Re: CS>Food Poisoning
Evening Brooks, Thanks for the comments and clarification. >> At 10:46 PM 12/19/2005, you wrote: I do not wish to be controversial, but would caution against, possibly, trivializing the dangers of botulinum-based poisoning. Possibly my message was in fact too strong. Seems we don't hear much about botulism any more. I remember a few instances of it in the news but this seems to have been a good many years ago. Likely this is one of the worst types of food poisoning. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE
I took 16- 20 oz. of my home made Cs for 2 1/2 years. When I learned about Sovereign Silver, I took 2 teaspoons four times a day. Now that I am about 90 % cured of my MS, I take 8 oz. of my home made in the morning and 2 teaspoons of Sovereign Silver two times a day.(MS is a virus and I would never stop completely) As far as the H2o2, I put 1 drop of H2o2 into 2 oz. of CS and let it sit for about 15 minutes. The H2o2 interacts with the silver and causes the particles to break up into much smaller particles, and more of it gets utilized by the body rather then just going thru quickly. Nancy - Original Message - From: Greg Ball To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:09 PM Subject: Re: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE Nancy - I may have missed this in another post, but how much sovereign did you take, and did you combine that with homemade? Also, how did you make your homemade silver? Lastly, why mix the silver with the H202? I have an ozone machine and can drink ozone water. Would this be the same because it ads oxygen? or is there something about the peroxide that's unique? Does it combine somehow with the silver? Thanks so much for sharing!
Re: CS>Cansema Paste - cansema wanna be ??
There are lots of "Cansema sites", but none are genuine. The ***original AO Labs sites,*** e.g. www.altcancer.com and www.AlphaOmegaLabs.com are still there, but "for information purposes only". None of the products listed are sold there, thanks to FDA. Alpha Omega Labs is *out of business* (at present anyway). If you find a site you think is genuine, please post the URL, or some people may end up at a "con-artist's" website. By the way, the following ingredients are not "similar to" the Cansema black salve. (Their herbalist ridiculed the idea of having "white flour" in the formulation.) Cansema black salve contains other crucially-needed herbs than the ones listed below. ½ cup powdered Blo! od Root ( Sanguinaria Canadensis ) ½ cup Zinc Chloride, crys! tals or liquid ½ cup common white flour 1½ cup warm water 100ml Chaparral extract or 100gm of powdered Chaparral ( Larrea mexicana ) Regards, Gunar - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:00 PM Subject: Re: CS>Cansema Paste - cansema wanna be ?? Group..all I did was google cansema recipe and found two sites..it's out there...debbie hotmail angelznest wrote: - Original Message - From: gmail angelznest To: Deborah Gerard Cc: angel nest Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 03:47 Subject: Re: CS>Cansema Paste - cansema wanna be ?? thank you for this list of ingredients.just curious - how does this differ from the "real" cansema ingredients? you say that this paste is preferred for melanoma - if that's the case, what is real cansema preferred for / most effective for then? thanks, angel - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 18:42 Subject: CS>Cansema Paste - Skin Cancer Treatment Cansema Paste - Skin Ca! ncer Treatment Cansema is a natural skin cancer treatment. The active ingredients of Cansema are zinc, bloodroot, and chapparal. It can be ordered from the USA... Click Here or from Alpha Omega Labs in the Bahamas... Click Here This is a recipe for a black paste very similar to the cansema. But this is a preferred paste for melanoma and all suspect skin cancer like lesions. This paste also has worked well for all manner of cancers provided that they have become exposed to or close to the surface of the skin. a.. ½ cup powdered Blo! od Root ( Sanguinaria Canadensis ) b.. ½ cup Zinc Chloride, crys! tals or liquid c.. ½ cup common white flour d.. 1½ cup warm water e.. 100ml Chaparral extract or 100gm of powdered Chaparral ( Larrea mexicana ) Pre-mix all but the water, thoroughly, before adding to the water. Using a stainless steel double boiler. Put in water, then stir in the other ingredients. Stir in well using a wooden spoon. Cook for thirty minutes over boiling water, stirring constantly. Application is much the same as cansema. Apply a thin layer ( 2 - 3 mm ) of the paste over the affected area and cover for 24 hours. Then remove the covering, but do not disturb the lesion at all, do not attempt to pull the cancer out at any time, it should fall out in 10 days or so. Some people with sensitive skin put vaseline around the cancer so that the paste d! oes not irritate the skin. http://home.bluegrass.net/~jclark/cansema.htm -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/207 - Release Date: 19/12/2005
Re: CS>Food Poisoning
Dear Wayne, I do not wish to be controversial, but would caution against, possibly, trivializing the dangers of botulinum-based poisoning. While your general comments relating to proper hydration...and especially hydrochloric acid levels appear quite valid, there is a MAJOR difference between the health dangers of botulinum and ptomaine-type digestive challenges. The potential lethality of botulinum increases by an order of magnitudesometimes.among populations of relatively healthy persons. It requires a VERY healthy, high HCL stomach environment to effectively combat a fulminating type Botulism. Among higher mammals, only members of the carrion consuming (primarily canus)ones, seem to display a very high degree of immunity to Botulinum's effects. I bring no doubt to bear upon the validity of your revelations concerning your friend, but am somewhat concerned over the possible tone your posting might leave among the less knowledgeable of the general list membership. Based upon personal research, peer-executed research, and witnessed phenomena I go on record as stating Botulinum is a VERY SERIOUS potential insult possibility to a VERY large percentage of the general populationwhen it does present. Additionally, we have never found either a prophylactic or cure that is superior to Colloidal Silver (even at 5 ppm levels).even without absorption or buffering agents as amendments. Please do not regard this post as a criticismbut rather a cautionary amendmentto your comments. Best Regards, Brooks. - Original Message - From: "Wayne Fugitt" To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Food Poisoning Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:43:06 -0600 > > Morning Carol Ann, > > >> Would it stand to reason that if Gatoraid acts as an absorbtion > >> enhancer of CS it would also do the same for the cause of the > >> food poisining, thus delivering the toxin faster into the > >> digestive tracts. >Generally, food poisoning is a non threat to healthy persons, > especially the few that eat and chew their food properly. ( most > do not, another subject ) > > Some doctors state that a healthy body can detoxify virtually all > food poisonings. > > With the proper digestive enzymes and HCL, food poisoning does not > have a chance. > > When the nitrates were taken out of the water, the number of cases > of food poisoning soared. > > Nitrates in the water serve a purpose, but the powers to be wanted > to take them out, of covert reasons. > > I know a person that is 69 years old. He hikes 15 miles per day and > can live on one pound of food per day, and never looses weight when > hiking for several days. He will leave for several days in the > back country with one gallon of water. > > He drinks water as he finds it, never using any method of > purification. He has been doing this for years and has never been > sick from water, or anything else. > > I asked him about blood reports and insurance. His answer was, > I have never been sick. I have no insurance. Think about how > much money he has saved over the years. > > This of course means he has never had food poisoning for any reason. > > Wayne > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10
Re: CS>Food Poisoning
Dear Wayne, I do not wish to be controversial, but would caution against, possibly, trivializing the dangers of botulinum-based poisoning. While your general comments relating to proper hydration...and especially hydrochloric acid levels appear quite valid, there is a MAJOR difference between the health dangers of botulinum and ptomaine-type digestive challenges. The potential lethality of botulinum increases by an order of magnitudesometimes.among populations of relatively healthy persons. It requires a VERY healthy, high HCL stomach environment to effectively combat a fulminating type Botulism. Among higher mammals, only members of the carrion consuming (primarily canus)ones, seem to display a very high degree of immunity to Botulinum's effects. I bring no doubt to bear upon the validity of your revelations concerning your friend, but am somewhat concerned over the possible tone your posting might leave among the less knowledgeable of the general list membership. Based upon personal research, peer-executed research, and witnessed phenomena I go on record as stating Botulinum is a VERY SERIOUS potential insult possibility to a VERY large percentage of the general populationwhen it does present. Additionally, we have never found either a prophylactic or cure that is superior to Colloidal Silver (even at 5 ppm levels).even without absorption or buffering agents as amendments. Please do not regard this post as a criticismbut rather a cautionary amendmentto your comments. Best Regards, Brooks. - Original Message - From: "Wayne Fugitt" To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Food Poisoning Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:43:06 -0600 > > Morning Carol Ann, > > >> Would it stand to reason that if Gatoraid acts as an absorbtion > >> enhancer of CS it would also do the same for the cause of the > >> food poisining, thus delivering the toxin faster into the > >> digestive tracts. >Generally, food poisoning is a non threat to healthy persons, > especially the few that eat and chew their food properly. ( most > do not, another subject ) > > Some doctors state that a healthy body can detoxify virtually all > food poisonings. > > With the proper digestive enzymes and HCL, food poisoning does not > have a chance. > > When the nitrates were taken out of the water, the number of cases > of food poisoning soared. > > Nitrates in the water serve a purpose, but the powers to be wanted > to take them out, of covert reasons. > > I know a person that is 69 years old. He hikes 15 miles per day and > can live on one pound of food per day, and never looses weight when > hiking for several days. He will leave for several days in the > back country with one gallon of water. > > He drinks water as he finds it, never using any method of > purification. He has been doing this for years and has never been > sick from water, or anything else. > > I asked him about blood reports and insurance. His answer was, > I have never been sick. I have no insurance. Think about how > much money he has saved over the years. > > This of course means he has never had food poisoning for any reason. > > Wayne > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10
Re: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE
I have a gallon sized generator from C. S. Prosystems. It will make 1 gallon of CS in about 10 minutes. I use an amazingly small amount of baking soda (2ppm) as a start. I know that most distilled water is slightly acidic, sodium bicarbonate raises the PH and also establishes a starting point to make the CS. I have sent samples of my CS to Old Bob for testing a few times, and I always get good results. I also had Terry Chamberlain make me a unit so I can make 12 gallons at one time. Terry recommends that you use some already made CS as a start so it does not take so long to make a batch of CS. I do that at times, but sometimes I again use the baking soda as the starter. To make the starter, I put about 1/8 teaspoon of baking soda into 16 oz. of distilled water (enough so my TDS meter measures about 100.) I put this into a 16 oz. bottle and Then I use about three or four full droppers of this solution per gallon of distilled water. Nancy - Original Message - From: "sol" To: Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 3:14 PM Subject: Re: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE > Could you tell us exactly how you made your homemade CS? I'd like to > know if my homemade is comparable to yours or not. > thanks, > sol > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>H2O2 and EIS
I would add a little more H2o2Yes, you can use the CS. It is better now than when you first made it if it is still clearing up. - Original Message - From: "Shelli" To: Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 9:50 AM Subject: Re: CS>H2O2 and EIS > Ok, I just tried adding a drop of H2O2 to my first batch of cs. I made it a > couple days ago and it started out clear but then turned somewhat yellow by > the next day. When I added the H2O2 it turned the cs brown. I tried adding > bit more but it didn't clear it. I'm not sure what to do now. Can I still > use the cs? Should I add more H2O2? > Shelli -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>RE: CS >To Nancy, second request
Hi sol. On another group Nancy admitted to using the cs pro for her home made. http://www.csprosystems.com/ They advocate using baking soda during the brew process and it produces 170 VAC at the electrodes!. IMO its a flawed cs gen. Sam L. --- On Sun 12/18, sol < sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com > wrote: From: sol [mailto: sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:00:04 -0700 Subject: CS >To Nancy, second request Could you tell us exactly how you made your homemade CS? I'd like to know if my homemade is comparable to yours or not.thanks,solNancy DeLise wrote:I must differ with you. It was my experience...I took my homemade CS (16-24oz. per day of approx 10ppm) for 2 1/2 years and got better BUT painfullyslow. People who have MS and started with Sovereign Silver saw results quickerthen I did with my homemade.For most uses everyday I would say 1-2 oz. of home made per day is great,and topically, there is NOTHING better...but for a disease ie: cancer, MS,lupus, fibromyalgia, Lyme, etcI would do Sovereign Silver (At least acombination of both home made and Sovereign Silver).Nancy-- Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain --The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.orgTo post, address your message to: silver-l...@eskimo.comaddress Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comthe Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down...List maintainer: Mike Devour ___ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com
Re: CS>Heating Colloidal Silver: COMMENT
While I do not, personally, encourage heating be executed by microwave use.our research has failed to reveal any measurable difference between CS made from convectionally-heated water and that produced from microwaved water. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. - Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Heating Colloidal Silver Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:43:27 -0500 > > All bets are off if you microwave it, I have never done any tests to see > if the microwaves cause higher aggregation then otherwise. If you have a > laser, then try heating it (the CS not the laser), then compare the > intensity of the beam in the unheated and the heated. If thye apprear > identical, then most likely there is little or no effect. > > Marshall > > marmar...@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 12/16/2005 6:30:49 PM Central Standard Time, > > mdud...@king-cart.com writes: > > > > It will not destroy the CS, but depending on how hot you > > heat it, could lead to increased particle size and lower > > effectiveness. The more yellow or color it has, them more > > likely it will be effected. > > > > Thanks for responding Marshall. It's perfectly clear CS, ppm level > > around 12. I guess that even if it's less effective, if it gets more > > into her that would be a good thing. Best way to do this in a > > microwave in a cup? Or on the stove in a porcelain tea kettle? > > MA -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>cs as an injection ?!?
First I would not use home made CS and second,I do not think I would add the sodium-chlorideWhy sodium? I do not believe it should be mixed with anything. The Argentyn23 which is what professionals use for IV's tells you NOT to dilute it with anything. Let us know what you do and what the outcome is Nancy - Original Message - From: Peter To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 3:58 AM Subject: CS>cs as an injection ?!? Oki.. My friend coming next week and his have injection for diabetes ! ! Going to mix cs with sodium-chloride ..(hope i survive) ! ? ! Just kidding !! Try to my WIFE ( lol ) he he ... /peter -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005
Re: CS>They say that colloid silver is bad
Paul they don't say CS is bad, they say any CS except theirs is bad. "There is no contest between our 5,000 p.p.m. to 10,000 p.p.m. solutions when compared against the 20 p.p.m. to 300 p.p.m. toy airplane silvers that are marketed on the Internet." They also mention ionic versus colloidal silver. Kel - Original Message - From: Robert Berger To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 4:31 PM Subject: Re: CS>They say that colloid silver is bad Peter, Their statements amount to the "green glue" that I avoided when walking in my cow pastures. Junk it! "Ole Bob" Peter wrote: They say that colloid silver is bad ? http://www.invive.com/ hmm.. ///peter
Re: CS>Cansema Paste - cansema wanna be ??
Group..all I did was google cansema recipe and found two sites..it's out there...debbie hotmail angelznest wrote: - Original Message - From: gmail angelznest To: Deborah Gerard Cc: angel nest Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 03:47 Subject: Re: CS>Cansema Paste - cansema wanna be ?? thank you for this list of ingredients.just curious - how does this differ from the "real" cansema ingredients? you say that this paste is preferred for melanoma - if that's the case, what is real cansema preferred for / most effective for then? thanks, angel - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 18:42 Subject: CS>Cansema Paste - Skin Cancer Treatment Cansema Paste - Skin Cancer Treatment - Cansema is a natural skin cancer treatment. The active ingredients of Cansema are zinc, bloodroot, and chapparal. It can be ordered from the USA... Click Here or from Alpha Omega Labs in the Bahamas... Click Here This is a recipe for a black paste very similar to the cansema. But this is a preferred paste for melanoma and all suspect skin cancer like lesions. This paste also has worked well for all manner of cancers provided that they have become exposed to or close to the surface of the skin. ½ cup powdered Blo! od Root ( Sanguinaria Canadensis ) ½ cup Zinc Chloride, crystals or liquid ½ cup common white flour 1½ cup warm water 100ml Chaparral extract or 100gm of powdered Chaparral ( Larrea mexicana ) Pre-mix all but the water, thoroughly, before adding to the water. Using a stainless steel double boiler. Put in water, then stir in the other ingredients. Stir in well using a wooden spoon. Cook for thirty minutes over boiling water, stirring constantly. Application is much the same as cansema. Apply a thin layer ( 2 - 3 mm ) of the paste over the affected area and cover for 24 hours. Then remove the covering, but do not disturb the lesion at all, do not attempt to pull the cancer out at any time, it should fall out in 10 days or so. Some people with sensitive skin put vaseline around the cancer so that the paste d! oes not irritate the skin. http://home.bluegrass.net/~jclark/cansema.htm
CS>Confusing CS vocabulary
Marshall, you said, The H2O2 reacts with the silver particles, producing ionic silver The final result is a mixture of ionic silver (hydroxide and oxide) and very small colloidal particles. If your CS has a large particle content, and overall exceeds some minimum level (something over 26 ppm), then when the large particles are converted to ionic, the ionic content can exceed the solubility of silver oxide/hydroxide, and will produce a brown sediment. If you have mostly ionic in which you already have brown suspension of the ionic precipitant, then that will be converted to 2 atom colloid, reducing the ionic content to under the solubility limit, and it all then dissolves and goes clear. Lets assume that after adding H2O2 you end up with 33% particle, and 67% ionic What this basically says is that it does not matter what the initial ionic vs particle content of the batch is These sentences are confusing. The H2O2 reacts with the silver particles, producing ionic silver It was ALL ionic from the beginning. Every silver particle had a charge. The final result is a mixture of ionic silver and very small colloidal particles. ALL the particles are ionic. The particles that are too small to be termed colloidal also have a charge so they too are ionic. What are you attempting to differentiate between? If your CS has a large particle content There is nothing in the solution but particles. What else could there be? ..when the large particles are converted to ionic The large particles are already ionic, they already have a charge. If you have mostly ionic I dont have MOSTLY ionic, I have nothing but ionic. ..that will be converted to 2 atom colloid, reducing the ionic content So are you saying that some of the ions will lose their charge? Lets assume that after adding H2O2 you end up with 33% particle, and 67% ionic So you are saying that 33% will not have a charge, and 67% will? What this basically says is that it does not matter what the initial ionic vs particle content of the batch is The batch is nothing else but ionic particles. None of the particles are without a charge. Can you use the same vocabulary that the rest of the scientific world does, so I can understand what you are saying? __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>They say that colloid silver is bad
Peter, Their statements amount to the "green glue" that I avoided when walking in my cow pastures. Junk it! "Ole Bob" Peter wrote: They say that colloid silver is bad ? http://www.invive.com/ hmm.. ///peter
RE: CS>Cansema Paste
Thank you Deborah. I did not previously see this post listing ingredients and measurements. Tel Tofflemire wrote:Yes thank you. I think everyone should make Black Salve, It works. I use this same ingredients list too, except I include Graveola, & Pau D' Arco powder in the cooking process, and add a small amount of CS after it cools to help keep it from spoiling. I store it in the refrigerator as well & in a tight sealed Qt. jar until I need some , I put in a Carmex size tub, as it takes very little to do the trick. I do not sell it, so don't ask. I only experiment . Big brother is watching us all. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ - Original Message - From: gmail angelznest To: Deborah Gerard Cc: angel nest Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 03:47 Subject: Re: CS>Cansema Paste - cansema wanna be ?? thank you for this list of ingredients.just curious - how does this differ from the "real" cansema ingredients? you say that this paste is preferred for melanoma - if that's the case, what is real cansema preferred for / most effective for then? thanks, angel - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 18:42 Subject: CS>Cansema Paste - Skin Cancer Treatment Cansema Paste - Skin Cancer Treatment - Cansema is a natural skin cancer treatment. The active ingredients of Cansema are zinc, bloodroot, and chapparal. It can be ordered from the USA... Click Hereor from Alpha Omega Labs in the Bahamas... Click Here This is a recipe for a black paste very similar to the cansema. But this is a preferred paste for melanoma and all suspect skin cancer like lesions. This paste also has worked well for all manner of cancers provided that they have become exposed to or close to the surface of the skin. ½ cup powdered Blo! od Root ( Sanguinaria Canadensis ) ½ cup Zinc Chloride, crystals or liquid ½ cup common white flour 1½ cup warm water 100ml Chaparral extract or 100gm of powdered Chaparral ( Larrea mexicana ) Pre-mix all but the water, thoroughly, before adding to the water. Using a stainless steel double boiler. Put in water, then stir in the other ingredients. Stir in well using a wooden spoon. Cook for thirty minutes over boiling water, stirring constantly. Application is much the same as cansema. Apply a thin layer ( 2 - 3 mm ) of the paste over the affected area and cover for 24 hours. Then remove the covering, but do not disturb the lesion at all, do not attempt to pull the cancer out at any time, it should fall out in 10 days or so. Some people with sensitive skin put vaseline around the cancer so that the paste d! oes not irritate the skin. http://home.bluegrass.net/~jclark/cansema.htm Best regards, Carol ___ Never Accept Only Two Choices in Life. The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same thinking that created them. -Al Einstein. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CS>Cansema Paste - Recipe
Hi Jonathan, For the welfare, safety and anonymity of all concerned your suggestion seems very reasonable. There is absolutely NO law that prohibits "recipes" in a public domain. Let the govt perps have a fit if they are monitering these lists because from what I can see there are no illegal ingredients...and as of today at least, we still have freedom of choice to to self-treat and make our salve. Carol Ann "Jonathan B. Britten" wrote: It would be a valuable public service if a precise recipe could be placed in the public domain. All ingredients are readily available, I think. JBB On Monday, Dec 19, 2005, at 16:52 Asia/Tokyo, Raine wrote: > The salve I use has the following ingredients; > > chapparal > bloodroot > galangal root > graviola > zinc chloride > lidocaine (for pain) > > -Raine > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Best regards, Carol ___ Never Accept Only Two Choices in Life. The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same thinking that created them. -Al Einstein. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CS>Cansema Paste
Amen. According the mainstream news reports, President Bush has admitted his repeated and willful violations of the law in ordering spying on American citizens; according to AP, the FBI admits that most of the more than 10,000 were not suspected of any wrongdoing. Only a handful of persons knows the true purpose of these illegal actions. I would go so far as to assume that every person on our list may be monitored by someone. When the truth finally comes out, there may be some changes in government. On Monday, Dec 19, 2005, at 22:07 Asia/Tokyo, Tel Tofflemire wrote: Big brother is watching us all. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Cansema Paste - Recipe
It would be a valuable public service if a precise recipe could be placed in the public domain. All ingredients are readily available, I think. JBB On Monday, Dec 19, 2005, at 16:52 Asia/Tokyo, Raine wrote: The salve I use has the following ingredients; chapparal bloodroot galangal root graviola zinc chloride lidocaine (for pain) -Raine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>They say that colloid silver is bad
They say that colloid silver is bad ? http://www.invive.com/ hmm.. ///peter
Re: CS>RE:CS colour
Well come to think of it Ole Bob, Ive felt the best Ive felt yet since drinking this brew. What is Harbor Freight, I assume thats in the States, I live in New Zealand. Cheers Kate At 11:04 AM 12/20/2005, you wrote: Kate, First question; do you have a digital multimeter in the electrical circuit? If not then you have no idea what is happening. They are available from Harbor Freight for $5.00. Get one and make some current vs time data plots and then I can help. When on another list back in 1999, there was as man who called himself "sourdough" and he brewed his CS until it was red. It was the only thing that would relieve the pain in his body. He had been seriously injured in a logging accident. "Ole Bob" -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>RE:CS colour
Kate, First question; do you have a digital multimeter in the electrical circuit? If not then you have no idea what is happening. They are available from Harbor Freight for $5.00. Get one and make some current vs time data plots and then I can help. When on another list back in 1999, there was as man who called himself "sourdough" and he brewed his CS until it was red. It was the only thing that would relieve the pain in his body. He had been seriously injured in a logging accident. "Ole Bob"
Re: CS>Argyria & nanosilver
Terry Chamberlin wrote: > Recently there were posts between Marshall and Ole Bob > concerning what causes argyria. Marshall posted > several websites to support the statements he made. I > looked over each of them. His points about argyria > being caused by ionic and not colloidal silver are > examples of the confusion that occurs repeatedly on > this list from using words with different definitions. > > I find a great deal of the discussion here to > sometimes be confusing because there have been no > agreed-upon definitions of the words we use, different > definitions are used than the rest of the scientific > world uses, and two people will be talking apples and > oranges without knowing it. > > I regularly see listers using *colloidal* as being > different than *ionic*, even though absolutely > everything we make is ionic. I would like to see a > description of how to make a colloidal silver with > electricity in which the silver particles do not have > a charge. IONIC means an atom or group of atoms that > have a charge. > > http://www.ozoneservices.com/glossary/i/ion.htm > http://herh.ednet.ns.ca/Teachers/FarrellL/AtomicTheoryFAQ.htm#10 > http://ic-www.arc.nasa.gov/ic/projects/remote-agent/activities/pofo/docs/Propulsion/1-what-is-an-ion.html > > Marshalls claim that only ionic silver causes > argyria and not colloidal silver is based on a > specific description of the mechanism of argyria that > he accepts as valid. After perusing the sites Marshall > posted, I could not find that description. The idea > that only ionic silver salts cause argyria after they > have reached the capillaries of the skin and are > exposed to sunlight (which causes them to darken in > color) has a logical sound to it, but it has some > difficulties. I so far have not been able to find any > medical resource that attributes the formation of > argyria to that mechanism. How about: http://www.thedoctorsdoctor.com/diseases/argyria.htm Argyria: the intradermal "photograph," a manifestation of passive photosensitivity. Similarities are demonstrated between the darkening of the skin and the darkening of a photographic film following light exposure. In both instances, colorless silver salts and compounds present in an inert matrix (collagen versus gelatin) are reduced by incident light to black metallic silver. This passive photosensitivity reaction leads to silver tattooing of the light-exposed skin and to photographic imaging in the film. Or: www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp146-c2.pdf and cira.ornl.gov/documents/SILVER.pdf The skin discoloration of humans with argyria may be caused by a photoreduction of silver chloride to metallic silver. > If only silver ions cause > argyria, how did the European Royalty get argyria from > ingesting metallic silver powder? What evidence is there that they did. Blue Bloods could mean a lot of things, and most likely has nothing to do with silver. > Marshall said, Can > you name any other form of silver besides a salt or > compound that can cause argyria and the process by > which it could do so? Well, metallic silver powder is > one. One possible explanation is that the stomachs > digestive acid converted some of the silver powder to > a silver salt. Since all ingested silver must pass > through the stomach and its digestive acid bath (which > apparently turns it into a silver salt), why would > ionic silver (which is all that we make) be > specified as the causative factor? If stomach acid > does not convert metallic/colloidal silver into a salt > form, how explain the argyria from drinking silver > powder? Can you cite an example of one getting argyria from ingested silver power? You can get it by breathing it into the lungs, that is proven, and also easily explainable since the body produces H2O2 which reacts with the silver and changes it to silver oxide and silver hydroxide which is then absorbed through the lung tissue into the blood stream. > And it completely begs the question of cases > of argyria caused by inhaling silver powder, or > applying silver compounds to the skin, sinuses and > other mucous membranes. Those all enter the blood stream as silver compounds, so there is no puzzle about them. > > > The medical establishment doesnt know what actually > CAUSES argyria, they only know what happens before it > appears (ingesting huge amounts of silver nitrate, > etc.). I have not seen a description of the mechanism > of argyria that is comprehensive enough to account for > all the various ways that argyria is contracted. I think they do. Can you give me an example that does not fall within the theory? Remember that silver metal WILL be oxidized to silver oxide and hydroxide in the lungs, so even with powdered metal in the lungs, we still end up with ionic silver in the blood. > > > We still seem to be differentiating between particles > of one size and particles of another by calling the > one colloidal and the other ionic, whe
CS>RE:CS colour
Hi there, Ive just made another bottle of CS, like I normally have done alot of times before, but this time the colour of the water is like a browny red colour, like rust. Any ideas? Still tastes the same. Kate -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Source for Black Salve
I've contacted my source and got permission to post her email address here; lizardha...@juno.com -Raine
Re: CS>H2O2 & CS
Hi Marshall, Well son of gun it worked. I had a jar of CS I had made. It was an old batch that was perfectly clear, then I added some water to it and ran the current through it some more and it turned golden and then got real deep yellow after a few days. Looked like apple juice. so after readnig the below I thought what the heck I'll put some H2O2 in there and see what happens. I put maybe a couple ounces in a quart jar that was 2/3 full a little at a time. and it is now almost perfectly clear. V > Yes. If your CS has a large particle content, and overall exceeds some > minimum level (something over 26 ppm), then when the large particles are > converted to ionic, the ionic content can exceed the solubility of silver > oxide/hydroxide, and will produce a brown sediment. If you have mostly > ionic in which you already have brown suspension of the ionic > precipitant, then that will be converted to 2 atom colloid, reducing the > ionic content to under the solubility limit, and it all then dissolves > and goes clear. > Here are some examples, asuming that you end up with 67% ionic after the > H2O2 is added: > Lets assume that after adding H2O2 you end up with 33% particle, and 67% > ionic That is quite possible since the ionic portion will be both silver > oxide and silver hydroxide, so if we end up with equal amounts of each > that will give 67% ionic. > Start with 35 ppm 90% colloid large particles 10% ionic color brown from > large particles and ionic silver precipitant, result 33% colloid small > particles, 67% ionic. Ionic content goes from 90% 35 ppm = 31.5 ppm to > 67% of 35 ppm = 23 ppm, and since the ionic content is now below 26 ppm > it all dissolves and the particles are small, so it goes clear. > Start with 42 ppm 60% ionic with colloid large particles color gold from > particles only the ionic is totally dissolved (ionic is only 25 ppm). > Result is 67% of 42 ppm = 28 ppm ionic, with the particles once again 2 > atom in size, so it goes to brown with the ionic silver oxide/hydroxide > precipitant. > What this basically says is that it does not matter what the initial > ionic vs particle content of the batch is, what matters is the total > silver content including both the ionic and particulate, and if that > amount is less than some certain amount (around 40 ppm?, then it will go > clear with H2O2, and if it is more it will go cloudy and brown. > Marshall >> By the way, I dilute and drink the CS that has turned >> brown from H2O2. (It's just CS with H2O2 in it.) >> Remember, it's almost difficult to make a toxic or >> dangerous CS, no matter what the color, if you are >> only using Fine silver and DW. >> I can brew 10 gallons for an hour during the summer >> (when the room is warm) and get crystal clear CS. If I >> brew it for 1-1/2 hours, it will be gold. That doesn't >> mean that it's bad or toxic CS, it simply means the >> particles are big enough to refract light, but still >> much, much smaller than the ground-up silver the >> European Royalty used to ingest. I have no hesitation >> to drinking yellow or gold CS (I've drunk many gallons >> of it), and have no reason to think it is in any way >> dangerous. I make a point of brewing clear CS because >> I don't feel that gold CS is more effective than clear >> CS, but gold CS does mean my silver wires are >> dissolving faster. >> If you are using DW and Fine silver and you get a >> colored or cloudy batch, don't fret, don't throw it >> out, drink it, use it, it's fine. If you want, dilute >> it before ingesting it (I personally don't bother), >> but don't fear it. >> It's not the occasional colored/cloudy/muddy batch >> that can hurt you, it's the consistent, regular >> ingestion of large amounts of brown or blackish CS >> over a significant period of time that MAY be a >> concern. The closest thing to an example of this is >> Stan Jones, who didn't even use DW. If it took him two >> years, drinking 8 oz/day of coffee-colored, >> chlorinated tap water CS, to get a faint blue around >> his eyes, how safe is yellow CS made with DW? Safe >> enough that I wouldn't even give it a second thought. >> The scientists have found that it is actually HARD to >> create argyria, that it takes HUGE amounts of silver >> compounds to eventually produce it. And what they have >> done is not in the same dimension with what we are >> doing. >> Let me put it more succinctly: >> If you were to brew CS using only DW and Fine silver >> wire, and you brewed it however long it took to get >> coffee-colored CS, it would still not be what Stan >> Jones drank, and I am very dubious that what happened >> to Stan would happen to you. Nevertheless, to stay on >> the safe side, here is the rule - follow this rule, >> and you won't go wrong: >> DON'T REGULARLY DRINK LARGE AMOUNTS OF COFFEE-COLORED >> CS. >> Anything else I consider to be safe, IMHO. >> Terry Chamberlin >> __ >> Find y
Re: CS>H2O2 & CS
Terry Chamberlin wrote: > "When I added the H2O2 it turned the cs brown." > > I have had both experiences of H2O2 making a batch of > brown CS turn crystal clear, and H2O2 making a batch > of yellow CS turn brown. I have no idea why those > different reactions. If I could be sure of how it > would work, I would use H2O2 to not only make clear > CS, but have added H2O2 in it, which would increase > its effectiveness. > > Anyone know why the different reactions? Yes. If your CS has a large particle content, and overall exceeds some minimum level (something over 26 ppm), then when the large particles are converted to ionic, the ionic content can exceed the solubility of silver oxide/hydroxide, and will produce a brown sediment. If you have mostly ionic in which you already have brown suspension of the ionic precipitant, then that will be converted to 2 atom colloid, reducing the ionic content to under the solubility limit, and it all then dissolves and goes clear. Here are some examples, asuming that you end up with 67% ionic after the H2O2 is added: Lets assume that after adding H2O2 you end up with 33% particle, and 67% ionic That is quite possible since the ionic portion will be both silver oxide and silver hydroxide, so if we end up with equal amounts of each that will give 67% ionic. Start with 35 ppm 90% colloid large particles 10% ionic color brown from large particles and ionic silver precipitant, result 33% colloid small particles, 67% ionic. Ionic content goes from 90% 35 ppm = 31.5 ppm to 67% of 35 ppm = 23 ppm, and since the ionic content is now below 26 ppm it all dissolves and the particles are small, so it goes clear. Start with 42 ppm 60% ionic with colloid large particles color gold from particles only the ionic is totally dissolved (ionic is only 25 ppm). Result is 67% of 42 ppm = 28 ppm ionic, with the particles once again 2 atom in size, so it goes to brown with the ionic silver oxide/hydroxide precipitant. What this basically says is that it does not matter what the initial ionic vs particle content of the batch is, what matters is the total silver content including both the ionic and particulate, and if that amount is less than some certain amount (around 40 ppm?, then it will go clear with H2O2, and if it is more it will go cloudy and brown. Marshall > > > By the way, I dilute and drink the CS that has turned > brown from H2O2. (It's just CS with H2O2 in it.) > Remember, it's almost difficult to make a toxic or > dangerous CS, no matter what the color, if you are > only using Fine silver and DW. > > I can brew 10 gallons for an hour during the summer > (when the room is warm) and get crystal clear CS. If I > brew it for 1-1/2 hours, it will be gold. That doesn't > mean that it's bad or toxic CS, it simply means the > particles are big enough to refract light, but still > much, much smaller than the ground-up silver the > European Royalty used to ingest. I have no hesitation > to drinking yellow or gold CS (I've drunk many gallons > of it), and have no reason to think it is in any way > dangerous. I make a point of brewing clear CS because > I don't feel that gold CS is more effective than clear > CS, but gold CS does mean my silver wires are > dissolving faster. > > If you are using DW and Fine silver and you get a > colored or cloudy batch, don't fret, don't throw it > out, drink it, use it, it's fine. If you want, dilute > it before ingesting it (I personally don't bother), > but don't fear it. > > It's not the occasional colored/cloudy/muddy batch > that can hurt you, it's the consistent, regular > ingestion of large amounts of brown or blackish CS > over a significant period of time that MAY be a > concern. The closest thing to an example of this is > Stan Jones, who didn't even use DW. If it took him two > years, drinking 8 oz/day of coffee-colored, > chlorinated tap water CS, to get a faint blue around > his eyes, how safe is yellow CS made with DW? Safe > enough that I wouldn't even give it a second thought. > > The scientists have found that it is actually HARD to > create argyria, that it takes HUGE amounts of silver > compounds to eventually produce it. And what they have > done is not in the same dimension with what we are > doing. > > Let me put it more succinctly: > > If you were to brew CS using only DW and Fine silver > wire, and you brewed it however long it took to get > coffee-colored CS, it would still not be what Stan > Jones drank, and I am very dubious that what happened > to Stan would happen to you. Nevertheless, to stay on > the safe side, here is the rule - follow this rule, > and you won't go wrong: > > DON'T REGULARLY DRINK LARGE AMOUNTS OF COFFEE-COLORED > CS. > > Anything else I consider to be safe, IMHO. > > Terry Chamberlin > > > > > > __ > Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for un
Re: CS>H202 & SILVER
Greg Ball wrote: > Hi all - I don't know if I'm getting all my messages because I think > I'm missing some info here. I would like to understand the H202 thing > better. Does everyone agree that H202 breaks down the particle sizes? > > Yes is does. > > Does it actually stop clumping, or is it doing something to the > individual silver particles? > > I believe it does exactly what the document I have posted here says it > does. > > Also, I think someone said 1 drop per 2 ounces of silver water. Is > this what everyone is doing - or are others using different amounts. > > That is about the amount I use. > > Marshall > > > > > > Thanks - Andrea > > - Original Message - > From: Betsy Coffey > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 4:01 PM > Subject: CS>product to nancy-web site to lea ann >Thanks Nacny. I guess I didnt realize that the > h202 > added was to break down the particles in the cs. I > > somehow thought that it was added as an extra > medicinal way to kill bacteria and fungi. The > product > I was referring to is called stomach rescue. Lea > Ann, > have you googled rarediseases.org for your friends > illness? > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for > discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: > http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: > silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: > silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are > currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
Re: CS>H2O2 and EIS
sol wrote: > Same here. Adding H202 to CS makes the conductivity dropped and the TE > increased. (though not always, I've seen it rise from H202---wonder if > the "age" of the CS has anything to do with it.haven't done the > experiments to check, my laser pointer died, and I haven't replaced it yet. > sol > That means that the colloidal portion is already very small particles, and most of the product is ionic instead of colloid. So when the H2O2 is added you are ending up with about 50% ionic and 50% 2 atom colloid which increases the tyndall.. Marshall > > Robert Berger wrote: > > > Hi Nancy, > > > > What magnification did you use to make your mesurements. > > > > When I took 2 ounces of 8.8 PPM EIS that had no T. E. in it even in a > > dark room and add th drop of H2O2 I find that a T. E. developes, and > > to me indicates that agglomeration has set it. > > > > This is most disturbing. One other person adds 4 cc of 35% to a quart > > of EIS. When I did that the T.E. less EIS developed a strong T.E. and > > has a haze to it. > > > > Something does not compute !!! > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>dercums disease and CS and lipoma and infrared and far infrared. CWD bacteria. Mixing topical preparations.
Hanneke, thanks for posting the link to that interesting site on Dercums Disease. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Dercums_Disease/message/11314 speaks about the Marshall protocol and CWD (cell wall deficient) bacteria, very small. I had just this evening (again!) been thinking of lipoma and the possibility that very tiny organisms were involved, so tiny that they haven't been caught up with by "ordinary" medicine. This article was therefore very timely. I have been wondering lately about the possibility of using Far Infrared against lipomas. I do now have a FIR sauna, and when I was first using it every day, felt that the lipoma was shrinking, certainly changing. After the first month, I reduced the frequency of sauna. If I had a small FIR lamp I would "shine" it on the lipoma site. I have bought an infrared bulb to put in a particular bulb holder in case that would be half way to what I really want, but haven't set it up yet. I noticed that Daddybob was using infrared on his daughter's wrists against Lyme. I'm not up on what infrared is supposed to do to the body as far as tiny invaders goes. But I think it would have to be a positive step. Hanneke, did you ever find a source of DMSO convenient to your home? The other day I was able to get some from a feed store made by Pharmachem, 6/70 Fison Ave West, Eagle Farm, Qld 4009. It was you who told me that the manufacturers in Perth had stopped making the brand I got before, so I have been very stingy with it in case I could never get another supply. However, now I have a brand new bottle so can be more adventurous. I would quite like to concoct a bacteria-vanquishing skin/tissue-penetrating liquid or cream to penetrate to the lipoma. I'm not keen on the antibiotics of the Marshall Protocol, but my instincts respond to what he says about these CWD bacteria. Being left with a persistent cough after catching some bug (having neglected rest and routines for a while) and wanting something to break up the mucus that seemed to be suffocating my chest, I concocted a preparation using tea tree oil, eucalyptus oil, a bit of lavender oil, CS, MSM, DMSO, and a premixed cream with guaifenesin as its main constituent. This is one I had made for treating FMS but left off after being away from home and breaking that routine, and stayed off while I played around with herbal concoctions, which you can't do on the guai protocol for FMS because of sals issues. I added coconut oil to make sure there were enough sals for the guai not to do its FMS job, as I wanted it wholly on the mucus thinning job. I applied to the whole body. That was probably far too much. I was quite warm after it, but I think two nights of that, using a lesser quantity the second night, did help my lungs to deal with their load better. I had been using the sonic mister to breathe in the CS mix, but after suddenly getting a terrible catch in the throat that made a choky kind of cough instead of a relieving cough I got nervous in case there was some mold or something, after someone's warning recently! That's where I'm up to with my mixing of potions. I have been thinking with great interest of someone's suggestion re putting some cansema in a coconut oil etc. base. I don't need to mix up my own cansema; the quantity of herbs I would have to buy is greater than I would need, and it is so easy to buy the ready made if I ever need another jar. The one I already have will be viable ten years down the track if needed, and one needs such a small amount. But if anyone has good ideas for a lipoma/bacteria-fighting mix, it would be interesting to see what transpired with the lipoma after some consistent application. (H2O2, iodine, CS, VCNO, . . .?) Hanneke, you might be interested in the Kokonut site at the moment, as they have some coconut oil at half price which, while it is fresh and made to their usual high edible standards, has an unusual taste so isn't being sold for eating. I got a five litre bottle so I could really splash it on my skin! When I had originally started using VCNO on the lipoma, I felt there was a change in the feel and size of it, but I didn't keep that up very regularly at the time. I wondered whether the VCNO, if it could penetrate to the fat cells of the lipoma, would kind of "dissolve" or "clean" them away. Regards Rowena However, I wouldn't want to be without CS to keep my immune system from being overloaded. My observation is that many Dercum's people do have a number of other health issues often auto immune system related. Hanneke ~ Australia -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: M
Re: CS>H2O2 and EIS
Robert Berger wrote: > Hi Nancy, What magnification did you use to make your > mesurements. When I took 2 ounces of 8.8 PPM EIS that had no T. E. in > it even in a dark room and add th drop of H2O2 I find that a T. E. > developes, and to me indicates that agglomeration has set it. This is > most disturbing. One other person adds 4 cc of 35% to a quart of EIS. > When I did that the T.E. less EIS developed a strong T.E. and has a > haze to it. Something does not compute !!! What doesn not compute? It is exactly what is expected from all the discussions and messages left here on adding H2O2 in the last 1 1/2 years. I believe it is explained in the link that I have posted here numerous times in the last 2 weeks. http://silver-lightning.com/theory.html#HP "There are a number of reactions that occur. H2O2 is normally thought of as an oxidizer, but it can act as a reducer as well. Also silver is considered a catalyst for H2O2, but in actuality gets directly involved in the reactions. The H2O2 reacts with the silver particles, producing ionic silver, a combination of silver hydroxide and silver oxide. This makes the large particles disappear, reducing the tyndall. However H2O2 also reacts with the silver oxide and silver hydroxide producing a 2 atom colloid of silver plus oxygen (and water in the case of silver hydroxide). Over time this 2 atom colloidal particle can end up being converted back to silver oxide and silver hydroxide, and so forth. The final result is a mixture of ionic silver (hydroxide and oxide) and very small colloidal particles. Thus if you add H2O2 to freshly made EIS, you can sometimes see the oxygen bubble off, and the tyndall may change significantly. But more importantly, the particulate portion of the EIS will go from being medium or large particles to many more very small particles, and the particle content will increase from a typical 5-15% to around 50%. If you have a strong tyndall from large particles, it will decrease, and if you have a weak or no tyndall it will increase with the formation of the 2 atom particles. This enhances absorption, as well as effectiveness. Note that it is recommended to let the EIS sit for 5 or more minutes if you do add H2O2 to it to let it stabilize." Thus for a near 100% ionic solution of silver, when you add H2O2 you can expect about 50% of the ionic to produce a 2 atom colloid, that is you end up with 50% ionic and 50% 2 atom colloid. The 2 atom colloid is where the tyndall comes from, and also presumably why the of the silver increases in it's effectivness significantly when H2O2 is added. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Hack Sale on spectrometer
Opps, sorry, I misread the email they sent me on that. :< Marshall Fred wrote: > Hi Bob, > > There is no sale on the spectrometers. OThere is a sale on reagents only. > > Fred S > bob smith wrote: > > > I get a server error message when I try these addresses. What is > > their price and is there another way of contacting them. Bob Smith > > > > > > > > - Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" > > > > To: > > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:34 AM > > Subject: CS>Hack Sale on spectrometer > > > > > >> Anyone wanting to measure silver content with a spectrometere might note > >> that Hach is running a 25% off till end of December on their DR 2800 > >> unit > >> http://www.hach.com/hc/search.product.details.invoker/PackagingCode=DR2800-01/PREVIOUS_BREADCRUMB_ID=HcBridgePageHcDRKDRTNTplushtm/SESSIONID|AmhYV0ZJeE1UTTBOREEwT1RBd01EUTBKbWQxWlhOMFRRPT1BVQ==| > >> > >> > >> Marshall > >> > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > . > >
Re: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE
The particles can be seen, but only as specks using a dark field mircoscope. That basically looks at the tyndall directly. To see anything with a normal microscope, and be able to discrern shape requires the wavelength of the viewing light to be shorter than the size of the particle. Visual wavelengths are in the range of 500 nm, and well made CS will be under 20 nm. Marshall Nancy DeLise wrote: > Unfortunately I do not know. The brother of a "friend" took it. He works > for the water department in a local community, but I do not know him. I > should have gotten that info at the beginning, but did not. I will keep > trying. > Nancy > - Original Message - > From: "Ode Coyote" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:57 AM > Subject: Re: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE > > >I suppose then, the question is, how do you make your home made? > > > > PS What sort of microscope can see particles? [ I've seen your > > micrographs. They're great and actually showed " colloidal particles" in > > the water not dissolved ions..but what instrument was used to take those > > photos?] > > Ode > > > > At 10:24 PM 12/15/2005 -0600, you wrote: > > > > >I must differ with you. It was my experience...I took my homemade CS > (16-24 > > >oz. per day of approx 10ppm) for 2 1/2 years and got better BUT painfully > > >slow. Thanks to this list, I learned about H2o2 and began adding it to > my > > >CS 1 drop 3% per 2 oz. of CS)I saw improvement much quicker...Finally I > > >learned about Sovereign Silver and with in months was very much improved. > > >People who have MS and started with Sovereign Silver saw results quicker > > >then I did with my homemade. > > >For most uses everyday I would say 1-2 oz. of home made per day is great, > > >and topically, there is NOTHING better...but for a disease ie: cancer, > MS, > > >lupus, fibromyalgia, Lyme, etcI would do Sovereign Silver (At least a > > >combination of both home made and Sovereign Silver). > > >Nancy > > >- Original Message - > > >From: "sol" > > >To: > > >Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:24 AM > > >Subject: Re: CS>HOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE > > > > > > > > > > That is really interesting. I had thought the general idea was one > would > > > > have to use more of our homemade to "be as effective as" the SS. > > > > thanks, > > > > sol > > > > > > > > Ode Coyote wrote: > > > > > > > > > No difference at all includes observations on effectiveness per > amount > > > > > used. > > > > > Of course, using more becomes quite affordable. > > > > > Ode > > > > > > > > > > At 10:08 AM 12/14/2005 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Even if there was a difference, since SS recommends tiny dosages, > > > > >> couldn't Silverpuppy and Silvergen users just drink more? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > > > > > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/204 - Release Date: > 12/15/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > >Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/200 - Release Date: > 12/14/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > >Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13 - Release Date: 12/14/2005 > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1 - Release Date: 12/15/2005 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 > > > >
Re: CS>Heating Colloidal Silver
All bets are off if you microwave it, I have never done any tests to see if the microwaves cause higher aggregation then otherwise. If you have a laser, then try heating it (the CS not the laser), then compare the intensity of the beam in the unheated and the heated. If thye apprear identical, then most likely there is little or no effect. Marshall marmar...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/16/2005 6:30:49 PM Central Standard Time, > mdud...@king-cart.com writes: > > It will not destroy the CS, but depending on how hot you > heat it, could lead to increased particle size and lower > effectiveness. The more yellow or color it has, them more > likely it will be effected. > > Thanks for responding Marshall. It's perfectly clear CS, ppm level > around 12. I guess that even if it's less effective, if it gets more > into her that would be a good thing. Best way to do this in a > microwave in a cup? Or on the stove in a porcelain tea kettle? > MA
CS>Ionic silver
Greg Ball said, "What is EIS?" Greg, EIS is a generic acronym coined on this list that means Electrically Isolated Silver. It has value for referring to silver preparations made with silver, water and electricity (as opposed to chemicals), but can equally apply to the brownest, coffee-colored preparations as well as the crystal clear stuff. Because it normally utilizes DC electricity, it is ionic. Because it makes silver particles that are suspended in water, it is also colloidal. jr said, "Isn't an ion the result of an atom losing one of its electrons?" Losing or gaining. Positive or negative charge. Cationic or anionic. Because DC electricity causes the silver particles to sinter off the positive silver wire, attracted to the negative wire, our silver particles are always positively charged. __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Re: Argyria & nanosilver
Yes, or an atom can have an additional electron and be an ion; but the atom that is minus one of its electrons (or has an additional electron) could be bound to any size molecule and the result is still an ion. An ion is any atom or molecule with a different number of electrons than protons. If there is the same number of electrons as protons the negative charges and positive charges exactly cancel out and you don't have an ion. I'm sure someone will want to point out that the current theory of multiple subatomic particles makes this explanation oversimplified, but it works for me. Vince -Original Message- From: jrowland [mailto:sarongs...@cox.net] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 12:46 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Re: Argyria & nanosilver >...IONIC means "an atom or group of atoms that have a charge"...---Terry Isn't an ion the result of an atom losing one of its electrons? jr -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/05 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Cansema Paste
Yes thank you. I think everyone should make Black Salve, It works. I use this same ingredients list too, except I include Graveola, & Pau D' Arco powder in the cooking process, and add a small amount of CS after it cools to help keep it from spoiling. I store it in the refrigerator as well & in a tight sealed Qt. jar until I need some , I put in a Carmex size tub, as it takes very little to do the trick. I do not sell it, so don't ask. I only experiment . Big brother is watching us all. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ - Original Message - From: gmail angelznest To: Deborah Gerard Cc: angel nest Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 03:47 Subject: Re: CS>Cansema Paste - cansema wanna be ?? thank you for this list of ingredients.just curious - how does this differ from the "real" cansema ingredients? you say that this paste is preferred for melanoma - if that's the case, what is real cansema preferred for / most effective for then? thanks, angel - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 18:42 Subject: CS>Cansema Paste - Skin Cancer Treatment Cansema Paste - Skin Cancer Treatment Cansema is a natural skin cancer treatment. The active ingredients of Cansema are zinc, bloodroot, and chapparal. It can be ordered from the USA... Click Here or from Alpha Omega Labs in the Bahamas... Click Here This is a recipe for a black paste very similar to the cansema. But this is a preferred paste for melanoma and all suspect skin cancer like lesions. This paste also has worked well for all manner of cancers provided that they have become exposed to or close to the surface of the skin. a.. ½ cup powdered Blo! od Root ( Sanguinaria Canadensis ) b.. ½ cup Zinc Chloride, crystals or liquid c.. ½ cup common white flour d.. 1½ cup warm water e.. 100ml Chaparral extract or 100gm of powdered Chaparral ( Larrea mexicana ) Pre-mix all but the water, thoroughly, before adding to the water. Using a stainless steel double boiler. Put in water, then stir in the other ingredients. Stir in well using a wooden spoon. Cook for thirty minutes over boiling water, stirring constantly. Application is much the same as cansema. Apply a thin layer ( 2 - 3 mm ) of the paste over the affected area and cover for 24 hours. Then remove the covering, but do not disturb the lesion at all, do not attempt to pull the cancer out at any time, it should fall out in 10 days or so. Some people with sensitive skin put vaseline around the cancer so that the paste d! oes not irritate the skin. http://home.bluegrass.net/~jclark/cansema.htm
Re: CS>Cansema Paste - cansema wanna be ??
- Original Message - From: gmail angelznest To: Deborah Gerard Cc: angel nest Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 03:47 Subject: Re: CS>Cansema Paste - cansema wanna be ?? thank you for this list of ingredients.just curious - how does this differ from the "real" cansema ingredients? you say that this paste is preferred for melanoma - if that's the case, what is real cansema preferred for / most effective for then? thanks, angel - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 18:42 Subject: CS>Cansema Paste - Skin Cancer Treatment Cansema Paste - Skin Cancer Treatment Cansema is a natural skin cancer treatment. The active ingredients of Cansema are zinc, bloodroot, and chapparal. It can be ordered from the USA... Click Here or from Alpha Omega Labs in the Bahamas... Click Here This is a recipe for a black paste very similar to the cansema. But this is a preferred paste for melanoma and all suspect skin cancer like lesions. This paste also has worked well for all manner of cancers provided that they have become exposed to or close to the surface of the skin. a.. ½ cup powdered Blo! od Root ( Sanguinaria Canadensis ) b.. ½ cup Zinc Chloride, crystals or liquid c.. ½ cup common white flour d.. 1½ cup warm water e.. 100ml Chaparral extract or 100gm of powdered Chaparral ( Larrea mexicana ) Pre-mix all but the water, thoroughly, before adding to the water. Using a stainless steel double boiler. Put in water, then stir in the other ingredients. Stir in well using a wooden spoon. Cook for thirty minutes over boiling water, stirring constantly. Application is much the same as cansema. Apply a thin layer ( 2 - 3 mm ) of the paste over the affected area and cover for 24 hours. Then remove the covering, but do not disturb the lesion at all, do not attempt to pull the cancer out at any time, it should fall out in 10 days or so. Some people with sensitive skin put vaseline around the cancer so that the paste d! oes not irritate the skin. http://home.bluegrass.net/~jclark/cansema.htm
Re: CS>H2O2 and EIS
Add more to 'some' of it and see what happens. I would have thought 2 days would be enough time for stabilization. In your case, maybe not. Generally 6 drops to the quart is enough to clear color and that can take a day or so to complete. Using the CS shouldn't hurt anything. Ode At 09:50 AM 12/17/2005 -0600, you wrote: Ok, I just tried adding a drop of H2O2 to my first batch of cs. I made it a couple days ago and it started out clear but then turned somewhat yellow by the next day. When I added the H2O2 it turned the cs brown. I tried adding bit more but it didn't clear it. I'm not sure what to do now. Can I still use the cs? Should I add more H2O2? Shelli - Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" To: Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 7:19 AM Subject: Re: CS>H2O2 and EIS ## Using H2O2 at different times and in different amounts yields different results. 1] The tiniest amount in very fresh EIS will make it go milky white and a little more...milky brown with an eventual collection of gas bubbles on the sides of the container and slight clearing of the very heavy white or brown 'milky' TE Add even more and it goes clear again. Whatever change happens at this stage appears to be permanent until more H2O2 is added to clear it up. [ie "Browned" EIS doesn't go colorless if left alone] 2] H2O2 in well [time] stabilized colorless EIS has no apparent effect, though it may break up particles 'if' there are some biggish ones and change the TE one way or the other, depending. 3] H2O2 in a colored EIS will clear the color. TE may or may not be affected. What this tells me is that very fresh EIS [CS] , before the conductivity drop completes itself, is very different from stored EIS. The only thing I can think of that also may tie into conductivity drops during a stabilization period is that ions and anions take some amount of time to find each other and combine. If that is so, the chemical and catalytic properties of fresh EIS may well be changing as well and reacts differently to H2O2 in different amounts at different times. Granted, you can't have ions without anions and they are 'produced' simultaneously, but aren't they produced at opposite electrodes? Ions and anions would then be physical entities with a distance between them and a time element for traveling that distance. If left alone, they'll make the misnamed "ion cloud" with different appearing particles [golden on one side with black spot, white on the other with white spot... spots appearing at the points where such a "track" impacts the bottom of a container] appearing to come from one electrode to the other with nothing visible in between ["Ion tracking"] unless that portion impacts the container, in which case you get ,metallic silver plateout. Humm not very clearly stated... OK, Electrodes being close to the bottom of the container and no stirring being used and current density is high. Particle clouds form and sag downwards with particles streaming off and flowing down both electrodes, arching each towards the other electrode and hitting the bottom along the way. One electrode sheds golden particles and forms a black spot under it [silver oxides?] The other electrode sheds white particles and forms a white spot. [silver hydroxides?] In between the spots, no particles visible, but there is pure metallic silver plateout after a while. Apparently, in that zone, there are no oxides OR hydroxides...just pure invisible silver somehow. [ silver Ions picking up electrons from the glass and going metallic?..and if they DON'T hit the glass and plate out? Still invisible and still there.] Anyhow, it's obvious there are at least 3 different things going onin different places, each taking time, probably 4 and maybe more and some percentage of all of it drifting around in the water. If you mix everything up, [make it all drift] mutual targeting could be delayed and there could be 3 , 4 or more different unstable configurations and forms of silver, hydrogen and oxygen co-existing dynamically in the same area for some amount of time, going through different stages and sequences of getting together. Now, add an H2O2 radical wild card at different times to mess up the natural balance of yet to be married components and you get completely differing results at different times. Yea, I AM confused! Like herding cats by adding dogs, some you can see and others you can't... It's confusing! Ode the Whirlyheaded..honeymooning in a brothel in the dark? That 'works' just fine and 'what' does happen... you just don't know 'who' you're doing and when. Honey? Dat you? Why do you use different voices to say yes? At 11:29 AM 12/16/2005 -0800, you wrote: Hi Nancy, What magnification did you use to make your mesurements. When I took 2 ounces of 8.8 PPM EIS that had no T. E. in it even in a dark room and add th drop of H2O2 I find that a T. E. develo
