CS>test
test JBB -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>EMERGENCY
I AM FACING SURGERY FOR AN OVARIAN ABCESS IN A FEW DAYS. THIS OPERATION WILL LEAVE ME STERILE. PLEASE HELP. I HAVE CS , DMSO AND OREGANO OIL AND I NEED THE DOSAGE. ANY ADVICE WOULD TRULY BE APPRECIATED. THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR ALL YOUR SPEEDY REPLYS (THIS IS A FRIEND -- SHE DOESN'T HAVE AN E-MAIL ADDRESS I WILL RELAY ANY MESSAGESGLADYS) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Parrot, kidney problem and Colloidal Silver
Absolutely wonderful! I feed my cockatiel 10ppm colloidal silver in his water bowl for the past 2 years. He is happy and healthy and has never even had a cold. At 11:47 PM 7/24/04, you wrote: Hi, I've waited quite a while so as to be certain of what I'm posting. I have a parrot (he talks way too much!), who had an infection in his kidneys. Baytril injected in grapes cured the infection. Some months pass and Babe seems to regain the kidney infection. I ask the specialist vet for some more Baytril but the vet asked me to bring him (I assume Babe is a he because I've never seen an egg), in for testing because it might not be an infection. Tests show kidney failure but the vet can't tell me exactly what the cause is or the kind of failure (there are several reasons for kidney failure). -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Private Messages
Evening Sol, At 08:13 PM 7/25/04, you wrote: Oh, good grief, that was supposed to be sent off-list privately. Aplogies to everyone. I read it three times and saw nothing to justify sending it private. I ran a BBS for years. The law requires that the system operator be able to read all private messages. It does not state that you have to read them. At least 90% of the private messages had no material to justify being sent private. I figure that "trade secrets" and hard core bickering is about the only real justification for private messages. That one was relatively on topic. I hope I did not read the wrong message. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>re: mold
When do you actually just live your life? Work? Read? Take care of household chores? Please don't think this is a facetious question, I'd really like to know. To do all those things might help me, but I'm exhausted just reading about it. sol Paul Holloway wrote: Thanks for the suggestion, but I meditate and do Qi Gong regularly, and am calmer and less stressed than I have ever been, I don't eat any refined foods at all, nor do I use any chemicals and my diet includes lots of raw vegetables. I drink ozonated water, lots of it, drink CS, rebound regularly and get plenty of other exercise. I don't drink alcohol, don't smoke and rarely drink coffee. I take 5 grams of vitamin C and MSM every day in divided doses, and take plenty of other nutrients. I also detox regularly, doing kidney and liver cleanses, and have an infrared sauna every week or two. I don't even use toothpaste any more, finding soap works better. I have maintained this for the past two years. Paul H -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>copper and CS and update on yellow CS
Oh, good grief, that was supposed to be sent off-list privately. Aplogies to everyone. sol sol wrote: With regard to the back and forth about copper wire in the bottom of a CS brewing jar, -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Paul and nasal fungus
Hi Paul, First of all, I want to apologize for the delay in my upcoming reply to you on a related fungus thread, where you had responded in great detail and given information which have been very helpful to me, including the photos. I wanted to respond in detail but never had the time to do it and so it just went by...sorry about that and I will be replying in detail in a few days. I am sorry to hear about your setback with the fungus. I may have stumbled onto something which can be of great help to both of us and others whcih may suffer from chronic fungal sinusitis, I am looking into the details of it right now for my own treatment. I have for many years been studying different aspects of ayurvedic medicine from India. In Ayurveda, medicinal oils are used which also includes some particular nasal oils (Nasya therapy), some of these include herbal extracts with strong antifungal properties which can be dripped directly into the nasal passage and sinuses on a daily basis without causing discomfort. I will later this week be sending some particular details about the different oil blends. I imagine it will be possible to mix these oil blends with possibly DMSO and CS added and use this blend in a sinus irrigator such as the Sinus Rinoflow from Home Respironics to effectively reach all the sinus cavities with the oil/ blend. I plan to try this myself in the near future. Will update in a few days about the oils and where to get them. Cheers! Ole --- Paul Holloway wrote: > Hi Garnet, > > I use Citricidal, made by Nutribiotic. > They say that it does not contain benzalkonium, and > I believe that because > of inaccurate rumors circulating, they now test each > batch for the presence > of benzalkonium. > See http://www.nutribiotic.com/GSELiquid.htm and > http://www.gfex.com/citricidal.htm > BTW, nonoxynol and benzalkonium are two entirely > different chemicals, though > both used as spermicides. > > Paul H > > - Original Message - > From: "Garnet" > To: "Silver List" > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 1:07 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Paul and nasal fungus > > > > If you do use GSE just be sure you are not > allergic to Benzalkonium > > Chloride (aka Nonoxynol and other names) which is > used as a preservative > > in many GSE products. It causes allergic reactions > in some people. It is > > also the spermicide in many jellies and used in > dry clean carpet > > processes. Makes me itch like crazy to get it on > my skin, my daughter > > too. First found out about my allergy from the > jelly, talk about a bad > > itch! > > > > It has also been debated whether it is actually > the component that is > > effective. I have not followed this debate close > enough to say whether > > it has been proven either way. But I would not > want to put Nonoxynol up > > my nose! > > > > Garnet > > > > On Mon, 2004-07-19 at 17:56, Shirley Reed wrote: > > > Grapefruit Seed Extract is supposed to be > excellent for fungus, both > > > nasal and other. Their site is > www.nutriteam.com pj > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for > discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: > http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: > silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: > silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: > http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://www.allnewmessenger.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>copper and CS and update on yellow CS
With regard to the back and forth about copper wire in the bottom of a CS brewing jar, I wanted to let you know I am still using the coiled silver electrode and the circle copper one, that you sent me many months ago. It does make very good very clear EIS, much more consistently clear than the U electrodes. Should I stop using them? The copper circle was long, long ago completely coated, no copper shows whatsoever, and has not from maybe even the second batch. With regard to the problems I had for so long with yellow CS, I have found that whether the contaminant is in the air or the water, as long as I stick to using only distilled water that measures .3 uS or below on my PWT the CS comes out clear close to 100% of the time. At .4 uS it is a crap shoot whether the CS is clear or has color. At .5uS and above it is nearly always yellow. Depending on what the city is sending us as tap water, sometimes I have to double distill the water to get it down to .3 uS. For drinking water I distill hot tap water and get DW averaging about .6 or so. For CS making I distill filtered cold tap water, and it comes out usually at .3, rarely .2. This has all been so interesting. Just recently I had no .3 DW ready, so I made a batch of CS with .4 DW, and it came out yellow. After sitting in the brewing jar for a few days it went clear. This is the first time I've ever had that happen, if the finished product is yellow whatsoever, it has always gone more yellow with time. Weird. paula (sol, who hopes you take no personal offense at my comments re smoking--sometimes I need to vent somewhere, and doing it on the OT list is less harmful to me than shooting the neighbors) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>re: mold
Sounds to me like you like to worry yourself to death..which is why you need to meditate in the first place? I used to meditate a lot, till I figured out that it wasn't something I had to "do". It was something I did to relieve the stress over something else I was doing. [ie. worrying] That's kind of like loading a horse to slow it down instead of saying "woah". Now, worrying is more like a sport. I still do it because I apparenly like to do it sometimes. It still doesn't serve any purpose but to get me all tied up in myself. Maybe getting untied just feels good? I know many a couple who argue bitterly over nothing just so they can make up. Ode At 09:48 AM 7/25/2004 +0100, you wrote: >Hi John, > >Thanks for the suggestion, but I meditate and do Qi Gong regularly, and am >calmer and less stressed than I have ever been, I don't eat any refined >foods at all, nor do I use any chemicals and my diet includes lots of raw >vegetables. I drink ozonated water, lots of it, drink CS, rebound regularly >and get plenty of other exercise. I don't drink alcohol, don't smoke and >rarely drink coffee. I take 5 grams of vitamin C and MSM every day in >divided doses, and take plenty of other nutrients. >I also detox regularly, doing kidney and liver cleanses, and have an >infrared sauna every week or two. >I don't even use toothpaste any more, finding soap works better. >I have maintained this for the past two years. > >Paul H > >- Original Message - >From: "john rigby" >To: >Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 8:31 AM >Subject: Re: CS>re: mold > > >> At 03:17 PM 19/07/04, Paul wrote: >> >I am wondering if the CS really helps. >> >Any ideas very welcome. >> >I thought I had beaten this and am feeling a bit demoralised. >> >> Hi Paul and folks, >> Yes. It sure helps. But you sound like a classic case of >> re-infection/immune system collapse. >> As everyone is getting tired of hearing me repeat the same tune over and >> over again, when people have chronic anything, have a look >> here: http://fablor.com/soapbox/ under the post called PSORIASIS" >> >> You ought to see what happens when someone who beats Cancer gets too cocky >> and slackens and it grabs them again in a couple of years. THAT's scary! >> >> That machine that you inhabit was a fantastic design with a lot of >failsafe >> mechanisms built-in, but the assaults on it in the world of >> today. Anyone over 25 in the world >> today is wearing down fast. It takes a lifetime commitment to get up to >and >> stay at real life level. >> Do go and read the PSORIASIS post. >> >> Cheers, >> Himagain >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. >> >> Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> >> Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >> OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html >> >> List maintainer: Mike Devour >> > >
Re: CS> Not use copper at all?
>>>Ode, you wrote, "I'm sticking with silver and distilled as a rule", -- Do you think that I would be better off by NOT placing the copper wire in the bottom of the jug while making CS? Also, would I be better off by not leaving copper wire in the finished product for any period of time? ## The copper apparently pulls the silver both ionic and colloidal..chunks and all..big pieces first, then everything else eventually.. out of the water without being part of a reaction itself. I have no idea how, but it all winds up on the bottom in several various forms. [and some on the top as a silvery slick too] The copper gathering black oxides as any color clears up is the first part of the process. It doesn't seem to stop there. That's not to say that copper can't be used to serve a purpose but that the purpose has a time frame...though, oddly, my little quart batch didn't stop doing its thing after the copper was removed while other batches did if the copper was removed sooner. >>>Also, what do you think the black deposit on the copper wire may be? ## The granular looking black stuff pretty much has to be silver oxides. The observation that it gets thicker as color leaves the water might indicate that oxides do play some sort of role in having color. That's not to say that color is not due to particle size rather than 'pigmentation', but that oxides [or just oxygen itself...maybe dissolved carbon dioxide?] may have something to do with pure metallic silver particle agglomeration as something for a crystal to grow on like snow flakes and raindrops grow on dust particles. There may also be some relationship to the fizzing phenomenon when you pour root beer into a glass, let it stop fizzing, then add an ice cube only to have the glass of root beer foam over the top [Humm, does that happen if the ice cube is very very pure water? Is it metallic minerals or just surfaces?]...and the way that very pure water can be super heated in a microwave without boiling, then explode in your face when you put a spoon in it. Apparently, gasses can do very strange things when there are surfaces around without being 'involved' with those surfaces in a 'chemical' way. The next question will be, is it only copper that does this, or does any 'different' metallic surface do it? [I haven't noticed that a piece of silver wire does this thing nor have I tried any other dissimilar metal.] Does it have to be metallic, or just a surface? Placing a piece of white insulated copper wire in the CS results in the exposed ends gathering the fuzzy black stuff, but not the plastic. [Though it will stain brown to blackish if ionic CS dries on it] I know that if you leave a darkly colored CS in a clear glass container for a long time, the glass becomes tinted as the water clears. Glass has various metallic and semi metallic componants. I've only used canning jars not borosilicate glass for long term storage and have made very few batches with color to them and kept even fewer. H2O2 makes that coating vanish instantly even if the container is emptied and dried..almost as fast as it removes oxide deposits from an electrode. And the H2O2 doesn't get tinted. More questions than answers, ey? Ode >>>Thanks, Phinneas -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Paul and nasal fungus
On Sun, 2004-07-25 at 03:21, Paul Holloway wrote: > BTW, nonoxynol and benzalkonium are two entirely different chemicals, though Hmmm, that is interesting as the information I found previously said that Nonoxynol was one of many trade names used for BAC. But you are correct, as I just ran a search on both, they are not the same. Guess I am lucky enough to be sensitive to both. BAC it seems is somehow related to Coconut Oil, previously when I was very sensitive to Coconut Oil I could not use any derivatives, of which there are many in soap and shampoo products. Not sure if Nonoxynol is also a derivative. Glad to hear it is not in Citricidal. And that the rumors are inaccurate. I know many people get great results using GSE. Thanks for setting me straight! Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>re: mold
Hi John, Thanks for the suggestion, but I meditate and do Qi Gong regularly, and am calmer and less stressed than I have ever been, I don't eat any refined foods at all, nor do I use any chemicals and my diet includes lots of raw vegetables. I drink ozonated water, lots of it, drink CS, rebound regularly and get plenty of other exercise. I don't drink alcohol, don't smoke and rarely drink coffee. I take 5 grams of vitamin C and MSM every day in divided doses, and take plenty of other nutrients. I also detox regularly, doing kidney and liver cleanses, and have an infrared sauna every week or two. I don't even use toothpaste any more, finding soap works better. I have maintained this for the past two years. Paul H - Original Message - From: "john rigby" To: Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 8:31 AM Subject: Re: CS>re: mold > At 03:17 PM 19/07/04, Paul wrote: > >I am wondering if the CS really helps. > >Any ideas very welcome. > >I thought I had beaten this and am feeling a bit demoralised. > > Hi Paul and folks, > Yes. It sure helps. But you sound like a classic case of > re-infection/immune system collapse. > As everyone is getting tired of hearing me repeat the same tune over and > over again, when people have chronic anything, have a look > here: http://fablor.com/soapbox/ under the post called PSORIASIS" > > You ought to see what happens when someone who beats Cancer gets too cocky > and slackens and it grabs them again in a couple of years. THAT's scary! > > That machine that you inhabit was a fantastic design with a lot of failsafe > mechanisms built-in, but the assaults on it in the world of > today. Anyone over 25 in the world > today is wearing down fast. It takes a lifetime commitment to get up to and > stay at real life level. > Do go and read the PSORIASIS post. > > Cheers, > Himagain > > > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Paul and nasal fungus
Hi Garnet, I use Citricidal, made by Nutribiotic. They say that it does not contain benzalkonium, and I believe that because of inaccurate rumors circulating, they now test each batch for the presence of benzalkonium. See http://www.nutribiotic.com/GSELiquid.htm and http://www.gfex.com/citricidal.htm BTW, nonoxynol and benzalkonium are two entirely different chemicals, though both used as spermicides. Paul H - Original Message - From: "Garnet" To: "Silver List" Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 1:07 AM Subject: Re: CS>Paul and nasal fungus > If you do use GSE just be sure you are not allergic to Benzalkonium > Chloride (aka Nonoxynol and other names) which is used as a preservative > in many GSE products. It causes allergic reactions in some people. It is > also the spermicide in many jellies and used in dry clean carpet > processes. Makes me itch like crazy to get it on my skin, my daughter > too. First found out about my allergy from the jelly, talk about a bad > itch! > > It has also been debated whether it is actually the component that is > effective. I have not followed this debate close enough to say whether > it has been proven either way. But I would not want to put Nonoxynol up > my nose! > > Garnet > > On Mon, 2004-07-19 at 17:56, Shirley Reed wrote: > > Grapefruit Seed Extract is supposed to be excellent for fungus, both > > nasal and other. Their site is www.nutriteam.com pj > > > > > > __ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
