Re: CS>My Book

[Deborah Gerard]

Hi Debb...are you close to Michigan? It has been a hot subject with us down 
here our Governor is allowing, probably for big money, Canada's trash to be 
brought in and put into our landfills ...no offense toward you my dear...debbie

Debb Bos  wrote:   
 
  

  Hi Deborah I was trying to figure out what you are trying to say here?could 
you explain.?
  Debb   bosp...@shaw.ca
  S.Surrey BC Canada
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  I know where it is I live in Michgigan we get alot of your trash into our 
state...debbie

marmar...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/1/2006 9:54:15 AM Central 
Standard Time, dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com writes:
  Apparently, many Americans don't even know where *Canada* is exactly...
  I rather doubt that Dan.  But you are an expert at infusing negative energy 
into this list.  Why do you do that?MA

CS>Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: CS>Toothpaste

[Dennis Gulenchin]

Does anyone have any recipes for breath freshener that could be used to 
refill the little 1/2oz spray bottles?

Dennis.

Ken & Nancy Bagwell wrote:

Be careful, though. About half of their toothpaste products are not 
fluoride free, and all still contain sodium laurel sulphate, I believe.


I like Weleda brand very much, myself.  No fluoride or sodium laurel 
sulphate.


I actually have made my own mouthwash using 1 part vodka, 4 parts 
hydrogen peroxide, several teaspoons xylitol (to taste), and half a 
bottle of mint or peppermint flavoring.  Mix the flavoring with the 
alcohol first, then add the peroxide and xylitol  Taste great, totally 
free of unreadable chemical garbage, and I don't see why anyone could 
not use it as a "toothpaste", too.


-Ken Bagwell



marmar...@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 2/1/06 11:07:15 PM Central Standard Time,
billa...@verizon.net writes:



I found one at Wal Mart named Tom's of Maine that does not have
any fluoride.




Thank you for sharing that Bill -- I've been wondering if one
couldn't purchase a good toothpaste rather than using salt, baking
powder, H202, etc. MA





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RE: CS>Bob's Book A few Questions

[Jim Holmes]

BAN 9 VOLT BATTERIES!!!

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From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 7:11 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Bob's Book A few Questions

On 2/2/2006 8:56:32 PM, Stuff (st...@laguna.com.mx) wrote:
> Just to clarify things
> 
> If I remember correctly, voltage
> doesn't kill. It has to come with
> considerable amperage to do that.

Uhh, not really.
As little as 50 milliamps (.05 amps) can do the job.

Don't disdain the voltage either. It's the pressure that pushes the
amperage, and a 9 volt battery CAN provide enough voltage AND current
to be lethal under the right circumstances.


> I used to touch a very high voltage electric fence (thousands of
> volts) on the farm as a kid. I got a jolt. That's
> all.

Yup, not enough available current (by design) to kill.
> The capacitor is what holds the charge some time after a TV etc is turned
> off.
> 
> Don't know if a capacitor holds amps.

Yup, they do.
A charged cap is analogous to a battery .
Holds voltage AND amperage.

Chuck

> stuff


When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the 
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)



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Re: CS>Bob's Book A few Questions

[Dan Nave]

Yes, thanks Bob.

Dan



Robert Berger wrote:

Dave,
 
One must have the utmost respect for 15,000 volts !!!  The basic rule 
with high voltage is always keep one hand in your back pocket and then 
turn off the power BEFORE any adjustments or measurements.
 
If you are referring to the microwave power supply (3,500 v no load) the 
same rules apply but once the power is on the cell voltage drops to 
about 500 v and continues on down to as low as 100 volts.
 
Yes I use a PWT.
 
As stated the initial current is the determining factor as to the length 
of the brew cycle.
The initial current is a function of the conductivity of the DW. If you 
buy a large quantity of DW and hold it at normal room temperature the 
conductivity will slowly increase.
 
I work at about 68 deg F. in my basement. It adds stability to the DW.
 
If you shut off the! system at the same current density then PPM's will 
be very close.
 
Does that answer your questions?
 
"Ole Bob"





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Re: CS>Bob's Book A few Questions

[cking001]

On 2/2/2006 8:56:32 PM, Stuff (st...@laguna.com.mx) wrote:
> Just to clarify things
> 
> If I remember correctly, voltage
> doesn't kill. It has to come with
> considerable amperage to do that.

Uhh, not really.
As little as 50 milliamps (.05 amps) can do the job.

Don't disdain the voltage either. It's the pressure that pushes the
amperage, and a 9 volt battery CAN provide enough voltage AND current
to be lethal under the right circumstances.


> I used to touch a very high voltage electric fence (thousands of
> volts) on the farm as a kid. I got a jolt. That's
> all.

Yup, not enough available current (by design) to kill.
> The capacitor is what holds the charge some time after a TV etc is turned
> off.
> 
> Don't know if a capacitor holds amps.

Yup, they do.
A charged cap is analogous to a battery .
Holds voltage AND amperage.

Chuck

> stuff


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Re: CS>Bob's Book A few Questions

[Stuff]

Just to clarify things

If I remember correctly, voltage doesn't kill. It has to come with 
considerable amperage to do that.


I used to touch a very high voltage electric fence (thousands of 
volts) on the farm as a kid. I got a jolt. That's all.


The capacitor is what holds the charge some time after a TV etc is turned off.

Don't know if a capacitor holds amps.

Of course, I'd welcome some electrician straightening me out where 
I'm wrong. I'm not.


stuff

At 07:30 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote:
And keep in mind that voltage may remain in a device for a VERY long 
time after you turn it off.  Navy radar and radio technicians learn 
this.   Same for a TV repairman.   You can get a fatal jolt long 
hours after the machine has been shut down.




On Friday, Feb 3, 2006, at 10:17 Asia/Tokyo, Robert Berger wrote:

The basic rule with high voltage is always keep one hand in your 
back pocket and then turn off the power BEFORE any adjustments or measurements.





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Re: CS>Toothpaste

[Ken & Nancy Bagwell]

This one has alcohol in it, but it is not alcohol "based".  It is h202 based. 
The alcohol does kills germs and helps disperse the peppermint oil and give a 
tang to the mouthwash. h202 by itself tastes terrible, and pure alcohol is way 
too harsh. Xylitol has proven anticavity benefits and tastes great.

CS as mouthwash is fine, but a little boring to me.

-Ken Bagwell


sol  wrote: Heck I just use my CS as mouthwash, 
sometimes with a little H202 added. 
Alcohol based mouthwashes are thought to cause tissue damage? Long time 
since I read that somewhere.
sol

> I like Weleda brand very much, myself.  No fluoride or sodium laurel 
> sulphate.
>
> I actually have made my own mouthwash using 1 part vodka, 4 parts 
> hydrogen peroxide, several teaspoons xylitol (to taste), and half a 
> bottle of mint or peppermint flavoring.  Mix the flavoring with the 
> alcohol first, then add the peroxide and xylitol  Taste great, totally 
> free of unreadable chemical garbage, and I don't see why anyone could 
> not use it as a "toothpaste", too.
>


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Re: CS>Bob's Book A few Questions

[Jonathan B. Britten]

And keep in mind that voltage may remain in a device for a VERY long 
time after you turn it off.  Navy radar and radio technicians learn 
this.   Same for a TV repairman.   You can get a fatal jolt long hours 
after the machine has been shut down.




On Friday, Feb 3, 2006, at 10:17 Asia/Tokyo, Robert Berger wrote:

The basic rule with high voltage is always keep one hand in your back 
pocket and then turn off the power BEFORE any adjustments or 
measurements.



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Re: CS>Bob's Book A few Questions

[Robert Berger]

Dave,
   
  One must have the utmost respect for 15,000 volts !!!  The basic rule with 
high voltage is always keep one hand in your back pocket and then turn off the 
power BEFORE any adjustments or measurements.
   
  If you are referring to the microwave power supply (3,500 v no load) the same 
rules apply but once the power is on the cell voltage drops to about 500 v and 
continues on down to as low as 100 volts.
   
  Yes I use a PWT.
   
  As stated the initial current is the determining factor as to the length of 
the brew cycle.
  The initial current is a function of the conductivity of the DW. If you buy a 
large quantity of DW and hold it at normal room temperature the conductivity 
will slowly increase.
   
  I work at about 68 deg F. in my basement. It adds stability to the DW.
   
  If you shut off the system at the same current density then PPM's will be 
very close.
   
  Does that answer your questions?
   
  "Ole Bob"

CS>Bob's Book A few Questions

[Dan Nave]

Bob,

How did you measure the cell conductance of your high voltage microwave 
setup?


If you use a PWT, do you have to turn off the voltage in the cell if you 
want to measure the conductance?  For low voltage.  (I assume you would 
for high voltage as it would present a danger.)



Once you characterize your cell, do you feel you can count on it to give 
consistent results if you don't change parameters?



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Re: CS>Toothpaste

[sol]

Heck I just use my CS as mouthwash, sometimes with a little H202 added. 
Alcohol based mouthwashes are thought to cause tissue damage? Long time 
since I read that somewhere.

sol

I like Weleda brand very much, myself.  No fluoride or sodium laurel 
sulphate.


I actually have made my own mouthwash using 1 part vodka, 4 parts 
hydrogen peroxide, several teaspoons xylitol (to taste), and half a 
bottle of mint or peppermint flavoring.  Mix the flavoring with the 
alcohol first, then add the peroxide and xylitol  Taste great, totally 
free of unreadable chemical garbage, and I don't see why anyone could 
not use it as a "toothpaste", too.





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CS>Lazy CS

[Kelburn Koontz]

Sorry I forgot to add that I don't have the wire hooked up to anything.  I 
UNHOOK the electrode, then place it my mouth.  Oh well I guess I'll go back 
to the "hard" way :).

Kel



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Re: CS>Toothpaste

[Pat]

I love my Nature's Gate toothpaste which I get at  the health food store, but 
it too has glycerine.  I've found that  in the one place I get tartar build up, 
between the bottom front teeth,  there is less since I started using CS 
regularly.  
 
Pat 
  


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Re: CS>re: Dr. Clark

[Sandee George]

Thanks Jan for this info.
Regards
Sandee


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Re: CS>CS or Olive leaf?

[scl...@netzero.net]

I was sick so I figured I would try the Ameriden based on the higher % of 
oleorupin. I went through three bottles with no discernable benefit. Usually if 
I take a handful like 5-6 with Eastpark I will get some die-off when I'm sick 
like fever/chills which tells me it's kicking the germs. I felt nothing with 
the Ameriden and wasn't getting any better. This is just me, maybe others have 
had a different experience. When something works for me I stick with it or in 
this case go back to it. Your mileage may vary.

Steve

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Damn, I already ordered it from Ameridan! I wonder if I can "return to sender". 
Can you tell me How Much Better?
   
  Susan

"scl...@netzero.net"  wrote:
  I bought Ameridan OLE thinking since the potency was higher it would be more 
effective. It wasn't. I don't understand why it wasn't as effective but that's 
how it went for me. So I stuck with Eastpark since it worked the best. Maybe 
they have a different way of processing the OLE. In any case that's my 
experience. Also their Flu-Ban homepathic combo with OLE usually will stop a 
beginning virus dead in it's tracks. Good stuff. 

Steve

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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:57:01 EST
Subject: Re: CS>CS or Olive leaf?
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Ameridan Olive leaf surpasses East Park's on live blood cell analysis and 
independent trials. 


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Re: CS>Toothpaste

[Ken & Nancy Bagwell]

Be careful, though. About half of their toothpaste products are not fluoride 
free, and all still contain sodium laurel sulphate, I believe.

I like Weleda brand very much, myself.  No fluoride or sodium laurel sulphate.

I actually have made my own mouthwash using 1 part vodka, 4 parts hydrogen 
peroxide, several teaspoons xylitol (to taste), and half a bottle of mint or 
peppermint flavoring.  Mix the flavoring with the alcohol first, then add the 
peroxide and xylitol  Taste great, totally free of unreadable chemical garbage, 
and I don't see why anyone could not use it as a "toothpaste", too.

-Ken Bagwell



marmar...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/1/06 11:07:15 PM Central Standard 
Time, billa...@verizon.net writes:
 
 
 I found one at Wal Mart named Tom's of Maine that does not have any fluoride.
 
 Thank you for sharing that Bill -- I've been wondering if one couldn't 
purchase a good toothpaste rather than using salt, baking powder, H202, etc.
 MA
 
 
 
 



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Re: CS>Toothpaste

[Marmar845]

In a message dated 2/1/06 11:07:15 PM Central Standard Time, 
billa...@verizon.net writes:


> I found one at Wal Mart named Tom's of Maine that does not have any 
> fluoride.

Thank you for sharing that Bill -- I've been wondering if one couldn't 
purchase a good toothpaste rather than using salt, baking powder, H202, etc.
 MA

Re: CS>Toothpaste

[Marmar845]

In a message dated 2/2/06 7:19:18 AM Central Standard Time, 
me...@insightbb.com writes:


> The only problem with this toothpaste, along with all others I've seen, is 
> that they contain glycerin which is said to coat the teeth and prevent 
> remineralization 

Welll -- dang!  Just when I thought we found a good 'un. MA

Re: CS>My Book

[Marmar845]

In a message dated 2/1/06 10:33:28 PM Central Standard Time, 
na...@comcast.net writes:


> Just remember, it's *your* interpretation.  And don't forget to 
> ask yourself if you have a sense of humor.
> 
See?  There you go again.  Your response is negative -- to attack *my* sense 
of humor.  A positive way to respond might be:  "Sorry if I came across as 
negative -- I was actually trying to be funny!!"  And just out of the WILDEST 
curiousity -- what is it that you find humorous about people not knowing where 
Canada is?  I personally would find that, if true, very sad -- not funny at 
all. 
 And if you think that indicates a lack of a sense of humor on my part -- I 
would just have to say that that's *your*  interpretation.  MA
 

CS>re: Dr. Clark

[Jan Bolen]

I just wish to say this about Dr. Clark. We (Tim & Jan Bolen) have worked as 
her publicists since 1999. She does not have anything to do with David Amrein 
-- owner of the Dr. Clark Research Association -- while David does good work 
and has been active in encouraging research based on Dr. Clark's protocols, 
they do NOT work directly together. The zappers, etc. that David offers are his 
own design, supposed to be an advance on Dr. Clark's technology.
   
  The only thing Dr. Clark sells are her books through New Century Press.
   
  Jan Bolen

CS>Water purifier

[Stuff]

Anyone had any experience with this unit?

"PII thus developed our Portable DI water deionizer cartridge with 
simple gravity feed, allowing the purification to ultra high levels 
(semi-conductor grade) water from the the poorest quality stills or 
even rain water. Use it like a syphon, to transfer water from one 
container to another - any purity in gives 0.0PPM out. It is rated 
for purifying (100) gallons of 5PPM distilled water, more then a 
years supply for home users. "


http://www.health2us.com/di.shtml

stuff


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Re: CS>CS or Olive leaf?

[Susan]

Damn, I already ordered it from Ameridan! I wonder if I can "return to sender". 
Can you tell me How Much Better?
   
  Susan

"scl...@netzero.net"  wrote:
  I bought Ameridan OLE thinking since the potency was higher it would be more 
effective. It wasn't. I don't understand why it wasn't as effective but that's 
how it went for me. So I stuck with Eastpark since it worked the best. Maybe 
they have a different way of processing the OLE. In any case that's my 
experience. Also their Flu-Ban homepathic combo with OLE usually will stop a 
beginning virus dead in it's tracks. Good stuff. 

Steve

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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:57:01 EST
Subject: Re: CS>CS or Olive leaf?
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Re: CS>Toothpaste

[Shelli]

The only problem with this toothpaste, along with all others I've seen, is that 
they contain glycerin which is said to coat the teeth and prevent 
remineralization according to Gerard F. Judd. I don't know how true it is. He 
says it requires 20 rinses to get glycerin off. 
http://gerardjudd.com/goodteeth.htm
Shelli

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  Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:06 PM
  Subject: CS>Toothpaste


  Hello:

  Many comments have been made on the list concerning toothpaste that doesn't 
contain Fluoride.  I found one at Wal Mart named

  Tom's of Maine that does not have any fluoride.  It does contain xylitol to 
help prevent plaque for those of you who are interested.

  Bill

Re: CS>CS or Olive leaf?

[Heidi & Lee Sulkosky]

thanks for all the response on where to get good OLE. On one sight it said that 
OLE can diminish the effects of antibiotics. anybody have anymore info on that. 
I have quit taking my antibiotics (for Lyme) just to see what happens anyhow. 
dont know if thats a good idea or not. my CS should be here Friday. we''ll see 
what happens 
Heidi
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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:02 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>CS or Olive leaf?


  I know that there are some better than others but go with your reliable herb 
source and check to oleopurin percentage. It should be 19-20% oleopurins. 
However, it can be bought in bulk, it is after all, the leaves of  olive trees! 
 Check your local food coop or Frontier Herbs. I found this price at a local 
store 
http://www.vitacost.com/NaturalFactorsOliveLeafExtract/csrc-SHOPFEED-froogle, 
sans the shipping.

  Susan

  Heidi & Lee Sulkosky  wrote:
can anyone tell me a reputable place to get olive leaf extract. I'm adding
that to my regimen with the CS. I have ordered some CS (not yet making my
own, but plan to start, just started taking it) from a company that is
supposed t! o assure quality CS, small particle size, no salts and crystal
clear. In the meantime I went to a local health store to have some until my
order comes in. Its from the company future biotics, advanced colloidal
silver. The color is pee yellow. I called the company to check on particle
size and if any salts were added. they said no salts and a particle size of
.001. The color makes me nervous. Its supposed to be 10ppm and the lable
says do not take any more than one teaspoon a day. Any thoughts on this
please. Thanks Heidi
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From: 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: CS>CS or Olive leaf?


I believe olive is in some ways a more potent antiviral/antibacterial/anti
fungal/anti parasitic. CS works well on some things but not everything. I
use both when fighting infection of any kind just to be thorough.

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Re: CS>running off of 12 volt

[Ode Coyote]

  Most all LVDC and LVAC systems run off 24 - 36 volts.
 Some have rectifier and transformer circuits internal. [Hard to modify]
Some use wall transformers [If that's the case, a battery can usually be 
plugged in directly using the proper polarity]
Some have internal rectification with external transformer. [If that's the 
case, polarity doesn't matter and you just can't hook it up wrong]
All will run off 12 volts if hooked up in the right spot..just 
slower...except for the following case.


If the generator has an "automatic off" that is conductivity related, the 
'output' voltage at start, regardless of input, must be higher than the 
shut down voltage or it will think it is done and shut off. [Typically 5 to 
12 volts depending on how much current and electrode is used]


Basically, if there's no way to get around the auto off and the output is 
lower, it just won't run at all.
 If it does run, the results are the same in the end when it does 
eventually shut itself down.
 If there is a way to bypass the auto off, virtually any voltage can be 
used, but it'll take a meter [or taste buds?] to tell when to stop.


 There is one automatic unit "made" for alternative power sources, 
designed specifically for the Australian Outback. [Can also be plugged into 
the wall]

http://silverwell.com.au/

Most solar panels put out 18 volts in full sun at the load of most CS 
generators. [500 milliamp solar car chargers work fine]

 A fully charged car battery is between 13 and 15 volts.
 Cordless power tool batteries are a good alternative source.
 CS can be made with as little as 1.2 volts [maybe lower]..it just takes 
more time.


It's also possible that CS can be made using one silver and one aluminum 
electrode, connected out of the water..and no power source or electronics 
at all. [This is how 'Curad Silver' bandages work]

 No aluminum enters the water.

'Algebar' does the same thing using silver and copper electrodes. ["Might" 
be making colloidal copper?...probably not.]


Ode


At 04:45 PM 2/1/2006 -0600, you wrote:


Hi list,

I was wondering if the cs makers that run on120v can be made capable to 
run off of 12 volt system via a solar and wind system.  I am hoping not to 
have to use an inverter with this system.

K Murray


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Re: CS>Lazy man's CS

[Ode Coyote]

 What did you do with the other electrode?
Ode

At 01:38 PM 2/1/2006 -0800, you wrote:

Hey all I was just wondering I took one of my electrodes and placed it 
directly into my mouth, kind of like a toothpick or something.  After I 
take it out I can still taste the silver, kind of like when I drink 
CS.  Does anyone think this is an effective means of ingestion?


Kel

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Re: CS>My Book

[Rowena]

You people obviously feel safe and among friends, which is nice.  But is it 
entirely circumspect to give out your addresses this way?  Would private 
emails with this information be slightly more prudent?
R

  Dear rcaaawor.

  Thanks for the address, now how about a name or should I use RCAAWOR 

  rcaaawor  wrote:
My address is 10 Youngs Crescent,ST.Andrews ,Manitoba,R1A3C3,Canada.I am 
glad that worked out.Thanks

"Ole Bob" 


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Re: CS>Unresponsive sickness

[Ode Coyote]

  That is/was the idea.
 Does it work?

..feels good.

Ode

At 10:37 AM 2/1/2006 -0700, you wrote:

Isn't the cool wet towel round the neck thought to keep the temp of the 
blood going to the brain lower?
It was the tradition in my family that any cold or flu or sore throat 
required a wet towel to wrap the throat.

I had forgotten all about it until you mentioned it.
sol

Ode Coyote wrote:



 I sat in the sun wrapped in a wool blanket sucking water by the quart 
and a cool wet towel around my neck.

..next day I was fine. [a bit weak and dizzy, but not too bad]
 The day after that, I forgot I had been ill. [But really hungry]

Ode



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Re: CS>Unresponsive sickness - wrapping in wet towels

[Rowena]

Isn't the cool wet towel round the neck thought to keep the temp of the
blood going to the brain lower?
It was the tradition in my family that any cold or flu or sore throat
required a wet towel to wrap the throat.
I had forgotten all about it until you mentioned it.

That may be so.  But I believe that in water cure treatments the purpose is 
to bring the blood to the area - while at first it is cold, it then gets 
warm.  For all I know there may also be an element of drawing toxins out to 
the wet cloth.

I know I probably don't have the description of the action right, but I am 
going back fifty years to a wonderful book my mother had on water cure, 
written by a practitioner from a very old water cure establishment in the 
south of England.  Don't I just wish she had brought all her old books to 
Australia!  The treatment has a very definite purpose to do with the blood 
flow to the organs covered.

Patients would be totally wrapped in wet sheets, too, then I think covered 
in blankets, and left for a certain period of time.

I went to a naturopath for advice forty years ago and he advised me, if any 
children had chest colds and so on, to wrap their chests in wet cloth.

R

And won't people looking in the archives be pleased with me for modifying 
the title as the discussion progresses?  Not to mention the citizen in 
charge. 


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