Re: CSFictitious person?
http://www.ursus.se/ursus/publications.shtml peter - Original Message - From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 7:46 AM Subject: Re: CSFictitious person? Bjorn Nordenstrom, M.D., is quite real, and a close associate of the remarkable Y. Omura, M.D. Nordenstrom is famous for his work on closed electrical circuits in the human body, and has used electro-therapy to treat cancerous tumors. I first ran across his work close to 30 years ago, in a science magazine aimed at the general public. NB Nordenstrom is one of the most prestigious advocates of Omura's Bi-Digital O-Ring method of applied kinesiology. Search some more. You'll find him, guaranteed. On Saturday, Dec 24, 2005, at 00:57 Asia/Tokyo, Terry Chamberlin wrote: I would like comments or references from anyone who can, regarding this information: Here is the quote: Dr. Bjorn Nordstrom, of the Karolinska Institute, Sweden, has used silver in his cancer treatment method. When I search for this doctor, I get a long list of Alternative Health websites who give this same quote, but no sources. When I look up the Karolinska Institute, it is there, but a search of their staff fails to show this doctor's name. When I search their website for any references to silver, there are 123 references to things having to do with silver (silver medals, silver jewelry, people who have silver in their name), but only one reference to colloidal silver, and it is the Rosemary Jacobs story, which is presented as a legitimate article. This site also contains many articles refuting alternative health, *natural* therapies, etc. Even info from Quackwatch is there. Terry Chamberlin __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSre: lung infection questions
## A productive cough is likely a good thing if not in painfully long spells. My ex once went into coughing spells so bad she'd turn blue and nearly pass out. No over the counters did anything, not even the Opiates...BUT.. one single toke of Pot and she was fine. It didn't even take another one later Ode. charles thomson wrote: to odecoyote/marshall dudley.you both gave me some good advice some time ago re: my wifes' chronic lung infection..she stopped using most of her presribed meds(it looked to me like they were killing her) and has been using a nebulizer with a cs solution of 5-8% with 10% dmso addedshe is much improved, both in health and attitude...currently she is having some trouble with a phlegm buildup and a sporatic cough..now the questions. is there info re:better results obtained with a stronger solution of cs and dmso...if so what were the strengths used she is currently using her neb twice a day...any suggestions thank you again for past interest and helpchuckl Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/photos/*http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph//page?.file=calendar_splash.html.dir=. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.5/212 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSre: lung infection questions
On Life in the ER a few nights ago, there was this lady that came in exuding a potent smell that nearly killed everyone in the ER. Turned out to be a third or forth metabolite byproduct of DMSO. According to that story, the normal metabolite of DMSO is harmless DMSO2, but when coupled with oxygen therapy it makes DMSO3 or DMSO4, a deadly nerve agent. She died. Everyone else got really sick for days. True? I dunno. It is, after all, a TV show. Ode Marshall Dudley wrote: charles thomson wrote: to odecoyote/marshall dudley.you both gave me some good advice some time ago re: my wifes' chronic lung infection..she stopped using most of her presribed meds(it looked to me like they were killing her) and has been using a nebulizer with a cs solution of 5-8% with 10% dmso addedshe is much improved, both in health and attitude...currently she is having some trouble with a phlegm buildup and a sporatic cough..now the questions. is there info re:better results obtained with a stronger solution of cs and dmso...if so what were the strengths used *Higher ppm of CS might increase it's effectiveness somewhat, as long as the particle size is kept down. As far as mixing with dmso, I need to defer to Brooks Bradley on that, he was the one initially reported the enhancement of this protocol by adding dmso, and would be in a much better position to give you an accurate answer. Fact is, the CS works so well, I have never personally needed to add the dmso, plus I am having a hard time finding it in my area.* *Marshall* she is currently using her neb twice a day...any suggestions thank you again for past interest and helpchuckl Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/photos/*http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph//page?.file=calendar_splash.html.dir=. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.5/212 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIonic vs Particulate
## Definitions? Ionic= Can't see it, contributes to conductivity. Can measure it with a meter. Particulate= Can see it as TE, doesn't conduct. Can't measure it with a meter. Colloidal= Can see it, Can't measure itdidn't settle out. Ode Dan Nave wrote: Read the following excerpt. I am certainly no chemist, but the explanation of the difference between the Ionic and Metallic bond may be the key to the distinction you are trying to make. (The colloids which we are interested in would consist of groups of metallically bonded silver atoms, I would think...) Dan http://www.answers.com/topic/chemical-bond CHEMICAL BOND, mechanism whereby atoms combine to form molecules. There is a chemical bond between two atoms or groups of atoms when the forces acting between them are strong enough to lead to the formation of an aggregate with sufficient stability to be regarded as an independent species. The number of bonds an atom forms corresponds to its valence. The amount of energy required to break a bond and produce neutral atoms is called the bond energy. All bonds arise from the attraction of unlike charges according to Coulomb's law; however, depending on the atoms involved, this force manifests itself in quite different ways. The principal types of chemical bond are the ionic, covalent, metallic, and hydrogen bonds. The ionic and covalent bonds are idealized cases, however; most bonds are of an intermediate type. The Ionic Bond The ionic bond results from the attraction of oppositely charged ions. The atoms of metallic elements, e.g., those of sodium, lose their outer electrons easily, while the atoms of nonmetals, e.g., those of chlorine, tend to gain electrons. The highly stable ions that result retain their individual structures as they approach one another to form a stable molecule or crystal. In an ionic crystal like sodium chloride, no discrete diatomic molecules exist; rather, the crystal is composed of independent Na+ and Cl− ions, each of which is attracted to neighboring ions of the opposite charge. Thus the entire crystal is a single giant molecule. The Covalent Bond A single covalent bond is created when two atoms share a pair of electrons. There is no net charge on either atom; the attractive force is produced by interaction of the electron pair with the nuclei of both atoms. If the atoms share more than two electrons, double and triple bonds are formed, because each shared pair produces its own bond. By sharing their electrons, both atoms are able to achieve a highly stable electron configuration corresponding to that of an inert gas. For example, in methane (CH4), carbon shares an electron pair with each hydrogen atom; the total number of electrons shared by carbon is eight, which corresponds to the number of electrons in the outer shell of neon; each hydrogen shares two electrons, which corresponds to the electron configuration of helium. In most covalent bonds, each atom contributes one electron to the shared pair. In certain cases, however, both electrons come from the same atom. As a result, the bond has a partly ionic character and is called a coordinate link. Actually, the only purely covalent bond is that between two identical atoms. Covalent bonds are of particular importance in organic chemistry because of the ability of the carbon atom to form four covalent bonds. These bonds are oriented in definite directions in space, giving rise to the complex geometry of organic molecules. If all four bonds are single, as in methane, the shape of the molecule is that of a tetrahedron. The importance of shared electron pairs was first realized by the American chemist G. N. Lewis (1916), who pointed out that very few stable molecules exist in which the total number of electrons is odd. His octet rule allows chemists to predict the most probable bond structure and charge distribution for molecules and ions. With the advent of quantum mechanics, it was realized that the electrons in a shared pair must have opposite spin, as required by the Pauli exclusion principle. The molecular orbital theory was developed to predict the exact distribution of the electron density in various molecular structures. The American chemist Linus Pauling introduced the concept of resonance to explain how stability is achieved when more than one reasonable molecular structure is possible: the actual molecule is a coherent mixture of the two structures. Metallic and Hydrogen Bonds Unlike the ionic and covalent bonds, which are found in a great variety of molecules, the metallic and hydrogen bonds are highly specialized. The metallic bond is responsible for the crystalline structure of pure metals. This bond cannot be ionic because all the atoms are identical, nor can it be covalent, in the ordinary sense, because there are too few valence electrons to be shared in pairs among neighboring atoms. Instead, the valence electrons are shared
Re: CSRe: Ionic vs Particulate
Definitions? Silver crystal= pure metallic silver, any combination of silver with anything else that's in suspension, not in solution. As in making rock candy. Once the solution supersaturates, crystaline sugar forms in the water. In our case, crystals would be silver hydoxide, various silver oxides and pure metallic silver with proportions of each dependent on how supersaturated the sol got , where and how fast. As with making rock candy and snow flakes, impurities can nucleate a crystal formation and provide a fractal patterning for the crystal to grow on and so replicate that pattern while increasing in size. H2O2 may well scavange that nucleus out, thus breaking the crystal apart...especially if the nucleus happens to be a silver oxide crystal growing a silver hydroxide and metallic silver coating. To back that idea up. IF the oxygen being produced is monoatomic and is made in the presence of H2O2, silver oxides formed there...and..silver hydroxides, would be stripped of thier oxygen componants and become shiny metallic silver snow flakes that grow bigger and bigger the longer the batch is run. My one time experiment showed exactly that happening...like a very pretty snow scene crystal ball from a souvenir shop. Ode Ode jrowland wrote: So I am still somewhat at a loss here as to what termnology to use to definitively seperate a molecular silver ion from a suspended silver crystalAny other ideas? How are you defining ' silver crystal' ? jr -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBook Report r.e. H202
## I do not believe that water and O3 will produce H2O2. Virtually all distilled water in the USA is heavily ozonated and I have yet to see it have the same effect as running CS batches in H2O2 contaminated water. Too much dissolved O3 probably will oxidize silver ions and I think I have seen this happen a few times when using extremely fresh ozonated distilled water, but it can be outgassed fairly easily. Using the same water after it was allowed to outgass solved the problem. O3, water and very strong UV light might make H2O2. Ode Jonathan B. Britten wrote: A quick book report: yes, it is a worthwhile read, with excellent references. A few key points: The doctor is very enthusiastic about the benefits of IV H202; he clearly hedges his bets about oral use. If one uses ingests the stuff at all -- he pointedly makes no recommendation about this -- it should be on an empty stomach.He does cite cases of users who have benefited from oral ingestion, but mentions various risks, including the one that concerned me: free-radical formation and resultant oxidative damage.This is most likely if food is in the stomach. I note that the Beck protocol recommends ingested ozonated water, which I understand to be water infused with O3, which then becomes H2O2.If there is any difference between ingesting ozonated water and ordinary store-bought H202, I would be eager to learn more. Thus far I understand that these are identical. The author emphatically endorses the use of H202 for dental use. I intend to reread the book when time permits. Thanks again. On Friday, Dec 23, 2005, at 22:37 Asia/Tokyo, Stuff wrote: You're welcome. I think that book should be on everyone's bookshelf..er, hard-drive. It'll more than likely come in handy someday. stuff At 11:05 PM 12/22/2005, Jonathan wrote: My goodness: a 173 page book, free with one mouse-click! Thanks for that. I notice that in the first chapter the doctor addresses my long-standing question about the conflict between H202 therapy and the free-radical theory of aging and cellular damage. That alone suggests this is a worthwhile read. Much obliged! On Friday, Dec 23, 2005, at 10:49 Asia/Tokyo, Stuff wrote: At 11:15 AM 12/22/2005, Kallie wrote to Pete: Check this out, Pete. http://www.h2o2medicalmiracle.com/H2o2MedicalMiracle.pdf stuff Have you looked into and can afford intravenous Hydrogen peroxide for your emphysema and cancer? For more information, do a google search on intravenous hydrogen peroxide -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSubject Matter
## 100% agreed and backed up by Franks tests. Ode Now for something about making your silver solutions. Using DWs with a conductance of 0.60 uS/cm and stopping at a current density of 2.5 mA/sq.in. the final conductance was 16.2 uS.cm and after 24 hours it was 14.7 us/cm and 14 days later it is 9.8 uS/cm. The ionic content as measured by my spectrophotometer is 8.8 PPM. If you subtract the original conductance then the actual conductance at day 14 is 9.2 which is remarkably close to the actual ionic content. It happens all ! of the time. Ole Bob No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12 - Release Date: 12/7/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMore on music for sinuses...
The following article jibes really well with the report we heard about last month about *humming* being an effective treatment for sinus problems due to the nitric oxide produced in the nasal passages. Mike D. From: http://seven.com.au/news/topstories/131126 Didgeridoo linked to sleep apnoea cure Date: 23/12/05 Didgeridoo sales may be about to boom after a European study found the instrument can cure the dangerous condition of sleep apnoea. Swiss researchers have discovered that playing the Aboriginal instrument reduces snoring and daytime sleepiness for those with obstructive sleep apnoea. The condition occurs when the airway is obstructed during sleep, and results in the sufferer gasping for breath, snoring loudly, snorting and constantly waking up. It carries an increased risk of stroke, heart attacks and high blood pressure. Swiss experts, after hearing anecdotal reports of how playing the didgeridoo reduced snoring, decided to study how it could be applied clinically. They studied 25 patients with moderate obstructive sleep apnoea and two with a snoring problem. Half the group were given didgeridoo lessons and asked to practise playing daily at home for four months. The other half were told they were on a waiting list for lessons. Daytime sleepiness and apnoea scores improved significantly in the didgeridoo group, the British Medical Journal reported. Partners of patients playing the didgeridoo also reported much less sleep disturbance. Larger trials are needed to confirm our preliminary findings, but our results may give hope to the many people with moderate obstructive sleep apnoea syndrome and snoring, as well as to their partners, said the researchers, led by Dr Otto Braendii, from the Zuercher Hoehenklinik Wald hospital in Faltigberg-Wald. Playing the didgeridoo requires a controlled breathing pattern, and researchers believe it helps to train the upper airways to combat the symptoms of obstructive sleep apnoea. Copyright © 2005 AAP -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCMOknot on finger
Some times a knot on hands or fingers is a GANGLION TUMOR (sp) ? I had one and they only remove them when they get in the way or are painful. It is hardly ever cancer. TeL Tofflemirre Dewey, AZ. - Original Message - From: Marshalee Hallett To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 11:08 PM Subject: Re: CSCMO Dear Marshall, I asked you before (quite a while ago) about the knot I`m developing on my left pinky, in the joint nearest the nail. Now it is twice the size, and is sore. The finger is gullwing-shaped now. Yuck. I think it might be Erosive Osteoarthritis, as the symptoms fit what the article on the `net of the Osteoarthritis site describes. It says EO appears in peri-and post menopausal women; well I`m 53 and in the first group... I do intend to order in some CMO, and will send you an update! Thanks for the helpful input!!! Marshalee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS and stomach bacteria
THERE ARE NO MICROBES INTHE STOMACH,THEYARE IN THE LARGE GUT. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: yeast
.Just one quick question...does colloidal silver kill yeast overgrowth..?Even if you continue to eat yeast productsBeer in perticular? If yes can you add some to the beer to kill the active yeast if any? cari -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour - Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year.
Re: CSRe: yeast
No cari , I do not think so 100 %, but KEFIR does. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ - Original Message - From: cari smith To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 8:53 AM Subject: CSRe: yeast .Just one quick question...does colloidal silver kill yeast overgrowth..?Even if you continue to eat yeast productsBeer in perticular? If yes can you add some to the beer to kill the active yeast if any? -- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year.
Re: CSBook Report r.e. H202
Hi Jonathan: I've ingested both H2O2 and freshly ozonated water; I wouldn't compare the two at all. O3 is very unstable. Even in distilled water, at room temperature, the O3 in fully satured water lasts for about 30 minutes. Hydrogen peroxide is not produced. Without the presence of other specific substances, the breakdown is: O3 --- O2 + O- The O3 is reactive, as well as the O- alot more reactive than H2O2. O3 is far more gentle on the digestive system than H2O2 ( I'm here talking about using H2O2 in water, not in silver, as it does not have the same effect ). Kind Regards, Jason Jonathan B. Britten wrote: A quick book report: yes, it is a worthwhile read, with excellent references. A few key points: The doctor is very enthusiastic about the benefits of IV H202; he clearly hedges his bets about oral use. If one uses ingests the stuff at all -- he pointedly makes no recommendation about this -- it should be on an empty stomach.He does cite cases of users who have benefited from oral ingestion, but mentions various risks, including the one that concerned me: free-radical formation and resultant oxidative damage.This is most likely if food is in the stomach. I note that the Beck protocol recommends ingested ozonated water, which I understand to be water infused with O3, which then becomes H2O2.If there is any difference between ingesting ozonated water and ordinary store-bought H202, I would be eager to learn more.Thus far I understand that these are identical. The author emphatically endorses the use of H202 for dental use. I intend to reread the book when time permits. Thanks again. On Friday, Dec 23, 2005, at 22:37 Asia/Tokyo, Stuff wrote: You're welcome. I think that book should be on everyone's bookshelf..er, hard-drive. It'll more than likely come in handy someday. stuff At 11:05 PM 12/22/2005, Jonathan wrote: My goodness: a 173 page book, free with one mouse-click! Thanks for that. I notice that in the first chapter the doctor addresses my long-standing question about the conflict between H202 therapy and the free-radical theory of aging and cellular damage. That alone suggests this is a worthwhile read. Much obliged! On Friday, Dec 23, 2005, at 10:49 Asia/Tokyo, Stuff wrote: At 11:15 AM 12/22/2005, Kallie wrote to Pete: Check this out, Pete. http://www.h2o2medicalmiracle.com/H2o2MedicalMiracle.pdf stuff Have you looked into and can afford intravenous Hydrogen peroxide for your emphysema and cancer? For more information, do a google search on intravenous hydrogen peroxide -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEfficacy of antibiotic treatment for Lyme disease
A search of Ask Jeeves brought tons of information about CMO, including this action brought by the Federal Trade Commission against the company making and distributing it. I am learning about CMO for the first time, because of the sharing comments on the Silver List, as I search for ways to help a nephew who almost certainly has Lyme Disease, although his allopathic doctors say he doesn't, because the tests they are using come back negative. CMO Distribution Centers of America, Inc. - Cmp ...this revolutionary new substance. * * * CMO. . . THE DISCOVERY. In 1971, the ... CMO is an immunomodulator, it regulates your immune... | www.ftc.gov/os/2000/05/cmocmp.htm | Cached | Save I figure the makers and users of CMO must be getting some good results, and being no longer beneath the radar, are getting the expected persecution and prosecution by the Feds, just as Dr. Lane did with his phenomenal Benefin shark cartilage results with cancer patients. How they drove him out of the business of producing that wonder product was very instructive! But they did not bother him until his product was successful and became well known. I look forward to learning more about CMO for the sake of my nephew and of friends I know with various ailments such as fibromyalgia, MS, and arthritis, which also are said to respond to the use of CMO. I am hoping List users will share what they know. Just e-mail me personally, if necessary, to keep the volume on a non-CS topic within reasonable limits. Thanks in advance! Marlys
Re: CSHeating Colloidal Silver
I wouldn't expect any direct effect to the silver particle because of the size. The wavelength of the typical microwave oven is 12 cm. Compare that to the average particle size of (insert your favorite made up value here) and it isn't surprising there is little effect noted. Until the conductor in question approaches 1/4 wavelength there is no significant interaction with the electromagetic wave. Any effect would come from the heating of the water. Disclaimer: Of course, this is only physics so any relation to the various metaphysical or astronomical manifestations people ascribe to the use of microwave ovens is neither suggested nor implied. George Ode Coyote wrote: If you make CS at over around 110-120 deg F. it's almost guaranteed to come up yellow. After it's made and sits around a while, it doesn't seem to care. If you freeze it, The particulates seem to form a column in the center and may drop out when thawed [never noticed drop out... or not] I was a little surprised to see no effect from nuking CS..[I didn't boil it] Ode At 09:43 AM 12/19/2005 -0500, you wrote: All bets are off if you microwave it, I have never done any tests to see if the microwaves cause higher aggregation then otherwise. If you have a laser, then try heating it (the CS not the laser), then compare the intensity of the beam in the unheated and the heated. If thye apprear identical, then most likely there is little or no effect. Marshall marmar...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/16/2005 6:30:49 PM Central Standard Time, mdud...@king-cart.com writes: It will not destroy the CS, but depending on how hot you heat it, could lead to increased particle size and lower effectiveness. The more yellow or color it has, them more likely it will be effected. Thanks for responding Marshall. It's perfectly clear CS, ppm level around 12. I guess that even if it's less effective, if it gets more into her that would be a good thing. Best way to do this in a microwave in a cup? Or on the stove in a porcelain tea kettle? MA No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS
Hi Marshall, Thank you for all the wonderful, helpful info you so generously share with us seekers together with the many other Experts! I believe that the 3.5% came from someone using the 35% food grade and diluting down 1/10 = 3.5% As a FL phamacist for 68 years, like you, I am only aware of the 3% USP H202 grade; the 6% cosmetic grade and the 35% food grade. Merry Christmas and a Healthy, Happy, Prosperous New Year to You and ALL! Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 58 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 http://www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 11:48 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Is there actually a 3.5% available? Initially I thought it was a mistype, but I keep seeing 3.5% in messages. All I have ever seen is 3% and 35%. Marshall Nancy DeLise wrote: The easiest and most precise is 3.5%. - Original Message - From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: RE: CS Can someone clarify for me the concentration of H2O2 to use when putting 2 drops in 8 ounces. Should it be 3.5% or 35%. TIA, Jim -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:23 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS At 09:53 AM 12/20/2005 -0600, you wrote: Please give me some clarification Is H2o2Topical Hydrogen Peroxide? I have heard of people putting Hydrogen Peroxide in the CSare they using Topical Hydrogen Peroxide that you put on external sores? ## That is correct..off the shelf 3%. Ode I start making my CS at home and have been drinking it for about 6 months...I feel that the CS goes through my body to fast too and would like to get a deep affect from the CS. ## Elimination rate IS quite fast..which also makes it very safe to use a LOT, like quarts even, at least for a while. Ode Thanks for your help Gwlynda -- From: Nancy DeLise [mailto:nancym...@prodigy.net] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 11:34 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE I took 16- 20 oz. of my home made Cs for 2 1/2 years. When I learned about Sovereign Silver, I took 2 teaspoons four times a day. Now that I am about 90 % cured of my MS, I take 8 oz. of my home made in the morning and 2 teaspoons of Sovereign Silver two times a day.(MS is a virus and I would never stop completely) As far as the H2o2, I put 1 drop of H2o2 into 2 oz. of CS and let it sit for about 15 minutes. The H2o2 interacts with the silver and causes the particles to break up into much smaller particles, and more of it gets utilized by the body rather then just going thru quickly. Nancy - Original Message - From: mailto:granb...@msn.comGreg Ball To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:09 PM Subject: Re: CSHOMEMADE VS. SOVEREIGN, LYME DISEASE Nancy - I may have missed this in another post, but how much sovereign did you take, and did you combine that with homemade? Also, how did you make your homemade silver? Lastly, why mix the silver with the H202? I have an ozone machine and can drink ozone water. Would this be the same because it ads oxygen? or is there something about the peroxide thats unique? Does it combine somehow with the silver? Thanks so much for sharing! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1 - Release Date: 12/19/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.2 - Release Date: 12/20/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.3/209 - Release Date: 12/21/2005
Re: CSRe: yeast
Can you explain...I get raw kefir from a source in michigan ,how much and should he be doseing through out the day.? Cari Tel Tofflemire telt...@cableone.net wrote: No cari , I do not think so 100 %, but KEFIR does. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ - Original Message - From: cari smith To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 8:53 AM Subject: CSRe: yeast .Just one quick question...does colloidal silver kill yeast overgrowth..?Even if you continue to eat yeast productsBeer in perticular? If yes can you add some to the beer to kill the active yeast if any? - Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. - Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping
Re: CSNiacian 6,000 mg hot pepper
Tel your post was interesting. Which VA do you go to? I've been going to the VA in Denver, Colorado and also the Satelite Clinic in Colorado Springs, Co. I've not had the best help at either place. They have been monitoring my High Cholestrol for a number of years and keep wanting to put me on some medication. I see no reason for my Cholestrol to be high and have heard that having high reading could indicate the body working on something. The side effects for the medication sounds worse then the problem and I do not believe I'm having any problem at all. I wished the VA would do a holostic approach to treatment; rather then the bandage remedy. connie
Re: CS**white diarrhea in a child??
The only time I have heard of white diarrhea was when my sister lived in West Texas and drank some water that was highly alkaline, runoff from Cinnibar (mercury extracted with cyanide) mines. They had to bring water in for any consumption, even teeth-brushing! Hope the young'un didn't eat/drink something nasty What would cause vomiting with white??(says the parents) diarrhea in a three year old? They tested for Hep, said it was negative. My husband is ill with his liver and I am afraid for him to be near them, it's his son's family. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIonic vs Particulate
Not at present. stuff At 04:34 PM 12/23/2005, Marshall wrote: Stuff wrote: Charged nanoparticle? stuff I had been using charged silver crystal, but that sounds good as well. What about the ionic part, any ideas on that? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS**white diarrhea in a child??
Thanks all for suggestions. I feared something very toxic she was exposed to. These are my step family and they don't really count me as a pertinent member of society so asking more questions is pretty much out of the question. --- Mark S. Siepak bro...@gtcinternet.com wrote: The only time I have heard of white diarrhea was when my sister lived in West Texas and drank some water that was highly alkaline, runoff from Cinnibar (mercury extracted with cyanide) mines. They had to bring water in for any consumption, even teeth-brushing! Hope the young'un didn't eat/drink something nasty What would cause vomiting with white??(says the parents) diarrhea in a three year old? They tested for Hep, said it was negative. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: yeast
RE: Kefir and overgrowth of Yeast, any amount will be helpful, and you can not over dose, (except maybe drown) My friend has trouble too and I have her make her own fresh every day, and she has grown fond of it and even though she is well now, she continues to drink the (waye) Kefir and eat the (curds) cheese daily. You can get Kefir seeds form Dom's website. (Click Below.) http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=KEFIRpage=1offset=0result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3Da82350578805ac0d%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery%3DKEFIR%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fusers.chariot.net.au%252F%257Edna%252Fkefirpage.html%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPIndex%26amp%3BampTest%3D1remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fusers.chariot.net.au%2F%7Edna%2Fkefirpage.html I make Kefir every day too, but I hardly can keep up with the ones who want it, I use Organic Milk. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. - Original Message - From: cari smith To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: yeast Can you explain...I get raw kefir from a source in michigan ,how much and should he be doseing through out the day.? Cari Tel Tofflemire telt...@cableone.net wrote: No cari , I do not think so 100 %, but KEFIR does. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ - Original Message - From: cari smith To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 8:53 AM Subject: CSRe: yeast .Just one quick question...does colloidal silver kill yeast overgrowth..?Even if you continue to eat yeast productsBeer in perticular? If yes can you add some to the beer to kill the active yeast if any? -- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. -- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping
Re: CSNiacian 6,000 mg hot pepper
I am so lucky I go to the Prescott, AZ. VA, and the Dr. did have and this one both graduated or at least studied under Dr. wield au. of AZ. and they have a twisted mind favoring natural curs, like: no smoking,no over drinking, no over eating, lots of exercise, and healthy eatingbut they do prescribe some drugs to some who want them, at least my VA Dr. does. My PA is also a supporter of naturals too, and that is who I see on my reg. 6 months check up. I had a very bad experience with Liportor, Zorcor, Baycol..all Cholesrtol meds...They took Baycol off the market. It was the worst and I have not had any since, I called Bayor inc. in Utah and told them and the told me to flush the pills down the toilet, and they sent my money back to me. So It been 8 yrs since I had a Drug for Cholesterol, and its about 150 down from over 300 8 years ago...but I lost some wt. and started eating better, and play Golf 3 days a week. Also like I said do 6,000 mg of Niacin, and 6,000 mg of Hot Pepper + Ginkgo Balboa 500 mg. per day split in am and pm dose's that all help make the blood slippery, and non clotting. Also a lot of Vit. C, E, (B-12 B-6 Folic Acid sublingul,) all the amino acids, msm, calcium, magnesium, potassium, omega 3 oils like fish oil, flax seed oil, lecithin, and others. That is a tip of my iceberg of Vitamins. LOL. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. - Original Message - From: Connie Howard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 11:41 AM Subject: Re: CSNiacian 6,000 mg hot pepper Tel your post was interesting. Which VA do you go to? I've been going to the VA in Denver, Colorado and also the Satelite Clinic in Colorado Springs, Co. I've not had the best help at either place. They have been monitoring my High Cholestrol for a number of years and keep wanting to put me on some medication. I see no reason for my Cholestrol to be high and have heard that having high reading could indicate the body working on something. The side effects for the medication sounds worse then the problem and I do not believe I'm having any problem at all. I wished the VA would do a holostic approach to treatment; rather then the bandage remedy. connie
CSRe: More on music for sinuses...
Hi There to you all - I would like to wish everyone on this wonderful list a very very Happy Season full of wonderful surprises, joys, good health and every thing one would wish for themselves.A very Abundant 2006 in every way. Thank you all for all the amazing input you all contribute so we can all become more knowledgeable !! Sincere good wishes to all Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS
Marshall said, .. I am still somewhat at a loss here as to what terminology to use to definitively separate a molecular silver ion from a suspended silver crystal. I still like the molecular ion, but maybe another good term would be a disassociated ion. Part of the confusion is also tied to the definition of *colloidal*. Dr. Carey Reams (physicist, biochemist) didnt limit the size of a colloidal particle to something unable to passing through a cell wall. He said that some colloids were so small they could pass through glass. Also, the concept that suspended silver particles are not utilized by the body or that ionic silver particles are argyria-causing to the body is irrelevant if silver particles are changed by the body into *ionic* silver by stomach acid, digestion, etc. But silversmiths who were exposed to metallic silver powder and either inhaled it or continually got it on their skin acquired argyria. Either the silver particles did cause argyria, or else the silver particles were made ionic by some metabolic function (digestion, etc.), which then caused argyria, or else more than one form of silver can cause argyria. In any case, argyria does not occur when silver particles (in any form) are nanometer in size. Dr. Robert Demling emphasized the point that, as silver particles become smaller, they operate in unique ways that larger particles do not. When you are discussing nanosilver, all the rules and concerns are different. Silver particles that are in a certain range of sizes are considered suspended in water, and we have called them *colloidal*. When they fall below a certain size, they are considered to be dissolved, and we have been calling them *ionic*. We arbitrarily label the first group *particles*, though they are all particles (using common scientific definitions), and the second group *ions*, though they are also particles, and both groups all have a charge (which is the common definition of an ion). Including silver nitrate into the group called *ionic* only muddies the water even more, because we have (inappropriately) been using that word to specify silver particles so small that there is no concern for safety, they are too small to be a problem. From a purely literal standpoint, silver-nitrate IS ionic because it has a charge (does it?), but that makes us need a vocabulary that differentiates between *good ionic* and *bad ionic*, and were already having trouble with *ionic* and *colloidal*. I have looked up the definitions of *dissolved*, *solution* and *homogeneous* (a word that is part of the definition of a solution). I have tried to find a clear description of the properties that would make a distinction between the two, but found it to be quite unclear. If the particles are bigger than a certain size, they are declared to be in suspension. If smaller than that, they are labeled *in solution*. I have repeatedly seen an (apparently) arbitrary measurement of a particle in *suspension* of .001 to 0.1 nanometers, with the inference being that a particle smaller than .001 nm is now in solution and no longer in suspension. Where did that standard come from? If a particle that is .001 nm is in suspension, why is a particle that is .000999 nm in solution? What is the difference between suspension and solution? To say that the silver is now dissolved into the water is a meaningless statement with out a clear definition of *dissolve* and *solution*. The dictionary says that it is *homogeneous*, another word with a vague definition. Argyria HAS been caused by metallic silver particles, i.e., silver dust. This is best demonstrated by the incidence of argyria among silversmiths, who are exposed to silver dust on their skin and inhaled into their lungs. This seems to me to rebut the idea that only silver ions cause argyria. I have repeatedly seen the silver-salt-sunlight-photo concept described as the mechanism causing argyria, but I do not think it is that simple. It would not, to me, explain silversmith argyria adequately. The evidence is strong that silver in ANY form is lethal to pathogens. The vendors who claim that one form or the other is not effective are either ignorant of the widespread experience of many, many people, or else they are being dishonest in order to promote their products. Since we know that, the smaller the silver particles, the safer they are (Demling), we have wanted to differentiate between the safe and the unsafe. I personally am not concerned about ionic or colloidal or particulate or whatever. If you dissolve/suspend pure silver into pure, steam-distilled water using electricity, and you dont brew it until its muddy, you will find it to be beneficial to your body without needing caution about using it. As far as safety is concerned, I think the only real consideration is particle size, although Demling also says that the smaller the particle, the more effective and stable it is. We have identified some of the factors that affect particle size.
Re: CSCMO
Maybe so, but well, I`m a Mormon, and we don`t drink tea!! :o) Marshalee Hi Marshalee, That might be from when you drink your tea with the pinky elevated it strains the ligaments and the hot cup cuts off the circulation to that finger :-) Take care, V Dear Marshall, I asked you before (quite a while ago) about the knot I`m developing on my left pinky, in the joint nearest the nail. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCMO
Hi Marshalee, LoL well thats good to know. I dont drink it either and certainly not with my pinky elevated :-) Take care, V Maybe so, but well, I`m a Mormon, and we don`t drink tea!! :o) Marshalee Hi Marshalee, That might be from when you drink your tea with the pinky elevated it strains the ligaments and the hot cup cuts off the circulation to that finger :-) Take care, V Dear Marshall, I asked you before (quite a while ago) about the knot I`m developing on my left pinky, in the joint nearest the nail. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --
