Re: CSIs DMSO viricidal in vivo?
I wonder how they measure the 'frequency of consciousness' to get these numbers when conciousness itself has eluded definition so far and no one really knows what it even is or where it comes from. Ode Dr. David Hawkins indicates 80% of the world have consciousness around the 200 MHz level. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIt's probably time...
Yes David, it does seem to be a matter or semantics. Like I said no where does Goodman and Gilman, in their standard reference The Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics, refer to an agent as virucidal. The term is just not used in reference to anti-viral agents. Period. When I said I stand by my statement it was of course with the thought in mind that the popular use of the word kill does not technically apply to viruses. Yet I am communicating with, for the most part, non-technical types, or those accustomed to speaking in common every day language. Of course I realize that we are splitting hairs on this whole topic. If it works, it works. If it does not we move on to something else. My experience is that it works for me. And that it is supported by the scientific literature. Why some people are hung up on proof that is not required of any other anti-viral agent is beyond me. And why I must be the one to demonstrate that their nomenclature is not accurate, their demands excessive and their attitudes less than conducive to discussion is beyond me. Most interestested in this question would have done an exhaustive literature search and discovered for themselves the issue of semantics that this whole discussion hinges on. Garnet On Fri, 2004-05-21 at 20:14, David Bearrow wrote: At 11:43 AM 5/21/04, you wrote: I stated that DMSO kills viruses. I stand by that statement. Garnet Since a virus technically is not alive it cannot be killed. The way I see viri is that they are messed up genetic programs. The cell they reprogram is alive but the virus is not. Sorry for the semantics. :) David Bearrow -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Fever blisters ,Garnet
Thank you, Nina. My research confirms this. stuff At 05:08 PM 5/22/2004 -0400, you wrote: It has been stated several times tha DMSO kills Herpes; Louis Lasagna M.D.,Professor of Pharmacology and Toxicology, university of rochester school [of medicine; states,DMSO has demonstrated clinical usefullness in treating microbial infections serving as an adjunct. Webster defines adjunct as;Something added or joined to another thing but not essentially part of it. Stanley Jacob MD states DMSO is Static to microbials I put my belief in these two distinguished Md s not any one that just says DMSO kills Herpes and shows no documentation of such.. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIs DMSO viricidal in vivo?
Good question -' Dr. David R. Hawkins is a nationally renowned psychiatrist, physician, researcher and lecturer, as his listing in Who's Who in America and Who's Who in the World amply attests. He has been knighted and. ... His previous book, Orthomolecular Psychiatry, co-authored with Nobelist Linus Pauling, sold out completely. ... POWER vs. FORCE is the culmination of twenty years' research. In it, David Hawkins conclusively proves the ability of kinesiological testing to distinguish truth or falsehood in any statementan astonishing idea in itself, with far reaching implications for every aspect of human life.' Further info: google...or http://www.veritaspub.com/ or http://www.beyondtheordinary.net/drhawkins.shtml or http://www.sedonacreativelife.com/pre0088.html etc. Christine Carleton thebodytalkcli...@telus.net From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 07:07:28 -0400 Subject: Re: CSIs DMSO viricidal in vivo? I wonder how they measure the 'frequency of consciousness' to get these numbers when conciousness itself has eluded definition so far and no one really knows what it even is or where it comes from. Ode Dr. David Hawkins indicates 80% of the world have consciousness around the 200 MHz level. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIs DMSO viricidal in vivo?
If you qualify that just a little with the addition; to distinguish truth or falsehood in 'belief' of any statement...I'll go along with that. A window into the subconcious doesn't always point to the 'truth' but may reveal what's behind a denial whether that layer of revelation is true or not. Or put another way, reveal what you truly believe rather than what you're telling yourself you should believe. What is truly believed doesn't have to be a 'truth', but even if it's not true, it's still useful in determining the hidden nature of a conflict that's manifesting in some troublesome way. Danged onions. ode At 06:11 AM 5/23/2004 -0700, you wrote: Good question -' Dr. David R. Hawkins is a nationally renowned psychiatrist, physician, researcher and lecturer, as his listing in Who's Who in America and Who's Who in the World amply attests. He has been knighted and. ... His previous book, Orthomolecular Psychiatry, co-authored with Nobelist Linus Pauling, sold out completely. ... POWER vs. FORCE is the culmination of twenty years' research. In it, David Hawkins conclusively proves the ability of kinesiological testing an astonishing idea in itself, with far reaching implications for every aspect of human life.' Further info: google...or http://www.veritaspub.com/ or http://www.beyondtheordinary.net/drhawkins.shtml or http://www.sedonacreativelife.com/pre0088.html etc. Christine Carleton thebodytalkcli...@telus.net From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 07:07:28 -0400 Subject: Re: CSIs DMSO viricidal in vivo? I wonder how they measure the 'frequency of consciousness' to get these numbers when conciousness itself has eluded definition so far and no one really knows what it even is or where it comes from. Ode Dr. David Hawkins indicates 80% of the world have consciousness around the 200 MHz level. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSIs DMSO viricidal in vivo?
Re: no one really knows what it even is or where it comes from The best explanation I have seen is from the obscure written teachings of Padmasambhava for his personal students. Or maybe it was Malaria. That school of though holds that consciousness is an utterly a-priori attribute of space itself; that is why it can be neither created nor destroyed. The most destructive error [Intentional, I think] of Western Materialism is that consciousness is a result of physical-level metabolism. No brain, no awareness, is the model. Many teachings say it is the other way around; consciousness creates the physical. Keep everyone terrified of not-being by dieing, and they are much more easy to manipulate. They cling to what they think they temporarily possess instead of becoming the greater possibly that exist. I brain is not a storage device; it accesses morphic fields al la Rupert Sheldrake, and edits, processes, and displays the info. JOH I wonder how they measure the 'frequency of consciousness' to get these numbers when conciousness itself has eluded definition so far and no one really knows what it even is or where it comes from. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS al la Rupert Sheldrake, Sir John Eccles etc
Thus understanding there is communication across the morphic fields, how could these proven principals be put to use to expand the use of CS, awareness of DMSO, and benefits of vitamins (especially C) to help more people with their health challenges and diminish scepticism? Christine www.sheldrake.org/ http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1963/eccles-bio.html http://www.veritaspub.com/ From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 10:58:50 -0600 Subject: RE: CSIs DMSO viricidal in vivo? Re: no one really knows what it even is or where it comes from clip... I brain is not a storage device; it accesses morphic fields al la Rupert Sheldrake, and edits, processes, and displays the info. JOH I wonder how they measure the 'frequency of consciousness' to get these numbers when conciousness itself has eluded definition so far and no one really knows what it even is or where it comes from. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSindium- surprise results
Seems there was a thread about it a while back and someone joked about how the only result they had seen was that their pocketbook was lighter from buying it. I tended to agree at the time. We've had a small bottle of it for well over a year but neither I nor my wife relished taking it- mouth puckering to say the least. It was just sitting there on the sink. I've had a particular skin problem for which nothing else has worked so one day I decided to give it a try. Not to bore with all the details, but I think these details are important. I had a spot that originated as a pimple a few years ago, at the base of my neck dead center on my chest, right where it's exposed when the second button of a shirt is not buttoned. It never healed properly. It became an open scar-tissue hole right through my skin. It would keep a small scab, that would dissolve in a shower or get removed when towel drying, or if I scratched at my chest, then it would bleed again. Two months ago it was turning purple and was about the diameter of a pea. It started to worry us. When I first starting applying a (tiny) drop of Indium Sulfate, it would burn and keep burning for quite a long time. It didn't take long at all for the purple to disappear. In maybe two weeks I could not find a scab on it anymore and could not make it bleed. That was two weeks ago now, for a total of about a month since I started doing this. All that remains is a small spot that is somewhat more red than the surrounding skin. (I tend to be red). I started using it on a few other age spots and scars. While none have disappeared completely, there are some that I would have to point out for anyone to notice now. All have faded markedly in a short time. I have one particularly bad burn scar on my left shin slightly smaller than a dime. It's still there but considerably faded. DB __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSSleeping aid?
No luck last night, maybe tonight will be better. Terry -Original Message- From: oldgl...@bigcountry.net [mailto:oldgl...@bigcountry.net] Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 2:39 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSSleeping aid? Hi, My sister wrote me the following fascinating information. Not sure where it came from but an insomniac like myself will try anything once. I know there is a pressure point in this same place for nausea. Has anyone ever tried this before? Use a kidney bean to give yourself the best nights sleep of your life. They say to tape a kidney bean to the inside of your right wrist, three finger widths from the crease of your wrist. They claim you can't stay awake. This is one of the most powerful sleep-promoting points in Oriental medicine. If you doubt it works, try it tonight, just before you go to sleep. This man's patients have been amazed and they've stopped taking their tranquilizers, sleeping pills and antidepressants. End quote. Jean Baugh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.689 / Virus Database: 450 - Release Date: 5/21/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.689 / Virus Database: 450 - Release Date: 5/21/2004
CS
Hi DB, I used Indium for about a year internally and never did notice any effects. I mixed my own at the ratio specified in the patent which is 1 gm Indium with 3.5 cc distilled water. How did you use it? As a liquid? If so how did you keep it wet? Or did you use it as a powder? I envision applying some of the powder to a Band-Aid and wetting the bandage. Suggestions please as I have a skin problem too and so far nothing has worked. Best regards, Trem - Original Message - From: daddybob daddybob52...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 11:50 AM Subject: [silver_list] CSindium- surprise results Seems there was a thread about it a while back and someone joked about how the only result they had seen was that their pocketbook was lighter from buying it. I tended to agree at the time. We've had a small bottle of it for well over a year but neither I nor my wife relished taking it- mouth puckering to say the least. It was just sitting there on the sink. I've had a particular skin problem for which nothing else has worked so one day I decided to give it a try. Not to bore with all the details, but I think these details are important. I had a spot that originated as a pimple a few years ago, at the base of my neck dead center on my chest, right where it's exposed when the second button of a shirt is not buttoned. It never healed properly. It became an open scar-tissue hole right through my skin. It would keep a small scab, that would dissolve in a shower or get removed when towel drying, or if I scratched at my chest, then it would bleed again. Two months ago it was turning purple and was about the diameter of a pea. It started to worry us. When I first starting applying a (tiny) drop of Indium Sulfate, it would burn and keep burning for quite a long time. It didn't take long at all for the purple to disappear. In maybe two weeks I could not find a scab on it anymore and could not make it bleed. That was two weeks ago now, for a total of about a month since I started doing this. All that remains is a small spot that is somewhat more red than the surrounding skin. (I tend to be red). I started using it on a few other age spots and scars. While none have disappeared completely, there are some that I would have to point out for anyone to notice now. All have faded markedly in a short time. I have one particularly bad burn scar on my left shin slightly smaller than a dime. It's still there but considerably faded. DB __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCorrection in previous post
Love those spell checkers. Correction: The best explanation I have seen is from the obscure written teachings of Padmasambhava for his personal students. Or maybe it was Malaria. Should be Milarepa. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS al la Rupert Sheldrake, Sir John Eccles etc
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him pull his head out. JOH -Original Message- From: Christine Carleton [mailto:essential-liv...@telus.net] Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 11:59 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS al la Rupert Sheldrake, Sir John Eccles etc Thus understanding there is communication across the morphic fields, how could these proven principals be put to use to expand the use of CS, awareness of DMSO, and benefits of vitamins (especially C) to help more people with their health challenges and diminish scepticism? Christine www.sheldrake.org/ http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1963/eccles-bio.html http://www.veritaspub.com/ From: James Holmes ami...@starband.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 10:58:50 -0600 Subject: RE: CSIs DMSO viricidal in vivo? Re: no one really knows what it even is or where it comes from clip... I brain is not a storage device; it accesses morphic fields al la Rupert Sheldrake, and edits, processes, and displays the info. JOH I wonder how they measure the 'frequency of consciousness' to get these numbers when conciousness itself has eluded definition so far and no one really knows what it even is or where it comes from. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSkeptics
Hi Christine, Time is on our side because most of the skeptics are the ones who are dying out at a MUCH faster rate. Not funny but true! Jean Baugh ** Thus understanding there is communication across the morphic fields, how could these proven principals be put to use to expand the use of CS, awareness of DMSO, and benefits of vitamins (especially C) to help more people with their health challenges and diminish scepticism? Christine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSkeptics
Jean, When I see sick teens, with what 40 year olds used to have, and youngsters of 40 struggling with what 60 year olds used to have... When I see folks unable jump out of the chains of what the Dr. said... What you say is true. They even have support groups for young girls without breasts. I'm glad they've support - it's almost exclusively one health protocol - the lop chop group with artificial hormones SSRI's to help deal with 'reality'. I need to go out in the sun to garden dig up old roots that irritate me... Christine Time is on our side because most of the skeptics are the ones who are dying out at a MUCH faster rate. Not funny but true! Jean Baugh ** Thus understanding there is communication across the morphic fields, how could these proven principals be put to use to expand the use of CS, awareness of DMSO, and benefits of vitamins (especially C) to help more people with their health challenges and diminish scepticism? Christine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS: link to site re AIDS silver (tetrasilver tetroxide)
http://www.boydgraves.com/flowchart/ http://www.boydgraves.com/news/011004.doc Method of curing AIDS with tetrasilver tetroxide molecular crystal devices Abstract The diamagnetic semiconducting molecular crystal tetrasilver tetroxide (Ag.sub.4 O.sub.4) is utilized for destroying the AIDS virus, destroying AIDS synergistic pathogens and immunity suppressing moieties (ISM) in humans. A single intravenous injection of the devices is all that is required for efficacy at levels of about 40 PPM of human blood. The device molecular crystal contains two mono and two trivalent silver ions capable of firing electrons capable of electrocuting the AIDS virus, pathogens and ISM. When administered into the bloodstream, the device electrons will be triggered by pathogens, a proliferating virus and ISM, and when fired will simultaneously trigger a redox chelation mechanism resulting in divalent silver moieties which chelate and bind active sites of the entities destroying them. The devices are completely non-toxic. However, they put stress on the liver causing hepatomegaly, but there is no loss of liver function. --- The present invention is based on concepts previously elucidated in applicant's U.S. Pat. No. 5,336,499 which discloses the destruction and inhibition of bacteria, algae and the AIDS virus in nutrient life supporting systems by using said silver oxide devices. Example 3 of said patent discloses that 18 PPM of said crystal devices could totally suppress the AIDS virus (page 6, line 5). Subsequent to the filing of the aforementioned patent, further testing revealed complete 100% destruction of the AIDS virus in vitro at 20 PPM, and the fact that said devices were harmless when ingested and inhaled, being non-toxic. Encouraged by these evaluations and successes, applicant obtained permission to evaluate the crystals in vitro against murine acquired immune deficiency syndrome (MAIDS). Only one facility in the State of Israel is licensed for these evaluations, namely, the Kaplan Hospital in Rehovot, Israel, which is affiliated with the Hebrew University- Hadassah Medical School where said evaluations were done. The initial evaluations entailed experimenting with various silver moieties cited in applicant's aforementioned patent, concentrations, non-reactive buffers and modes of administration. After about 18 months of judicious efforts and initial failures, success was finally achieved in destroying the MAIDS virus in C57BL mice with a single intravenous injection. The results of this test program comprise Example 5 of U.S. Pat. No. 5,336,499. After success with mice, the inventor was able to test the efficacy of said devices on two select etiological groups of terminal AIDS patients in a clinic in Tegucigalpa, Honduras, Central America. - etc discussed on Hulda Clark site http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DrClark/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSThe Glass vs Plastic debate..
Anyone find these comments to be true? This is an article from ABL labs web page. The findings suggest that plastic may be better than glass for cs storage. Does ABL use plastic for there ASAP solution? Thanks Steve Silver in Glass vs. Plastic Containers Introduction A great deal of controversy has arisen in the market place on the question of whether it is better to store silver solutions in glass versus plastic containers. There is a misconception that has prevailed in the market place that glass is better. The idea that glass containers are better for storing products which contain silver has never been proven scientifically. In fact, it has been reported in other studies that glass may have a detrimental effect on silver products. Test Work I have been conducting biological studies for 3 years, in the laboratory of a major private institution, on the use of silver products to kill and inhibit the growth of bacteria. I have conducted thousands of tests on numerous strains of pathogenic bacteria. In the testing I have completed, I have used both glass (5 ml glass test tubes) and plastic (Falcon 5 ml polypropylene plastic test tubes). In some of the test work we found that there was a difference in the amount of silver that was needed to kill the bacteria when glass was used versus plastic test tubes. In order to make sure this was the case, it was decided that the MIC tests (Minimum Inhibitory Concentration) should be replicated by more than one person and a direct comparison was made. The MIC tests were performed in triplicate in both 5 ml 13X100mm glass test tubes and 5 ml Falcon polypropylene plastic test tubes. Results of the bacterial (MIC) tests showed that Staphylococcus aureus was inhibited at 2.5 ppm when the MIC test was performed in the plastic test tubes. S. aureus was inhibited at 5 ppm when the MIC test was performed in glass test tubes. This suggested that the material with which the test tubes were made, specifically glass or plastic, may have effected the results of the MIC test. Numerous other tests were also completed using larger concentrations of bacterium and in those tests it was found that there was no significant difference at all between using the glass test tubes versus plastic test tubes. Other Studies The studies which I performed are not the only tests showing that glass, in some circumstances, may have a detrimental effect on silver products. It has been noted in another independent study which has been cited by other researchers that silver can adsorb to glass (Chambers 1960; Thurman 1989). With this in mind, it may have been possible that the silver could have adsorbed to the surface of the glass test tubes reducing the concentration of available silver interacting with the bacteria which resulted in having to use a higher amount of silver to kill the bacteria when the glass test tubes were used. Conclusion In the test work I have completed as well as in other available studies, it was found that glass may, in some cases, have a detrimental effect on silver products. While it can be said that glass did not always show the detrimental effect, it can also be stated that we found no problems at all with using the plastic instead of glass. Our tests, in conclusion with the other available independent study (1Chambers et al. and 2Thurman et al.), would suggest, by inference, that silver products should not be stored in glass containers which could reduce the available concentration of silver, but rather in a high quality plastic container. Respectively, David A. Revelli, MS -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSNanobacteria: A new form of life
GlacierNanobacteria revelations provoke new controversy. Some claim they are a new life form responsible for a wide-range of diseases, including the calcification of the arteries that afflicts us all as we age. Others say they are simply too small (less than 100 nanometres across) to be living creatures. New Scientist Print Edition at http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns5009 Contributed by www.biophysica.com Glacier Bkgrd.jpg
CSThe Glass vs Plastic debate..
Hi David, If this is true, then the brown plastic Hydrogen Peroxide bottles would be ideal to store Colloidal Silver? Jean Baugh ** From: scl...@netzero.com scl...@netzero.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 01:08:34 GMT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSThe Glass vs Plastic debate.. Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 18:10:03 -0700 Anyone find these comments to be true? This is an article from ABL labs web page. The findings suggest that plastic may be better than glass for cs storage. Does ABL use plastic for there ASAP solution? Thanks Steve Silver in Glass vs. Plastic Containers Introduction A great deal of controversy has arisen in the market place on the question of whether it is better to store silver solutions in glass versus plastic containers. There is a misconception that has prevailed in the market place that glass is better. The idea that glass containers are better for storing products which contain silver has never been proven scientifically. In fact, it has been reported in other studies that glass may have a detrimental effect on silver products. Test Work I have been conducting biological studies for 3 years, in the laboratory of a major private institution, on the use of silver products to kill and inhibit the growth of bacteria. I have conducted thousands of tests on numerous strains of pathogenic bacteria. In the testing I have completed, I have used both glass (5 ml glass test tubes) and plastic (Falcon 5 ml polypropylene plastic test tubes). In some of the test work we found that there was a difference in the amount of silver that was needed to kill the bacteria when glass was used versus plastic test tubes. In order to make sure this was the case, it was decided that the MIC tests (Minimum Inhibitory Concentration) should be replicated by more than one person and a direct comparison was made. The MIC tests were performed in triplicate in both 5 ml 13X100mm glass test tubes and 5 ml Falcon polypropylene plastic test tubes. Results of the bacterial (MIC) tests showed that Staphylococcus aureus was inhibited at 2.5 ppm! when the MIC test was performed in the plastic test tubes. S. aureus was inhibited at 5 ppm when the MIC test was performed in glass test tubes. This suggested that the material with which the test tubes were made, specifically glass or plastic, may have effected the results of the MIC test. Numerous other tests were also completed using larger concentrations of bacterium and in those tests it was found that there was no significant difference at all between using the glass test tubes versus plastic test tubes. Other Studies The studies which I performed are not the only tests showing that glass, in some circumstances, may have a detrimental effect on silver products. It has been noted in another independent study which has been cited by other researchers that silver can adsorb to glass (Chambers 1960; Thurman 1989). With this in mind, it may have been possible that the silver could have adsorbed to the surface of the glass test tubes reducing the concentration of available silver interacting with the bacteria which resulted in having to use a higher amount of silver to kill the bacteria when the glass test tubes were used. Conclusion In the test work I have completed as well as in other available studies, it was found that glass may, in some cases, have a detrimental effect on silver products. While it can be said that glass did not always show the detrimental effect, it can also be stated that we found no problems at all with using the plastic instead of glass. Our tests, in conclusion with the other available independent study (1Chambers et al. and 2Thurman et al.), would suggest, by inference, that silver products should not be stored in glass containers which could reduce the available concentration of silver, but rather in a high quality plastic container. Respectively, David A. Revelli, MS -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSfood crops sprayed with pesticides can be labeled organic
MAY 23, 2004. Not only is the government eroding its own definitions of organic, it is setting up a more difficult road for genuine organic farmers. On the first point, for example, we have the USDA announcement that food crops sprayed with pesticides can be labeled organic if all parties concerned DO NOT KNOW the ingredients. Well, of course, the government has also permitted pesticide manufacturers to HIDE INGREDIENTS as proprietary corporate information. Clip. Organic growers should band together in many more regional groups and present their own standards and promises to the consumer---without using the word organic. That may sound like suicide---because millions and millions of dollars have been spent driving home the meaning of the word organic for decades---but when the government controls the definition of word, we're all in trouble, and there is no use denying it. JON RAPPOPORT www.nomorefakenews.com
