Re: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask
Carol- I don't have experience with implants but saw something about a one-visit implant, anyone heard of or experienced that?I do oil-pulling, swish with CS, and also shine a red/blue/IR LED array on my teeth daily. I can't picture crowns falling out. Does the tooth break off or the crown just come off? I have had a tooth break off at the gum line and be built up with screws into the tooth and a crown, but have had no problem afterward. I would also advise finding a better dentist. A really good dentist is hard to find but can do work that is more permanent. I've had one crown for nearly 40 years. Bob- Sorry to hear of your nerve damage. I have suspected possible injury from deadening shots and have a a couple of crowns and several fillings done without them. It is not that bad and no aftereffects. Dentists don't like it though.:-) Nancy carolG wrote: HI BOB, Sorry to hear of your pain. I just met a vet last night at a Festival who I was telling about my dog's lupus recovery. She told me she used to be in so much pain in her back, I believe. She did acupuncture once, healed, and hooked. She went on to help dogs using acupuncture. If you haven't tried, like anything else in life--there are always good and bad practitioners. I am running against options for my teeth. I have SEVERAL crowns which never were a problem, but never wanted either. Weighed all options before a yes. Now I have big spaces obvious for pictures and crowns were put in about 3 years ago and some keep falling out. If dentist can't reglue I am running against options. I know having more front spaces is not very inviting as I plan to go out and meet people for business sake. *From:* Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sun, August 22, 2010 10:25:32 PM *Subject:* Re: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask carol, There are no safe implants. ALL dental procedures have risks... BIG ONES. Every time you get an anesthetic injection you are risking a permanent paresthesia/dysesthesia (nerve damage to the lingual or IAN nerve) that is horrific... I suffer from lingual nerve damage so I know. The rest of my life is one of pain and suffering... burning pain to be exact. Not something you want if at all possible. Bob - Original Message - *From:* carolG mailto:cgiam...@yahoo.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sunday, August 22, 2010 5:01 PM *Subject:* CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask Hi all, Maybe off topic...who knows. History of bad teeth, several crowns got loose and today another one popped out into mouth and holding it. If he can't put this back in as it is always a challenge, here's questions: Kind of safe implants Questions to ask dentist What materials are good vs. bad for implants? This is ongoing problem-genetic vs. unhealthy eating. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSodium Bicarbonate to Alkalinize
An elderly friend of mine (76 y.o. I think) told me today that since she has been taking bicarb the past week or so her pains have already eased. She has been in a great deal of pain for a long time. I had passed the bicarb info on to her. She is also awaiting delivery of one of the enzyme products from the US Rowena On 22/08/2010 5:14 AM, Garnet_LDN wrote: Does anyone here remember recent discussions of using Sodium Bicarbonate aka Baking Soda as an regular alkalinzing practice? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask
Hi Carol, Why can't your dentist re-glue them? If he says he can't I would get a second opinion. Mine were re-glued many times before I put an end to it. PT - Original Message - From: carolG To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 12:49 AM Subject: Re: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask HI BOB, Sorry to hear of your pain. I just met a vet last night at a Festival who I was telling about my dog's lupus recovery. She told me she used to be in so much pain in her back, I believe. She did acupuncture once, healed, and hooked. She went on to help dogs using acupuncture. If you haven't tried, like anything else in life--there are always good and bad practitioners. I am running against options for my teeth. I have SEVERAL crowns which never were a problem, but never wanted either. Weighed all options before a yes. Now I have big spaces obvious for pictures and crowns were put in about 3 years ago and some keep falling out. If dentist can't reglue I am running against options. I know having more front spaces is not very inviting as I plan to go out and meet people for business sake. -- From: Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, August 22, 2010 10:25:32 PM Subject: Re: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask carol, There are no safe implants. ALL dental procedures have risks... BIG ONES. Every time you get an anesthetic injection you are risking a permanent paresthesia/dysesthesia (nerve damage to the lingual or IAN nerve) that is horrific... I suffer from lingual nerve damage so I know. The rest of my life is one of pain and suffering... burning pain to be exact. Not something you want if at all possible. Bob - Original Message - From: carolG To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask Hi all, Maybe off topic...who knows. History of bad teeth, several crowns got loose and today another one popped out into mouth and holding it. If he can't put this back in as it is always a challenge, here's questions: Kind of safe implants Questions to ask dentist What materials are good vs. bad for implants? This is ongoing problem-genetic vs. unhealthy eating. Frustrating as my dentist doesn't want to act like a traveling dentist. Just when I think all is cool and I won't see him for a while I am back. carol, mom to the recovered LUPUS doggie, Molly..now 11...almost year since biopsy..progressive case...
Fw: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask
Hi Bob, Sorry you are having such a problem. Acupuncture might help and so might something called a 'cosmodic' unit as it is said to regenerate tissue. If you are interested email me back channel. PT - Original Message - From: Bob Banever To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 12:25 AM Subject: Re: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask carol, There are no safe implants. ALL dental procedures have risks... BIG ONES. Every time you get an anesthetic injection you are risking a permanent paresthesia/dysesthesia (nerve damage to the lingual or IAN nerve) that is horrific... I suffer from lingual nerve damage so I know. The rest of my life is one of pain and suffering... burning pain to be exact. Not something you want if at all possible. Bob - Original Message - From: carolG To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask Hi all, Maybe off topic...who knows. History of bad teeth, several crowns got loose and today another one popped out into mouth and holding it. If he can't put this back in as it is always a challenge, here's questions: Kind of safe implants Questions to ask dentist What materials are good vs. bad for implants? This is ongoing problem-genetic vs. unhealthy eating. Frustrating as my dentist doesn't want to act like a traveling dentist. Just when I think all is cool and I won't see him for a while I am back. Renee or others, please pitch in your wisdom? Garrett? All? Thanks. carol, mom to the recovered LUPUS doggie, Molly..now 11...almost year since biopsy..progressive case...
Re: CSSodium Bicarbonate to Alkalinize
Did she mention how much and how often? Thanks, Janet Rowena wrote: An elderly friend of mine (76 y.o. I think) told me today that since she has been taking bicarb the past week or so her pains have already eased. She has been in a great deal of pain for a long time. I had passed the bicarb info on to her. She is also awaiting delivery of one of the enzyme products from the US Rowena On 22/08/2010 5:14 AM, Garnet_LDN wrote: Does anyone here remember recent discussions of using Sodium Bicarbonate aka Baking Soda as an regular alkalinzing practice? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask
carol, LOL. I happen to be an acupuncturist, licensed with 34 years experience. Permanent nerve damage is just that... permanent. Acupuncture has given me some relief but it is limited as to what it can do because the nerves are dead. The body must be in tact for acupuncture to work properly. Bob - Original Message - From: carolG To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:49 PM Subject: Re: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask HI BOB, Sorry to hear of your pain. I just met a vet last night at a Festival who I was telling about my dog's lupus recovery. She told me she used to be in so much pain in her back, I believe. She did acupuncture once, healed, and hooked. She went on to help dogs using acupuncture. If you haven't tried, like anything else in life--there are always good and bad practitioners. I am running against options for my teeth. I have SEVERAL crowns which never were a problem, but never wanted either. Weighed all options before a yes. Now I have big spaces obvious for pictures and crowns were put in about 3 years ago and some keep falling out. If dentist can't reglue I am running against options. I know having more front spaces is not very inviting as I plan to go out and meet people for business sake. -- From: Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, August 22, 2010 10:25:32 PM Subject: Re: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask carol, There are no safe implants. ALL dental procedures have risks... BIG ONES. Every time you get an anesthetic injection you are risking a permanent paresthesia/dysesthesia (nerve damage to the lingual or IAN nerve) that is horrific... I suffer from lingual nerve damage so I know. The rest of my life is one of pain and suffering... burning pain to be exact. Not something you want if at all possible. Bob - Original Message - From: carolG To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask Hi all, Maybe off topic...who knows. History of bad teeth, several crowns got loose and today another one popped out into mouth and holding it. If he can't put this back in as it is always a challenge, here's questions: Kind of safe implants Questions to ask dentist What materials are good vs. bad for implants? This is ongoing problem-genetic vs. unhealthy eating. Frustrating as my dentist doesn't want to act like a traveling dentist. Just when I think all is cool and I won't see him for a while I am back. carol, mom to the recovered LUPUS doggie, Molly..now 11...almost year since biopsy..progressive case...
Re: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask
Bob, Gosh...feel well as best that means for your body! carol From: Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 8:22:29 AM Subject: Re: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask carol, LOL. I happen to be an acupuncturist, licensed with 34 years experience. Permanent nerve damage is just that... permanent. Acupuncture has given me some relief but it is limited as to what it can do because the nerves are dead. The body must be in tact for acupuncture to work properly. Bob - Original Message - From: carolG To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:49PM Subject: Re: CSOT:Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask HI BOB, Sorry to hear of your pain. I just met a vet last night at aFestival who I was telling about my dog's lupus recovery. She told meshe used to be in so much pain in her back, I believe. She did acupunctureonce, healed, and hooked. She went on to help dogs usingacupuncture. If you haven't tried, like anything else in life--there arealways good and bad practitioners. I am running against options for myteeth. I have SEVERAL crowns which never were a problem, but never wantedeither. Weighed all options before a yes. Now I have big spaces obviousfor pictures and crowns were put in about 3 years ago and some keep fallingout. If dentist can't reglue I am running against options. I knowhaving more front spaces is not very inviting as I plan to go out and meetpeople for business sake. From: Bob Baneverbbane...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, August 22, 2010 10:25:32PM Subject: Re: CSOT:Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask carol, There are no safeimplants. ALL dental procedures have risks... BIG ONES. Every timeyou get an anesthetic injection you are risking a permanent paresthesia/dysesthesia (nerve damage to the lingual or IAN nerve) that is horrific... I suffer from lingual nerve damage so I know. The rest of my life is one of pain and suffering... burning pain to be exact. Not something you want if at all possible. Bob - Original Message - From: carolG To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask Hi all, Maybe off topic...who knows. History of bad teeth, several crowns got loose and today another one popped out into mouth and holding it. If he can't put this back in as it is always a challenge, here's questions: Kind of safe implants Questions to ask dentist What materials are good vs. bad for implants? This is ongoing problem-genetic vs. unhealthy eating.
RE: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask
I happen to be an acupuncturist, licensed with 34 years experience. Permanent nerve damage is just that... permanent. Acupuncture has given me some relief but it is limited as to what it can do because the nerves are dead. The body must be in tact for acupuncture to work properly. Bob Bob, with respect to your expertise, nerves can be regenerated. I have seen this in my own life and in the lives of my friends. I have seen and experienced this directly with the Tennant Biomodulator, as well as with a machine from Australia. If you're interested, please email me privately for details. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD electromedicine specialist and author The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009) The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy (2004) http://www.nenahsylver.com www.nenahsylver.com
Re: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask
I am also an acupuncturist with 15 years experience. To my knowledge the Biomodulator is an expensive scenar device. For nerve damage I would recommend a cosmodic device which is the next generation of scenar devices. Anyone interested can email me back channel. PT - Original Message - From: Nenah Sylver To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 10:33 AM Subject: RE: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask I happen to be an acupuncturist, licensed with 34 years experience. Permanent nerve damage is just that... permanent. Acupuncture has given me some relief but it is limited as to what it can do because the nerves are dead. The body must be in tact for acupuncture to work properly. Bob Bob, with respect to your expertise, nerves can be regenerated. I have seen this in my own life and in the lives of my friends. I have seen and experienced this directly with the Tennant Biomodulator, as well as with a machine from Australia. If you're interested, please email me privately for details. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD electromedicine specialist and author The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009) The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy (2004) www.nenahsylver.com
Re: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask
I lost all my teeth due to weak enamel, an early sugar habit, and bad (very bad) dentistry. I have had them replaced with titanium implant supported bridges. I have quite a few implants, both top and bottom. All the surgery was difficult, but once healed they have not given me one minute of trouble. Is there risk involved? Certainly, but I decided that the risk involved in NOT doing it was worse. You have to weigh your risks in life. Having a real expert in placing implants is the most important thing. I had a terrific periodontist to work with. By the way, I refused to do anything like nerve relocation or sinus lift. They love to do that stuff, but you don't really need it. I only take so many risks. You still have to clean and brush the implants to avoid biofilms, just like with regular teeth. It took a while to get used to the bridges, but they are much easier to adapt to than dentures, which I never considered doing. They only real damage that I suffered from all this was strictly financial. This stuff is EXPENSIVE! Many thousands of dollars of our savings. But you only live once, right, and I need to go on chewing. Del - Original Message - From: carolG To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 12:49 AM Subject: Re: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask HI BOB, Sorry to hear of your pain. I just met a vet last night at a Festival who I was telling about my dog's lupus recovery. She told me she used to be in so much pain in her back, I believe. She did acupuncture once, healed, and hooked. She went on to help dogs using acupuncture. If you haven't tried, like anything else in life--there are always good and bad practitioners. I am running against options for my teeth. I have SEVERAL crowns which never were a problem, but never wanted either. Weighed all options before a yes. Now I have big spaces obvious for pictures and crowns were put in about 3 years ago and some keep falling out. If dentist can't reglue I am running against options. I know having more front spaces is not very inviting as I plan to go out and meet people for business sake. -- From: Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, August 22, 2010 10:25:32 PM Subject: Re: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask carol, There are no safe implants. ALL dental procedures have risks... BIG ONES. Every time you get an anesthetic injection you are risking a permanent paresthesia/dysesthesia (nerve damage to the lingual or IAN nerve) that is horrific... I suffer from lingual nerve damage so I know. The rest of my life is one of pain and suffering... burning pain to be exact. Not something you want if at all possible. Bob - Original Message - From: carolG To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask Hi all, Maybe off topic...who knows. History of bad teeth, several crowns got loose and today another one popped out into mouth and holding it. If he can't put this back in as it is always a challenge, here's questions: Kind of safe implants Questions to ask dentist What materials are good vs. bad for implants? This is ongoing problem-genetic vs. unhealthy eating. Frustrating as my dentist doesn't want to act like a traveling dentist. Just when I think all is cool and I won't see him for a while I am back. carol, mom to the recovered LUPUS doggie, Molly..now 11...almost year since biopsy..progressive case...
CSOT - Dental work - infection? - tx ideas?
Last Monday I had my last 2 old fillings replaced. Top left side of the mouth. First molar and last molar. I have had TMJ issues for over 20 years. I wear a splint at night which typically helps. I have a congenital fusion of C2/C3 which appears to refer left. I always have some level of pain on the left. My left tonsil is always slightly swollen, as are the glands/nodes under the ear and under the rear chin. My left sinuses are always slightly congested/draining. I get all migraines in the left side. I have trigeminal nerve inolvment on the left with jaw pain/migraine activity. I almost always feel like I have a mild ear infection on the left. It was this cluster of symptoms that eventually lead to us discovering the congential fusion. Okay, back to dental work - Monday afternoon fillings replaced. Starting about Wednesday I noticed an increase in pain in left tonsil and the glands below the ear (sort of in front of the eustacian tube) and under the rear chin. I thought, okay my body is a wee bit cranky about the dental work and fighting an infection. I top first molar was also a bit sore and did not like it when I bit down on it - that pain has since mostly abated. Late Wed the occipital node on the left also started hurting. So now all those glands on the left are both swollen and painful, as is the left tonsil area and left ear area, the throat is a bit sore as well. I am also tired and a bit lethargic - but we have a lot of heat and humidity here right now so I would expect that regardless. Saturday I had a bought of diarrhea - but with the heat, humidity and the fact that I ate something I really shouldn't have - it may or may not be related. I am not running a fever but am wondering if the LDN and EIS are keeping the infection in check just enough that I haven't gotten that bad yet. Some things I've read online suggest occipital gland inflamtion is an indication of a fungal infection?? In my jaw/teeth? I don't really want to do a round of antibiotics if I can avoid it. I currently consume about 2 ounces of EIS a day - straight EIS (no salt, H2O2, or anything else added to it) - silverpuppy homemade. 1 ounce in the morning when I get up and another ounce at night before bed, I hold it in my mouth for 1-5 minutes before swallowing. I take 4.5 mg LDN at night (tx ulcerative colitis and pain with the LDN). I take an assortment of other supplements (D3, tumeric, fish oil, DLPA, ALA, B complex, grapefruit seed extract and a few others at are escaping my brain right now). I did try a couple rounds of oil pulling Thursday night, Friday and Saturday, but not since Sat morning. It's the 4 hrs after food and at least 1 hr after beverage that messes me up. Should I up EIS intake? Oils of ... ??? oregano and cinnamin have both been mentioned in the past related to dental/mouth stuff I think ... Oils ingested, applied to inside of mouth? Just suck it up and get antibiotics? Ideas? Sorry for the long email. I do appreciate ideas. I've been internet searching but it makes my head hurt because there is often so much conflicting info out there. Jaxi
Re: CSSodium Bicarbonate to Alkalinize
Yes, but I don't remember. I think she took a teaspoonful every evening, but will check with her. I wasn't really listening in order to pass it on, just gracefully accepting her appreciation, heh heh. Long distance phone call and all, mentioned just in passing. I had forwarded the correspondence that happened a while back. R Did she mention how much and how often? Thanks, Janet Rowena wrote: An elderly friend of mine (76 y.o. I think) told me today that since she has been taking bicarb the past week or so her pains have already eased. She has been in a great deal of pain for a long time. I had passed the bicarb info on to her. She is also awaiting delivery of one of the enzyme products from the US Rowena On 22/08/2010 5:14 AM, Garnet_LDN wrote: Does anyone here remember recent discussions of using Sodium Bicarbonate aka Baking Soda as an regular alkalinzing practice? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSTurpentine info was Urea for dry skin
Reposting failed mail. R. Daddybob told someone on the Crock Lakhovsky group: Assuming you are in the US, the 3 major brands here are Klean Strip, Crown and Sunnyside. Of these 3, Klean Strip is in a can that seems to have the least problem with rust, that can having a plastic cap and our spout. In Australia, Diggers Pure Gum Turpentine. The method is to take drops of the turpentine on white sugar, enough to absorb the liquid. Start small, just a few drops, to minimise die-off discomfort. Twice a week. You can up the dose as you progress. Doses in the old days were quite large, but do your research before you go past 5 ml (1 tsp) You can research rather more upmarket kinds of turpentine from Canada or Russia. http://naturessence.qc.ca/essential_oil/produits.php?cat=4 http://store.studioproducts.com/Gum-Turpentine-TRIPLE-DISTILLED-p-16242.html Our double-distilled gum turpentine was great but this is vastly superior cosmetic grade turpentine. It has a clean smell and dissolves cleanly with no residue . We avoided using common steel containers because gum turpentine reacts with the steel and rusts it. Fresh Gum Turpentine is used in the manufacture of cosmetics and medicines (it's used in Vicks to help free respiration). Freshness is important because Gum Turpentine (or spirits of gum turpentine) is chemically active and takes up oxygen from the surrounding the air. ... This is not Rectified turpentine, which is cooked at high temperatures with water and chemicals -- some claim that Rectified turpentine is just a British term for the same product, this is not true. The pine sap is mixed with water and a caustic and then distilled. Although that produces a clear spirits of gum turpentine, it also causes the spirits of turpentine to hold water. That additional water is why many resin varnishes grow cloudy. Today, much supposed gum turpentine is made in Third World countries using light woods, that is grinding up stumps, branches, pine needles and other junk and drawing the essence out with steam. That is called Wood Turpentine. Steam distilling results in that smelly stuff that also contains water. Real turpentine is made by patiently drawing off the tree sap. Just imagine what sort of maple syrup you would get if you boiled up roots, branches and leaves. .. Apinol has been around for more than a century. It is promoted for treating insect bites, stings, scrapes and bruises. If the local pharmacy doesn't carry it, Apinol can be found on the Internet (www.apinol.com). Apinol is America's oldest Green product. A trusted household name for over 106 years, this wonderful miracle first aid antiseptic/pain reliever has the natural healing power of pine oil. ..People around the world have used turpentine medicinally since ancient times. Its inclusion in home remedies for burns is not surprising ... www.articleshub.org/.../Home-Remedies-for-Burns-Made-From-Natural-Ingredients.html http://www.li.lv/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=393Itemid=1105 Milfoil, Ant Alcohol, Mustard Plaster, and Turpentine: On the Intricacies of Latvian Folk Medicine.. http://www.home-remedies-for-you.com/askquestion/8223/question-on-toothache-and-turpentine-can-i-use-tur.html Toothache and turpentine- 1. You may use clinical turpentine for toothache with 2 part of olive or coconut oil and soak this mixture in a cotton swab and apply at the site of ache. http://www.premierequinehealth.com/pvt.htm . http://www.blindpigandtheacorn.com/blind_pig_the_acorn/2009/01/medicinal-remedies-from-appalachia.html http://thereadonwnc.ning.com/profiles/blogs/medicinal-remedies-from For Chest Congestion: http://daily-survival.blogspot.com/2009/02/home-remedies-from-foxfire-1.html http://handmaidenkitchen.blogspot.com/2009/02/home-remedies-from-foxfire-1.html http://www.annals.org/content/81/1/82.abstract http://hubpages.com/hub/Old-Timey-Home-Remedies http://www.ehow.com/way_5805113_turpentine-cold-remedy.html One hundred years ago, it was used to cure eczema and sciatica, and as a treatment for the common cold. Turpentine: A History in Folk Medicine http://www.henriettesherbal.com/eclectic/ellingwood/pinus_tere.html http://www.mamaherb.com/turpentine http://chestofbooks.com/health/materia-medica-drugs/Therapeutics-Vegetables/Coniferae-Turpentine-Teeebinthina.html Description This section is from the book Materia Medica And Therapeutics - Vegetable Kingdom, by Charles D. F. Phillips. http://www.doctortreatments.com/Tape-Worms.html Home Medical Remedies, as Recommended by 19th and 20th century Doctors! http://conhttp://www.fauxpress.com/kimball/med/treat.html Case Reports Case 1. A 55-year-old man who had completed 11 years of education reported using turpentine during the year preceding the survey to rid himself of seed ticks. trolyeastnow.com/has-anyone-ever-heard-of-using-turpentine-to-cure-yeast-infections.php I have heard of and used turpentine to cure a urinary tract
Fw: CSOT - Dental work - infection? - tx ideas?
Jaxi, my first reaction is to have the dentist check the height of the fillings as the could be part of the problem. If either is too high when you chew on that side it will cause micro-trauma. If it were me, I would continue with the oil pulling even twice a day. You might want to research the herb Wild Indigo as it is specific for dental issues. You might also want to consider increasing the amount of the CS short term until you get past this. You might also want to research inclined bed therapy. It has helped my dental/neck/gland issues tremendously. Good place to start is www.heal-me.com.au Good luck. PT - Original Message - From: jaxi To: silver-list@eskimo.com ; LDN LowDoseNaltrexone ; ldnand...@yahoogroups.com ; dimethylsulfoxide-d...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 12:22 PM Subject: CSOT - Dental work - infection? - tx ideas? Last Monday I had my last 2 old fillings replaced. Top left side of the mouth. First molar and last molar. I have had TMJ issues for over 20 years. I wear a splint at night which typically helps. I have a congenital fusion of C2/C3 which appears to refer left. I always have some level of pain on the left. My left tonsil is always slightly swollen, as are the glands/nodes under the ear and under the rear chin. My left sinuses are always slightly congested/draining. I get all migraines in the left side. I have trigeminal nerve inolvment on the left with jaw pain/migraine activity. I almost always feel like I have a mild ear infection on the left. It was this cluster of symptoms that eventually lead to us discovering the congential fusion. Okay, back to dental work - Monday afternoon fillings replaced. Starting about Wednesday I noticed an increase in pain in left tonsil and the glands below the ear (sort of in front of the eustacian tube) and under the rear chin. I thought, okay my body is a wee bit cranky about the dental work and fighting an infection. I top first molar was also a bit sore and did not like it when I bit down on it - that pain has since mostly abated. Late Wed the occipital node on the left also started hurting. So now all those glands on the left are both swollen and painful, as is the left tonsil area and left ear area, the throat is a bit sore as well. I am also tired and a bit lethargic - but we have a lot of heat and humidity here right now so I would expect that regardless. Saturday I had a bought of diarrhea - but with the heat, humidity and the fact that I ate something I really shouldn't have - it may or may not be related. I am not running a fever but am wondering if the LDN and EIS are keeping the infection in check just enough that I haven't gotten that bad yet. Some things I've read online suggest occipital gland inflamtion is an indication of a fungal infection?? In my jaw/teeth? I don't really want to do a round of antibiotics if I can avoid it. I currently consume about 2 ounces of EIS a day - straight EIS (no salt, H2O2, or anything else added to it) - silverpuppy homemade. 1 ounce in the morning when I get up and another ounce at night before bed, I hold it in my mouth for 1-5 minutes before swallowing. I take 4.5 mg LDN at night (tx ulcerative colitis and pain with the LDN). I take an assortment of other supplements (D3, tumeric, fish oil, DLPA, ALA, B complex, grapefruit seed extract and a few others at are escaping my brain right now). I did try a couple rounds of oil pulling Thursday night, Friday and Saturday, but not since Sat morning. It's the 4 hrs after food and at least 1 hr after beverage that messes me up. Should I up EIS intake? Oils of ... ??? oregano and cinnamin have both been mentioned in the past related to dental/mouth stuff I think ... Oils ingested, applied to inside of mouth? Just suck it up and get antibiotics? Ideas? Sorry for the long email. I do appreciate ideas. I've been internet searching but it makes my head hurt because there is often so much conflicting info out there. Jaxi
Re: CSOT - Dental work - infection? - tx ideas?
Dear Jaxi, One thing I learned from my dental revision, Jaxi, is that once the last filling comes out of your mouth the absolute HIGHEST priority becomes mercury detox. I mean it is URGENT! Your body has been in full defensive mode ever since the first filling went in however many years ago. Given the lack of effective pathways for its elimination, all sorts of processes were activated to capture and sequester that daily dose of mercury so it would do as little harm as possible. Now that you've removed the daily assault of *new* mercury, your body will de-compensate and start trying to unload that entire burden of stored mercury as quickly as it can. Unfortunately for you, it STILL has no good way to get rid of the mercury! So the stuff will start circulating and causing toxic damage everywhere, worse than you would have had if you'd left your last filling in. So now you need to start helping it, PRONTO, to get rid of the mercury that is coming back into circulation. Best and easiest would be a good sweat in a far infrared sauna, daily, or as often as you can tolerate. Believe me, it will be worth it to buy one of these! I'd have spared myself several years of torture if I had bit the bullet and splurged on this so-called luxury item right away. If that's not possible, then get yourself some epsom salts, fill the bath tub with water at 104 degrees Farenheit, or warmer if you can handle it, dump in a few scoops of the salts, then soak in it for 20 minutes, working up a good sweat. Then drain and shower off. Do this RELIGIOUSLY every 3 days and you should be able to stay ahead of the detox and start to feel better. Slack off and you'll start to re- toxify. Get yourself a good electrolyte replacement beverage and you should be able to do either of these more often and with greater comfort. The common thread in these methods is sweating, of course. Sweating is an effective pathway for mercury removal and will not only move more mercury out faster but will take a load off your liver and kidneys, too. There are also other means to detox mercury... and if you're already on top of this aspect of your recovery, then you'll want to pursue the other suggestions that you're getting. If not, however, then this will get you started, and we can explore other ways to deal with the cursed stuff. Please let us know what you need. Peace, Mike D. Last Monday I had my last 2 old fillings replaced. Top left side of the mouth. First molar and last molar. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Fw: CSOT - Dental work - infection? - tx ideas?
hoping list is back up and this goes through On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:43 PM, jaxi jaxi.sch...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks PT - dentist is getting me in at 2 this afternoon - wants to check the tooth height issue and to make sure there is no abcess going on either. I will likely leave with an antibiotic script - to do or not to do ... I'll get on top of the oil pulling again. I forgot this morning. When I do it, I try to get my mouthful of oil on the way to my shower so I can pull all through my shower. It usually ensures I pull long enough and have the whole empty stomach thing. Also after I pull and rinse and brush out my mouth, I then do my CS - which I can do while dressing or even while driving to work ... lol. But I figure the pulling and rinsing help prep the mouth for the CS since I thought I read somewhere that CS is more effective if you cleanse the mouth prior to use. I'll check out the inclined bed stuff tonight from home. I try not to travel to too many interesting web sites when at work. Big brother is watching. Our bed would be fairly easy to incline I think. I have some CS with me at work. So I just did another mouthful. Peace, Jaxi On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:03 PM, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Jaxi, my first reaction is to have the dentist check the height of the fillings as the could be part of the problem. If either is too high when you chew on that side it will cause micro-trauma. If it were me, I would continue with the oil pulling even twice a day. You might want to research the herb Wild Indigo as it is specific for dental issues. You might also want to consider increasing the amount of the CS short term until you get past this. You might also want to research inclined bed therapy. It has helped my dental/neck/gland issues tremendously. Good place to start is www.heal-me.com.au Good luck. PT - Original Message - *From:* jaxi jaxi.sch...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com ; LDN LowDoseNaltrexonelowdosenaltrex...@yahoogroups.com; ldnand...@yahoogroups.com ; dimethylsulfoxide-d...@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, August 23, 2010 12:22 PM *Subject:* CSOT - Dental work - infection? - tx ideas? Last Monday I had my last 2 old fillings replaced. Top left side of the mouth. First molar and last molar. I have had TMJ issues for over 20 years. I wear a splint at night which typically helps. I have a congenital fusion of C2/C3 which appears to refer left. I always have some level of pain on the left. My left tonsil is always slightly swollen, as are the glands/nodes under the ear and under the rear chin. My left sinuses are always slightly congested/draining. I get all migraines in the left side. I have trigeminal nerve inolvment on the left with jaw pain/migraine activity. I almost always feel like I have a mild ear infection on the left. It was this cluster of symptoms that eventually lead to us discovering the congential fusion. Okay, back to dental work - Monday afternoon fillings replaced. Starting about Wednesday I noticed an increase in pain in left tonsil and the glands below the ear (sort of in front of the eustacian tube) and under the rear chin. I thought, okay my body is a wee bit cranky about the dental work and fighting an infection. I top first molar was also a bit sore and did not like it when I bit down on it - that pain has since mostly abated. Late Wed the occipital node on the left also started hurting. So now all those glands on the left are both swollen and painful, as is the left tonsil area and left ear area, the throat is a bit sore as well. I am also tired and a bit lethargic - but we have a lot of heat and humidity here right now so I would expect that regardless. Saturday I had a bought of diarrhea - but with the heat, humidity and the fact that I ate something I really shouldn't have - it may or may not be related. I am not running a fever but am wondering if the LDN and EIS are keeping the infection in check just enough that I haven't gotten that bad yet. Some things I've read online suggest occipital gland inflamtion is an indication of a fungal infection?? In my jaw/teeth? I don't really want to do a round of antibiotics if I can avoid it. I currently consume about 2 ounces of EIS a day - straight EIS (no salt, H2O2, or anything else added to it) - silverpuppy homemade. 1 ounce in the morning when I get up and another ounce at night before bed, I hold it in my mouth for 1-5 minutes before swallowing. I take 4.5 mg LDN at night (tx ulcerative colitis and pain with the LDN). I take an assortment of other supplements (D3, tumeric, fish oil, DLPA, ALA, B complex, grapefruit seed extract and a few others at are escaping my brain right now). I did try a couple rounds of oil pulling Thursday night, Friday and Saturday, but not since Sat morning. It's the 4 hrs after food and at least 1 hr after beverage that
Re: CSOT - Dental work - infection? - tx ideas?
On 23 Aug 2010 at 11:22, jaxi wrote about : Subject : CSOT - Dental work - infection? - Last Monday I had my last2 old fillings replaced. Top left side of the mouth. First molar and last molar. I have had TMJ issues for over 20 years. I wear a splint at night which typically helps. I have a congenital fusion of C2/C3 which appears to refer left. I always have some level of pain on the left. My left tonsil is always slightly swollen, as are the glands/nodes under the ear and under the rear chin. My left sinuses are always slightly congested/draining. I get all migraines in the left side. I have trigeminal nerve inolvment on the left with jaw pain/migraine activity. I almost always feel like I have a mild ear infection on the left. It was this cluster of symptoms that eventually lead to us discovering the congential fusion. Okay, back to dental work - Monday afternoonfillings replaced. Starting about Wednesday I noticed an increase in pain in left tonsil and the glands below the ear (sort of in front of the eustacian tube) and under the rear chin. I thought, okay my body is a wee bit cranky about the dental work and fighting an infection. I top first molar was also a bit sore and did not like it when I bit down on it - that pain has since mostly abated. Late Wed the occipital node on the left also started hurting.So now all those glands on the left are bothswollen and painful, as is the left tonsil area and left ear area, the throat is a bit sore as well. I am also tired and a bit lethargic - but we have a lot of heat and humidity here right now so I would expect that regardless. Saturday I had a bought of diarrhea - but with the heat, humidity and the fact thatI ate something I really shouldn't have -it may or may not be related. I am not running a fever but am wondering if the LDN and EIS are keeping the infection in check just enough that I haven't gotten that bad yet. Some things I've read online suggest occipital gland inflamtion is an indication of a fungal infection?? In my jaw/teeth? I don't really want to do a round of antibiotics if I can avoid it. I currently consume about 2 ounces of EIS a day - straight EIS (no salt, H2O2, or anything else added to it)- silverpuppy homemade. 1 ounce in the morning when I get up and another ounce at night before bed, I hold it in my mouth for 1-5 minutes before swallowing. I take 4.5 mg LDN at night (tx ulcerative colitis and pain with the LDN). I take an assortment of other supplements (D3, tumeric, fish oil, DLPA, ALA, B complex, grapefruit seed extract and a few others at are escaping my brain right now). I did try a couple rounds of oil pulling Thursday night, Friday and Saturday, but not since Sat morning. It's the 4 hrs after food and at least 1 hr after beverage that messes me up. Should I up EIS intake? Oils of ... ??? oregano and cinnamin have both been mentioned in the past related to dental/mouth stuff I think ... Oils ingested, applied to inside of mouth? Just suck it up and get antibiotics? Ideas? Sorry for the long email. I do appreciate ideas. I've been internet searching but it makes my head hurt because there is often so much conflicting info out there. Jaxi Hi Jaxi, Please take this with caution. I'm an mr fixit engineer not a Dr. Yes you could increase the amount of CS. I might do a cup or two a day as a heavy dose ( up to 8 oz say) and back off to 1/2 oz for the maintenance. For teeth I have had very good results from using a drop of clove oil which burns but dulls the pain and is very good at anti infection. don't know the others. I used to dip a toothpick in the oil and apply it to the offending tooth. A more benign way is to place a whole clove 'claw' between tooth and gum and just leave that there day and night. Replace as necessary. My guess is that you could do with some lymph drainage on neck ( please do both sides for the balance but concentrate on the affected side ) Simplest is self drainage. Use the karate chop edge of your L hand to scoop down L side of your neck, from edge of head bone, occiput, right down onto your shoulder/chest. Work the whole of the neck both back and front. . In particular work down from your ear onto your collarbone area. Be gentle but persistent on places which hurt; which may indicate places of blockage. If you could find someone to do cranio sacral work . that may be able to correct all that you have been talking of. I can't comment on your supplements. I think oil pulling takes a while to kick in properly. One or two sessions will probably not do much; but am happy to be wrong. OK, Tony -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives:
Re: CSTurpentine info was Urea for dry skin
Interesting reposting failed but this came through... PT - Original Message - From: Rowena new...@internode.on.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 12:57 PM Subject: CSTurpentine info was Urea for dry skin Reposting failed mail. R. Daddybob told someone on the Crock Lakhovsky group: Assuming you are in the US, the 3 major brands here are Klean Strip, Crown and Sunnyside. Of these 3, Klean Strip is in a can that seems to have the least problem with rust, that can having a plastic cap and our spout. In Australia, Diggers Pure Gum Turpentine. The method is to take drops of the turpentine on white sugar, enough to absorb the liquid. Start small, just a few drops, to minimise die-off discomfort. Twice a week. You can up the dose as you progress. Doses in the old days were quite large, but do your research before you go past 5 ml (1 tsp) You can research rather more upmarket kinds of turpentine from Canada or Russia. http://naturessence.qc.ca/essential_oil/produits.php?cat=4 http://store.studioproducts.com/Gum-Turpentine-TRIPLE-DISTILLED-p-16242.html Our double-distilled gum turpentine was great but this is vastly superior cosmetic grade turpentine. It has a clean smell and dissolves cleanly with no residue . We avoided using common steel containers because gum turpentine reacts with the steel and rusts it. Fresh Gum Turpentine is used in the manufacture of cosmetics and medicines (it's used in Vicks to help free respiration). Freshness is important because Gum Turpentine (or spirits of gum turpentine) is chemically active and takes up oxygen from the surrounding the air. ... This is not Rectified turpentine, which is cooked at high temperatures with water and chemicals -- some claim that Rectified turpentine is just a British term for the same product, this is not true. The pine sap is mixed with water and a caustic and then distilled. Although that produces a clear spirits of gum turpentine, it also causes the spirits of turpentine to hold water. That additional water is why many resin varnishes grow cloudy. Today, much supposed gum turpentine is made in Third World countries using light woods, that is grinding up stumps, branches, pine needles and other junk and drawing the essence out with steam. That is called Wood Turpentine. Steam distilling results in that smelly stuff that also contains water. Real turpentine is made by patiently drawing off the tree sap. Just imagine what sort of maple syrup you would get if you boiled up roots, branches and leaves. .. Apinol has been around for more than a century. It is promoted for treating insect bites, stings, scrapes and bruises. If the local pharmacy doesn't carry it, Apinol can be found on the Internet (www.apinol.com). Apinol is America's oldest Green product. A trusted household name for over 106 years, this wonderful miracle first aid antiseptic/pain reliever has the natural healing power of pine oil. ..People around the world have used turpentine medicinally since ancient times. Its inclusion in home remedies for burns is not surprising ... www.articleshub.org/.../Home-Remedies-for-Burns-Made-From-Natural-Ingredients.html http://www.li.lv/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=393Itemid=1105 Milfoil, Ant Alcohol, Mustard Plaster, and Turpentine: On the Intricacies of Latvian Folk Medicine.. http://www.home-remedies-for-you.com/askquestion/8223/question-on-toothache-and-turpentine-can-i-use-tur.html Toothache and turpentine- 1. You may use clinical turpentine for toothache with 2 part of olive or coconut oil and soak this mixture in a cotton swab and apply at the site of ache. http://www.premierequinehealth.com/pvt.htm . http://www.blindpigandtheacorn.com/blind_pig_the_acorn/2009/01/medicinal-remedies-from-appalachia.html http://thereadonwnc.ning.com/profiles/blogs/medicinal-remedies-from For Chest Congestion: http://daily-survival.blogspot.com/2009/02/home-remedies-from-foxfire-1.html http://handmaidenkitchen.blogspot.com/2009/02/home-remedies-from-foxfire-1.html http://www.annals.org/content/81/1/82.abstract http://hubpages.com/hub/Old-Timey-Home-Remedies http://www.ehow.com/way_5805113_turpentine-cold-remedy.html One hundred years ago, it was used to cure eczema and sciatica, and as a treatment for the common cold. Turpentine: A History in Folk Medicine http://www.henriettesherbal.com/eclectic/ellingwood/pinus_tere.html http://www.mamaherb.com/turpentine http://chestofbooks.com/health/materia-medica-drugs/Therapeutics-Vegetables/Coniferae-Turpentine-Teeebinthina.html Description This section is from the book Materia Medica And Therapeutics - Vegetable Kingdom, by Charles D. F. Phillips. http://www.doctortreatments.com/Tape-Worms.html Home Medical Remedies, as Recommended by 19th and 20th century Doctors! http://conhttp://www.fauxpress.com/kimball/med/treat.html Case Reports Case 1. A 55-year-old man who had completed 11 years of education
CShydrogen peroxide
Hi, Can anyone tell me if 3% hydrogen peroxide is acceptable for breaking down the CS molecule size? I cannot find any food grade 35% locally and I'll be dogonned if I'm going to pay $19 s/h for $18 worth of product! Thanks. PT
Re: CSOT - Dental work - infection? - tx ideas?
My wife started having bleeding from the gums during her daily brushing regimen. Much simpler than your situation, but rather than using EIS (which she hates) i suggested she try our godzilla zapper (instructions on the micro-electricity yahoo group). Basically, she spent 15 minutes sending 6V of current through her jaws. We think this has ended the beginnings of gum disease. In the past she suffered terrible problems due to TMD (Temporo Mandibular Dysfunction) which is pretty much TMJ on steroids. She ended up having a couple jaw surgeries to address congenital malformed bite issues. but had to prep for a year with a special splint that had to be adjusted frequently as her jaw joints healed and swelling was eliminated. The dentist was a specialist in a fairly new dental approach called bioesthetics. Worth checking into. Changed my wife's life. --- On Mon, 8/23/10, jaxi jaxi.sch...@gmail.com wrote: From: jaxi jaxi.sch...@gmail.com Subject: CSOT - Dental work - infection? - tx ideas? To: silver-list@eskimo.com, LDN LowDoseNaltrexone lowdosenaltrex...@yahoogroups.com, ldnand...@yahoogroups.com, dimethylsulfoxide-d...@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 12:22 PM Last Monday I had my last 2 old fillings replaced. Top left side of the mouth. First molar and last molar. I have had TMJ issues for over 20 years. I wear a splint at night which typically helps. I have a congenital fusion of C2/C3 which appears to refer left. I always have some level of pain on the left. My left tonsil is always slightly swollen, as are the glands/nodes under the ear and under the rear chin. My left sinuses are always slightly congested/draining. I get all migraines in the left side. I have trigeminal nerve inolvment on the left with jaw pain/migraine activity. I almost always feel like I have a mild ear infection on the left. It was this cluster of symptoms that eventually lead to us discovering the congential fusion. Okay, back to dental work - Monday afternoon fillings replaced. Starting about Wednesday I noticed an increase in pain in left tonsil and the glands below the ear (sort of in front of the eustacian tube) and under the rear chin. I thought, okay my body is a wee bit cranky about the dental work and fighting an infection. I top first molar was also a bit sore and did not like it when I bit down on it - that pain has since mostly abated. Late Wed the occipital node on the left also started hurting. So now all those glands on the left are both swollen and painful, as is the left tonsil area and left ear area, the throat is a bit sore as well. I am also tired and a bit lethargic - but we have a lot of heat and humidity here right now so I would expect that regardless. Saturday I had a bought of diarrhea - but with the heat, humidity and the fact that I ate something I really shouldn't have - it may or may not be related. I am not running a fever but am wondering if the LDN and EIS are keeping the infection in check just enough that I haven't gotten that bad yet. Some things I've read online suggest occipital gland inflamtion is an indication of a fungal infection?? In my jaw/teeth? I don't really want to do a round of antibiotics if I can avoid it. I currently consume about 2 ounces of EIS a day - straight EIS (no salt, H2O2, or anything else added to it) - silverpuppy homemade. 1 ounce in the morning when I get up and another ounce at night before bed, I hold it in my mouth for 1-5 minutes before swallowing. I take 4.5 mg LDN at night (tx ulcerative colitis and pain with the LDN). I take an assortment of other supplements (D3, tumeric, fish oil, DLPA, ALA, B complex, grapefruit seed extract and a few others at are escaping my brain right now). I did try a couple rounds of oil pulling Thursday night, Friday and Saturday, but not since Sat morning. It's the 4 hrs after food and at least 1 hr after beverage that messes me up. Should I up EIS intake? Oils of ... ??? oregano and cinnamin have both been mentioned in the past related to dental/mouth stuff I think ... Oils ingested, applied to inside of mouth? Just suck it up and get antibiotics? Ideas? Sorry for the long email. I do appreciate ideas. I've been internet searching but it makes my head hurt because there is often so much conflicting info out there. Jaxi
RE: CSpederson's silver
I tried to post this last Saturday but the servers wouldn't let me.
I know my previous post was brief. But working on a Blackberry is a pain for
me. And since I can't specify plaintext with the Blackberry, the message
quickly gets too large.
The brevity was not to try and cut off discussion. I knew my comment on silver
oxide (SO) could be controversial and I hoped for feedback from others.
I had wondered about SO and getting through the stomach and so I looked for
information on the web. As you know, a balanced equation for a reaction doesn't
tell you everything. For example, does the reaction require heat, a certain
concentration or a long reaction time?
I was confident regarding SO that is in solution but not as sure about SO bound
to a silver particle and if the bound SO would be in HCl long enough to be
converted. From what I have read, transition times through the stomach are
typically 1 to 3 hours with liquids at the low end. That seemed like enough
time to me.
There was a reason I included reduction of the SO to metallic silver as one of
the possible reactions. I saw somewhere on the net that could happen. But I did
not bookmark the site and I have not been able to found it again. It is
entirely possible that I read it wrong, esp. since I was on the BB.
To further cloud the issue is particle size. I have found a multitude of
claimed particle sizes for Silver Solutions. The patent claims 50% of particles
are less than 15 nm. A safety analysis claims 2.34 nm particle size. And the
Guardian Silver Sol vs Colloidal Silver page claims 0.05 to 0.1 nm particle
size. It would be nice if they would stick to one story. Those particle sizes
would VERY roughly equate to the following quantities of silver atoms in a
silver particle:
* 1 nm, approx 30 atoms
* 2.34, nm approx 400 atoms
* 15 nm, approx 100,000 atoms
The reason I mention the no. of atoms is the following report:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL_udi=B6WHR-4KH3YG7-4_user=10_coverDate=11%2F15%2F2006_rdoc=1_fmt=high_orig=search_sort=d_docanchor=view=c_searchStrId=1439291768_rerunOrigin=google_acct=C50221_version=1_urlVersion=0_userid=10md5=e304987661638df02433931cbf54d7f4
High chemical reactivity of silver nanoparticles toward hydrochloric acid
High chemical reactivity of Ag nanoparticles was observed in the reaction with
hydrochloric acid: Ag (nanoparticles) +HCI - AgCl + H-2; the reaction product
silver chloride was characterized by X-ray powder diffraction to give a direct
evidence for the reaction which has been proved impossible for the bulk Ag.
I don't have access to the full report but even 15 nm is well within the
definition of a nanoparticle ( or = to 100 nm). But is 100,000 atoms too large
a particle to convert? This would indicate that stomach acid could potentially
convert ALL silver in EIS and nanoparticle colloidal silvers, such as
Mesosilver, to AgCl. It would also seem that HCl would not then have a problem
converting all the silver and silver oxide in Silver Sol (Silver Solutions,
ASAP, etc.) to AgCl as well.
I am not a chemist, so does anyone care to speculate?
Thanks,
Steve N
- Original Message -
From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 11:04 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re:CSpederson's silver
I am on a Blackberry right now so my internet capabilities are limited. A
couple references are below.
- Steve N
http://www.quantumbalancing.com/real_facts_on_colloidal_silver.htm
The ionic portion is a combination of silver hydroxide and silver oxide. While
in solution they continually convert from one to the other and back again. Each
has a solubility of about 13 ppm, so any EIS which is less than about 26 ppm
and a pH of 7 will be totally dissolved. Upon contact with the HCl
(hydrochloric acid) of the stomach both of these compounds will immediately
form silver chloride
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/771121
2) A slurry of Ag2O is readily attacked by acids:Ag2O + 2 HX → 2 AgX + H2O
where HX = HF, HCl, HBr, or HI,
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Re: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask
A dentist in Mexico gave me her supply of two part epoxy to glue loose cr owns back in. I told her that I was too many miles from Mexico to drop in just for re-gluing crowns. I used super glue to stick back on loose crowns. She tried to convert pesos to dollars with her calculator and said just give it to him. Dentist up here will not even sell me the epoxy. They prefer to say you need a new crown and get about $500. I had a dentist check up prior to knee replacement and my dentist said I had many ill fitting crowns made in Mexico but could not believe that I had no cavities. Thanks to brushing my teeth with the EIS/MSM/Xylitol/Dmso mix given to the list by the retired Dentist who applied for a patent (XLEAR)?. He said use his mix but don't sell the mixture. I heard that it is now risky to cross the border from Yuma to Los Algodones, Mexico because of the drug cartels. Where are the snow birds going for Dental work now? Brickey
CSEIS/MSM/Xylitol/Dmso mix
Brickey - what is the mix percentages? I have all those items on hand and could make it. Jaxi On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:04 PM, brick...@aol.com wrote: A dentist in Mexico gave me her supply of two part epoxy to glue loose crowns back in. I told her that I was too many miles from Mexico to drop in just for re-gluing crowns. I used super glue to stick back on loose crowns. She tried to convert pesos to dollars with her calculator and said just give it to him. Dentist up here will not even sell me the epoxy. They prefer to say you need a new crown and get about $500. I had a dentist check up prior to knee replacement and my dentist said I had many ill fitting crowns made in Mexico but could not believe that I had no cavities. Thanks to brushing my teeth with the EIS/MSM/Xylitol/Dmso mix given to the list by the retired Dentist who applied for a patent (XLEAR)?. He said use his mix but don't sell the mixture. I heard that it is now risky to cross the border from Yuma to Los Algodones, Mexico because of the drug cartels. Where are the snow birds going for Dental work now? Brickey
Re: CSOT: Implants-materials/kinds/questions to ask
Hello Brickley, Thanks to brushing my teeth with the EIS/MSM/Xylitol/Dmso mix given to the list by the retired Dentist who applied for a patent (XLEAR) Do you have the parts of each ingredient? TIA, Jim On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:04 PM, brick...@aol.com wrote: A dentist in Mexico gave me her supply of two part epoxy to glue loose crowns back in. I told her that I was too many miles from Mexico to drop in just for re-gluing crowns. I used super glue to stick back on loose crowns. She tried to convert pesos to dollars with her calculator and said just give it to him. Dentist up here will not even sell me the epoxy. They prefer to say you need a new crown and get about $500. I had a dentist check up prior to knee replacement and my dentist said I had many ill fitting crowns made in Mexico but could not believe that I had no cavities. Thanks to brushing my teeth with the EIS/MSM/Xylitol/Dmso mix given to the list by the retired Dentist who applied for a patent (XLEAR)?. He said use his mix but don't sell the mixture. I heard that it is now risky to cross the border from Yuma to Los Algodones, Mexico because of the drug cartels. Where are the snow birds going for Dental work now? Brickey
CSMailing Failing PT and Turpentine Typo
It took me a while to interpret what I wrote when I saw it this morning, PT. What I meant was I am reposting mail which was returned to me as undeliverable. (I am) reposting failed mail (herewith). Has to be bad when the author hasn't got a clue what she said either There's a typo in the text about the turpentine can: 'Of these 3, Klean Strip is in a can that seems to have the least problem with rust, that can having a plastic cap and our spout. ' our spout should read pour spout. Good wishes Rowena needling around wrote: Interesting reposting failed but this came through... PT Reposting failed mail. R. PS - this reply also failed to get through; returned to me as under: Original Message Subject:Returned mail: see transcript for details Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:41:29 -0700 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem mailer-dae...@eskimo.com To: new...@internode.on.net The original message was received at Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:41:28 -0700 from ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.143] - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - |flist silver-list (reason: Cannot open input) (expanded from:silver-list@eskimo.com) - Transcript of session follows - flist: Couldn't chdir to /userspace/smartlist 550 5.3.0 |flist silver-list... Cannot open input -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFarfetched Idea
Resend attempt. Here is what is probably a farfetched idea. It is based on the study that showed that silver nanoparticles are highly reactive with hydrochloric acid (link below). It turns out that HCl is compatible with DMSO. There are quite a number of articles on the net relative to DMSO and HCl. For example: http://article.pubs.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/ppv/RPViewDoc?issn=1480-3291volume=5 6issue=14startPage=1881 Ion association in solutions of HCl in DMSO-water mixtures: ultrasonic absorption studies Would it be possible that an HCl/DMSO solution could be used topically to convert metallic silver in the skin to silver chloride? Then the silver chloride could go into solution and be eliminated from the body? It would have to be a somewhat dilute HCl, say a pH of 5 - 6? Metallic silver is usually found in tissues in argyria cases. - Steve N http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL_udi=B6WHR-4KH3YG7-4 _user=10_coverDate=11%2F15%2F2006_rdoc=1_fmt=high_orig=search_sort =d_docanchor=view=c_searchStrId=1439291768_rerunOrigin=google_acct= C50221_version=1_urlVersion=0_userid=10md5=e304987661638df024339 31cbf54d7f4 High chemical reactivity of silver nanoparticles toward hydrochloric acid High chemical reactivity of Ag nanoparticles was observed in the reaction with hydrochloric acid: Ag (nanoparticles) +HCI - AgCl + H-2; the reaction product silver chloride was characterized by X-ray powder diffraction to give a direct evidence for the reaction which has been proved impossible for the bulk Ag. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
