[...run test groups actually testing the effectiveness of CS...]
-Perhaps you could you elaborate a little on the 'testing of effectiveness'?
In what form was that EIS/CS in? Was it a stabilised form {after standing for
a period of time}, or was it used immediately after cessation of production?
{when it's at it's highest ionic silver content}, or was it using a product
produced by some secret proprietary production method? {in which case one would
know the ion/particulate ratio content...among many other things}.
[...the skeptic would work diligently examining any and all scientific data
available.]
-This is about the only way of determining pretty much anything EIS/CS related
nowadays. The individual needs to make determinations for him/herself from
most of the literature and published material available.
N.
From: resea...@silvermedicine.org
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Skeptics was // Re: CS>Magnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:31:17 -0700
\Hi Alan:
Not at all... Sites such as Quackwatch, et al. aren't run by skeptics, they
are run by individuals posing as some sort of authority.
A skeptic, by definition, would actually DO the science to see if the claims
made by CS had any valid (many of us skeptics did exaclty just that... I've
personally commissioned several scientific studies, as well as run test groups
actually testing the effectiveness of CS for a basic data pool... ). If a
skeptic was not in a position to do the science, the skeptic would work
diligently examining any and all scientific data available.
Best Regards,
Jason
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Jones
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: Skeptics was // Re: CS>Magnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Jason, don't most so-called skeptics dismiss colloidal silver as quackery?
Alan
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Jason R Eaton <resea...@silvermedicine.org>
wrote:
Hi Bodhisattva:
Your remarks are (and quite classically) very prejudicial. Skeptics are not
armchair philosophers. They are scientists, with a varying degree of skill,
that are quite active in world of inquiry. Granted, there are many people who
don't understand the term and claim to be one, but this is universal with any
belief system.
The true skeptic ideology ignores belief altogether as absent of real
existance. A belief is only a form of energy (a very feeble one, usually) and
has only a fleeting connection with reality (objective or perceived). And while
most ardent skeptics are very existential, they ***do not ever*** fall into the
trap of discounting anecdotal evidence. This of course means that a good
skeptic cannot afford an atheistic viewpoint any more than a good skeptic can
afford a perspective of fervent religious faith.
This usually makes the true skeptic a highly successful, achieved, and
qualified scientist. However, like most disciples of truth, finding a good
practitioner can be extremely rare.
http://www.skeptic.com
Most people of spiritual concerns are deeply resentful of skepticism. This is
quite sad, as I was personally taught to apply this very buddhistic idea first
and foremost with the mental and emotional realm as a part of a healthy
spiritual discipline. Equally, however, people neglect to remember that the
end result of inquiry is either a demonstration of fact or a lack of conclusion.
With most actual real spiritual pursuits, the act of inquiry will lead to a
lack of conclusion... and yet, hopefully, the collection of useful data. A
skeptic is ok with being left in doubt; a believer is usually NOT ok with that
uncomfortable concept. However, there are times when skepticism has
demonstrated beyond any possible doubt the reality of certain religious,
spiritual and philisophical practices.
I could list some of the spiritual greats of world history (few of which have
come from the English speaking world) that embrace the art of Inquiry (need I
neglect to mention the Indian sage who perfect the art of Self Inqiry from
atma-vicara?)... but someone else already did a good job with historic figures
for me:
http://www.healthyskepticism.org/global/quotes/list/science/
I actually view your weak and unsubstantiated (not to mention not very well
thought out) negativity against the idea of the skeptic as an attack which
needs a few moments of reasonable defense. While the off topic list is the
perfect place for such things to be discussed, I think that THIS list needs to
remain very open to inquiry and questioning and doubt... for the benefit of
the people who do not believe as you do.
If you had stated that you are a Nazi and hate jews, you would have been banned
from this list. However, it appears that other forms of prejudism are well
tolerated.
Best Regards,
Jason
--
Alan Jones
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