CSRe: Death by CS.
Hello Tom I misspelled Bicaltamide. It should have said Bicalutamide. A trade name is Casodex or Cosudex. (I'm not suggesting it caused the seizure.) http://www.virtualcancercentre.com/drugs.asp?drugid=1745 'Myclonic status epilepticus' IS pretty dreadful. To suggest that CS caused it 3 months after the man ceased taking CS is a long stretch in my opinion, but I'm no doctor. His CS dosage was pretty light if the case report is accurate. Most of the research I've read suggests it takes huge doses of silver to cause such problems. And even then its only lab research. I'm still yet to see a convincing case of CS causing anything other than argyria. As a living example of how toxic silver really is (or isn't) look at Paul Karosan. He's drunk so much junk CS in the last 13 years he's turned blue but he's still happily giving TV interviews. I've followed up a number of these references over time and they ultimately go nowhere. They can look persuasive at first glance but none of them contain original research. They just refer you to other references. Theres almost no hard facts. (The words 'we hypothesize' appear quite often). At the bottom of all the theories you'll usually just find some ancient research on rats. And don't be fooled into thinking every reference is a 'case report' or an extensive 'study'. A couple of 'medical references' I've followed up turned out to be 'Letters to the editors' of medical journals. I dont know how 'peer reviewed' they would be, but they pop as references on sites like Wikipedia. As far as I can determine, the most likely source of the idea that CS can cause neurologic problems (seizures) is the theory that CS can produce the same symptoms as 'metal fume fever', a sickness that welders or foundry workers can get when they inhale lungfulls of zinc fumes. By the way, these published case reports are a nice little earner. If 1000 doctors around the world download a report thats a cool $20,000 bonus for someone. David From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za Date: 2 October 2008 1:56:28 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDeath by CS. Dear David, Thank you very much indeed. I think this is the main source of resistance from mainstream medicine, it is taught in medical school as one of the important things to know about silver. Myoclonic status epilepticus .. sounds dreadful doesn't it? I am so glad you have put it into perspective. I can't find bicaltamide in any of my books. Does that have a 'generic' name or a pharmaceutical description I'd like to know the side effects if you have them,. OK, I can google for it when on line again. Of course the man could have had a seizure because his family took his toy(s) away from him. :-( Tony M On 30 Sep 2008 at 19:20, David wrote about : Subject : CSDeath by CS. Some of you may have seen in Wikipedia (Colloidal silver), or other places, the reference to the death of a 71 year old man after ingesting CS. Specifically the title of the reference is... Myoclonic status epilepticus following repeated oral ingestion of colloidal silver. I've purchased the article ($20). For your information, heres my summary of the case... 1... Man aged about 70 finds out he has prostate cancer. 2... Takes Bicaltamide (a prescribed drug with a few side effects) for 3 months. 3... Following this he tried various nutritional and vitamin supplements, homeopathic remedies such as PC-SPES and essiac tea, and colloidal silver. (Its claimed his CS machine produced 4 litres of 10ppm in 30 minutes). He drinks at least a ONE OUNCE a day for 4 months. (Yep, you heard right, a whole ounce!) 4... Wife and daughter confiscate his CS machine and give it to doctors. (Presumably this ended his CS intake) 5... His prostate antigen level increases so he ceases all unconventional treatment and undergoes 7 weeks (35 cycles) of radiation therapy. 6... Seizures begin 1 month after radio therapy ceases. (This appears to be about 3 MONTHS AFTER CEASING CS INGESTION) 7... He goes into 'Myoclonic status epilepticus' (a constant seizure) so Doctors put him into an INDUCED COMA and pump him with various drugs. 8... Patient deteriorates to a persistant vegetative condition. 9... Patient is shifted to his home town hospital where he dies of PNEUMONIA 5.5 months after seizures begin. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSArmour - Sol
Diane, I recently got some Armour at Rite-Aid in Ohio. I sure hope they are not discontinuing production. Boy, that would be a problem. Paula - Original Message - From: Dianne France To: silver-list Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:46 PM Subject: CSArmour - Sol Sol The following is what I got back from my daughter about the thyroid. Had hoped for more information but the web site is there. She said Walgreens and Walmart both told her they were having problems getting Armour and they were probably discontinuing production. If someone knows where else is carrying it she would like to know. See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. See Now -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSWateroz Ionic Products
Hi Has anybody had experience of these products? http://www.detoxyourworld.com/acatalog/ionic_gold.html I assume they are from www.wateroz.com It states however that they are not colloidal but ionic! Any opinions on the various types would be appreciated. I make my own CS so am more interested in the other products. Thanks Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSColloidal silver generator ?
Did anyone respond to this post? I wouldn't pay $60 for that generator. Ya, it will work, but it is absolutely basic and you will have to babysit constantly, and not get the best product that we know how to make. For almost (just) twice as much you can buy the full featured SilverPuppy with all the bells and whistles! Look into that, it is worth the investment. Dan -Original Message- From: Jeffery Burke [mailto:john_smith...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:37 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSColloidal silver generator ? I was thinking of buying a colloidal silver generator online, and trying to make my own product for myself.Since it is so expensive!!! My question is can I make it safe at home with a inexpensive set-up of 2 leads with a 9 volt battery and 2 rods in distilled water??? Will the quality and particle size be just as good as store bought preparations.Or will I need buy a real expensive machine to make the quality I'm looking for?That costs hundreds of $$$. I read that the particle size has to be real small and the dilution has to be around 10 ppm to be safe and effective to take? I will post the link to the one I would like to buy. thx's http://www.elixa.com/silver/MiniCS.htm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWateroz Ionic Products
I am remembering somebody who came on here looking for help in getting rid of argyria- who had been taking water oz products. Is this correct? Anyone else remember this? Maybe it was a couple of years ago... I looked back in my file (~ a year or less) and saw some references to water oz products being something completely different than what they are sold as- and references to them lying about their products. They seem to have a bad track record for integrity, and one person did get argyria from them. the silvermedicine.org site might have some good info. You can try looking at the lab reports here: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html Kathryn On Oct 3, 2008, at 6:22 AM, Misc. IP Group wrote: Hi Has anybody had experience of these products? http://www.detoxyourworld.com/acatalog/ionic_gold.html I assume they are from www.wateroz.com It states however that they are not colloidal but ionic! Any opinions on the various types would be appreciated. I make my own CS so am more interested in the other products. Thanks Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver?
I second that. Also, those that have taglines, like T.J. (not Chuck), it would help if you would put a carriage return between your post and the tagline... Dan -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 12:11 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver? Marshall. It would help immensely if you hit a carriage return once or twice before starting your reply. It's difficult to find your answers among the original post, and I do dote on your contributions. Chuck Have no fear Underdog is here! and here! and here. and here too! For the love of God man - shut off the power mower! On 9/22/2008 10:34:00 AM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: Frank Key [MesoSilver] looked for ionic silver in blood with an ion selective probe after ingesting ionic silver. He found none. That is to be expected, since the ionic silver plates out on the colloidal particles rather quickly after making it into the blood steam. But he doesn't say what he DID find and he does have the tools to look. He also doesn't say he found no silver. I suspect he either did not test for the quantity of silver in the blood, or the information was not in favor of his goals. If he in fact did find silver chloride, it would have been to his sales advantage to say so. I would not think he would find any silver chloride, or if he did, it would be an extremely low level. Frank doesn't say that Ionic silver doesn't work but attributes its power to the particle content in it. That is correct. But I disagree. Particle is a great germicide, but the ionic portion is great for healing, allowing the body to generate stem cells at will. But since the ionic portion becomes colloidal anyway in the blood stream, the argument seems rather silly to me. If the -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSColloidal silver and pets
Reduces tooth decay and tarter, often removes the need for brushing. Gets rid of bad breath. Reduces the occurrence of any systemic infection like bladder infections, so things like bladder stones may be less. Dan -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 12:48 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSColloidal silver and pets I have been contacted by a company that is interested in manufacturing a bottled pet water, and they are planning on putting some EIS in the water. They are wanting to know what good things can be expected from this. If anyone has used EIS in their pet water, I would greatly appreciate hearing from them as to what it did or did not do for them. Thanks, Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms
And if it turns purple when bruised, it's a magic mushroom... Dan -Original Message- From: Neville [mailto:nevillem...@bigpond.com] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:56 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms Hi there, I don't know if mushrooms are similar where you are compared to here but my rule of thumb is:..if it's underside is pink, (when young), or brown-ish to brown, (gets darker as they mature)...it's a mushroom. If it feels or looks 'slimy' and is 'domed' in shape or any other 'colour' or mushroom shape then I assume it to be a toadstool or something unedible. This is what I go by without the botanical knowledge of the many and varied types which are out there. Don't know if this is any good to you? Neville. - Original Message - From: Smitty papad...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:02 AM Subject: Re: CSCS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms (Google) I get very few but beautiful looking mushrooms growing in our backyard. I do love raw, sliced mushroom on a salad that I buy fresh from a supermarket. So I ask.the mushrooms that grown in our backyard . are they safe to eat..? ~~ I remember many years ago reading a very sad story whereas almost an entire Asian-American family out in California died from eating mushrooms picked fresh from their backyard. ~~ Check mushroom pictures on Google and try and compare. But people can and do get SICK from eating those yard mushrooms. Beware. __ Eating mushrooms that have been collected outdoors can be a risky proposition. Many poisonous mushrooms look and taste like ones that are safe to eat, and there is no simple way to differentiate between the two. Heating or cooking does not necessarily destroy the toxic parts of the mushroom. Smitty Hey G! Your're right. Thanks, I now have a name for them. They are Ugly, Ugly Ugly. The neighbor had been trying to eliminate them for more then a year... nothing worked! Then I had the solution; Colodial Silver. But it did not work. Not sure if I should have just poured it on them instead of adding to the Revive. Hope someone on here has an answer. connie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms
What he said... Dan -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 4:21 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms Could try copper sulfate, or dig up what they are growing on. You only see the fruiting bodies, the mycelium portion under ground is much bigger. Ode At 01:01 AM 9/23/2008 +, you wrote: Hey G! Your're right. Thanks, I now have a name for them. They are Ugly, Ugly Ugly. The neighbor had been trying to eliminate them for more then a year... nothing worked! Then I had the solution; Colodial Silver. But it did not work. Not sure if I should have just poured it on them instead of adding to the Revive. Hope someone on here has an answer. connie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColloidal silver generator ?
Hi Dan; I did twice. Have not heard any more from him, Bruce A. Dan Nave wrote: Did anyone respond to this post? I wouldn't pay $60 for that generator. Ya, it will work, but it is absolutely basic and you will have to babysit constantly, and not get the best product that we know how to make. For almost (just) twice as much you can buy the full featured SilverPuppy with all the bells and whistles! Look into that, it is worth the investment. Dan -Original Message- From: Jeffery Burke [mailto:john_smith...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:37 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSColloidal silver generator ? I was thinking of buying a colloidal silver generator online, and trying to make my own product for myself.Since it is so expensive!!! My question is can I make it safe at home with a inexpensive set-up of 2 leads with a 9 volt battery and 2 rods in distilled water??? Will the quality and particle size be just as good as store bought preparations.Or will I need buy a real expensive machine to make the quality I'm looking for?That costs hundreds of $$$. I read that the particle size has to be real small and the dilution has to be around 10 ppm to be safe and effective to take? I will post the link to the one I would like to buy. thx's http://www.elixa.com/silver/MiniCS.htm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1705 - Release Date: 10/3/2008 8:18 AM
CSGiardia?
Is CS effective for Giardia? It is a protozoan, so it should be but I'm asking for any experience using CS for it. For my brother. He's been rx'd Flagyl. Would CS enemas be a good way to treat Giardia? In addition to oral use? I wonder if that is even what he has, or only what he has, as he got sick in Africa. Silly git went to Kilamanjaro, got so sick from diarrhea he couldn't make it to the top and had to turn back. He could have picked up god knows what in addition to the Giardia, or instead of. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms
http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/alt/milkthistle_faq.htm Milk Thistle (Silybum marianum) What does Milk Thistle do? Herb- Milk Thistle Herb has been used medicinally by some people for functional disorders of the liver and gallbladder. . It has been considered especially helpful in cases jaundice, colitis, pleurisy, and diseases of the spleen. Fruit- Milk Thistle Fruit has been used by some for the treatment of dyspeptic symptoms, loss of appetite, liver and gall bladder complaints including inflammation of the gall bladder duct, toxic liver disease and hepatic cirrhosis. It has been used successfully as an antidote to Death-Cap mushroom poisoning (mushroom toxins a-amantin and phalloidin). It has been shown to protect the b.d. from liver damage caused by overdose from acetaminophen, butyrophenones, phenothiazines, halothane, Dilantin or ethanol. It may reduce outbreaks of Psoriasis due to liver disease. Milk Thistle herb and fruit can be taken in capsules, pills, infusions, or tinctures. http://www.diagnose-me.com/treat/T13224.html Most recently researchers found that the antioxidant activity of a milk thistle seed extract reduced the liver damage typically seen in patients who take prescription anti-psychotic drugs for extended periods and particularly in death cap mushroom poisoning. Silymarin has been shown to prevent and even reverse the toxic affect of mushroom (Amanita phalloides) poisoning, which can cause death within 24 hours. It is able to do this by specifically blocking the receptor for these toxins. -Original Message- From: Malcolm [mailto:s...@asis.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms Well, it's even worse than that. The amanita fruiting bodies are generally large handsome clean-looking specimens with white gills. the amanitatoxins, aka amatoxins, (three major kinds usually present together,) will often produce violent bloody diarrhea and vomiting within 6 to 24 hours, lasting a day or so,followed by a period of apparent recovery, which is then followed by a relapse and a 50% mortality. Unfortunately, people are often discharged from hospital during this false recovery, only to die at home a few days later. The primary effects are on the liver and kidneys and occur within that first 6 to 24 hour period whilst the toxins are fully absorbed. The moral to that is: if you think someone has eaten a poison mushroom, don't wait around to see if they'll be ok or not, get them to throw up, get to the emergency room ASAP to get as much out of the system as possible before it is absorbed and it's too late. Secondary effects involve everything else from the blood to the nerve cells including the brain, by inhibiting RNA synthesis in the cells. One to two ounces of the fresh fruiting body is, on average, enough to do you in. The poison content varies not only from variety to variety, but from fruiting body to fruiting body. One not-well-known therapy for amanita poisoning is Thioctic Acid, injected; no guarantees. The other deadly class of mycotoxins is the Gryomitrins, which are produced in rather small unappealing mushrooms unlikely to attract much interest. The difference between a completely inconsequential 'dose' of gyromitrin and a deadly one is extremely small. Gyromitrin hydrolyzes into MMH, monomethylhydrazine, rocket fuel, an extremely carcinogenic compound. Weird, huh? Not a good way to launch into outer space. Take care, Malcolm On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 11:26 -0400, Marshall Dudley wrote: Check out the History channel, Modern Marvels: fungus. I watched it a day or two ago, not sure if it will be running again. They have a pretty good segment on mushrooms on that. Interestingly if you eat a poisonous mushroom, and get sick a few hours later you will probably be ok. If you get sick 1 to 2 weeks later, you will most likely die. Marshall Smitty wrote: (Google) I get very few but beautiful looking mushrooms growing in our backyard. I do love raw, sliced mushroom on a salad that I buy fresh from a supermarket. So I ask.the mushrooms that grown in our backyard . are they safe to eat..? ~~ I remember many years ago reading a very sad story whereas almost an entire Asian-American family out in California died from eating mushrooms picked fresh from their backyard. ~~ Check mushroom pictures on Google and try and compare. But people can and do get SICK from eating those yard mushrooms. Beware. __ Eating mushrooms that have been collected outdoors can be a risky proposition. Many poisonous mushrooms look and taste like ones that are safe to eat, and there is no simple way to differentiate between the two. Heating or cooking does not necessarily destroy the toxic
Re: CSColloidal silver generator ?
It does seem that not very much is offered for sixty dollars. I can't really see a current imiting device in the illustration. The electrodes our only 4 inches in length and they do not mention and what gauge silver wire they are using. If a person is willing to spend a mental effort rather than simply forking over money they might have a look at the following effort on my own part: http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm I have tried to provide the guidance which I believe to be necessary for people to follow in order to make the best colloidal silver possible on their own. If you are not overwhelmed by the complexity, which could well be because of my inability to simplify the process sufficiently, then you should probably go for a fully automatic unit. I would say that the silver puppy represents the best value for such a device. Ken is an honest person and has been a invaluable contributor to the CS list for many years. If you decide to order the kit from Atlasnova and spend sometime experimenting with the process, you will become competent to expand the production of colloidal silver to as many gallons as you wish. This would then entail the purchase of a proper Power Supply, choosing a different value current limiting resistor and a greater amount of silver wire. Have a look and decide for yourself. - Original Message - From: Dan Nave dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com To: john_smith...@yahoo.com; silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: RE: CSColloidal silver generator ? Did anyone respond to this post? I wouldn't pay $60 for that generator. Ya, it will work, but it is absolutely basic and you will have to babysit constantly, and not get the best product that we know how to make. For almost (just) twice as much you can buy the full featured SilverPuppy with all the bells and whistles! Look into that, it is worth the investment. Dan -Original Message- From: Jeffery Burke [mailto:john_smith...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:37 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSColloidal silver generator ? I was thinking of buying a colloidal silver generator online, and trying to make my own product for myself.Since it is so expensive!!! My question is can I make it safe at home with a inexpensive set-up of 2 leads with a 9 volt battery and 2 rods in distilled water??? Will the quality and particle size be just as good as store bought preparations.Or will I need buy a real expensive machine to make the quality I'm looking for?That costs hundreds of $$$. I read that the particle size has to be real small and the dilution has to be around 10 ppm to be safe and effective to take? I will post the link to the one I would like to buy. thx's http://www.elixa.com/silver/MiniCS.htm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTooth erosion and severe gum pockets
I am trying 20 drops of activated MMS + DMSO in a 2 ounce container filled with water. I then take 4 eye droppers full and squirt them into my lower teeth, side, side, front, and under tongue. Then I brush with my Oral B and try do the teeth, gums and cheeks. I then swallow what is left. It seems to have hardened my gums. I was told by my Dentist that I had soft gums.. This is a solution I got from the Global Light News except I added the DMSO from the overnight cancer cure mixture to transport the MMS. I also use the leftover activated MMS and rub it on to add MMS to the bloodstream and bypass the stomach. I do not worry about color as all my teeth have crowns. Brickey **New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew0001)
Re: CSColloidal silver generator ?
Thx's everyone for taking your time to respond to my questions on making CS.My biggest concern would be particle size.I would be afraid that large particles could get trapped in my capillaries, and cause problems in my extremities like the legs.Possibly causing adverse health effects.By the way are there any concerns with making it myself that I should know about? I may just keep buying the CS from the store.But $28 for 8oz. Is some very pricey water with a trace mineral! It would nice to be able to make it,and use it liberally for other uses other then health issues. Sincerely, Jason a.K.a.Jeffery B. --- On Fri, 10/3/08, Arnold Beland abela...@comcast.net wrote: From: Arnold Beland abela...@comcast.net Subject: Re: CSColloidal silver generator ? To: silver-list@eskimo.com, john_smith...@yahoo.com Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 1:52 PM It does seem that not very much is offered for sixty dollars. I can't really see a current imiting device in the illustration. The electrodes our only 4 inches in length and they do not mention and what gauge silver wire they are using. If a person is willing to spend a mental effort rather than simply forking over money they might have a look at the following effort on my own part: http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm I have tried to provide the guidance which I believe to be necessary for people to follow in order to make the best colloidal silver possible on their own. If you are not overwhelmed by the complexity, which could well be because of my inability to simplify the process sufficiently, then you should probably go for a fully automatic unit. I would say that the silver puppy represents the best value for such a device. Ken is an honest person and has been a invaluable contributor to the CS list for many years. If you decide to order the kit from Atlasnova and spend sometime experimenting with the process, you will become competent to expand the production of colloidal silver to as many gallons as you wish. This would then entail the purchase of a proper Power Supply, choosing a different value current limiting resistor and a greater amount of silver wire. Have a look and decide for yourself. - Original Message - From: Dan Nave dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com To: john_smith...@yahoo.com; silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: RE: CSColloidal silver generator ? Did anyone respond to this post? I wouldn't pay $60 for that generator. Ya, it will work, but it is absolutely basic and you will have to babysit constantly, and not get the best product that we know how to make. For almost (just) twice as much you can buy the full featured SilverPuppy with all the bells and whistles! Look into that, it is worth the investment. Dan -Original Message- From: Jeffery Burke [mailto:john_smith...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:37 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSColloidal silver generator ? I was thinking of buying a colloidal silver generator online, and trying to make my own product for myself.Since it is so expensive!!! My question is can I make it safe at home with a inexpensive set-up of 2 leads with a 9 volt battery and 2 rods in distilled water??? Will the quality and particle size be just as good as store bought preparations.Or will I need buy a real expensive machine to make the quality I'm looking for?That costs hundreds of $$$. I read that the particle size has to be real small and the dilution has to be around 10 ppm to be safe and effective to take? I will post the link to the one I would like to buy. thx's http://www.elixa.com/silver/MiniCS.htm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWateroz Ionic Products
There is a healer, Tracy Jones, who ran a list Tracy's corner for several years. He would take hard-case volunteers into a live-in program for a month at a time and has reportedly been successful in helping them. He uses all kinds of electronic devices, herbals, tonics, etc. He has always had the highest regard for wateroz products as part of his protocols. He is a person to listen to. On the other hand, the head of wateroz gave himself argyria from his silver product.FYI. Chuck Girdle: A pot holder On 10/3/2008 11:12:20 AM, Clayton Family (clay...@skypoint.com) wrote: I am remembering somebody who came on here looking for help in getting rid of argyria- who had been taking water oz products. Is this correct? Anyone else remember this? Maybe it was a couple of years ago... I looked back in my file (~ a year or less) and saw some references to water oz products being something completely different than what they are sold as- and references to them lying about their products. They seem to have a bad track record for integrity, and one person did get argyria from them. the silvermedicine.org site might have some good info. You can try looking at the lab reports here: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html Kathryn On Oct 3, 2008, at 6:22 AM, Misc. IP Group wrote: Hi Has anybody had experience of these products? http://www.detoxyourworld.com/acatalog/ionic_gold.html I assume they are from www.wateroz.com It states however that they are not colloidal but ionic! Any opinions on the various types would be appreciated. I make my own CS so am more interested in the other products. Thanks Peter No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1705 - Release Date: 10/3/2008 8:18 AM
CSColloidal Silver/Sulphur Solution
Hi All, I ran across this website: http://www.leesfountainofyouth.com/operated by an elderly man who believes that a colloidal silver/sulphur solution is the best antibiotic known to man. He has some rudimentary instructions for making it on his site. I am wondering if the more versed among us in chemistry can comment on what is likely to be created with this method and whether such a concoction would be safe to ingest for anything other than sporadic consumption. This has got me wondering also whether consuming CS and MSM together may be a good thing or not, as MSM is reported to be 34% sulphur. I have read elsewhere that MSM, like DMSO can be a good carrier to bring substances where they need to go so could the sulphur help the CS to reach pathogens do you think? Any comments would be welcome! Thanks, Peter
Re: CSColloidal Silver/Sulphur Solution
I have read, probably in one of my books on DMSO and MSM, that only DMSO transports substances into tissues (depending on molecular weight). MSM cannot take anything into tissues except itself, and it only penetrates a little bit. Nothing like DMSO can do. You can mix a little MSM into a solution of DMSO and silver though. I believe that does get the MSM a lot deeper into the tissues than it can go alone. FWIW, in the book MSM the definitive guide, it is stated that DMSO is much more effective than MSM for nearly every use, but that Dr. Jacob's started using MSM much more with his patients because of compliance--the odor that some people get from DMSO caused them to not use it reliably. This sulphur thing is a new idea to me--I have used CS with both DMSO and MSM for many years, had not before heard of a problem with silver and sulphur. So I'm waiting to see if our experts think it is an issue or not. sol Peter Converse wrote: This has got me wondering also whether consuming CS and MSM together may be a good thing or not, as MSM is reported to be 34% sulphur. I have read elsewhere that MSM, like DMSO can be a good carrier to bring substances where they need to go so could the sulphur help the CS to reach pathogens do you think? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColloidal Silver/Sulphur Solution
I have had sinus problems sence the early 60's Infections after infections, as many as 6 times in a year and sometimes 2 or 3 courses as one antibotic did not do the trick. Last year I started useing CS with a needling (I don't think that the way to spell it) pot to irriagate my sinuses. Later on some on this site helped me to see that adding MSM , DMSO and H202 with the CS would improve the over all effect. Now, over a year and 2 months I have not had to be treated for a sinus infection , have not had a running nose, inflammed sinus, ect. The Lord only knows how I have suffered with the pain, loss of effectivness in work .sometime in bed with feeling to bad to be up, tired out and depression. as sinus problems can cause mood swings just from a cold or hot frount comeing through. I get up everyday thanking the Lord FOR answering prayer in finding Cs and the silver-list. There are those who can help in the details of how, why and when ..I just wanted to chim in and say IT WORKS.. George Knoll ] --Original Message- From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com Sent: Oct 3, 2008 2:53 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver/Sulphur Solution I have read, probably in one of my books on DMSO and MSM, that only DMSO transports substances into tissues (depending on molecular weight). MSM cannot take anything into tissues except itself, and it only penetrates a little bit. Nothing like DMSO can do. You can mix a little MSM into a solution of DMSO and silver though. I believe that does get the MSM a lot deeper into the tissues than it can go alone. FWIW, in the book MSM the definitive guide, it is stated that DMSO is much more effective than MSM for nearly every use, but that Dr. Jacob's started using MSM much more with his patients because of compliance--the odor that some people get from DMSO caused them to not use it reliably. This sulphur thing is a new idea to me--I have used CS with both DMSO and MSM for many years, had not before heard of a problem with silver and sulphur. So I'm waiting to see if our experts think it is an issue or not. sol Peter Converse wrote: This has got me wondering also whether consuming CS and MSM together may be a good thing or not, as MSM is reported to be 34% sulphur. I have read elsewhere that MSM, like DMSO can be a good carrier to bring substances where they need to go so could the sulphur help the CS to reach pathogens do you think? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms
Hey, not always. Many of the boletes, mushrooms with tubes where others have gills, will bruise blue, purple, even red, and some of them can give you a whopper of a tummyache and NO fun atall!! Mushroomhead. On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 11:19 -0500, Dan Nave wrote: And if it turns purple when bruised, it's a magic mushroom... Dan -Original Message- From: Neville [mailto:nevillem...@bigpond.com] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:56 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms Hi there, I don't know if mushrooms are similar where you are compared to here but my rule of thumb is:..if it's underside is pink, (when young), or brown-ish to brown, (gets darker as they mature)...it's a mushroom. If it feels or looks 'slimy' and is 'domed' in shape or any other 'colour' or mushroom shape then I assume it to be a toadstool or something unedible. This is what I go by without the botanical knowledge of the many and varied types which are out there. Don't know if this is any good to you? Neville. - Original Message - From: Smitty papad...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:02 AM Subject: Re: CSCS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms (Google) I get very few but beautiful looking mushrooms growing in our backyard. I do love raw, sliced mushroom on a salad that I buy fresh from a supermarket. So I ask.the mushrooms that grown in our backyard . are they safe to eat..? ~~ I remember many years ago reading a very sad story whereas almost an entire Asian-American family out in California died from eating mushrooms picked fresh from their backyard. ~~ Check mushroom pictures on Google and try and compare. But people can and do get SICK from eating those yard mushrooms. Beware. __ Eating mushrooms that have been collected outdoors can be a risky proposition. Many poisonous mushrooms look and taste like ones that are safe to eat, and there is no simple way to differentiate between the two. Heating or cooking does not necessarily destroy the toxic parts of the mushroom. Smitty Hey G! Your're right. Thanks, I now have a name for them. They are Ugly, Ugly Ugly. The neighbor had been trying to eliminate them for more then a year... nothing worked! Then I had the solution; Colodial Silver. But it did not work. Not sure if I should have just poured it on them instead of adding to the Revive. Hope someone on here has an answer. connie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms
Hey Dan, Very nice, Thanks! Malcolm On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 12:18 -0500, Dan Nave wrote: http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/alt/milkthistle_faq.htm Milk Thistle (Silybum marianum) What does Milk Thistle do? Herb- Milk Thistle Herb has been used medicinally by some people for functional disorders of the liver and gallbladder. . It has been considered especially helpful in cases jaundice, colitis, pleurisy, and diseases of the spleen. Fruit- Milk Thistle Fruit has been used by some for the treatment of dyspeptic symptoms, loss of appetite, liver and gall bladder complaints including inflammation of the gall bladder duct, toxic liver disease and hepatic cirrhosis. It has been used successfully as an antidote to Death-Cap mushroom poisoning (mushroom toxins a-amantin and phalloidin). It has been shown to protect the b.d. from liver damage caused by overdose from acetaminophen, butyrophenones, phenothiazines, halothane, Dilantin or ethanol. It may reduce outbreaks of Psoriasis due to liver disease. Milk Thistle herb and fruit can be taken in capsules, pills, infusions, or tinctures. http://www.diagnose-me.com/treat/T13224.html Most recently researchers found that the antioxidant activity of a milk thistle seed extract reduced the liver damage typically seen in patients who take prescription anti-psychotic drugs for extended periods and particularly in death cap mushroom poisoning. Silymarin has been shown to prevent and even reverse the toxic affect of mushroom (Amanita phalloides) poisoning, which can cause death within 24 hours. It is able to do this by specifically blocking the receptor for these toxins. -Original Message- From: Malcolm [mailto:s...@asis.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms Well, it's even worse than that. The amanita fruiting bodies are generally large handsome clean-looking specimens with white gills. the amanitatoxins, aka amatoxins, (three major kinds usually present together,) will often produce violent bloody diarrhea and vomiting within 6 to 24 hours, lasting a day or so,followed by a period of apparent recovery, which is then followed by a relapse and a 50% mortality. Unfortunately, people are often discharged from hospital during this false recovery, only to die at home a few days later. The primary effects are on the liver and kidneys and occur within that first 6 to 24 hour period whilst the toxins are fully absorbed. The moral to that is: if you think someone has eaten a poison mushroom, don't wait around to see if they'll be ok or not, get them to throw up, get to the emergency room ASAP to get as much out of the system as possible before it is absorbed and it's too late. Secondary effects involve everything else from the blood to the nerve cells including the brain, by inhibiting RNA synthesis in the cells. One to two ounces of the fresh fruiting body is, on average, enough to do you in. The poison content varies not only from variety to variety, but from fruiting body to fruiting body. One not-well-known therapy for amanita poisoning is Thioctic Acid, injected; no guarantees. The other deadly class of mycotoxins is the Gryomitrins, which are produced in rather small unappealing mushrooms unlikely to attract much interest. The difference between a completely inconsequential 'dose' of gyromitrin and a deadly one is extremely small. Gyromitrin hydrolyzes into MMH, monomethylhydrazine, rocket fuel, an extremely carcinogenic compound. Weird, huh? Not a good way to launch into outer space. Take care, Malcolm On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 11:26 -0400, Marshall Dudley wrote: Check out the History channel, Modern Marvels: fungus. I watched it a day or two ago, not sure if it will be running again. They have a pretty good segment on mushrooms on that. Interestingly if you eat a poisonous mushroom, and get sick a few hours later you will probably be ok. If you get sick 1 to 2 weeks later, you will most likely die. Marshall Smitty wrote: (Google) I get very few but beautiful looking mushrooms growing in our backyard. I do love raw, sliced mushroom on a salad that I buy fresh from a supermarket. So I ask.the mushrooms that grown in our backyard . are they safe to eat..? ~~ I remember many years ago reading a very sad story whereas almost an entire Asian-American family out in California died from eating mushrooms picked fresh from their backyard. ~~ Check mushroom pictures on Google and try and compare. But people can and do get SICK from eating those yard mushrooms. Beware. __ Eating mushrooms that have been collected outdoors can be a risky proposition. Many poisonous
Re: CSColloidal Silver/Sulphur Solution
Can we get your recipe? On Oct 3, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Geoecom wrote: I have had sinus problems sence the early 60's Infections after infections, as many as 6 times in a year and sometimes 2 or 3 courses as one antibotic did not do the trick. Last year I started useing CS with a needling (I don't think that the way to spell it) pot to irriagate my sinuses. Later on some on this site helped me to see that adding MSM , DMSO and H202 with the CS would improve the over all effect. Now, over a year and 2 months I have not had to be treated for a sinus infection , have not had a running nose, inflammed sinus, ect. The Lord only knows how I have suffered with the pain, loss of effectivness in work .sometime in bed with feeling to bad to be up, tired out and depression. as sinus problems can cause mood swings just from a cold or hot frount comeing through. I get up everyday thanking the Lord FOR answering prayer in finding Cs and the silver-list. There are those who can help in the details of how, why and when ..I just wanted to chim in and say IT WORKS.. George Knoll ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGiardia?
Years ago I bought a baby cockatiel from a bird show in San Francisco. Just one week later she was diagnosed by a vet with giardia. I had already given the bird a beakful of CS before we went in. The vet said Well, it looks like giardia, but they aren`t moving! 3 days later, with nothing but CS for treatment, the bird was just fine.Hope this helps! Marshalee On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:42 AM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: Is CS effective for Giardia? It is a protozoan, so it should be but I'm asking for any experience using CS for it. For my brother. He's been rx'd Flagyl. Would CS enemas be a good way to treat Giardia? In addition to oral use? I wonder if that is even what he has, or only what he has, as he got sick in Africa. Silly git went to Kilamanjaro, got so sick from diarrhea he couldn't make it to the top and had to turn back. He could have picked up god knows what in addition to the Giardia, or instead of. sol
Re: CSColloidal Silver/Sulphur Solution for Sinus Problems
You ask Can we get your recipe? I got this from a email from Harold Macdonald: Here it is.. 1 Start with 2 oz of CS 2 Add 1/4 teaspoon of MSM 3 Add 4 drops of DMSO 4 Add 1/4 teaspoon of Xylitol The sugar substitute 5 Add 2 drops H2O2 35 per cent food grade. (I have 8% food grade and use 8 drops of it) The prevention is much better than the cure!! Stay on top of the situation by irrigating sinuses even when you don't think you needed. In the bad season where you live..where high levels of pollen,ragweed, mold spores ect daily is a must to stay ahead. I carry this with me in a 4 oz squeeze bottle as household dust, rag weed pollen, and moldy type dust or dust from grains..Dust from inside a computer. Watch out when you use a canned Air to blow out things. I now mow grass and weed eat the lawn, where I could not do this before. As soon as I come in from out side after mowing the yard I irrigate my sinus with the nealing pot and the above solution. In Harolds email to me over a year ago he stated he adjusted the MSM and DMSO according to the situation. I did not understand that statement at first. What adjusting means to me is..try more or less of the MSM .a little at a time to see if you nostrils can stand it. H2O2 can be pretty hot in the nostrils, so watch out. I know a man that uses H2O2 right out of a bottle (the kind that Walmart sells for cuts) when his sinus act up. I tried once a 1/2 water and 1/2 H2O2 and had to hold the sink as the burning was too much. I know this will help you if your sinuses react to the dust and other things around you. George Knoll.../Boonpaw (a name my grand kids gave me) [Original Message] From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: 10/3/2008 5:26:08 PM Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver/Sulphur Solution Can we get your recipe? On Oct 3, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Geoecom wrote: I have had sinus problems seance the early 60's Infections after infections, as many as 6 times in a year and sometimes 2 or 3 courses as one antibiotic did not do the trick. Last year I started using CS with a needling (I don't think that the way to spell it) pot to irradiate my sinuses. Later on some on this site helped me to see that adding MSM , DMSO and H202 with the CS would improve the over all effect. Now, over a year and 2 months I have not had to be treated for a sinus infection , have not had a running nose, inflamed sinus, ect. The Lord only knows how I have suffered with the pain, loss of effectiveness in work .sometime in bed with feeling to bad to be up, tired out and depression. as sinus problems can cause mood swings just from a cold or hot fount coming through. I get up everyday thanking the Lord FOR answering prayer in finding Cs and the silver-list. There are those who can help in the details of how, why and when ..I just wanted to chime in and say IT WORKS.. George Knoll ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSblue moons revisited
I have posted here before about my blue (grey) fingernail moons. For some time now, I have suspected that they are the result not solely of my heavy ingestion of CS for over 2 years a few years ago, but possibly from too much iron, some interaction of silver with iron overload. My iron levels have been high for at least several years, most likely were high when I was using so much CS daily. My latest blood test shows even higher iron levels, so storage iron (ferritin) has been increasing since 2005 at least. Anybody know any good way to chelate iron? Other than IP-6 that is, which I am going to start as soon as it gets here. I'm also reducing oral vit C, increasing whole grains and nuts, and reducing vit E, and increasing B vits per this site http://www.ironoverload.org/Diet.html I've been refused permission to donate blood, because of my adrenal fatigue, so that simple way of getting rid of excess iron is out for the present, unless I go doctor shopping again, and I don't have much enthusiasm in that. Where I live there are few choices in docs. I have been quite puzzled for years why some can take large amounts of CS for years and not get the grey nails, and a very few of us have gotten them. I haven't any other indication of argryia, and don't feel the nails are a problem at all besides being ugly. And I have NOT progressed from blue nails to any argryia elsewhere. I still use CS orally daily, though not as much except in certain circumstances (case of the runs or the like). In retrospect I would still do the heavy dosing of daily CS, even though it gave me ugly fingernails, because it did work for my purposes. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSblue moons revisited
- Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: CSblue moons revisited Hi Sol, Quote: [heavy ingestion of CS for over 2 years,] Just a question, what do you consider was a 'heavy ingestion'? ie; ppm and quantity taken? N. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
