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Regarding the site you referred to for CS: http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/September2003/04/c7099.html http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/September2002/16/c1055.html http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/February2003/24/c3100.html http://www.burnsurgery.org/Betaweb/Modules/silver/section1.htm please be advised that two of them don't exist, and one does not use the words Colloidal Silver. The last site -- www.burnsurgery -- is really the only one that would be informative to anyone checking these out. Thought that you should know! MA
Re: CSSilver as a biocide
Thanks to everyone who posted info. I used most of it in my reply. Interestingly enough, her response to mine included the remark that she successfully used CS to treat *fungal mycotoxidosis* (think I have that right). This surprised me as I thought CS wasn't particularly effective in treating fungal issues. MA
Re: CSSilver as a biocide
Far as I can tell from my own experience and my reading, the effect of EIS on fungi depends on the fungi. EIS is effective for some, not all, apparently. For myself, it has been very beneficial at reducing my candida. sol marmar...@aol.com wrote: Thanks to everyone who posted info. I used most of it in my reply. Interestingly enough, her response to mine included the remark that she successfully used CS to treat *fungal mycotoxidosis* (think I have that right). This surprised me as I thought CS wasn't particularly effective in treating fungal issues. MA -- “All higher animals, including the cat, are essentially tubular.” Pollock, R. Cornell Book of Cats. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
italic[How is that different from the stainless steel plates in other ionizers? I never detected any heat in one of those either. How does an Aranizer compare to any other good air ionizer in both ozone and NOx levels? An Aranizer is an ozone generator, right? ...Not an air ionizer. There is no comparison except that they both use voltage. Arinizer specs. Heck, 'everyones' specs are hard to find! Residual effect-oxidized mucus memebrane proteins you didn't need and cough up/ expel? Oxidized into what? Doesn't matter if it gets expelled, right?] Actually, the antioxidant levels in the lungs, particularly glutathione, are there to stop the mucous membranes from oxidising. The lungs are the third biggest users of glutathione after the liver and the kidneys. Peer-reviewed data on glutathione is here: http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/GSH_medline.html italicO5 a pentatomic allotropic molecule of oxygen. The story about O5 being somehow better than O3 doesn't reflect the reality that only the last oxygen molecule in the chain oxidizes anything. In the case of O5, the balance, being O4, is two O2 molecules, just oxygen. Just how rare and special is that..beyond all the sales hype? Do other ionizers make them? Just hype, and if ozone generators make them it doesn't matter. Duncan (an ozone therapist) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSAnyone know this guy?
I was up late last night and happened upon a paid advertisement on Satellite -- for a book called Natural Cures by Kevin Trudeau. Anyone know anything about him, or his book? MA
CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
There are alot of lawsuits out there pending regarding various ozone air purification devices, and I've reviewed reports from devestated parents who have used such devices, whose children have apparently experienced permanent lung damage from the use of such machines. While I cannot vouch for the authenticity of these claims, I doubt that the parents are simply money-grubbing people, or FDA plants. That scares me. I think I'm going to stop using my ionizers. My little girl has for the past 36 hours of so been coughing and wheezing and short of breath, and the albuterol we are currently giving her (temporarily until I get a nebulizer and some CS) is barely working. I beginning to wonder if the ionizers are at fault. But I really don't know. I'm going to turn them off, and I'm going to tell my wife to take Sophia to the beach for the day. Maybe that will help clear her up. -Ken Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSAnyone know this guy?
Hi, Not personally. Do a google search. I have the book. Paid a pretty price for it and although is does open a huge can of worms; I'm not sure if what he talks about hasn't already been mentioned on this list. He tends to push his website a lot through it. Makes frequent mention of going there. The catch is, you have to pay to find out the natural cures by subscribing to the site. Cost I believe, last checked, was around the 2-3 hundred bucks USD. For those of us in the dark, it will open your eyes. Outside of this issue, he has had some trouble with the law regarding white collar crime. Regards. e -Original Message- From: marmar...@aol.com [mailto:marmar...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:35 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSAnyone know this guy? I was up late last night and happened upon a paid advertisement on Satellite -- for a book called Natural Cures by Kevin Trudeau. Anyone know anything about him, or his book? MA
Re: CSAnyone know this guy?
In a message dated 8/8/05 12:50:24 PM Central Daylight Time, epa...@sympatico.ca writes: The catch is, you have to pay to find out the “natural cures” by subscribing to the site. So, you're saying that the book doesn't tell you what the natural cures are? It just pretty much advertises the website? MA
Re: CSAnyone know this guy?
In a message dated 8/8/05 12:50:24 PM Central Daylight Time, epa...@sympatico.ca writes: Outside of this issue, he has had some trouble with the law regarding white collar crime. I'm amazed that he can say, on television, the things that he did.MA
RE: CSAnyone know this guy?
Yes that is correct! However, the book does explain what is happening regarding the drug industry, medical industry and the food industry in America today. -Original Message- From: marmar...@aol.com [mailto:marmar...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:57 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAnyone know this guy? In a message dated 8/8/05 12:50:24 PM Central Daylight Time, epa...@sympatico.ca writes: The catch is, you have to pay to find out the natural cures by subscribing to the site. So, you're saying that the book doesn't tell you what the natural cures are? It just pretty much advertises the website? MA
RE: CSAnyone know this guy?
Yes, he is a smart man, well informed but also a business man too. -Original Message- From: marmar...@aol.com [mailto:marmar...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:57 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAnyone know this guy? In a message dated 8/8/05 12:50:24 PM Central Daylight Time, epa...@sympatico.ca writes: Outside of this issue, he has had some trouble with the law regarding white collar crime. I'm amazed that he can say, on television, the things that he did.MA
CSAnyone know this guy?
Hi MA, I don't know him but bought his book, which I find very informative, especially the rejuvenation of his heart valves by cell injections. Jean I was up late last night and happened upon a paid advertisement on Satellite -- for a book called Natural Cures by Kevin Trudeau. Anyone know anything about him, or his book? MA
CSAnyone know this guy?
Hi MA, No more amazing that the things prescription companies can say every day on TV, with the blessings of the FDA. :) Jean ** I'm amazed that he can say, on television, the things that he did.MA
Re: CSAnyone know this guy?
In a message dated 8/8/05 12:50:24 PM Central Daylight Time, epa...@sympatico.ca writes: The catch is, you have to pay to find out the “natural cures” by subscribing to the site. Cost I believe, last checked, was around the 2-3 hundred bucks USD Just checked his website, as you recommended. The cost for a lifetime membership is $499.00. This includes all his books, etc., downloaded for free, free tickets to every future event where he will be, the ability to write to him personally, etc. The cost for a monthly membership is $9.95 per month. You don't get all the perks of the lifetime membership. MA
Re: CSAnyone know this guy?
In a message dated 8/8/05 1:05:45 PM Central Daylight Time, epa...@sympatico.ca writes: However, the book does explain what is happening regarding the drug industry, medical industry and the food industry in America today. Hm!! Well, we already know about that, don't we? MA
CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
Hi Ken, My sister has a Pug who was overdosed on steroids (not the vet's fault), and has ruined his immune system. He now has aspergillis in his lungs and after 5 shots of an antibiotic of the last resort, was no better. I offered to let her use my Multi Tech XJ-3000C, air purification system (ionizer, ozone, hepa filter, UV light, activated carbon). One night and he was MUCH better according to my sister. We will see. Jean ** There are alot of lawsuits out there pending regarding various ozone air purification devices, and I've reviewed reports from devestated parents who have used such devices, whose children have apparently experienced permanent lung damage from the use of such machines. While I cannot vouch for the authenticity of these claims, I doubt that the parents are simply money-grubbing people, or FDA plants. That scares me. I think I'm going to stop using my ionizers. My little girl has for the past 36 hours of so been coughing and wheezing and short of breath, and the albuterol we are currently giving her (temporarily until I get a nebulizer and some CS) is barely working. I beginning to wonder if the ionizers are at fault. But I really don't know. I'm going to turn them off, and I'm going to tell my wife to take Sophia to the beach for the day. Maybe that will help clear her up. -Ken -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
Hi Jean, I hear you, and I know there are people who have apparently been really helped by devices like these. But I honestly do not know what the cause is for my little girl's asthma problem at this time. For the past few months she has taken albuterol only infrequently, but in the past couple months, maybe once a week. For some reason, the past day and a half, something is making it to where we are having to give it to her every four hours because she is short of breath, wheezing and mucousy. I do not yet know much about steroids or how badly they can affect the immune system or not. The choice I'm faced with right now is whether I want her to be able to breathe or whether she might get some immune system damage in the future. My hope is that some combination of nebulizer and CS will help her, but I do not yet have money for nebulizer or CS or MSM. I spent around $130 or so for 3 of these air ionizers because I thought it might help my little girl's coughing problem several months back. She had constant mucous from post nasal drip and we never did figure out what was causing that. I just bought these air purifiers in hopes that it might help, and it apparently did. She stopped coughing all the time. But now she seems to have asthma. Is that from something else in the air, or the ozone generation? I really do not know! I keep throwing money at her health problems, but I do not know the source of them. And everytime a possible health-positive cure is mentioned, it's costing me $50 here, $100 there, $200 over there, but in the end, it still is very hard to figure out because she's only 2 and 1/2 and cannot tell me really what is wrong. So I have to guessimate. All her pediatrician wanted to do is put her on albuterol. I'm not going to put her on albuterol, but I can't afford another kind of practitioner right now, since I'm barely making it from check to check. Hopefully that will change soon, but not right now. Sophia was doing relatively well until this past month. I'm not sure why she is getting so many more attacks this past month or so. Maybe in the middle of the month I'll have some money to get a nebulizer. -Ken Hi Ken, My sister has a Pug who was overdosed on steroids (not the vet's fault), and has ruined his immune system. He now has aspergillis in his lungs and after 5 shots of an antibiotic of the last resort, was no better. I offered to let her use my Multi Tech XJ-3000C, air purification system (ionizer, ozone, hepa filter, UV light, activated carbon). One night and he was MUCH better according to my sister. We will see. Jean ** There are alot of lawsuits out there pending regarding various ozone air purification devices, and I've reviewed reports from devestated parents who have used such devices, whose children have apparently experienced permanent lung damage from the use of such machines. While I cannot vouch for the authenticity of these claims, I doubt that the parents are simply money-grubbing people, or FDA plants. That scares me. I think I'm going to stop using my ionizers. My little girl has for the past 36 hours of so been coughing and wheezing and short of breath, and the albuterol we are currently giving her (temporarily until I get a nebulizer and some CS) is barely working. I beginning to wonder if the ionizers are at fault. But I really don't know. I'm going to turn them off, and I'm going to tell my wife to take Sophia to the beach for the day. Maybe that will help clear her up. -Ken __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAnyone know this guy?
Greetings, Kevin Trudeau is a very, very big scam artist. His book really exists to sell his website, whereby many naive users have paid quite a bit a money for access that doesn't exist. Kind Regards, Jason marmar...@aol.com wrote: *I was up late last night and happened upon a paid advertisement on Satellite -- for a book called Natural Cures by Kevin Trudeau. Anyone know anything about him, or his book? MA* No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.2/65 - Release Date: 08/07/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSasthma and CS, again
I got my DMSO from Jeffers equine. I believe it was about $27 US for a gallon. Regards Kent -Original Message- From: Ken Nancy Bagwell [mailto:kenancy2...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:18 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSasthma and CS, again Thanks everyone for the ideas. I'm especially interest in the salt lamps, too. I'm using 3 ionizers in the house now, but I turned them all off because Garnet said the ozone was dangerous. Later this month, I will try to get a nebulizer and some CS/dmso. However, I still have yet to hear from anyone re my question about DMSO or MSM source. Is there a best cheap source to get them from together? Does the MSM have to be pharmaceutical grade or something, since it's going to very sensitive lungs of my little 2 and 1/2 year old Sophia? -Ken Bagwell __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
Ken, If you go to http://www.emofree.com/ you can download a manual for FREE and this meridian tapping technique might help your daughter and your whole family. Best, Nenah - Original Message - From: Ken Nancy Bagwell kenancy2...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:53 PM Subject: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS Hi Jean, I hear you, and I know there are people who have apparently been really helped by devices like these. But I honestly do not know what the cause is for my little girl's asthma problem at this time. For the past few months she has taken albuterol only infrequently, but in the past couple months, maybe once a week. For some reason, the past day and a half, something is making it to where we are having to give it to her every four hours because she is short of breath, wheezing and mucousy. I do not yet know much about steroids or how badly they can affect the immune system or not. The choice I'm faced with right now is whether I want her to be able to breathe or whether she might get some immune system damage in the future. My hope is that some combination of nebulizer and CS will help her, but I do not yet have money for nebulizer or CS or MSM. I spent around $130 or so for 3 of these air ionizers because I thought it might help my little girl's coughing problem several months back. She had constant mucous from post nasal drip and we never did figure out what was causing that. I just bought these air purifiers in hopes that it might help, and it apparently did. She stopped coughing all the time. But now she seems to have asthma. Is that from something else in the air, or the ozone generation? I really do not know! I keep throwing money at her health problems, but I do not know the source of them. And everytime a possible health-positive cure is mentioned, it's costing me $50 here, $100 there, $200 over there, but in the end, it still is very hard to figure out because she's only 2 and 1/2 and cannot tell me really what is wrong. So I have to guessimate. All her pediatrician wanted to do is put her on albuterol. I'm not going to put her on albuterol, but I can't afford another kind of practitioner right now, since I'm barely making it from check to check. Hopefully that will change soon, but not right now. Sophia was doing relatively well until this past month. I'm not sure why she is getting so many more attacks this past month or so. Maybe in the middle of the month I'll have some money to get a nebulizer. -Ken -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSAnyone know this guy?
The sick have been held hostage for their money or intangible assets since time immemorial. Doctors, even primitive and natural healers, surround themselves with mystery as they use herbs or chemicals and incantations or 'prognoses' to help the sick recover. -Hulda Clark __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
My little girl has for the past 36 hours of so been coughing and wheezing and short of breath, and the albuterol we are currently giving her (temporarily until I get a nebulizer and some CS) is barely working. I beginning to wonder if the ionizers are at fault. -Ken Ken, before you blame the ionizer, which has not been linked to problems, take look at a probable antioxidant deficiency. The lungs are the third biggest users of the antioxidant enzyme glutathione after the liver and kidneys. The rate-limiting factor in glutathione production is cysteine, actually as cysteine-containing amino acid peptides, not as a free- form amino acid. The peptides happen to be in short supply in the diet, as is drinking water selenium in most areas. Selenium is used to make one form of glutathione, and it is low or absent in many areas and it's also depleted by arsenic in drinking water, a combination that can easily exacerbate a depleted antioxidant pool. The proof is in the pudding though, and I've seen people who were on oxygen for COPD for example not require it anymore. They reduced the irritating toxins, thus the mucous problem and inflammation, with cold-processed whey, selenium, and the antioxidant vitamins C, E, A, and a b-complex. Further gains could probably have been made with other antioxidants and cod-liver oil, an antiinflammatory. The other thing to look up is insufficient nitric oxide production in the lungs. It is important for microcapilliary circulation and when there's enough you get less swelling. There's probably enough arginine in the cold-processed whey but some people get good results with Noni. Although I no longer sell Noni products I think a lot of Noni and Nitric Oxide science is still on my web site. Duncan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSasthma and CS, again/OZONE IONS
Hi Duncan, You think N-A-C (N-Acetyl-Cysteine) would be useful? I heard that is a cystine containing compound, and at one time, it was purported to be helpful to those with emphysema, but then that was retracted because they couldn't agree on whether it really reduced mucous or not. I guess I can look into the selenium and vitamins. She already takes a daily multivitamin, with fair amounts of common vitamins and minerals. It's not flintstones vitamins or some garbage like that, and it has no artificial anything in it. But I don't remember if it has selenium. I've used Omega 6 Borage oil before for gum inflammation and I know that stuff works for inflammation. Do you think that would be useful? Part of the problem to is that it is hard to get her to take some medicines consistently. She can't figure out how to swallow capsules yet, and thay would be so helpful if she would, because so many of the herbs, vitamins, etc, are just plain nasty tasting, and often are not concealable. -Ken * From: Duncan Crow (view other messages by this author) * Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:48:39 My little girl has for the past 36 hours of so been coughing and wheezing and short of breath, and the albuterol we are currently giving her (temporarily until I get a nebulizer and some CS) is barely working. I beginning to wonder if the ionizers are at fault. -Ken Ken, before you blame the ionizer, which has not been linked to problems, take look at a probable antioxidant deficiency. The lungs are the third biggest users of the antioxidant enzyme glutathione after the liver and kidneys. The rate-limiting factor in glutathione production is cysteine, actually as cysteine-containing amino acid peptides, not as a free- form amino acid. The peptides happen to be in short supply in the diet, as is drinking water selenium in most areas. Selenium is used to make one form of glutathione, and it is low or absent in many areas and it's also depleted by arsenic in drinking water, a combination that can easily exacerbate a depleted antioxidant pool. The proof is in the pudding though, and I've seen people who were on oxygen for COPD for example not require it anymore. They reduced the irritating toxins, thus the mucous problem and inflammation, with cold-processed whey, selenium, and the antioxidant vitamins C, E, A, and a b-complex. Further gains could probably have been made with other antioxidants and cod-liver oil, an antiinflammatory. The other thing to look up is insufficient nitric oxide production in the lungs. It is important for microcapilliary circulation and when there's enough you get less swelling. There's probably enough arginine in the cold-processed whey but some people get good results with Noni. Although I no longer sell Noni products I think a lot of Noni and Nitric Oxide science is still on my web site. Duncan -- __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSNanobacteria, Calcification Heart Disease
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Re: CSasthma and CS, again
I use veterinary grade DMSO as well, purchased locally, but it may very well be the exact same product that Jeffers sells. They also have a very good price on MSM. I purchase my MSM from www.msm-msm.com though, because so far it is the only place I have found the Opti-MSM which is an entirely U.S. made and sourced product. Lignisul MSM is made in the U.S. from ingredients from China. Lignisul is commonly found in most combination msm products available over the counter. In any case for use in a nebulizer you want the pure MSM crystals, that sold in capsules has fillers. For my pet rabbit I use a recipe of 1 ounce pure EIS (my homemade, usually about 15 ppm), 1/2 teaspoon of pure MSM, and 5 drops DMSO. For us adult humans I could probably use more DMSO, but this mix works well even for us, and it is safe for my rabbit. I have used it as nose drops and as ear drops, too. For eye drops, I use one ounce of my EIS, with one dropperful of DMSO. MSM makes my eyes sting so I don't use it in eye drops. Did you look for a nebulizer at ebay? Several people have said they got good ones there. I have an omron comp-air elite which I paid $65 for. Could have gotten it cheaper online, but I needed it ASAP. sol kent wrote: I got my DMSO from Jeffers equine. I believe it was about $27 US for a gallon. Regards Kent -Original Message- From: Ken Nancy Bagwell [mailto:kenancy2...@yahoo.com] Later this month, I will try to get a nebulizer and some CS/dmso. However, I still have yet to hear from anyone re my question about DMSO or MSM source. Is there a best cheap source to get them from together? Does the MSM have to be pharmaceutical grade or something, since it's going to very sensitive lungs of my little 2 and 1/2 year old Sophia? -Ken Bagwell -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS effectiveness
Marshall Wrote: The number of credible studies that disprove this claim are numerous. American BioTech's studies demonstrated silver to be fatal to malaria, tuberculosis, Bubonic plague, Staphylococcus aureus, Candida albicans yeast, the Trichomonas vaginalis bacteria and anthrax. I think Trich is actually a protozoan. Jim -Original Message- From: Terry Chamberlin [mailto:tcj...@yahoo.ca] Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 7:44 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCS effectiveness marmar...@aol.com wrote: I am posting a response from another list I'm on, which rebutted my statements regarding Colloidal Silver (on that list). When some friends of mine found out I was using CS with success on some tough problems, they gently took me aside and cleared up some misconceptions. Because they both worked at MIT, and the wife went on to teach at Princeton (electron microscopy in determining cell response to disease) and the husband is now head of a company developing carbon nanosphere technology as a step beyond MRI imaging, I take their understanding as sound! As most of us on this list have discovered, impressive-sounding credentials don't guarantee accuracy or credibility. CS, despite being called nature's antibiotic, has no effect on fungal, baterial or viral pathogens. I have a copy of Brigham Young Universities studies that show differently. Marshall responded: Where did they get that idea. Did they run tests, and if so what was the protocol? I personally had tests run at University of Tennessee and determined that it has a lot of effect. Others have run tests and many of them are posted on the net, and none of them ever showed no effect. The mechanism by which CS works is this: Silver (and also gold, which you can also buy as a colloid) are inert metals as far as the body is concerned - no reaction. When a virus, for instance, enters a cell, the mitochondria of the cell are attracted to it and attach to the virus. The virus borrows the DNA from the mitochondria - it's necessary for the virus to do so in order to reproduce. When silver is present in the cells in the particle size that mimics a virus (and this is why particle size is very important) the mitochondria attach to the silver and become busy - they can't attach to the virus. Hence, virus can't reproduce and so die. Less virus present, less inflammatory response from the body. There's no inherent immunity with silver itself, and it doesn't kill virus, bacteria, or fungus, but it maintains the integrity of the cell by keeping it busy or plugged. Marshall responds: Where did this information come from? Never heard it before. Is there any experimental evidence to back it up? If it doesn't kill bacteria, then why does every test I know of that has ever been run on it with bacteria show a high or 100% kill rate? Silver doesn't have any effect on a pathogen, so it can't suffocate or kill it. But the above explanation does lend itself to the idea of building an immunity, although I doubt a scientist would agree with that interpretation. The number of credible studies that disprove this claim are numerous. American BioTech's studies demonstrated silver to be fatal to malaria, tuberculosis, Bubonic plague, Staphylococcus aureus, Candida albicans yeast, the Trichomonas vaginalis bacteria and anthrax. See: http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/September2003/04/c7099.html http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/September2002/16/c1055.html http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/February2003/24/c3100.html http://www.burnsurgery.org/Betaweb/Modules/silver/section1.htm The recommended 8-10 ppm is in line with what they know about this action - you don't want too much or too little. You do need the volume that dilution to 8-10ppm creates in order to disperse it through the body - because a percentage of it is going to be lost in the digestive tract or otherwise eliminated. If making your own, there are some issues - if you don't have rather sophisticated equipment you can't be sure of the particle size or concentration. The success of folks with MS and cancer by drinking copious quantities (16-24 oz/day) negates the idea that one must be careful to take just the right amount. Roger Altman's study demonstrated the non-accumulation of properly made CS, thereby establishing that the body simply disposes of unused CS. Their feeling is that what you are making is actually silver salts, not colloidal silver. Marshall responded: That is impossible. A salt requires an anion, and there is none present in distilled water. These guys need to study chemistry. When supposedly knowledgeable people make statements that are poor science or pseudo-science, it becomes hard to take them seriously. I said - and yet it works for the people who make it and they said that sufficient amounts in an adequate particle size (through volume) could still be getting where they need to go. This supports Altman's findings that
Re: CSCancema Substitutes
I happen to know of a source for BCGG and Vitae Elixir in the USA. BCGG is very similar to Cansema... Vitae Elixir is a liquid form with a slightly different formulation. I will have to ask my source if it is ok to give it out over the net. These products are sold to European clinics and veteranarians only, as far as I know. Very effective against any malignancy and any viral, bacterial, or fungal infection. Powerful stuff must be used with caution. Bob - Original Message - From: grace1...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: Re: CSCancema Substitutes I just spent hours looking through the site at http://health.centreforce.com. I was disappointed to discover that there were no supplies available from Alpha Omega Labs. However, apparently you can order Cancema salve--regular and deep tissue, as well as Cancema capsules and Cancema tonic from http://store.bevanpotter.com. This was associated with the centreforce site. Hope this helps, Jill
