date:20101220

There you are, Mike!  Merry Christmas to ya, and the best of the New Year to 
you 
and yours!!  :-D
MA





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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 12:30:10 AM
Subject: CS[List Owner] Reminder for new members and lurkers...

Hi everybody,

For all of you who enjoy holidays of various sorts at this time of 
year, I wish you good ones. smile

For any new members or lurkers wondering, Where's all the information 
about colloidal silver I was told would be here? ... 

Let me explain that most of the regulars here already have had their 
questions answered long ago, and thus don't *need* to talk about CS 
amongst themselves very much. So, unless you let us know what kind of 
information you're looking for, the conversation will continue to bob 
and weave among whatever health-related topics people have on their 
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to get information when they *do* ask for it.

So, please let us know you're there and what kind of questions you need 
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Address your questions to silver-list@eskimo.com ... 

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Peace,

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Re: CSDistilled Water....MORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!

Hi Bruce.  Tell me more please -- how much honey and how much and what kind of 
vinegar in how much water?  When do you drink it?  Before meals?  Every meal?  
Details -- I need details!!!  :-D   Thanks very much.
MA





From: Bruce Anderson bande65...@btes.tv
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 8:13:03 PM
Subject: Re: CSDistilled WaterMORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!

Ever try honey  vinegar in water?  It got rid of my GURD and acid reflux.
Bruce A.

On 12/19/2010 7:13 PM, MaryAnn Helland wrote: 
Oh boy.  :-(

Well -- I'm not a big sweet eater, so that's no problem.  If I stopped eating 
after 5:30, I'd never have dinner again -- we don't have dinner until 
7:00-8:00 
at night.  However, I usually don't go to bed until 11:30, so the stomach 
should 
be clear -- but the issues frequently begin as soon as I lay down.

When do you take the whole flax seeds?  How do they stop food from staying in 
your stomach?

When you say that you brush your teeth with EIS and swallow -- do you do that 
before going to bed?  Do you think this has some bearing on the issue?

Thanks for answering my questions.
MA





From: brick...@aol.com brick...@aol.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 4:48:18 PM
Subject: Re: CSDistilled WaterMORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!

In a message dated 12/19/2010 6:49:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
marmar...@bellsouth.net writes:
what are you doing instead of using those products?  I'm off of them too -- 
but 
frequently I'm miserable.  :-(
I limit sweets as they seem to cause heartburn stop eating after about 5:30 
and 
quit drinking even water after 8 PM. So when I go to bed  everything is 
digested. I also take 2 1/2 tablespoons of whole flax seeds so food will not 
stay in my stomach. When I quit Prilosec I found what foods cause problems, 
most 
of the foods which I crave. I found I can try some at lunch where they have 
time 
to be digested before bed. I brush my teeth with EIS and swallow.
Brickey

RE: CSDistilled Water....MORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!

2010-12-20 Thread Ode Coyote




  Pure water is an excellent solvent.
 Membranes are intelligent and selective reverse osmosis filters that 
purify water as it goes in so it can carry impurities out.
If it DOESN'T dissolve minerals that have reacted with *whatever* and done 
their jobs, you are stuck with all those nasty used up minerals and no new 
ones will have room to get in...you have stopped a natural cycle.


 A solvent carries things BOTH ways.
Nature hates both a vacuum and a pressure.

It doesn't matter if the water you drink is distilled or not, your 
membranes will purify it as best they can so it [and associated mechanisms] 
can transport mineral nutrients from food also at that interface.if 
anything, a little help in that area won't hurt a thing.

There might be a little bit less crap in your crap is all.
If there are minerals in the input water as well as in the food, the best 
ones will be selected, as needed and the rest passed on.
 My bet, most of them will come from the food and in the absence of 
minerals in the water, All of them will come from the food.


Now, if your input is less than the output because you are starving, 
leeching may become a problem...but impure water input is still selectively 
purified by the membranes even if there's nothing there to carry in with it.


IOW  Your body isn't STUPID...it's quite well designed to adapt.
If this were not so, everybody who has a green or blue stain in the sink 
from a dripping faucet..wouldn't have a functioning nerve left in that body.


Ode


At 09:31 AM 12/20/2010 +1100, you wrote:
Not sure what you're all on about so I'll just butt in here with my two 
bobs worth, if I'm off track just hit the delete button.


I spoke with a water treatment bloke many moons ago about DW and EIS/CS 
that I make and ingest and he told me one can't drink DW as one would 
drink ordinary water...because it lacks minerals etc it will leach them 
from the body, eventually one will feel decidedly unwell.  Not a problem 
in what I do with DW, only if one drinks it as they would, or instead of, 
ordinary water.


Again, if this is not relevant to what you're all on about, then ignore it.

N.


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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 08:19:57 -0800
From: jpetras...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSDistilled WaterMORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!

I appreciate the feedback about Mercola.

With regard to my original question though, does anyone have any 
input/science regarding any danger with distilled water as Mercola 
outlines it?...any veracity, do you think, to his article? Possibly in 
large quantities, for someone using DW to hydrate and nothing much 
else...but for our purposes, I kind of doubt it.


Have a happy,
John





--- On Sat, 12/18/10, j petras jpetras...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: j petras jpetras...@yahoo.com
Subject: Distilled WaterMORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, December 18, 2010, 9:02 AM

I'm forwarding this provocative article for feedback.

I found the article of particular interest for those of us who make our 
own CS from distilled water...from any source.


A total dissolved PM reading, on a  PPM scale may not indicate any VOCs or 
DBPs as the article states (which are dangerous at PPB levels). But, then, 
we're not typically swigging glassfulls of CS a day either.


Any thoughts? thanks, and have a happy!!


http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/12/18/distilled-water-interview.aspx




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Re: CSDistilled Water....MORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!

Hi Gene.  Thank you for that -- I'll give this a try.  Do you have to take them 
an hour or so ahead of eating, or just at mealtime?
MA

From: Gene Wolfe ge...@ix.netcom.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 7:31:20 PM
Subject: Re: CSDistilled WaterMORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!

I take NSI Probiotic 15-35 from Vitacost.com.

Gene

On 12/19/2010 5:58 PM, MaryAnn Helland wrote: 
Seriously?  Can you tell me what brand you use?  Thanks Gene.
MA

From: Gene Wolfe ge...@ix.netcom.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 10:41:05 AM
Subject: Re: CSDistilled WaterMORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!

MA, I take 2 Probiotic caps with each meal, and it has made a huge difference 
in 
my digestion. I have had heart burn for years, and it is gone.

Gene

On 12/19/2010 8:48 AM, MaryAnn Helland wrote: 
Brickey -- what are you doing instead of using those products?  I'm off of 
them 
too -- but frequently I'm miserable.  :-(
MA

From: brick...@aol.com brick...@aol.com

I got off Prilosec, Nexium doing what Mercola said without buying anything 
from 
him. I was on Hiatal Hernia, GERD medications since college days, late 
1950's. 
Brickey

CSLiposomal Glutathione

2010-12-20 Thread Del


Hi,

Is anybody making their own liposomal glutathione?
We have had such a positive experience using lipo-C, made according to the 
Brooks Bradley formula, that we would like to try the lipo-glutathione as 
well and I was hoping to get a recipe and instructions from somebody who is 
already doing it.


We are concentrating lately on supplements that enhance the immune system. 
One that we have had great success with is IP-6 Inositol.  While this is 
known primarily as a cancer fighter 
(http://jn.nutrition.org/content/133/11/3778S.full) it is also a powerful 
immune system booster and has many beneficial effects with no reports yet of 
any negative ones of any significance.  I take the pill (4 in the morning 
and 4 at night, on an empty stomach) because something in the IP-6 powder 
has a bad effect on my intestines - the pill has no such effect, so I know 
it is something else in the powder, probably the stevia, which I can't 
tolerate.


Of course, we take five thousand units a day of Vit-D3.
We like supplements that work right away.  We saw immediate benefits from 
the IP-6, and even more dramatic benefits from the lipo-C.  We have tried 
others, such as Beta-glucan, with no noticeable result, so we discontinued.


thanks,
Del 





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CSLate Breaking News: one day to stop Food Safety Bill!!! Please forward

2010-12-20 Thread Nenah Sylver

Time Sensitive Bulletin From Alliance for Natural Health:

 

Please forward this message to everyone you know who cares about the Food
Safety issue, and ask them to take action TODAY, since the bill will almost
certainly be voted upon tomorrow, Tuesday 12/21.

 

Sunday night, in one of the most underhanded and outrageous legislative
maneuvers we've seen, the Senate passed the language of S. 510, the Food
Safety bill, by a unanimous consent agreement. It now goes to the House of
Representatives. We have one last chance to stop it!

As we told you http://aahf.convio.net/site/R?i=vcdZcODE3vA7CrUCCQbJAg..
last week, Democrats first attempted to attach the food safety bill to the
short-term spending measure to keep the government running, but Republicans
balked because they wanted to keep that measure clean. So last night, the
Senate raised it as an amendment to a completely unrelated bill from the
House of Representatives-H.R. 2751, the Consumer Assistance to Recycle and
Save Act!  Quite a number of reports, including some from other health
organizations, have gotten many of these details wrong. The swift approval
by unanimous consent caught some aides and lobbyists working on it by
surprise. Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) had promised to block the legislation, but
lifted his objection at the final moment.

Reid announced he would send the legislation-this time attached to a
House-originated measure-back to the lower chamber for final approval.
Please contact Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and your own Congressional
representative immediately and urge that the Food Safety language be
completely stripped from H.R. 2751 the Consumer Assistance to Recycle and
Save Act!

We believe Pelosi would prefer to bring up Food Safety under suspension,
which is an expedited House procedure that requires a two-thirds vote to
pass. We need you to urge her in the strongest possible terms to bring it up
under regular order-no more expedited deals, no more underhanded maneuvers! 

Tell her that the Senate's passage of this bill at 10 p.m. on a Sunday night
doesn't give the public an opportunity to weigh in-and you don't want the
same thing to happen in the House! Tell her this issue is too vital for you
and your family's health to allow it to be considered outside of regular
protocols!

Please send a http://aahf.convio.net/site/R?i=r5BqJ2dF0t2e9BANqtfD3g..
message to Ms. Pelosi and your representative TODAY!



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Re: CSDistilled Water....MORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!

2010-12-20 Thread Grace1way

My experience with Mercola has been pretty positive. On his website I can
find around 70,000 articles on virtually any subject of alternative
health. This is a huge service he provides without charge. With respect to
his
hyping his own products to raid our wallets, his products are generally at
the low end of the cost continuum, AND, he often recommends the products of
other companies at the same time he offers those he sells. I have found
his products to be of very good quality, and better than products I have
bought instead (but googled to find the lowest price--for instance the
countertop convection oven). Often I have read an article on his free email
newsletter program and decided to try the product recommended, only to find
that
his company does not sell it! Another service that has been valuable is
the unconditional refund. I bought a gallon of coconut oil maybe 5 years
ago, but did not use it because I was allergic to it. I talked to someone
with the phone number provided on the email newsletter, and they said I could
mail it back for a full refund (and just received $76.56 back). Mercola is
very knowledgeable, and consults with others who also have much knowledge
and good contacts. I don't have the time, nor inclination, to do all that
footwork.

That said, one should be very wary of living one's life according to
authority. The reason most people are authority conscious is that it takes a
tremendous amount of time, effort, and responsibility to do otherwise. It
also takes a certain development to be able to catch oneself in the authority
thought stream, since most everything in our brain library is of this
authority ilk. Those of us, like Einstein, who have managed to observe this
process from a distance have gone very far with this discriminative ability,
and have made tremendous contributions to the rest of us by building thought
systems (and resultant actions) on a ground of actual experience.

On a more practical vein, humans have many health issues in common (i.e.
the structure and physiology of the human body), but we also are unique in
many ways. This last fact argues against One Size Fits All medicine, be
it conventional or alternative. We can read sources such as Mercola (and
many others), do our own research, but ultimately, for me at least, it comes
down to what my body tells me it wants and muscle testing (or pendulum
dowsing) for collaboration. To see our body as solely physical, a separate
entity--separate from emotions, beliefs, energy systems, and separate from our
surroundings, is to have a false picture of the body, and of its needs.
Lately, although I know and have available what I should be eating--pure
water, unprocessed foods, vegetables and fruit without pesticides, I seem to
require a quart of soda once a week, choose a hamburger and french fries
on weekends, and seem to crave a lot of sugar and carbohydrates. If one
cell within a body were sick, we wouldn't treat it in isolation, because it is
too affected by the other cells to survive on its own. Possibly the human
body is similar to this single cell, and is enclosed within, and dependent
upon, a much larger system for its well being... I also find I eat less
than half the amount of food than I did last year, and need eat only once a
day.

Jill

In a message dated 12/18/2010 6:15:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
chube...@yahoo.com writes:

My thoughts are to not read anything written by mercola. He is a big time
hypster and everything he does is about scaring people into buying only
his products. Every week is a new big revelation of junk you absolutely must
have in order to have a shot at good health.

Better is to read articles written by people who aren't trying to grab the
contents of your wallet.

On Dec 18, 2010, at 9:02 AM, j petras _jpetras...@yahoo.com_
(mailto:jpetras...@yahoo.com) wrote:

I'm forwarding this provocative article for feedback.

I found the article of particular interest for those of us who make our
own CS from distilled water...from any source.

A total dissolved PM reading, on a PPM scale may not indicate any VOCs or
DBPs as the article states (which are dangerous at PPB levels). But, then,
we're not typically swigging glassfulls of CS a day either.

Any thoughts? thanks, and have a happy!!

_http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/12/18/distilled-wat
er-interview.aspx_
(http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/12/18/distilled-water-interview.aspx)

CSBrooks - teeth whitening

2010-12-20 Thread jaxi

Okay, I could swear I recall seeing/reading a DIY teeth whitening using H2O2
and DMSO that Brooks put forward.

Does anyone happen to have a copy of this they could forward to me?

Jaxi

Re: CSDistilled Water....MORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!

2010-12-20 Thread Grace1way

John:
 
For many years I was treated for allergies through NAET (_www.naet.com_ 
(http://www.naet.com) ).  In addition to being treated  for thousands of 
allergies, as I was allergic to most everything I  breathed, touched, or ate 
(most 
people have no idea of the importance of  allergies, the illness that 
results from them, and varieties and numbers of  allergies they may have 
impacting their health), I was treated for many months  alone for my allergies 
to 
various water chemicals.  Many others attending  this same clinic had similar 
problems and tried to drink distilled water to  avoid the allergens in water 
chemicals.  According to the founders of NAET,  these people generally get 
sicker, do not heal from the problems they already  have, and are resistant 
to treatment.  This is the first-hand experience I  have on this issue.
 
Jill
 
 
In a message dated 12/19/2010 8:20:19 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jpetras...@yahoo.com writes:

I appreciate the feedback about Mercola.


With regard to my original question though, does anyone have any  
input/science regarding any danger with distilled water as Mercola  outlines 
it?...any veracity, do you think, to his article? Possibly in  large 
quantities, for 
someone using DW to hydrate and nothing much  else...but for our purposes, 
I kind of doubt it.


Have a happy, 
John  








--- On Sat, 12/18/10, j petras  jpetras...@yahoo.com wrote:


From:  j petras jpetras...@yahoo.com
Subject: Distilled  WaterMORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!
To:  silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, December 18, 2010, 9:02  AM


I'm forwarding this provocative article for feedback.


I found the article of particular interest for those of us  who make our 
own CS from distilled water...from any  source.


A total dissolved PM reading, on a  PPM scale may not  indicate any VOCs or 
DBPs as the article states (which are  dangerous at PPB levels). But, then, 
we're not typically  swigging glassfulls of CS a day either.


Any thoughts? thanks, and have a happy!! 




http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/12/18/distilled-wate
r-interview.aspx

Re: CSDistilled Water....MORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!

2010-12-20 Thread Gene Wolfe


I take them at mealtime.

On 12/20/2010 9:15 AM, MaryAnn Helland wrote:
Hi Gene.  Thank you for that -- I'll give this a try.  Do you have to 
take them an hour or so ahead of eating, or just at mealtime?

MA


*From:* Gene Wolfe ge...@ix.netcom.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Sun, December 19, 2010 7:31:20 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSDistilled WaterMORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!

I take NSI Probiotic 15-35 from Vitacost.com http://vitacost.com/.

Gene

On 12/19/2010 5:58 PM, MaryAnn Helland wrote:

Seriously?  Can you tell me what brand you use?  Thanks Gene.
MA


*From:* Gene Wolfe ge...@ix.netcom.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Sun, December 19, 2010 10:41:05 AM
*Subject:* Re: CSDistilled WaterMORE Toxic than Municipal Tap 
Water?!


MA, I take 2 Probiotic caps with each meal, and it has made a huge 
difference in my digestion. I have had heart burn for years, and it 
is gone.


Gene

On 12/19/2010 8:48 AM, MaryAnn Helland wrote:
Brickey -- what are you doing instead of using those products?  I'm 
off of them too -- but frequently I'm miserable.  :-(

MA


*From:* brick...@aol.com brick...@aol.com mailto:brick...@aol.com

I got off Prilosec, Nexium doing what Mercola said without buying 
anything from him. I was on Hiatal Hernia, GERD medications since 
college days, late 1950's.

Brickey

Re: CSBrooks - teeth whitening

2010-12-20 Thread Craig Chamberlin


Jaxi,

Here it is:

Several times during recent years we have conducted examinations of 
commercial products
designed to whiten teeth. We experienced very limited success. However, 
recently, we completed a somewhat more detailed investigation and were 
able to find a single product which, did, indeed,
display an excellent ability to whiten teeth, quickly---and to do so 
without attendant pain or discomfort...at least such was our results. I 
feel somewhat professionally uncomfortable, even juvenile, in stating 
the name of the productCelebrity Sexy Teeth. In spite of its rather 
sophomoric identifier, this substance did, indeed, produce whitening 
improvements up to 8 shades
among the volunteer populationsometimes within 10 to 12 days. Some 
of the other products had cost prices which would equal over $600.00 for 
a full treatment regime. None of these highly-hyped
products equaled...or even approachedthe effectiveness of the 
Celebrity product. All of the products which exhibited any useful 
effect, contained varying percentages of hydrogen peroxide.
However, and this is the reason for my submitting this email.we were 
able for a cost of mere pennies, to produce a simple mixture that was 
SUBSTANTIALLY more powerful than the Celebrity product (which, by the 
way, was not overly expensive). Our homemade solution was produced in 
light of the fact that we had determined the PRINCIPAL advantage of the 
Celebrity product seemed to lie in its superior ability to rapidly 
affect the deeper regions of the enamel.than did any of its 
competitors. After simple variations in strength ratios between common 
commercial, drugstore hydrogen peroxide, and DMSOwe arrived at an 
acceptable compromise between user comfort---and rapid results. Our most 
acceptable mixture (all parameters considered) turned out to be one of 
approximately 80% (by volume) of 3.5% Hydrogen Peroxide (the standard 
drugstore variety) and 20% DMSO (full strength parent solution). One 
easy way for the novice to mix is to pour about 2 tablespoons o! f H202 
in a very small glass and about 1 teaspoon of DMSO. Caution: As DMSO is 
highly hygroscopic, one should always pour the DMSO into the parent 
diluent. The actual method-of-use of this solution is at the discretion 
of the experimenter. Some persons simply hold about a teaspoon of the 
solution in their mouth and brush their teeth with a toothbrush for 
about 20 seconds. However, many persons are intolerant of the bitterness 
of this percentage of DMSO and/or cannot tolerate the gag-reflex 
sometimes presenting. Therefore, the most acceptable method among a 
majority of our volunteers was to simply use a common Q-Tip swab which 
had been enlarged by adding enough additional cotton to about double the 
sizedip it into the solution and generously paint the front 
surface of the front teeth. Effectiveness was enhanced by keeping the 
top lip above the treated surface for about 2 minutes. It was, also, 
worthwhile to paint the teeth a second time about 60 seconds into ea! ch 
protocol. A second 2 minute application became standard procedure for 
the voluteers during the course of this research investigation.
Some of the volunteers utilized stronger H202 solutions (up to 6%) and 
some employed much stronger DMSO fractions (+20%). However, the one 
outlined above proved to be most effective.and was DEFINITELY 
SUPERIOR to the commercial Celebrity product-which was the only one 
of the commercial variety to yield acceptable results during our 
investigations.
None of the volunteers experienced any untoward side-effects, 
whatsoever, while using the paint on method just outlined. A majority 
of our participants enjoyed quite rapid whitening and in shorter 
time-spans than with the Celebrity product. Incidentlyat about 
1/50th the cost.

I hope some of the list membership will find this information of value.
Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

jaxi wrote:
Okay, I could swear I recall seeing/reading a DIY teeth whitening 
using H2O2 and DMSO that Brooks put forward.
 
Does anyone happen to have a copy of this they could forward to me?
 
Jaxi



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CSsolubility of silver oxide?

Wikipedia lists the solubility of silver oxide as 25PPM.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_oxide

I am wondering how this reconciles with talk on this list of silver
hydroxide and silver oxide each having a solubility of about 13ppm,
for a total of 26PPM (roughly the same as 25PPM?).  I wonder if
wikipedia is using the word silver oxide to encompass what we mean by
both silver hydroxide and silver oxide together?

For example, if you put silveroxide in water, say its solubility was
found to be 26PPM
Then say you put silver hydroxide in some water, and say its
solubility was also found to be 26PPM.
(is this what we would actually find?)

But this wouldn't say what is actually in the solution at the end.  It
only says what you put into the solution.  Am I right to think that
doing either of those two experiments would result in a solution that
had the same stuff in it, even though different stuff went in
initially?

Okay, now I confused myself,
~David


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Re: CSDistilled Water....MORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!

Great -- thanks very much.  I'll order some and give it a try -- and I'll let 
ya 
know how this works out.
MA





From: Gene Wolfe ge...@ix.netcom.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 3:00:44 PM
Subject: Re: CSDistilled WaterMORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!

I take them at mealtime.

On 12/20/2010 9:15 AM, MaryAnn Helland wrote: 
Hi Gene.  Thank you for that -- I'll give this a try.  Do you have to take them 
an hour or so ahead of eating, or just at mealtime?
MA





From: Gene Wolfe ge...@ix.netcom.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 7:31:20 PM
Subject: Re: CSDistilled WaterMORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!

I take NSI Probiotic 15-35 from Vitacost.com.

Gene

On 12/19/2010 5:58 PM, MaryAnn Helland wrote: 
Seriously?  Can you tell me what brand you use?  Thanks Gene.
MA





From: Gene Wolfe ge...@ix.netcom.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 10:41:05 AM
Subject: Re: CSDistilled WaterMORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!

MA, I take 2 Probiotic caps with each meal, and it has made a huge difference 
in 
my digestion. I have had heart burn for years, and it is gone.

Gene

On 12/19/2010 8:48 AM, MaryAnn Helland wrote: 
Brickey -- what are you doing instead of using those products?  I'm off of 
them 
too -- but frequently I'm miserable.  :-(
MA





From: brick...@aol.com brick...@aol.com

I got off Prilosec, Nexium doing what Mercola said without buying anything 
from 
him. I was on Hiatal Hernia, GERD medications since college days, late 
1950's. 
Brickey

Re: CSsolubility of silver oxide?

Also, when we say that that in theory, EIS can reach a PPM of 26,
don't we actually mean:

In theory the PPM of dissolved silver ions can reach 26PPM, and there
may be some additional PPM contributed by particles of silver, so in
theory EIS can reach slightly more than 26 PPM.

?

Thanks,
~David

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:43 PM, David AuBuchon
aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote:
 Wikipedia lists the solubility of silver oxide as 25PPM.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_oxide

 I am wondering how this reconciles with talk on this list of silver
 hydroxide and silver oxide each having a solubility of about 13ppm,
 for a total of 26PPM (roughly the same as 25PPM?).  I wonder if
 wikipedia is using the word silver oxide to encompass what we mean by
 both silver hydroxide and silver oxide together?

 For example, if you put silveroxide in water, say its solubility was
 found to be 26PPM
 Then say you put silver hydroxide in some water, and say its
 solubility was also found to be 26PPM.
 (is this what we would actually find?)

 But this wouldn't say what is actually in the solution at the end.  It
 only says what you put into the solution.  Am I right to think that
 doing either of those two experiments would result in a solution that
 had the same stuff in it, even though different stuff went in
 initially?

 Okay, now I confused myself,
 ~David


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2010-12-20 Thread adamrlloyd

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Today's Topics:
  CSLate Breaking News: one day to st  [ Nenah Sylver nenahsyl...@cox.net ]
  Re: CSDistilled WaterMORE Toxic  [ grace1...@aol.com ]
  CSBrooks - teeth whitening   [ jaxi jaxi.sch...@gmail.com ]
  Re: CSDistilled WaterMORE Toxic  [ grace1...@aol.com ]
  Re: CSDistilled WaterMORE Toxic  [ Gene Wolfe ge...@ix.netcom.com ]
  Re: CSBrooks - teeth whitening   [ Craig Chamberlin craigs...@craigcc ]
  CSsolubility of silver oxide?[ David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmai ]

CSHIV testimonial question

There is a testimonial on the silvermedicine site about an injection
of H2O2 and CS combo.  What is interesting about this is that so
little CS was used.  I wonder if something like this could help people
with lyme and company (i.e. me)?  I researched a lot into IV CS and
found that people needed like 8oz at a time IV.  I am wondering if the
peroxide really made the difference in this person's treatment?  There
wasn't an email address otherwise I would have contacted him.  I hear
that IV CS really stings badly, so 2ml would be wa preferable to
8oz, and a lot quicker and cheaper.

After a legal document had been signed relieving him of any
responsibility of the outcome of the undertaking the treatment began.
It was calculated to inject 2mls H2O2 at 6% and 2mls of colloidal
silver, produced by Silver Colloid Australia Pty Ltd (which the
Professor thoroughly checked) three times weekly for one month.

Thanks,
~David


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CSCS: L-Glutathione Lipo

2010-12-20 Thread Harold MacDonald

I  use the same procedure for Lipo L-glutathione as Lipo -C.
Technique:- 
Jewelry Cleaner
3 tablespoons of Lecithin in one[1] cup DW.
Let sit until all Lecithin is into solution.
1 tablespoon of L-Glutathione powder in  one half cup [1/2] of DW.
Same mixing procedure as for Lipo-C

Harold

CSSonic jewelry cleaner for Lipo making

2010-12-20 Thread Shar

Need some advice:

I found an unused sonic jewelry cleaner at a mostly second hand shop.  It
has two removable  filter trays side by side and the container below them is
plastic.  Is plastic okay or does it have to be stainless steel?  Also this
runs on 3 AAA batteries, has no AC plug, is this okay, or should it be AC?

Sharlene

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2010-12-20 Thread Dave Darrin

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 silver-digest DigestVolume 2010 : Issue 936

 Today's Topics:
  CSLate Breaking News: one day to st  [ Nenah Sylver 
 nenahsyl...@cox.net ]
  Re: CSDistilled WaterMORE Toxic  [ grace1...@aol.com ]
  CSBrooks - teeth whitening   [ jaxi jaxi.sch...@gmail.com ]
  Re: CSDistilled WaterMORE Toxic  [ grace1...@aol.com ]
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  Re: CSBrooks - teeth whitening   [ Craig Chamberlin
 craigs...@craigcc ]
  CSsolubility of silver oxide?[ David AuBuchon
 aubuchon.da...@gmai ]

CSH202 all kinds here

2010-12-20 Thread Tel Tofflemire

http://www.h2o2-4u.com/grades.html 

This is a independent company, I have bought from them once, good information 
on 
H2O2Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.

Re: CSDistilled Water....MORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!

2010-12-20 Thread Bruce Anderson


Hi, MA:
I use an about(abt) measurement;).
abt one Tablespoon each of honey and apple cider vinegar in abt 8ozs. of 
water.
The honey dissolves quicker if the water is heated, like hot tea.  But I 
prefer to stir longer and use refrigerator cold water.  Tap water can be 
used but I like bottled spring water.
I drink mine a few minutes before bed, but if I need it, anytime.  After 
some months, I only drink it when I feel I need it.  I use to take 20mg. 
of Omeprazole twice a day.  Now I'm free to eat anything I want without 
fear of reflux.

I hope it works as well for you.
Bruce A.

On 12/20/2010 9:04 AM, MaryAnn Helland wrote:
Hi Bruce.  Tell me more please -- how much honey and how much and what 
kind of vinegar in how much water?  When do you drink it?  Before 
meals?  Every meal?  Details -- I need details!!!  :-D   Thanks very much.

MA


*From:* Bruce Anderson bande65...@btes.tv
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*Sent:* Sun, December 19, 2010 8:13:03 PM
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Ever try honey  vinegar in water?  It got rid of my GURD and acid reflux.
Bruce A.

On 12/19/2010 7:13 PM, MaryAnn Helland wrote:

Oh boy.  :-(
Well -- I'm not a big sweet eater, so that's no problem.  If I 
stopped eating after 5:30, I'd never have dinner again -- we don't 
have dinner until 7:00-8:00 at night.  However, I usually don't go to 
bed until 11:30, so the stomach _should_ be clear -- but the issues 
frequently begin as soon as I lay down.
When do you take the whole flax seeds?  How do they stop food from 
staying in your stomach?
When you say that you brush your teeth with EIS and swallow -- do you 
do that before going to bed?  Do you think this has some bearing on 
the issue?

Thanks for answering my questions.
MA


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Water?!


In a message dated 12/19/2010 6:49:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
marmar...@bellsouth.net writes:


what are you doing instead of using those products?  I'm off of
them too -- but frequently I'm miserable.  :-(

I limit sweets as they seem to cause heartburn stop eating after 
about 5:30 and quit drinking even water after 8 PM. So when I go to 
bed  everything is digested. I also take 2 1/2 tablespoons of whole 
flax seeds so food will not stay in my stomach. When I quit Prilosec 
I found what foods cause problems, most of the foods which I crave. I 
found I can try some at lunch where they have time to be digested 
before bed. I brush my teeth with EIS and swallow.

Brickey

Re: CSsolubility of silver oxide?

Several years ago when Marshall was talking about silver oxide, silver
hydroxide, and H2O2, I suggested that we could take enough silver
oxide by weight mixed with distilled water to make about 25ppm
solution and combine them with some H2O2.  If his theories were
correct it should make colloidal silver which is identical to what we
make with electricity (EIS) when we add the H2O2 a few days after
brewing.

I wish someone with access to silver oxide powder would test it out.

Dan

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:43 PM, David AuBuchon
aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote:
 Wikipedia lists the solubility of silver oxide as 25PPM.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_oxide

 I am wondering how this reconciles with talk on this list of silver
 hydroxide and silver oxide each having a solubility of about 13ppm,
 for a total of 26PPM (roughly the same as 25PPM?).  I wonder if
 wikipedia is using the word silver oxide to encompass what we mean by
 both silver hydroxide and silver oxide together?

 For example, if you put silveroxide in water, say its solubility was
 found to be 26PPM
 Then say you put silver hydroxide in some water, and say its
 solubility was also found to be 26PPM.
 (is this what we would actually find?)

 But this wouldn't say what is actually in the solution at the end.  It
 only says what you put into the solution.  Am I right to think that
 doing either of those two experiments would result in a solution that
 had the same stuff in it, even though different stuff went in
 initially?

 Okay, now I confused myself,
 ~David


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Re: CSCS: L-Glutathione Lipo

What is your source for the L-glutathione powder?

Dan


On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Harold MacDonald har...@telus.net wrote:
 I  use the same procedure for Lipo L-glutathione as Lipo -C.
 Technique:-
 Jewelry Cleaner
 3 tablespoons of Lecithin in one[1] cup DW.
 Let sit until all Lecithin is into solution.
 1 tablespoon of L-Glutathione powder in  one half cup [1/2] of DW.
 Same mixing procedure as for Lipo-C

 Harold



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RE: CSsolubility of silver oxide?

2010-12-20 Thread Neville Munn


David, 
 
PPM refers to mg of silver {in total} per litre of water as established under 
laboratory analysis does it not?
 
If discussing - PPM of dissolved silver ions - then that would be referred to 
as the 'Soluble Ag' component or content.
 
PPM content would be the total amount of Ag present in both ionic and 
particulate form in that solution would it not?
 
N.
 
 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:11:29 -0800
 Subject: Re: CSsolubility of silver oxide?
 From: aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 
 Also, when we say that that in theory, EIS can reach a PPM of 26,
 don't we actually mean:
 
 In theory the PPM of dissolved silver ions can reach 26PPM, and there
 may be some additional PPM contributed by particles of silver, so in
 theory EIS can reach slightly more than 26 PPM.
 
 ?
 
 Thanks,
 ~David
 
 On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:43 PM, David AuBuchon
 aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote:
  Wikipedia lists the solubility of silver oxide as 25PPM.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_oxide
 
  I am wondering how this reconciles with talk on this list of silver
  hydroxide and silver oxide each having a solubility of about 13ppm,
  for a total of 26PPM (roughly the same as 25PPM?).  I wonder if
  wikipedia is using the word silver oxide to encompass what we mean by
  both silver hydroxide and silver oxide together?
 
  For example, if you put silveroxide in water, say its solubility was
  found to be 26PPM
  Then say you put silver hydroxide in some water, and say its
  solubility was also found to be 26PPM.
  (is this what we would actually find?)
 
  But this wouldn't say what is actually in the solution at the end.  It
  only says what you put into the solution.  Am I right to think that
  doing either of those two experiments would result in a solution that
  had the same stuff in it, even though different stuff went in
  initially?
 
  Okay, now I confused myself,
  ~David
 
 
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Re: CSsolubility of silver oxide?

Hi Dan,

Funny, I ran into this post on a totally dead CS forum, that I think
describes how to do exactly what you are talking about. It sounds like
the guys done it before.  I bet lots of folk here recognize the name
of the poster.  He says to save the sludge from your CS cathode and
add peroxide to that to make high density EIS (i am guessing it can go
beyond 26 ppm?).  I wonder what exact form the silver in the sludge is
in?

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/message/3798

~David

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote:
 Several years ago when Marshall was talking about silver oxide, silver
 hydroxide, and H2O2, I suggested that we could take enough silver
 oxide by weight mixed with distilled water to make about 25ppm
 solution and combine them with some H2O2.  If his theories were
 correct it should make colloidal silver which is identical to what we
 make with electricity (EIS) when we add the H2O2 a few days after
 brewing.

 I wish someone with access to silver oxide powder would test it out.

 Dan


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Re: CSHIV testimonial question

I'd be really careful about this.  I don't think it is advisable to
inject 3 or 6% H2O2 straight like this, even if it is only 2cc.

Dr. William Campbell Douglass' book on Hydrogen Peroxide has case
studies where they were giving repeated doses of 250ml of .0375% for
chronic conditions and .15% up to .3% for acute conditions.  So, the
total H2O2 is probably more, but the concentration is much more
diluted.

Dan

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:01 PM, David AuBuchon
aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote:
 There is a testimonial on the silvermedicine site about an injection
 of H2O2 and CS combo.  What is interesting about this is that so
 little CS was used.  I wonder if something like this could help people
 with lyme and company (i.e. me)?  I researched a lot into IV CS and
 found that people needed like 8oz at a time IV.  I am wondering if the
 peroxide really made the difference in this person's treatment?  There
 wasn't an email address otherwise I would have contacted him.  I hear
 that IV CS really stings badly, so 2ml would be wa preferable to
 8oz, and a lot quicker and cheaper.

 After a legal document had been signed relieving him of any
 responsibility of the outcome of the undertaking the treatment began.
 It was calculated to inject 2mls H2O2 at 6% and 2mls of colloidal
 silver, produced by Silver Colloid Australia Pty Ltd (which the
 Professor thoroughly checked) three times weekly for one month.

 Thanks,
 ~David


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Re: CSsolubility of silver oxide?

Hi Neville,

I think PPM might mean whatever you define it to mean.  I was trying
to invent a term that accounts for the mass of silver in just the
ionic form.  So say for example silver oxide has solubility of 26
mg/liter.  Then in theory the soluble Ag content of EIS can reach 26
mg/liter.  In addition to this, there can also be some silver in
particles.  So in theory, I am thinking that means that EIS could have
higher than 26PPM total (both ions and particles) while still having
good particle size (if made my some magical process of electrolysis)
=)

~David


On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote:
 David,

 PPM refers to mg of silver {in total} per litre of water as established
 under laboratory analysis does it not?

 If discussing - PPM of dissolved silver ions - then that would be referred
 to as the 'Soluble Ag' component or content.

 PPM content would be the total amount of Ag present in both ionic and
 particulate form in that solution would it not?

 N.



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Re: CSHIV testimonial question

I knew a quack that gave lots of IV peroxide.  I might ask him what
concentration he used next time I get a chance.  I remember it was 2
cc's.

People might be interested to see this study on nanosilver and HIV:
http://www.jnanobiotechnology.com/content/3/1/6

It says that only nanoparticles of silver from 1 to 10 nm in size
attach to the virus in vitro.  That may explain hits and misses with
HIV patients and CS (if there are hits and misses) depending on the
product used.  That is also if you believe the ions don't do anything
to HIV, and it is only the particles.

~David

~David

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'd be really careful about this.  I don't think it is advisable to
 inject 3 or 6% H2O2 straight like this, even if it is only 2cc.

 Dr. William Campbell Douglass' book on Hydrogen Peroxide has case
 studies where they were giving repeated doses of 250ml of .0375% for
 chronic conditions and .15% up to .3% for acute conditions.  So, the
 total H2O2 is probably more, but the concentration is much more
 diluted.



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Re: CSBrooks - teeth whitening

2010-12-20 Thread jaxi

Thank you that is just the posting I was looking for and thought I had
saved.

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Craig Chamberlin 
craigs...@craigcchamberlin.com wrote:

 Jaxi,

 Here it is:

 Several times during recent years we have conducted examinations of
 commercial products
 designed to whiten teeth. We experienced very limited success. However,
 recently, we completed a somewhat more detailed investigation and were able
 to find a single product which, did, indeed,
 display an excellent ability to whiten teeth, quickly---and to do so
 without attendant pain or discomfort...at least such was our results. I feel
 somewhat professionally uncomfortable, even juvenile, in stating the name of
 the productCelebrity Sexy Teeth. In spite of its rather sophomoric
 identifier, this substance did, indeed, produce whitening improvements up to
 8 shades
 among the volunteer populationsometimes within 10 to 12 days. Some of
 the other products had cost prices which would equal over $600.00 for a full
 treatment regime. None of these highly-hyped
 products equaled...or even approachedthe effectiveness of the Celebrity
 product. All of the products which exhibited any useful effect, contained
 varying percentages of hydrogen peroxide.
 However, and this is the reason for my submitting this email.we were
 able for a cost of mere pennies, to produce a simple mixture that was
 SUBSTANTIALLY more powerful than the Celebrity product (which, by the way,
 was not overly expensive). Our homemade solution was produced in light of
 the fact that we had determined the PRINCIPAL advantage of the Celebrity
 product seemed to lie in its superior ability to rapidly affect the deeper
 regions of the enamel.than did any of its competitors. After simple
 variations in strength ratios between common commercial, drugstore hydrogen
 peroxide, and DMSOwe arrived at an acceptable compromise between user
 comfort---and rapid results. Our most acceptable mixture (all parameters
 considered) turned out to be one of approximately 80% (by volume) of 3.5%
 Hydrogen Peroxide (the standard drugstore variety) and 20% DMSO (full
 strength parent solution). One easy way for the novice to mix is to pour
 about 2 tablespoons o! f H202 in a very small glass and about 1 teaspoon of
 DMSO. Caution: As DMSO is highly hygroscopic, one should always pour the
 DMSO into the parent diluent. The actual method-of-use of this solution is
 at the discretion of the experimenter. Some persons simply hold about a
 teaspoon of the solution in their mouth and brush their teeth with a
 toothbrush for about 20 seconds. However, many persons are intolerant of the
 bitterness of this percentage of DMSO and/or cannot tolerate the gag-reflex
 sometimes presenting. Therefore, the most acceptable method among a majority
 of our volunteers was to simply use a common Q-Tip swab which had been
 enlarged by adding enough additional cotton to about double the sizedip
 it into the solution and generously paint the front surface of the front
 teeth. Effectiveness was enhanced by keeping the top lip above the treated
 surface for about 2 minutes. It was, also, worthwhile to paint the teeth a
 second time about 60 seconds into ea! ch protocol. A second 2 minute
 application became standard procedure for the voluteers during the course of
 this research investigation.
 Some of the volunteers utilized stronger H202 solutions (up to 6%) and some
 employed much stronger DMSO fractions (+20%). However, the one outlined
 above proved to be most effective.and was DEFINITELY SUPERIOR to the
 commercial Celebrity product-which was the only one of the commercial
 variety to yield acceptable results during our investigations.
 None of the volunteers experienced any untoward side-effects, whatsoever,
 while using the paint on method just outlined. A majority of our
 participants enjoyed quite rapid whitening and in shorter time-spans than
 with the Celebrity product. Incidentlyat about 1/50th the cost.
 I hope some of the list membership will find this information of value.
 Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.


 jaxi wrote:

 Okay, I could swear I recall seeing/reading a DIY teeth whitening using
 H2O2 and DMSO that Brooks put forward.
  Does anyone happen to have a copy of this they could forward to me?
  Jaxi



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CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #937

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silver-digest DigestVolume 2010 : Issue 937

Today's Topics:
  Re: CSDistilled WaterMORE Toxic  [ MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsout ]
  Re: CSsolubility of silver oxide?[ David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmai ]
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Re: CSsolubility of silver oxide?

Yes, I recognize Karl's name.  He is very extreme and is into
uncontrolled, massively high ppm silver products and uses large
amounts of peroxide as well.

I had in mind a more moderate amount of Hydrogen Peroxide and a known
amount of silver oxide in order to make something equivalent to our CS
or EIS product without using electrolysis.

Dan

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:49 PM, David AuBuchon
aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Dan,

 Funny, I ran into this post on a totally dead CS forum, that I think
 describes how to do exactly what you are talking about. It sounds like
 the guys done it before.  I bet lots of folk here recognize the name
 of the poster.  He says to save the sludge from your CS cathode and
 add peroxide to that to make high density EIS (i am guessing it can go
 beyond 26 ppm?).  I wonder what exact form the silver in the sludge is
 in?

 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/message/3798

 ~David

 On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote:
 Several years ago when Marshall was talking about silver oxide, silver
 hydroxide, and H2O2, I suggested that we could take enough silver
 oxide by weight mixed with distilled water to make about 25ppm
 solution and combine them with some H2O2.  If his theories were
 correct it should make colloidal silver which is identical to what we
 make with electricity (EIS) when we add the H2O2 a few days after
 brewing.

 I wish someone with access to silver oxide powder would test it out.

 Dan


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Re: CSsolubility of silver oxide?

An interesting note is that Frank Key has some kill studies that used
mesosilver at both 20PPM and 75PPM:

http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/biostudies.html

I wonder how the particle size and ratio differ.  Ya, Karl has a
website where he offers to sell samples of high density colloidal
silver (not EIS).

I would honestly try both high density EIS and CS at least once if I
had samples.  My observation has been that CS is very effective across
the board, but people peak at some point when battling serious
infection.  Then if they go IV, they make progress again.  So I would
definitely say CS is limited by its ability to reach the needed places
in the needed concentrations.

I also remember seeing some in vitro kill studies that indicated that
higher PPM EIS was more than just proportionally more effective than
lower PPM EIS.  I'd have to look to find it again.  Like the time to
kill wasn't just a linear relationship versus PPM.  It was curved.

Anyway, what I am getting at, is that a volume of say, 10PPM CS may
actual be more effective than twice the volume of 5PPM CS.  And this
might get much more pronounced at higher PPMS.  So like if you took 1
ounce of 320PPM EIS, that it might be much more effective than 32
ounces of 10 PPM EIS.  Doing this would ingest the same total amount
of silver.  Though this may not carry the same risk of argyria if
taken this way.

~David

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 Yes, I recognize Karl's name.  He is very extreme and is into
 uncontrolled, massively high ppm silver products and uses large
 amounts of peroxide as well.

 I had in mind a more moderate amount of Hydrogen Peroxide and a known
 amount of silver oxide in order to make something equivalent to our CS
 or EIS product without using electrolysis.


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Re: CSDistilled Water....MORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!

2010-12-20 Thread Brickeyk

 
In a message dated 12/19/2010 4:13:43 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
marmar...@bellsouth.net writes:

I  usually don't go to bed until 11:30, so the stomach should be clear --  
but the issues frequently begin as soon as I lay down


Food will stay in my stomach for three days or more. I also have Gout and  
my DR would say you are drinking again. I heard that fruit will turn into  
alcohol in your stomach if it isn't digested. A late supper and  I am in  
trouble digesting the food before bedtime. I need 5 hours after eating for food 
 to clear out of my stomach. After dinner I tend to watch TV and not  
exercise to help clear out the food.
 
 
When do you take the whole flax seeds?  How do they stop food from  staying 
in your stomach?
I take them at breakfast usually I put them in with my coffee. They act  
like fiber, Metamucil, but I think even better. Try it and I am sure you will 
be  surprised with the amount of your next bowel movement.
 
When you say that you brush your teeth with EIS and swallow -- do you do  
that before going to bed?  Do you think this has some bearing on the  issue?
I said I wouldn't even drink water after 8 PM, EIS is the exception. A  
jigger of EIS does not seem to upset my stomach like even water does.
 I also take my ground up cabbage pro biotic each morning. I  grind a head 
of cabbage and let it set for 72 hours in the garage then drain the  liquid 
and take two tablespoons also in my coffee per day. I also add some  
liposomal C to my coffee.
Brickey

Re: CSDistilled Water....MORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!

Wow!  Well that sounds easy enough -- and I have all the *ingredients* right 
here in the house.  Thank you Bruce -- I appreciate it.
MA

From: Bruce Anderson bande65...@btes.tv
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 8:35:57 PM
Subject: Re: CSDistilled WaterMORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!

Hi, MA:
I use an about(abt) measurement;).
abt one Tablespoon each of honey and apple cider vinegar in abt 8ozs. of water.
The honey dissolves quicker if the water is heated, like hot tea.  But I prefer 
to stir longer and use refrigerator cold water.  Tap water can be used but I 
like bottled spring water.
I drink mine a few minutes before bed, but if I need it, anytime.  After some 
months, I only drink it when I feel I need it.  I use to take 20mg. of 
Omeprazole twice a day.  Now I'm free to eat anything I want without fear of 
reflux.
I hope it works as well for you.
Bruce A.

On 12/20/2010 9:04 AM, MaryAnn Helland wrote: 
Hi Bruce.  Tell me more please -- how much honey and how much and what kind of 
vinegar in how much water?  When do you drink it?  Before meals?  Every meal?  
Details -- I need details!!!  :-D   Thanks very much.
MA

From: Bruce Anderson bande65...@btes.tv
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 8:13:03 PM
Subject: Re: CSDistilled WaterMORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!

Ever try honey  vinegar in water?  It got rid of my GURD and acid reflux.
Bruce A.

On 12/19/2010 7:13 PM, MaryAnn Helland wrote: 
Oh boy.  :-(

Well -- I'm not a big sweet eater, so that's no problem.  If I stopped eating 
after 5:30, I'd never have dinner again -- we don't have dinner until 
7:00-8:00 
at night.  However, I usually don't go to bed until 11:30, so the stomach 
should 
be clear -- but the issues frequently begin as soon as I lay down.

When do you take the whole flax seeds?  How do they stop food from staying in 
your stomach?

When you say that you brush your teeth with EIS and swallow -- do you do that 
before going to bed?  Do you think this has some bearing on the issue?

Thanks for answering my questions.
MA

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Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 4:48:18 PM
Subject: Re: CSDistilled WaterMORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!

In a message dated 12/19/2010 6:49:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
marmar...@bellsouth.net writes:
what are you doing instead of using those products?  I'm off of them too -- 
but 
frequently I'm miserable.  :-(
I limit sweets as they seem to cause heartburn stop eating after about 5:30 
and 
quit drinking even water after 8 PM. So when I go to bed  everything is 
digested. I also take 2 1/2 tablespoons of whole flax seeds so food will not 
stay in my stomach. When I quit Prilosec I found what foods cause problems, 
most 
of the foods which I crave. I found I can try some at lunch where they have 
time 
to be digested before bed. I brush my teeth with EIS and swallow.
Brickey

Re: CSDistilled Water....MORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!