Re: CSvirus reaction
Re: CSvirus reaction From: Jonathan B. Britten Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 22:18:58 Mike, Thanks for the helpful suggestions, especially about the throw-away e-mail addresses. You're welcome. I hope the information is helpful:) Baffling that someone using the list would be motivated to tailor-make infected messages, as several of us have evidently received. I am glad to hear, though, that my observations seem to correspond to the reality. One doesn't want to find oneself becoming unduly paranoid, though a bit of paranoia may have some survival value these days. . . JBB These people can send malicious email by forging their email header to hide their identity. There is a slim chance the problem may be solved soon, if an agreement can be reached with Microsoft on patent issues. The most recent article I can find is on Slashdot: RMS Weighs In On SPF/Sender-ID License (144 kbytes) http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/07/25/1343228tid=111tid=117tid=109 The issues are a bit complicated and hard to follow due to the habit of the Slashdot crowd to reach conclusions without collecting the facts. But with luck, reason will prevail and an effective agreement will be implemented. Then, maybe within 24 hrs, spam will finally come to an end. Keep your fingers crossed:) Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSvirus reaction
I don't think it is a diabolical person who is on the list that is attacking the list maliciously. Most of the bad emails have been infected with various worms. These worms were cleverly written to not only harvest email addresses from its victim but it also harvests the emails themselves and creates emails based on content it finds in the email it harvests. Occams razor tells me that likely one or more people on our list have been infected with one of the new cleverly written worms. Dave At 11:53 PM 8/9/04, you wrote: Baffling that someone using the list would be motivated to tailor-make infected messages, as several of us have evidently received. I am glad to hear, though, that my observations seem to correspond to the reality. One doesn't want to find oneself becoming unduly paranoid, though a bit of paranoia may have some survival value these days. . . JBB On Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004, at 13:07 Asia/Tokyo, Mike Monett wrote: Hi Jonathan, I have also received many emails with virus attachments from this list, with subject lines that indicate the sender knows me from information gained by reading the list. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSvirus reaction
If you use Outlook, it'll taylor make it's own viral attachments, send them to everyone you know and not tell you it did. ode At 01:53 PM 8/10/2004 +0900, you wrote: Mike, Thanks for the helpful suggestions, especially about the throw-away e-mail addresses. Baffling that someone using the list would be motivated to tailor-make infected messages, as several of us have evidently received. I am glad to hear, though, that my observations seem to correspond to the reality. One doesn't want to find oneself becoming unduly paranoid, though a bit of paranoia may have some survival value these days. . . JBB On Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004, at 13:07 Asia/Tokyo, Mike Monett wrote: Hi Jonathan, I have also received many emails with virus attachments from this list, with subject lines that indicate the sender knows me from information gained by reading the list. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSvirus reaction
Re: CSvirus reaction From: David Bearrow Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 05:17:50 I don't think it is a diabolical person who is on the list that is attacking the list maliciously. Most of the bad emails have been infected with various worms. These worms were cleverly written to not only harvest email addresses from its victim but it also harvests the emails themselves and creates emails based on content it finds in the email it harvests. Occams razor tells me that likely one or more people on our list have been infected with one of the new cleverly written worms. Dave Good point, Dave. It could be a worm. You'd think if it was a worm, more people on the list would get these emails. But they only seem to affect one or two people at a time. I tried to send several emails to the sender's address. They were all different, and they all bounced. It is true a worm could fake an address, but in order to create the most havoc, they generally leave the address valid so people would blame an innocent person. On the other hand, a malicious sender would definitely fake his return address to avoid detection. And how would a worm know that Jonathan was interested in Flax Oil? The last time this phrase occurs in the subject line is Jonathan's post titled CSEPA/DHA (Fish Oil, Flax Oil) on 8 Oct 2001: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m40762.html A worm would not search the list archives and locate a phrase that would be of interest to Jonathan. Also, he received his virus recently. So it's hard to tell for sure, but I tend to lean towards an individual as the source of these messages. But, as in everything associated with the internet, always practice save hex:) Turn off javascript, and disable html. All of these help a virus writer gain access to your computer. Although there are many methods available that don't need any user action to load a virus. The safest is to follow the recommendations of many groups, and don't use Microsoft products on the internet. They will never fix all the holes in their products. Use Firefox instead of MS Explorer, and any of the numerous email clients instead of Outlook. And be very careful of attachments. Perhaps someone knows of a scanner that can check email attachments for executables and delete them. But I don't have to worry - they won't even run on my system:) Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSvirus reaction
At 02:53 PM 10/08/04, you wrote: I am glad to hear, though, that my observations seem to correspond to the reality. One doesn't want to find oneself becoming unduly paranoid, though a bit of paranoia may have some survival value these days. . . Hi Jonathon folks, Actually, there isn't *enough* of it about! Cheers, Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGold Generator Immune system.
The correct link is www.naturalwellness.com/colloidal The reference for the Gold statement is almost 20 years old and the rest of the site reads like Quack Watchers. Good try Noel but it isn't good science, it is disinformation. Follow the money. Garnet On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 11:59, Nina Whit wrote: Garnet wrote that gold enhances the immune system, not true. At www.naturalwellness.com.colloidal ,it states:GOLD = Dermatitis and stomatitis are the most frequently reported sitde effects of gold The oral use of gold has resulted ina type of kidney dirsease...it is believed that the gold forms a gold/protein complex that becomes deposited in the kidney tisues. It is known to cause bone marow toxicity... GOLD IS KNOWN TO CAURSE IMMUNE SYSTEM SUPRERSSION.' ..23 Again my name is not noel, its Nina, Please get your facts correct. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSGold Generator Immune system.
There are no hard facts on colloidal gold, only gold salts. Garnet On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 12:59, Jim Holmes wrote: Let's see a facts duel guys. Post those links! JOH -Original Message- From: Nina Whit [mailto:ninaw...@webtv.net] Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:00 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSGold Generator Immune system. Garnet wrote that gold enhances the immune system, not true. At www.naturalwellness.com.colloidal ,it states:GOLD = Dermatitis and stomatitis are the most frequently reported sitde effects of gold The oral use of gold has resulted ina type of kidney dirsease...it is believed that the gold forms a gold/protein complex that becomes deposited in the kidney tisues. It is known to cause bone marow toxicity... GOLD IS KNOWN TO CAURSE IMMUNE SYSTEM SUPRERSSION.' ..23 Again my name is not noel, its Nina, Please get your facts correct. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGold Generator Source for immune supression.
This site asserts that silver is not naturally ocurring in the body yet the standard lab reference The Elements by John Elmsley, Science Writer in Residence at Cambridge University lists naturally ocurring amounts in the whole body and in various tissues. Hmmm . . . Garnet On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 15:00, Christine Carleton wrote: Opphs, found it at: http://naturalwellness.com/index.htm Interesting source: ...The next few paragraphs on colloidal minerals were written by Albion's Max Motyka. ...Definition of Colloidal Minerals For years, Albion has been dedicated to research regarding minerals. In addition, Albion holds over 60 international patents in the process of mineral chelation. 'Silver: Silver does not occur regularly in animal or human tissue... The major effect of excessive absorption of silver is generalized impregnation of the tissues where it forms an insoluble complex. .It accumulates in the spleen, liver, bone marrow, lungs, muscles and skin. Lesions of the kidney and lungs, as well as arteriosclerosis have been attributed to industrial and medicinal silver exposure. When colloidal silver was given to experimental animals, it produced death due to pulmonary edema and congestion. Hemolysis and resulting bone marrow hyperplasia have been reported with silver. Chronic bronchitis has been reported from the medicinal use of colloidal silver.22 Gold: Dermatitis and stomatitis are the most frequently reported side effects of gold. The oral use of gold has resulted in...a type of kidney disease...It is believed that the gold forms a gold/protein complex that becomes deposited in the kidney tissues. It is known to cause bone marrow toxin.. Gold is known to cause immune system suppression. .23 22. J. Doull, et al. Casareti and Doull's Toxicology, The Basic Science of Poisons, Third Edition, 1986, p.625. 23. Ibid Is there a conflict of interest? Patents? Money? Could it be self serving? From: Christine Carleton essential-liv...@telus.net Google says: Your search - www.natural wellness.com/colloidal/ - did not match any documents. ??? From: ninaw...@webtv.net (Nina Whit) Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:03:24 -0700 www.natural wellness.com/colloidal/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe:CSLyme Disease
I am sending CS to a friend who has an advanced case of Lyme Disease. She said it has helped. Bill Amos -- Dear List Members, I'm looking for data that supports the use of CS for Lyme disease. If I recall correctly someone was collecting data on this. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks! Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBlack Walnut Tincture
MessageHulda Clark sells no products, none. The sites using her name have no connection with her at all. Joy I believe Hulda Clark sell the tincture. JOH
Re: CSBlack Walnut Tincture
Also it is hellaciously difficlult to get the hulls off of green picked nuts, and you will bruise the hulls doing it thus damaging them and they will then turn black. I have been picking walnuts all my life, I grew up on a tree farm. Brickey is right that balck walnut hulls stain really badly. If you want to dye with it it does not require a mordant. Use an Iron pot to boil it in and you will get a reasonably black dye. In a message dated 8/8/2004 10:15:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mdud...@king-cart.com writes: Huh? With the good stuff in the hull, why not just soak the hulls. It allows you to put many more hulls in a given size container, and in any given amount of PGA or Vodka If you do decide to peel off the green hulls, you may consider wearing gloves as it does stain really badly. It also takes more than the usual time for the stains to fade, if I recall correctly. If any juice gets on any clothing, the stain will be pronounced and permanent. pj Also, one fifth of Vodka Black Walnut tincture lasts me a couple years. I have no need to make even more. I don't want to keep it too long as it might loose its strength. Every now and then I take two teaspoons on an empty stomach to keep my bug population low. Damaged hulls turn black pretty quick, that is why I said to pick them from the tree instead of picking up dropped nuts. They would be black within 72 hours. That's true too. I would've pciked them off the tree if I had a ladder tall enough. My tincture is black, and turned that way within 48 hours. Sharon The dropped nuts all have black hulls. People were advertising Green black walnut tincture. The walnuts have to be picked for the tincture to have the green tint. They seemed to downrate a black tincture as not quite as potent. Brickey
Re: CSGold Generator Source for immune supression.
Christine Carleton wrote: When colloidal silver was given to experimental animals, it produced death due to pulmonary edema and congestion. Hemolysis and resulting bone marrow hyperplasia have been reported with silver. Chronic bronchitis has been reported from the medicinal use of colloidal silver.22 First the url given was wrong, the correct url for this article is at: http://naturalwellness.com/colloidal/index.html I don't believe this at all. With many of us drinking huge amounts of CS and giving it to our pets for years, how could they have gotten such a result? Reference 22 is: 22. J. Doull, et al. Casareti and Doull's Toxicology, The Basic Science of Poisons, Third Edition, 1986, p.625. Anyone have access to this reference who can see what it REALLY says. I'll bet it doesn't say what they claim it says at all. Marshall
Re: CSBlack Walnut Tincture
Your wrong, Sara; Dr. Clark allows several companies to use her name, Her main office is in San Diego, Calif. where her son operates a Dr. Clark Store and web site. She is also has a connection to Dr. Clark Assoc. on line store . Headquarters in Switzerland, and an office in ILL.. I worked for The Dr. Clark Assoc. for several years. If the sales people do not follow her Books word for word, in their products using her name, she will pull her endorsement. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. Sara Mandal-Joy wrote: Hulda Clark sells no products, none. The sites using her name have no connection with her at all. Joy I believe Hulda Clark sell the tincture. JOH -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGold Generator Source for immune supression.
That is such a commercial statement against Colloidal Silver ! Just follow the $ and you will see what they are trying to sell. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. Marshall Dudley wrote: Christine Carleton wrote: When colloidal silver was given to experimental animals, it produced death due to pulmonary edema and congestion. Hemolysis and resulting bone marrow hyperplasia have been reported with silver. Chronic bronchitis has been reported from the medicinal use of colloidal silver.22 First the url given was wrong, the correct url for this article is at: http://naturalwellness.com/colloidal/index.html I don't believe this at all. With many of us drinking huge amounts of CS and giving it to our pets for years, how could they have gotten such a result? Reference 22 is: 22. J. Doull, et al. Casareti and Doull's Toxicology, The Basic Science of Poisons, Third Edition, 1986, p.625. Anyone have access to this reference who can see what it REALLY says. I'll bet it doesn't say what they claim it says at all. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSGold Generator Immune system.
Here is a good website for information about colloidal gold: http://www.colloidalgold.com/refroom.htm Dudley http://profiles.yahoo.com/dudley_delany -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGold Generator Source for immune supression.
The date and title alone tell me this is not the definitive work it is put out to be. Still it would be interesting to see what his reference is and check out the original data, and the raw data if they had the ouevos to publish it. This is pure spin docotoring in my estimation. They type of tripe that Nina Whit aka Noel is so fond of posting. Check the archives folks, not one post that is useful or encouraging, always dour messages of doom and gloom. Seen the same behavior on other lists as well from this person who claims to be Nina Whit but oh so closely matches Noel's style and very prominent WEB TV address. Garnet On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 10:36, Marshall Dudley wrote: Christine Carleton wrote: When colloidal silver was given to experimental animals, it produced death due to pulmonary edema and congestion. Hemolysis and resulting bone marrow hyperplasia have been reported with silver. Chronic bronchitis has been reported from the medicinal use of colloidal silver.22 First the url given was wrong, the correct url for this article is at: http://naturalwellness.com/colloidal/index.html I don't believe this at all. With many of us drinking huge amounts of CS and giving it to our pets for years, how could they have gotten such a result? Reference 22 is: 22. J. Doull, et al. Casareti and Doull's Toxicology, The Basic Science of Poisons, Third Edition, 1986, p.625. Anyone have access to this reference who can see what it REALLY says. I'll bet it doesn't say what they claim it says at all. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSLED Array Address please!
Silver Listers, I've had to replace my Mac system and lost my bookmarks. Would some kind Lister let me have the site address for the Red LED Arrays ? recently shown by the list. The prices looked reasonable! Thanks, Douglas H -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLED Array Address please!
Here you go Doug. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. The array is a 660nm red array 36 LED and a 880nm infrared 36 LED. The red is rated at 2500mcd fo each LED. The infrared I'm not sure of. I did several 10-20min seesions with the red LEDs in each eye. Sometimes I closed my eyes , sometimes I kept them open. As I looked at the red LEDs the color seemed to change from red to yellow to green. Then finally when I finished the color seemed to be almost blue for a few minutres afterward. I assume this is because the rods and cones were overstimulated by the bright LEDs. I'm sure this would be considered radical and dangerous by many. After hearing about people sungazing with no ill effects I decided to try the LED array. The 880nm infrared array has been beneficail for my back injury with only 1 20min session. My wifes knee injury requied several 20min sessions to bring relief to her knee. My liver pain is about 10% of what it was as a result of several 20min sessions with the infrared. I bought the array from http://www.theledman.net/ Steve Douglas Haack wrote: Silver Listers, I've had to replace my Mac system and lost my bookmarks. Would some kind Lister let me have the site address for the Red LED Arrays ? recently shown by the list. The prices looked reasonable! Thanks, Douglas H -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSLyme Disease
Dear List Members, I'm looking for data that supports the use of CS for Lyme disease. If I recall correctly someone was collecting data on this. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks! Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLyme Disease
Dear Catherine, You can find a glowing CS Lyme disease testimonial by a man who wrote a book about his experience at http://www.silverbulletgold.com/about.htm All the best, Dudley http://profiles.yahoo.com/dudley_delany -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLyme Photos LYME CURE with SALT !
Hi everyone.I would like to hear some of you comment on the following website www.lymephotos.com they claim that they have eliminated lyme from their bodies by taking 1 gram of salt and 1 gram of vit C at the same time.12 times a day.and they have some pretty remarkable pictures on the website..waiting to hear from you.Robb = The High Power Magnetic Pulser http://www.angelfire.com/electronic2/magneticpulser/ Hi Gehna! A wonderful Lyme disease testimonial can be found at http://www.webspawner.com/users/colloidalminerals/index.html Check it out! All the best, Dudley http://profiles.yahoo.com/dudley_delany twllLL wrote: - Original Message - From: Robb Allen rube211...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 10:52 PM Subject: CSLyme Photos Hi everyone.I would like to hear some of you comment on the following website www.lymephotos.com they claim that they have eliminated lyme from their bodies by taking 1 gram of salt and 1 gram of vit C at the same time.12 times a day.and they have some pretty remarkable pictures on the website..waiting to hear from you.Robb = The High Power Magnetic Pulser http://www.angelfire.com/electronic2/magneticpulser/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLED Array Address please!
http://www.theledman.net/ - Original Message - From: Douglas Haack gvagraph...@adelphia.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 12:11 PM Subject: CSLED Array Address please! Silver Listers, I've had to replace my Mac system and lost my bookmarks. Would some kind Lister let me have the site address for the Red LED Arrays ? recently shown by the list. The prices looked reasonable! --- Hank's outgoing mail is certified as Virus Free as can be Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/04 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe:Re: CSGold Generator Source for immune supression.
It's time to end this all, and vote..I cast my vote for Garnet. -- On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 16:55, Nina Whit wrote: Garnet wrote that I give messages that is not usefull or dour messages of doom and gloom.I post what i think is pertinent and cogent to the issue. I also expressed what I *think* about the tone and nature of ALL of your posts on this and other lists. Me thinks thou does protest too much, since I am only doing what you claim to be doing. Garnet states that I am another person because i have a similar web address, it appears she will continue in her invincible ignorance stating opinions ,not facts. The facts are there, I drew the conclusion. You are free to disagree, but can you prove your identity? This would cut to the chase and end the identity issue. Instead of giving usefull information, Garnet seems to give personal attacks on people or posts she does not agree with.. Search the archives for my posts. I either attack people or I don't, there is no seems to about it. They are either useful or they are not. I do believe most here would perceive my posts as useful and not as attacking people. I will attack ideas, and there is nothing wrong with that, I am trained to call bull hockey when I perceive it. My mentors would be ashamed of their student if I did not. Here is an axiom of logic that states; The burden of proof is on the one stating a proposition, not the one defending it So prove your statement about toxic effects of Gold. You can't because there are none demonstrated, documented or published. The Physician's desk reference states this concerning Gold. Gold is taken up by macrophages with resultant inhibition of phagocytosis and inhibition of activities of lysosomal enzymes In simple terms this is immune suppression. It further states that adverse reactions due to gold therapy may occur at anytime during treatment or many months after therapy has been discontinued. Adverse reactions categories listed are:cutaneous,dermatitis stomatitis,= pulmonary injury,= and renal problems any competent Rheumatologist can tell you the adverse affects of Gold therapy.The PDR is not doom and Gloom, it is written by PharmD,Mds,DSc and several other tMDs As far as silver is concerned,Silver protein can result in argyria, not colloidal silver. Just checked the 10th Edition of Goodman and Gilman's Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics, the standard reference on pharmacology in this country and around the world, just to be sure. The only Gold that has shown the above effects are gold compounds, not colloidal or elemental gold as you stated. There is no mention of gold that is not a gold compound which have a vastly different chemistry in the body than elemental gold which is regularly ingested as a food product around the world, as well as consumed therapeutically. There are no reports of toxicity that I can find. Perhaps you would like to provide them since you feel that the burden of proof is on the one stating a proposition. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CScomputer virii and worms
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Re: CSGold Generator Source for immune supression.
Garnet wrote that I give messages that is not usefull or dour messages of doom and gloom.I post what i think is pertinent and cogent to the issue. Garnet states that I am another person because i have a similar web address, it appears she will continue in her invincible ignorance stating opinions ,not facts.Instead of giving usefull information, Garnet seems to give personal attacks on people or posts she does not agree with.. Here is an axiom of logic that states; The burden of proof is on the one stating a proposition, not the one defending it The Physician's desk reference states this concerning Gold. Gold is taken up by macrophages with resultant inhibition of phagocytosis and inhibition of activities of lysosomal enzymes In simple terms this is immune suppression. It further states that adverse reactions due to gold therapy may occur at anytime during treatment or many months after therapy has been discontinued. Adverse reactions categories listed are:cutaneous,dermatitis stomatitis,= pulmonary injury,= and renal problems any competent Rheumatologist can tell you the adverse affects of Gold therapy.The PDR is not doom and Gloom, it is written by PharmD,Mds,DSc and several other tMDs As far as silver is concerned,Silver protein can result in argyria, not colloidal silver. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSGold Generator Source for immune supression.
The only death I am aware of due to deliberate administration of Ag was two large dogs who were shot up IV with a gram each of powdered silver. Yes, they died. Let's see the papers cited by the author. I glanced at that link's paper. When I found the part about no diffusion through menbranes, I quit. Colloidal silver kills Lyme and Malaria; both intracellular organisms. It kills Herpes, an organism that hides within the nuclear membrane. I went no further.The tone of the article led me to believe there was a commercial intent. I can smell it a mile away. I'll bet it is silver salts or compounds that is mentioned in the details, not pure metallic silver. If it is pure silver, it is probably massive industrial overdose from breathing the dust. A quick search for the title brought up this: [The spelling errors are in the origiinal] Casarett and Doull's Toxicology: The Basic Science of Poisons (Book) Written by: Louis J. CasarettMary O. AmdurCurtis D. KlaassenJohn Doull Publisher: McGraw-Hill Release Date: 15 January, 1996 Customer reviews: errors in the book That is a good book for the beginner of toxicologist. However, many existed errors may mislead and confuse the beginners. So I recommend that we'd wait for next edition. Many errors That is a really good book for the beginer of toxicologist. However, there are many errors existed and those errors could mislead and confuse the beginer. I think that we'd better wait for next editions. Customer reviews: errors in the book That is a good book for the beginner of toxicologist. However, many existed errors may mislead and confuse the beginners. So I recommend that we'd wait for next edition. Many errors That is a really good book for the beginer of toxicologist. However, there are many errors existed and those errors could mislead and confuse the beginer. I think that we'd better wait for next editions. JOH -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 9:36 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSGold Generator Source for immune supression. Christine Carleton wrote: When colloidal silver was given to experimental animals, it produced death due to pulmonary edema and congestion. Hemolysis and resulting bone marrow hyperplasia have been reported with silver. Chronic bronchitis has been reported from the medicinal use of colloidal silver.22 First the url given was wrong, the correct url for this article is at: http://naturalwellness.com/colloidal/index.html I don't believe this at all. With many of us drinking huge amounts of CS and giving it to our pets for years, how could they have gotten such a result? Reference 22 is: 22. J. Doull, et al. Casareti and Doull's Toxicology, The Basic Science of Poisons, Third Edition, 1986, p.625. Anyone have access to this reference who can see what it REALLY says. I'll bet it doesn't say what they claim it says at all. Marshall
RE: CSGold Generator Immune system.
Semi-hard is better than none at all. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 7:46 AM To: Silver List Subject: RE: CSGold Generator Immune system. There are no hard facts on colloidal gold, only gold salts. Garnet On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 12:59, Jim Holmes wrote: Let's see a facts duel guys. Post those links! JOH -Original Message- From: Nina Whit [mailto:ninaw...@webtv.net] Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:00 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSGold Generator Immune system. Garnet wrote that gold enhances the immune system, not true. At www.naturalwellness.com.colloidal ,it states:GOLD = Dermatitis and stomatitis are the most frequently reported sitde effects of gold The oral use of gold has resulted ina type of kidney dirsease...it is believed that the gold forms a gold/protein complex that becomes deposited in the kidney tisues. It is known to cause bone marow toxicity... GOLD IS KNOWN TO CAURSE IMMUNE SYSTEM SUPRERSSION.' ..23 Again my name is not noel, its Nina, Please get your facts correct. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSBlack Walnut Tincture
Thank you, I did not know that. -Original Message- From: Sara Mandal-Joy [mailto:sara...@mobil1.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 9:04 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBlack Walnut Tincture Hulda Clark sells no products, none. The sites using her name have no connection with her at all. Joy I believe Hulda Clark sell the tincture. JOH
RE: CSGold Generator Source for immune supression.
Excellent analysis. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 11:10 AM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CSGold Generator Source for immune supression. The date and title alone tell me this is not the definitive work it is put out to be. Still it would be interesting to see what his reference is and check out the original data, and the raw data if they had the ouevos to publish it. This is pure spin docotoring in my estimation. They type of tripe that Nina Whit aka Noel is so fond of posting. Check the archives folks, not one post that is useful or encouraging, always dour messages of doom and gloom. Seen the same behavior on other lists as well from this person who claims to be Nina Whit but oh so closely matches Noel's style and very prominent WEB TV address. Garnet On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 10:36, Marshall Dudley wrote: Christine Carleton wrote: When colloidal silver was given to experimental animals, it produced death due to pulmonary edema and congestion. Hemolysis and resulting bone marrow hyperplasia have been reported with silver. Chronic bronchitis has been reported from the medicinal use of colloidal silver.22 First the url given was wrong, the correct url for this article is at: http://naturalwellness.com/colloidal/index.html I don't believe this at all. With many of us drinking huge amounts of CS and giving it to our pets for years, how could they have gotten such a result? Reference 22 is: 22. J. Doull, et al. Casareti and Doull's Toxicology, The Basic Science of Poisons, Third Edition, 1986, p.625. Anyone have access to this reference who can see what it REALLY says. I'll bet it doesn't say what they claim it says at all. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSBlack Walnut Tincture
Thank you for re-correcting me. JOH -Original Message- From: Tel Tofflemire [mailto:telt...@cableone.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 9:58 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBlack Walnut Tincture Your wrong, Sara; Dr. Clark allows several companies to use her name, Her main office is in San Diego, Calif. where her son operates a Dr. Clark Store and web site. She is also has a connection to Dr. Clark Assoc. on line store . Headquarters in Switzerland, and an office in ILL.. I worked for The Dr. Clark Assoc. for several years. If the sales people do not follow her Books word for word, in their products using her name, she will pull her endorsement. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. Sara Mandal-Joy wrote: Hulda Clark sells no products, none. The sites using her name have no connection with her at all. Joy I believe Hulda Clark sell the tincture. JOH -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBlack Walnut Tincture
No, she is not directly connected with any of them. this is of vital importance to stand corrected. She does allow them to use her name as long as they do only put out correct info and appropriate products, but she is not directly connected to any of them, and does not herself sell ANY products. You have to understand how important this is. It allows her to continue her research without being arrested or attacked or stopped by various organizations. There seems to be a concerted effort to try to present her as selling products and making money off of them - she DOES NOT. Joy Your wrong, Sara; -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGold Generator Source for immune supression.
On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 16:55, Nina Whit wrote: Garnet wrote that I give messages that is not usefull or dour messages of doom and gloom.I post what i think is pertinent and cogent to the issue. I also expressed what I *think* about the tone and nature of ALL of your posts on this and other lists. Me thinks thou does protest too much, since I am only doing what you claim to be doing. Garnet states that I am another person because i have a similar web address, it appears she will continue in her invincible ignorance stating opinions ,not facts. The facts are there, I drew the conclusion. You are free to disagree, but can you prove your identity? This would cut to the chase and end the identity issue. Instead of giving usefull information, Garnet seems to give personal attacks on people or posts she does not agree with.. Search the archives for my posts. I either attack people or I don't, there is no seems to about it. They are either useful or they are not. I do believe most here would perceive my posts as useful and not as attacking people. I will attack ideas, and there is nothing wrong with that, I am trained to call bull hockey when I perceive it. My mentors would be ashamed of their student if I did not. Here is an axiom of logic that states; The burden of proof is on the one stating a proposition, not the one defending it So prove your statement about toxic effects of Gold. You can't because there are none demonstrated, documented or published. The Physician's desk reference states this concerning Gold. Gold is taken up by macrophages with resultant inhibition of phagocytosis and inhibition of activities of lysosomal enzymes In simple terms this is immune suppression. It further states that adverse reactions due to gold therapy may occur at anytime during treatment or many months after therapy has been discontinued. Adverse reactions categories listed are:cutaneous,dermatitis stomatitis,= pulmonary injury,= and renal problems any competent Rheumatologist can tell you the adverse affects of Gold therapy.The PDR is not doom and Gloom, it is written by PharmD,Mds,DSc and several other tMDs As far as silver is concerned,Silver protein can result in argyria, not colloidal silver. Just checked the 10th Edition of Goodman and Gilman's Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics, the standard reference on pharmacology in this country and around the world, just to be sure. The only Gold that has shown the above effects are gold compounds, not colloidal or elemental gold as you stated. There is no mention of gold that is not a gold compound which have a vastly different chemistry in the body than elemental gold which is regularly ingested as a food product around the world, as well as consumed therapeutically. There are no reports of toxicity that I can find. Perhaps you would like to provide them since you feel that the burden of proof is on the one stating a proposition. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScomputer virii and worms
Bet you're running anti virus software now, huh? If not, or need a GOOD FREE one that auto magically updates, I Use http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_index.php The free edition is at http://free.grisoft.com/freeweb.php/doc/2/ In addition, a firewall will keep hackers away. Zone Alarm is one of the best. A free version is at http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/products/trial_zaFamily/trial_zaFamily.jsp?lid=2home_freedownloads A text-based newsreader is a lot safer than a web browser. HTML is for the clueless... I use Agent, it's the best. A free version (Freeagent)is available at http://www.forteinc.com/agent/support.php That's pretty much all you need besides common sense. Remember, safe hex!!! Chuck BTW, your messed up drive couldn't be reformatted? That's the usual fix. Two cannibals are eating a clown. One says to the other: Does this taste funny to you? On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:51:17 -0700 (PDT), Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com wrote: Recently I passed by my computer monitor. The screen was blue and it said rewriting line so and so and then another and another, etc. After this, the poor thing was so messed up no amount of restoring the system did much good. So we wound up with a new hard drive, a lighter wallet, and no saved messages or favorites. I suppose it was a worm or virus of some sort. I don't think the lines of code (I presume it was code--only thing I know of that goes with 'lines of') would be rewritten otherwise. I am continuing to get attachments with emails that I report to yahoo as spam and of course don't open. Most of them say 41, but sometimes 40, as the size. I get 5 or 6 such messages a day sometimes. So I guess we are under assault here. I will try to get my son to use Firefox or Opera or something else as the Big M has so many holes I also doubt they can ever fix it. Too, too bad. Can it be possible that the 'powers that be' don't even want us to have internet access?! ? Nothing would really surprise me as I have read a lot of history books.pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSGold Generator Immune system.
I value anecdotal information greatly, if that is what you mean by semi-hard. But it is not hard science and should not be so construed. However a person can serve as their own control, before and after type studies are scientific and often published in peer reviewed journals, particularly where conditions do not lend themselves to a double blind study. Again Goodman and Gilman references gold compounds not elemental gold. Garnet On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 17:12, Jim Holmes wrote: Semi-hard is better than none at all. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 7:46 AM To: Silver List Subject: RE: CSGold Generator Immune system. There are no hard facts on colloidal gold, only gold salts. Garnet On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 12:59, Jim Holmes wrote: Let's see a facts duel guys. Post those links! JOH -Original Message- From: Nina Whit [mailto:ninaw...@webtv.net] Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:00 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSGold Generator Immune system. Garnet wrote that gold enhances the immune system, not true. At www.naturalwellness.com.colloidal ,it states:GOLD = Dermatitis and stomatitis are the most frequently reported sitde effects of gold The oral use of gold has resulted ina type of kidney dirsease...it is believed that the gold forms a gold/protein complex that becomes deposited in the kidney tisues. It is known to cause bone marow toxicity... GOLD IS KNOWN TO CAURSE IMMUNE SYSTEM SUPRERSSION.' ..23 Again my name is not noel, its Nina, Please get your facts correct. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe:Re: CSGold Generator Source for immune supression.
I, too, cast my vote for Garnet! Dudley http://profiles.yahoo.com/dudley_delany -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBlack Walnut Tincture
Er, Roger, I wrote picking, not pickling. I don't have a recipe for pickling them Sorry! Sharon The recipe for the tincture is in Dr. Clark's book BTW. Sharon, would you consider posting your recipe for pickling walnuts? I've got several trees on my property and find the nuts very hard to get into. Pickling them sounds like a good idea :-) Cheers, Roger Rotorua, New Zealand http://lbarker.orcon.net.nz/index1.html on 11/8/2004 3:35 AM, Sharon at tala...@teleport.com wrote: Also it is hellaciously difficlult to get the hulls off of green picked nuts, and you will bruise the hulls doing it thus damaging them and they will then turn black. I have been picking walnuts all my life, I grew up on a tree farm. Brickey is right that balck walnut hulls stain really badly. If you want to dye with it it does not require a mordant. Use an Iron pot to boil it in and you will get a reasonably black dye.
Re: CSBlack Walnut Tincture
Sharon, would you consider posting your recipe for pickling walnuts? I've got several trees on my property and find the nuts very hard to get into. Pickling them sounds like a good idea :-) Cheers, Roger Rotorua, New Zealand http://lbarker.orcon.net.nz/index1.html on 11/8/2004 3:35 AM, Sharon at tala...@teleport.com wrote: Also it is hellaciously difficlult to get the hulls off of green picked nuts, and you will bruise the hulls doing it thus damaging them and they will then turn black. I have been picking walnuts all my life, I grew up on a tree farm. Brickey is right that balck walnut hulls stain really badly. If you want to dye with it it does not require a mordant. Use an Iron pot to boil it in and you will get a reasonably black dye.
Re: CSvirus reaction
At 10:57 PM 10/08/04, you wrote: I tried to send several emails to the sender's address. They were all different, and they all bounced. It is true a worm could fake an address, but in order to create the most havoc, they generally leave the address valid so people would blame an innocent person. On the other hand, a malicious sender would definitely fake his return address to avoid detection. And how would a worm know that Jonathan was interested in Flax Oil? Well folks, The catch is that we hummin beans cover the full spectrum from Angels to Devils. Consider the mind that destroys a Public Utility, like a phone box, or plants used needles in a public school sandbox, or deliberately sends out a virus that will destroy peoples computers. Then the guys who develop things like Mozilla, Linux, Eudora, PHP, PGP and let anyone have them free. Or run things like this List The really sick ones spend all their time when not at the Welfare Office or their Janitorial job, planning how to get more victims. What makes it easy and worthwhile to target an individual is the fact that they only have to get *one* person's machine and the rest is automatic. They simply rely on the laziness/ineptitude of the bulk of the people to get away with it. E.G. Now that we have given out all this information on this list - of course EVERYBODY will now be responsible and protect each other, won't they??? BTW: I'm happy to answer any questions from people inexperienced in the Cyberbog to help them condomise their PC. on the O.T. List. Or , just go to here: http://fablor.com/safetynet/ Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBlack Walnut Tincture
Sorry Sharon, that will teach me to read more carefully. However it had got me thinking so maybe it's time to do a web search for a good recipe. Cheers, Roger http://lbarker.orcon.net.nz/index1.html on 11/8/2004 1:30 PM, Sharon at tala...@teleport.com wrote: Er, Roger, I wrote picking, not pickling. I don't have a recipe for pickling them Sorry! Sharon The recipe for the tincture is in Dr. Clark's book BTW. Sharon, would you consider posting your recipe for pickling walnuts? I've got several trees on my property and find the nuts very hard to get into. Pickling them sounds like a good idea :-) Cheers, Roger Rotorua, New Zealand http://lbarker.orcon.net.nz/index1.html on 11/8/2004 3:35 AM, Sharon at tala...@teleport.com wrote: Also it is hellaciously difficlult to get the hulls off of green picked nuts, and you will bruise the hulls doing it thus damaging them and they will then turn black. I have been picking walnuts all my life, I grew up on a tree farm. Brickey is right that balck walnut hulls stain really badly. If you want to dye with it it does not require a mordant. Use an Iron pot to boil it in and you will get a reasonably black dye.
Re: CSvirus reaction
Last Apple class I attended about 50% of were former PC people who were tired of the worm, virus, crash events and expenses of the PC world. Oh well... Christine From: Mike Monett 5ay1wk...@sneakemail.com Re: CSvirus reaction From: David Bearrow Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 05:17:50 I don't think it is a diabolical person who is on the list that is attacking the list maliciously. Most of the bad emails have been infected with various worms. These worms were cleverly written to not only harvest email addresses from its victim but it also harvests the emails themselves and creates emails based on content it finds in the email it harvests. Occams razor tells me that likely one or more people on our list have been infected with one of the new cleverly written worms. Dave Good point, Dave. It could be a worm. You'd think if it was a worm, more people on the list would get these emails. But they only seem to affect one or two people at a time. I tried to send several emails to the sender's address. They were all different, and they all bounced. It is true a worm could fake an address, but in order to create the most havoc, they generally leave the address valid so people would blame an innocent person. On the other hand, a malicious sender would definitely fake his return address to avoid detection. And how would a worm know that Jonathan was interested in Flax Oil? The last time this phrase occurs in the subject line is Jonathan's post titled CSEPA/DHA (Fish Oil, Flax Oil) on 8 Oct 2001: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m40762.html A worm would not search the list archives and locate a phrase that would be of interest to Jonathan. Also, he received his virus recently. So it's hard to tell for sure, but I tend to lean towards an individual as the source of these messages. But, as in everything associated with the internet, always practice save hex:) Turn off javascript, and disable html. All of these help a virus writer gain access to your computer. Although there are many methods available that don't need any user action to load a virus. The safest is to follow the recommendations of many groups, and don't use Microsoft products on the internet. They will never fix all the holes in their products. Use Firefox instead of MS Explorer, and any of the numerous email clients instead of Outlook. And be very careful of attachments. Perhaps someone knows of a scanner that can check email attachments for executables and delete them. But I don't have to worry - they won't even run on my system:) Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGold Generator Source for immune supression.
Marshall, Just to be clear I was quoting from the site (Nina Whit) ninaw...@webtv.net had provided as the source of her condemnation of CS. My end comments were: Is there a conflict of interest? Patents? Money? Could it be self serving? I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THEIR INFO IS BUNK. I quoted them in full to not misrepresent them and bring transparency to their 'line' of misinformation. Christine From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com First the url given was wrong, the correct url for this article is at: http://naturalwellness.com/colloidal/index.html I don't believe this at all. With many of us drinking huge amounts of CS and giving it to our pets for years, how could they have gotten such a result? Reference 22 is: 22. J. Doull, et al. Casareti and Doull's Toxicology, The Basic Science of Poisons, Third Edition, 1986, p.625. Anyone have access to this reference who can see what it REALLY says. I'll bet it doesn't say what they claim it says at all. Marshall
Re: CSGold Generator Source for immune supression.
What I printed was in QUOTES - I identified it was someone else's opinion My opinion was at the end with questions of the 'proof' that was being requested about CG. My message was 'Is there a conflict of interest? Patents? Money? Could it be self serving?' I thought follow the money was transparent and implicit. By the way, where has Nina disappeared to with all this controversy? That say's something too. Christine From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@cableone.net That is such a commercial statement against Colloidal Silver ! Just follow the $ and you will see what they are trying to sell. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. Marshall Dudley wrote: Christine Carleton QUOTED IN QUOTES FROM SOURCE SUPPLIED BY NINA AND QUESTIONED THE CREDIBILITY OF THE SOURCE When colloidal silver was given to experimental animals, it produced death due to pulmonary edema and congestion. Hemolysis and resulting bone marrow hyperplasia have been reported with silver. Chronic bronchitis has been reported from the medicinal use of colloidal silver.22 First the url given was wrong, the correct url for this article is at: http://naturalwellness.com/colloidal/index.html I don't believe this at all. With many of us drinking huge amounts of CS and giving it to our pets for years, how could they have gotten such a result? Reference 22 is: 22. J. Doull, et al. Casareti and Doull's Toxicology, The Basic Science of Poisons, Third Edition, 1986, p.625. Anyone have access to this reference who can see what it REALLY says. I'll bet it doesn't say what they claim it says at all. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSvirus reaction
Aha! Maybe the Apple company is spreading these viruses so they will sell more Macs? :) Jean Baugh * Last Apple class I attended about 50% of were former PC people who were tired of the worm, virus, crash events and expenses of the PC world. Oh well... Christine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGold Generator Source for immune supression.
From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:49:23 -0500 To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSGold Generator Source for immune supression. Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 06:57:25 -0700 This site asserts that silver is not naturally ocurring in the body yet the standard lab reference The Elements by John Elmsley, Science Writer in Residence at Cambridge University lists naturally ocurring amounts in the whole body and in various tissues. Hmmm . . . Garnet On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 15:00, Christine Carleton wrote: Opphs, found it at: http://naturalwellness.com/index.htm Interesting source: ...The next few paragraphs on colloidal minerals were written by Albion's Max Motyka. ...Definition of Colloidal Minerals For years, Albion has been dedicated to research regarding minerals. In addition, Albion holds over 60 international patents in the process of mineral chelation. 'Silver: Silver does not occur regularly in animal or human tissue... The major effect of excessive absorption of silver is generalized impregnation of the tissues where it forms an insoluble complex. .It accumulates in the spleen, liver, bone marrow, lungs, muscles and skin. Lesions of the kidney and lungs, as well as arteriosclerosis have been attributed to industrial and medicinal silver exposure. When colloidal silver was given to experimental animals, it produced death due to pulmonary edema and congestion. Hemolysis and resulting bone marrow hyperplasia have been reported with silver. Chronic bronchitis has been reported from the medicinal use of colloidal silver.22 Gold: Dermatitis and stomatitis are the most frequently reported side effects of gold. The oral use of gold has resulted in...a type of kidney disease...It is believed that the gold forms a gold/protein complex that becomes deposited in the kidney tissues. It is known to cause bone marrow toxin.. Gold is known to cause immune system suppression. .23 22. J. Doull, et al. Casareti and Doull's Toxicology, The Basic Science of Poisons, Third Edition, 1986, p.625. 23. Ibid Is there a conflict of interest? Patents? Money? Could it be self serving? From: Christine Carleton essential-liv...@telus.net Google says: Your search - www.natural wellness.com/colloidal/ - did not match any documents. ??? From: ninaw...@webtv.net (Nina Whit) Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:03:24 -0700 www.natural wellness.com/colloidal/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGold Generator Source for immune supression.
I agree. It's transparent. From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net Excellent analysis. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 11:10 AM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CSGold Generator Source for immune supression. The date and title alone tell me this is not the definitive work it is put out to be. Still it would be interesting to see what his reference is and check out the original data, and the raw data if they had the ouevos to publish it. This is pure spin docotoring in my estimation. They type of tripe that Nina Whit aka Noel is so fond of posting. Check the archives folks, not one post that is useful or encouraging, always dour messages of doom and gloom. Seen the same behavior on other lists as well from this person who claims to be Nina Whit but oh so closely matches Noel's style and very prominent WEB TV address. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGold Generator Source for immune supression.
Thank you Garnet for respecting the source, the ... and quotation marks. As I was stating something that legally could be 'attacked' by a large pharmaceutical I was not going to inject my opinion, or change a common or period and used quotes to not misrepresent them in any way. In my opinion their opinion was transparent and that's why I questioned it at the end --- after the quotes. I do not want something that was misread and taken out of context which is in conflict which what I believe attributed to me then circulated on the net as something I said or I believe in. Christine. From: Garnet garnetri...@earthlink.net This site asserts that silver is not naturally ocurring in the body yet the standard lab reference The Elements by John Elmsley, Science Writer in Residence at Cambridge University lists naturally ocurring amounts in the whole body and in various tissues. Hmmm . . . Garnet On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 15:00, Christine Carleton wrote: Opphs, found it at: http://naturalwellness.com/index.htm Interesting source: ...The next few paragraphs on colloidal minerals were written by Albion's Max Motyka. ...Definition of Colloidal Minerals For years, Albion has been dedicated to research regarding minerals. In addition, Albion holds over 60 international patents in the process of mineral chelation. 'Silver: Silver does not occur regularly in animal or human tissue... The major effect of excessive absorption of silver is generalized impregnation of the tissues where it forms an insoluble complex. .It accumulates in the spleen, liver, bone marrow, lungs, muscles and skin. Lesions of the kidney and lungs, as well as arteriosclerosis have been attributed to industrial and medicinal silver exposure. When colloidal silver was given to experimental animals, it produced death due to pulmonary edema and congestion. Hemolysis and resulting bone marrow hyperplasia have been reported with silver. Chronic bronchitis has been reported from the medicinal use of colloidal silver.22 Gold: Dermatitis and stomatitis are the most frequently reported side effects of gold. The oral use of gold has resulted in...a type of kidney disease...It is believed that the gold forms a gold/protein complex that becomes deposited in the kidney tissues. It is known to cause bone marrow toxin.. Gold is known to cause immune system suppression. .23 22. J. Doull, et al. Casareti and Doull's Toxicology, The Basic Science of Poisons, Third Edition, 1986, p.625. 23. Ibid Is there a conflict of interest? Patents? Money? Could it be self serving? From: Christine Carleton essential-liv...@telus.net Google says: Your search - www.natural wellness.com/colloidal/ - did not match any documents. ??? From: ninaw...@webtv.net (Nina Whit) Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:03:24 -0700 www.natural wellness.com/colloidal/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSvirus reaction
David, Perhaps you are right. If so, the spam software is very sophisticated and mimics a human awareness of the recipient's interests. JBB On Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004, at 21:13 Asia/Tokyo, David Bearrow wrote: I don't think it is a diabolical person who is on the list that is attacking the list maliciously. Most of the bad emails have been infected with various worms. These worms were cleverly written to not only harvest email addresses from its victim but it also harvests the emails themselves and creates emails based on content it finds in the email it harvests. Occams razor tells me that likely one or more people on our list have been infected with one of the new cleverly written worms. Dave At 11:53 PM 8/9/04, you wrote: Baffling that someone using the list would be motivated to tailor-make infected messages, as several of us have evidently received. I am glad to hear, though, that my observations seem to correspond to the reality. One doesn't want to find oneself becoming unduly paranoid, though a bit of paranoia may have some survival value these days. . . JBB On Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004, at 13:07 Asia/Tokyo, Mike Monett wrote: Hi Jonathan, I have also received many emails with virus attachments from this list, with subject lines that indicate the sender knows me from information gained by reading the list. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSGold Generator Source for immune supression.
Hard-on data. I love it. Interesting that the same ..discuss a Collidal Metal and present data for metal salts... scam that the FDA, primiarly Dr. Fung, has been presenting for silver is also used to discredit gold. Gold in some form was used in the (?) late 1800s and early 1900s(?) for the treatment of syphillis. Some of the remarkable benificial properties and effects of M state monatomic gold are well documented. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 6:29 PM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CSGold Generator Source for immune supression. On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 16:55, Nina Whit wrote: Garnet wrote that I give messages that is not usefull or dour messages of doom and gloom.I post what i think is pertinent and cogent to the issue. I also expressed what I *think* about the tone and nature of ALL of your posts on this and other lists. Me thinks thou does protest too much, since I am only doing what you claim to be doing. Just checked the 10th Edition of Goodman and Gilman's Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics, the standard reference on pharmacology in this country and around the world, just to be sure. The only Gold that has shown the above effects are gold compounds, not colloidal or elemental gold as you stated. There is no mention of gold that is not a gold compound which have a vastly different chemistry in the body than elemental gold which is regularly ingested as a food product around the world, as well as consumed therapeutically. There are no reports of toxicity that I can find. Perhaps you would like to provide them since you feel that the burden of proof is on the one stating a proposition. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSGold Generator Immune system.
A mentor of mine says that the scientific method can be akin to grabbing nature by the throat and demanding an answer. -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 6:41 PM To: Silver List Subject: RE: CSGold Generator Immune system. I value anecdotal information greatly, if that is what you mean by semi-hard. But it is not hard science and should not be so construed. However a person can serve as their own control, before and after type studies are scientific and often published in peer reviewed journals, particularly where conditions do not lend themselves to a double blind study. Again Goodman and Gilman references gold compounds not elemental gold. Garnet On Tue, 2004-08-10 at 17:12, Jim Holmes wrote: Semi-hard is better than none at all. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 7:46 AM To: Silver List Subject: RE: CSGold Generator Immune system. There are no hard facts on colloidal gold, only gold salts. Garnet On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 12:59, Jim Holmes wrote: Let's see a facts duel guys. Post those links! JOH -Original Message- From: Nina Whit [mailto:ninaw...@webtv.net] Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:00 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSGold Generator Immune system. Garnet wrote that gold enhances the immune system, not true. At www.naturalwellness.com.colloidal ,it states:GOLD = Dermatitis and stomatitis are the most frequently reported sitde effects of gold The oral use of gold has resulted ina type of kidney dirsease...it is believed that the gold forms a gold/protein complex that becomes deposited in the kidney tisues. It is known to cause bone marow toxicity... GOLD IS KNOWN TO CAURSE IMMUNE SYSTEM SUPRERSSION.' ..23 Again my name is not noel, its Nina, Please get your facts correct. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSvirus reaction
If so, as the Universe brings balance, thus you would expect to see the iPod be the disaster of the century, and the stocks collapsing for their underhanded 'poker playing' in the computer world. It's not happening. Thus on the other hand, one may question why there are so many viruses? Perhaps there has been some manipulation of 'folks'. As one CEO of a major US car manufacturer said (sorry forgot the co.) if they produced cars that had to be renewed every year, and the last program/car was out dated the consumer public would rebel. Alas, I'm just glad we have computers, and the internet to share valuable information that was previously inaccessible to us and the domain of wealthy individuals, corporations or governments. Christine http://chris.fxtrainer.biz From: oldgl...@bigcountry.net oldgl...@bigcountry.net Aha! Maybe the Apple company is spreading these viruses so they will sell more Macs? :) Jean Baugh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLED Array Address please!
SOMETIMES knee pain is related to the kidney and bladder meridians 'screaming' evening causing one to limp. If so, it's the body's way of slowing down the 'human vehicle' because there is concern by the divine body about stress within the heart. You might want to check to make sure the 'ticker' is working optimally. Classical Chinese acupuncture which treats the heart and allows the knee pain to prevail while the 'repairs' of the heart pump take place. When the pulses are stronger, the knees are addressed. In allopathic medicine we do surgery, which http://www.mercola.com/2002/nov/23/needless_surgeries.htm indicated knee surgery is a 3 billion dollar scam in the US. Curious how often people then have heart problems show up about a year later. Oh well, it's whatever system we choose to buy... Cleansing, which we can all do is 'cheap'. Christine From: twllLL twl...@direcway.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:58:32 -0400 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSLED Array Address please! Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:58:36 -0700 Try a liver flush for your liver pain - Original Message - From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@cableone.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 1:20 PM Subject: Re: CSLED Array Address please! Here you go Doug. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. The array is a 660nm red array 36 LED and a 880nm infrared 36 LED. The red is rated at 2500mcd fo each LED. The infrared I'm not sure of. I did several 10-20min seesions with the red LEDs in each eye. Sometimes I closed my eyes , sometimes I kept them open. As I looked at the red LEDs the color seemed to change from red to yellow to green. Then finally when I finished the color seemed to be almost blue for a few minutres afterward. I assume this is because the rods and cones were overstimulated by the bright LEDs. I'm sure this would be considered radical and dangerous by many. After hearing about people sungazing with no ill effects I decided to try the LED array. The 880nm infrared array has been beneficail for my back injury with only 1 20min session. My wifes knee injury requied several 20min sessions to bring relief to her knee. My liver pain is about 10% of what it was as a result of several 20min sessions with the infrared. I bought the array from http://www.theledman.net/ Steve Douglas Haack wrote: Silver Listers, I've had to replace my Mac system and lost my bookmarks. Would some kind Lister let me have the site address for the Red LED Arrays ? recently shown by the list. The prices looked reasonable! Thanks, Douglas H -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLED Array Address please!
Try a liver flush for your liver pain - Original Message - From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@cableone.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 1:20 PM Subject: Re: CSLED Array Address please! Here you go Doug. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. The array is a 660nm red array 36 LED and a 880nm infrared 36 LED. The red is rated at 2500mcd fo each LED. The infrared I'm not sure of. I did several 10-20min seesions with the red LEDs in each eye. Sometimes I closed my eyes , sometimes I kept them open. As I looked at the red LEDs the color seemed to change from red to yellow to green. Then finally when I finished the color seemed to be almost blue for a few minutres afterward. I assume this is because the rods and cones were overstimulated by the bright LEDs. I'm sure this would be considered radical and dangerous by many. After hearing about people sungazing with no ill effects I decided to try the LED array. The 880nm infrared array has been beneficail for my back injury with only 1 20min session. My wifes knee injury requied several 20min sessions to bring relief to her knee. My liver pain is about 10% of what it was as a result of several 20min sessions with the infrared. I bought the array from http://www.theledman.net/ Steve Douglas Haack wrote: Silver Listers, I've had to replace my Mac system and lost my bookmarks. Would some kind Lister let me have the site address for the Red LED Arrays ? recently shown by the list. The prices looked reasonable! Thanks, Douglas H -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
