RE: CS>some info on BYU kill study

[Neville Munn]

This is what I would have said too.
 
Following on from this I would say a product ingested ASAP after production 
will be high in Ag+ ions whereas a product that has been sitting for a time 
will have lost a percentage of those positively charged ions to ionic clusters 
or particles which don't have a positive electrical charge, and it would be 
*this* type solution that would have been used for testing purposes I would 
assume.  As with most published material I've found, this part is never stated, 
and I am of the belief the difference in solutions used for testing purposes 
matters, and that's why there is so much written about 'colloidal silver' and 
so little about the stuff we make because laboratories etc in their testing 
procedures don't use a solution immediately after it's produced. 
 
This leads me to two questions: 
(1) The action, or interaction, of acids peroxides and ammonias with silver ion 
clusters within the body?  Do any/all or a combination of each, break down 
those clusters and the positively charged ion is re-activated?
 
(2) What percentage of those Ag+ ions *are* actually lost in transit...All, or 
only a percentage, leaving some to continue on their journey through the system 
unchanged, or praps changed into something else?  I believe acids form the 
chloride, but what about peroxides and ammonias?  What do they form?
 
And praps a question (3)...Do *all* particles convert to chloride?  Or do some 
pass on through?  Maybe it depends on quantity or volume consumed at the time 
{not forgetting the concentration level of Ag}?  Remembering that these so 
called particles are ionic clusters, which leads me to question (4)...Do ionic 
clusters actually form an irretrievable solid silver particle, or can they in 
fact be broken down again?
 
Answers to some of the above may be in the public domain.  But what *type* of 
product would they have been referring to?  'Colloidal silver' is not specific 
enough for me.
 
Don't mind me, it's just my rambling thoughts.
 
N.
 
> From: bbane...@earthlink.net
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>some info on BYU kill study
> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 21:10:46 -0800
> 
> My guess is silver ions don't make it into the intestinal tract, and silver 
> particles, if they do, are converted to silver chloride by the time they hit 
> the intestines. Silver chloride doesn't have the killing power of pure 
> silver.
> 
> Bob
> - Original Message - 
> From: "David AuBuchon" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 4:47 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>some info on BYU kill study
> 
> 
> And some ASAP studies citing 16PPM EIS does NOT destroy probiotics.
> Going to have to give this one a thorough read and see if it is legit:
> http://www.nursedetective.com/market/safetysummary.pdf
> 
> ~David
> http://scientificliving.net/
> 
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM, David AuBuchon
>  wrote:
> > A list of 54 organisms that were tested:
> >
> > http://lifesilver.com/brigham.pdf
> >
> > ~David
> > http://scientificliving.net/
> >
> >
> 

CS>Book on CS?

[Vigilius Haufniensis]

Is there a good definitive book on CS?  Or some central source that is 
considered authoritative?  Thanks.



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Re: CS>some info on BYU kill study

[Bob Banever]

My guess is silver ions don't make it into the intestinal tract, and silver 
particles, if they do, are converted to silver chloride by the time they hit 
the intestines.  Silver chloride doesn't have the killing power of pure 
silver.


Bob
- Original Message - 
From: "David AuBuchon" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: CS>some info on BYU kill study


And some ASAP studies citing 16PPM EIS does NOT destroy probiotics.
Going to have to give this one a thorough read and see if it is legit:
http://www.nursedetective.com/market/safetysummary.pdf

~David
http://scientificliving.net/

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM, David AuBuchon
 wrote:

A list of 54 organisms that were tested:

http://lifesilver.com/brigham.pdf

~David
http://scientificliving.net/


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Re: CS>some info on BYU kill study

[David AuBuchon]

The product is basically ASAP colloidal silver.  It is plain old EIS
and they make it at various PPM's.  They also have it sold under like
5 different labels I have run into so far.  But it is EIS.

I was assuming that EIS would have an easier time killing the
probiotics in a petri, rather than in the body.  Just like EIS kills
everything in vitro, but you don't expect it to kill everything in
vivo.  So if it doesn't kill it in vitro, then there is even less
chance of it killing it in vivo.

~David

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Neville Munn  wrote:
> Not being a biological chemist or whatever I wonder how could that be so?
> Due to biological complexities within the body I would have thought tests in
> vivo would be more accurate/applicable to those of a test tube or petri
> dish?  There would be many, many actions, reactions, and
> interactions occurring within the body to/with any substance ingested.
>
> I assume you're referring to our intestinal flora when probiotics are spoken
> of?  In which case there would need to be some literature available
> indicating 'how much', and in 'what form', or 'what type' that silver
> solution is/was in when ingested indicating the destruction of our
> beneficial flora?
>
> Can't speak for the product referred to in that article, but I seriously
> doubt what we make in the home will have much effect on our beneficial
> flora.  Unless praps one were to ingest 10 litres a day for an extended
> number of days?  But even then, I haven't found any articles relating to
> 'how much' of home made ionic/colloidal silver would need to be ingested
> before killing our flora?  Plenty of assumptions, anecdotes, and
> 'recommendations' from mainstream authorities for the amount of 'colloidal
> silver?' being ingested, but nothing referring to the product we make in the
> home I don't think?
>
> What's publicised and sold over the counter as 'colloidal silver?' compared
> to what we make in the kitchen using LVDC and DW are like chalk and cheese
> to me.
>
> The term 'Colloidal Silver' is a very, very large broom, and sweeps up
> *anything* containing the slightest sniff of silver.  Even our TGA couldn't
> supply me infomation relating to the stuff we produce, by the methods we
> produce it...because they simply haven't got any!  They waffle on about some
> shiela who turned blue or whatever - but do you think I can find a picture
> of that woman on their website...NO I couldn't!  And we all know *who* that
> woman was they reference, and *why* they don't supply a photo, or any other
> information about her.
>
> It's all mostly deception and misleading information to suit a particular
> agenda to me David, all put out there for those of us who are involved with
> this stuff to choose to believe 'this' or 'that'... without them actually
> providing any credible information.  I apply that same philosophy to
> marketers/promotors as well.
>
> Oops, think I might have digressed here a tad.
>
> N.
>
>
> 
> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:23:07 -0800
> Subject: Re: CS>some info on BYU kill study
> From: aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>
> Also note that getting in vitro results that dont kill probiotics is
> actually more impressive than getting it in vivo.
>
> ~David
>
>


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RE: CS>some info on BYU kill study

[Neville Munn]

Not being a biological chemist or whatever I wonder how could that be so?  Due 
to biological complexities within the body I would have thought tests in vivo 
would be more accurate/applicable to those of a test tube or petri dish?  There 
would be many, many actions, reactions, and interactions occurring within the 
body to/with any substance ingested.
 
I assume you're referring to our intestinal flora when probiotics are spoken 
of?  In which case there would need to be some literature available indicating 
'how much', and in 'what form', or 'what type' that silver solution is/was in 
when ingested indicating the destruction of our beneficial flora?
 
Can't speak for the product referred to in that article, but I seriously doubt 
what we make in the home will have much effect on our beneficial flora.  Unless 
praps one were to ingest 10 litres a day for an extended number of days?  But 
even then, I haven't found any articles relating to 'how much' of home made 
ionic/colloidal silver would need to be ingested before killing our flora?  
Plenty of assumptions, anecdotes, and 'recommendations' from mainstream 
authorities for the amount of 'colloidal silver?' being ingested, but nothing 
referring to the product we make in the home I don't think?
 
What's publicised and sold over the counter as 'colloidal silver?' compared to 
what we make in the kitchen using LVDC and DW are like chalk and cheese to me.
 
The term 'Colloidal Silver' is a very, very large broom, and sweeps up 
*anything* containing the slightest sniff of silver.  Even our TGA couldn't 
supply me infomation relating to the stuff we produce, by the methods we 
produce it...because they simply haven't got any!  They waffle on about some 
shiela who turned blue or whatever - but do you think I can find a picture of 
that woman on their website...NO I couldn't!  And we all know *who* that woman 
was they reference, and *why* they don't supply a photo, or any other 
information about her.
 
It's all mostly deception and misleading information to suit a particular 
agenda to me David, all put out there for those of us who are involved with 
this stuff to choose to believe 'this' or 'that'... without them actually 
providing any credible information.  I apply that same philosophy to 
marketers/promotors as well.
 
Oops, think I might have digressed here a tad.
 
N.
 



Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:23:07 -0800
Subject: Re: CS>some info on BYU kill study
From: aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Also note that getting in vitro results that dont kill probiotics is actually 
more impressive than getting it in vivo.

~David

  

Re: CS>some info on BYU kill study

[David AuBuchon]

Here is a link to the first of the two studies they list on EIS on
probiotics:
http://www.hempusa.org/ABL/Safety_Studies/Selective%20Antimicrobial%20Activity%20of%20ASAP-AGX-32%20Silver%20Solution%20against%20Probiotics%20%28Dr.%20Ron%20Leavitt%29.pdf

They say in this study that the methods used in the other study weren't all
that great, so they endeavored to do a better study.  This really does seem
to show that probiotics are more resistant to EIS than pathogens- especially
bifidobacteria, which aren't killed by 16PPM EIS!  As far as I can tell,
this looks legit, unless we think the authors are just plain dishonest.

~David
http://scientificliving.net/


On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:23 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

> Also note that getting in vitro results that dont kill probiotics is
> actually more impressive than getting it in vivo.
>
> ~David
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:08 PM, David AuBuchon 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Neville,
>>
>> I know these people have hype all over the web in hidden nooks and
>> crannies.  Their product(s) are all 10nm EIS of different PPMs.  What I was
>> referring to, was a specific reference in the study that claimed they did in
>> vitro experiments that did not kill a specific probiotic.  If true, that
>> would be a first to me.  I haven't gotten to it yet, but will soon.
>>
>> Though I have to say, I have gathered a number of IN VIVO results that
>> these guys have published in strange journals or just claimed in patents.  I
>> will post a collection of those in the future.  These results are all
>> indicative of the results that homemade EIS would provide.
>>
>> ~David
>> http://scientificliving.net/
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:03 PM, j petras  wrote:
>>
>>> Do you know if this study was done in vitro or conducted in a living
>>> organism?
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On *Thu, 2/17/11, David AuBuchon * wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: David AuBuchon 
>>> Subject: CS>some info on BYU kill study
>>>
>>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>> Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 7:43 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> A list of 54 organisms that were tested:
>>>
>>> http://lifesilver.com/brigham.pdf
>>>
>>> ~David
>>> http://scientificliving.net/
>>>
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Re: CS>for Brooks

[Brooks Bradley]

Hello Pt,


Thank you for the "heads-up".  I am completely unaware that my
firewall may have been outflanked.  I will have a virus sweep run
immediately.   About once every two years someone manages to invade my
machine.
   Best Regards,Brooks.


Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:36 PM, PT Ferrance  wrote:
> Hi Brooks,
> I just wanted to let you know I think someone got into your computer.  I
> received an invite from you to some retail establishment in San Francisco.
>
> I thought you should know.
> PT


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Re: CS>some info on BYU kill study

[David AuBuchon]

Also note that getting in vitro results that dont kill probiotics is
actually more impressive than getting it in vivo.

~David

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:08 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

> Hi Neville,
>
> I know these people have hype all over the web in hidden nooks and
> crannies.  Their product(s) are all 10nm EIS of different PPMs.  What I was
> referring to, was a specific reference in the study that claimed they did in
> vitro experiments that did not kill a specific probiotic.  If true, that
> would be a first to me.  I haven't gotten to it yet, but will soon.
>
> Though I have to say, I have gathered a number of IN VIVO results that
> these guys have published in strange journals or just claimed in patents.  I
> will post a collection of those in the future.  These results are all
> indicative of the results that homemade EIS would provide.
>
> ~David
> http://scientificliving.net/
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:03 PM, j petras  wrote:
>
>> Do you know if this study was done in vitro or conducted in a living
>> organism?
>>
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 2/17/11, David AuBuchon * wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: David AuBuchon 
>> Subject: CS>some info on BYU kill study
>>
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 7:43 PM
>>
>>
>> A list of 54 organisms that were tested:
>>
>> http://lifesilver.com/brigham.pdf
>>
>> ~David
>> http://scientificliving.net/
>>
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Re: CS>some info on BYU kill study

[David AuBuchon]

Hi Neville,

I know these people have hype all over the web in hidden nooks and
crannies.  Their product(s) are all 10nm EIS of different PPMs.  What I was
referring to, was a specific reference in the study that claimed they did in
vitro experiments that did not kill a specific probiotic.  If true, that
would be a first to me.  I haven't gotten to it yet, but will soon.

Though I have to say, I have gathered a number of IN VIVO results that these
guys have published in strange journals or just claimed in patents.  I will
post a collection of those in the future.  These results are all indicative
of the results that homemade EIS would provide.

~David
http://scientificliving.net/

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:03 PM, j petras  wrote:

> Do you know if this study was done in vitro or conducted in a living
> organism?
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 2/17/11, David AuBuchon * wrote:
>
>
> From: David AuBuchon 
> Subject: CS>some info on BYU kill study
>
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 7:43 PM
>
>
> A list of 54 organisms that were tested:
>
> http://lifesilver.com/brigham.pdf
>
> ~David
> http://scientificliving.net/
>
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Re: CS>some info on BYU kill study

[j petras]

Do you know if this study was done in vitro or conducted in a living organism?

--- On Thu, 2/17/11, David AuBuchon  wrote:

From: David AuBuchon 
Subject: CS>some info on BYU kill study
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 7:43 PM

A list of 54 organisms that were tested:

http://lifesilver.com/brigham.pdf

~David
http://scientificliving.net/


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RE: CS>some info on BYU kill study

[Neville Munn]

I had a brief read and it sounds no different to any other product marketer to 
me.
 
A few quotes from article:
 
"consists of very tiny (about 10 nanometers long) particles of pure elemental 
silver suspended in a solution of very pure water"
#Surprise, surprise, "about 10nm long"?  Broadly speaking, isn't that pretty 
much what we produce?  Was their solutions produced using HVAC or LVDC?  What 
do they term a 'particle'?  And is that '10 nanometers' the *largest* particle 
contained within?
 
"The last silver patent was issued in 1924."
#And what would that product have been, or consisted of back in 1924 I wonder?
 
"presents no risk for developing Argyria"
#Neither does home made stuff.  I've never found any reference to Argyria being 
associated with what we produce in the home {outside of some on this List who 
state otherwise, and that's not a criticism, just an observation that needed to 
be included}.
 
"fulfills the definition of being non-toxic"
#No surprise here either, so does ours using available literature in the public 
domain as reference material.
 
"The only adverse event known, from the medicinal use of silver, is Argyria"
#And what form would that 'medical use of silver' have taken to produce that 
'adverse event'?
 
"This means that only the smallest of particles can be placed under the label 
of nano particle."
#Particles that can be placed under that 'nano' label is *any* particle that's 
under 1 micron in size.  Any literature one picks up states that particles 
below 1 micron *become* nano scale!
 
"Silver Sol 10 ppm And 22 ppm Were Not Cytotoxic To Healthy Cells"
#Again, same as ours.  It's only toxic to already dieing cells which would be 
removed by our natural elimination processes anyway.
 
Conclusion:
'Techno babble'.  It's all marketing hype to me David, not dissimilar to 
anything else I may find in the public domain.  It's a wide open market out 
there, and everyone's trying to get in on the action stating all manner of 
stuff.  This 'competing' with each other doesn't do much for anyone in my mind.
 
Not meaning to boost this List at all, but some here are far more open, honest 
and genuine than can be found most anywhere else.  If I considered that not to 
be so, I wouldn't waste my time being here.  I can read any amount of BS from 
any number of sources elsewhere.
 
People need to understand better what it is they actually make in the home, and 
understand the varying forms of what it is they make, and the possible varying 
efficacies of those forms.
 
I could be wrong, so be it, it's just my take on it from a personal perspective 
that's all.  No criticism or offence intended .
 
N.
 
 
> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:47:55 -0800
> Subject: Re: CS>some info on BYU kill study
> From: aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> And some ASAP studies citing 16PPM EIS does NOT destroy probiotics.
> Going to have to give this one a thorough read and see if it is legit:
> http://www.nursedetective.com/market/safetysummary.pdf
> 
> ~David  

RE: CS>Re: List of Bacteria Silver Can Kill

[Faith Saint Francis]

Hi Melly,
I am an old-timer on the list,
not so frequent these days.
Well, I cannot open dading ..
can you please send the list to me?
> starpartn...@live.com <
thanking you in advance 
Leoanrdo "Faith"

Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 17:02:04 -0800
From: tita_...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Re: List of Bacteria Silver Can Kill

Thanks David, that is very informative. Melly

--- On Thu, 2/17/11, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
 wrote:


From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2011 #58
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 7:43 PM

  

CS>Re: List of Bacteria Silver Can Kill

[Melly Bag]

Thanks David, that is very informative. Melly

--- On Thu, 2/17/11, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
 wrote:


From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2011 #58
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 7:43 PM

Re: CS>some info on BYU kill study

[David AuBuchon]

And some ASAP studies citing 16PPM EIS does NOT destroy probiotics.
Going to have to give this one a thorough read and see if it is legit:
http://www.nursedetective.com/market/safetysummary.pdf

~David
http://scientificliving.net/

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM, David AuBuchon
 wrote:
> A list of 54 organisms that were tested:
>
> http://lifesilver.com/brigham.pdf
>
> ~David
> http://scientificliving.net/
>
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CS>some info on BYU kill study

[David AuBuchon]

A list of 54 organisms that were tested:

http://lifesilver.com/brigham.pdf

~David
http://scientificliving.net/


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Re: CS>CS Doubt.

[Scotty]

Very well put 
Scotty
Have a great day!





From: Ode Coyote 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, February 17, 2011 3:49:20 AM
Subject: RE: CS>CS Doubt.


>  A freind has a sore throat but we have to work hanging sheetrock the next 
day.

I give him a 2 oz spray bottle of CS to carry around and use every time he 
thinks of it.
The next 3 days we hang sheet rock, heavy work.
He says:    This stuff doesn't work, I still feel like crap.
Oh!  Why is that?

I have strep throat.

How do you know?

Because everyone I went to the mountains with last weekend has it and they went 
to the doctor and got diagnosed.

So, how are THEY doing?

..can't get out of bed.

OK  Doesn't work.
Two days later he's just fine and they are still in bed.
Had I been told "strep"  I'da given him a quart of CS.
Would that have worked better?
NO way to know.

If the kill rate is higher than the replication rate, you'll get better.
How MUCH higher determines duration and intensity.


But everyone is different making valid comparisons difficult and you can't say 
much that has any meaning about what didn't happen, had you not.
Bottom line:
You are OLD, but you ain't DEAD.
You just might get older.

Nobody knows what that means in terms of why.
What it takes to get where, is an individual unknowable.

It's OK to be uncertain until certainty catches up with you.
Doubt is all you'll ever really have.
Meanwhile, you do what you CAN and never know what did what or what would have 
happened had you not.

Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you'll get a rabbit, but having that 
gun increases the odds of stew dramatically over not having one.


Ode








> > Subject: CS>CS Doubt.
> >
> > Have been using the "Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator" for a
> > little while now. Thinking I had really found something
> > amazing, I have
> > been trying to test it's effectiveness in various ways to prove to
> > myself and my family that it works beyond a shadow of doubt.
> > Nothing has
> > really happened until this week when all of my family except
> > myself has
> > come down with the FLU. I barely ever get sick anyways,
> > though the older
> > I get, the more susceptible to sickness I seem to become. Which is
> > natural of course. Anyways, I started taking larger doses of CS to
> > prevent the FLU, a couple of days after the family got the
> > FLU I finally
> > got it too. Within the last three days I have consumed 2 quarts of CS
> > with no perceivable signs of benefit. I have followed the directions
> > Steve Barwick has written for use and care of "Micro-Particle
> > Colloidal
> > Silver Generator", and right now I'm feeling let down.
> > Thinking either I
> > did something wrong or the whole CS thing doesn't really work like it
> > should or at all.
> >
> > Does anyone have any advice or feedback to help me out.
> 
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RE: CS>CS Doubt.

[Ode Coyote]

 A freind has a sore throat but we have to work hanging sheetrock the 
next day.


I give him a 2 oz spray bottle of CS to carry around and use every time he 
thinks of it.

The next 3 days we hang sheet rock, heavy work.
He says:This stuff doesn't work, I still feel like crap.
Oh!  Why is that?

 I have strep throat.

How do you know?

Because everyone I went to the mountains with last weekend has it and they 
went to the doctor and got diagnosed.


So, how are THEY doing?

..can't get out of bed.

OK  Doesn't work.
Two days later he's just fine and they are still in bed.
Had I been told "strep"  I'da given him a quart of CS.
 Would that have worked better?
NO way to know.

If the kill rate is higher than the replication rate, you'll get better.
How MUCH higher determines duration and intensity.


But everyone is different making valid comparisons difficult and you can't 
say much that has any meaning about what didn't happen, had you not.

Bottom line:
You are OLD, but you ain't DEAD.
You just might get older.

Nobody knows what that means in terms of why.
 What it takes to get where, is an individual unknowable.

It's OK to be uncertain until certainty catches up with you.
Doubt is all you'll ever really have.
 Meanwhile, you do what you CAN and never know what did what or what would 
have happened had you not.


Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you'll get a rabbit, but having 
that gun increases the odds of stew dramatically over not having one.



Ode









> Subject: CS>CS Doubt.
>
> Have been using the "Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator" for a
> little while now. Thinking I had really found something
> amazing, I have
> been trying to test it's effectiveness in various ways to prove to
> myself and my family that it works beyond a shadow of doubt.
> Nothing has
> really happened until this week when all of my family except
> myself has
> come down with the FLU. I barely ever get sick anyways,
> though the older
> I get, the more susceptible to sickness I seem to become. Which is
> natural of course. Anyways, I started taking larger doses of CS to
> prevent the FLU, a couple of days after the family got the
> FLU I finally
> got it too. Within the last three days I have consumed 2 quarts of CS
> with no perceivable signs of benefit. I have followed the directions
> Steve Barwick has written for use and care of "Micro-Particle
> Colloidal
> Silver Generator", and right now I'm feeling let down.
> Thinking either I
> did something wrong or the whole CS thing doesn't really work like it
> should or at all.
>
> Does anyone have any advice or feedback to help me out.


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