Re: CSPlaying With Silver Citrate

[M. G. Devour]

Interesting stuff, Steve!

 Silver citrate is available commercially as a 2400 ppm
 concentrate.

Are you thinking about Microdyne, here, Stever?

[detailed report of experiment... snipped]

It sounds like you did indeed put a lot of silver in there!

 I have more questions now than when I started:
 
 * Is the 650 ma too high a current? I know that some use the high
 voltage of a microwave to generate CS. Is this equivalent to that?

I'll make a wild guess: If you ran 'til you saturated and it started to 
precipitate, you'd get an idea of how much silver a given 
volume/concentration can absorb. Any current would probably let you get 
to the same concentration, with the only variables being how long it 
takes and whether you boil the water!

You could maybe even calculate the amount you could get based on the 
chemical reaction between the silver and citrate. 

This reminds me of the old days, making CS with 3 9v batteries and a 
drop of brine solution as a starter and getting an alleged 1 ppm per 
minute while streams of bubbles came off the negative electrode and 
visible clouds of silver (silver chloride, I presume) came off the 
positive.

Definitely not an exercise in current limiting.

 * Do I need to balance the pH to something closer to 7.0 after
 generation?

What is the pH? Got test strips? Does it taste tart?

 * If I add tripotassium citrate will the silver oxide go back into
 solution as indicated by this patent:
 http://www.silver100.com/USPatent.PDF?
 
 * What percent of citric acid is best? If I add tripotassium citrate
 after the generation, can I achieve a stable solution with less citric
 acid?

There ya got me!? grin

Mike D.

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Re: CSLittle one with constant cold

[M. G. Devour]

 Can anyone advise on what more I can do for a fifteen month old who just
 seems to keep a cold...we put cs in his juice, give vitamins, no junk
 food. Today I put h202 in his ears and the bubbles just pored out of his
 ears...can this be done on a regular basis till the cold goes away? He
 is teething too.. I am going out to the health food store later to get
 some probiotics and maybe some vitamin C drops. Any suggestions would be
 appreciated, thanks debbie

Sounds like the peroxide is doing something, so I'd think about 
continuing it until the reaction tapers off, then repeating 
periodically.

Is/was the baby breast fed?

Has he had antibiotics, ever?

Now would probably be the time to teach him to like some fermented 
foods. (Rather than wait 'til he's 50!) grin

Mike D.

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Re: CSLittle one with constant cold

[M. G. Devour]

 His little ears foamed up like you wouldn't believe and after doing it
 two times the foaming stopped and his nose stopped running I also gave
 him cs, bought liquid vit c, and probiotics, for him too. I am just
 concerned if doing the ears with h202 is okay, he is teething something
 terrible and yes he has had antibiotics...not by my choice thats for
 sure. deb

Well, I've done the peroxide thing a couple of times in a couple of 
days and usually the second time showed minimal reaction. Seems you're 
seeing similar performance. It truly seems to calm down whatever is 
going on in the ear canal *and* the oxygen being liberated diffuses 
into the inner ear and does the same magic there.

Just be watchful... Stuff like that tends to recur and the treatment 
needs to, also. 

If he's had antibiotics -- ever! -- then the probiotics are probably 
called for.

Short of bowel tolerance, I don't remember hearing about any problems 
with vitamin C. 

Start his mom on juicing and fresh foods! That'll help the tyke!

Mike D.
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Re: CSLittle one with constant cold

[Deborah Gerard]

His little ears foamed up like you wouldn't believe and after doing it two 
times the foaming stopped and his nose stopped running I also gave him cs, 
bought liquid vit c, and probiotics, for him too. I am just concerned if doing 
the ears with h202 is okay, he is teething something terrible and yes he has 
had antibiotics...not by my choice thats for sure.
deb

--- On Sat, 11/22/08, M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote:

From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSLittle one with constant cold
To: cs silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 3:45 AM

 Can anyone advise on what more I can do for a fifteen month old who just
 seems to keep a cold...we put cs in his juice, give vitamins, no junk
 food. Today I put h202 in his ears and the bubbles just pored out of his
 ears...can this be done on a regular basis till the cold goes away? He
 is teething too.. I am going out to the health food store later to get
 some probiotics and maybe some vitamin C drops. Any suggestions would be
 appreciated, thanks debbie

Sounds like the peroxide is doing something, so I'd think about 
continuing it until the reaction tapers off, then repeating 
periodically.

Is/was the baby breast fed?

Has he had antibiotics, ever?

Now would probably be the time to teach him to like some fermented 
foods. (Rather than wait 'til he's 50!) grin

Mike D.

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CSMolecula silver

[ian_ontario]

http://mmsdr.com/index.php?page=moleculasilver

Can anyone tell me if this is just another my CS is better than your CS 
thing or if there is something substantial to what he is saying at his site? 
It bothers me that the solution is high in nitrates - silvernitrate ring a 
bell?  And the fact that there is no Tyndal Effect in the product?


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CSWas:Little one with cold, Now: Probiotics (hi Wayne!)

[marmar845]

Mike -- your comment (below) caught me up! My Mom just got out of the hospital from a bowel obstruction, which cleared itself after a few days. Preceding the obstruction, for the past couple months, has been very loud ongoing stomach gurgling. I just remembered that she was on antibiotics this past August for a bladder infection. Now I'm wondering if either of these conditions could be related to loss of beneficial gut flora. If so -- what probiotics would be best, and fastest, for an 87-year-old do you think?
MA


-- Original message from "M. G. Devour" mdev...@eskimo.com: --  If he's had antibiotics -- ever! -- then the probiotics are probably  called for. 

RE: CSLittle one with constant cold

[Carl Deb Charter]

Hi Deb,
 
Try Hyland's teething gel...you can get it at Swanson's Vitamins and
probably your local drug store.  The teething will make his nose run and
seem like he has a cold too. Will h202 burn the hair in his ears, does
anyone know?
 
Deb

-Original Message-
From: Deborah Gerard [mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:50 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSLittle one with constant cold



His little ears foamed up like you wouldn't believe and after doing it
two times the foaming stopped and his nose stopped running I also gave
him cs, bought liquid vit c, and probiotics, for him too. I am just
concerned if doing the ears with h202 is okay, he is teething something
terrible and yes he has had antibiotics...not by my choice thats for
sure.
deb

--- On Sat, 11/22/08, M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote:


From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSLittle one with constant cold
To: cs silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 3:45 AM


 Can anyone advise on what more I can do for a fifteen month old who
just

 seems to keep a cold...we put cs in his juice, give vitamins, no junk

 food. Today I put h202 in his ears and the bubbles just pored out of
his

 ears...can this be done on a regular basis till the cold goes away? He

 is teething too.. I am going out to the health food store later to get

 some probiotics and maybe some vitamin C drops. Any suggestions would
be

 appreciated, thanks debbie



Sounds like the peroxide is doing something, so I'd think about 

continuing it until the reaction tapers off, then repeating 

periodically.



Is/was the baby breast fed?



Has he had antibiotics, ever?



Now would probably be the time to teach him to like some fermented 

foods. (Rather than wait 'til he's 50!) grin



Mike D.



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Re: CSLittle one with constant cold

[mborgert]

My daughter was born with pneumonia, we got over that than she had a constant cold. I went in every other week for shots but it seemed like it was not clearing up. This went on for a year. 
One day I was sitting in the docs office with all of the other kiddies who also had colds than it dawned on me, just being here is reinforcing the cold, so I left.She never had a cold again.Still does not get colds...she is 40.
-- Original message from "M. G. Devour" mdev...@eskimo.com: --   Can anyone advise on what more I can do for a fifteen month old who just   seems to keep a cold...we put cs in his juice, give vitamins, no junk   food. Today I put h202 in his ears and the bubbles just pored out of his   ears...can this be done on a regular basis till the cold goes away? He   is teething too.. I am going out to the health food store later to get   some probiotics and maybe some vitamin C drops. Any suggestions would be   appreciated, thanks debbie   Sounds like the peroxide is doing something, so I'd think about  continuing it until the reaction tapers off, then repeating  periodically.   Is/was the baby breast fed?   Has he had antibiotics, ever?   Now would probably be the time to teach him to like some fermented  foods. (Rather than wait 'til he's 50!)   Mike D.   [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]  [mdev...@eskimo.com ]  [Speaking only for myself... ]--  The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.   Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org   To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com   Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com   The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down...   List maintainer: Mike Devour   

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RE: CSLittle one with constant cold

[jessie70]

Debbie, I've heard vicks vapor rub on the soles of your feet can help get
rid of the cold. I would chop garlic and add to his food. What about gving
children's echincea drops from the health food store? Jess

-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 3:50 AM
To: cs
Subject: Re: CSLittle one with constant cold


 Can anyone advise on what more I can do for a fifteen month old who just
 seems to keep a cold...we put cs in his juice, give vitamins, no junk
 food. Today I put h202 in his ears and the bubbles just pored out of his
 ears...can this be done on a regular basis till the cold goes away? He
 is teething too.. I am going out to the health food store later to get
 some probiotics and maybe some vitamin C drops. Any suggestions would be
 appreciated, thanks debbie

Sounds like the peroxide is doing something, so I'd think about
continuing it until the reaction tapers off, then repeating
periodically.

Is/was the baby breast fed?

Has he had antibiotics, ever?

Now would probably be the time to teach him to like some fermented
foods. (Rather than wait 'til he's 50!) grin

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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RE: CSLittle one with constant cold

[Deborah Gerard]

I vicks him downcs him, h202 him, now I have liquid vit C and probiotics 
and just found a ultrasonic vaporizer for him too to put cs in...hopefully once 
he gets all his teeth in, which should be soon because there is no more 
room..lol, he will get much better.

--- On Sat, 11/22/08, jessie70 jessi...@optonline.net wrote:

From: jessie70 jessi...@optonline.net
Subject: RE: CSLittle one with constant cold
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 5:24 PM

Debbie, I've heard vicks vapor rub on the soles of your feet can help get
rid of the cold. I would chop garlic and add to his food. What about gving
children's echincea drops from the health food store? Jess

-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 3:50 AM
To: cs
Subject: Re: CSLittle one with constant cold


 Can anyone advise on what more I can do for a fifteen month old who just
 seems to keep a cold...we put cs in his juice, give vitamins, no junk
 food. Today I put h202 in his ears and the bubbles just pored out of his
 ears...can this be done on a regular basis till the cold goes away? He
 is teething too.. I am going out to the health food store later to get
 some probiotics and maybe some vitamin C drops. Any suggestions would be
 appreciated, thanks debbie

Sounds like the peroxide is doing something, so I'd think about
continuing it until the reaction tapers off, then repeating
periodically.

Is/was the baby breast fed?

Has he had antibiotics, ever?

Now would probably be the time to teach him to like some fermented
foods. (Rather than wait 'til he's 50!) grin

Mike D.

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[mdev...@eskimo.com]
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Re: CSLittle one with constant cold

[Deborah Gerard]

He has had anti biotics in the past...my sister and I are taking care of him 
right now his mama passed away this summer.  We both feed him really healthy 
stuff...no cookies, candy nothing like that. So hopefully all the stuff that I 
have done and am giving her to give to him will help big time, and when the 
teeth stop coming in. I don't know about juicing sis is working six days a week 
and he goes to me and another family member to keep him from going to daycare 
too much along with other sick kids.


Well, I've done the peroxide thing a couple of times in a couple of 
days and usually the second time showed minimal reaction. Seems you're 
seeing similar performance. It truly seems to calm down whatever is 
going on in the ear canal *and* the oxygen being liberated diffuses 
into the inner ear and does the same magic there.

Just be watchful... Stuff like that tends to recur and the treatment 
needs to, also. 

If he's had antibiotics -- ever! -- then the probiotics are probably 
called for.

Short of bowel tolerance, I don't remember hearing about any problems 
with vitamin C. 

Start his mom on juicing and fresh foods! That'll help the tyke!


--



  

Re: CSPlaying With Silver Citrate

[Norton, Steve]

Mike,
Thanks for the input. The 2400 ppm silver citrate is a concentration sold by 
Bioscience. They are the ones generating the silver citrate by electrolysis and 
advertizing the antibacterial spray used in the prison. 
My wife talked to the gym owner about using the silver citrate as an 
antibacterial spray to protect against transfer of infections between gymnists. 
She is very interested. What she uses now is very toxic and expensive. When 
telling about the non-toxity of silver the owner was shocked when told I drink 
the solution! 
She will use the silver but wants to use the Bioscience product so I will be 
getting more info on purchasing the 2400 ppm concentrate. 
I haven't had time to really play with the silver citrate. The 400 ppm solution 
still shows no signs of precipitation. I had diluted some of the 400 ppm to 20 
ppm. The 20 ppm did precipitate out over night. There sure is a lot of silver 
in the solution even though it does not show when in solution/suspension! 
I think the 20 ppm precipitated because the citric acid concentration was below 
some min concentration needed to keep the silver as silver citrate. I plan on 
finding just what the min concetration of citric acid is. 
The solution definately has some tartness. I have a pool pH test kit somewhere 
but I will need to track it down. I have no problem taking the solution as is 
but do wonder if a low or high pH solution can inhibit ingestion of the silver 
citrate. 
When I was making the silver citrate, I was astonished to see hot the citric 
acid absorbed the silver with very little silver oxide forming on the negative 
electrode. 
I kept checking that there really was 650 ma current - using multiple meters to 
verify it. 
At some point I intend to use the method using silver oxide as the silver ion 
source. I will let you all know what I learn. 
 - Steve N


- Original Message -
From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat Nov 22 02:41:10 2008
Subject: Re: CSPlaying With Silver Citrate

Interesting stuff, Steve!

 Silver citrate is available commercially as a 2400 ppm
 concentrate.

Are you thinking about Microdyne, here, Stever?

[detailed report of experiment... snipped]

It sounds like you did indeed put a lot of silver in there!

 I have more questions now than when I started:
 
 * Is the 650 ma too high a current? I know that some use the high
 voltage of a microwave to generate CS. Is this equivalent to that?

I'll make a wild guess: If you ran 'til you saturated and it started to 
precipitate, you'd get an idea of how much silver a given 
volume/concentration can absorb. Any current would probably let you get 
to the same concentration, with the only variables being how long it 
takes and whether you boil the water!

You could maybe even calculate the amount you could get based on the 
chemical reaction between the silver and citrate. 

This reminds me of the old days, making CS with 3 9v batteries and a 
drop of brine solution as a starter and getting an alleged 1 ppm per 
minute while streams of bubbles came off the negative electrode and 
visible clouds of silver (silver chloride, I presume) came off the 
positive.

Definitely not an exercise in current limiting.

 * Do I need to balance the pH to something closer to 7.0 after
 generation?

What is the pH? Got test strips? Does it taste tart?

 * If I add tripotassium citrate will the silver oxide go back into
 solution as indicated by this patent:
 http://www.silver100.com/USPatent.PDF?
 
 * What percent of citric acid is best? If I add tripotassium citrate
 after the generation, can I achieve a stable solution with less citric
 acid?

There ya got me!? grin

Mike D.

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Re: CSLittle one with constant cold

[cking001]

On 11/22/2008 8:43:05 PM, Deborah Gerard (devorah...@yahoo.com) wrote:
 Thanks Chuck,
 Is there any harm in repeating it when he comes over again?
 thanks debbie

My experience is there's such a thing as too much of a good thing.
If you do it daily, that would be too much, as the ear may get dried
out an uncomfortably itchy.

A couple of times a month is probably a  good prophylactic during the
cold season.
And of course, when he shows symptoms...

CS daily is much better/easier.

Chuck
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