RE: CSDesulfurizing
Guess I better get in quick then g. One would like to think that praps you could do one the courtesy of shedding some light on those few points I raised earlier before you dissappear? All in the interest of furthering my knowledge, by those who appear to have the knowledge. No disrespect intended. N. From: armor@gishpuppy.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDesulfurizing Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 23:56:39 -0400 I will be wrapping things up here very soon and moving over to the new forum. Best Wishes, Mike Monett SilverCentral
RE: CSDesulfurizing
Mike wrote, I have had all these, and a low silver ion concentration had little or no effect. But as soon as I was able to learn how to dramatically increase the concentration, the healing was immediate. So you are basing all this on your experience alone? Every body is different. What works for you might not work for someone else and can cause problems for someone else. People on *this* forum have been using CS for years with good effect and now you are telling them it is not working? It is illogical of you to deny their experience. PT -Original Message- From: Mike Monett [mailto:armor@gishpuppy.com] Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:57 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDesulfurizing Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: So you are right, and every reference I can find is wrong. I guess that is possible, but I have a hard time believing it. Here are some more: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/Solubility_Products.PDF solubility = 13.3 ppm http://www.vias.org/genchem/solubility_product_table.html silver hydroxide AgOH20C 1.52x10^-8 http://www.cgcsforum.com/Articles/ColloidalSilverChemistry.html In this method, free hydroxyl ions (OH^-) in the water initially react with the positive silver electrode to make silver hydroxide (AgOH). Starting with pure water, and pure silver, Silver hydroxide is the only product that can be initially made. Silver hydroxide is unstable though and rapidly decomposes to silver oxide Ag_2 O. If you remember your high school chemistry, the reaction forumula would be: 2AgOH -- Ag_2 O + H_2 O http://library.deerfield.edu/pdfs/ChemAgWillbanks.pdf solubility constant is 1X10^-8, and silver hydroxide silver hydroxide spontaneously converts to silver oxide (was unable to get text to copy, so paraphrasing. There are many more. Marshall Marshall, thanks for replying. There are several ways this can happen. One author might be talking about some other issue and this comes up as a side topic. He does a quick calculation, and it looks good, so he publishes it without verifying if it is true. A second author might come across it, assume the first author verified it, and he publishes it without verification. And so on. Pretty soon you have five authors all saying the same thing. So it must be correct, right? Maybe and maybe not. They all might just be copying each other. There is so much crud in chemistry - unbalanced equations, missing half of redox equations, and blatantly wrong analysis, you simply have to check everything. As you well know. Frank's solubility calculation that you reference is a typical example. He states: The method by which one calculates the solubility of a weak electrolyte or a compound of low solubility is to start with the compound and let it dissociate in water The problem is he assumes silver hydroxide is soluble. But he never did any experiments to see if that was true or not. The calculation doesn't prove AgOH is soluble, it merely assumes that is is and merrily proceeds with the calculation. Marshall, I would really like for you to do the thermal decomposition experiment for silver hydroxide. It is one of the easiest of all to perform, since it occurs at such a low temperature - barely enough to cook hamburger, if you can wait that long:) But there is something magic when you see the black deposit turn gray right in front of your eyes. It reaches somewhere deep down inside and you suddenly realize that what these people are saying could actually harm you. So you begin to wonder what other mistakes they have made, and what is the real truth about what is happening. And that is the key part. I could stand here all day long and tell you, but that won't have any effect. But when that part of you deep down inside sees it happening, everything changes. And that may start a lifelong quest to uncover the truth. Which you already have part of. Marshall, I would really like you to join the SilverCentral forum. I am trying to reach a group of talented individuals who have a passion for colloidal silver. I want to find out why a high silver ion concentration works so much better than a weak solution, and how a 20 parts-per-billion concentration in the blood can be so effective at eliminating all kinds of pathogens, from Herpes Simplex and Zoster, to the worst fungal infections you can imagine in the lungs. I have had all these, and a low silver ion concentration had little or no effect. But as soon as I was able to learn how to dramatically increase the concentration, the healing was immediate. The answers to these questions may not be easy to find, and may take a lot of work with many false paths. But
Re: CSpowdered silver?
http://www.ssnano.com/powders/?gclid=CNmI56XpoasCFYPu7Qodl2wOfQ ode At 09:54 PM 9/15/2011 -0700, you wrote: Is there like a powdered silver that can be bought such as AgOH? Like I know that silver 100 product is made by mixing an Ag2O powder with the other chemicals. Could you use some kind of powdered silver and peroxide to make a quick and dirty EIS? ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConcentrating EIS
Hi David: I haven't had a need to try to concentrate EIS, but keep in mind that the silver in solution doesn't turn brown, it's only light refraction. The problem with concentrating EIS, is that you have to deal with agglomeration, which defeats the purpose of creating a highly oligodynamic product. In my opinion, that is the entire purpose of working with EIS. When particles are too large (being a relative term), and you add hydrogen peroxide, rather than atomizing the silver particles, an oxide forms (contrary to some fancy opinions, it's easy to demonstrate), and the particles fall out of solution. If you set aside your container for a week or so, you'll notice a thin or thick coating of greyish silver at the bottom of the container. Depending upon the quality, concentration, and amount of H2O2 used, the silver that remains with and in the solution will be a pretty good product. If you start off with a quality product, you can even use H2O2 to create a completely ionic solution, with no tyndal. This is one of the problems I use to quality check my own batches. If I add hydrogen peroxide to a fresh batch of EIS, and the solution turns dark, it indicates a lower quality end product, even though you can return the solution to clear with the use of H2O2. This is usually due to problems with electrode degredation (or in some cases, electrodes being too close, or batches being run to long, water not being pure enough, etc. etc.). Contrary to Frank's opinion on the use of TEM to study silver-based products, his opinion is not shared by anyone else in the scientific community (again, this is not my opinion, but the opinion of the scientific community at large). While it is true that TEM has limitations (which Frank is quick to point out), the tool isn't used to definatively characterize attributes. It's main advantage is in comparative analysis. And what TEM can demonstrate through comparative analysis, is an attribute that has been proven to be very important in electrically isolated silver products: particle dispersion. While TEM's revelation of particle dispersion may not be definative due to the process of drying a solution in order to photograph it, it has a direct correspondence to the direct antimicrobial power of any given EIS product. The greater the particle dispersion, the greater the greater the antimicrobial power of a given product is... and you cannot get great particle dispersion with a solution filled with larger particles. So while there are those who use highly concentrated products, from a few hundred parts per million to a few thousand parts per million, and while it is true that in those high concentrations, the direct antimicrobial power of the product is impressive, once you equalize the concentrations, the performance is dismal. I've long been told by users of other CS products that our brew is far superior to anything they'd been using over the years. I'm always quick to point out that there are products that are even better, but you can't get them for free (we don't sell silver, but we do give away alot). If you're looking for highly concentrated silver, I don't think EIS is the way to go. The higher concentration products I've attempted to make (upwards to around 50 PPM), are not as effective as the lower PPM high quality batches. Using a minute current over a longer period of time, like Mike M. suggests, may be the way to go... I mentioned this in an article I wrote (in passing), about this process somewhere around 2002-2003, because some people I've corresponded with-- individuals more on the fringe/esoteric side of things, have long believed that brewing silver for a week or more with an extremely small amount of current produces a very unique and useful product. Although most of the current experts I consulted with at the time believe that you can get a higher concentration of EIS, none of them believed it was possible to get a higher quality end product; one that was more effective. It's possible that Mike M. is correct, and that a high quality product can be produced at 40 uS using his simple process. That might be an ideal solution for the home brewer. Silver particles are NEVER stable in the presence of H2O2... that's the neat thing about using H2O2. I use peroxide testing strips to be certain that at least the majority of reactive H2O2 is gone from the EIS before letting anyone use it; otherwise, one needs to disclose that there is active H2O2 in solution, although when needed, I don't hesitate to use EIS with a bit of H2O2 still active. I still believe that the risk of argyria is dose dependent, and that the most relevent factor is the actual amount of silver in the product. I also believe that when you add an acid to the equation, that risk increases at least slightly, due to increased adsorption into tissues. Using a high PPM silver stabilized with acids intranasally is
Re: CSpowdered silver?
Very interesting question. One could buy silver oxide, I find it in my Fisher scientific catalog for $212 per 100 grams catalog number S184-100 and dissolve it to saturation into distilled water. Once this is done a small amount of H2O2 should convert it to essentially the same thing as if you take 13 ppm of EIS and add a little H2O2. Marshall On 9/16/2011 9:00 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: http://www.ssnano.com/powders/?gclid=CNmI56XpoasCFYPu7Qodl2wOfQ ode At 09:54 PM 9/15/2011 -0700, you wrote: Is there like a powdered silver that can be bought such as AgOH? Like I know that silver 100 product is made by mixing an Ag2O powder with the other chemicals. Could you use some kind of powdered silver and peroxide to make a quick and dirty EIS? ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate? [GishPuppy]
Depends on the heat source, as my Dad would have said not knowing I hesitate to say Dave On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:55 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: I mean, how long does it take to evaporate X amount of water? ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDesulfurizing
On 9/15/2011 11:56 PM, Mike Monett wrote: Marshall, I would really like for you to do the thermal decomposition experiment for silver hydroxide. It is one of the easiest of all to perform, since it occurs at such a low temperature - barely enough to cook hamburger, if you can wait that long:) But there is something magic when you see the black deposit turn gray right in front of your eyes. It reaches somewhere deep down inside and you suddenly realize that what these people are saying could actually harm you. So you begin to wonder what other mistakes they have made, and what is the real truth about what is happening. I am not questioning that you have seen the effect. I am however questioning your interpretation of it. First I cannot find any reference anywhere to silver hydroxide. It is not even in my CRC handbook, and every reference I can find says that it can only exist in a hydrated form. Thus I am unable to find anywhere that tells its color, if it does exist. You are claiming that the black stuff is silver hydroxide, I think it is silver oxide Ag2O, which my book says is black or brown-black. The crystalline form shifts when it is heated. Silver oxide is normal a cubic crystal, but when deposited on an electrode I would expect most of it to be amorphous. If it is amorphous, it would almost certainly be black. As is normal with amorphous materials that are normally crystalline, they will form crystals when they are heated sufficiently. So that goes right along with the idea that a black amorphous compound crystallizes and changes color when heated. Is there any test data to support either of these possibilities. In fact there is. There is a paper that shows that when formed by an electrolytic cell and deposited on an electrode, Ag2O is indeed laid down as a mixture of amorphous and cubic forms. This can be viewed at http://web.mit.edu/dsadoway/www/134.pdf I am unable to find at what temperature you said this action takes place. Another possibility is that the precipitate contains both AgO and Ag2O. AgO decomposes at about 100 C lower temperature than Ag2O. This is given in the paper at http://www.iupac.org/publications/pac/2/1/0211/pdf/ which also shows that various forms of Ag2O, specifically the the 220 and 331, spontaneously form the cubic 111 form at temperatures no higher than 150 C, which is the temperature they did the annealing at. Marshall
Re: CSConcentrating EIS
On 9/16/2011 12:52 AM, David AuBuchon wrote: This need a new thread. 1. When EIS gets concentrated through evaporation, why does it turn brown? As it concentrates the Ag2O level exceeds its solubility limit, and deposits on the particles. Once a particle is covered with Ag2O, it loses some of it repulsive charge, and can aggregate with other particles forming a kind of popcorn ball, where the popcorn is the original silver particles, and the silver oxide is the corn syrup. 2. The color being reversible when you add distilled water, what can we say that tells us about the risk of argyria when consuming a set mass of silver in a highly concentrated form as compared to normally? I am not sure that says anything. Once water is added, the silver oxide redissolves, and the particles fall apart, ending up with what you started with. Argria is caused by the photographic process where in an alkaline environment and a developer, such as caffeine, silver atoms plate out from a silver compound causing a particle to grow until it becomes caught in the tissues. There is no Ag2O in that particle. 3. If you added peroxide to EIS first, and then tried to concentrate it, what would happen? Would the metallic particles still remain stable? I don't think it would behave any differently, but would be an interesting experiment to try. Marshall ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSsun burn
I have a friend who over exposed herself on the beach sunburned her legs badly. I gave her some CS water, but it didn't help. Does anyone on the list have any home remedies for sunburn ? Thanks, Smitty
RE: CSsun burn
Lavender oil is the best thing I have found. Tell her not to use anything with aloe in it as it is an astringent and she will be in more pain tomorrow. PT From: Smitty [mailto:papad...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 2:11 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSsun burn I have a friend who over exposed herself on the beach sunburned her legs badly. I gave her some CS water, but it didn't help. Does anyone on the list have any home remedies for sunburn ? Thanks, Smitty _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3900 - Release Date: 09/16/11
Re: CSsun burn
Thanks. . .I'll forward this info. Smitty On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 8:25 AM, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: Lavender oil is the best thing I have found. Tell her not to use anything with aloe in it as it is an astringent and she will be in more pain tomorrow. PT ** ** *From:* Smitty [mailto:papad...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2011 2:11 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* CSsun burn ** ** I have a friend who over exposed herself on the beach sunburned her legs badly. I gave her some CS water, but it didn't help. Does anyone on the list have any home remedies for sunburn ? Thanks, Smitty -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3900 - Release Date: 09/16/11*** *
Re: CSpowdered silver?
By my calculations, you get almost the same mass of silver for that price compared to buying 12 gauge wire. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsun burn
I use cold pressed coconut oil - does wonders. Stops the pain almost immediately, and heals much more quickly. I just rub it into the skin - most will be absorbed, so you won't be all sticky. Sara -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSsun burn
Hi Sara, Thanks for the info about coconut oil and sunburns. I wouldn't have thought to use it for that. PT -Original Message- From: Sara Mandal-Joy [mailto:smjl...@wavewls.com] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 4:17 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsun burn I use cold pressed coconut oil - does wonders. Stops the pain almost immediately, and heals much more quickly. I just rub it into the skin - most will be absorbed, so you won't be all sticky. Sara -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3900 - Release Date: 09/16/11
Re: CSsun burn coconut oil
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RE: CSsun burn
Yes, as a matter of fact I had fairly severe sun or wind burn on my legs a couple years ago, and quite painfull. FWIW: Used an amber coloured solution in spray bottle and sprayed on legs as often as remembered. Continued for 4 days. I failed to note pain level throughout all this unfortunately, but legs were 'tanning?' already, and tanning *brown* that is, not blue. Day 7, redness practically gone, no water blisters apparant. Day 15, legs started to peel. Day 20, peeling in earnest now. Around day 28, last remnants of skin peeling. Haven't had sun or wind burn for quite a while, but I thought peeling process took rather a long time. The interesting thing that was very noticable: Natural dead skin loss only. Could not manually peel skin from any area where the skin was not already dead, it broke before peeling from areas that was not ready to be peeled. From memory, one could peel skin and expose tender red/raw skin which is tender to the touch, could not do that this time. Only skin that was dead was able to be removed manually. My conclusion: With the EIS/CS treatment, I believe it assisted the repair, or 'preparation' if you like, of the underlying skin before the dead skin was able to come away thus exposing new skin to the elements only when time appropriate. Oh, and my legs are still normal skin colour 2 1/2 years later. N. Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 08:10:43 -1000 From: papad...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSsun burn I have a friend who over exposed herself on the beach sunburned her legs badly. I gave her some CS water, but it didn't help. Does anyone on the list have any home remedies for sunburn ? Thanks, Smitty
RE: CSConcentrating EIS
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:11:40 -0400
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSConcentrating EIS
[Argria is caused by the photographic process where in an
alkaline environment and a developer, such as caffeine, silver atoms
plate out from a silver compound causing a particle to grow until it
becomes caught in the tissues.]
Marshall, can I ask you a question, or a couple of questions?
Not entering into any debate here, just a couple of simple questions.
Referring the you statement above, it appears an association between EIS/CS and
caffeine *may?* have a causative effect for argyria...Yes/No?
1. I assume you would be reffering to coffee...Yes/No? I believe you would be
coffee drinkers over there, not tea drinkers g {tea contains caffeine too}.
2. If so, would/could you offer an opinion on how many cups of coffee a day
would be considered necessary to show any argyria effect?
3. Is it possible, in your opinion, that this may be dependant on particular
EIS/CS solutions ingested?
4. Is it also possible that this would be dependant on which form of coffee is
consumed? Brewed or instant?
I am aware that these questions may not be easy to answer, if there ARE any
known answers, but as you have made the suggestion or inferrrence I figured you
may have some information to go with it?
I can explain the reason for my questions if necessary.
N.
Marshall
~David
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Re: CSsun burn
Teabags for sunburn yes.. Just moisten new teabags, (I like the family size and always keep a saucer close by with some water in it) keep dabbing on the sunburned area and make sure the 'juice' is plenty dark as you apply. Let dry and reapply every hour or so. It seems to take the heat/pain out of the sunburn and helps it turn a beautiful tan color. I used this on my daughter for years years. It worked great. There might be a spot or two more sunburned than the rest that might remain a little painful but, all in all, it was an inexpensive, effective remedy. Lola On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: Yes, as a matter of fact I had fairly severe sun or wind burn on my legs a couple years ago, and quite painfull. FWIW: Used an amber coloured solution in spray bottle and sprayed on legs as often as remembered. Continued for 4 days. I failed to note pain level throughout all this unfortunately, but legs were 'tanning?' already, and tanning *brown* that is, not blue. Day 7, redness practically gone, no water blisters apparant. Day 15, legs started to peel. Day 20, peeling in earnest now. Around day 28, last remnants of skin peeling. Haven't had sun or wind burn for quite a while, but I thought peeling process took rather a long time. The interesting thing that was very noticable: Natural dead skin loss only. Could not manually peel skin from any area where the skin was not already dead, it broke before peeling from areas that was not ready to be peeled. From memory, one could peel skin and expose tender red/raw skin which is tender to the touch, could not do that this time. Only skin that was dead was able to be removed manually. My conclusion: With the EIS/CS treatment, I believe it assisted the repair, or 'preparation' if you like, of the underlying skin before the dead skin was able to come away thus exposing new skin to the elements only when time appropriate. Oh, and my legs are still normal skin colour 2 1/2 years later. N. Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 08:10:43 -1000 From: papad...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSsun burn I have a friend who over exposed herself on the beach sunburned her legs badly. I gave her some CS water, but it didn't help. Does anyone on the list have any home remedies for sunburn ? Thanks, Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsun burn
Virgin coconut oil is good, and I've used a burn lotion that had lavender oil in it which was amazing. Can't remember the brand. Léna On Sep 16, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Smitty wrote: I have a friend who over exposed herself on the beach sunburned her legs badly. I gave her some CS water, but it didn't help. Does anyone on the list have any home remedies for sunburn ? Thanks, Smitty
RE: CSsun burn
Ive read that the way the benefits of essential oils was discovered was by a researcher plunging his just burned hand into a container of essential oil of lavender thinking it was water (I guess he didnt smell too well). The story goes that he had no scarring or pain although it should have been a 2nd or 3rd degree burn. I use straight EO of lavender or lavendin for things like this and they both work well of course you wouldnt want to wear perfume at the same time! :-) PT From: Guyot Léna [mailto:drumr...@stny.rr.com] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 9:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsun burn Virgin coconut oil is good, and I've used a burn lotion that had lavender oil in it which was amazing. Can't remember the brand. Léna On Sep 16, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Smitty wrote: I have a friend who over exposed herself on the beach sunburned her legs badly. I gave her some CS water, but it didn't help. Does anyone on the list have any home remedies for sunburn ? Thanks, Smitty _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3900 - Release Date: 09/16/11
CSOT - lymphatics
I know the best way to move lymphatics is to exercise but for someone who cannot do that very well does anyone have any alternative suggestions. I know someone in this situation and would like to be able to offer some suggestions. Thanks. PT
Re: CSConcentrating EIS
I am not sure if caffeine consumption makes any difference or not.
There are lots of chemicals which can act as a developer, I simply named
caffeine as one example to show how easy it could be to have a developer
in the blood. I suspect that there are a number of chemicals that would
also support the process in blood independent of any food or drink that
is consumed. It would be an interesting, but time consuming, project to
try and find out what components of blood can act as a developer.
Anothr common chemical that can be used is vitamin C
http://www.shutterbug.com/content/coffee-tea-or-vitamin-cbrkitchen-chemistry-darkroom
Since some derivatives of amino acids also act as developers, it is
quite likely that some amino acids in the blood would as well. My
assumption is that it is highly likely that one or more chemicals
present in anyone's blood would suffice.
Marshall
On 9/16/2011 6:08 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:11:40 -0400
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSConcentrating EIS
[Argria is caused by the photographic process where in an
alkaline environment and a developer, such as caffeine, silver atoms
plate out from a silver compound causing a particle to grow until it
becomes caught in the tissues.]
Marshall, can I ask you a question, or a couple of questions?
Not entering into any debate here, just a couple of simple questions.
Referring the you statement above, it appears an association between
EIS/CS and caffeine *may?* have a causative effect for argyria...Yes/No?
1. I assume you would be reffering to coffee...Yes/No? I believe you
would be coffee drinkers over there, not tea drinkers g {tea
contains caffeine too}.
2. If so, would/could you offer an opinion on how many cups of
coffee a day would be considered necessary to show any argyria effect?
3. Is it possible, in your opinion, that this may be dependant on
particular EIS/CS solutions ingested?
4. Is it also possible that this would be dependant on which form of
coffee is consumed? Brewed or instant?
I am aware that these questions may not be easy to answer, if there
ARE any known answers, but as you have made the suggestion or
inferrrence I figured you may have some information to go with it?
I can explain the reason for my questions if necessary.
N.
Marshall
~David
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Re: CSConcentrating EIS
Your ideas about caffeine may be related in some manner to this new report:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110815162337.htm
The idea is that caffeine inhibits skin cancer in some way.Perhaps as a
developer it absorbs some damaging UV radiation, in the mechanism of cancer
inhibition, if real, is at least partially related to that phenomenon.
On 2011/09/17, at 12:20, Marshall wrote:
I am not sure if caffeine consumption makes any difference or not. There
are lots of chemicals which can act as a developer, I simply named caffeine
as one example to show how easy it could be to have a developer in the blood.
I suspect that there are a number of chemicals that would also support the
process in blood independent of any food or drink that is consumed. It would
be an interesting, but time consuming, project to try and find out what
components of blood can act as a developer.
Anothr common chemical that can be used is vitamin C
http://www.shutterbug.com/content/coffee-tea-or-vitamin-cbrkitchen-chemistry-darkroom
Since some derivatives of amino acids also act as developers, it is quite
likely that some amino acids in the blood would as well. My assumption is
that it is highly likely that one or more chemicals present in anyone's blood
would suffice.
Marshall
On 9/16/2011 6:08 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:11:40 -0400
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSConcentrating EIS
[Argria is caused by the photographic process where in an
alkaline environment and a developer, such as caffeine, silver atoms
plate out from a silver compound causing a particle to grow until it
becomes caught in the tissues.]
Marshall, can I ask you a question, or a couple of questions?
Not entering into any debate here, just a couple of simple questions.
Referring the you statement above, it appears an association between EIS/CS
and caffeine *may?* have a causative effect for argyria...Yes/No?
1. I assume you would be reffering to coffee...Yes/No? I believe you would
be coffee drinkers over there, not tea drinkers g {tea contains caffeine
too}.
2. If so, would/could you offer an opinion on how many cups of coffee a day
would be considered necessary to show any argyria effect?
3. Is it possible, in your opinion, that this may be dependant on particular
EIS/CS solutions ingested?
4. Is it also possible that this would be dependant on which form of coffee
is consumed? Brewed or instant?
I am aware that these questions may not be easy to answer, if there ARE any
known answers, but as you have made the suggestion or inferrrence I figured
you may have some information to go with it?
I can explain the reason for my questions if necessary.
N.
Marshall
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Re: CSOT - lymphatics
Depends on what you are looking for. If they can move up and down (as in the knees work) the easiest way, through Brooks Bradley's instructions, are to stand in a doorway, holding the sides of the door frame, stand on tip toes and then drop down suddenly, bending the knees slightly. Do this a number of times. This is as good as using a mini-trampoline. If the person cannot do this at all, they can get a mini trampoline and sit on it and gently bounce up and down, as this too will move lymph. There is a method of lymph brushing with the hands. Dr. West has videos on it that you can purchase. I don't know if there are any demos of it on youtube. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- I know the best way to move lymphatics is to exercise but for someone who cannot do that very well does anyone have any alternative suggestions. I know someone in this situation and would like to be able to offer some suggestions.
Re: CSOT - lymphatics
Oh, I should have added skin brushing, starting from the feet and working upwards towards the heart, then at the fingertips and brushing towards the heart. Always towards the heart.
RE: CSConcentrating EIS
Oh, OK, yep yep. Thanks.
N.
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 23:20:07 -0400
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSConcentrating EIS
I am not sure if caffeine consumption makes any difference or not. There are
lots of chemicals which can act as a developer, I simply named caffeine as one
example to show how easy it could be to have a developer in the blood. I
suspect that there are a number of chemicals that would also support the
process in blood independent of any food or drink that is consumed. It would
be an interesting, but time consuming, project to try and find out what
components of blood can act as a developer.
Anothr common chemical that can be used is vitamin C
http://www.shutterbug.com/content/coffee-tea-or-vitamin-cbrkitchen-chemistry-darkroom
Since some derivatives of amino acids also act as developers, it is quite
likely that some amino acids in the blood would as well. My assumption is that
it is highly likely that one or more chemicals present in anyone's blood would
suffice.
Marshall
On 9/16/2011 6:08 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:11:40 -0400
From: mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSConcentrating EIS
[Argria is caused by the photographic process where in an
alkaline environment and a developer, such as caffeine, silver atoms
plate out from a silver compound causing a particle to grow until it
becomes caught in the tissues.]
Marshall, can I ask you a question, or a couple of questions?
Not entering into any debate here, just a couple of simple questions.
Referring the you statement above, it appears an association between EIS/CS and
caffeine *may?* have a causative effect for argyria...Yes/No?
1. I assume you would be reffering to coffee...Yes/No? I believe you would be
coffee drinkers over there, not tea drinkers g {tea contains caffeine too}.
2. If so, would/could you offer an opinion on how many cups of coffee a day
would be considered necessary to show any argyria effect?
3. Is it possible, in your opinion, that this may be dependant on particular
EIS/CS solutions ingested?
4. Is it also possible that this would be dependant on which form of coffee is
consumed? Brewed or instant?
I am aware that these questions may not be easy to answer, if there ARE any
known answers, but as you have made the suggestion or inferrrence I figured you
may have some information to go with it?
I can explain the reason for my questions if necessary.
N.
Marshall
~David
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