CSHOW many germs in human body?
Link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXt5Ga2WqZINR=1 to very interesting video by Prof Trevor Marshall, one of the Helicobacter pylori microbiologists. It is described as being the reply to the Australian ABC film about catching Cancer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bpijebze6A - trailer, whole film was shown last October and download facility now expired, but Canadians can watch it for a short while on http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/passionateeyeshowcase/2009/catchingcancer/ ) Additional reference: http://blogs.abc.net.au/abc_tv/2009/10/catching-cancer-abc-documentary-asks-is-cancer-contagious.html Approximately 20 per cent of all cancers worldwide are caused by infections. Some scientists say it could be as high as 50-95 per cent . Across the planet, startling new evidence is emerging that links viruses and bacteria to an increasing number of cancers. And two Nobel prizes in the last five years mean the story of infections causing cancer cannot be ignored. Here on the viewer replies list, a woman tells of her experience with lymphoma, which she believes she caught from a friend she used to lunch with every day. Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRBvYcckoWENR=1 VDR Receptor Competence Induces Recovery from Autoimmune Disease (VDR - Vitamin D Receptor) Here are some on-the-spot notes I made on the Cancer video; they might be of interest or use in deciding whether you want to watch it. (Look out for the question of why a patient having a hip operation had germs in that capsule that previously had only been identified at under-ocean vents). Everybody knows Inflammation Induces Cancer - how? and can this pragma help us find drug targets. Co-morbidities. Depression a key problem in China, anxiety, allergies, thyroiditis, IBD, - chart took studies out of PubMed and showed co-morbidities - inflammation not unique - not jut one problem. Chart of Co-morbidities. (ie you don't just get inflammation for one reason, you likely have a whole host of other germs causing your problem - RE) Why? Human Microbiome project NIH - is body really sterile compartment as previously assumed. Expect there will be about a million bacterial genes found active in the human body compared with 250,000 human. Yersinia, klebsiella, over 100 species identified from saliva of healthy human subjects. Hip joint composition - different mix of bacteria - Lysobacter predominant, Hydrothermal vent eubacterium - previously identified under ocean - found during arthroplasty. How would this turn up as contamination in surgery? JRA Lymphocyte - able to image cells exploding in patients who were seriously ill after blood allowed to age six hours. Long extruded polymers visualised. VDR Nuclear Receptor. What could be allowing persistent pathogens in what was thought to be sterile compartment. In humans only, the VDR transcribes genes for TR2 and others. Knocking out the VDR causes human chronic disease. Mycobacterium tuberculosis - VDR downregulated x 3.3 times. Borrelia burgdorfii using bead assay found 50 fold downregulation and 8 fold. . EBV - omnipresent pathogen? VDR downregulated particularly in lymphoblastoid cell lines. After a while downregulated by 15 times. Strong effect on VDR. Believed to transcribe or express VDR HIV totally takes the VDR, binds and steals so it can transcribe its own genome. Part of the survival mechanism of HIV. Transcribes for about 17 proteins. Yet they are documented to have over 3000 interactions with human metabolome. Why? Human CBLP/P300 with disordered loops - depending on what the loops bind to it will determine where they work along the DNA strand. They can really go into many confirmations. Depending what they bind to. Salivary metagenome: 50,000 proteins rather than 17 of HIV. Potential imponderable complexity of interactions with human metabolome. Genomes accumulate gradually during life, shutting down immune system. Catastrophic failure metabolism in chronic inflammatory disease due to common underlying mechanism due to ubiquitous microbiota ... Get a VDR agonist? - Omesartan quite adequate. When you do that, can reverse autoimmune disease. Recovery as chronic and slow as the disease process, 3-6 years. Study for 7 years in variety autoimmune diagnoses, between 18 and 53 months, 81% experienced reduced disease and symptoms. Many had total disease reversal. Carcinomas - 750 subjects 3-7 years, all disabling disease, only two carcinomas and neither were metastatic. Breast and bladder carcinoma subjects studied. 30 months just getting to stage where it's interesting. Why did study cohort not succumb to cancer?. More direct relationship. Chronic Inflammation is the result of a diverse intraphagocytic metagenomic microbiota. When this metagenome reduces expression of the host VDR in order to protect the microbiota against the endogenous antimicrobials, it also knocks out transcription of a key gene - MTSSI - the Metastasis Suppressor
Re: CStest
In a message dated 7/23/2010 10:30:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brooks76...@lycos.com writes: test Your here..
Re: CSCurry spices for cows and sheep could cut methane emissions
Hi Garrick, Great tip! Do you have a ratio of beans to seeds that seems to work well for you? Peter - Original Message - From: Garrick To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:10 PM Subject: Re: CSCurry spices for cows and sheep could cut methane emissions I use seeds from the Umbelliferae family in beans and they do make them more digestible and less or zero gas. I have used anise, coriander, celery, cumin, fennel, dill seeds in beans. First I grind them in an electric coffee mill. My favorite beans are chickpea, pinto and black beans. Chickpeas are the ultimate with a very good protein profile. I never make humus which is a disgusting greasy mess The Apiaceae or Umbelliferae (both names are allowed by the ICBN) is a family of usually aromatic plants with hollow stems, commonly known as umbellifers. It includes angelica, anise, arracacha, asafoetida, caraway, carrot, celery, centella asiatica, chervil, cicely,coriander/cilantro, cumin, dill, fennel, hemlock, lovage, Queen Anne's Lace, parsley, parsnip, sea holly, the now extinct silphium, and other relatives. It is a large family with about 300 genera and more than 3,000 species. The earlier name Umbelliferae derives from theinflorescence being generally in the form of a compound umbel, and has the same root as the word umbrella. The botanical subspeciality that studies Apiaceae is sometimes called sciadophytography. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote: My only question is: Will curry help when you eat beans? - Steve N http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/curry-spices-for-cows-and-sheep-could-cut-methane-emissions-2029761.html Curry spices for cows and sheep could cut methane emissions
CS[List Owner] Topics...
Hi folks, Just a reminder that, though I don't mind some off-topic stuff, that I'd like OT threads to be deliberately tapered off in a day or so, so they don't drag on and dominate the discussion. A good current example of this, might have something to do with curry, and beans, and pressure cookers... evil grin As always, health-related questions are welcome, so long as the answers that are related to things besides CS are handled more briefly, again, tapering off when basic curiosity is satisfied and other resources have been identified for further study. *Wildly* OT stuff, should always go to the Off Topic List, of course. grin Carry on, and thank you all, so much, for taking responsibility for policing your *own* behavior. That's why my job is as simple as it is, most of the time. Peace, Mike D. da list owner dude [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSZeolite - Does it Really Work?
Hi Folks, As Steve mentioned regarding zeolite, it's just about impossible to find some unbiased information while researching, due to the MLM factor. It's kind of funny that he mentioned this because I have been recently looking into zeolite once again, trying to dig up some truth. Man...is it ever hard to tell fact from fiction when it comes to this topic!! Back in 2007 I did try the MLM liquid zeolite for a few months and I did actually seem to notice some great improvements in the way I had been feeling, relative to heavy metal toxicity and overall immune health. The cost of the product kept me from going on with it any longer though. I am presently considering trying either the liquid zeolite (NCD) once again, trying Garry Gordon's nano zeolite product or giving the Zeolite Pure product a shot. Can anyone make any suggestions about any of these based on personal experiences or experiences of family members or close friends? Does anyone have any well grounded scientific facts about the effectiveness of any of these products to permanently bind toxins? The company selling the MLM brand has had so much controversy in its history I really don't know what I can believe from these people. I see their product testimonials and I have to wonder how much truth could be in any of them. Comments? What about alternatives to zeolite to serve the same purpose of binding and escorting heavy metals and other toxins from the body? Ideas? Many thanks, Peter
Re: CSZeolite - Does it Really Work?
Hi Peter, I don't know anything about zeolite but I have been having a great experience with food grade diatomaceous earth. PT - Original Message - From: Peter Converse To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 4:13 PM Subject: CSZeolite - Does it Really Work? Hi Folks, As Steve mentioned regarding zeolite, it's just about impossible to find some unbiased information while researching, due to the MLM factor. It's kind of funny that he mentioned this because I have been recently looking into zeolite once again, trying to dig up some truth. Man...is it ever hard to tell fact from fiction when it comes to this topic!! Back in 2007 I did try the MLM liquid zeolite for a few months and I did actually seem to notice some great improvements in the way I had been feeling, relative to heavy metal toxicity and overall immune health. The cost of the product kept me from going on with it any longer though. I am presently considering trying either the liquid zeolite (NCD) once again, trying Garry Gordon's nano zeolite product or giving the Zeolite Pure product a shot. Can anyone make any suggestions about any of these based on personal experiences or experiences of family members or close friends? Does anyone have any well grounded scientific facts about the effectiveness of any of these products to permanently bind toxins? The company selling the MLM brand has had so much controversy in its history I really don't know what I can believe from these people. I see their product testimonials and I have to wonder how much truth could be in any of them. Comments? What about alternatives to zeolite to serve the same purpose of binding and escorting heavy metals and other toxins from the body? Ideas? Many thanks, Peter
: CS Question on brewing...
I've been making CS/EIS for a couple yrs now have used the 9 V
batteries the plug in the wall type. I have, --since I started,--
wondered
about the difference between using 3 nine V. batteries 4 nine V batteries (
I know you wise guys it's 9 Vs ) grin---but what would the benefit be
of using 3 batteries as opposed to using 4. ???
Now for my next electrically challenged person question--- Would it
be possible to use a cell phone battery charger - or other plug in the wall
chargercut the wire off the end hook up a multimeter alligator
clips to the silver wires to brew CS/EIS ? Lois
{{ I wish I knew more about electricity but ever since lightening hit the
straw stack 6 of our milk cows were smothered fired,,, Mom got
tossed across the kitchen by the electric stove I have been afraid of it...At
least the house wiring kind...}}
CStoxin removal
Iodine is reputed to remove heavy metals and whatnot. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSZeolite - Does it Really Work?
Zeolite is silica and so is DE, so for the money I would go with food grade DE. Actually I could choose clay, like Eaton's Three Clay blend over the DE. www.eytonsearth.com has a link to his commercial clay site. They all come out of the ground. And you need to know who you are buying from since any of them can be contaminated. DE has significant Aluminum Oxide and while it is not suppose to be bioavailable it makes me uncomfortable knowing it is on the analysis sheet. DE is also very powdery and fine, so is clay but it is not so fluffy so might be easier to work with. There is a lot of data on the absorptive and adsorptive properties of clay. I would not buy Zeolite from an MLM, period. I used to buy 50lb bags for $25 and then it started being marketed in one pound net bags for $12.00 at dog shows as a deodarizer. I had been putting pounds of it in shallow boxes under the beds and couch to absorb odors for years. But I would not have at $12.00 a pound. This was 20 years ago. Janet Peter Converse wrote: Hi Folks, As Steve mentioned regarding zeolite, it's just about impossible to find some unbiased information while researching, due to the MLM factor. It's kind of funny that he mentioned this because I have been recently looking into zeolite once again, trying to dig up some truth. Man...is it ever hard to tell fact from fiction when it comes to this topic!! Back in 2007 I did try the MLM liquid zeolite for a few months and I did actually seem to notice some great improvements in the way I had been feeling, relative to heavy metal toxicity and overall immune health. The cost of the product kept me from going on with it any longer though. I am presently considering trying either the liquid zeolite (NCD) once again, trying Garry Gordon's nano zeolite product or giving the Zeolite Pure product a shot. Can anyone make any suggestions about any of these based on personal experiences or experiences of family members or close friends? Does anyone have any well grounded scientific facts about the effectiveness of any of these products to permanently bind toxins? The company selling the MLM brand has had so much controversy in its history I really don't know what I can believe from these people. I see their product testimonials and I have to wonder how much truth could be in any of them. Comments? What about alternatives to zeolite to serve the same purpose of binding and escorting heavy metals and other toxins from the body? Ideas? Many thanks, Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSZeolite - Does it Really Work?
From what I have read one needs to be careful with clays re aluminum also. There is an interesting article at http://imaninatural.com/pdf/Pelotherapy101.pdf They also sell 4 different kinds of clay so you might want to take a look. PT - Original Message - From: Garnet_LDN garnet_...@austin.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 10:40 PM Subject: Re: CSZeolite - Does it Really Work? Zeolite is silica and so is DE, so for the money I would go with food grade DE. Actually I could choose clay, like Eaton's Three Clay blend over the DE. www.eytonsearth.com has a link to his commercial clay site. They all come out of the ground. And you need to know who you are buying from since any of them can be contaminated. DE has significant Aluminum Oxide and while it is not suppose to be bioavailable it makes me uncomfortable knowing it is on the analysis sheet. DE is also very powdery and fine, so is clay but it is not so fluffy so might be easier to work with. There is a lot of data on the absorptive and adsorptive properties of clay. I would not buy Zeolite from an MLM, period. I used to buy 50lb bags for $25 and then it started being marketed in one pound net bags for $12.00 at dog shows as a deodarizer. I had been putting pounds of it in shallow boxes under the beds and couch to absorb odors for years. But I would not have at $12.00 a pound. This was 20 years ago. Janet Peter Converse wrote: Hi Folks, As Steve mentioned regarding zeolite, it's just about impossible to find some unbiased information while researching, due to the MLM factor. It's kind of funny that he mentioned this because I have been recently looking into zeolite once again, trying to dig up some truth. Man...is it ever hard to tell fact from fiction when it comes to this topic!! Back in 2007 I did try the MLM liquid zeolite for a few months and I did actually seem to notice some great improvements in the way I had been feeling, relative to heavy metal toxicity and overall immune health. The cost of the product kept me from going on with it any longer though. I am presently considering trying either the liquid zeolite (NCD) once again, trying Garry Gordon's nano zeolite product or giving the Zeolite Pure product a shot. Can anyone make any suggestions about any of these based on personal experiences or experiences of family members or close friends? Does anyone have any well grounded scientific facts about the effectiveness of any of these products to permanently bind toxins? The company selling the MLM brand has had so much controversy in its history I really don't know what I can believe from these people. I see their product testimonials and I have to wonder how much truth could be in any of them. Comments? What about alternatives to zeolite to serve the same purpose of binding and escorting heavy metals and other toxins from the body? Ideas? Many thanks, Peter -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
