us what the CD4 and CD8 function are?

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Re: CSRe: Misinformation

One thing that organic has NEVER meant is toxin free. What would be
inteteresting is to assay for toxins from a range of products that are
labeled organic. There are so many ways that toxins could contaminate an
organic compliant product that it is mind boggling.

From being handled after commercial produce by grocery store workers to
the water the produce is sprayed with. Organic does not mean free of
toxins, never did, even before the USDA got into the game.

Specifying what has been used on the product is helpful, adhereing to a
code of ethics and spot inspection as well as assay would also be
helpful. You can call it what ever you want, if standards are maintained
people WILL buy it.

Garnet

On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 08:47, Jodi Waldman Menard wrote:
   Christine Carleton wrote:
  
   (first and last part of original post 'snipped')
 
 
 
   What would be a new word for ORGANIC? now that it's bastardised by
   the government and political interests?
 
 
 
 um...  Morganic? Bio-organic?
 
 :-)
 
 Jodi


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Re: CSDMSO and Herpes Virus

Herpes - death - yikes!  Just for reference I will share my experience...

I treated a model beautiful 29 year old girl with massive acne - since her
teens.  What came up in the session was 'herpes' according to the
BT protocol.  I 'tapped it out' - never said a word to her and I never
thought of it again - until she called. 3 weeks later -- for the first time
in her life, her face cleared of acne.  Four months later she said she no
longer got herpes outbreaks...  Status:  Still the same 1.5 years+ later...

How does it work? I don't know... What is the relationship?  I don't know.
BT says innate wisdom knows how. Whatever, I don't care... It just does...
The body knows how.  Maybe we are smarter than we think we are...
Christine

I am a practitioner so you would need to check this out.  The web site is
http://www.bodytalksystem.com. It's in over 20 countries - so someone
may be close by or distance sessions work just a well - Beats the 'pain'.

 From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp
 Subject: Re: CSDMSO and Herpes Virus

 A note:  herpes can kill.   A friend of mine told me this week of a
 child in junior high school here who died a few days ago,  after a
 sudden, incredibly high temperature that brought on convulsions and
 soon, coma.The doctors were unsuccessful in whatever they tried (I
 have few details.)   This does sound like herpes encephalitis, which is
 not common but is deadly.   Anti-viral drugs are said to help in many
 cases. NB this encephalitis comes from Herpes Simplex, the ordinary cold
 sores. Alas. . . .

 On Monday, May 17, 2004, at 01:19 Asia/Tokyo, Charles Sutton wrote:
 
 I haven't read this book myself, because I haven't had an outbreak for
 several years.  I take Linus Paulings recipe for Heart and Vascular
 disease, that includes 12 grams VitC daily and 12 grams of L-lysine
 daily.   I do still get the tingling from time to time, but apply DMSO
 and it goes away.  A couple of selected quotes from the website  follow:
  
 http://www.neveranoutbreak.com/dmso.htm

 Mr. William Fharel, author of Never An Outbreak, is a research
 scientist with a vast knowledge of alternative medicine procedures
 based on over forty years of research. For over seven years, he has
 applied his knowledge to investigating herpes. The result is a
 uniquely powerful attack on the herpes virus described in his book:
 Never An Outbreak. Mr. Fharel himself suffered from the herpes virus
 and has been outbreak free for 10 years.
 
  
 



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Re: CSRe: Misinformation

Good point.  Perhaps that is why Europeans demand GM food is clearly
labelled  standards that test a high % of animals before they fall down..
Christine

 From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net

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 Specifying what has been used on the product is helpful, adhereing to a
 code of ethics and spot inspection as well as assay would also be
 helpful. You can call it what ever you want, if standards are maintained
 people WILL buy it.
 
 Garnet


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CSRe[2]: CS

2004-05-18 Thread patriot2000

I've been happily using CS for some months now,
making it at home with our SilverPuppy.
Will some of you regulars, well versed in the subject, please comment on
these statements taken from the site selling silver proteins
instead of ionic silver at
www.mts.net/~revive/food.txt
which was included in a post in today's Silver Digest? (I noted at one point they cautioned users of their product to only use it for a few days. Is silver protein the form that can cause argyria when overused?) Thanks for all the educating you provide for us newbies!
Marlys

That is because most products today that claim to be colloidal silver are actually not true colloidal suspensions at all; they are only ionic solutions. That in itself makes them unstable. The silver particles soon settle out. Using a silver product that has settled will be ineffective, and worse than that: dangerous having some particles of humongous size.
In contrast, Mild Silver Protein is a true colloidal suspension produced using compounding techniques that result in a stable product. The atoms stay at uniform size and do not come out of suspension.
Remember if you are taking a silver product in order to enhance your health you do not want ions of silver. You only want atoms of silver. Only Atoms of silver are non toxic to the CD4 and CD8 components of your immune system, which is so important when you take the Mild Silver Protein in the more effective high 500 p.p.m. range.
With any ionic silver in any p.p.m. range- (be it even as low as 3 to 10 p.p.m.), it is toxic to the CD4 and CD8 components of your immune system. Mild Silver Protein was used non-toxically for generations before conventional antibiotics, and now ionic silver preparations are crowding out Mild Silver Protein from the shelves and ruining the reputation of silver and the knowledge of the effective completely non-toxic silver.
This data is for COMPOUNDED SILVER FORMULATIONS ONLY and does not refer to unstable electro colloidal making and makers.

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CS

2004-05-18 Thread Rowena Evans

This reply to Dan didn't seem to make it through the system so am resending
it.
Quotes from notes on my computer, not all bearing their source, sorry, and
some links may not work after forwarding.
Key words would google for whole article, no doubt.



Wormwood had been used medicinally since the Middle Ages, to exterminate
tapeworms in the abdomen while leaving the human host uninjured and even
rejuvenated by the experience. At the end of the 18th century -- the age of
revolution and skeptical humanism -- the herb developed a recreational
vogue. People discovered they could get high off it. The problem was the
means of delivery, as it was unacceptably bitter in taste.

An undocumented distiller -- perhaps in a pastoral convent or monastery -- 
found the answer by inventing absinthe, which delivered both the herb and
alcohol in a stunningly tart beverage, with a flavor resembling licorice.
The most well-known maker of absinthe was distiller Henri-Louis Pernod.
Absinthe would eventually enjoy its greatest popularity in fin-de-siècle
Paris, with Vincent Van Gogh, Paul Verlaine and Oscar Wilde among its most
ardent imbibers. Given the French character of the Crescent City, it
achieved quite a bit of popularity in New Orleans as well, where it was
widely consumed by people from artists to musicians to Storyville madams.
Visitors to New Orleans can still check out the absinthe spigot at the Old
Absinthe House bar on Bourbon Street; the marble surface under the absinthe
tap is pitted and scarred, apparently from the effects of the dripping
liquid!





After its banning, imitations, using anise and other legal herbs in place of
wormwood, appeared. The most well-known is Pernod, which is very much like
absinthe but without the wormwood. But the similarity is only in color and
taste; Pernod is without the mind-numbing characteristics of absinthe. The
practice of adding aromatic bitters to cocktails also derives from a
nostalgia for contraband wormwood. In New Orleans, the preferred absinthe
substitute is Herbsaint, a locally-made anise liquor which is used in
cocktails as well as in cooking.

It has been asserted that the trouble the governments thought to see in
absinthe wasn't due to the thujone at all, but simply to the alcohol. I
dispute that assertion, incidentally. If it was just the alcohol, why have
they still been making 120 proof Polish vodka all these years? And it has
now been revealed that consuming pure essential oil of wormwood, containing
high amounts of thujone, can cause renal failure. The New England Journal of
Medicine, in reporting a case of renal failure in a man who drank wormwood
oil, notes that French research in the 1860s in which small doses of
wormwood oil were administered to dogs and rabbits led to convulsions,
involuntary evacuations, abnormal respiration and foaming at the mouth.
Gee, sounds pleasant, don't it? Patients hospitalized in Paris for absinthe
intoxication were noted to suffer epileptiform activity (seizures), chest
effusion, reddish urine and kidney congestion, and while patients did
experience alterations in consciousness, auditory and visual hallucinations,
they also suffered terrible seizures and kidney problems. This seems more
reason for its being banned.

This Information was taken from this site.

Absinthe is a distilled spirit containing many herbs, not entirely unlike
spirits like Chartreuse. Wormwood has traditionally been one of the many
herbs used in the maceration and distillation of absinthe. Essential oil of
wormwood is NOT absinthe, and is poisonous. In fact, many concentrated
essential oils are poisonous; you'll do almost as much damage drinking
essential oil of coriander, for instance. Essential oils are not meant to be
consumed internally.

The original article on the site, rewritten by me and based on an original
article by Vicki Richman, talks about how absinthe was banned supposedly
because of the deleterious and toxic effects of the ingredient thujone, the
aromatic hydrocarbon found in oil of wormwood and which exists in small
amounts in the liqueur. It seems that absinthe got a bad rap, mostly due to
the fact that the poisons that existed in some versions of it were due to
unscrupulous manufacturers who used toxic chemicals for color, and to the
fact that if you drink 20-25 glasses a day of any spirit containing 70%
alcohol, you're going to go nuts anyway. Still, people seemed to seize on
this whole wormwood thing, even though it's been determined that most of the
so-called effects of the spirit were due to the balance of the many herbs
contained within, plus the staggering amount of alcohol. Dopey people have
no idea that pure essential oil of wormwood has nothing to do with the
spirit known now and in history as absinthe. They think you can get high
off of pure wormwood, as if the terms horribly bitter and unpalatable and
neurotoxin weren't enough of a warning. You wouldn't think someone would
go and buy the pure form of the ingredient and drink

Re: CSExtra Credit

Yep, use the copper wires with the pennies (which are mostly zinc now) or
iron, with fruit juice to produce a battery, and hook up with the silver
immersed in the water to produce colloidal silver.

Marshall

Dan Nave wrote:

 Here's an extra credit problem for all the technology hackers and mad
 scientists...

 Say you were in some relatively primitive or isolated situation where
 you had some basic items like silver (coins or jewelry), pieces of
 copper wire, iron, etc, your normal range of vegetables from potatoes to
 citrus fruits, regular water from a stream or lake, no batteries, no
 hardware stores.

 Since you come down with some stomach/intestinal upset you want to make
 some Colloidal Silver.

 Can you do it?

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Re: CSAdenocarcinoma

2004-05-18 Thread ohana9

Hi There Garnet what is the relationship between 
DMSO and MSM - do they do the same thing ?
Thanks in advance for your guidance here
Regards
Sandee

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CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2004 #455

2004-05-18 Thread Gertrude

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CSExtra Credit

2004-05-18 Thread Dan Nave

Here's an extra credit problem for all the technology hackers and mad
scientists...

Say you were in some relatively primitive or isolated situation where
you had some basic items like silver (coins or jewelry), pieces of
copper wire, iron, etc, your normal range of vegetables from potatoes to
citrus fruits, regular water from a stream or lake, no batteries, no
hardware stores.  

Since you come down with some stomach/intestinal upset you want to make
some Colloidal Silver.

Can you do it?



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CSPatent for Tetra Silver Tetroxide as AIDS cure

http://escribe.com/science/keelynet/m15486.html

Marshall


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CSAids treatments

http://www.compassion-response.net/15Promotional%20Articles/Magazine%20article%203pp.htm

after a month of daily treatment with zapper and colloidal silver, of three 
advanced HIV/AIDS patients. The
results were that, on average, HIV viral load decreased to 54% of the reading a 
month earlier. As impressive
as the results were, they were only partial, and no doctors would adopt the 
practice. Our private funds were
used up, and no-one else was interested in funding bigger trials.

Compassion Response Network developed action projects in both Kinshasa and 
Harare. In all, once adequately
funded, the
projects would treat 43 advanced AIDS patients over six months, each patient 
being on one of nine alternative
treatments for
HIV/AIDS;

Zapper + colloidal silver + ozonated water,
Dr Bob Beck treatment,
Tetrasil/Imusil,
Essiac formula,
Flor Essence,
Aurea Cento Spice Oils,
Glyco-nutritional supplements,
Absolutely pure colloidal silver + Oxyrich,
Sutherlandia herb.

Marshall




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CSResearcher friend murdered

I just received notice that a friend of mine, Gene Mallove was murdered in his 
home.  He
did research on alternative energy devices primarily, and I have referred to 
his work
here recently in his magazine Infinite Energy.

The alternative energy arena is just a dangerous for pioneers as the 
alternative health
arena unfortunately, they go up against the energy cartels instead of the 
medical
cartels, but neither intend to give up their monopolies without a fight.  The 
world has
lost a great researcher trying to assist mankind again.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=infinite+energy+magazinehl=enlr=ie=UTF-8scoring=dselm=cd2ccfd9.0405180537.6901a548%40posting.google.comrnum=3

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CSExtra Credit

2004-05-18 Thread Trem

Hi Dan,

Sure you can.  Use a couple of dissimilar metal coins immersed in lemon juice 
to make
the battery.  Connect to a couple of silver coins and if you use regular water 
you'll
end up with silver chloride but it will still work.

Did I pass the test?

Trem

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From: Dan Nave dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 9:44 AM
Subject: [silver_list] CSExtra Credit


 Here's an extra credit problem for all the technology hackers and mad
 scientists...

 Say you were in some relatively primitive or isolated situation where
 you had some basic items like silver (coins or jewelry), pieces of
 copper wire, iron, etc, your normal range of vegetables from potatoes to
 citrus fruits, regular water from a stream or lake, no batteries, no
 hardware stores.

 Since you come down with some stomach/intestinal upset you want to make
 some Colloidal Silver.

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Re: CSResearcher friend murdered

My condolences to you Marshall,
Christine

 From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
 Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:05:35 -0400
 Subject: CSResearcher friend murdered

I just received notice that a friend of mine, Gene Mallove was
murdered in his home.  He did research on alternative energy
devices primarily, and I have referred to his work here recently
in his magazine Infinite Energy.

The alternative energy arena is just a dangerous for pioneers
as the alternative health arena unfortunately, they go up against
the energy cartels instead of the medical cartels, but neither
intend to give up their monopolies without a fight.  The world
has lost a great researcher trying to assist mankind again.

 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=infinite+energy+magazinehl=enlr=ie=UTF-8;
 scoring=dselm=cd2ccfd9.0405180537.6901a548%40posting.google.comrnum=3

 Marshall

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CSRe: Meat eating

2004-05-18 Thread john rigby


Hi Nancy and folks,

My hypothesis to date is that with the introduction of mass vaccinations 
and combined with BCP's  around 40 years a go, spelled the destruction of 
mass normality.


The human body simply cannot cope with the assaults of the 20th Century.
Our life expectancy has gone from 80+ a hundred years ago to 50-odd in that 
short time.  ( These figures are not govt. output  but secret actuarial 
figures used by commercial actuaries - why do you think whole of life 
Insurance is so easy to get today, providing the payout date is past 65 - 
PROVIDING you are 40 or less today?)


My hypothesis says that those people 70+ today are the last of the people 
who can see 80+ and it is based on their early life structure of physical 
hard work, very little meat, all fresh local food and not too much of that, 
so they have a *base* for good health.
Our bodies were simply not designed for eating any quantity of meat - a 
read of Jensens' books or an actual Colema programme is the ultimate proof.


In my work with Big C  people, strangely, often the hardest thing to get 
them to quit was eating meat - especially offal (sausage etc).  This has 
been conditioned into us.
But the stuff called meat today...  you people know it is 
really a chemical compound and worst of all is good white meat.


Sadly, today, the hardest thing to obtain is safe, natural food - for years 
it was simply to look for organic foods and now.


With people who have been internally severely damaged by Big C 2 
(industrial/iatrogenic cause) the life change is permanent.  But unless you 
have experienced  real pain and fear, it is hard to do.

It basically involves giving up all the good things of life:
meat, booze, sugar, all stimulants, stress, processed anything,  and 
learning to actually prepare and cook real food.  Oh, and the word 
convenient becomes a warning - no microwaved anything.
People who slip  - it's a bit like A.A. :-)  very quickly get a reminder 
or two:
body odours return  (meat-eaters smell badly to a vegetarian), halitosis, 
stomach problems, tinea, or herpes, or insomnia, all the normal things 
that normal people live with all the time.


But Nancy, doesn't the fact that you needed a hysterectomy tell you 
something?
 Genetic faults show up very quickly as a rule,  but our self-destructive 
impulses - the endrun being  Big C  One ( major component self-induced by 
life-style = stress) is caused by those things we eat and the artificial 
environments we choose, which produce the stress.


Folks,  I am so grateful for things like herbs and even weird things like 
CS :-), to combat external dangers and iatrogenic  assaults on my body, but 
so much more grateful that I can access decent safe, natural food and air - 
down at the end of the world.!


Peace!  Or Else!   :-)

Himagain

Re: CSResearcher friend murdered

2004-05-18 Thread Hank

Marshall Victor talked a little about this on yesterdays show, (it will be 
replaced with Todays show very shortly) 
http://69.28.73.17/todaysshow/todaysshow.html
Sincerely Yours,
Hank
http://hdka.com
http://hdka.com/mena/index.html
http://hdka.com/cts/menact.html
http://hdka.stormpages.com/indexf.html
http://69.28.73.17/todaysshow/todaysshow.html

  I just received notice that a friend of mine, Gene Mallove was
  murdered in his home.  He did research on alternative energy
  devices primarily, and I have referred to his work here recently
  in his magazine Infinite Energy.

  The alternative energy arena is just a dangerous for pioneers
  as the alternative health arena unfortunately, they go up against
  the energy cartels instead of the medical cartels, but neither
  intend to give up their monopolies without a fight.  The world
  has lost a great researcher trying to assist mankind again.
   
   
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=infinite+energy+magazinehl=enlr=ie=UTF-8;
   scoring=dselm=cd2ccfd9.0405180537.6901a548%40posting.google.comrnum=3
   
   Marshall
  


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CSRe: Meat eating

2004-05-18 Thread john rigby


Hi Nancy and folks,

My hypothesis to date is that with the introduction of mass vaccinations 
and combined with BCP's  around 40 years a go, spelled the destruction of 
mass normality.


The human body simply cannot cope with the assaults of the 20th Century.
Our life expectancy has gone from 80+ a hundred years ago to 50-odd in that 
short time.  ( These figures are not govt. output  but secret actuarial 
figures used by commercial actuaries - why do you think whole of life 
Insurance is so easy to get today, providing the payout date is past 65 - 
PROVIDING you are 40 or less today?)


My hypothesis says that those people 70+ today are the last of the people 
who can see 80+ and it is based on their early life structure of physical 
hard work, very little meat, all fresh local food and not too much of that, 
so they have a *base* for good health.
Our bodies were simply not designed for eating any quantity of meat - a 
read of Jensens' books or an actual Colema programme is the ultimate proof.


In my work with Big C  people, strangely, often the hardest thing to get 
them to quit was eating meat - especially offal (sausage etc).  This has 
been conditioned into us.
But the stuff called meat today...  you people know it is 
really a chemical compound and worst of all is good white meat.


Sadly, today, the hardest thing to obtain is safe, natural food - for years 
it was simply to look for organic foods and now.


With people who have been internally severely damaged by Big C 2 
(industrial/iatrogenic cause) the life change is permanent.  But unless you 
have experienced  real pain and fear, it is hard to do.

It basically involves giving up all the good things of life:
meat, booze, sugar, all stimulants, stress, processed anything,  and 
learning to actually prepare and cook real food.  Oh, and the word 
convenient becomes a warning - no microwaved anything.
People who slip  - it's a bit like A.A. :-)  very quickly get a reminder 
or two:
body odours return  (meat-eaters smell badly to a vegetarian), halitosis, 
stomach problems, tinea, or herpes, or insomnia, all the normal things 
that normal people live with all the time.


But Nancy, doesn't the fact that you needed a hysterectomy tell you 
something?
 Genetic faults show up very quickly as a rule,  but our self-destructive 
impulses - the endrun being  Big C  One ( major component self-induced by 
life-style = stress) is caused by those things we eat and the artificial 
environments we choose, which produce the stress.


Folks,  I am so grateful for things like herbs and even weird things like 
CS :-), to combat external dangers and iatrogenic  assaults on my body, but 
so much more grateful that I can access decent safe, natural food and air - 
down at the end of the world.!


Peace!  Or Else!   :-)

Himagain

CSRe eczema and skin conditions

2004-05-18 Thread john rigby



Hi Paula and folks,

The human skin is an eliminative organ. We tend to forget that.
A *recurring* complaint of any kind is a warning that you are doing 
something very wrong. Antibiotic (against life)

The word disease does actually hold the best clue.  dis - ease.  Stress.
The very idea of allergies  is a recent medical mafia invention for the 
most part.
Any form of skin disorder needs more than the allopathic approach STILL 
used by most people - even on aware lists like this one.


Of course, you should alleviate the symptoms. But then FIND and eliminate 
the cause.

This is the most missed step in obtaining a life.
Here is a simple procedure developed for Big C  Cancervivors:

First:  Get an exercise book A4 size.  Hang on refrigerator door. Get a 
small pocket notebook.   Diligently write down every single thing that 
enters your body.
Over a period of  three weeks it is amazing what you will learn - 
especially if on the top of each day page you have the following info:

Weather conditions:
How you felt on waking:
emotional state:  depressed, neutral, concerned,  overwhelmed, better, ok, 
good.

physical demonstrations (signs):  psoriasis, tinea, eczema, sweating.
This will help pinpoint toxic-2-u  substances. Can often be unexpected 
-fruit - oranges, etc.
NB:   Tracking the problems down will become easier by end of week 3. 
Humans do things in cycles..
Tracking backwards can be effective in  just a few days, though.  Always go 
back 36 hours for repeating clues. Especially meat-eaters, it takes this 
long for the body to do anything with lots of things we ingest.
HINT:  What do you really like?   Strangely, hummin beans will often 
seemingly deliberately keep ingesting especially personal toxic things 
because they like them.


Of course, if you are going to eat processed junk foods, then you will find 
lots of toxins.  The three worst offenders for  people coming out of  Big C 
are:

Anything white:  Sugar, flour, bread, milk.
Stimulant drinks:  coffee tea, booze especially sport drinks colas.
Anything with natural flavors  especially, fresh fruit drinks.

Eczema is usually simply sugar intoxication (early Sugar Diabetes)
Psoriasis being a worse symptom, is usually also psychologically 
restimulated.  Known as the Mother-in-law effect. Will often be a literal 
person as much as an unresolved personal failure .  Failure is actually a 
preconceived notion for the most part.  ( I REALLY know this one! :-)  )

Lower back pain:   see above.

I  still don't know a lot about CS/DMSO/MSM/H202  YET.  (Thank heavens for 
them!) But I do know a lot about staying alive in a very dangerous world.


Cheers,
John

Re: CSRe: Meat eating

2004-05-18 Thread Norman Cameron

 hi folks
 I recently watched the history of Kellog's and Post etc, and the terrible
eating patterns of the North American populace...circa 1890...they were ill
and the cereal kings made a fortune with their spas example the famous water
cures ..in and out ...
Norm
- Original Message -
From: john rigby jrig...@fablor.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 4:48 PM
Subject: CSRe: Meat eating

 Hi Nancy and folks,

 My hypothesis to date is that with the introduction of mass vaccinations
 and combined with BCP's  around 40 years a go, spelled the destruction of
 mass normality.

 The human body simply cannot cope with the assaults of the 20th Century.
 Our life expectancy has gone from 80+ a hundred years ago to 50-odd in
that
 short time.  ( These figures are not govt. output  but secret actuarial
 figures used by commercial actuaries - why do you think whole of life
 Insurance is so easy to get today, providing the payout date is past 65 -
 PROVIDING you are 40 or less today?)

 My hypothesis says that those people 70+ today are the last of the people
 who can see 80+ and it is based on their early life structure of physical
 hard work, very little meat, all fresh local food and not too much of
that,
 so they have a *base* for good health.
 Our bodies were simply not designed for eating any quantity of meat - a
 read of Jensens' books or an actual Colema programme is the ultimate
proof.

 In my work with Big C  people, strangely, often the hardest thing to get
 them to quit was eating meat - especially offal (sausage etc).  This has
 been conditioned into us.
 But the stuff called meat today...  you people know it is
 really a chemical compound and worst of all is good white meat.

 Sadly, today, the hardest thing to obtain is safe, natural food - for
years
 it was simply to look for organic foods and now.

 With people who have been internally severely damaged by Big C 2
 (industrial/iatrogenic cause) the life change is permanent.  But unless
you
 have experienced  real pain and fear, it is hard to do.
 It basically involves giving up all the good things of life:
 meat, booze, sugar, all stimulants, stress, processed anything,  and
 learning to actually prepare and cook real food.  Oh, and the word
 convenient becomes a warning - no microwaved anything.
 People who slip  - it's a bit like A.A. :-)  very quickly get a reminder
 or two:
 body odours return  (meat-eaters smell badly to a vegetarian), halitosis,
 stomach problems, tinea, or herpes, or insomnia, all the normal things
 that normal people live with all the time.

 But Nancy, doesn't the fact that you needed a hysterectomy tell you
 something?
   Genetic faults show up very quickly as a rule,  but our self-destructive
 impulses - the endrun being  Big C  One ( major component self-induced by
 life-style = stress) is caused by those things we eat and the artificial
 environments we choose, which produce the stress.

 Folks,  I am so grateful for things like herbs and even weird things like
 CS :-), to combat external dangers and iatrogenic  assaults on my body,
but
 so much more grateful that I can access decent safe, natural food and
air -
 down at the end of the world.!

 Peace!  Or Else!   :-)

 Himagain

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CSFw: Pb -and F chelation

2004-05-18 Thread T J Garland

Answer to my question about getting rid of all the flourine in our
enviroment
- Original Message -
From: magnu96...@aol.com
To: alch...@esper.com
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pb -and F chelation

 In a message dated 05/17/2004 8:09:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
 alch...@esper.com writes:

  Seems like I saw an article you put out about  titanium and gold  being
  able to chelate F. 

 Chelate means special multiple binding compounds like EDTA.

 With Gold, Titanium --- these are ligand effects with fluoride.   These
form
 non harmful compounds with fluoride.

 So, it does not get into the G-protein minic problems, like the better
know
 AlFx effect.

 Gold and Titanium compete against the harmful metals like aluminum,
beryllium
 that complex with fluoride in the blood and cause all kinds of problems.

 Selenium, magnesium, zinc, ti, au, ag also help to get the fluoride out of
 the body---but not by the formal chelation type term.

 Ti and gold tend to work by competition effects with fluoridelike
Iodine
 tablets to compensate for I-131 with the thyroid gland.

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Re: CSRe[2]: CS

2004-05-18 Thread William Meyer

as far as i can tell, the quotes below are laughable if they weren't so 
wrong.
i have not run into any of the information they speak of and ionic 
silver

seems to work extremely well for me.
finally, the silver puppy is the way to go for smaller amounts of ionic 
silver.

i haven't made quarts with it yet. it makes pints flawlessly quickly and
quietly. you really can't beat this unit for light use.
i would never recommend anyone make their own silver unit unless they
were avid hobbyists. the silver puppy does it flawlessly.
On May 18, 2004, at 11:21 AM, patriot2...@mindspring.com wrote:




That is because most products today that claim to be colloidal silver 
are actually not true colloidal suspensions at all; they are only 
ionic solutions. That in itself makes them unstable. The silver 
particles soon settle out. Using a silver product that has settled 
will be ineffective, and worse than that: dangerous having some 
particles of humongous size.


 In contrast, Mild Silver Protein is a true colloidal suspension 
produced using compounding techniques that result in a stable product. 
The atoms stay at uniform size and do not come out of suspension.


 Remember if you are taking a silver product in order to enhance your 
health you do not want ions of silver. You only want atoms of 
silver. Only Atoms of silver are non toxic to the CD4 and CD8 
components of your immune system, which is so important when you take 
the Mild Silver Protein in the more effective high 500 p.p.m. range.


 With any ionic silver in any p.p.m. range- (be it even as low as 3 to 
10 p.p.m.), it is toxic to the CD4 and CD8 components of your immune 
system. Mild Silver Protein was used non-toxically for generations 
before conventional antibiotics, and now ionic silver preparations are 
crowding out Mild Silver Protein from the shelves and ruining the 
reputation of silver and the knowledge of the effective completely 
non-toxic silver.


 This data is for COMPOUNDED SILVER FORMULATIONS ONLY and does not 
refer to unstable electro colloidal making and makers.



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successfully handle a problem, we become aware of even more options.  

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CSRe: Researcher friend murdered

2004-05-18 Thread jrowland

Coast-to-Coast aired the tragic news Saturday and has been following
the story nightly since, with a rebroadcast of a recent interview
set for this Friday night:
...Fri 05.21.04
First Hour: 
Open Lines
Rebroadcast: 
Eugene Mallove from 2/3/04...
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
Another regular guest, Richard C. Hoagland came on at one point to
talk about a 'breakthru' Mallove was about to share with him:
Gene Mallove's Last Thoughts on the Importance of New Energy ... 
Before a New Dark Age
http://enterprisemission.com/_articles/05-18-2004/eugene_mallove.htm
And Dr. Mallove's website:
http://www.infinite-energy.com/
jr


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Re: CSAdenocarcinoma

MSM is DMSO2, that is DMSO with another oxygen added. 15% of DMSO is
metabolized to MSM in the body. DMSO acts faster but MSM has no after
odor, many of their actions are similar but DMSO still comes out ahead
since it busts clots, prevent heart attack and stroke as well as cancer,
reduce pain and inflammation, reduces scars (flattens them by softening
collagen linkage), carries agents into the cells and cross the Blood
Brain Barrier, dilate blood vessels, scavenges hydroxyl radicals, and
can normalze traumatized and cancerous cells as well as kill bacteria,
viruses, fungi and mycoplasma.

Garnet

On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 11:33, oha...@juno.com wrote:
 Hi There Garnet what is the relationship between 
 DMSO and MSM - do they do the same thing ?
 Thanks in advance for your guidance here
 Regards
 Sandee
 
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CSSeeking CS by IV in San Antonio - or will travel

2004-05-18 Thread Dwan Pete

Hi all.

My name is Dwan Pete, and I was diagnosed with
relapsing-remitting MS in 1997.

I've had relief by kiling MS-causing mycoplasma by
drinking and nebulizing colloidal silver (CS).  

I'm currently seeking a doctor in San Antonio, TX (or
anywhere), who will give me CS by IV.  I'll travel to
get CS by IV.

Nancy DeLise (who has posted here and who also has MS)
has had results by having CS by IV, and faster results
than drinking CS alone.

If you have any leads, please post contact info or
e-mail me at dwanpe...@yahoo.com.

While you may not need the CS links below, the person
you may try to convince may need info on how CS by IV
has helped those with MS.

Please forward the links below on CS to all those who
can benefit,
--

Here are some links to give you info on (CS).  The
second one gives a link to the story of Nancy DeLise,
who has MS and has seen great results after using it.

A) Colloidal Silver: A Universal Germ Conqueror

Intro to CS with scientific references.   A starting
point.

http://silvermedicine.org/colloidalsilveruniversal.html

1) Nancy DeLises story 

She has MS and has drank colloidal silver, had it be
nebulizer, and by IV, and says that she has seen some
of her lesions vanish or get smaller (as proven by
MRI) as well as many of her MS symptoms. 

Heres the homepage to her story.

http://www.msrebel.com/Nancy_%20Delise_Index.htm
---

2) Nancy DeLises experience with colloidal silver by
IV  

Begins with an overview of her experience with
colloidal silver.  She begins her discussion of her IV
experience in the last paragraph of this page.  Her
experience continues on the next link:

http://www.msrebel.com/P1-nancy%20update.htm
---

3)Continuation, Nancy DeLises colloidal silver by IV
experience

http://www.msrebel.com/P2-nancy%20update.htm
---

4) Argyria and colloidal silver: Facts and Fallacies

If administered properly, there should be no risk of
anyone getting argyria (a permanent, bluish-grey tint
to the skin) from drinking, nebulizing, or IV-ing
colloidal silver.  About all you may hear about
colloidal silver in the big-money-controlled media is
the risk of getting argyria.  There will be no argyria
if colloidal silver is administered properly.  

Read the truth  and lies  about argyria and
colloidal silver.  Saying that one shouldnt take
colloidal silver because of argyria is like saying
that one shouldnt eat tuna because someone got food
poisoning from eating tuna.  What are the facts behind
the incident?  Had the tuna been sitting out for a few
days?  Was it bad tuna?

http://www.silvermedicine.org/argyria.html
---

5) Herxheimer reaction

A normal reaction that one can sustain if one doesnt
start slowly and gradually increase the use of
colloidal silver.  It can be characterized by an
increase of exacerbation symptoms.  It is caused when
the agent (here, colloidal silver) kills off pathogens
more quickly than the body can eliminate them.  Youll
find a more thorough and authoritative discussion
here.

http://www.silvermedicine.org/herxheimerreaction.html
---

6) Roger Altmans Colloidal Silver Elimination Study

A private researcher does study that concludes that
properly prepared CS is eliminated by the body.  

http://www.silvermedicine.org/altmanstudy.html
---

7) Scientific research studies page - colloidal silver

Contains a number of scientific research studies that
conclude that colloidal silver kills many kinds of
bacteria.

http://www.silvermedicine.org/scientificstudies.html
---

8) Side effects poll: Colloidal silver enjoys 90% 
no-side-effects  rate

214 regular CS users were polled, and 90% of them
report no side effects.

http://www.silvermedicine.org/pollresults.html
---
 
If administered properly, there are no proven
silver-specific side effects in ingesting, nebulizing,
or IVing colloidal silver.  There ARE scientific
studies that prove that colloidal silver kills many
types of bacteria.  Dont believe the argyria lies
about colloidal silver 

Here are more, general, links.

9) Silvermedicine.orgs homepage

References to all kinds of info on colloidal silver.

http://www.silvermedicine.org/
---

10) Essay of colloidal silver

If you need more convincing, hopefully, this will do
it.  It includes info on getting colloidal silver by
IV.  If done right, colloidal silver use can be safe
and effective.  Of course, one should use it slowly,
gradually increasing the dosage or Herx can hit.  

Believe me, I've experienced the harm of increasing
dosages too fast.  But, Herx can hit if one increases
dosages of a number of remedies too repidly - not just
CS.  

Theres enough positive evidence out there that Im
giving it a try.  I havent found anything yet to
suggest that its not safe, if administered properly. 
And Ive used it and done a lot of research, believe
me.  The potential benefits far outweigh the risks, to
me.)

http://www.silvermedicine.org/newtosilver.html
---

Thanks for your time.


Dwan

Re: CSMethod of action of colloidal silver?

2004-05-18 Thread ALopezTCR

Please tell me if cs IVs are helpful..especially for lyme misery...anyone?

Donna

Re: CS Fever blisters

2004-05-18 Thread Nina Whit

Garnet: wrote;You do not know that it does not killthe virus , and you
have shown no documentation that it does.Again, Dmso has been shown to
INHIBIT, Not kill viri. Morton Walker says It is
THOUGHT That DMSO dissolves a virus protein coating and leaves it
unprotected  to  be exposed to the immune system, The point is this;
There is no scientific documentation tha DMSO in itself is Viricidal,
Dmso can be a transporter of antiviral agents.


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Re: CSSeeking CS by IV in San Antonio - or will travel

2004-05-18 Thread ALopezTCR

Please let me know what you find as I am searching as well and hoping to find 
a good doctor who will help.

Donna

Re: CSRe[2]: CS

2004-05-18 Thread sol


I routinely make quarts with my silverpuppy. No problem at all.
paula

William Meyer wrote:

as far as i can tell, the quotes below are laughable if they weren't 
so wrong.

i have not run into any of the information they speak of and ionic silver
seems to work extremely well for me.
finally, the silver puppy is the way to go for smaller amounts of 
ionic silver.

i haven't made quarts with it yet. it makes pints flawlessly quickly and
quietly. you really can't beat this unit for light use.
i would never recommend anyone make their own silver unit unless they
were avid hobbyists. the silver puppy does it flawlessly.
On May 18, 2004, at 11:21 AM, patriot2...@mindspring.com wrote:




That is because most products today that claim to be colloidal
silver are actually not true colloidal suspensions at all; they
are only ionic solutions. That in itself makes them unstable. The
silver particles soon settle out. Using a silver product that has
settled will be ineffective, and worse than that: dangerous
having some particles of humongous size.

In contrast, Mild Silver Protein is a true colloidal suspension
produced using compounding techniques that result in a stable
product. The atoms stay at uniform size and do not come out of
suspension.

Remember if you are taking a silver product in order to enhance
your health you do not want ions of silver. You only want atoms
of silver. Only Atoms of silver are non toxic to the CD4 and CD8
components of your immune system, which is so important when you
take the Mild Silver Protein in the more effective high 500 p.p.m.
range.

With any ionic silver in any p.p.m. range- (be it even as low as 3
to 10 p.p.m.), it is toxic to the CD4 and CD8 components of your
immune system. Mild Silver Protein was used non-toxically for
generations before conventional antibiotics, and now ionic silver
preparations are crowding out Mild Silver Protein from the shelves
and ruining the reputation of silver and the knowledge of the
effective completely non-toxic silver.

This data is for COMPOUNDED SILVER FORMULATIONS ONLY and does
not refer to unstable electro colloidal making and makers.


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Re: CSthose skin tags

2004-05-18 Thread Kim


  I've tried the black ointment..didn't work for me.
  tried the cs..hasn't worked
  have had them burned off and cut off, they grow back.
  I've had them since I was a teenager (I'M 43 now)...
  I may try the cinamon trying to eat better too, so maybe that will
help.
  Kim S
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sharon stars...@comcast.net
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 10:05 PM
  Subject: CSthose skin tags


   From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
I believe tags are caused by viruses.  In some cases CS can help, and
   you can
cut them off.  I have also tied a thread around their base, and they
   fall off in
a few days.
  
   Hi Everyone,
   This is my first post here, I've been happily lurking and learning about
   the benefits of CS (which I'm also happily making and drinking like
   mad).
  
   I'd like to add to the skin tag thread that to my knowledge, and from my
   research going back some years, these are due to sugar eating, and/or a
   higher than normal sugar level in the blood.
   It is said that these are a warning that diabetes could be in one's
   future. I believe this statement could  be verified by a simple web
   search.
  
   I first became aware of these 20 years ago when my then husband began
   sprouting these little tags. At the time I had no idea what they were
   from. I found out from my children that their father has indeed been
   dxed with Type II diabetes about 4 years ago. I would add that his
   dietary habits are notoriously atrocious and that he is a carb fanatic!
  
   Unfortunately I also have a life long love of sweets which has been very
   difficult to get under control, and I have had a few of these tags crop
   up. Knowing that the essential oil of cinnamon has been found to have
   glucose lowering effects in diabetics, I rubbed that on the tags for a
   few days and they have dried up and fallen off.
   I had one other instance with a large tag, years ago, that formed where
   I had been badly sunburned in the past. I didn't know of the glucose
   connection at that time, so I used some of Dr Christopher's Black
   Ointment on a bandage over it, and it, too, just shriveled up and fell
   off---leaving no trace that it had ever been there.
  
   Needless to say, I also keep an eye on my blood glucose---just in case.
  
   I thought I'd share this in case anyone else had the same squeamish
   reaction that I did, upon hearing that some of you adventurous people
   were cutting them off!
   ;-)
  
   Sharon/starshar
  
  
  
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Re: CSExcema ?

2004-05-18 Thread sol

 I am doing the cleansing thing. But I have to tell you and everyone, 
I've just been through months of proving beyond any shadow of doubt that 
my eczema had NOTHING to do with stress. It was an inadvertent 
uncontrolled clinical study of one person, but the proof is absolutely 
incontrovertible.
 Now, this may not be true for every eczema sufferer, but in this 
person, stress has nothing whatsoever to do with it. It is an allergy, 
period. Once I got clear of the allergen, the eczema stopped, period. 
The only emotional component to the eczema I had for 14 months is the 
normal upset and depression one gets from months of any kind of physical 
pain, but that was a pain reaction, not the cause of the skin reaction, 
if you can see the distinction?

paula

Christine Carleton wrote:


Paula,

Louise Hay says skin protects our individuality.  There is an element of
fear about being hurt - what's getting under the skin?  Addressing the
emotional components may assist the physical cleansing benefits with
CS and other products.  In other protocols, liver cleansing is suggested -
up to two years... and of course one starts with the intestines before
tackling the liver - 'clean the shoot' so to speak before downloading the
toxins in the liver or one's gets really sick.
And drink lots and lots and lots of CS water to promote the process.
Another aspect I've seen has to do with energies if your into that stuff.

 






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Re: CS Fever blisters

Are you certain? Have you done a literature serach yourself, recently?

Garnet

On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 22:38, Nina Whit wrote:
 Garnet: wrote;You do not know that it does not killthe virus , and you
 have shown no documentation that it does.Again, Dmso has been shown to
 INHIBIT, Not kill viri. Morton Walker says It is
 THOUGHT That DMSO dissolves a virus protein coating and leaves it
 unprotected  to  be exposed to the immune system, The point is this;
 There is no scientific documentation tha DMSO in itself is Viricidal,
 Dmso can be a transporter of antiviral agents.
 
 
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RE: CSRe[2]: CS

2004-05-18 Thread Terry

Ditto w/my Silvergen SG6

Terry

-Original Message-
From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 8:39 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSRe[2]: CS

I routinely make quarts with my silverpuppy. No problem at all. paula

William Meyer wrote:

 as far as i can tell, the quotes below are laughable if they weren't
 so wrong.
 i have not run into any of the information they speak of and ionic
silver
 seems to work extremely well for me.
 finally, the silver puppy is the way to go for smaller amounts of 
 ionic silver.
 i haven't made quarts with it yet. it makes pints flawlessly quickly
and
 quietly. you really can't beat this unit for light use.
 i would never recommend anyone make their own silver unit unless they
 were avid hobbyists. the silver puppy does it flawlessly.
 On May 18, 2004, at 11:21 AM, patriot2...@mindspring.com wrote:

 That is because most products today that claim to be colloidal
 silver are actually not true colloidal suspensions at all; they
 are only ionic solutions. That in itself makes them unstable. The
 silver particles soon settle out. Using a silver product that has
 settled will be ineffective, and worse than that: dangerous
 having some particles of humongous size.

 In contrast, Mild Silver Protein is a true colloidal suspension
 produced using compounding techniques that result in a stable
 product. The atoms stay at uniform size and do not come out of
 suspension.

 Remember if you are taking a silver product in order to enhance
 your health you do not want ions of silver. You only want atoms
 of silver. Only Atoms of silver are non toxic to the CD4 and CD8
 components of your immune system, which is so important when you
 take the Mild Silver Protein in the more effective high 500 p.p.m.
 range.

 With any ionic silver in any p.p.m. range- (be it even as low as 3
 to 10 p.p.m.), it is toxic to the CD4 and CD8 components of your
 immune system. Mild Silver Protein was used non-toxically for
 generations before conventional antibiotics, and now ionic silver
 preparations are crowding out Mild Silver Protein from the shelves
 and ruining the reputation of silver and the knowledge of the
 effective completely non-toxic silver.

 This data is for COMPOUNDED SILVER FORMULATIONS ONLY and does
 not refer to unstable electro colloidal making and makers.

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RE: CS

Sounds very right to me.

JOH

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:34 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS

Vaguely here..isn't a low T cell count an indication that there is a lack of
infection and cd4 related somehow to T cells?
So, like, if these cd4s and 8 are 'suppressed'...meaning low, perhaps it's
because the ionic silver made a lot of them unneccesary.
I would think that making [I Pharm] statements like the below without
placing them in a pathogen load context would be quite meaningless if not
deliberately misleading.
They 'are' talking specifically about electrically isolated silver.
Ode

At 06:52 AM 5/17/2004 -0400, you wrote: 

I think they may be talking about silver compounds such as silver nitrate
and silver citrate. These are of course ionic as well. 

Marshall 

Terry wrote: 

From International Pharmaceuticals (linked on the
http://www.silvermedicine.orgwww.silvermedicine.org site):3.) IONIC SILVER
SUPPRESSES THE CD4 AND CD8 FUNCTION OF THE IMMUNE SYSTEM:?xml:namespace
prefix = o ns =
urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:officeurn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:o
ffice / 
Ionic silver must be produced via electrolysis (via electricity ((anode +
cathode))), and ions will suppress the CD4 and CD8 functions of your immune
system. One should therefore not use ionic silver (misnamed as colloidal
silver by the uninformed and marketers) because ionic silver is TOXIC to
your immune system.

I think the folks at mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com
would find this statement at odds with their own experiences; they regularly
report significant results with toxic ionic silver (@ 5 ppm
concentration). 

Terry 

-Original Message- 
From: Reg Whelan
[mailto:whelan...@iprimus.com.aumailto:whelan...@iprimus.com.au] 
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 4:21 AM 
To: pralt-disc...@prostate90.com 
Subject: Re: [pralt-discuss] Collodial Siver 

Hi Michael, Your link was welcome.Everything old is new again. Even in the
holy grail of Medicine. They stopped using silver about 1939 and now it's
come full circle. today's electrically produced silver ions are far removed
from the days of yore. todays antibiotics can sometimes cause more damage to
the body than good. You can learn about coloidal silver
at..http://www.silvermedicine.orghttp://www.silvermedicine.org You can see
graphs produced by big pharma to strengthen a part of it's case for the
introduction of electrically produced silver ions (in this case the body's
own electrical circuitry is in part used to generate the silver ions) in the
control of bacterial infection
at...http://www.acticoat.comwww.acticoat.com There is a support forum
at..http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsitehttp://groups.yahoo.com
/group/silverdatawebsite Reg 

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Re: CSExcema ?

2004-05-18 Thread James McCourt, Ph.D.

Please send protocol here also.

- Original Message -
From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: CSExcema ?

   My personal experience is that CS will NOT  heal eczema. Eczema is
 an allergic reaction. To get true healing you need to eliminate the
 allergen first, and second, try to find and address why you are
 allergic. I have done ok with the first, am working on the second. Oral
 CS can help with intestinal candida, or systemic infections that might
 be part (my opinion) of the allergy.
This doesn't mean CS cannot help eczema. I used a 50/50 mix of CS and
 Aloe Vera juice to help sooth the affected skin areas. It keeps the skin
 moist,and prevents secondary infections.  Some people have wet the rash
 with CS then wrapped it with saran wrap. I didn't try that, I wet the
 skin well with the CS/Aloe, and then covered with a thick layer of
 homemade hand cream.
I also took a combination of antihistamines---a protocol actually
 developed for hives, but I have those too, right in the eczema, so it
 helped a lot---it is to take 150 mg of Zantac with Zyrtec or similar. I
 took it with generic benedryl because my Rx for Zyrtec ran out, and it
 is horribly expensive anyway. If you want the URL for the protocol I
 have it saved and can send it to you. And I used various homeopathic
 remedies, too, and sometimes I had to use ice packs also.
   Depending on the stage and severity of the eczema and how painful it
 is, you can also use a mix of CS/DMSO on the rash. I used 90% CS and 5%
 (of a 70%)DMSO. When the eczema isn't too bad this can really knock it
 down and give good relief for hours and hours. But if the rash is very
 bad, using the DMSO on it is just too painful. The DMSO causes histamine
 release, I'm told, so the first thing it does is make the itching worse,
 but a couple of applications seem to exhause the capability of the skin
 to produce histamine, so that is why it gives relief. But please, if the
 skin is very painful, don't try it on a large area unless your pain
 threshold is a hell of a lot higher than mine is.
 HTH,
 paula

 scl...@netzero.com wrote:

  Anyone have reports of healing excema with CS ?
 I would expect you would have to use cs topically and orally for best
success.
 Steve

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RE: CSRe[2]: CS

Hype.

JOH

-Original Message-
From: patriot2...@mindspring.com [mailto:patriot2...@mindspring.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 9:21 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSRe[2]: CS

I've been happily using CS for some months now, making it at home with our
SilverPuppy.  

Will some of you regulars, well versed in the subject, please comment on
these statements taken from the site selling silver proteins instead of
ionic silver at  www.mts.net/~revive/food.txt which was included in a post
in today's Silver Digest?  (I noted at one point they cautioned users of
their product to only use it for a few days.  Is silver protein the form
that can cause argyria when overused?)  Thanks for all the educating you
provide for us newbies!

Marlys

That is because most products today that claim to be colloidal silver are
actually not true colloidal suspensions at all; they are only ionic
solutions. That in itself makes them unstable. The silver particles soon
settle out. Using a silver product that has settled will be ineffective, and
worse than that: dangerous having some particles of humongous size. 

In contrast, Mild Silver Protein is a true colloidal suspension produced
using compounding techniques that result in a stable product. The atoms stay
at uniform size and do not come out of suspension. 

Remember if you are taking a silver product in order to enhance your health
you do not want ions of silver. You only want atoms of silver. Only
Atoms of silver are non toxic to the CD4 and CD8 components of your immune
system, which is so important when you take the Mild Silver Protein in the
more effective high 500 p.p.m. range. 

With any ionic silver in any p.p.m. range- (be it even as low as 3 to 10
p.p.m.), it is toxic to the CD4 and CD8 components of your immune system.
Mild Silver Protein was used non-toxically for generations before
conventional antibiotics, and now ionic silver preparations are crowding out
Mild Silver Protein from the shelves and ruining the reputation of silver
and the knowledge of the effective completely non-toxic silver. 

This data is for COMPOUNDED SILVER FORMULATIONS ONLY and does not refer to
unstable electro colloidal making and makers.

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RE: CSDMSO and Herpes Virus

If a pregnant woman has a herpes lesion on her vulva at the time of birth,
the child will be delivered by C section rather than expose the baby to the
herpes, so great is the chance of a deadly or crippling infection.

JOH

-Original Message-
From: Christine Carleton [mailto:essential-liv...@telus.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 8:47 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSDMSO and Herpes Virus

Herpes - death - yikes!  Just for reference I will share my experience...

I

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RE: CSSeeking CS by IV in San Antonio - or will travel

Get a nebulizer.  It can probably get blood levels high enough without IV.

JOH

-Original Message-
From: Dwan Pete [mailto:dwanpe...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 9:17 PM
To: Silver list
Subject: CSSeeking CS by IV in San Antonio - or will travel

Hi all.

My name is Dwan Pete, and I was diagnosed with relapsing-remitting MS in
1997.

I've had relief by kiling MS-causing mycoplasma by
drinking and nebulizing colloidal silver (CS).  

I'm currently seeking a doctor in San Antonio, TX (or anywhere), who will
give me CS by IV.  I'll travel to get CS by IV.

Nancy DeLise (who has posted here and who also has MS)
has had results by having CS by IV, and faster results
than drinking CS alone.

If you have any leads, please post contact info or
e-mail me at dwanpe...@yahoo.com.

While you may not need the CS links below, the person
you may try to convince may need info on how CS by IV
has helped those with MS.

Please forward the links below on CS to all those who
can benefit,
--

Here are some links to give you info on (CS).  The
second one gives a link to the story of Nancy DeLise,
who has MS and has seen great results after using it.

A) Colloidal Silver: A Universal Germ Conqueror

Intro to CS with scientific references.   A starting
point.

http://silvermedicine.org/colloidalsilveruniversal.html

1) Nancy DeLise's story 

She has MS and has drank colloidal silver, had it be
nebulizer, and by IV, and says that she has seen some
of her lesions vanish or get smaller (as proven by
MRI) as well as many of her MS symptoms. 

Here's the homepage to her story.

http://www.msrebel.com/Nancy_%20Delise_Index.htm
---

2) Nancy DeLise's experience with colloidal silver by
IV  

Begins with an overview of her experience with
colloidal silver.  She begins her discussion of her IV experience in the
last paragraph of this page.  Her experience continues on the next link:

http://www.msrebel.com/P1-nancy%20update.htm
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3)Continuation, Nancy DeLise's colloidal silver by IV experience

http://www.msrebel.com/P2-nancy%20update.htm
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4) Argyria and colloidal silver: Facts and Fallacies

If administered properly, there should be no risk of
anyone getting argyria (a permanent, bluish-grey tint
to the skin) from drinking, nebulizing, or IV-ing
colloidal silver.  About all you may hear about
colloidal silver in the big-money-controlled media is
the risk of getting argyria.  There will be no argyria
if colloidal silver is administered properly.  

Read the truth - and lies - about argyria and
colloidal silver.  Saying that one shouldn't take
colloidal silver because of argyria is like saying
that one shouldn't eat tuna because someone got food
poisoning from eating tuna.  What are the facts behind
the incident?  Had the tuna been sitting out for a few
days?  Was it bad tuna?

http://www.silvermedicine.org/argyria.html
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5) Herxheimer reaction

A normal reaction that one can sustain if one doesn't
start slowly and gradually increase the use of
colloidal silver.  It can be characterized by an
increase of exacerbation symptoms.  It is caused when
the agent (here, colloidal silver) kills off pathogens
more quickly than the body can eliminate them.  You'll
find a more thorough and authoritative discussion
here.

http://www.silvermedicine.org/herxheimerreaction.html
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6) Roger Altman's Colloidal Silver Elimination Study

A private researcher does study that concludes that
properly prepared CS is eliminated by the body.  

http://www.silvermedicine.org/altmanstudy.html
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7) Scientific research studies page - colloidal silver

Contains a number of scientific research studies that
conclude that colloidal silver kills many kinds of
bacteria.

http://www.silvermedicine.org/scientificstudies.html
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8) Side effects poll: Colloidal silver enjoys 90% 
no-side-effects  rate

214 regular CS users were polled, and 90% of them
report no side effects.

http://www.silvermedicine.org/pollresults.html
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If administered properly, there are no proven
silver-specific side effects in ingesting, nebulizing,
or IVing colloidal silver.  There ARE scientific
studies that prove that colloidal silver kills many
types of bacteria.  Don't believe the argyria lies
about colloidal silver 

Here are more, general, links.

9) Silvermedicine.org's homepage

References to all kinds of info on colloidal silver.

http://www.silvermedicine.org/
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10) Essay of colloidal silver

If you need more convincing, hopefully, this will do
it.  It includes info on getting colloidal silver by
IV.  If done right, colloidal silver use can be safe
and effective.  Of course, one should use it slowly,
gradually increasing the dosage or Herx can hit.  

Believe me, I've experienced the harm of increasing
dosages too fast.  But, Herx can hit if one increases
dosages of a number of remedies too repidly - not just
CS.  

There's enough positive evidence out there that I'm
giving it a try.  I haven't found anything yet to
suggest that it's not safe, if

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