CS>Re: Sopa Nuts as toothpaste

[Melly Bag]

PT, 
 
I tried using it twice as toothpase and it bubbled pretty well. No problem.
 
Now i used it as mouth wash with little water to dilute, bad idea.  My  cheeks 
and jaw area are hurting, like as if i blew air too much. Now i am beginning to 
wonder if i should continue using it as toothpaste.
 
Melly
 

Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[Marshall]

In the tests I am running tomorrow with the pendents and orgonite, I 
have 3 jars with distilled water with words written on them: Love, Hate 
and Fear.  Those should be part of the plots I should have tomorrow.


Lots of things can restructure water, including microwaves.  I need to 
test that as well, as I suspect simply blessing the water might easily 
eliminate any adverse structuring.


Marshall

On 9/8/2011 10:11 PM, Guyot Léna wrote:

Hi Marshall,
This experiment you're running is fascinating!
If you haven't seen it already, you might be interested in reading 
'The Hidden Messages in Water' by Masaru Emoto, a scientist who found 
that taping hostile or loving messages to a water jug would affect the 
symmetry or distortion of subsequent frozen crystals from those jugs. 
It was a small scientific paper that went viral and was republished 
(two vol.s I think) for the general public. His finding on micro-waved 
water has cured me of heating my tea water that way!


Be well,
Léna
On Sep 8, 2011, at 9:44 PM, Marshall wrote:

I am planning on rerunning those tests next week.  At that time I was 
using 2 matched vials, and had done the reiki with the water in the 
vial.  Big mistake, it totally screwed up the vial, so it no longer 
was matched to the other one.  The replacement cost was something like 
$100, and I ended up getting a reiki master to come over and clear 
both the vials so they matched again.  When I rerun it I will use the 
same vial for both the baseline and the sample, and will NOT do the 
prayer or reiki on water in the vial, but in a jelly jar then pour it 
into the vial, like I just did on the tests today. That way it should 
have no effect on the vial quartz at all.  I am considering the 
possibility that the reiki and prayer were actually very similar, but 
because reiki screwed up the vial that maybe the baseline for the 
prayer was run with, it might be a problem that the vials no longer 
matched, one of them had an absorption pattern like the water after 
reiki did. At the time I ran those tests I did not realize the vial 
had gotten messed up by the reiki, but did later when I ran some more 
tests.  Thus I really have no idea if that is a factor or not, and 
thus am wanting to rerun the test.  I should know in the next few 
days. Right now I am running tests with a number of pendents and 
orgonite to see what effect their energy has on the water.


Marshall

On 9/8/2011 9:27 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

Got it.  Thanks.


I think it would be interesting to see the result of reiki plus 
prayer (especially by Donna), as they almost exactly would be 
expected to cancel out.


~David



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Re: CS>Re: Soap Nuts, Soap w/o glycerine for teeth

[jaxi]

Dr Bronner's does ... but it is what is naturally made through the
saponifying of the oils.  It says it on the labels.

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Guyot Léna  wrote:

> Thanks Melly,
> The day got away from me so I haven't done my boil yet. Hope to tomorrow.
>
> BTW, I think this thread began about using soap for cleaning teeth, as it
> removes the film that regular toothpaste leaves and impedes the tooth's
> natural tendency to remineralize. The was discussion about finding soap
> without glycerine and today I discovered that Dr. Bronner's soap bar has
> none! Yay! I got the almond: figured it would taste better.
> Léna
> On Sep 8, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Melly Bag wrote:
>
> Lena,
>
> I came upon an article today that said use 10 nuts to 4 cups of water.
>
> The 10 nuts in 2 cups of water, then reduced to 1 cup, came out a bit thick
> and was very bubbly, a concentrate.  Then when i added the other "teas" from
> previously boiled nuts, it became watery and hardly any bubble.  But i still
> added the wrinkle removing allantoin, aloe vera and urea.  It still worked,
> had to rinse it though.
>
> PT,
>
> Thanks for the suggestions.  I am reluctant to add honey because there are
> so many ants outside the house due to drought. I don't want them coming
> inside due to the honey's smell.
>
> Melly
> --- On *Thu, 9/8/11, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com <
> silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com>* wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: CS>Re: Soap Nuts, Soap w/o glycerine for teeth

[Guyot Léna]

Thanks Melly,
The day got away from me so I haven't done my boil yet. Hope to  
tomorrow.


BTW, I think this thread began about using soap for cleaning teeth, as  
it removes the film that regular toothpaste leaves and impedes the  
tooth's natural tendency to remineralize. The was discussion about  
finding soap without glycerine and today I discovered that Dr.  
Bronner's soap bar has none! Yay! I got the almond: figured it would  
taste better.

Léna
On Sep 8, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Melly Bag wrote:

Lena,

I came upon an article today that said use 10 nuts to 4 cups of water.

The 10 nuts in 2 cups of water, then reduced to 1 cup, came out a bit  
thick and was very bubbly, a concentrate.  Then when i added the other  
"teas" from previously boiled nuts, it became watery and hardly any  
bubble.  But i still added the wrinkle removing allantoin, aloe vera  
and urea.  It still worked, had to rinse it though.


PT,

Thanks for the suggestions.  I am reluctant to add honey because there  
are so many ants outside the house due to drought. I don't want them  
coming inside due to the honey's smell.


Melly
--- On Thu, 9/8/11, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > wrote:

CS>Re: Soap Nuts

[Melly Bag]

Lena,
 
I came upon an article today that said use 10 nuts to 4 cups of water.
 
The 10 nuts in 2 cups of water, then reduced to 1 cup, came out a bit thick and 
was very bubbly, a concentrate.  Then when i added the other "teas" from 
previously boiled nuts, it became watery and hardly any bubble.  But i still 
added the wrinkle removing allantoin, aloe vera and urea.  It still worked, had 
to rinse it though.
 
PT,
 
Thanks for the suggestions.  I am reluctant to add honey because there are so 
many ants outside the house due to drought. I don't want them coming inside due 
to the honey's smell.  
 
Melly
--- On Thu, 9/8/11, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
 wrote:


 

Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[Guyot Léna]

Hi Marshall,
This experiment you're running is fascinating!
If you haven't seen it already, you might be interested in reading  
'The Hidden Messages in Water' by Masaru Emoto, a scientist who found  
that taping hostile or loving messages to a water jug would affect the  
symmetry or distortion of subsequent frozen crystals from those jugs.  
It was a small scientific paper that went viral and was republished  
(two vol.s I think) for the general public. His finding on micro-waved  
water has cured me of heating my tea water that way!


Be well,
Léna
On Sep 8, 2011, at 9:44 PM, Marshall wrote:

I am planning on rerunning those tests next week.  At that time I was  
using 2 matched vials, and had done the reiki with the water in the  
vial.  Big mistake, it totally screwed up the vial, so it no longer  
was matched to the other one.  The replacement cost was something like  
$100, and I ended up getting a reiki master to come over and clear  
both the vials so they matched again.  When I rerun it I will use the  
same vial for both the baseline and the sample, and will NOT do the  
prayer or reiki on water in the vial, but in a jelly jar then pour it  
into the vial, like I just did on the tests today. That way it should  
have no effect on the vial quartz at all.  I am considering the  
possibility that the reiki and prayer were actually very similar, but  
because reiki screwed up the vial that maybe the baseline for the  
prayer was run with, it might be a problem that the vials no longer  
matched, one of them had an absorption pattern like the water after  
reiki did. At the time I ran those tests I did not realize the vial  
had gotten messed up by the reiki, but did later when I ran some more  
tests.  Thus I really have no idea if that is a factor or not, and  
thus am wanting to rerun the test.  I should know in the next few  
days. Right now I am running tests with a number of pendents and  
orgonite to see what effect their energy has on the water.


Marshall

On 9/8/2011 9:27 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

Got it.  Thanks.


I think it would be interesting to see the result of reiki plus  
prayer (especially by Donna), as they almost exactly would be  
expected to cancel out.


~David



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Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[Guyot Léna]

Hi David,

I'm just stumbling upon this thread. 'Reiki' caught my eye, and I  
searched back to see where it had first been mentioned, but couldn't  
find it, so forgive me if I'm misunderstanding context

.
What really DID get my attention was the remark below about reiki plus  
prayer and the odd idea that ' they almost exactly would be expected  
to cancel out." WHAT?!!!


As a Reiki master, I've had the privilege of teaching it to nuns, two  
ministers, a Hindu sitar master, hospice workers, doctors, nurses, and  
many devoted religious people whose daily practice definitely included  
prayer. They all felt that it enhanced their connection to their  
spirituality and for those who pray, their prayers. It in no way  
cancelled anything except pain, fear, stress and disease.


Reiki means 'Rei' (universal) 'Ki' (energy). Many clients say it feels  
like Love: unconditional, inclusive, expansive, and confirming of  
their highest spiritual experiences. But it isn't a religion. It is a  
technique rescued from obscurity by a Buddhist monk, but that doesn't  
make it Buddhist, any more than Marconi developing radio makes radio  
waves Italian.
Reiki is a powerful, nurturing energy that doesn't heal in and of  
itself, but provides the body the energy that it can use to heal. If  
it were psychosomatic, it wouldn't work on babies or animals, but it  
does, sometimes very dramatically, as in the case of a service dog  
with an abcessed ear. It is probably one of the things what kept me  
relatively healthy for so long despite my 40-year case of undxed  
chronic Lyme. It certainly helps with pain and herxes!


Just wanted to clarify.=)
Be well,
Léna
On Sep 8, 2011, at 9:27 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

Got it.  Thanks.


I think it would be interesting to see the result of reiki plus prayer  
(especially by Donna), as


~David

Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[Marshall]

I am planning on rerunning those tests next week.  At that time I was 
using 2 matched vials, and had done the reiki with the water in the 
vial.  Big mistake, it totally screwed up the vial, so it no longer was 
matched to the other one.  The replacement cost was something like $100, 
and I ended up getting a reiki master to come over and clear both the 
vials so they matched again.  When I rerun it I will use the same vial 
for both the baseline and the sample, and will NOT do the prayer or 
reiki on water in the vial, but in a jelly jar then pour it into the 
vial, like I just did on the tests today. That way it should have no 
effect on the vial quartz at all.  I am considering the possibility that 
the reiki and prayer were actually very similar, but because reiki 
screwed up the vial that maybe the baseline for the prayer was run with, 
it might be a problem that the vials no longer matched, one of them had 
an absorption pattern like the water after reiki did. At the time I ran 
those tests I did not realize the vial had gotten messed up by the 
reiki, but did later when I ran some more tests.  Thus I really have no 
idea if that is a factor or not, and thus am wanting to rerun the test.  
I should know in the next few days. Right now I am running tests with a 
number of pendents and orgonite to see what effect their energy has on 
the water.


Marshall

On 9/8/2011 9:27 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

Got it.  Thanks.


I think it would be interesting to see the result of reiki plus prayer 
(especially by Donna), as they almost exactly would be expected to 
cancel out.


~David



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Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[David AuBuchon]

Got it.  Thanks.


I think it would be interesting to see the result of reiki plus prayer
(especially by Donna), as they almost exactly would be expected to cancel
out.

~David

Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[Marshall]

On 9/8/2011 6:18 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
Regarding the reiki, do the negative values indicate that more light 
is coming out of the water than was shined through to begin with?


Yes, oddly enough it seems that the water became MORE transparent for 
the visible through ir range, especially the ir.



Regarding peroxide, my impression is that in regular EIS the particles 
are not metallic silver but are clumps of silver oxide/hydroxide 
molecules.  If so, could you explain how silver in this state becomes 
metallic, which would be necessary to fit in line with the observation 
that only 1 configuration is possible with 2, 3, and 4 atom colloids.  
That statement for example would not make sense if the particles are 
still composed of compounds.


H2O2 is a redux operator, that is it is both an oxidizer and reducer.  
It will oxidize silver particles, producing silver silver oxide, and 
will reduce silver oxide to 2 particle silver particles.  The final 
result is that most larger particles of silver get broken up and form 
either ionic silver or 2, 3 or 4 atom particles.


oxidation:
2Ag  + 2H2O2 = Ag2O2 + 2H2O

reduction:
Ag2O2 + 2H2O2 = 2Ag + 2H2O + O2

The result is the breakup of large particles either by converting them 
to silver oxide, or converting enough of them to silver oxide that when 
it dissolves, the rest of the particle falls apart, then converting the 
produced silver oxide to 2 atom silver particles.


Marshall



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Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[David AuBuchon]

Regarding the reiki, do the negative values indicate that more light is
coming out of the water than was shined through to begin with?


Regarding peroxide, my impression is that in regular EIS the particles are
not metallic silver but are clumps of silver oxide/hydroxide molecules.  If
so, could you explain how silver in this state becomes metallic, which would
be necessary to fit in line with the observation that only 1 configuration
is possible with 2, 3, and 4 atom colloids.  That statement for example
would not make sense if the particles are still composed of compounds.

~David

Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[Marshall]

On 9/8/2011 5:55 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
Okay, I think I see...it's not a function of diameter but rather size 
and configuration of atoms.
It is a function of size, which of course the diameter is as well.  The 
larger the particle, the longer the wavelength light it absorbs.  Now if 
you have a spherical particle, or one as close to spherical as possible 
with the number of atoms in it, it will have a sharp absorption band, 
since the resonance will be the same across any of its diameters.  But 
if you have one which is longer then  it is wide, or irregularly shaped, 
then the resonance across the minimum "diameter" will be a shorter 
wavelength than across its maximum "diameter" and everything in between 
between those two wavelengths. Thus a particle that is not completely 
symmetrical will not have a sharp absorption resonance, which is why 
after 4 atoms, it all smears out into a broad curve.


Marshall


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Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[Marshall]

Yes, it is basically a colormeter.  If you take light and run it through 
a prism and break it into its various colors, then have a slit where 
only one color gets through, and take a reading of the intensity of that 
color, move the prism so one of a slightly different frequency goes 
through the slit and measure it, then graph the results vs wavelength, 
that is what you get.  Well actually what is plotted is the amount of 
absorption above what distilled water gives, not the amount that gets 
through.


The reason these instruments can show large absorption band in water 
that otherwise appears clear is that the absorption bands are in thee uv 
or ir range, which we cannot see.  If we could, then we would see that 
blessing water actually changes its color right before our eyes!


For more information see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monochromator

Also google search for "scanning spectrophotometer".

Marshall



On 9/8/2011 5:44 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

Can we get a layman's intro to spectrometers?  Here is my understanding:

Light of various wavelengths is sent through a material.  In this 
case, a silver particle of a given diameter will absorb light of a 
particular wavelength which is some function of the particle's 
diameter.  Therefore only some fraction of light with that wavelength 
will reach a receiver on the other side of material.  Light of 
wavelengths greater than any particle can absorb, according to this 
relation, will 100% reach the receiver.  Based on how much of each 
wavelength of light reaches the reciever, the plots are made.


Is this a correct understanding?

~David



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Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[David AuBuchon]

Okay, I think I see...it's not a function of diameter but rather size and
configuration of atoms.

Re: CS>pacemakers, defibrillators

[cking001]

I have a pacemaker, I usually ignore asscover recommendations.
I arc-weld occasionally also, something I was advised against.

Chuck
Caterpallor (n.):   The color you turn after finding half a worm in
the fruit you're eating.


On 9/8/2011 4:18:22 PM, David AuBuchon (aubuchon.da...@gmail.com)
wrote:
> I just read off Mashall's site not to give to people with pacemakers and 
> defibbrilators.  Can someone comment on how this may be dangerous so I can 
> immediately update my website.  This is the first serious contraindication I 
> have heard.
> 
> Regarding the pregnant, I understand the general desire for caution, but have 
> pregnant people used CS?  Do we know of any good antimicrobials that 
> definitely can be used during pregnancy?
> 
> ~David


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Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[David AuBuchon]

Can we get a layman's intro to spectrometers?  Here is my understanding:

Light of various wavelengths is sent through a material.  In this case, a
silver particle of a given diameter will absorb light of a particular
wavelength which is some function of the particle's diameter.  Therefore
only some fraction of light with that wavelength will reach a receiver on
the other side of material.  Light of wavelengths greater than any particle
can absorb, according to this relation, will 100% reach the receiver.  Based
on how much of each wavelength of light reaches the reciever, the plots are
made.

Is this a correct understanding?

~David

Re: CS>pacemakers, defibrillators

[Marshall]

There has never been a reported problem with either of them and CS. This 
is a very cautious statement written when CS first became popular.  
Theoretically silver could grow into a needle shorting out the 
electrodes given a high enough ppm and sufficient time, just like it can 
do in the chamber when making it.  As I said this is very cautious, and 
likely will never be a problem, especially since it has not happened 
since that was written.


Marshall

On 9/8/2011 4:18 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
I just read off Mashall's site not to give to people with pacemakers 
and defibbrilators.  Can someone comment on how this may be dangerous 
so I can immediately update my website.  This is the first serious 
contraindication I have heard.


Regarding the pregnant, I understand the general desire for caution, 
but have pregnant people used CS?  Do we know of any good 
antimicrobials that definitely can be used during pregnancy?


~David 



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Re: CS>Texas Fire

[Smitty]

I wonder what happens when the creek dries up  ??
Smitty



Alan Jones  wrote:

> My house backs up to a golf course in North Texas and it is quite green.
>  They have signs up indicating that they don't use water from the general
> water supply (a nearby reservoir); it pulls water from a creek that runs
> thru the course (not sure why that's better...).
>
> Alan
>
>

CS>pacemakers, defibrillators

[David AuBuchon]

I just read off Mashall's site not to give to people with pacemakers and
defibbrilators.  Can someone comment on how this may be dangerous so I can
immediately update my website.  This is the first serious contraindication I
have heard.

Regarding the pregnant, I understand the general desire for caution, but
have pregnant people used CS?  Do we know of any good antimicrobials that
definitely can be used during pregnancy?

~David

Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[olushola camara]

What's the conclusion with respect to the effectiveness of the compound? How
should the graph look for maximum effectiveness?

Olushola

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Marshall  wrote:

> I have updated the page at 
> http://www.silver-lightning.**com/hach/
>
> I have added graphs of 20 ppm EIS, and what happens when you add 1 drop of
> H2O2 to 2 ounces of it.  When run with the H2O2 mixed with distilled water
> as a baseline, it is apparent that the H2O2 has created large quantities of
> 2 atom particles, with lesser amounts of 3, 4, and higher sizes.
>
> Marshall
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Re: CS>cs and Lyme disease

[Paul Steel]

6 months

15-18 ppm when i made my own


Plus took meso silver for 3 months

I drank about 16 oz's a day on average

maybe helped a little bit

 
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From: Rodney Samuelson 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 3:45 PM
Subject: CS>cs and Lyme disease


 
I have really started using CS and make my own using silver
gen.  I want to gather some data.  For those using it for Lyme
disease only please comment.  What PPM  is the cs?  Do you feel
like you have had real help against Lyme?   How many months did you take
it to get some real help?  
 
 
Rod   samuelson

CS>cs and Lyme disease

[Rodney Samuelson]

I have really started using CS and make my own using silver gen.  I want to
gather some data.  For those using it for Lyme disease only please comment.
What PPM  is the cs?  Do you feel like you have had real help against Lyme?
How many months did you take it to get some real help?  

 

 

Rod  samuelson

CS>spectrographs of CS

[Marshall]

I have updated the page at http://www.silver-lightning.com/hach/

I have added graphs of 20 ppm EIS, and what happens when you add 1 drop 
of H2O2 to 2 ounces of it.  When run with the H2O2 mixed with distilled 
water as a baseline, it is apparent that the H2O2 has created large 
quantities of 2 atom particles, with lesser amounts of 3, 4, and higher 
sizes.


Marshall


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Re: CS>Texas Fire

[Alan Jones]

My house backs up to a golf course in North Texas and it is quite green.
 They have signs up indicating that they don't use water from the general
water supply (a nearby reservoir); it pulls water from a creek that runs
thru the course (not sure why that's better...).

Alan

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Smitty  wrote:

> I've been wondering if the Texas golf courses are green ?
> Are they water rationed like residents ?
>
> Smitty
> 
>
> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Sandy  wrote:
>
>> Hi Melly, so glad to hear you are safe and sound. Yes, it is so dry
>> everything is dying around here. I've lost 6 big Oaks in my yard and though
>> I cannot water my trees like you I spot water my herbs and potted plants.
>> They say we are under a La Nina effect and the drought will last well into
>> 2012. I'm not sure we can make it that long without water.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Sandy
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 9/7/11, Melly Bag * wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Melly Bag 
>> Subject: CS>Texas Fire
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 3:07 PM
>>
>>
>> Sandy,
>>
>> Thanks for your concern.  Am glad we here in central Texas are all safe.
>> I am pretty far from all fires.  It is cloudy but the clouds are
>> whitish/grayish.  Sun is full blast.  Hot again.  Renee is right, God please
>> send lots of rain here.  The grass in our area is like dried hay due to
>> water restrictions in watering the lawn.  The heat is different, i water the
>> plants soaking wet early morning and by noon time the plants are drooping
>> and withered.
>>
>> Take care.
>>
>> Melly
>>
>>
>


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RE: CS>Re: Sopa Nuts

[PTFerrance]

How about adding honey and CS (as a preservative for the honey).  Honey is
great for the skin and hair has a sugar bond.

PT

 

From: Guyot Léna [mailto:drumr...@stny.rr.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 12:13 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Re: Sopa Nuts

 

Hi Melly,

Thanks for this! I've got some soap nuts down in the laundry and will play
with them tomorrow! (must have been a mad alchemist in a former life)

This sounds like it might also be good for psoriasis, or at least not bad
for it. I think I may add some CS to the mix, too.

 

Be well,

Léna

On Sep 7, 2011, at 11:50 PM, Melly Bag wrote:

 


 

Lena,

 

>From what i have learned, to test if you can still reuse the soap nuts, put
them in a bowl and cover with water, agitate with  your fingers and if
bubbles come out, it is still good to use. 

 

I put 10 nuts in two cups of water and boiled and simmered until it became
one cup. It was thicker.  Then i reused four times boiling it each time and
it came out more watery each time.  so i just put them all together as my
shampoo/body wash/face wash. I put aloe vera gel, allantoin and urea in it
too.  The smell is not bad.  I just hope the aloe vera does not come out
like dandruff when my hair dries.  I tried it as a face wash (rinsed it) and
hey, it looks good for the skin, some light wrinkles weren't too visible.
Allantoin and urea are good skin moisturizers.

 

Take care.

 

Melly  

 

 

 

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