Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prills
Dan, that's pretty interesting, i am currently adding a magnesium supplement to my horses food that is supposed to help calm their nerveous system (He is very high strung). Maybe i should just throw a chunk of Prill in his water trough LOL. I would need a lot, it holds 70 gallons. On a side note, do you know where i could find information on what minerals are in glacial silt or how to test it? Tina --- On Sat, 6/19/10, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com Subject: CSMagnesium Oxide Prills To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 11:04 AM http://www.magnesiaspecialties.com/agricultural.htm AniMag®, CropMag®, ProMag®: Magnesium Oxide for Agricultural Applications High purity magnesium oxide supplements for animal feeds, crops, and fairways. Martin Marietta provides three magnesium oxide supplements for use in agricultural applications: AniMag magnesium oxide – A granular, high purity feed grade magnesium oxide processed from magnesium-rich brines, AniMag is an excellent source of magnesium for cattle, horses and poultry. CropMag magnesium oxide – A unique combination of magnesium sulfate and magnesium oxide in granular form, CropMag granules are gradually released in soil, providing an excellent source of magnesium for a variety of crops. ProMag magnesium oxide – A unique non-burning combination of magnesium sources in dust-free micro-prill form, ProMag is used in a wide range of plant nutrient applications, including golf greens and fairways, specialty turf, and gardens. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
OK I am going to go full force with them, and use them all the time right now. The only thing that concerns me is I want to put them in the empty water bottles that I buy the case. I read somewhere that they can't be stored in plastic for long periods of time and they will effect the bottles themselves. Any concerns or advice? My last big glass jar/bottle has stood for a couple of days with out any usage due to much work that needed to be done and is almost finished. Took some tonight and still really like the taste. Has anyone used it with CS yet and what are the results? Is there anywhere we can buy in bulk? I have so many ideas to use them and pass on to friends. Thank you Cathy In a message dated 6/21/2010 12:11:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, bodhisat...@mutemail.com writes: I agree, we had to add another half gallon Mason Jar of them because we went through 1 gallon so fast, not enough time to recharge them, the benefits not fully realized. Hopefully we're getting more benefit now that they seem to be charing longer. 10 hours at least and they 'start' to get good, but ideally, 24 hours as Bob says. Bob Banever wrote: Sandee, I hope you are letting the Prill beads soak in the water for at least 24 hours before drinking it. If not, you aren't getting the benefits of them. Bob - Original Message - From: Sandee George oha...@juno.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 9:56 AM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June Hi There to all, I purchased my Prill Beads from thewolfeclinic.com - now that I have them in hand - they are distributed by Life Enthusiast - so I have no way of telling whether these are the good ones or the bad ones. They are called Trans Derma Bath Prills - came in a 2 lb bag which is mesh packaged in a plastic bag. I did not put the entire mesh bag with the 2 lbs into a glass 1 gallon jar all at once - I opened the mesh bag and put about 1/3 of the beads into distilled water after washing them about five times under tap water - the water is clear, has a taste and is good to drink once it is placed in a smaller glass jug - closed - in the fridg - however, I have to say this far, I have had none of the intense reactions that others have had - with time I will be able to report more on this aspect. When I first opened the plastic bag I took my pendulum to check them, and it gave me a very intense positive reaction - I then asked both Bodhi Marshall to douse them and received the following readings : 550 ish 3-4 disharmonious freqs - I cleared them and then asked for another reading - I am still waiting for a reply from Bodhi who I know is very busy. Marshall's was firstly - can't find this reading in my files, however after I did my clearing thing, he gave me a reading of 925 - which I believe was higher than his first.I just had a glass to drink and used my pendulum on it before drinking it and got a positive response however not as intense as the first time I used it on them before putting them into the water or reducing the amount of beads, so maybe this has something to do with the reduced reaction by my pendulum. Will keep you all posted as my experience continues with time Regards to all Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
I occasionally have bought fruit juice in glass bottles, both 1L 350mL sizes - I was going to use these. I threw my plastic bottles out. I also bought a stainless steel bottle for the water i take in the car but for some reason I don't like it - but how would prill beads go in metal - anyone know? Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: cathy39...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 4:40 PM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June OK I am going to go full force with them, and use them all the time right now. The only thing that concerns me is I want to put them in the empty water bottles that I buy the case. I read somewhere that they can't be stored in plastic for long periods of time and they will effect the bottles themselves. Any concerns or advice? My last big glass jar/bottle has stood for a couple of days with out any usage due to much work that needed to be done and is almost finished. Took some tonight and still really like the taste. Has anyone used it with CS yet and what are the results? Is there anywhere we can buy in bulk? I have so many ideas to use them and pass on to friends. Thank you Cathy In a message dated 6/21/2010 12:11:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, bodhisat...@mutemail.com writes: I agree, we had to add another half gallon Mason Jar of them because we went through 1 gallon so fast, not enough time to recharge them, the benefits not fully realized. Hopefully we're getting more benefit now that they seem to be charing longer. 10 hours at least and they 'start' to get good, but ideally, 24 hours as Bob says. Bob Banever wrote: Sandee, I hope you are letting the Prill beads soak in the water for at least 24 hours before drinking it. If not, you aren't getting the benefits of them. Bob - Original Message - From: Sandee George oha...@juno.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 9:56 AM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June Hi There to all, I purchased my Prill Beads from thewolfeclinic.com - now that I have them in hand - they are distributed by Life Enthusiast - so I have no way of telling whether these are the good ones or the bad ones. They are called Trans Derma Bath Prills - came in a 2 lb bag which is mesh packaged in a plastic bag. I did not put the entire mesh bag with the 2 lbs into a glass 1 gallon jar all at once - I opened the mesh bag and put about 1/3 of the beads into distilled water after washing them about five times under tap water - the water is clear, has a taste and is good to drink once it is placed in a smaller glass jug - closed - in the fridg - however, I have to say this far, I have had none of the intense reactions that others have had - with time I will be able to report more on this aspect. When I first opened the plastic bag I took my pendulum to check them, and it gave me a very intense positive reaction - I then asked both Bodhi Marshall to douse them and received the following readings : 550 ish 3-4 disharmonious freqs - I cleared them and then asked for another reading - I am still waiting for a reply from Bodhi who I know is very busy. Marshall's was firstly - can't find this reading in my files, however after I did my clearing thing, he gave me a reading of 925 - which I believe was higher than his first.I just had a glass to drink and used my pendulum on it before drinking it and got a positive response however not as intense as the first time I used it on them before putting them into the water or reducing the amount of beads, so maybe this has something to do with the reduced reaction by my pendulum. Will keep you all posted as my experience continues with time Regards to all Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2396 - Release Date: 09/26/09 05:51:00
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 2 June - reply
Hi There Bob - thanks for this input - no I did not allow for 24 hours, however as of today it will be exactly that amount of time - so maybe I will start to get my kicks. We will see.!! Now I am totally surprised to find that this and others on this topic have reappeared on the CS and not the OT list so I am replying here to you on this one, however will not continue to do so with others, as Mike has asked that the OT list be used for this topic. Thanks to all Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prills
Hi Tina, Maybe you have found a cheap source of magnesium oxide prills. Can't be too expensive when bought for this use. Maybe you should put it in *your* water... Glacial silt should contain the minerals of the crushed rock of that area. I am under the impression that the benefits to the people of these areas comes from eating a simple and balanced diet of the plants irrigated with this water containing crushed rock, rather than just ingesting it themselves... I don't know how to test for minerals. Dan On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Christina Mattson tinamatt...@yahoo.comwrote: Dan, that's pretty interesting, i am currently adding a magnesium supplement to my horses food that is supposed to help calm their nerveous system (He is very high strung). Maybe i should just throw a chunk of Prill in his water trough LOL. I would need a lot, it holds 70 gallons. On a side note, do you know where i could find information on what minerals are in glacial silt or how to test it? Tina --- On *Sat, 6/19/10, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com Subject: CSMagnesium Oxide Prills To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 11:04 AM http://www.magnesiaspecialties.com/agricultural.htm AniMag®, CropMag®, ProMag®: Magnesium Oxide for Agricultural Applications High purity magnesium oxide supplements for animal feeds, crops, and fairways. Martin Marietta provides three magnesium oxide supplements for use in agricultural applications: AniMag magnesium oxide – A granular, high purity feed grade magnesium oxide processed from magnesium-rich brines, AniMag is an excellent source of magnesium for cattle, horses and poultry. CropMag magnesium oxide – A unique combination of magnesium sulfate and magnesium oxide in granular form, CropMag granules are gradually released in soil, providing an excellent source of magnesium for a variety of crops. ProMag magnesium oxide – A unique non-burning combination of magnesium sources in dust-free micro-prill form, ProMag is used in a wide range of plant nutrient applications, including golf greens and fairways, specialty turf, and gardens.
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prills
I encourage those that Dowse to dowse the Mag-Prills below, and then compare their results with the ones sold on Blind Guru. Let us know your findings (I already do but don't want to spoil the fun). Christina Mattson wrote: Dan, that's pretty interesting, i am currently adding a magnesium supplement to my horses food that is supposed to help calm their nerveous system (He is very high strung). Maybe i should just throw a chunk of Prill in his water trough LOL. I would need a lot, it holds 70 gallons. On a side note, do you know where i could find information on what minerals are in glacial silt or how to test it? Tina --- On *Sat, 6/19/10, Dan Nave /bhangcha...@gmail.com/* wrote: From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com Subject: CSMagnesium Oxide Prills To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 11:04 AM http://www.magnesiaspecialties.com/agricultural.htm AniMag®, CropMag®, ProMag®: Magnesium Oxide for Agricultural Applications High purity magnesium oxide supplements for animal feeds, crops, and fairways. Martin Marietta provides three magnesium oxide supplements for use in agricultural applications: AniMag magnesium oxide – A granular, high purity feed grade magnesium oxide processed from magnesium-rich brines, AniMag is an excellent source of magnesium for cattle, horses and poultry. CropMag magnesium oxide – A unique combination of magnesium sulfate and magnesium oxide in granular form, CropMag granules are gradually released in soil, providing an excellent source of magnesium for a variety of crops. ProMag magnesium oxide – A unique non-burning combination of magnesium sources in dust-free micro-prill form, ProMag is used in a wide range of plant nutrient applications, including golf greens and fairways, specialty turf, and gardens.
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prills
Bodhi, Where did Blind Guru say he got his prills from originally? I don't believe he actually makes them from scratch. Dan On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:53 AM, bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.comwrote: I encourage those that Dowse to dowse the Mag-Prills below, and then compare their results with the ones sold on Blind Guru. Let us know your findings (I already do but don't want to spoil the fun). Christina Mattson wrote: Dan, that's pretty interesting, i am currently adding a magnesium supplement to my horses food that is supposed to help calm their nerveous system (He is very high strung). Maybe i should just throw a chunk of Prill in his water trough LOL. I would need a lot, it holds 70 gallons. On a side note, do you know where i could find information on what minerals are in glacial silt or how to test it? Tina --- On *Sat, 6/19/10, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.combhangcha...@gmail.com * wrote: From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com bhangcha...@gmail.com Subject: CSMagnesium Oxide Prills To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 11:04 AM http://www.magnesiaspecialties.com/agricultural.htm AniMag®, CropMag®, ProMag®: Magnesium Oxide for Agricultural Applications High purity magnesium oxide supplements for animal feeds, crops, and fairways. Martin Marietta provides three magnesium oxide supplements for use in agricultural applications: AniMag magnesium oxide – A granular, high purity feed grade magnesium oxide processed from magnesium-rich brines, AniMag is an excellent source of magnesium for cattle, horses and poultry. CropMag magnesium oxide – A unique combination of magnesium sulfate and magnesium oxide in granular form, CropMag granules are gradually released in soil, providing an excellent source of magnesium for a variety of crops. ProMag magnesium oxide – A unique non-burning combination of magnesium sources in dust-free micro-prill form, ProMag is used in a wide range of plant nutrient applications, including golf greens and fairways, specialty turf, and gardens.
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prills
B lind gets his from Life-Enthusiast, and I do not know where they get their product. However, as I noted before, I am still in the Testing Phase of my Prill situation, and have not reached a point where I will fully endorse them. Generally, I like to personally test something for a year or more before recommending it to anyone. I'm pretty careful not to put my credibility on the line for something that doesn't work, might cause issues, or is a waste of money. For example I purchased salt crystal lamps for their reported ionization factor, but haven't really found them beneficial in terms of ionization. But they do look pretty, and give off a nice light, but I do not recommend them to people simply because I can't prove any health benefit from them. Although again, for a nice ambiance, they sure do give off nice light. Anything more than that, I haven't found anything, and don't recommend them. Prills, if after some time, I have benefit, and can compare that with others, and then start to draw some conclusions. It's going to be awhile before I will put my credibility on the line for prill beads, and if they don't perform or offer benefits, they'll be cast off.. But this is interesting off the MSDS don't you think Dave? It says not to store prills in water.. LOL! http://www.baymag.com/media/magnesium_oxide_msds.pdf Dan Nave wrote: Bodhi, Where did Blind Guru say he got his prills from originally? I don't believe he actually makes them from scratch. Dan On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:53 AM, bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com mailto:bodhisat...@mutemail.com wrote: I encourage those that Dowse to dowse the Mag-Prills below, and then compare their results with the ones sold on Blind Guru. Let us know your findings (I already do but don't want to spoil the fun). Christina Mattson wrote: Dan, that's pretty interesting, i am currently adding a magnesium supplement to my horses food that is supposed to help calm their nerveous system (He is very high strung). Maybe i should just throw a chunk of Prill in his water trough LOL. I would need a lot, it holds 70 gallons. On a side note, do you know where i could find information on what minerals are in glacial silt or how to test it? Tina --- On *Sat, 6/19/10, Dan Nave /bhangcha...@gmail.com mailto:bhangcha...@gmail.com/* wrote: From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com mailto:bhangcha...@gmail.com Subject: CSMagnesium Oxide Prills To: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 11:04 AM http://www.magnesiaspecialties.com/agricultural.htm AniMag®, CropMag®, ProMag®: Magnesium Oxide for Agricultural Applications High purity magnesium oxide supplements for animal feeds, crops, and fairways. Martin Marietta provides three magnesium oxide supplements for use in agricultural applications: AniMag magnesium oxide – A granular, high purity feed grade magnesium oxide processed from magnesium-rich brines, AniMag is an excellent source of magnesium for cattle, horses and poultry. CropMag magnesium oxide – A unique combination of magnesium sulfate and magnesium oxide in granular form, CropMag granules are gradually released in soil, providing an excellent source of magnesium for a variety of crops. ProMag magnesium oxide – A unique non-burning combination of magnesium sources in dust-free micro-prill form, ProMag is used in a wide range of plant nutrient applications, including golf greens and fairways, specialty turf, and gardens.
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
I have great sympathy with this point of view Dave, as I am and always will be - I hopea skeptic. My logical mind says it is all nonsense, but sometimes a tiny voice says'hmm - you never know'so I still keep an open mind, just in case someone can ever *prove* any of it to me lol dee On 20 Jun 2010, at 21:42, Dave Darrin wrote: You are right up to a point. My concern is that people on this list may take up on something outlandish and miss out or delay using a factual protocol that could do them a world of good if not save their lives. Whenever this kind of thing shows up it aggravates me to no end ( holy water is ordinary tap water) (blessing before killing doesn't make it less dead) All the other mystic stuff, too numerous to quantify is what I called CRAP. You are right that it is all Perception, that is what gives us the placebo effect. But it seldom ever continues to help over a period of time. Dave \ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Open questioning is healthy, skepticism is another 'ism' and is therefore, harmful. Many a person has suffered because of adherence to yet another 'ism', which in the case of being a skeptic, simply taking it too far. You can skepticism yourself right out of effective healing, miracles, and even a broader sense of reality. So for example, remaining open, yet constantly seeking, is a wise move in my opinion, and this is what I do. I never take anything at face value, which is why I test, test, test again, physically and spiritually, and test over expanded time frames, and invest in what I need to run these tests, sometimes hundreds of dollars in testing gear. It's not because I subscribe to an 'ism', it's because I like to satiate the desire of my left hemisphere to see affirmation, while keeping my intuitive side on the right track. For prills, it's a low cost investment, just a few dollars. The drum beat of them has been steadily increasing over the years, and a few people I consider pretty health conscious, are advocates of them. So I examined them over time, before ordering. Then a few more people chimed in, such as Mr. Booth, an expert spiritual dowser that indicated he found a 800% improvement in water treated with them. Then Marshall comes in with similar findings, then another guru I know chimes in. So for a few dollars, I try it, and carefully, slowly, examine the processes of it, of which I am still doing. I run various water tests to determine the activity of it, and watch my biological processes for beneficial or negative responses to it. I test it on others willing to test, and some not knowing they are being tested. Even so, I still continue my research, Dave has actually provided me more information to further that research, and I am actually grateful. The top scientists in the world are the ones conducting backroom and basement experiments, these are the movers and shakers. Not these white coated charlatans at major universities. I contacted one about Ice Spikes one time, and was told it is Impossible to duplicate them outside of controlled circumstances. I explained exactly how I can do it, and do it repeatedly, and he said That's nonsense, and stopped talking to me. That's the kind of ridiculous close minded, skepticism that's screwing this country up - the one these so-called experts have an abundance of. My friend Magda Havas proved, without doubt, that EMF exposure accelerates our aging, and in the process of doing that, accelerates the symptoms of aging, including tumors. We wait around for study after study, discussion after discussion, and nothing ever gets done.. She invests in her own equipment, runs her own studies, and comes up with results that nobody can really deny. She's a true scientist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7E36zGHxRw Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: I have great sympathy with this point of view Dave, as I am and always will be - I hopea skeptic. My logical mind says it is all nonsense, but sometimes a tiny voice says'hmm - you never know'so I still keep an open mind, just in case someone can ever *prove* any of it to me lol dee On 20 Jun 2010, at 21:42, Dave Darrin wrote: You are right up to a point. My concern is that people on this list may take up on something outlandish and miss out or delay using a factual protocol that could do them a world of good if not save their lives. Whenever this kind of thing shows up it aggravates me to no end ( holy water is ordinary tap water) (blessing before killing doesn't make it less dead) All the other mystic stuff, too numerous to quantify is what I called CRAP. You are right that it is all Perception, that is what gives us the placebo effect. But it seldom ever continues to help over a period of time. Dave \
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Your opinion, not mine. dee On 21 Jun 2010, at 20:22, bodhisattva wrote: Open questioning is healthy, skepticism is another 'ism' and is therefore, harmful. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Not an opinion, a fact. Skepticism itself is a 'doctrine', and a 'Skeptic' is a preacher of this doctrine/religion. Ism' is basically something taken too far, before one engages their logical, and intuitive mind to take a rational, healthy approach to something. The dictionary defines an 'ism' as an oppressive and especially discriminatory attitude or belief. Fundamentalism Islamicism Rationalism Skepticism Buddhism Hinduism Catholicism Evanglicalism All the same, just another oppressive doctrine. Like I said a good healthy, open mind, with an intuitive sense of wonder, and a logical sense of investigation is best termed 'normal'. Anything else, is probably considered to be some degree of insanity, or irrational overzealousness.. Prill beads, and this discussion I will continue on the off-topic list if it is warranted. Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: Your opinion, not mine. dee On 21 Jun 2010, at 20:22, bodhisattva wrote: Open questioning is healthy, skepticism is another 'ism' and is therefore, harmful.
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How Imbalanced Digestive Bacteria Cause Obesity Heart Disease by Byron Richards, CCN _http://www.wellnessresources.com/weight/articles/how_imbalanced_digestive_b acteria_cause_obesity_heart_disease/_ (http://www.wellnessresources.com/weight/articles/how_imbalanced_digestive_bacteria_cause_obesity_heart_disease/) Science now reveals that the foreign contents within your digestive tract play a dramatic role in your energy level, metabolic function, body weight, and cardiovascular health. While it is not the only causative factor involved in obesity and the metabolic syndrome it is a significant contributing factor for virtually any overweight person – especially someone who has difficulty losing weight and keeping it off. This past week the national media attempted to cover the breaking news story that obesity was linked to the wrong type of bacteria in your stomach. The inability of each station’s supposed health expert to properly explain what the study meant is a testament to the poor training physicians have in actually understanding how the human body functions. As soon as a story isn’t involved with a surgery, diagnostic procedure, or drug to be given they are at a loss. The widely reported story was based on animal research performed at _Emory University School of Medicine_ (http://www.wellnessresources.com/studies/entry/altered_gut_bacteria_associated_with_obesity) . Lead author, Matam Vijay-Kumar, PhD, has been studying a mouse engineered to lack an important gene signal that helps to recognize bacteria propelling themselves around, Toll-like receptor 5 (TLR5). This one change causes the mouse to have an excessive appetite (eating 10% more than normal), develop insulin resistance, have high blood pressure, have elevated levels of cholesterol and triglycerides, develop fatty liver disease, and become 20% heavier than normal mice. In short, the mouse develops the condition known as metabolic syndrome that is an epidemic in America. The mouse also tends to develop ulcerative colitis and Crohn’s disease. The researchers determined that it is the flora content, or microbiota of the intestinal tract that is the source of the problem. Because the mouse lacks TLR5 the wrong type of bacteria overgrow in the stomach. Interestingly, when the researchers transferred the overgrown bacteria to normal mice they also developed metabolic syndrome abnormalities. This overgrowth of bacteria fueled obesity and it was found that the bacteria actually made the mice have inappropriate food cravings. If food was restricted the mice did not get fat but insulin resistance persisted, which of course leads to type II diabetes. While there are over a thousand different kinds of bacteria that naturally live within your digestive tract, there are two main classes: Firmicutes and Bacteroidetes. TLR5 mice have abnormal Firmicute populations causing the problem. “It has been assumed that the obesity epidemic in the developed world is driven by an increasingly sedentary lifestyle and the abundance of low-cost high-calorie foods,” says senior author Andrew Gewirtz, PhD, associate professor of pathology and laboratory medicine at Emory University School of Medicine. “However, our results suggest that excess caloric consumption is not only a result of undisciplined eating but that intestinal bacteria contribute to changes in appetite and metabolism.” Earlier Research on Firmicutes and Bacteroidetes The famous mouse that makes no leptin, the ob/ob mouse, eats endlessly and becomes extremely obese. This mouse has a _50% reduction in Bacteroidetes_ (http://www.wellnessresources.com/studies/entry/obesity_changes_gut_microbial_ecology) and a proportional increase in Firmicutes. This means that the condition of obesity itself is causing there to be excess numbers of Firmicutes. Through a variety of experiments with genetically altered mice scientists now believe that excessive populations of the wrong type of Firmicutes activate enzymes that promote the storage of fat in fat cells (adipocytes). This means that what is going on in your gut can have a direct impact on where calories go in your body. Firmicutes are gram positive bacteria, many of which are friendly and essential to human digestion, such as Lactobacillus. On the other side of the Firmicute coin are members in the Streptococcus and Clostridium families, responsible for many infections. What Does All This Mean to Your Health? The short answer is plenty. A bit more explaining is required. Also this past week _Chinese researchers_ (http://www.wellnessresources.com/studies/entry/the_gut_microbial_gene_frontier) released a report on 3.3 million microbial genes obtained from the fecal samples of 124 individuals from Denmark and Spain. The gene set is 150 times larger than the entire human genome. Over 99% of the genes are bacterial, indicating between 1,000 and 1,150 prevalent bacterial species. Each individual has at least 160
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
...wow, what great science. Let's thus toss out electromagnetism, abstractionism, aphorism Actually, the word skepticism is a very revealing word with an interesting history and word origin. The word ism actually means doctrine, system, manner, condition, at and characteristic. The history of the word skeptic started with philosophy of the Pyrrho of Elis, who fought dogmatism by showing reasons for doubting it, but which today is the position that absolute knowledge is impossible but that science can succeed with relative certainty. The word comes from the latin word scepticus and Greek skeptikos skeptic from skeptesthai to examine closely. This word comes from a the root, PIE *spek-/*spok- look, see (i.e. spectator, inspect, and even spice ). Spice via the French version of Latin species, which originally meant kind, type, but later came to mean wares and then spice. Finally, the [p] and [k] traded places in Greek (metathesis), where we find skopein to see, like in some great words words telescope, microscope, and the new (slang) verb to scope out. Thus, the word skepticism literally can be translated to mean: To examine closely in an orderly manner. Nice word that. In my experience, 9-10 People who don't like the word skepticism or skeptics usually don't because the things they say fall apart quickly under close examination. Your experience may be different though. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: bodhisattva To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:08 PM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June Not an opinion, a fact. Skepticism itself is a 'doctrine', and a 'Skeptic' is a preacher of this doctrine/religion. Ism' is basically something taken too far, before one engages their logical, and intuitive mind to take a rational, healthy approach to something. The dictionary defines an 'ism' as an oppressive and especially discriminatory attitude or belief. Fundamentalism Islamicism Rationalism Skepticism Buddhism Hinduism Catholicism Evanglicalism All the same, just another oppressive doctrine. Like I said a good healthy, open mind, with an intuitive sense of wonder, and a logical sense of investigation is best termed 'normal'. Anything else, is probably considered to be some degree of insanity, or irrational overzealousness.. Prill beads, and this discussion I will continue on the off-topic list if it is warranted. Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: Your opinion, not mine. dee On 21 Jun 2010, at 20:22, bodhisattva wrote: Open questioning is healthy, skepticism is another 'ism' and is therefore, harmful. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Thank you Dee I've been around long enough now that I feel that if there was any credibility to such stuff I would have run across some inkling of it by now--So my mind is pretty well closed unless something hits me in the face. Dave On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: I have great sympathy with this point of view Dave, as I am and always will be - I hopea skeptic. My logical mind says it is all nonsense, but sometimes a tiny voice says'hmm - you never know'so I still keep an open mind, just in case someone can ever *prove* any of it to me lol dee On 20 Jun 2010, at 21:42, Dave Darrin wrote: You are right up to a point. My concern is that people on this list may take up on something outlandish and miss out or delay using a factual protocol that could do them a world of good if not save their lives. Whenever this kind of thing shows up it aggravates me to no end ( holy water is ordinary tap water) (blessing before killing doesn't make it less dead) All the other mystic stuff, too numerous to quantify is what I called CRAP. You are right that it is all Perception, that is what gives us the placebo effect. But it seldom ever continues to help over a period of time. Dave \ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I have found skeptics to be basically fence sitters which means they are usually pains in the A*se whereas I walk a razor's edged path so it's my feet that are sore. Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: Jason R Eaton resea...@silvermedicine.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:35 AM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June ...wow, what great science. Let's thus toss out electromagnetism, abstractionism, aphorism Actually, the word skepticism is a very revealing word with an interesting history and word origin. The word ism actually means doctrine, system, manner, condition, at and characteristic. The history of the word skeptic started with philosophy of the Pyrrho of Elis, who fought dogmatism by showing reasons for doubting it, but which today is the position that absolute knowledge is impossible but that science can succeed with relative certainty. The word comes from the latin word scepticus and Greek skeptikos skeptic from skeptesthai to examine closely. This word comes from a the root, PIE *spek-/*spok- look, see (i.e. spectator, inspect, and even spice ). Spice via the French version of Latin species, which originally meant kind, type, but later came to mean wares and then spice. Finally, the [p] and [k] traded places in Greek (metathesis), where we find skopein to see, like in some great words words telescope, microscope, and the new (slang) verb to scope out. Thus, the word skepticism literally can be translated to mean: To examine closely in an orderly manner. Nice word that. In my experience, 9-10 People who don't like the word skepticism or skeptics usually don't because the things they say fall apart quickly under close examination. Your experience may be different though. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: bodhisattva To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:08 PM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June Not an opinion, a fact. Skepticism itself is a 'doctrine', and a 'Skeptic' is a preacher of this doctrine/religion. Ism' is basically something taken too far, before one engages their logical, and intuitive mind to take a rational, healthy approach to something. The dictionary defines an 'ism' as an oppressive and especially discriminatory attitude or belief. Fundamentalism Islamicism Rationalism Skepticism Buddhism Hinduism Catholicism Evanglicalism All the same, just another oppressive doctrine. Like I said a good healthy, open mind, with an intuitive sense of wonder, and a logical sense of investigation is best termed 'normal'. Anything else, is probably considered to be some degree of insanity, or irrational overzealousness.. Prill beads, and this discussion I will continue on the off-topic list if it is warranted. Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: Your opinion, not mine. dee On 21 Jun 2010, at 20:22, bodhisattva wrote: Open questioning is healthy, skepticism is another 'ism' and is therefore, harmful. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2396 - Release Date: 09/26/09 05:51:00
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
You put it directly, I said the same thing nicely. Basically, skeptics are 'dead energy', nothing moves either way, nothing happens. Jane MacRoss wrote: I have found skeptics to be basically fence sitters which means they are usually pains in the A*se whereas I walk a razor's edged path so it's my feet that are sore. Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: Jason R Eaton resea...@silvermedicine.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:35 AM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June ...wow, what great science. Let's thus toss out electromagnetism, abstractionism, aphorism Actually, the word skepticism is a very revealing word with an interesting history and word origin. The word ism actually means doctrine, system, manner, condition, at and characteristic. The history of the word skeptic started with philosophy of the Pyrrho of Elis, who fought dogmatism by showing reasons for doubting it, but which today is the position that absolute knowledge is impossible but that science can succeed with relative certainty. The word comes from the latin word scepticus and Greek skeptikos skeptic from skeptesthai to examine closely. This word comes from a the root, PIE *spek-/*spok- look, see (i.e. spectator, inspect, and even spice ). Spice via the French version of Latin species, which originally meant kind, type, but later came to mean wares and then spice. Finally, the [p] and [k] traded places in Greek (metathesis), where we find skopein to see, like in some great words words telescope, microscope, and the new (slang) verb to scope out. Thus, the word skepticism literally can be translated to mean: To examine closely in an orderly manner. Nice word that. In my experience, 9-10 People who don't like the word skepticism or skeptics usually don't because the things they say fall apart quickly under close examination. Your experience may be different though. Best Regards, Jason -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I value close scrutiny, and examination of my findings, I encourage others to explore anything I say, and determine if it is the truth for themselves. In fact, I encourage it, and will provide all of the data necessary to facilitate it, I've even recently sent off orgonite to scientists for examination - and have heard back remarkable results. I love it! Anyway.. Most Skeptics I know are some of the most limited, closed minded, and dogmatic individuals I've ever met. Let's not forget, the source of something doesn't always have relevance for what it means today, so the history of Skepticism doesn't necessarily apply to what it means today. Giving someone the middle finger in the 17th century doesn't mean what it means today. During WWII the phrase Whole Nine Yards, meant something very different than it does today. Let's examine the dictionary on Skepticism.. Main Entry: *ism* Pronunciation: \?i-z?m\ Function: /noun/ Etymology: /-ism/ Date: 1680 *1* *:* a distinctive doctrine, cause, or theory *2* *:* an oppressive and especially discriminatory attitude or belief we all have got to come to grips with our ism/s/ --- Joycelyn Elders Line number one the key word is Distinctive, which means Specific Style or Different from accepted meaning. For example if someone has a giant nose, twice the size of anyone else, he has a Distinctive nose. So based on that, line would would probably mean that an ism is a extrapoliation of something - that is - to 'overblow' something, or to take something a bit too far. Hence, Fundamentalism or Islamicism are basically an accepted norm, taken to 'Distinctive' (overblown) levels far beyond the intention. The second line is fairly self explanatory, and relates to the first quite closely. That is, 'isms' tend to be limiting, discriminatory, and oppressive. Such as Communism or Capitalism, or Corporatism. Good healthy investigation, contemplation, and anecdotal testing are the trademarks of a wise, intelligent, and discerning person. Skepticism is the trademark of a zealot, and usually anyone that is into skepticism, is also into some other 'ism', they collect them, like beer cans or baseball caps. The owner of this list is someone I consider to have a healthy, investigative, and contemplating mind, willing to try things, discard what doesn't work, and keep what does, but open enough to actually try - a mark of a genius. A /skepticism /person would quickly discount virtually anything, and everything. Dr. Hawkin's says all skeptic sites calibrate below 200, or below the level of truth, and that skepticism itself calibrates under 200 as a 'doctrine'. My father in-law is a huge skeptic, nothing shakes him, even the most miraculous events he always finds an 'explanation' to suit his skepticism. It's incredibly limiting, but more than that, it is DANGEROUS because discernment is lost, and power is handed over to those that aren't skeptics, and are willing to 'do something'. A silly example, I was over at my inlaws for dinner, he started cooking hamburger, I could smell it was ROTTED from the other room, I mentioned this. He said You can't know that, it's still red which means it is fine!.. Well Mr. Skeptic, they squirt Carbon Dioxide on meat to keep it red, even after it rots. But no convincing the skeptic, and chomp down the rotted meat they all did, and sick they all got. Such is the life of an ism' skeptic. Jason R Eaton wrote: ...wow, what great science. Let's thus toss out electromagnetism, abstractionism, aphorism Actually, the word skepticism is a very revealing word with an interesting history and word origin. The word ism actually means doctrine, system, manner, condition, at and characteristic. The history of the word skeptic started with philosophy of the Pyrrho of Elis, who fought dogmatism by showing reasons for doubting it, but which today is the position that absolute knowledge is impossible but that science can succeed with relative certainty. The word comes from the latin word scepticus and Greek skeptikos skeptic from skeptesthai to examine closely. This word comes from a the root, PIE *spek-/*spok- look, see (i.e. spectator, inspect, and even spice ). Spice via the French version of Latin species, which originally meant kind, type, but later came to mean wares and then spice. Finally, the [p] and [k] traded places in Greek (metathesis), where we find skopein to see, like in some great words words telescope, microscope, and the new (slang) verb to scope out. Thus, the word skepticism literally can be translated to mean: To examine closely in an orderly manner. Nice word that. In my experience, 9-10 People who don't like the word skepticism or skeptics usually don't because the things they say fall apart quickly under close examination. Your experience may be different though. Best Regards, Jason
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Jason, Bodhi, Jason, meet Bodhi. Bodhi, this is Jason. I'd like to encourage both of you to take the time to explore either on the OT list or privately, the common ground between you as well as the areas in which you might differ. Both of you might be unaware that the other has considerable experience and thought behind their positions. Jason, I suspect Bodhi's somewhat hyperbolic treatment of the word 'skepticism' is in reaction to the kind of close orderly examination that meets all of alternative health and other enlightened thinking when it encounters mainstream resistance. He's had more experience with that sort of thing than most people, I suspect. Bodhi, you might not want to let your brush sweep so widely. I'm a skeptic, you're a skeptic, Jason's a skeptic... You demonstrate it by your stubborn examination of things and lengthy testing periods. Skepticism *is* healthy -- *when* it's healthy. If by 'skepticism' you mean closed-minded refusal to address any questioning of established dogma and rejection of all evidence that cannot be explained in conventional terms, then of course you're right. But such a corruption of language is just that, and distorts efforts at intelligent communication. I wish you peace, my friends. Mike D. Jason writes: ...wow, what great science. Actually, the word skepticism is a very revealing word with an interesting history and word origin... Thus, the word skepticism literally can be translated to mean: To examine closely in an orderly manner. Nice word that. In my experience, 9-10 People who don't like the word skepticism or skeptics usually don't because the things they say fall apart quickly under close examination. In response to the following comment (and follow-on) by Bodhi: Open questioning is healthy, skepticism is another 'ism' and is therefore, harmful. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Jane My answer to that is jump off the razor edge on the side of proven protocol and give your feet a rest. Of course looking on the other side to see if you missed anything good now and then should be less perplexing. I don't even look anymore, If I hadn't seen anything in the past 75 years it is highly unlikely I would recognise it anyway. Hurray for SPAM boxes and programs to send messages that offend the sensibilitys there. Dave On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.netwrote: I have found skeptics to be basically fence sitters which means they are usually pains in the A*se whereas I walk a razor's edged path so it's my feet that are sore. Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: Jason R Eaton resea...@silvermedicine.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:35 AM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June ...wow, what great science. Let's thus toss out electromagnetism, abstractionism, aphorism Actually, the word skepticism is a very revealing word with an interesting history and word origin. The word ism actually means doctrine, system, manner, condition, at and characteristic. The history of the word skeptic started with philosophy of the Pyrrho of Elis, who fought dogmatism by showing reasons for doubting it, but which today is the position that absolute knowledge is impossible but that science can succeed with relative certainty. The word comes from the latin word scepticus and Greek skeptikos skeptic from skeptesthai to examine closely. This word comes from a the root, PIE *spek-/*spok- look, see (i.e. spectator, inspect, and even spice ). Spice via the French version of Latin species, which originally meant kind, type, but later came to mean wares and then spice. Finally, the [p] and [k] traded places in Greek (metathesis), where we find skopein to see, like in some great words words telescope, microscope, and the new (slang) verb to scope out. Thus, the word skepticism literally can be translated to mean: To examine closely in an orderly manner. Nice word that. In my experience, 9-10 People who don't like the word skepticism or skeptics usually don't because the things they say fall apart quickly under close examination. Your experience may be different though. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: bodhisattva To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:08 PM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June Not an opinion, a fact. Skepticism itself is a 'doctrine', and a 'Skeptic' is a preacher of this doctrine/religion. Ism' is basically something taken too far, before one engages their logical, and intuitive mind to take a rational, healthy approach to something. The dictionary defines an 'ism' as an oppressive and especially discriminatory attitude or belief. Fundamentalism Islamicism Rationalism Skepticism Buddhism Hinduism Catholicism Evanglicalism All the same, just another oppressive doctrine. Like I said a good healthy, open mind, with an intuitive sense of wonder, and a logical sense of investigation is best termed 'normal'. Anything else, is probably considered to be some degree of insanity, or irrational overzealousness.. Prill beads, and this discussion I will continue on the off-topic list if it is warranted. Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: Your opinion, not mine. dee On 21 Jun 2010, at 20:22, bodhisattva wrote: Open questioning is healthy, skepticism is another 'ism' and is therefore, harmful. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2396 - Release Date: 09/26/09 05:51:00
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Hi Bodhisattva: Your remarks are (and quite classically) very prejudicial. Skeptics are not armchair philosophers. They are scientists, with a varying degree of skill, that are quite active in world of inquiry. Granted, there are many people who don't understand the term and claim to be one, but this is universal with any belief system. The true skeptic ideology ignores belief altogether as absent of real existance. A belief is only a form of energy (a very feeble one, usually) and has only a fleeting connection with reality (objective or perceived). And while most ardent skeptics are very existential, they ***do not ever*** fall into the trap of discounting anecdotal evidence. This of course means that a good skeptic cannot afford an atheistic viewpoint any more than a good skeptic can afford a perspective of fervent religious faith. This usually makes the true skeptic a highly successful, achieved, and qualified scientist. However, like most disciples of truth, finding a good practitioner can be extremely rare. http://www.skeptic.com Most people of spiritual concerns are deeply resentful of skepticism. This is quite sad, as I was personally taught to apply this very buddhistic idea first and foremost with the mental and emotional realm as a part of a healthy spiritual discipline. Equally, however, people neglect to remember that the end result of inquiry is either a demonstration of fact or a lack of conclusion. With most actual real spiritual pursuits, the act of inquiry will lead to a lack of conclusion... and yet, hopefully, the collection of useful data. A skeptic is ok with being left in doubt; a believer is usually NOT ok with that uncomfortable concept. However, there are times when skepticism has demonstrated beyond any possible doubt the reality of certain religious, spiritual and philisophical practices. I could list some of the spiritual greats of world history (few of which have come from the English speaking world) that embrace the art of Inquiry (need I neglect to mention the Indian sage who perfect the art of Self Inqiry from atma-vicara?)... but someone else already did a good job with historic figures for me: http://www.healthyskepticism.org/global/quotes/list/science/ I actually view your weak and unsubstantiated (not to mention not very well thought out) negativity against the idea of the skeptic as an attack which needs a few moments of reasonable defense. While the off topic list is the perfect place for such things to be discussed, I think that THIS list needs to remain very open to inquiry and questioning and doubt... for the benefit of the people who do not believe as you do. If you had stated that you are a Nazi and hate jews, you would have been banned from this list. However, it appears that other forms of prejudism are well tolerated. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 3:06 PM Subject: Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June You put it directly, I said the same thing nicely. Basically, skeptics are 'dead energy', nothing moves either way, nothing happens. Jane MacRoss wrote: I have found skeptics to be basically fence sitters which means they are usually pains in the A*se whereas I walk a razor's edged path so it's my feet that are sore. Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: Jason R Eaton resea...@silvermedicine.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:35 AM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June ...wow, what great science. Let's thus toss out electromagnetism, abstractionism, aphorism Actually, the word skepticism is a very revealing word with an interesting history and word origin. The word ism actually means doctrine, system, manner, condition, at and characteristic. The history of the word skeptic started with philosophy of the Pyrrho of Elis, who fought dogmatism by showing reasons for doubting it, but which today is the position that absolute knowledge is impossible but that science can succeed with relative certainty. The word comes from the latin word scepticus and Greek skeptikos skeptic from skeptesthai to examine closely. This word comes from a the root, PIE *spek-/*spok- look, see (i.e. spectator, inspect, and even spice ). Spice via the French version of Latin species, which originally meant kind, type, but later came to mean wares and then spice. Finally, the [p] and [k] traded places in Greek (metathesis), where we find skopein to see, like in some great words words telescope, microscope, and the new (slang) verb to scope out. Thus, the word skepticism literally can be translated to mean: To examine closely in an orderly manner. Nice word that. In my experience, 9-10 People who don't like
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
This isn't relevant at all, since I clearly state - I ENJOY inquiry and investigation, and encourage it. That's healthy, but that's not skepticism, which is not careful, rational, and intuitive study/investigation/exploration/trial, but an extreme of such to the point that outcomes are often ignored, or summarily discounted. Anything else is arguing over semantics, and you are welcome to do that.. With /yourself/. We already have a fine example of a skeptic in a previous email, let me quote it here; (and this is totally fine, it's a reality he is comfortable with, God bless him) /I don't even look anymore, If I hadn't seen anything in the past 75 years it is highly unlikely I would recognize it anyway. / Jason R Eaton wrote: Hi Bodhisattva: snip
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Science will eventually catch up with Spirit, but if it gets ahead of Spirit then we are in dire straits, and we are. Science, the intellect, is of no value without the Heart of Spirit. Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: Jason R Eaton resea...@silvermedicine.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:37 AM Subject: Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June Hi Bodhisattva: Your remarks are (and quite classically) very prejudicial. Skeptics are not armchair philosophers. They are scientists, with a varying degree of skill, that are quite active in world of inquiry. Granted, there are many people who don't understand the term and claim to be one, but this is universal with any belief system. The true skeptic ideology ignores belief altogether as absent of real existance. A belief is only a form of energy (a very feeble one, usually) and has only a fleeting connection with reality (objective or perceived). And while most ardent skeptics are very existential, they ***do not ever*** fall into the trap of discounting anecdotal evidence. This of course means that a good skeptic cannot afford an atheistic viewpoint any more than a good skeptic can afford a perspective of fervent religious faith. This usually makes the true skeptic a highly successful, achieved, and qualified scientist. However, like most disciples of truth, finding a good practitioner can be extremely rare. http://www.skeptic.com Most people of spiritual concerns are deeply resentful of skepticism. This is quite sad, as I was personally taught to apply this very buddhistic idea first and foremost with the mental and emotional realm as a part of a healthy spiritual discipline. Equally, however, people neglect to remember that the end result of inquiry is either a demonstration of fact or a lack of conclusion. With most actual real spiritual pursuits, the act of inquiry will lead to a lack of conclusion... and yet, hopefully, the collection of useful data. A skeptic is ok with being left in doubt; a believer is usually NOT ok with that uncomfortable concept. However, there are times when skepticism has demonstrated beyond any possible doubt the reality of certain religious, spiritual and philisophical practices. I could list some of the spiritual greats of world history (few of which have come from the English speaking world) that embrace the art of Inquiry (need I neglect to mention the Indian sage who perfect the art of Self Inqiry from atma-vicara?)... but someone else already did a good job with historic figures for me: http://www.healthyskepticism.org/global/quotes/list/science/ I actually view your weak and unsubstantiated (not to mention not very well thought out) negativity against the idea of the skeptic as an attack which needs a few moments of reasonable defense. While the off topic list is the perfect place for such things to be discussed, I think that THIS list needs to remain very open to inquiry and questioning and doubt... for the benefit of the people who do not believe as you do. If you had stated that you are a Nazi and hate jews, you would have been banned from this list. However, it appears that other forms of prejudism are well tolerated. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 3:06 PM Subject: Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June You put it directly, I said the same thing nicely. Basically, skeptics are 'dead energy', nothing moves either way, nothing happens. Jane MacRoss wrote: I have found skeptics to be basically fence sitters which means they are usually pains in the A*se whereas I walk a razor's edged path so it's my feet that are sore. Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: Jason R Eaton resea...@silvermedicine.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:35 AM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June ...wow, what great science. Let's thus toss out electromagnetism, abstractionism, aphorism Actually, the word skepticism is a very revealing word with an interesting history and word origin. The word ism actually means doctrine, system, manner, condition, at and characteristic. The history of the word skeptic started with philosophy of the Pyrrho of Elis, who fought dogmatism by showing reasons for doubting it, but which today is the position that absolute knowledge is impossible but that science can succeed with relative certainty. The word comes from the latin word scepticus and Greek skeptikos skeptic from skeptesthai to examine closely. This word comes from a the root, PIE *spek-/*spok- look, see (i.e. spectator, inspect, and even spice ). Spice via
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Jason, don't most so-called skeptics dismiss colloidal silver as quackery? Alan On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Jason R Eaton resea...@silvermedicine.orgwrote: Hi Bodhisattva: Your remarks are (and quite classically) very prejudicial. Skeptics are not armchair philosophers. They are scientists, with a varying degree of skill, that are quite active in world of inquiry. Granted, there are many people who don't understand the term and claim to be one, but this is universal with any belief system. The true skeptic ideology ignores belief altogether as absent of real existance. A belief is only a form of energy (a very feeble one, usually) and has only a fleeting connection with reality (objective or perceived). And while most ardent skeptics are very existential, they ***do not ever*** fall into the trap of discounting anecdotal evidence. This of course means that a good skeptic cannot afford an atheistic viewpoint any more than a good skeptic can afford a perspective of fervent religious faith. This usually makes the true skeptic a highly successful, achieved, and qualified scientist. However, like most disciples of truth, finding a good practitioner can be extremely rare. http://www.skeptic.com Most people of spiritual concerns are deeply resentful of skepticism. This is quite sad, as I was personally taught to apply this very buddhistic idea first and foremost with the mental and emotional realm as a part of a healthy spiritual discipline. Equally, however, people neglect to remember that the end result of inquiry is either a demonstration of fact or a lack of conclusion. With most actual real spiritual pursuits, the act of inquiry will lead to a lack of conclusion... and yet, hopefully, the collection of useful data. A skeptic is ok with being left in doubt; a believer is usually NOT ok with that uncomfortable concept. However, there are times when skepticism has demonstrated beyond any possible doubt the reality of certain religious, spiritual and philisophical practices. I could list some of the spiritual greats of world history (few of which have come from the English speaking world) that embrace the art of Inquiry (need I neglect to mention the Indian sage who perfect the art of Self Inqiry from atma-vicara?)... but someone else already did a good job with historic figures for me: http://www.healthyskepticism.org/global/quotes/list/science/ I actually view your weak and unsubstantiated (not to mention not very well thought out) negativity against the idea of the skeptic as an attack which needs a few moments of reasonable defense. While the off topic list is the perfect place for such things to be discussed, I think that THIS list needs to remain very open to inquiry and questioning and doubt... for the benefit of the people who do not believe as you do. If you had stated that you are a Nazi and hate jews, you would have been banned from this list. However, it appears that other forms of prejudism are well tolerated. Best Regards, Jason -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)
CSPrill Investigation
Dan Nave posted a link about Agri-Prills, which I found interesting, but also a little bit alarming. Because Martin Marietta is a defense contractor, among other things. I don't consider them of very high integrity. At any rate, the calibration of the prills there, was quite low. Nowhere near the prills from Life Enthusiast, so the numbers were not adding up. Second. I was the first to note - probably the first on the planet - that prills 'picked up' bad energy in transit through the postal system. I ordered a second batch to confirm this, confirmed it with others and had other intuitive confirm this. Thus, I brought light to this situation for further exploration. Given this, the question is - why would they be effected, and hold the raw, dark vibrations picked up in transit? My assumption at that point was, prill beads are Mini-Orgone Accumulators. Basically, an accumulator builds up, and stores energy, then releases it under specific conditions. But if an accumulator is exposed to dark energy, it becomes 'sour' and doesn't work.(DOR, ORANUR Effect) That's my basic understanding of how that works. But I had NO confirmation of this, and was working off pure intuition/calibration. But this made sense, my home is exceptionally orgone rich, so the prills here were getting exposed to an intense positive orgone field, and thus, extremely energetic, and those drinking my prill water were getting the advantages of this. So I have been in contact with Blind Guru, and Life Enthusiast to try and find answers, or at least confirmation of my investigation. Here is what I found.. 1) They are Agri-Prills as the basis for how they start out. 2) They are then re-baked to a specific temperature to clean them out, make them more effective. (harder, etc) 3) They are Charged in what he called a Star Chamber, or Scalar Energy Device. 4) They are then shipped out to people, over 250,000 bags have been sold by BlindGuru alone. I told him that I thought his Star Chamber was just an Orgone Accumulator, and he confirmed, saying Yup, it is... I also explained that these prills pick up bad energy in transit, and therefore, they are mini-accumulators Yup, they are. Didn't know shipping affected them. he said.. I told him that a method to stop this degradation might be to package them with a tiny packet of Black Tourmaline, he agreed, and they will be trying various things. He said tossing then in a sun for a few hours cleanses them as well - that makes sense. I told him I have witnessed an Energetic Shed of dark energy in someone that drank this stuff.. He said someone charged a pool of water with many pounds of prills, and a intuitive said anyone that dove in, and got back out, dumped all of their baggage. So he said my theory on this is probably pretty accurate. Basically, prill water is orgone-dense water because the prills draw in orgone, then re-release it back into the water through possibly exothermic reaction, and/or slight compression from the water. Remember, an accumulator accumulates good, and bad energy, which is why Reich moved his studies into the country.. The reason these would work for scrubbing radioactive water is they would 'accumulate' this, and then hold it in, which then they'd dump them down abandoned mines. But for the same reason it accumulates the bad, we can use it to accumulate and focus the good, provided the environment they are in - is good. Orgonite on the other hand, is a Transmutation device, it draws in DOR, changes it to POR then re-releases it into the environment. Hope this helps answer some questions, it certainly confirms my dowsing. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
I'll answer, you are right, almost /*all */skeptic sites state colloidal silver is quackery. http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html *Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit* http://www.ntskeptics.org/2001/2001november/november2001.htm *Hi-Yo, Colloidal Silver!* http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2220 *However, if the Blue Man Group is looking for members, I know a potential source that will save on makeup costs.* http://scepticsbook.com/2010/02/02/snake-oil-salesman-gets-what-he-deserves/ *Precious metals nanowater? The panel is unimpressed. Is there insanity in there?* http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=1pid=114 *Colloidal Snake Oil * Alan Jones wrote: Jason, don't most so-called skeptics dismiss colloidal silver as quackery? Alan
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
\Hi Alan: Not at all... Sites such as Quackwatch, et al. aren't run by skeptics, they are run by individuals posing as some sort of authority. A skeptic, by definition, would actually DO the science to see if the claims made by CS had any valid (many of us skeptics did exaclty just that... I've personally commissioned several scientific studies, as well as run test groups actually testing the effectiveness of CS for a basic data pool... ). If a skeptic was not in a position to do the science, the skeptic would work diligently examining any and all scientific data available. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Alan Jones To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 5:39 PM Subject: Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June Jason, don't most so-called skeptics dismiss colloidal silver as quackery? Alan On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Jason R Eaton resea...@silvermedicine.org wrote: Hi Bodhisattva: Your remarks are (and quite classically) very prejudicial. Skeptics are not armchair philosophers. They are scientists, with a varying degree of skill, that are quite active in world of inquiry. Granted, there are many people who don't understand the term and claim to be one, but this is universal with any belief system. The true skeptic ideology ignores belief altogether as absent of real existance. A belief is only a form of energy (a very feeble one, usually) and has only a fleeting connection with reality (objective or perceived). And while most ardent skeptics are very existential, they ***do not ever*** fall into the trap of discounting anecdotal evidence. This of course means that a good skeptic cannot afford an atheistic viewpoint any more than a good skeptic can afford a perspective of fervent religious faith. This usually makes the true skeptic a highly successful, achieved, and qualified scientist. However, like most disciples of truth, finding a good practitioner can be extremely rare. http://www.skeptic.com Most people of spiritual concerns are deeply resentful of skepticism. This is quite sad, as I was personally taught to apply this very buddhistic idea first and foremost with the mental and emotional realm as a part of a healthy spiritual discipline. Equally, however, people neglect to remember that the end result of inquiry is either a demonstration of fact or a lack of conclusion. With most actual real spiritual pursuits, the act of inquiry will lead to a lack of conclusion... and yet, hopefully, the collection of useful data. A skeptic is ok with being left in doubt; a believer is usually NOT ok with that uncomfortable concept. However, there are times when skepticism has demonstrated beyond any possible doubt the reality of certain religious, spiritual and philisophical practices. I could list some of the spiritual greats of world history (few of which have come from the English speaking world) that embrace the art of Inquiry (need I neglect to mention the Indian sage who perfect the art of Self Inqiry from atma-vicara?)... but someone else already did a good job with historic figures for me: http://www.healthyskepticism.org/global/quotes/list/science/ I actually view your weak and unsubstantiated (not to mention not very well thought out) negativity against the idea of the skeptic as an attack which needs a few moments of reasonable defense. While the off topic list is the perfect place for such things to be discussed, I think that THIS list needs to remain very open to inquiry and questioning and doubt... for the benefit of the people who do not believe as you do. If you had stated that you are a Nazi and hate jews, you would have been banned from this list. However, it appears that other forms of prejudism are well tolerated. Best Regards, Jason -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)
Re: CSPrill Beads
Thanks to everyone who sent their supplier's name. PT - Original Message - From: Sam L. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 11:53 PM Subject: Re: CSPrill Beads This is where I bought mine from. http://life-enthusiast.com/usa/precious-prills-p-624.html Sam On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 5:51 PM, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi, Can anyone recommend a place to buy Prill Beads made in the US? Thanks. PT -- A government big enough to give you everything you want will take everything you have.
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Sometimes, rather than use the term Sceptic, I just substitute the word Dumb-ass. (Thanks Red.) Dan On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 3:08 PM, bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com wrote: Not an opinion, a fact. Skepticism itself is a 'doctrine', and a 'Skeptic' is a preacher of this doctrine/religion. Ism' is basically something taken too far, before one engages their logical, and intuitive mind to take a rational, healthy approach to something. The dictionary defines an 'ism' as an oppressive and especially discriminatory attitude or belief. Fundamentalism Islamicism Rationalism Skepticism Buddhism Hinduism Catholicism Evanglicalism All the same, just another oppressive doctrine. Like I said a good healthy, open mind, with an intuitive sense of wonder, and a logical sense of investigation is best termed 'normal'. Anything else, is probably considered to be some degree of insanity, or irrational overzealousness.. Prill beads, and this discussion I will continue on the off-topic list if it is warranted. Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: Your opinion, not mine. dee On 21 Jun 2010, at 20:22, bodhisattva wrote: Open questioning is healthy, skepticism is another 'ism' and is therefore, harmful. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
[...run test groups actually testing the effectiveness of CS...]
-Perhaps you could you elaborate a little on the 'testing of effectiveness'?
In what form was that EIS/CS in? Was it a stabilised form {after standing for
a period of time}, or was it used immediately after cessation of production?
{when it's at it's highest ionic silver content}, or was it using a product
produced by some secret proprietary production method? {in which case one would
know the ion/particulate ratio content...among many other things}.
[...the skeptic would work diligently examining any and all scientific data
available.]
-This is about the only way of determining pretty much anything EIS/CS related
nowadays. The individual needs to make determinations for him/herself from
most of the literature and published material available.
N.
From: resea...@silvermedicine.org
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:31:17 -0700
\Hi Alan:
Not at all... Sites such as Quackwatch, et al. aren't run by skeptics, they
are run by individuals posing as some sort of authority.
A skeptic, by definition, would actually DO the science to see if the claims
made by CS had any valid (many of us skeptics did exaclty just that... I've
personally commissioned several scientific studies, as well as run test groups
actually testing the effectiveness of CS for a basic data pool... ). If a
skeptic was not in a position to do the science, the skeptic would work
diligently examining any and all scientific data available.
Best Regards,
Jason
- Original Message -
From: Alan Jones
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Jason, don't most so-called skeptics dismiss colloidal silver as quackery?
Alan
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Jason R Eaton resea...@silvermedicine.org
wrote:
Hi Bodhisattva:
Your remarks are (and quite classically) very prejudicial. Skeptics are not
armchair philosophers. They are scientists, with a varying degree of skill,
that are quite active in world of inquiry. Granted, there are many people who
don't understand the term and claim to be one, but this is universal with any
belief system.
The true skeptic ideology ignores belief altogether as absent of real
existance. A belief is only a form of energy (a very feeble one, usually) and
has only a fleeting connection with reality (objective or perceived). And while
most ardent skeptics are very existential, they ***do not ever*** fall into the
trap of discounting anecdotal evidence. This of course means that a good
skeptic cannot afford an atheistic viewpoint any more than a good skeptic can
afford a perspective of fervent religious faith.
This usually makes the true skeptic a highly successful, achieved, and
qualified scientist. However, like most disciples of truth, finding a good
practitioner can be extremely rare.
http://www.skeptic.com
Most people of spiritual concerns are deeply resentful of skepticism. This is
quite sad, as I was personally taught to apply this very buddhistic idea first
and foremost with the mental and emotional realm as a part of a healthy
spiritual discipline. Equally, however, people neglect to remember that the
end result of inquiry is either a demonstration of fact or a lack of conclusion.
With most actual real spiritual pursuits, the act of inquiry will lead to a
lack of conclusion... and yet, hopefully, the collection of useful data. A
skeptic is ok with being left in doubt; a believer is usually NOT ok with that
uncomfortable concept. However, there are times when skepticism has
demonstrated beyond any possible doubt the reality of certain religious,
spiritual and philisophical practices.
I could list some of the spiritual greats of world history (few of which have
come from the English speaking world) that embrace the art of Inquiry (need I
neglect to mention the Indian sage who perfect the art of Self Inqiry from
atma-vicara?)... but someone else already did a good job with historic figures
for me:
http://www.healthyskepticism.org/global/quotes/list/science/
I actually view your weak and unsubstantiated (not to mention not very well
thought out) negativity against the idea of the skeptic as an attack which
needs a few moments of reasonable defense. While the off topic list is the
perfect place for such things to be discussed, I think that THIS list needs to
remain very open to inquiry and questioning and doubt... for the benefit of
the people who do not believe as you do.
If you had stated that you are a Nazi and hate jews, you would have been banned
from this list. However, it appears that other forms of prejudism are well
tolerated.
Best Regards,
Jason
--
Alan Jones
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited
Bodhisattva was // Re: CSPrill Beads
Unless you have already sent the prill beads the company supplying me has assured me that their stock is made in the USA. Best, Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: needling around To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:47 PM Subject: Re: CSPrill Beads Thanks to everyone who sent their supplier's name. PT - Original Message - From: Sam L. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 11:53 PM Subject: Re: CSPrill Beads This is where I bought mine from. http://life-enthusiast.com/usa/precious-prills-p-624.html Sam On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 5:51 PM, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi, Can anyone recommend a place to buy Prill Beads made in the US? Thanks. PT -- A government big enough to give you everything you want will take everything you have. -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2396 - Release Date: 09/26/09 05:51:00
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
That's not skepticism, that's ignorance or stupidity, silver has been used for hundreds if not thousands of years for various health issues. Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: Alan Jones To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:39 AM Subject: Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June Jason, don't most so-called skeptics dismiss colloidal silver as quackery? Alan
RE: CSHow did we ever get here on this subject?
There are many things I am skeptical of. I hardly think I am a dumb-ass. Ignorant sometimes. Correct sometimes. I think you are painting the term skeptic with a pretty broad brush. I would suspect that those who are not ever skeptics are wrong far more frequently than I am. - Steve N -Original Message- From: Dan Nave [mailto:bhangcha...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:57 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June Sometimes, rather than use the term Sceptic, I just substitute the word Dumb-ass. (Thanks Red.) Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner] Topic to end...
Hi folks, Let's please end or migrate to OT the debate over the dictionary definition of skepticism and the philosophical ramifications thereof. Consider this a decree from the throne that, We shall agree to disagree. Bodhi, while demonstrating certain attributes others of us consider the very definition of healthy skepticism, chooses not to acknowledge the distinction between that and closed-mindedness masquerading as skepticism (as most of us define it). Oh well! Let's not waste any more energy on non-essentials... I would caution folks that before you condemn things other people bring up, that you think about how the colloidal silver we all profess to value is just as vulnerable to condemnation by those very same pseudo- skeptics that Bodhi rails too loudly against. Equally important, let's not spend an unhealthy amount of time on the main list talking about things that are too hard for average people to swallow. Those souls, too, deserve a chance to grow into greater knowledge at their own pace. One step at a time, people. Colloidal Silver is the first step for many. And, as always, if anybody listening in is waiting for information on Colloidal Silver to show up, give us a hint what you're interested in! Ask a question to start the conversation in a direction that's useful to you. That's how it works. Thank you. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
