Re: CSRe: CS and PPM-levels
Essentialy, double a PPM/TDS meter reading to get conductivity [uS] uS = PPM ..in CS/EIS..after conductivity stabilizes. ..well, not really , but it's usually close. Ode At 09:37 AM 5/7/2005 EDT, you wrote: In a message dated 5/7/2005 5:51:27 AM Central Standard Time, odecoy...@alltel.net writes: Ionic silver requires no multipliers. Since most PPM/TDS meters use an /2 fudge factor, double the reading to get conductivity in microsiemens [uS] OK -- perhaps I'm particularly dense -- but this is the kind of statement that creates confusion instead of eliminating it. First you say that Ionic silver requires no multipliers (or dividers?). Since we can assume that our colloids are at least partially Ionic, can we also assume that the digital readout on the Hanna tester is (more or less) correct as is? Then you turn right around and in the same paragraph say that *since most PPM/TDS meters use a /2 fudge factor, one should double the reading*. Why? How does *conductivity in microsiemens (uS)* relate to the ppm-level in our home-made Colloidal Silver? Thanks. MA No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 5/6/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.7 - Release Date: 5/9/2005
Re: CS
Black tarnish where? Ode At 07:07 AM 5/7/2005 -0700, you wrote: this is a brand new machine. and My first batch. Does anyone know about the black tarnish? I did clean the jar with dish soap but I really rinsed in well. I flushed it because I was concerned about using soap. could this be a factor? - Original Message - From: mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net>Ode Coyote To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 2:59 AM Subject: Re: CS> Heavy deposits on the electrodes can defeat conductivity sensing auto off circuits by semi-insulating the electrodes. At some point, they just get heavier and heavier and make a mess. Don't worry about light. If you haven't used salt or baking soda, you can run a generator in direct sun and store CS on a sunny windowsill. Silver in 'only' distilled water is not photo-reactive. If you find that it is, there was something else in the water. Ode At 05:16 PM 5/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: Thanks it's been 26 hours and the light is still on. Should I through it out? I just took a peak and the silver rods are tarnished with black (like silver tarnish) and when I shook them it feel of and was making it's way to the bottom. Also there are two tarnish lines run down the jar. From the bottom of the rod to the bottom. any thoughts, please worried cook - Original Message - From: mailto:ke...@shaw.ca>kent To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 3:42 PM Subject: **SPAM: RE: CS>first batch I have a colloid master as well. My usual setting is 6 to 6.5. The PPM tester is anywhere between 14 to 20. Which I understand correctly from the list is doubled to come up with the correct the PPM. It should be clear/slightly yellow at the end of the brewing cycle. It can take a bit of time. I do not let mine sit for 36 hours before I use it. I also do not filter it. Not sure if this causes any problems but I haven't turned gray yet Kent -Original Message- From: SCD Traveler [mailto:s...@cox.net] Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 7:23 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>first batch Well I started my first batch yesterday at 4 PM. It's now 7 AM and it's not done. I have a colloid master and when I did the test for water purity it was just fine (Arrowhead distilled) So I'm not sure what to do now. I'm concerned. I did want a higher PPM so it's set on 6. I'm concerned about the keep in the dark thing. Why would that make a difference. Can I lift the box and look at it or would that ruin the batch and what about taking the box off to remove the silver and let set for 36 hours. It's seems more difficult that I thought it would be because of the darkness thing. I seen a post here about fuzz does' that stop the process and what about lifting the box to see if I have fuzz. thanks for any input worried cook No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - Release Date: 5/4/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - Release Date: 5/4/2005 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 5/6/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.7 - Release Date: 5/9/2005
Re: CSFree energy device
Patents are not granted on devices which do not work Statement patently not true and not proof of anything. Proof that something works is not requirement for getting a patent and patent office people aren't qualified to know what does and doesn't work. There have been so many patents issued for perpetual motion machines..that don't work.. that the patent office long ago decided to stop considering them. They don't need a patent because no one steals things that don't work. ie: To quote WC Fields...Don't bother me, kid Not to say it doesn't work, but... 'show me'. Bearden has been around for at least a decade. So far, nothing but talk. Ode At 12:32 PM 5/7/2005 -0400, you wrote: Hey, technical types, take a look at this one: http://educate-yourself.org/fe/megscalardevice29mar02.shtml __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 5/6/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.7 - Release Date: 5/9/2005
RE: CSRe: silver-digest: Uncontrolable granddaughter
Lori wrote: Each time someone tries to step in to show her she needs to change, my mom is quick to run to her defense... My heart breaks because she was the cutest sweetest thing. My parents ruined her. And with that I think we've done about as much as we can for that question here. A thread has begun on the OT list that you can follow at the OT List archives: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html More messages may come in on this topic while people catch up with their mail and post before seeing this message, so please don't reply to them, and be patient while it winds down. Thank you, all. Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: silver-digest: Uncontrolable granddaughter
When the baby bird becomes too demanding, loudly squalking that they know everything and wants to grab all the worms...Momma bird gives baby bird a little nudge. Baby bird discovers what it is to fly or die. 16 year olds can legally emancipate themselves, or a parent can 'emancipate' them. Squalking is a declaration of independence. Honor it or suffer. Your choice. Controlling others is a study in frustration. Controlling you is your only real choice. If that requires excluding another from your peaceful environment to maintain it..as demanded..so be it. [You can always sent em a peanut butter sandwich/tattered blanket/tent just before they starve or freeze. Providing steak is counterproductive] Teanagers should run the world while they still know everything. Old people forget in the face of reality. If someone insists that they're right..they are. Finding out 'how' right is 'their' job and they'll have to do it...you can't. Your job is done. ...so, you want an SUV?OK cool..go buy one. End of story...go play 'your' harp in the yard and see how well the rain keeps it in tune. No problem. PS Give back that old rusty trusty Toyota...I'll drive it. ..anyone who fucks with my head at the mall gets to walk home. [They might find the locks changed and a sleeping bag on the door step with a 'take a hike' note pinned to it.] Go find another airstrip baby, you ain't flying that crap through MY head space. [Where I am the traffic controller.] I can always love ya from a distance..and eventually will anyhow 'if and when' you grow up. ['They' determine how far away that is and when.] Ya can't buy and sell love, especially with abuse as the currency. If you accept an exchange like that..YOU'RE the turkey on a learning curve. [Gee whiz! Step aside and let that crosswind blow by!] Nothing that anyone 'says' can MAKE you feel ANYTHING..unless you volunteer victimhood. Who's wearing a sign that says, Kick me and MAKE me cry? Well, kick ME and you'll see just how fast I'm not at the end of your foot. [Was that a sonic boom?] You'll look pretty stupid standing there with one foot in the air, I'll betcha. [and nary an SUV to stand on] Now you wanna hate me? OK, your choice. [Not something I can control...that's YOUR headspace.] Your game, your rules...I ain't playin. Go have the fun that you defined for yourself. Ode At 12:57 PM 5/7/2005 -0500, you wrote: Hi, I have been on this list forever and make colloidal silver and this list has so many wise people on it that was wondering what list that I could go to that would help us know what to do with my granddaughter who will be 16 soon. It is not just being a teenager since she has always had a bad character. She makes my daughter miserable and she told her that she didn't love her or her father any more and that all she wants from them is financial support. They just bought another house in a upscale neighborhood, she said she was ashamed to have friends over to her other house. She harped and harped on this and now it is a suv, her other friends that have turned 16 have a used SUV. It's like she gets in my daughter's ear and repeats the same thing over and over. She is beautiful and is good in sports and makes good grades. My daughter teaches at the high school that she goes to. Last night she called my daughter at 10 PM and wanted her to come and get her at her friends house and she didn't do this and this morning when she picked her up she started in on the suv again. They had gone to a store and granddaughter called her a dumb but) loud enough for people to hear. This is so severe that my daughter called me this morning crying and said that she made her so miserable that she wishes she had never been born. Her father is a military man and tends to ground her for long periods which punishes my daughter also to have her around all the time. He wanted to ground her last week and I got into it and told my daughter that if you are too strict sometimes it backfires and she begged him not to ground her, I probably should not have gotten into it. In the halls at the school she told my daughter that she wasn't going to swim practice to be a life guard and she told her she wasn't going and she told her she had to and granddaughter looked at her real mean and said Make Me. Well she did go because her father picked her up and took her. She doesn't mess with him and says she hates him. Now this is a normal family in ever other way she has two younger sisters and my daughter says if it wasn't for them she would think she was a total failure. Talking to a Psychologist would not be the thing because she knows it all and would not talk to him, I think she needs medication. HELP Sorry for this long post Mary H. - Original Message - From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 5:51 AM Subject: silver-digest Digest V2005 #310 -- The Silver List is a moderated
RE: CSRe: silver-digest: Uncontrolable granddaughter
Ode I gotta agree with you. My parents were pretty strict with us, but the baby of the family was a different story. My youngest sister figured out that my mother was afraid of the empty nest. At sixteen she moved out of the house and into the home of her boyfriend. She told my parents I am not moving back until you buy me a car. You cannot imagine HOW astonished my two other sisters, and I were! If we had done that my parents would have said fine, have it your way. Instead they went out and bought her a Mazda 626. For that time period it was a VERY nice car. Through the years it has been one demand after another. Now for the folks who think it is incredibly mean and heartless to demand your children respect you and that parents should cave into demands and give bribes for good behavior or love... I'd like to share what happened to my youngest sister. Not that I am a saint by any stretch of the imagination. I was a rebellious youth, but I waited until I was on my own to experiment with alternative lifestyles. I learned pretty quickly I did *not* want to live that way. Six months of living on rice and eggs and having to roll pennies for gas money put a whole new perspective on the druggie lifestyle. I then joined the Navy for the next 8 years. My youngest sister did not fare so well. My parents continued to spoil her. As an adult they began to pay all her bills while she worked and kept her money for herselfin her own apartment! She married a solder, got pregnant and when the baby was 3 months old left the solder. She moved in with a boy of 17 years old in HIS MOTHER'S HOME. They were both partying hardy when the father of the baby sued for custody. My mother bailed my sister out of that trouble. Then my sister gave the baby to another sister (there are 4 girls one boy) for 6-9 months. My youngest sister then led a real life of debauchery in Washington DC. She realized suddenly that she missed her son who was in Indiana. She took him from a good home to live with her lover AND her lesbian friends. My mother found pictures of the orgies that took place. And CONTINUED to foot the bills. Eventually my youngest sister had two more children. All with different fathers, and played at being a escort and stayed on drugs and on and on and on. She is 39 and has never changed. Each time someone tries to step in to show her she needs to change, my mom is quick to run to her defense. My parents have no time for any of the other grandchildren because they are always taking care of my sisters children. They don't participate in the lives of any of their other children because they are caught up in the drama of the youngest. My heart breaks because she was the cutest sweetest thing. My parents ruined her. Lori -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 8:21 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest: Uncontrolable granddaughter When the baby bird becomes too demanding, loudly squalking that they know everything and wants to grab all the worms...Momma bird gives baby bird a little nudge. Baby bird discovers what it is to fly or die. 16 year olds can legally emancipate themselves, or a parent can 'emancipate' them. Squalking is a declaration of independence. Honor it or suffer. Your choice. Controlling others is a study in frustration. Controlling you is your only real choice. If that requires excluding another from your peaceful environment to maintain it..as demanded..so be it. [You can always sent em a peanut butter sandwich/tattered blanket/tent just before they starve or freeze. Providing steak is counterproductive] Teanagers should run the world while they still know everything. Old people forget in the face of reality. If someone insists that they're right..they are. Finding out 'how' right is 'their' job and they'll have to do it...you can't. Your job is done. ...so, you want an SUV?OK cool..go buy one. End of story...go play 'your' harp in the yard and see how well the rain keeps it in tune. No problem. PS Give back that old rusty trusty Toyota...I'll drive it. ..anyone who fucks with my head at the mall gets to walk home. [They might find the locks changed and a sleeping bag on the door step with a 'take a hike' note pinned to it.] Go find another airstrip baby, you ain't flying that crap through MY head space. [Where I am the traffic controller.] I can always love ya from a distance..and eventually will anyhow 'if and when' you grow up. ['They' determine how far away that is and when.] Ya can't buy and sell love, especially with abuse as the currency. If you accept an exchange like that..YOU'RE the turkey on a learning curve. [Gee whiz! Step aside and let that crosswind blow by!] Nothing that anyone 'says' can MAKE you feel ANYTHING..unless you volunteer victimhood. Who's wearing a sign that says, Kick me and MAKE me cry? Well, kick ME and you'll see just how fast
Re: CSOT: Help With Dog Injury
Raine, Hon, my heart goes out to the doggy, your friend and you. Please, do the doggy a favor; at least, get an x-ray. Then you will know how serious the injury is, and can work on it yourself with any advice from friends. But, if it is something serious, and you don't treat it now, the doggy might be in pain for a long time to come. They don't normally show pain, as this is not a good thing if you are an animal. In the wild you would be prey, killed, and eaten. Dogs have retained this aspect of not showing pain even though they are now domestic animals. Plus, if there is damage to the hip bone or any other bone and not taken care of now, it will set as is and possibly cause more harm to other areas of the dogs life. Doggy is much to young at only 6 mos. to have to suffer for the rest of its life. As for the lump on his neck, he probably sustained injury there and it could be inflamed, or a clot, or a bruise. Although it may not appear that doggy needs professional attention, they normally do after being hit by a car. Please don't do this to the doggy. ---Original Message--- From: Raine Date: 05/08/05 15:02:26 To: undisclosed-recipients:, Subject: CSOT: Help With Dog Injury My friend has a dog who was hit by a car yesterday. A financial emergency (that also occurred yesterday) makes a trip to the vet impossible. He is walking fine, eating, pottying, doesn't favor the rear, left leg/hip, but it will give out on occassion. She also says when he sits down, the leg/hip flops to the side. (Also, afterward he developed a lump on his neck? Any idea what that's about?) I've offered to help her treat him, and am hoping to draw on the wisdom of others who may have experience here. A bit of info on the dog; he's about 6 months old, Rott/Shepherd/Chow mix. We just adore him- he's my surrogate fur-child, so my heart is just breaking for him. Thanks in advance for any suggestions you may have, Raine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com .
Re: CSWarts, and Ricinus + bio-carbonate
I don't know, maybe he means bicarbonate. The most common one is bicarbonate of soda, or sodium bicarbonate, or sodium hydrogen carbonate, or baking soda. All the same compund, just different names. Marshall Bruce Anderson wrote: What is bio-carbonate? Bruce Faith Saint Francis wrote: Lori metap...@senet.com.au Wrote: Which leads me to my next ailment. Plantars warts. I had one when I was in the Navy 20 years ago. I dug it out and it went away, only to reappear and bring friends. For Warts, do the following: Take equal parts (small quantities) of Castor Oil (now its called Ricinus oil) and bio-carbonate. Rub the two togerther between the fingers, until they stiffen up, and look a bit like white chewing gum. This you put on the wart, and put a plaster on it to keep it in place. It may give a burning sensation. Leave for some three days, then remove. See what happens. This was also taken from the Edgar Cayce Remedies. Good Luck Faith St. Francis _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.4 - Release Date: 5/4/2005
Re: CSRe: CS and PPM-levels
In a message dated 5/9/05 8:49:55 AM Central Daylight Time, odecoy...@alltel.net writes: Essentialy, double a PPM/TDS meter reading to get conductivity [uS] uS = PPM ..in CS/EIS..after conductivity stabilizes. Ode -- please -- are you referring to a Hanna tester here? MA
Re: CStoddlers
lkfields wrote: I buy my CS from a local Chiropractor. It is Water Oz Water Oz is not CS, in fact it has absolutely no CS in it at all. It is silver citrate, and can and has caused argyria. and is 100ppm (they say). http://wateroz.com/minerals/Silver_2.htm is their website. Anyway, my question is...I want to give this to my 2 year old little girl. Should I give her a teaspoon a day in her juice? Should I just give it to her plain? I want her to have it daily as we do. However I am unsure as to how much to give a small child and how. I would not give silver citrate to a human. Marshall Lori -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: silver-digest: Uncontrolable granddaughter
Brilliant! Good horse sense (or should I say bird talk) is louder than all the psych-circle talk in the world. CC From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 08:20:52 -0400 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest: Uncontrolable granddaughter Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 06:49:16 -0700 When the baby bird becomes too demanding, loudly squalking that they know everything and wants to grab all the worms...Momma bird gives baby bird a little nudge. Baby bird discovers what it is to fly or die. 16 year olds can legally emancipate themselves, or a parent can 'emancipate' them. Squalking is a declaration of independence. Honor it or suffer. Your choice. Controlling others is a study in frustration. Controlling you is your only real choice. If that requires excluding another from your peaceful environment to maintain it..as demanded..so be it. [You can always sent em a peanut butter sandwich/tattered blanket/tent just before they starve or freeze. Providing steak is counterproductive] Teanagers should run the world while they still know everything. Old people forget in the face of reality. If someone insists that they're right..they are. Finding out 'how' right is 'their' job and they'll have to do it...you can't. Your job is done. ...so, you want an SUV?OK cool..go buy one. End of story...go play 'your' harp in the yard and see how well the rain keeps it in tune. No problem. PS Give back that old rusty trusty Toyota...I'll drive it. ..anyone who fucks with my head at the mall gets to walk home. [They might find the locks changed and a sleeping bag on the door step with a 'take a hike' note pinned to it.] Go find another airstrip baby, you ain't flying that crap through MY head space. [Where I am the traffic controller.] I can always love ya from a distance..and eventually will anyhow 'if and when' you grow up. ['They' determine how far away that is and when.] Ya can't buy and sell love, especially with abuse as the currency. If you accept an exchange like that..YOU'RE the turkey on a learning curve. [Gee whiz! Step aside and let that crosswind blow by!] Nothing that anyone 'says' can MAKE you feel ANYTHING..unless you volunteer victimhood. Who's wearing a sign that says, Kick me and MAKE me cry? Well, kick ME and you'll see just how fast I'm not at the end of your foot. [Was that a sonic boom?] You'll look pretty stupid standing there with one foot in the air, I'll betcha. [and nary an SUV to stand on] Now you wanna hate me? OK, your choice. [Not something I can control...that's YOUR headspace.] Your game, your rules...I ain't playin. Go have the fun that you defined for yourself. Ode At 12:57 PM 5/7/2005 -0500, you wrote: Hi, I have been on this list forever and make colloidal silver and this list has so many wise people on it that was wondering what list that I could go to that would help us know what to do with my granddaughter who will be 16 soon. It is not just being a teenager since she has always had a bad character. She makes my daughter miserable and she told her that she didn't love her or her father any more and that all she wants from them is financial support. They just bought another house in a upscale neighborhood, she said she was ashamed to have friends over to her other house. She harped and harped on this and now it is a suv, her other friends that have turned 16 have a used SUV. It's like she gets in my daughter's ear and repeats the same thing over and over. She is beautiful and is good in sports and makes good grades. My daughter teaches at the high school that she goes to. Last night she called my daughter at 10 PM and wanted her to come and get her at her friends house and she didn't do this and this morning when she picked her up she started in on the suv again. They had gone to a store and granddaughter called her a dumb but) loud enough for people to hear. This is so severe that my daughter called me this morning crying and said that she made her so miserable that she wishes she had never been born. Her father is a military man and tends to ground her for long periods which punishes my daughter also to have her around all the time. He wanted to ground her last week and I got into it and told my daughter that if you are too strict sometimes it backfires and she begged him not to ground her, I probably should not have gotten into it. In the halls at the school she told my daughter that she wasn't going to swim practice to be a life guard and she told her she wasn't going and she told her she had to and granddaughter looked at her real mean and said Make Me. Well she did go because her father picked her up and took her. She doesn't mess with him and says she hates him. Now this is a normal family in ever other way she has two younger sisters and my daughter says if
RE: CStoddlers
Oh wonderful. Sigh. Lori -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 11:48 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CStoddlers lkfields wrote: I buy my CS from a local Chiropractor. It is Water Oz Water Oz is not CS, in fact it has absolutely no CS in it at all. It is silver citrate, and can and has caused argyria. and is 100ppm (they say). http://wateroz.com/minerals/Silver_2.htm is their website. Anyway, my question is...I want to give this to my 2 year old little girl. Should I give her a teaspoon a day in her juice? Should I just give it to her plain? I want her to have it daily as we do. However I am unsure as to how much to give a small child and how. I would not give silver citrate to a human. Marshall Lori -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSDog Injury
Raine, Here is a site I have been looking for for you or anyone else interested in a great Yahoo Group for Pets disease, illness, general, or whatever. Raine, if you join and ask here about Doggy, they will be great and compassionate help. From My to your , Blessings Sasha -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDog Injury
Hi Sasha, What was the group? Thanks, Raine Essentially Sasha wrote: Raine, Here is a site I have been looking for for you or anyone else interested in a great Yahoo Group for Pets disease, illness, general, or whatever. Raine, if you join and ask here about Doggy, they will be great and compassionate help. From My to your , Blessings Sasha -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CS with Colloid Master
So far I haven't seen any mention of the switch on the front of the colloid master. It has a standard and a fast setting. You need to be using the standard position as the fast shuts off the polarity switching and the automatic off making it a manual generator much like hooking up some 9 volt batteries. Dave SCD Traveler wrote: It did past the meter test on the water. IF I remember correctly it didn't go out at all, which it took as a good sign because I was concerned about the dish soap. I did very, very thoroughly flush the jar. As another note. I have been purchasing CS and decided to go for it and have been drinking a lot of it (for Candida) Yesterday I was so sick I wished I would die. I slept for 16 hours. I was stiff and tender all over and couldn't stand to be touched. I'm assuming this was die off. Since it was so bad I'm wondering if anyone has thoughts about this. I'm willing to keep at it. My primary issue that I'm hoping the CS will help is a tremendous craving for sugar and I will say that I don't have that. Any thoughts would be welcomed still Cooking in SB. - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS with Colloid Master Dish soap could certainly be part of the problem, but again it would only make the EIS go yellow, not make your generator run forever. The farther apart the electrodes are the higher the ppm can go because of the way distance affects the current (if I understand anythng). So having the electrodes 1 inch farther apart than is specified for your generator could make it run a lot longer..but 26 hours is outside what I'd expect even so. See my previous post---Arrowhead is only good water in some areas of the nation. Where I live it is the worst brand by far (out of 5 or 6 brands we can get here). I think you perhaps should contact the mfr of your generator and see what they say. sol I did clean the jar with dish soap but I really rinsed in well. I flushed it because I was concerned about using soap. could this be a factor? I will run a second batch this afternoon. I did do the water test and it was pure. Arrowhead is a good water source. I'm using a one quart jar. It's not mason but it looks like a mason jar it's not wide mouth so the bars weren't touching the jar. I just measured the opening and it is 3 inches could this be the problem. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CS with Colloid Master
In a message dated 5/9/05 2:27:24 PM Central Daylight Time, ddar...@centurytel.net writes: You need to be using the standard position as the fast shuts off the polarity switching and the automatic off making it a manual generator much like hooking up some 9 volt batteries. Hey Dave -- thanks for bringing that up. I've never used the *fast* process on my unit and didn't even know that it by-passed the polarity switching and eliminated the automatic *off*. That would certainly make a difference, wouldn't it? MA
CSwater oz,granddaughters behaviour and castor oil
I thought water oz was found to be unsafe for oral consumption. Wasnt there a post a while back about it causing agrayia? Regarding the womans granddaughter, her behaviour that is limited only to her mother would suggest a discipline problem. However, the statment was made that the girl has been like this since childhood. The fact that her siblings are not noted to engage in this behaviour would point to perhaps some type of possible organic problem. Before attemptimg to establish disclipinary measures, I would want to rule out any possible chemical imbalance. My suggestion would be to have a complete evaluation including food allergies, yeast, thyroid, blood sugar etc. I had a friend who had two children ONe was very mild mannered and the other child was cross and behaviourly challanged. It took them several years to find out that she was severly hypoglycimic. Put on a proper diet, she is like a different child. This status and money issue with so many teenagers is another problem in itself. It is alot more prominant than it used to be and is a sad commentary of our materialistic society. I dont think that we as adults are setting a very good example for our young people. As a teacher for 20 years of young children, I do not observe that girls are any more mean than boys. It is equal amoung the sexes.The meaness is just manifested differently.Girls tend to be a bit more sophisticated in their behaviour at that age. I agree with the statment that it is very very important for involved adults to constantly and consistantly guide young children on how to be kind and remind them often of how much their behaviour affects others. INstead of being critical of young people, we need to be responsible in setting good examples for them and being accountable towards them. Last comment, Does someone know the benefits of taking a food grade castor oil supplement? I was thinking about using it to heal bladder lesions but dont know if it would actually be more irritating. The castor oil I purchased was for castor oil liver packs but is said to be edible. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSwater oz,granddaughters behaviour and castor oil
A very confused post. The Water Oz was suggested for a two year old daughter and the idea was promptly shot down. CS in any form will not do a wilfull 16 year old any good whatsoever. And if you can trick the 16 year old to take a daily strong dose of castor oil, she won't stray more than 20 feet from the pot and should become more tractable. Regards, Al - Original Message - From: Betsy Coffey latimergi...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 6:32 PM Subject: CSwater oz,granddaughters behaviour and castor oil I thought water oz was found to be unsafe for oral consumption. Wasnt there a post a while back about it causing agrayia? Regarding the womans granddaughter, her behaviour that is limited only to her mother would suggest a discipline problem. However, the statment was made that the girl has been like this since childhood. The fact that her siblings are not noted to engage in this behaviour would point to perhaps some type of possible organic problem. Before attemptimg to establish disclipinary measures, I would want to rule out any possible chemical imbalance. My suggestion would be to have a complete evaluation including food allergies, yeast, thyroid, blood sugar etc. I had a friend who had two children ONe was very mild mannered and the other child was cross and behaviourly challanged. It took them several years to find out that she was severly hypoglycimic. Put on a proper diet, she is like a different child. This status and money issue with so many teenagers is another problem in itself. It is alot more prominant than it used to be and is a sad commentary of our materialistic society. I dont think that we as adults are setting a very good example for our young people. As a teacher for 20 years of young children, I do not observe that girls are any more mean than boys. It is equal amoung the sexes.The meaness is just manifested differently.Girls tend to be a bit more sophisticated in their behaviour at that age. I agree with the statment that it is very very important for involved adults to constantly and consistantly guide young children on how to be kind and remind them often of how much their behaviour affects others. INstead of being critical of young people, we need to be responsible in setting good examples for them and being accountable towards them. Last comment, Does someone know the benefits of taking a food grade castor oil supplement? I was thinking about using it to heal bladder lesions but dont know if it would actually be more irritating. The castor oil I purchased was for castor oil liver packs but is said to be edible. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSColloidal Silver did it again!
It happened last Saturday evening. We went to sing in the evening, Karaoke, very pleasant, good atmosphere, we had a swell time singing our favorites. Then: All of a sudden I felt a stinging pain in my eye, which worsened quickly. I was operated upon for cataracts on both eyes five weeks ago, but it all had worked out fine. I recovered fast (having taken CS against any possible inflammations all the time), and I even felt the itch to go back to work .. and now this. I noticed that looking into on-coming light (cars with headlights on, glaring neon lights, that kind of things) made the pain unbearable. Well, long story short: I was in a worsening eye condition and it gave me the creeps. After all these weeks! --doc saying that my eyes were splendid --glasses down from 8 to 0,5, not really necessary anymore --soon back to work .. And Now This. Well, let me tell you that, already before the operation, I had resolved that in case of inflammations (the only danger the eye surgeon had mentioned) I would run back to my old therapy: The hard proven treatment with my own urine, even now with my eyes - against all odds if need be. Late at night that left eye had gotten very sore. It was reddish, and I could not stand any light. So I dripped fresh urine directly into it. It relieved a little, but not much. Then I tried my second arrow: I drank more colloidal water than I do usually. But it was old, and I started to make a new bottle at once. Then (Reflexology wise) applied pressure on the eye points, on fingers and toes. They were very sensitive, but treating them must relieve the pain. My eye shed water during the early morning, and it hurt badly. I kept on dripping urine and drinking colloidal silver, even during the early morning hours. And then, after doggedly keeping to drip my own water (a therapy I have been akin too for many years now) indeed the pain lessened. Next day (Mothers day, many friends in our house) was not pleasant. My eye was sore. We had planned to go to the beach with the kids but could not, for the intense sun in my eyes. But I worked on, dripping urine, and drinking colloidal water. I checked my eyesight in the tempered light of our bedroom. It was okay, obviously no damage done up to now. In the afternoon I noticed the receding of the pain, and this Monday morning we even wondered if going to the eye-surgeon really was necessary. We went, and so I told this fine doctor with his great sense of patience, big ears and an enormous practice, that I had gotten so far by dripping my own urine into my eyes, and by drinking CS. He made no remark. After checking the bad left eye he commented that it was just fine .. a minor (!) irritation, but well on its way to total cure. He called it a normal possibility. And .. that urine .. I would not do it anymore, of I were you. Just take the TobraDex I prescribed: 3 days three drops, then 3 days two drops, then one week one drop. The eye is much better now, but for direct light entering. The redness is almost gone, and I feel hardly any pain. I am a good boy, and will do as doc says .. but in tandem with my urine drops and the CS that have always worked the miracle. Faith _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSgranddaughters behaviour ...
I have been following this thread without getting involved. Yet .. have you considered that the girl might be sensitive to sugars? We have had such a case many years ago. After we found out, and cut down on sugars, a drastic change was the result, he is a fine young man now. Faith _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSoh that carbonate!
Marshall wrote: I don't know, maybe he means bicarbonate. Marshall, I quoted the reading, and indeed it did not mention bicarbonate. It mentions baking powder, which contains sodium bicarbonate, which is closely related to bicarbonate. I quoted the stuff by heart, having recently moved, and not having had the book mentioned (the Edgar Cayce's homeremedies), at hand. I understand very well the danger of mis-interpretation, but: but message was well quoted in my second posting, and the matter can be considered closed. Faith _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSgranddaughters behaviour ...
Also - preservatives in processed foods such as salami, sandwich meats, etc., might be a cause of her behavior. I know a family with a child who is autistic, have had wonderful success in 'reversing' (can't think of the appropriate word right now) his autism symptomology just by NOT feeding foods with preservatives (and sugar) in them. Even to the point where they DO NOT use leftovers due to mold growth... Stuart still has some problems; BUT they are significantly better than when he was eating all that crap-laden food. HTH Denise Saskatoon, SK Canada neec...@sasktel.net - Original Message - From: Faith Saint Francis faithstfran...@hotmail.com I have been following this thread without getting involved. Yet .. have you considered that the girl might be sensitive to sugars? We have had such a case many years ago. After we found out, and cut down on sugars, a drastic change was the result, he is a fine young man now. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRosemary Jacobs CS
Stan had a faint grey on the eyelids; not the Photoshop Smurf job that circulated in the press. -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 7:52 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris Subject: RE: CSRosemary Jacobs CS Come on, Lori, Please read up on Stan and his blueness. He thought he was making CS; however, he used plain tap water in a State that has multi mineral animal water contamination--Stan confesses that he made a mistake and realizes that what he made was in fact many silver compounds which protected him, but did the number on him. Stan also told reporters that he'd do it again, because he'd rather be blue than dead (to which I agree). I'm also told Stan continues to make and take CS using steam distilled water. Please read my Site Blogspots (which contain FREE 3 pages of CS Uses and 1 page of my Favorites to which I refer often. Best regards, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Lori Fields [mailto:lkfie...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 7:13 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRosemary Jacobs CS It has made very interesting reading learning about Rosemary Jacobs. I am convinced that she is a victim of her own doing. However what about Stan Jones? The Libertarian candidate from Montana? In 2002 he was big news because he turned blue due to a homemade CS solution. His was not silver nitrate to my knowledge. Lori -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com attachment: winmail.dat
Re: CS
The tarnish was on the silver rods and ran down the jar near where the rods ended. When I moved the rods it came off of them. I did strain the batch and it was a film of black dots on the bottom of the filter. The CS came out a soft yellowy clear color. - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 3:38 AM Subject: Re: CS Black tarnish where? Ode At 07:07 AM 5/7/2005 -0700, you wrote: this is a brand new machine. and My first batch. Does anyone know about the black tarnish? I did clean the jar with dish soap but I really rinsed in well. I flushed it because I was concerned about using soap. could this be a factor? - Original Message - From: mailto:odecoy...@alltel.netOde Coyote To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 2:59 AM Subject: Re: CS Heavy deposits on the electrodes can defeat conductivity sensing auto off circuits by semi-insulating the electrodes. At some point, they just get heavier and heavier and make a mess. Don't worry about light. If you haven't used salt or baking soda, you can run a generator in direct sun and store CS on a sunny windowsill. Silver in 'only' distilled water is not photo-reactive. If you find that it is, there was something else in the water. Ode At 05:16 PM 5/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: Thanks it's been 26 hours and the light is still on. Should I through it out? I just took a peak and the silver rods are tarnished with black (like silver tarnish) and when I shook them it feel of and was making it's way to the bottom. Also there are two tarnish lines run down the jar. From the bottom of the rod to the bottom. any thoughts, please worried cook - Original Message - From: mailto:ke...@shaw.cakent To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 3:42 PM Subject: **SPAM: RE: CSfirst batch I have a colloid master as well. My usual setting is 6 to 6.5. The PPM tester is anywhere between 14 to 20. Which I understand correctly from the list is doubled to come up with the correct the PPM. It should be clear/slightly yellow at the end of the brewing cycle. It can take a bit of time. I do not let mine sit for 36 hours before I use it. I also do not filter it. Not sure if this causes any problems but I haven't turned gray yet Kent -Original Message- From: SCD Traveler [mailto:s...@cox.net] Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 7:23 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSfirst batch Well I started my first batch yesterday at 4 PM. It's now 7 AM and it's not done. I have a colloid master and when I did the test for water purity it was just fine (Arrowhead distilled) So I'm not sure what to do now. I'm concerned. I did want a higher PPM so it's set on 6. I'm concerned about the keep in the dark thing. Why would that make a difference. Can I lift the box and look at it or would that ruin the batch and what about taking the box off to remove the silver and let set for 36 hours. It's seems more difficult that I thought it would be because of the darkness thing. I seen a post here about fuzz does' that stop the process and what about lifting the box to see if I have fuzz. thanks for any input worried cook No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - Release Date: 5/4/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - Release Date: 5/4/2005 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 5/6/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.7 - Release Date: 5/9/2005
CSconfused post
I am puzzeled by the comment that my post was confusing. I admit that maybe addressing three separate issues was a bit much but hopefully the content was clear. As a teacher, I was only trying to offer some help for a difficult situation.I hope that your post was in jest other wise I felt like it came off a little rude. I have no way of knowing how it was intended. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSwater oz,granddaughters behaviour and castor oil
Hi Betsy, Herbally speaking, castor oil is cooling externally but heating internally. That is to say, it can cause inflammation and probably would be irritating to the bladder lesions if its effect even reached that far, but certainly would irritate the colon. It's a great laxative, but doesn't soothe the tissues internally as far as I know. Dr. Richard Schulze (American Botannical Pharmacy) makes a kidney/bladder tincture that might help. Sally Betsy Coffey latimergi...@yahoo.com wrote: I thought water oz was found to be unsafe for oral consumption. Wasnt there a post a while back about it causing agrayia? Regarding the womans granddaughter, her behaviour that is limited only to her mother would suggest a discipline problem. However, the statment was made that the girl has been like this since childhood. The fact that her siblings are not noted to engage in this behaviour would point to perhaps some type of possible organic problem. Before attemptimg to establish disclipinary measures, I would want to rule out any possible chemical imbalance. My suggestion would be to have a complete evaluation including food allergies, yeast, thyroid, blood sugar etc. I had a friend who had two children ONe was very mild mannered and the other child was cross and behaviourly challanged. It took them several years to find out that she was severly hypoglycimic. Put on a proper diet, she is like a different child. This status and money issue with so many teenagers is another problem in itself. It is alot more prominant than it used to be and is a sad commentary of our materialistic society. I dont think that we as adults are setting a very good example for our young people. As a teacher for 20 years of young children, I do not observe that girls are any more mean than boys. It is equal amoung the sexes.The meaness is just manifested differently.Girls tend to be a bit more sophisticated in their behaviour at that age. I agree with the statment that it is very very important for involved adults to constantly and consistantly guide young children on how to be kind and remind them often of how much their behaviour affects others. INstead of being critical of young people, we need to be responsible in setting good examples for them and being accountable towards them. Last comment, Does someone know the benefits of taking a food grade castor oil supplement? I was thinking about using it to heal bladder lesions but dont know if it would actually be more irritating. The castor oil I purchased was for castor oil liver packs but is said to be edible. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
