Re: CS>Open Letter to Silver-List :Comment

2005-03-07 Thread cking001
Oh, Brooks,
I must take exception!

We accolade Mike 'till he blushes...

Chuck

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On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:34:57 -0500, Brooks Bradley
 wrote:

> In no way do I fault Mike for not "brute-forcing"  interventions at the 
> drop-of-the-hathe has served us all faithfully, respectfully, and 
> unselfishlyand mostly without deserved accolades.



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Re: CS>re(2): CS>PHN

2005-03-07 Thread nancymike
I beg to differ with you.  The problem with CS is that it is VERY  slow, and
most people do not have the patience to see it thru.  Also, the CS must make
contact with the virus. BUT it is agreed by all that CS kills over 650
virsus and bacteria.  That number seems to cover them all.  I believe I read
somewhere that there is one virus it does not kill.  One is certainly not
many.
Anytime you use natural cures it is slower and no one wants to wait
There were times when I thught the CS had stopped wring on my MS, but then
in a few weeks, something more began to improve.  It takes patience to get
well with CS, but it certainly worth the wait.
Nancy
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To: 
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: CS>re(2): CS>PHN


> Hi Nancymike:
> While CS has greatly benefited, you, husband and many others, please
> keep in mind some aren't helped. Everyone has a different body
> chemistry, what works for some may not work for another. When Vitamin C
> was heavily promoted as a cure for a cold and flu, it worked for some
> but not all. No one seems to know if CS is effective against a viral
> epidemic. During the 1914-1918 era, millions died from an epidemic
> researchers still know little about.  Healthy young men went to work but
> collapsed and dead by noon.
>
>  According to a Professor of Neurology at Columbia University, there's
> thousands of viruses out there seperated into eight categories. If there
> was only one virus, they couldn't be categorized. It's the viruses that
> are maiming, disabling and killing us right and left but no research on
> viruses except Aids and Hepatitis.  Millions donated to cancer research
> through the years but on the increase as never before. Contact your
> representatives and ask for research on viruses. The root cause of many
> illnesses.
>
> V.Jean.G.
>
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CS>Open Letter to Silver-List :Comment

2005-03-07 Thread Brooks Bradley
  It is a sad commentary on the general state of affairs.for list 
members feeling compelled to villify one another.  Unless there is some 
powerful, unknown to me, justifiable circumstance presently extant.Mr. 
Nave's rhetoric assaulting Mr. Rigby appears unworthy of an adult 
intellect---at least to me.  I do not know either of these gentlemen personally 
and have no intent or desire to generate more adversarial commentary.  However, 
blind-siding another list-member...in public view, instead of addressing the 
list owner in private---serves only to seed discord among the 
membershipespecially the newer ones who possess little in the way of 
knowledge of the nature/character of a majority of the population of much 
longer standing.  Even if such a posting had been made by one such as Marshall, 
James Osborne, Trem, Jason, etc., I would have the same reaction.  Rest assured 
however, I seriously doubt the occurrence of such.  I do not intend this as an 
attack on, or to denigrate Mr. Nave in any waybut am seriously puzzled as 
to his exact motivations for such an action.  
   In no way do I fault Mike for not "brute-forcing"  interventions at 
the drop-of-the-hathe has served us all faithfully, respectfully, and 
unselfishlyand mostly without deserved accolades.
It is my hope this incident is not allowed to generate a major 
disruption to membership harmonyor worse, injure the nature and scope of 
the useful information we try to share with one another.
   Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

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CS>Open Letter to Silver-List :Comment

2005-03-07 Thread Brooks Bradley

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Re: CS>***anesthesia induced coma

2005-03-07 Thread Debbie Mcdonald
Thank you everyone, his name is Joe, near Greenville SC.

cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
Concentrated Group Prayer can help.
Give us his first name and town.
I'm sure most of us will concentrate some positive energy towards him.

Chuck

All prayers are answered;
doubt cancels prayer;
worry is prayer for things you don't want.

- Don Hamerling


On 3/7/2005 5:53:38 PM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote:
> my dear friend's husband had brain surgery and has not come out of it.
> The hospital tells her he has not come out of the anesthesia- is in a light 
> coma??? Anyone able to help her.
> Thanks so much, Deb



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Re: CS>***anesthesia induced coma

2005-03-07 Thread cking001

Concentrated Group Prayer can help.
Give us his first name and town.
I'm sure most of us will concentrate some positive energy towards him.
 
Chuck

All prayers are answered;
doubt cancels prayer;
worry is prayer for things you don't want.

   - Don Hamerling


On 3/7/2005 5:53:38 PM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote:
> my dear friend's husband had brain surgery and has not come out of it.
> The hospital tells her he has not come out of the anesthesia- is in a light 
> coma??? Anyone able to help her.
> Thanks so much, Deb



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RE: CS>Trace minerals supplement suggestions

2005-03-07 Thread Duncan Crow
> I use BIO XII homeopathic 12 tissue salts homeopathic remedies (they
> come grouped together or singly but get the whole grouping, much
> better in the long run BIO XII). 

Dos this mean that we don't need minerals at all, but only the 
frequency of the mineral as a supplement? I tend to doubt it, as 
enzymes in the body have actual minerals in them.

Duncan Crow



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CS>R.I.P. Himagain

2005-03-07 Thread Himagain

Hi Mike,
Not a problem for me.
If YOU as the moderator find that crazed libelous  attack on me not worthy 
of your *immediately* castigating and warning that person about such 
ill-advised and uninformed posts, I am most disappointed in you.


This key quote of yours below,fails you on two grounds:
-

1. Dan Nave has posted a public complaint about you on the Silver List.
2.  He's not without some justification for his view,
3. but I'd prefer if he took things a bit less seriously.

-
1. Public complaints are -by your own rules - to be private to you.
2. If you agree with such a weird personal attack, then your list is not a 
place for me.

3. *I* take such things very seriously.
(I did warn you about the need for YOUR fast reaction to such diseased 
things before, you may recall.)

So, I will post this one last letter and cease actively participating.

Most of the other lists I contribute to only complain that I don't also run 
a  free personal advisory service.  :-)


In answer for your own erudition and list information:
I run on behalf of Fablor (an international serious business group), a 
number of volatile lists - most of which are between $52 per year and $1000 
p.a.  as a business subscription.

Fablor also sponsors many public service efforts, like MATRIXIDE.

Only a deranged person, or perhaps a shill for the disinformers
(ever seen www.quackwatch.com ? ) could claim that it is a money-making 
scheme.


Everything on Matrixide is free, including the Newslist - including the 
triage section - and the information there is simply repository - all 
gathered from impeccable sources on the Internet and specific to a single 
question.  "Why are they doing it to us?"


Membership in many lists such as Silver, are simply my personal return 
contribution to the many good people who sincerely endeavour to do their 
bit toward the public information sector, offsetting the massive 
disinformation industry that exists in every area, but most savagely, that 
of health.


Everything I post is done only after clearing with my Editorial people 
especially as to what I can give away free *and* not get into legal hot water.


  And yes, I do constantly remind people that the source of the writer's 
money is the safest and most accurate check on their veracity. It is.  The 
only thing one might add is "their politics" ( usually obvious).


I do not allow any person to judge me. Either in absentia or in camera. If 
you cannot stand the bright light of the public forum, then I have no 
interest in your claim or contention.


I wish you well  and trust that you have learned something useful from this 
sad and unseemly event.


Cordially,

Himagain
  "To find your enemy, look to the dark places. Conspiracy demands 
shadows"  Li Pi Tze (again)


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Hi John,

Dan Nave has posted a public complaint about you on the Silver List.
He's not without some justification for his view, but I'd prefer if he
took things a bit less seriously.

My question... I know that some of your Fablor activities are a paid-
for service, but what about Matrixide? Do you charge for memberships on
that side of things as well? I just don't remember what I saw at your
site...

Please hold off on responding to Dan's post while a) others weigh in on
the matter so we can see the general level of sentiment, and b) while I
formulate my response, based in part on your answer to the above.

Thanks,

Mike D.



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CS>***anesthesia induced coma

2005-03-07 Thread Debbie Mcdonald

my dear friend's husband had brain surgery and has not come out of it. The 
hospital tells her he has not come out of the anesthesia- is in a light coma??? 
Anyone able to help her.  Thanks so much, Deb 


RE: CS>Trace minerals supplement suggestions

2005-03-07 Thread Louise
Most health food stores carry them if they have homeopathic remedies or
homeopathic pharmacies on line.

A good book on the subject is Natures 12 magic Healers.

Dr Schuessler started this low dose homeopathic supplement of minerals.

Louise

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From: Sarah [mailto:sarah.elizab...@charter.net]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 4:59 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Trace minerals supplement suggestions


Louise,
   Where do you get this Bio XII?
Thanks, Sarah
- Original Message -
From: "Louise" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 3:21 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Trace minerals supplement suggestions


>I use BIO XII homeopathic 12 tissue salts homeopathic remedies (they come
> grouped together or singly but get the whole grouping, much better in the
> long run BIO XII).  I have learned not to use the regular dosage.  I would
> use one pill per sports bottle of water and shake at least 2 times to
> start
> and slowly build up to 30 times (over a 2 or 3 week period) and use as
> regular water for the you and the animal and it is a great tonic as it
> slowly regulates the bodies minerals.  It adjusts if the minerals are too
> high or too low.  Great stuff.
>
> Louise
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Judydownmaine [mailto:apea...@adelphia.net]
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:03 PM
> To: Silver-List
> Subject: CS>Trace minerals supplement suggestions
>
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions for trace minerals?
> Brands? websites?
> On the internet there is a plethora!
> Thanks, Judy Down Maine
> 
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> starting a chain-saw.
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Re: CS>Trace minerals supplement suggestions

2005-03-07 Thread Marshalee

Concentrace!
Marshalee


Does anyone have any suggestions for trace minerals?
Brands? websites?
On the internet there is a plethora!
Thanks, Judy Down Maine


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Re: CS>Trace minerals supplement suggestions

2005-03-07 Thread Sarah

Louise,
  Where do you get this Bio XII?
Thanks, Sarah
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From: "Louise" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 3:21 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Trace minerals supplement suggestions



I use BIO XII homeopathic 12 tissue salts homeopathic remedies (they come
grouped together or singly but get the whole grouping, much better in the
long run BIO XII).  I have learned not to use the regular dosage.  I would
use one pill per sports bottle of water and shake at least 2 times to 
start

and slowly build up to 30 times (over a 2 or 3 week period) and use as
regular water for the you and the animal and it is a great tonic as it
slowly regulates the bodies minerals.  It adjusts if the minerals are too
high or too low.  Great stuff.

Louise

-Original Message-
From: Judydownmaine [mailto:apea...@adelphia.net]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:03 PM
To: Silver-List
Subject: CS>Trace minerals supplement suggestions


Does anyone have any suggestions for trace minerals?
Brands? websites?
On the internet there is a plethora!
Thanks, Judy Down Maine


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starting a chain-saw.



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RE: CS>Trace minerals supplement suggestions

2005-03-07 Thread Louise
I use BIO XII homeopathic 12 tissue salts homeopathic remedies (they come
grouped together or singly but get the whole grouping, much better in the
long run BIO XII).  I have learned not to use the regular dosage.  I would
use one pill per sports bottle of water and shake at least 2 times to start
and slowly build up to 30 times (over a 2 or 3 week period) and use as
regular water for the you and the animal and it is a great tonic as it
slowly regulates the bodies minerals.  It adjusts if the minerals are too
high or too low.  Great stuff.

Louise

-Original Message-
From: Judydownmaine [mailto:apea...@adelphia.net]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:03 PM
To: Silver-List
Subject: CS>Trace minerals supplement suggestions


Does anyone have any suggestions for trace minerals?
Brands? websites?
On the internet there is a plethora!
Thanks, Judy Down Maine


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starting a chain-saw.



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RE: CS>CODEX scare called an urban legend

2005-03-07 Thread Louise
Hi Jean;

I wrote to them as well as they should be checking up on their facts about
Codex.

Louise

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Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 2:21 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>CODEX scare called an urban legend



Hi,

I wrote Snopes to tell them that they had lost all credibility for posting a
lie and that it seemed to be deliberate.  Either way, I no longer believe
them.

Jean




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RE: CS>CODEX article

2005-03-07 Thread Louise

(1)  The "Codex" issue is NOT about stopping supplements worldwide. It is
about Big Pharma TAKING OVER, and completely controlling the supplement
industry.

(2)  The "Codex" issue is NOT a "by itself" issue.  It is simply a symptom,
and a manifestation, of a much larger problem.  What's happening on Planet
Earth is that multinational corporations, now, are so large that they, in
their daily business dealings, are much larger, and certainly more powerful
than MOST of Earth's nations. Those multinational corporations have set up
the World Trade Organization (WTO) as the new world government, completely
under their control.

In the article, there are four more "observations" you'll find just as
interesting - plus some tentative solutions.  To read the whole article,
click on the URL below...


http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinionpieces/Codex.htm

I know someone in Germany and Britain and both places vitamins and herbs are
restricted in dose and some are not available at all,  the cost is much
higher as well.  Britain fought hard to keep this from coming to Britain
with millions of signatures and it did not stop it.

The trade agreement has been signed and they are to adopt the levels that
Codex has set.  IF US does not comply then from my understanding they will
not be able to trade with other countries with this trade agreement.

>From my understanding Bush is pushing for it the FDA wants it to go through
changing vitamins to be classed as drugs so it is being done from different
angles.

I would more likely believe big business is behind this than to believe
there is no danger.

Louise

-Original Message-
From: TC [mailto:tcj...@yahoo.ca]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 2:42 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>CODEX article


Regarding the article on:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/vitamins.asp

This article seemed very slippery to me, minimizing
points with dangerous potential and ignoring others.

Vitamins and minerals are not under the gun. [Like
CS?] Dietary supplements are. [Like herbs? Whats the
difference?] And no outside regulatory body is behind
this move: [? Isnt this in Europe? Isnt that an
outside regularity body?] the proposed legislation
is the work of American lawmakers looking to safeguard
the public from the unscrupulous and the hazardous. If
you take nothing else from this article, take the
preceding three sentences. [Is she saying that the
CODEX thing is from US legislators?]

Despite their presence on store shelves, not all
dietary supplements are safe for consumers to use, let
alone are beneficial to their health. Products can be
100% natural yet deliver a deadly payload, as have
some in the past. Lacking regulation of such
ingestibles, there is no protection afforded
consumers, and authoritative-looking labels are no
guarantee that what is being vended in those bottles
they envelop is not harmful. Under current law,
dangerous supplements get onto the market and stay
there [unlike dangerous drugs?], with serious physical
harm resulting among those who use them, as was the
case with ephedra, which caused strokes, heart
attacks, and upwards of 150 deaths before the Food and
Drug Administration was finally able to get it out of
the stores.  [Can anyone substantiate this claim? 150
deaths from ephedra? 300 people per year die from
aspirin.]

However, what it seeks and what it can do are very
different things. It has no power to force its will on
any nation. Codex standards are voluntary, which means
if the U.S. doesn't adopt them, they will not govern
the regulation of vitamins, minerals, or dietary
supplements in the USA. Claims that in various
European countries vitamins are now selling for a
horrendous amount or are available only by
prescription are strawmen, because the U.S. (as does
every other nation) makes its own laws, and the new
laws it is proposing in S. 722 and H.R. 3377
specifically and deliberately omit mention of vitamins
or minerals, both of which are already adequately
regulated. 

OK, since I know no one in Europe that I can check
with, I have simply accepted that no one there is able
any longer to buy supplements. Can anyone substantiate
what this article is saying?





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Re: CS>Autism

2005-03-07 Thread Connie Howard
Hi...  
This sounds like the product that I buy called the immune26 made by
Legacy for Life.  It utilizes the transfer factor as a means of
modulating the auto immune responses plus other things.  they can be
located at www.lagacyforlife.net. or 800-557-8477.  Not sure if this
is what you are referring to.

connie

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writes:
> A friend has a child that has been diagnosed as being autistic.
> Some of the information on the net refers to Transfer Factor
> It's not clear if this is a medication or treatment. Can someone 
> explain..ThanksBill
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CS>CODEX article

2005-03-07 Thread TC
Regarding the article on:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/vitamins.asp

This article seemed very slippery to me, minimizing
points with dangerous potential and ignoring others.

“Vitamins and minerals are not under the gun. [Like
CS?] Dietary supplements are. [Like herbs? What’s the
difference?] And no outside regulatory body is behind
this move: [? Isn’t this in Europe? Isn’t that an
“outside regularity body”?] the proposed legislation
is the work of American lawmakers looking to safeguard
the public from the unscrupulous and the hazardous. If
you take nothing else from this article, take the
preceding three sentences.” [Is she saying that the
CODEX thing is from US legislators?] 

“Despite their presence on store shelves, not all
dietary supplements are safe for consumers to use, let
alone are beneficial to their health. Products can be
100% natural yet deliver a deadly payload, as have
some in the past. Lacking regulation of such
ingestibles, there is no protection afforded
consumers, and authoritative-looking labels are no
guarantee that what is being vended in those bottles
they envelop is not harmful. Under current law,
dangerous supplements get onto the market and stay
there [unlike dangerous drugs?], with serious physical
harm resulting among those who use them, as was the
case with ephedra, which caused strokes, heart
attacks, and upwards of 150 deaths before the Food and
Drug Administration was finally able to get it out of
the stores.  [Can anyone substantiate this claim? 150
deaths from ephedra? 300 people per year die from
aspirin.]

“However, what it seeks and what it can do are very
different things. It has no power to force its will on
any nation. Codex standards are voluntary, which means
if the U.S. doesn't adopt them, they will not govern
the regulation of vitamins, minerals, or dietary
supplements in the USA. Claims that in various
European countries vitamins are now selling for a
horrendous amount or are available only by
prescription are strawmen, because the U.S. (as does
every other nation) makes its own laws, and the new
laws it is proposing in S. 722 and H.R. 3377
specifically and deliberately omit mention of vitamins
or minerals, both of which are already adequately
regulated. “

OK, since I know no one in Europe that I can check
with, I have simply accepted that no one there is able
any longer to buy supplements. Can anyone substantiate
what this article is saying?





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RE: CS>Trace minerals supplement suggestions

2005-03-07 Thread Ed Kasper
here is an analysis of the Rockland Mines TRC minerals
http://www.happyherbalist.com/collodial_analysis.htm
they leech their minerals from shale rock at their Utah mine.  Without
chemicals or additives. TRC is also one of the main suppliers for various
multiple level companies.
the Suggested retail for their Body Booster  33.5 fl oz -  38,000 mg of  77
minerals is $24.95
I sell this stuff as well it is not multi-level marketing but they do have a
Buyers Club (no fee's) where you get about 40 % off SR and free shipping
with orders over $100.
many times a local HFS will have this item as a leader and sell it at a loss
around $15.00

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist
Acupuncture is a jab well done
www.HappyHerbalist.com   Santa Cruz, CA.



 -Original Message-
From: Judydownmaine [mailto:apea...@adelphia.net]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 9:03 AM
To: Silver-List
Subject: CS>Trace minerals supplement suggestions


  Does anyone have any suggestions for trace minerals?
  Brands? websites?
  On the internet there is a plethora!
  Thanks, Judy Down Maine
  

  NEVER!!! hold a cat while
  starting a chain-saw.




Re: CS>re(2): CS>PHN

2005-03-07 Thread V.Jean.G.
Hi Nancymike:
While CS has greatly benefited, you, husband and many others, please
keep in mind some aren't helped. Everyone has a different body
chemistry, what works for some may not work for another. When Vitamin C
was heavily promoted as a cure for a cold and flu, it worked for some
but not all. No one seems to know if CS is effective against a viral
epidemic. During the 1914-1918 era, millions died from an epidemic
researchers still know little about.  Healthy young men went to work but
collapsed and dead by noon. 

 According to a Professor of Neurology at Columbia University, there's
thousands of viruses out there seperated into eight categories. If there
was only one virus, they couldn't be categorized. It's the viruses that
are maiming, disabling and killing us right and left but no research on
viruses except Aids and Hepatitis.  Millions donated to cancer research
through the years but on the increase as never before. Contact your
representatives and ask for research on viruses. The root cause of many
illnesses.

V.Jean.G.


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CS>CODEX scare called an urban legend

2005-03-07 Thread oldgl...@bigcountry.net

Hi,

I wrote Snopes to tell them that they had lost all credibility for posting a
lie and that it seemed to be deliberate.  Either way, I no longer believe
them.

Jean



>> http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/vitamins.asp
> 
> Well, I'm not sure the author of the Snopes article is completely
> correct or whether there are key points of disinformation in her
> presentation. I know for a fact that Snopes is fallible.
> 


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RE: CS>re(2): CS>PHN

2005-03-07 Thread Louise

Hi Jonathan;

Here is the missing link.
http://web.archive.org/web/20031227010117/http://www.symbiotic-health.com/
Instead of the landscaping place the original site.

Louise


-Original Message-
From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:35 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>re(2): CS>PHN

I am very happy to find this posting,  as I just happen to have FINALLY
received a good hardback copy of Wilhelm Reich's interesting book,  The
Bion Experiments.Not being a biologist, I am open-mindedly
skeptical about Reich's claimed observations,  but intend to keep
reading and learning. Ed's useful post gives me a good site to
continue that effort.  Much obliged!But note that the first link,
supposedly to a pleomorphism site,  has evidently been taken over by a
landscaping outfit!





On Friday, Mar 4, 2005, at 15:54 Asia/Tokyo, Ed Kasper wrote:

> How does CS work ?
> most say by killing all single cell organism. This is western
> thinking. And
> the downfall is that it works and it doesn't work. It is not whether
> either
> may be proven but in our understanding of what is happening that is
> important.
> Western medicinal thinking is tunnel vision based upon the single germ
> theory. It is not scientifically looking for answers. It is focused on
> proving its single germ theory.  It works and it doesn't work - but
> 'they"
> will not admit that simply saying we need more research.
>
> TCM, Chinese Medicine = Pleomorphism:  the concept that
> cells/diseases, and
> especially one-celled microorganisms,  can change to cells/diseases of
> another type.  For example Pleomorphism in human cells might be the
> morphing
> of skin cells to connective tissue cells, or of blood cells to bone
> tissue.
> In TCM  -  Wood to Fire to Earth to Metal to Water. Cold to Heat, Damp
> to
> Dryness a constant ebb and flow.  My thinking would say that CS works
> via
> Pleomorphism: returning the environment to a more natural state and
> therefore not receptive to what western theory calls germs / diseases.
>
> http://www.whale.to/v/pleomorphism.htm
> http://www.whale.to/p/bird.html
>
> think outside the box.
> Newton, Einstein, Pasteur ...
> and do not be limited to everything you've been told.
>
> Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist
> Acupuncture is a jab well done
> www.HappyHerbalist.com   Santa Cruz, CA.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: V.Jean.G. [mailto:tijua...@webtv.net]
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:32 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>re(2): CS>PHN
>
>
>  Zonman:
> I need to clarify my comments on shingles. I agree, there's a cure for
> everything that hasn't exceeded the point of no return. Ramsay-Hunt
> Syndrome is no different; however, when RHS is merely ignored since
> 1907
> and no research of any kind, how can there ever be a cure for a disease
> that maimes, disables and kills equals to Aids? I've spoken to
> university professors but all say this disease is too complex and
> instead opt to study the "easy" things. As you know, pharmaceutical
> companies would lose billions if a cure to the common cold (a virus)
> were found. Many complications come from a cold.  Same scenario for
> Parkinsons, Alzheimers, ALS, MS, Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia, Epstein
> Barr, etc, etc.  I know people who first contracted shingles as a
> teenager and still fighting it at age 80.  They've tried everything
> available to them  without success. I don't doubt the many who've said
> CS has helped them; however, once CS is stopped, or any other Western
> or
> alternative medicine, the symptoms always return and the virus remains.
> There can be no cures to these diseases unless there's research on the
> thousands of viruses out there. There are eight categories of viruses.
> With all due respect, you have your opinion and I have mine.
>
> V.Jean.G.
>
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Re: CS>re: GARLIC SKIN BURN

2005-03-07 Thread sol
The thing I was trying to kill was part of my skin, you know? It ate 
right through that and into the deep layer of tissue. Quite a hole!

sol

Deborah Gerard wrote:

Please do the research and get the instructions of application...the 
garlic is not supposed to be exposed to the surrondding skindebbie





 




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Re: CS>Open letter to the Silver List

2005-03-07 Thread Marmar845
In a message dated 3/7/05 11:56:35 AM Central Standard Time, b...@aol.com 
writes:


> Please stay on this list.  This list needs balance 
> 

I agree -- diversity is valuable. MA


Re: CS>CODEX scare called an urban legend

2005-03-07 Thread M. G. Devour
Deborah writes:
> It looks like the CODEX scare is being labeled an urban legend.  Why do 
> you suppose they're downplaying this? Deborah
> ...
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/vitamins.asp

Well, I'm not sure the author of the Snopes article is completely 
correct or whether there are key points of disinformation in her 
presentation. I know for a fact that Snopes is fallible.

Notice the weakness of this argument:

> Claims that in various European countries vitamins are now selling for
> a horrendous amount or are available only by prescription are
> strawmen, because the U.S. (as does every other nation) makes its own
> laws, and the new laws it is proposing in S. 722 and H.R. 3377
> specifically and deliberately omit mention of vitamins or minerals,
> both of which are already adequately regulated. 

So, I should ignore it if Europeans are already suffering a loss of 
access due to CODEX? I've heard some first hand reports from Europe 
that say they're having problems, so this does not comfort me.

There is no harm in alerting our representatives to the FACT that 
interfering with our freedom to choose among health supplements of any 
kind will be a solid electoral disaster for them, whichever of the two 
dominant parties they're from.

Be well,

Mike D.



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Re: CS>DOCTOR'S ARE NOT OPEN TO LEARN OUTSIDE OF MED. SCHOOL

2005-03-07 Thread cliff hume
"what the heck is going on?" The governments and their controllers have such a 
thing as the Population Control Agenda which calls for eliminating from 50 to 
90 % of the world's population and they have the backing of the most wealth 
people in the world.

Look for books by Dr John Coleman. Don't waste your time asking questions. It 
is a serious problem.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Deborah Gerard 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 8:23 AM
  Subject: CS>DOCTOR'S ARE NOT OPEN TO LEARN OUTSIDE OF MED. SCHOOL


  This thing with the doctor's Dan let me tell you. I don't know if you have 
ever gone thru an illness and been at their mercy but it is hell on earth.  I 
had IBS, went to every kind of doc you can imagine and every kind of test.  
Started listening to a guy on tv Doug Kaufman who is a nutritionist he talked 
on systemic yeast being the cause of IBS, I went to health food store and asked 
if they knew of a doc who knew these things, they gave me the name of one here 
who is awesome he turned my life around by taking one vial of blood and he went 
after the yeast , the guy changed my life. But he is no liked by my Insurance 
co. because he did not limit himself to what the medical school TRAINED him in 
not educated him. The medical schools are owned by the phramicitcal co. 
...hhhm not rocket science here my friend, I work for an ambulance co and I 
am around doc's all the time the majority of them have ego's the size of Texas 
and you cannot tell them anything nore a! re they open for other knowledge 
other than what they were trained in...we have all this so called great 
medicine and procedure's and we have million's who have the same diseases that 
there is no cure forPLEASE... I appreciate everyone on this site and love 
to learn more all the time, and am so thankful I found a doc that love's to 
learn and educate his pt's as well...and by the way my insurance co dropped him 
for healing people and getting them better with alternative means. He would fit 
right in with this group but not with the arrogant jerk of a doctor from the 
insurance co who said stop using alternative med. or your outnow you tell 
me Dan what the heck is going on?
  I for one love it here...Debbie

Re: CS>Autism

2005-03-07 Thread Charles Sutton
I saw a news show on TV that stated autisim could be caused by mercury
poisoning, (probably from shots)
EDTA Cheleation therapy will remove heavy metals.  It was used on 5 yr old
children in the 40's for lead
poisoning from lead paint.  Has anyone heard anymore about this?

- Original Message - 
From: "William Amos" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 9:43 AM
Subject: CS>Autism


> A friend has a child that has been diagnosed as being autistic.
> Some of the information on the net refers to Transfer Factor
> It's not clear if this is a medication or treatment. Can someone
explain..ThanksBill
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Re: CS>Open letter to the Silver List

2005-03-07 Thread B56G
Dave,
 
Please stay on this list.  I personally don't like the political posts  that 
I read.  This list needs balance and you sound like one balanced  person.
 
Bev


Re: CS>olive leaf-to ernie

2005-03-07 Thread Charles Sutton
I eat all the nuts I want, and take about 4 grams of Arginine, and 5 grams
of L-lysine daily.  Haven't had
a fever blister in 4 years..

- Original Message - 
From: "V" 
To: "Betsy Coffey" 
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: CS>olive leaf-to ernie


> Hi Betsy,
>
> the herpes and cold sores can often be cauesed by too much arginine in the
diet. I rarely got cold sores but last years I had one twice, as I took a
liking to some honey roasted peanuts, and after eatnig about a pound or two
in about a weeks time I got a cold sore. there are certain food that are
high in arginine and eating too much of them will trigger the cold sore and
herpes. Arginine triggers viral replication. Lysine inhibits it.
> I did it twice in a row before I figured out what was going on. so now I
dont eat peanuts are very many almonds either. got a cold sore after eatnig
a bunch of almond butter also.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Arginine+lysine+herpes
>
>
> Take care,
>  V
>
>
> > My friend has had problems with cold sores and herpes
> > chronically. she says that since using olive leaf, it
> > has lessened her viral outbreaks. When she does get
> > them, they are not as bad. I have tried many things
> > over the years,ie.oregano oil,gse, garlic, etc. but
> > olive leaf has  been the most effective for me to help
> > knock out an infection. I think that taking a good
> > brand makes a big difference. I dont seem to get side
> > effects from using it(that I am aware of) and in
> > addition to helping with bacterial infections, it is
> > also an antifungal.  I mentioned garlic as not being
> > as beneficial for infections as olive leaf but I do
> > think that it is an excellent antifungal.-again, a
> > good brand is needed.
> > A quesion-why would taking a psa test for men increase
> > their chances of cancer or did I read that wrong.? I
> > can see why a mamogram could possilby help spread
> > cancer cells if there was a small growth by means of
> > the impact breaking apart the growth but I dont
> > understand the psa test.
>
>
>
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Re: CS>Trace minerals supplement suggestions

2005-03-07 Thread Flbpf
Anyone ever tried this?
 
_http://www.liquidlife.com/cellularSupport_75ColloidalMinerals.html_ 
(http://www.liquidlife.com/cellularSupport_75ColloidalMinerals.html) 
 
Dana


CS>Trace minerals supplement suggestions

2005-03-07 Thread Judydownmaine
Does anyone have any suggestions for trace minerals?
Brands? websites? 
On the internet there is a plethora!
Thanks, Judy Down Maine


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CS>CODEX scare called an urban legend

2005-03-07 Thread deborah byron


It looks like the CODEX scare is being labeled an urban legend.  Why do  
you suppose they're downplaying this?

Deborah

I thought this entry from the Urban Legends Reference Pages
at snopes.com might interest you:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/vitamins.asp







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CS>DOCTOR'S ARE NOT OPEN TO LEARN OUTSIDE OF MED. SCHOOL

2005-03-07 Thread Deborah Gerard
This thing with the doctor's Dan let me tell you. I don't know if you have ever 
gone thru an illness and been at their mercy but it is hell on earth.  I had 
IBS, went to every kind of doc you can imagine and every kind of test.  Started 
listening to a guy on tv Doug Kaufman who is a nutritionist he talked on 
systemic yeast being the cause of IBS, I went to health food store and asked if 
they knew of a doc who knew these things, they gave me the name of one here who 
is awesome he turned my life around by taking one vial of blood and he went 
after the yeast , the guy changed my life. But he is no liked by my Insurance 
co. because he did not limit himself to what the medical school TRAINED him in 
not educated him. The medical schools are owned by the phramicitcal co. 
...hhhm not rocket science here my friend, I work for an ambulance co and I 
am around doc's all the time the majority of them have ego's the size of Texas 
and you cannot tell them anything nore are they open for other
 knowledge other than what they were trained in...we have all this so called 
great medicine and procedure's and we have million's who have the same diseases 
that there is no cure forPLEASE... I appreciate everyone on this site and 
love to learn more all the time, and am so thankful I found a doc that love's 
to learn and educate his pt's as well...and by the way my insurance co dropped 
him for healing people and getting them better with alternative means. He would 
fit right in with this group but not with the arrogant jerk of a doctor from 
the insurance co who said stop using alternative med. or your outnow you 
tell me Dan what the heck is going on?
I for one love it here...Debbie


CS>re: GARLIC SKIN BURN

2005-03-07 Thread Deborah Gerard
Please do the research and get the instructions of application...the garlic is 
not supposed to be exposed to the surrondding skindebbie


Re: CS>Cancer and pH - OT Question

2005-03-07 Thread Duncan Crow
> Are you familiar with "Liquimins" concentrace Trace Mineral Drops?  If
> yes, do you recommend this as a daily supplement?

Hi Lea Ann,

I'm not TC, but the liquid ionic nutritional supplment I use myslf 
and in my clinic is Body Balance. I think it's th best on the market 
because it contains more than 70 organic minerals and more than 120 
phytonutrients. There's still a free quart bottle offer on for anyone 
who wants to try it; the value is $35. All you pay is shipping. 
Although a subsequent autoship is proposed, it can also be cancelled 
if getting something free is more important than trying it for awhile 
in a health program.

http://lifeforcefamily.com 20480328 (my son's page)

regards,

Duncan Crow


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Re: CS>Cancer Testing?

2005-03-07 Thread Marshall Dudley
Himagain wrote:

> Connie,
>
> Forgot to mention:
> The Pregnancy test means one of two things if positive:
> 1. You are pregnant. (90% accurate)
> 2.  You have Cancer. (If not pregnant)
>
> Good test for a male, not so good for a female.

For a woman in menapause, would it not be just as good?  Also, I was under the
impression that only some cancers produce a positive with pregnancy testing.
Do you have any information on that?

Marshall



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Re: CS>olive leaf-to ernie

2005-03-07 Thread Marshall Dudley
Betsy Coffey wrote:

> My friend has had problems with cold sores and herpes
> chronically. she says that since using olive leaf, it
> has lessened her viral outbreaks. When she does get
> them, they are not as bad. I have tried many things
> over the years,ie.oregano oil,gse, garlic, etc. but
> olive leaf has  been the most effective for me to help
> knock out an infection. I think that taking a good
> brand makes a big difference.

Do you have any good brands you can recommend? I usually simply buy what is
at the best price at the health food store.

Marshall



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RE: CS>Autism

2005-03-07 Thread David W Kenney
Transfer factor is basically the very active ingredients in colostrum.
Depending on the form used...it can increase the NK cells (immunity) by
450+%.
Check out:  http://www.my4life.com/drdave for information on this
supplement.
However, there was a recent report of a physician on the east coast who has
actually cured Autism in many children by getting rid of heavy metals in the
system.  I'll try to find the source for this and send it along.


-Original Message-
From: William Amos [mailto:wa...@mailstation.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 9:44 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Autism

A friend has a child that has been diagnosed as being autistic.
Some of the information on the net refers to Transfer Factor
It's not clear if this is a medication or treatment. Can someone
explain..ThanksBill


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Re: CS>Autism

2005-03-07 Thread Alex Torres
William,
Mostly of the autism cases are related to mercury
posioning by: vaccines (thymerosal), fish or dental
amlgams (mother with amalgams and pregnant)
Visit or subscribe to autism mercury yahoo group and
check at this place for an explanation of the neuro
toxicity of mercury (University of calgary) 
http://commons.ucalgary.ca/mercury/
Alex Torres M.D.
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> A friend has a child that has been diagnosed as
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> Some of the information on the net refers to
> Transfer Factor
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> Can someone explain..ThanksBill
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Re: CS>Autism

2005-03-07 Thread bbanever

Transfer Factor is an immune stimulant and available as a supplement.

Bob
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A friend has a child that has been diagnosed as being autistic.
Some of the information on the net refers to Transfer Factor
It's not clear if this is a medication or treatment. Can someone 
explain..ThanksBill



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CS>Autism

2005-03-07 Thread William Amos
A friend has a child that has been diagnosed as being autistic.
Some of the information on the net refers to Transfer Factor
It's not clear if this is a medication or treatment. Can someone 
explain..ThanksBill


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RE: CS>Open letter to the Silver List

2005-03-07 Thread Louise
Where are you living, most animals are over crowded and very little natural
nutrition or social interaction even.

Louise

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Actually, Farm animals get better treatment.  Fewer drugs, and more emphasis
on nutrition therapies.




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Re: CS>Mole removal with Garlic to the area

2005-03-07 Thread Rowena
use the black stuff
> that comes off the rods when cleaning them and use that on the warts
I'd be very careful with that!  serious risk of 
tatooing the area with localized agyria.

When I experimented with the rod goo on wounds on my hand, it stained the flesh 
and fingernail brown or sepia, but did fade or grow out over time.  Months in 
the case of the fingernail.
Rowena