Re: CScurad
It's not just that. The body regulates metals on several levels. It does it's own chelation and there's those transport proteins etc. None of these barriers are absolutes. Microbes could well be a factor in the breakdown of a regulating system...or some other environmental toxin. As we've discussed before, Selenium levels and Vitamin E have an effect, not just on silver retention. So, what is it that regulates those? Silver will cross the barrier. Fair levels have been found in autopsies..[not connected with the demise of the autopsied] Copper must cross the barrier. It's an essential micro-nutrient. But if it goes macro for whatever reason..nerve damage. How 'much' does and 'stays' there, is the question. uhh.. the system has Alzheimers and forgot to spit some out? :-) I don't know if this is fact, but the brain might need 'some' aluminum. Ode At 10:40 AM 12/6/2005 -0500, you wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: If aluminum is injected into the brain, it does cause changes. [Aluminum in what form is a question. Researchers who work for plastic wrap or stainless cookware sponsers might not always be honest and may have 'invented' something to prove a point] However, people don't often run around with big syringes in their heads and, like copper, there's no easy way to avoid aluminum in the environment. The only way that aluminum can get to the brain is if it somehow breaches the blood brain barrier. It is possible that the reason that people who get Alzheimer's has not been found is that researchers are looking in the wrong place. The problem may be a spirochete or something that is opening up the blood brain barrier letting it in, and that the pathogen itself does not infect the brain directly. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: 12/5/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.12 - Release Date: 12/5/2005 Stop on in and visit! www.silverpuppy.com www.colloidal-silver-generator.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.12 - Release Date: 12/5/2005
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve - application how often? A little dot, not a thick plas...
In a message dated 12/6/2005 7:38:44 PM Central Standard Time, new...@aapt.net.au writes: (Bruce Fife just wrote to the coconut group that VCNO is the most effective thing he has seen for skin cancer; it actually kills it and it disappears in a few weeks. Would this, per chance, also apply to a mole that may or may not be cancer? MA
Re: CSWhat did I do wrong?
Dat looks like de stuff! Pretty good prices too! Ode At 10:07 AM 12/6/2005 -0600, you wrote: hi laurie when i first heard about CS i bought a bottle from this site http://www.happyherbalist.com>www.happyherbalist.com its 16oz. at 24ppm i diluted it down w/ distilled water to about 10-12 ppm...it worked real good for my g/fjust something thought my interest you... take care good luck Thank you, guess that explains why I am still miserable. What a waste of money I guess I still am not getting/understanding this CS stuff. Thank you again! Laurie ---Original Message--- That is not colloidal silver. Colloidal silver cannot be made and stable above about 30 or so ppm. Most likely it is either fake or MSP, in which the CS is bound with a gelatin like protein so it is rendered almost completely inactive. > > > I took this amount in bottle water and noticed NO significant help with my > cold symptoms. Is CS supposed to be taken undiluted? Thank you. Laurie I wouldn't expect any help with that. You take true CS undiluted, and if you were to take a few ounces of true 10 ppm you would most likely found that the cold disappeared in a few hours at most. The sinuses can be more difficult if you let a cold get that far, in that case nebulizing with CS is often required. Marshall -- http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id=95252>Add FUN to your email - CLICK HERE! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: 12/5/2005 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.12 - Release Date: 12/5/2005 Stop on in and visit! www.silverpuppy.com www.colloidal-silver-generator.com--===AVGMAIL-4396D14839B0=== Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg=cert; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-67556B97 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: AVG certification No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.12 - Release Date: 12/5/2005
CSwho has a good sourece for silver.
looking for a silver source to make colloidal thks bg -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSwho has a good sourece for silver.
I have seen silver wire on E Bay, but cheapest silver is to buy Canadian Silver Maple Leaf coins. You can buy the coins on E Bay or at a coin shop (what ever is cheapest or easiest for you). Been using the coins for years. Bob -Original Message- From: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com] On Behalf Of Greer202 Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 8:37 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSwho has a good sourece for silver. looking for a silver source to make colloidal thks bg -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe[2]: CSmycoplasma
Here is a link to info on a book out recently by Prof Garth Nicolson on his and others quest to uncover mycoplasmas as the cause of GWS and other illnesses. BW, Sheila http://www.gulfwarvets.com/projectdaylily.htm Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 3:55:49 AM, you wrote: ND Mycplasma is a man made virus that I believe is the cause of most all auto ND immunine diseases: ND This is only my theory, but it makes a great deal of sense to me. ND Nancy ND MS, is an autoimmune disease. When we have an autoimmune disease, the ND doctor tells us our body attacks itself for no reason. There are entirely ND too many bodies attacking themselves for no reason. There must be a reason ND for all the attacking. ND We all have mycoplasma (very tiny one celled organisms with no cell ND wall) on our bodies. For the most part they are harmless. ND (Mycoplasmas - Stealth Pathogens ND www.rain-tree.com/myco.htm ). When we ND have a stress in our lives, these mycoplasma invade our own cells. Because ND they are so tiny, they invade our cells and because they have no cell walls, ND they take the shape of our cell. It feeds off of our cell. Our immune ND system knows there is something there, BUT, because it is now hidden in our ND own cells, our immune system cannot find the pathogen. It attacks and ND cannot find anything, but there is very definitely something there. ND The cells the mycoplasma invades is pretty much the disease we get. It ND invades our central nervous system, we have MS. It invades our organs: ND Lupus; invades our joints: rheumatoid arthritis; fibromyalgia; chronic ND fatigue syndrome; croans, and on and on. ND Colloidal Silver kills single cells. It will get to the mycoplasma and ND suffocate it. Then, the dead mycoplasma and the CS are eliminated from the ND body. I realize this sounds too easy and simple, and I'm sure it is more ND complicated then that, but basically, this is the process. The main problem ND is that it is very difficult to get the CS to the mycoplasma. That is the ND challenge we have. That is why it is a very slow, subtle process. ND http://mindcontrolforums.com/mycoplamsa.htm Mycoplasma is misspelled, but ND this is correct site. ND http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol3no1/baseman.htm ND http://www.mercola.com/2001/sep/8/mycoplasma.htm ND http://www.rense.com/general62/molecularterrorism.htm ND - Original Message - ND From: Betsy Coffey latimergi...@yahoo.com ND To: silver-list@eskimo.com ND Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 12:41 AM Subject: CSmycoplasma HI Ernie, I thought that mycoplasma was a bacterium? It is interesting the different theories about ms. I have heard that it is caused by the same virus as chicken pox,shingles and herpes. __ Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/6/2005
Re: CSCS and sleep
I would think that this is possible, for homeopathically sensitive people who also have a hard time getting to sleep because of an active mind. If you read the provings for silver I believe it indicates that it may stimulate restless thinking and in this way prevent a insomniac or difficult sleeper from getting to sleep easily. Just an intuitive (CS) thought... Dan Faith Saint Francis faithstfran...@hotmail.com 12/5/2005 6:30:37 PM Hi Forum! I asked a question about CS before sleeping .. if it disturbs the normal sleeping cycle .. and did not get any reaction? Mebbe now I will? FSF -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA warning
Sol, This maybe true, and hopefully is; but what are they basing this recall on... batches at the plant before being shipped. Guess I'm becoming more and more skeptically about things. connie On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 15:59:06 -0700 sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com writes: Folks, every once in a while the FDA does what it is supposed to do. sol FDA Press Release This listserv covers mainly Class I (life-threatening) recalls. A complete listing of recalls can be found in the FDA Enforcement Report at: http://www.fda.gov/opacom/Enforce.html FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE P05-95 December 6, 2005Media Inquiries: Rae Jones, 301-827-6242 Consumer Inquiries: 888-INFO-FDA FDA Warns Consumers About Unapproved and Bacterially-Contaminated Miracle II Neutralizer and Miracle II Neutralizer Gel Drug Products Use of Products Could lead to Severe Infections The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is advising consumers not to use Miracle II Neutralizer and Miracle II Neutralizer Gel products manufactured by Tedco, Inc., in West Monroe, Louisiana because the products are bacterially contaminated and have not been proven to be safe and effective. Use of these products could pose a risk of serious adverse events such as infections, particularly in children, the elderly, and individuals with weakened immune systems who are particularly susceptible to illness. We will not tolerate the marketing of products that use deceptive and untruthful claims to lure consumers into potentially dangerous situations, said Margaret O'K. Glavin, FDA's Associate Commissioner for Regulatory Affairs. We consider it a significant public health hazard when consumers are deliberately deceived into using potentially dangerous products that promise health benefits but deliver only risk of harm. Tedco, Inc., promotes Miracle II Neutralizer for ophthalmic use (in the eyes), including treatment of cataracts and pink eye, and as an eyewash. FDA requires that all ophthalmic products be sterile. Due to the substantial risk posed by non-sterility, Miracle II Neutralizer should never be applied to the eyes. Tedco, Inc., also markets Miracle II Neutralizer for other unapproved uses, including treatment of AIDS, cancer, Crohn's Disease, dermatitis, diaper rash, diabetes, ear ache, hemorrhoids, hives, gout, herpes, mouth ulcers, psoriasis, skin cancer, and yeast infection. The firm sells Miracle II Neutralizer Gel for many of the same unapproved uses, including diaper rash, diabetes, gout, psoriasis, and skin cancer. Tedco, Inc., promotes its Miracle II products with claims such as, Supreme technology has made possible for a perfect soap cleaner, deodorizer, natural insecticide and antibacterial product to be put on the market. This is the only product that is made in the world that can wash a newborn baby or clean up an oil spill and everything in between. Contrary to such claims, recent FDA testing of Miracle II Neutralizer and Miracle II Neutralizer Gel revealed bacterial contamination and poor manufacturing conditions. Although Tedco, Inc., has been advised by FDA of the contamination found in its Miracle II Neutralizer and Miracle II Neutralizer Gel products, the firm has declined to voluntarily remove the products from the market. A number of stores sell Miracle II Neutralizer and Miracle II Neutralizer Gel, and the products are distributed and sold worldwide and sold via the Internet. The products are packaged in 8 oz, 22 oz, and one-gallon size containers. FDA urges consumers, health care providers, and caregivers to cease using and dispose of these products and report any adverse events related to these products to MedWatch, the FDA's voluntary reporting program at 1-800-FDA-1088; by FAX at 1-800-FDA-0178; by mail to MedWatch, Food and Drug Administration, 5600 Fishers Lane, Rockville, MD, 20857-9787; or online at http://www.fda.gov/medwatch/report.htm. FDA's Recalls, Market Withdrawals and Safety Alerts Page: http://www.fda.gov/opacom/7alerts.html -- Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve - application how often? A little dot,not a thick plas...
that VCNO is the most effective thing he has seen for skin cancer; it actually kills it and it disappears in a few weeks. Would this, per chance, also apply to a mole that may or may not be cancer? I checked the references in Coconut Cures (Bruce Fife) P 13, Conrado Dayrit, in the Forward: My wife had a large, dark mole the size of a pencil eraser on her chest. Paul ... told her to apply... frequently to keep it moist ... once a day would correct, but would work better if she kept it continually moist. She applied every hour or two. As the days went by, the mole started to shrink and began to develop pores or tiny holes. Eventually it just fell off. (Lump on dog's head disappeared. Sores on other dog's nose healed.) p 164 Injuries, infections, growths (warts and moles), and blemishes of every kind ... warm oil first - put container in hot water until oil very warm (absorbed better). Work oil into skin. Keep continually on spot until healed with bandage, or apply frequently. Keep spot continually in contact with oil day and night. p 227 Moles Keep mole in constant contact with oil except to change bandage every day or two. If it takes longer than a week, remove bandage for one day to give skin rest. Continue six/one until mole gone. p 65 Cancer ... skin of people with hard crusty growths, scabs and moles became smooth and soft. Even precancerous lesions vanished with regular use. A man had several hardened precanceerous lesions on scalp, tender, slightly inflamed, never healed, persisted 3 or 4 years. Healed within a month with CO. A couple of dogs diagnosed with cancer became cancer free with CO in their food. Julie Figueroa grew up around coconuts, but never used because told it was saturated fat. Used hydrogenated oils. Moved to US, got cancer, all sorts of treatments, desperate situation. Went home to visit family. Read about CO research. Started taking. 6 mo later her doctors worried at her absence, wanted to test her. She was in remission and continues so. Used as preventative also. R -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSAluminum
One last thing: there has been some discussion here recently about aluminum. From education I garnered on this list, it occurs to me that even though aluminum is plentiful in nature, it may be that man-made compounds, such as the aluminum chlorhydrate found in some deodorants, has a toxic effect that the natural element does not have. Dr. Carey Reams stated that our bodies use a tiny amount of every mineral (sometimes only a few nanograms, sometimes only a few molecules), including aluminum and arsenic, but only in the salts state (what we call *organic*), not unnatural laboratory-created substances. __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve - application how often? A little dot,not a thick plas...
Apparently I missed something valuable. What's VCNO? Are you saying that coconut oil works in a similar manner to Cancema salve? Is VCNO a special type of coconut oil? If so, where does one get it? Would you kindly repeat information previously posted about the successful use of coconut oil (VCNO?)--I would greatly appreciate it. Jill
Re: CSskeptics
Jim, all, I would appreciate it if everyone would make it their general policy *not* to draw the attention of professional skeptics or debunkers to our list. We have nothing to offer them that they would consider valuable, nor they to us. Thanks for keeping us informed, Jim. Be well, Mike Devour list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAluminum
Terry Chamberlin wrote: Dr. Carey Reams stated that our bodies use a tiny amount of every mineral (sometimes only a few nanograms, sometimes only a few molecules), including aluminum and arsenic, but only in the salts state (what we call *organic*), not unnatural laboratory-created substances. Can you explain what is meant by this? The chemistry definition for organic means that it contains carbon, and the marketing definition means that it was raised using natural fertilizers and insecticides. In no case have I ever heard organic having a meaning that has anything to do with whether it is a salt of not. Also many laboratory created substances are salts, and most organic food contains mostly compounds that are NOT salts. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CScurad
My point is that the presence of a large amount of a substance near the surface of the earth does not have a necessary relationship to its toxicity. Iron is very toxic. When small children eat overdoses of ordinary multiple vitamins, they may die from the iron. I have yet to see an argument regarding aluminum that is convincing one way or the other, but I have not used it for cook wear for years. Yes, balance is the key. -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 8:08 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CScurad Jim Holmes wrote: It is found in the natural state as a compound; it is very active, and oxidizes immediately on exposure to air. Iron is very toxic too, and the plant is loaded with it also, but it is very rarely found in the metallic state. What's the point? Aluminum also oxidizes immediately upon exposure to air, so it ends up in the same form on the surface of a pan as it is usually found in nature. I also would not rate iron as very toxic, it is part of the hemoglobin that is in red blood cells and necessary. If one has to much it is toxic, but then that is true of most elements, balance is the key. Marshall
CS
I received the below from Jonathan Campbell. In order to save the list from any harassment from this person, I apologize for calling Jonathan Campbell, an Asshole, without admitting any wrongdoing in expressing that opinion. Jim Holmes -Original Message- From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:w...@cqs.com] Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:44 AM To: Jim Holmes Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials Mr. Holmes, Please send me your address so that my lawyer may serve you with a lawsuit. (You provided ample evidence of slander in your email message to me.) Alternatively, you may avoid legal action if you send a formal apology for your slander to the silver listserver (and to me, obviously) and provide evidence that you have done so. If you do neither of the above, I will find your address from public records. Sincerely Jonathan Campbell - Original Message - From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net To: 'Jonathan Campbell' w...@cqs.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:04 PM Subject: RE: Silver Testimonials Wow, this guy seems brain dead! He does NOT know high school chemistry, and is trying to impeach citations that do! Looks like he does not want any contrary information to what he is (being paid for?) distributing, whether it be the truth or not. There are many many errors and false statements in what he writes. Marshall Jim Holmes wrote: Hello listers, I sent this Asshole a simple quote of some current references, without comment, that had been offered by some of you. I made no editorial comment at all, and never said anything critical about his position, only offered some different data. This is his response. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:w...@cqs.com] Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:24 AM To: Jim Holmes Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials Look, this is getting ridiculous. Get the RTECS CD, or go to any public medical library and look at it, and get the citations yourself. The ones I cited are for METALLIC silver, not silver chloride or silver nitrate. Furthermore, anyone with any biochemical knowledge knows that silver is partially soluble in saline, acid, and base. It is not a noble metal like gold or platinum. Therefore it will emit silver ions in vivo (inside the human body) and ionic silver is cited to cause cancer. (A citation for silver nitrate is a citation for inorganic ionic silver. It makes little difference what the negative ion is - nitrate, chloride, etc. - because in solution the negative ions dissociate from the metal ion. This is basic high school chemistry.) Finally, the Silver Institute has been quoted as saying that metallic silver should not be ingested because having bits of conductive metal next to neurons and nerve tissue is not a good idea. Don't you understand? You are mucking with a sensitive, complex physiology, and you are putting a refined metallic substance that was never intended for consumption ever and was locked in the ground until people started using it for coinage into this complex system. If you know anything about homeostatisis, you will know that this is NOT A GOOD IDEA. Don't be stupid. Wake up. (And stop sending me emails. If I get anything more from you, I'll report you as a harassment spammer.) Westhofen M, Schafer H., Generalized argyrosis in man: neurotological, ultrastructural and X-ray microanalytical findings., Arch Otorhinolaryngol 1986;243(4):260-4 Our findings indicate that the affinity of silver for membrane and neuronal structures and the deposition of silver as an insoluble compound (Ag2S) induce the progression of clinical disease - Original Message - From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net To: 'Jonathan Campbell' w...@cqs.com Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:17 AM Subject: FW: Silver Testimonials -Original Message- From: Jason E [mailto:resea...@silvermedicine.org] Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:34 PM To: Jim Holmes Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials Hi Jim: I am aware of several studies done on metallic silver and human tissues that show metallic silver is not carcinogenic. Stating that AGNO3 and metallic silver are the same is not correct, in ANY sense. Furst and Schlauder, as an example, stated in 2003 that silver was not carcinogenic. The RTEC for silver chloride and potassium chloride, as another example, confirm that even silver chloride is non-carcinogenic. http://www.seabird.com/pdf_documents/msds_sheets/EMD-PotassiumChloride AndSil verChloride.pdf THe EPA and every risk study that I've viewed show no carcinogenic effect of isolated silver. As far as silver nitrate? I wouldn't allow this substance to touch my body. Take a look: http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0099.htm Kind Regards, Jason Jim Holmes wrote: Jonathan Campbell [w...@cqs.com], Has posted at his website that metallic silver is a Carcinogen.
Re: CS
Do you have any idea what he is claiming is slanderous? Sounds like he realizes he cannot win with merits to his position, so he is threatening a lawsuit to me. Marshall Jim Holmes wrote: I received the below from Jonathan Campbell. In order to save the list from any harassment from this person, I apologize for calling Jonathan Campbell, an Asshole, without admitting any wrongdoing in expressing that opinion. Jim Holmes -Original Message- From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:w...@cqs.com] Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:44 AM To: Jim Holmes Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials Mr. Holmes, Please send me your address so that my lawyer may serve you with a lawsuit. (You provided ample evidence of slander in your email message to me.) Alternatively, you may avoid legal action if you send a formal apology for your slander to the silver listserver (and to me, obviously) and provide evidence that you have done so. If you do neither of the above, I will find your address from public records. Sincerely Jonathan Campbell - Original Message - From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net To: 'Jonathan Campbell' w...@cqs.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:04 PM Subject: RE: Silver Testimonials Wow, this guy seems brain dead! He does NOT know high school chemistry, and is trying to impeach citations that do! Looks like he does not want any contrary information to what he is (being paid for?) distributing, whether it be the truth or not. There are many many errors and false statements in what he writes. Marshall Jim Holmes wrote: Hello listers, I sent this Asshole a simple quote of some current references, without comment, that had been offered by some of you. I made no editorial comment at all, and never said anything critical about his position, only offered some different data. This is his response. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:w...@cqs.com] Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:24 AM To: Jim Holmes Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials Look, this is getting ridiculous. Get the RTECS CD, or go to any public medical library and look at it, and get the citations yourself. The ones I cited are for METALLIC silver, not silver chloride or silver nitrate. Furthermore, anyone with any biochemical knowledge knows that silver is partially soluble in saline, acid, and base. It is not a noble metal like gold or platinum. Therefore it will emit silver ions in vivo (inside the human body) and ionic silver is cited to cause cancer. (A citation for silver nitrate is a citation for inorganic ionic silver. It makes little difference what the negative ion is - nitrate, chloride, etc. - because in solution the negative ions dissociate from the metal ion. This is basic high school chemistry.) Finally, the Silver Institute has been quoted as saying that metallic silver should not be ingested because having bits of conductive metal next to neurons and nerve tissue is not a good idea. Don't you understand? You are mucking with a sensitive, complex physiology, and you are putting a refined metallic substance that was never intended for consumption ever and was locked in the ground until people started using it for coinage into this complex system. If you know anything about homeostatisis, you will know that this is NOT A GOOD IDEA. Don't be stupid. Wake up. (And stop sending me emails. If I get anything more from you, I'll report you as a harassment spammer.) Westhofen M, Schafer H., Generalized argyrosis in man: neurotological, ultrastructural and X-ray microanalytical findings., Arch Otorhinolaryngol 1986;243(4):260-4 Our findings indicate that the affinity of silver for membrane and neuronal structures and the deposition of silver as an insoluble compound (Ag2S) induce the progression of clinical disease - Original Message - From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net To: 'Jonathan Campbell' w...@cqs.com Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:17 AM Subject: FW: Silver Testimonials -Original Message- From: Jason E [mailto:resea...@silvermedicine.org] Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:34 PM To: Jim Holmes Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials Hi Jim: I am aware of several studies done on metallic silver and human tissues that show metallic silver is not carcinogenic. Stating that AGNO3 and metallic silver are the same is not correct, in ANY sense. Furst and Schlauder, as an example, stated in 2003 that silver was not carcinogenic. The RTEC for silver chloride and potassium chloride, as another example, confirm that even silver chloride is non-carcinogenic. http://www.seabird.com/pdf_documents/msds_sheets/EMD-PotassiumChloride AndSil verChloride.pdf THe EPA and every risk study that I've viewed show no carcinogenic effect of isolated silver.
RE: CSdebunkers, etc...
Jim wrote: It is all gone away. Mike thinks that further discussion is not good for the list, and I agree, so rather than try to rebunk this debunker, I will focus my attention elsewhere. Just to be clear, I don't mind if anybody wants to post information of the kind this fellow provides. We're not here to hide our heads in the sand or to defend CS (or whatever we choose to call it) at all costs. One of the pre-requisites of participation in the list, however, is that you're interested in the subject and assume going in that our silver preparations are worth studying. I'm here to profide a reasonably safe environment for people to explore the topic of CS (and other things) without having to constantly fend off attacks by people who have already concluded that it is not of any value. I think, more than anything else, Jim and Mr. Campbell have demonstrated how ridiculous communications on the internet can be sometimes. A little injudicious temper goes a long way to defeating *any* possible effort to dialog. Be well, Mike D. list owner guy [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSAluminum cookware
Speaking of aluminum cookware, just try to find any. Uncoated with teflon, I mean. I am beginning to wonder if some of my problems are from nickel leaching from stainless steel, though I'm very carefu, never scour the pans, etc. I'd like to get an aluminum pan but can no longer find any. Most of the anodized ones I've seen all have teflon linings and I'd simply rather not use that. I haven't thrown out my pans that do have teflon, but I don't really see the need for it in ordinary saucepans. And none of it that I've had in any pan ever aged well. sol Jim Holmes wrote: My point is that the presence of a large amount of a substance near the surface of the earth does not have a necessary relationship to its toxicity. Iron is very toxic. When small children eat overdoses of ordinary multiple vitamins, they may die from the iron. I have yet to see an argument regarding aluminum that is convincing one way or the other, but I have not used it for cook wear for years. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS
Isn't there a silver list for children? (Grin) I thought there might be one set up. Oh wait. Sorry got that confused with the archives. E. -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:53 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Do you have any idea what he is claiming is slanderous? Sounds like he realizes he cannot win with merits to his position, so he is threatening a lawsuit to me. Marshall Jim Holmes wrote: I received the below from Jonathan Campbell. In order to save the list from any harassment from this person, I apologize for calling Jonathan Campbell, an Asshole, without admitting any wrongdoing in expressing that opinion. Jim Holmes -Original Message- From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:w...@cqs.com] Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:44 AM To: Jim Holmes Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials Mr. Holmes, Please send me your address so that my lawyer may serve you with a lawsuit. (You provided ample evidence of slander in your email message to me.) Alternatively, you may avoid legal action if you send a formal apology for your slander to the silver listserver (and to me, obviously) and provide evidence that you have done so. If you do neither of the above, I will find your address from public records. Sincerely Jonathan Campbell - Original Message - From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net To: 'Jonathan Campbell' w...@cqs.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:04 PM Subject: RE: Silver Testimonials Wow, this guy seems brain dead! He does NOT know high school chemistry, and is trying to impeach citations that do! Looks like he does not want any contrary information to what he is (being paid for?) distributing, whether it be the truth or not. There are many many errors and false statements in what he writes. Marshall Jim Holmes wrote: Hello listers, I sent this Asshole a simple quote of some current references, without comment, that had been offered by some of you. I made no editorial comment at all, and never said anything critical about his position, only offered some different data. This is his response. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:w...@cqs.com] Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:24 AM To: Jim Holmes Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials Look, this is getting ridiculous. Get the RTECS CD, or go to any public medical library and look at it, and get the citations yourself. The ones I cited are for METALLIC silver, not silver chloride or silver nitrate. Furthermore, anyone with any biochemical knowledge knows that silver is partially soluble in saline, acid, and base. It is not a noble metal like gold or platinum. Therefore it will emit silver ions in vivo (inside the human body) and ionic silver is cited to cause cancer. (A citation for silver nitrate is a citation for inorganic ionic silver. It makes little difference what the negative ion is - nitrate, chloride, etc. - because in solution the negative ions dissociate from the metal ion. This is basic high school chemistry.) Finally, the Silver Institute has been quoted as saying that metallic silver should not be ingested because having bits of conductive metal next to neurons and nerve tissue is not a good idea. Don't you understand? You are mucking with a sensitive, complex physiology, and you are putting a refined metallic substance that was never intended for consumption ever and was locked in the ground until people started using it for coinage into this complex system. If you know anything about homeostatisis, you will know that this is NOT A GOOD IDEA. Don't be stupid. Wake up. (And stop sending me emails. If I get anything more from you, I'll report you as a harassment spammer.) Westhofen M, Schafer H., Generalized argyrosis in man: neurotological, ultrastructural and X-ray microanalytical findings., Arch Otorhinolaryngol 1986;243(4):260-4 Our findings indicate that the affinity of silver for membrane and neuronal structures and the deposition of silver as an insoluble compound (Ag2S) induce the progression of clinical disease - Original Message - From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net To: 'Jonathan Campbell' w...@cqs.com Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:17 AM Subject: FW: Silver Testimonials -Original Message- From: Jason E [mailto:resea...@silvermedicine.org] Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:34 PM To: Jim Holmes Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials Hi Jim: I am aware of several studies done on metallic silver and human tissues that show metallic silver is not carcinogenic. Stating that AGNO3 and metallic silver are the same is not correct, in ANY sense. Furst and Schlauder, as an example, stated in 2003 that silver was not carcinogenic. The RTEC for silver chloride and
RE: CSAluminum cookware
-Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:47 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSAluminum cookware Speaking of aluminum cookware, just try to find any. Uncoated with teflon, I mean. I am beginning to wonder if some of my problems are from nickel leaching from stainless steel, though I'm very carefu, never scour the pans, etc. I'd like to get an aluminum pan but can no longer find any. Most of the anodized ones I've seen all have teflon linings and I'd simply rather not use that. I haven't thrown out my pans that do have teflon, but I don't really see the need for it in ordinary saucepans. And none of it that I've had in any pan ever aged well. sol I've learned to play it safe and happen to find me some Corning cookware. It is apparently rare nowadays to source it. I've looked everywhere, and oddly enough my mother found a guy selling used cookware at a flea market in really great condition. I now try using glass (pyrex?) as much as possible. Anything else I cook is in metal pots with porcelain coating. e. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS
It is all gone away. Mike thinks that further discussion is not good for the list, and I agree, so rather than try to rebunk this debunker, I will focus my attention elsewhere. Jim -Original Message- From: Ernie Patai [mailto:epa...@sympatico.ca] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS Isn't there a silver list for children? (Grin) I thought there might be one set up. Oh wait. Sorry got that confused with the archives. E. -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:53 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Do you have any idea what he is claiming is slanderous? Sounds like he realizes he cannot win with merits to his position, so he is threatening a lawsuit to me. Marshall Jim Holmes wrote: I received the below from Jonathan Campbell. In order to save the list from any harassment from this person, I apologize for calling Jonathan Campbell, an Asshole, without admitting any wrongdoing in expressing that opinion. Jim Holmes -Original Message- From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:w...@cqs.com] Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:44 AM To: Jim Holmes Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials Mr. Holmes, Please send me your address so that my lawyer may serve you with a lawsuit. (You provided ample evidence of slander in your email message to me.) Alternatively, you may avoid legal action if you send a formal apology for your slander to the silver listserver (and to me, obviously) and provide evidence that you have done so. If you do neither of the above, I will find your address from public records. Sincerely Jonathan Campbell - Original Message - From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net To: 'Jonathan Campbell' w...@cqs.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:04 PM Subject: RE: Silver Testimonials Wow, this guy seems brain dead! He does NOT know high school chemistry, and is trying to impeach citations that do! Looks like he does not want any contrary information to what he is (being paid for?) distributing, whether it be the truth or not. There are many many errors and false statements in what he writes. Marshall Jim Holmes wrote: Hello listers, I sent this Asshole a simple quote of some current references, without comment, that had been offered by some of you. I made no editorial comment at all, and never said anything critical about his position, only offered some different data. This is his response. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:w...@cqs.com] Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:24 AM To: Jim Holmes Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials Look, this is getting ridiculous. Get the RTECS CD, or go to any public medical library and look at it, and get the citations yourself. The ones I cited are for METALLIC silver, not silver chloride or silver nitrate. Furthermore, anyone with any biochemical knowledge knows that silver is partially soluble in saline, acid, and base. It is not a noble metal like gold or platinum. Therefore it will emit silver ions in vivo (inside the human body) and ionic silver is cited to cause cancer. (A citation for silver nitrate is a citation for inorganic ionic silver. It makes little difference what the negative ion is - nitrate, chloride, etc. - because in solution the negative ions dissociate from the metal ion. This is basic high school chemistry.) Finally, the Silver Institute has been quoted as saying that metallic silver should not be ingested because having bits of conductive metal next to neurons and nerve tissue is not a good idea. Don't you understand? You are mucking with a sensitive, complex physiology, and you are putting a refined metallic substance that was never intended for consumption ever and was locked in the ground until people started using it for coinage into this complex system. If you know anything about homeostatisis, you will know that this is NOT A GOOD IDEA. Don't be stupid. Wake up. (And stop sending me emails. If I get anything more from you, I'll report you as a harassment spammer.) Westhofen M, Schafer H., Generalized argyrosis in man: neurotological, ultrastructural and X-ray microanalytical findings., Arch Otorhinolaryngol 1986;243(4):260-4 Our findings indicate that the affinity of silver for membrane and neuronal structures and the deposition of silver as an insoluble compound (Ag2S) induce the progression of clinical disease - Original Message - From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net To: 'Jonathan Campbell' w...@cqs.com Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:17 AM Subject: FW: Silver Testimonials -Original Message- From: Jason E [mailto:resea...@silvermedicine.org] Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:34 PM To: Jim Holmes Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials Hi Jim:
RE: CSAluminum cookware
I do not use Teflon. My understanding is that when it is heated very hot, it breaks down to yield Sarannerve gas. -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:47 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSAluminum cookware Speaking of aluminum cookware, just try to find any. Uncoated with teflon, I mean. I am beginning to wonder if some of my problems are from nickel leaching from stainless steel, though I'm very carefu, never scour the pans, etc. I'd like to get an aluminum pan but can no longer find any. Most of the anodized ones I've seen all have teflon linings and I'd simply rather not use that. I haven't thrown out my pans that do have teflon, but I don't really see the need for it in ordinary saucepans. And none of it that I've had in any pan ever aged well. sol Jim Holmes wrote: My point is that the presence of a large amount of a substance near the surface of the earth does not have a necessary relationship to its toxicity. Iron is very toxic. When small children eat overdoses of ordinary multiple vitamins, they may die from the iron. I have yet to see an argument regarding aluminum that is convincing one way or the other, but I have not used it for cook wear for years. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSskeptics
Sorry Mike. Will do. I'm not sure what this fellow is. I have a tendency to want to expose disinformation, although sometimes I am tilting at windmills. Jim -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:44 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSskeptics Jim, all, I would appreciate it if everyone would make it their general policy *not* to draw the attention of professional skeptics or debunkers to our list. We have nothing to offer them that they would consider valuable, nor they to us. Thanks for keeping us informed, Jim. Be well, Mike Devour list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS
-Original Message- From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:w...@cqs.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:38 PM To: Jim Holmes Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials Thank you. Regards Jonathan P.S. Now, if you would please do me the service of telling me why on earth, after I have personally seen serious immunological harm done to my client with hepatitis by his taking colloidal silver, I should feel positive about this product. Or maybe you might just admit that the information on my website regarding this product might be accurate. I assume you did not post this negative testimonial of the product on the silver list. That would probably get you expelled. - Original Message - From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com; 'Jonathan Campbell' w...@cqs.com Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:26 PM Subject: FW: Silver Testimonials I received the below from Jonathan Campbell. In order to save the list from any harassment from this person, I apologize for calling Jonathan Campbell, an Asshole, without admitting any wrongdoing in expressing that opinion. Jim Holmes -Original Message- From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:w...@cqs.com] Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:44 AM To: Jim Holmes Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials Mr. Holmes, Please send me your address so that my lawyer may serve you with a lawsuit. (You provided ample evidence of slander in your email message to me.) Alternatively, you may avoid legal action if you send a formal apology for your slander to the silver listserver (and to me, obviously) and provide evidence that you have done so. If you do neither of the above, I will find your address from public records. Sincerely Jonathan Campbell - Original Message - From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net To: 'Jonathan Campbell' w...@cqs.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:04 PM Subject: RE: Silver Testimonials Wow, this guy seems brain dead! He does NOT know high school chemistry, and is trying to impeach citations that do! Looks like he does not want any contrary information to what he is (being paid for?) distributing, whether it be the truth or not. There are many many errors and false statements in what he writes. Marshall Jim Holmes wrote: Hello listers, I sent this Asshole a simple quote of some current references, without comment, that had been offered by some of you. I made no editorial comment at all, and never said anything critical about his position, only offered some different data. This is his response. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:w...@cqs.com] Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:24 AM To: Jim Holmes Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials Look, this is getting ridiculous. Get the RTECS CD, or go to any public medical library and look at it, and get the citations yourself. The ones I cited are for METALLIC silver, not silver chloride or silver nitrate. Furthermore, anyone with any biochemical knowledge knows that silver is partially soluble in saline, acid, and base. It is not a noble metal like gold or platinum. Therefore it will emit silver ions in vivo (inside the human body) and ionic silver is cited to cause cancer. (A citation for silver nitrate is a citation for inorganic ionic silver. It makes little difference what the negative ion is - nitrate, chloride, etc. - because in solution the negative ions dissociate from the metal ion. This is basic high school chemistry.) Finally, the Silver Institute has been quoted as saying that metallic silver should not be ingested because having bits of conductive metal next to neurons and nerve tissue is not a good idea. Don't you understand? You are mucking with a sensitive, complex physiology, and you are putting a refined metallic substance that was never intended for consumption ever and was locked in the ground until people started using it for coinage into this complex system. If you know anything about homeostatisis, you will know that this is NOT A GOOD IDEA. Don't be stupid. Wake up. (And stop sending me emails. If I get anything more from you, I'll report you as a harassment spammer.) Westhofen M, Schafer H., Generalized argyrosis in man: neurotological, ultrastructural and X-ray microanalytical findings., Arch Otorhinolaryngol 1986;243(4):260-4 Our findings indicate that the affinity of silver for membrane and neuronal structures and the deposition of silver as an insoluble compound (Ag2S) induce the progression of clinical disease - Original Message - From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net To: 'Jonathan Campbell' w...@cqs.com Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:17 AM Subject: FW: Silver Testimonials -Original Message- From: Jason E [mailto:resea...@silvermedicine.org] Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:34 PM To: Jim Holmes Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials Hi Jim: I am aware of several studies done on
CSThat one guy
Geez Jim from the looks of it you were right all along. Kel -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSAluminum cookware
Is there any information out there to support this claim? Not to have doubt, I'm just very curious. E, -Original Message- From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 6:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSAluminum cookware I do not use Teflon. My understanding is that when it is heated very hot, it breaks down to yield Sarannerve gas. -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:47 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSAluminum cookware Speaking of aluminum cookware, just try to find any. Uncoated with teflon, I mean. I am beginning to wonder if some of my problems are from nickel leaching from stainless steel, though I'm very carefu, never scour the pans, etc. I'd like to get an aluminum pan but can no longer find any. Most of the anodized ones I've seen all have teflon linings and I'd simply rather not use that. I haven't thrown out my pans that do have teflon, but I don't really see the need for it in ordinary saucepans. And none of it that I've had in any pan ever aged well. sol Jim Holmes wrote: My point is that the presence of a large amount of a substance near the surface of the earth does not have a necessary relationship to its toxicity. Iron is very toxic. When small children eat overdoses of ordinary multiple vitamins, they may die from the iron. I have yet to see an argument regarding aluminum that is convincing one way or the other, but I have not used it for cook wear for years. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSAluminum cookware
I do not have a hard cite. Here is what a search string, teflon+nerve gas yielded. http://www.ecomall.com/greenshopping/teflon4.htm -Original Message- From: Ernie Patai [mailto:epa...@sympatico.ca] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSAluminum cookware Is there any information out there to support this claim? Not to have doubt, I'm just very curious. E, -Original Message- From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 6:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSAluminum cookware I do not use Teflon. My understanding is that when it is heated very hot, it breaks down to yield Sarannerve gas. -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:47 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSAluminum cookware Speaking of aluminum cookware, just try to find any. Uncoated with teflon, I mean. I am beginning to wonder if some of my problems are from nickel leaching from stainless steel, though I'm very carefu, never scour the pans, etc. I'd like to get an aluminum pan but can no longer find any. Most of the anodized ones I've seen all have teflon linings and I'd simply rather not use that. I haven't thrown out my pans that do have teflon, but I don't really see the need for it in ordinary saucepans. And none of it that I've had in any pan ever aged well. sol Jim Holmes wrote: My point is that the presence of a large amount of a substance near the surface of the earth does not have a necessary relationship to its toxicity. Iron is very toxic. When small children eat overdoses of ordinary multiple vitamins, they may die from the iron. I have yet to see an argument regarding aluminum that is convincing one way or the other, but I have not used it for cook wear for years. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMS and CS
Rumsfields disease Excellent! -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 8:28 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMS and CS See if they are taking aspertame or neutrasweet. Most MS is actually misdiagnosed Rumsfields disease, and can be halted, or even reversed by discontinuing consuming this neurtoxin. Marshall Teri Johnston wrote: A good friend of mine asked for info about any alternative methods of treating MS. So, Terry C. I shared the two files you have in the folder you sent me several yrs ago (thanks again) is there any other things that anyone knows of? Is there anyone of the list who has MS and is treating it alternatively? TIA Teri -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/189 - Release Date: 11/30/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAluminum cookware
Try the local Goodwill, Salvation Army, or any thrift shop. Large flea malls are good, too. I usually look for cast iron, but I guess Aluminum caveats would be the same: check carefully for cracks, handle tightness, correct lid if any, not painted for use as decorationI always burn off and scour cast iron to get rid of whatever was on it, then re-season with Crisco or Lard. broncomark --- The technical term jiffy is the name of an actual unit of time which is1/100 of a second. --- Mark Siepak, bro...@gtcinternet.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSGet rid of Aluminum
In answer to the thread (Sol, Jim Holmes): Our rule of thumb at home is: Get Rid Of ALUMINUM. We changed (at a high investment) for stainless steel. See the point is (and correct me if I'm wrong) that aluminum accumulates in the system, and is hard to get it out again. The better the quality of your pottery, the less accumulation, but particles DO get there! The problems begin when you exceed certain limits of toleration, often AFTER YEARS AND YEARS of aluminum use. Then, it is very hard to pin point aluminum as the evil-doer. Just be careful, and maybe better follow the (not our) advice: Get Rid Of ALUMINUM. Faith _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSilver wire source
I ordered this and recieved it within two days and they are cheap too www.atlasnova.com Debbie
RE: CSAluminum cookware
Yup, You can start here: http://www.ewg.org/reports/toxicteflon/es.php Chuck Limit congress members to two terms--one in congress, one in jail On 12/7/2005 7:22:43 PM, Ernie Patai (epa...@sympatico.ca) wrote: Is there any information out there to support this claim? Not to have doubt, I'm just very curious. E, -Original Message- From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 6:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSAluminum cookware I do not use Teflon. My understanding is that when it is heated very hot, it breaks down to yield Sarannerve gas. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSDistilled Water question
Brand New WATERWISE 1600 WATER DISTILLER FILTER SALE Sale price: $218.99 I just purchased one of these to make my own distilled water...do I use my alkaline tape to test the water or just use it...I would imagine it would be better that the bottled water, being fresh and not stored in plastic for who knows how long. Thanks in advance debbie
Re: CSAluminum cookware
From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:47 PM Speaking of aluminum cookware, just try to find any. Uncoated with teflon, I mean. I am beginning to wonder if some of my problems are from nickel leaching from stainless steel, though I'm very carefu, never scour the pans, etc. I'd like to get an aluminum pan but can no longer find any. After roughly 30 yrs of warnings about the use of aluminum cookware, I could not bring myself to use it ever again. I remember how tomatoes or any other acidic food would yield a shiny pot ---before cleaning it, that is. That's when I realized where all the dirty aluminum went---right into the spaghetti sauce! So yesterday I went into one of the local grocery stores that caters to the Latino population in the nearby county seat. I was amazed to see a display of aluminum cookware. You're right, Sol; these pure aluminum pans haven't been on the market for a few decades. I'm sorry that I didn't pay much attention to it, all I noticed was a Spanish sounding name for the manufacturer. These pots and pans were in the aisle with the hispanic specialty foods, so maybe an ethnic market would be the place to look. But I'm still scratching my head over the idea that you'd actually WANT to cook with aluminum! Sharon -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAluminum cookware
You can find truckloads of alum. cookware at thriftstores. Someone else -a friend-mentioned that it's the acid causing foods that make aluminum a problem. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHow about Titanium Cookware
I was googlingteflon dangers i saw the side link for titanium cookware like sex one thing led to another. http://www.scanpancookware.com They sell titanium cookware.Click on the word Teflon. They claim the 20/20 interview was using higher temps that are normaly used for cooking.They explain how their cookware is made it uses PTFE as a nonstick surface its good up to 500 degrees F Its lightwieght is popular for camping too. This is the first i've heard of it,so research it some more.
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve - application how often? A little dot, not a thick plas...
Don't forget about DMSO and CS Nancy - Original Message - From: marmar...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:02 AM Subject: Re: CSCANSEMA Salve - application how often? A little dot, not a thick plas... In a message dated 12/6/2005 7:38:44 PM Central Standard Time, new...@aapt.net.au writes: (Bruce Fife just wrote to the coconut group that VCNO is the most effective thing he has seen for skin cancer; it actually kills it and it disappears in a few weeks. Would this, per chance, also apply to a mole that may or may not be cancer? MA -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005
Re: CSCANSEMA Salve - application how often? A little dot,not a thick plas...
Hi Grace1way, VCNO = virgin coconut oil http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/virgin_coconut_oil.htm Take care, V Apparently I missed something valuable. What's VCNO? Are you saying that coconut oil works in a similar manner to Cancema salve? Is VCNO a special type of coconut oil? If so, where does one get it? Would you kindly repeat information previously posted about the successful use of coconut oil (VCNO?)--I would greatly appreciate it. Jill -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
