Re: CSnutrasilver experience
If you read the ABL patent, it mentions the use of hydrogen peroxide, electrodes and electricity. If you use peroxide in a *fresh* batch of EIS [home made CS] it will instantly turn dark brown. Meso-Silver is also dark brown. ..ya don't suppose Ode At 05:31 PM 12/20/2011 -0800, you wrote: That is from ABL. I tried it under the label ASAP 30 PPM. Their patent claims the nanoparticles are coated in Ag4O4 incidentally as a result of the process. I would not know how to verify the claim though. The product did not help me though. Ag4O4 perhaps has different arrangements also? Ag4O4 as an isolated chemical in higher amounts would be a completely different product. People mention it from time to time, and I would be interested in trying it if someone can guide me how to do so (i.e. how to obtain it and take it) David On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Bob Banever mailto:bbane...@earthlink.netbbane...@earthlink.net wrote: David, Have you tried silver tetroxide? I've found this form of silver to be very effective for infections. It's made by a company called Guardian and they claim it is only 10ppm but it works quite well. Cleared a food poisoning I had in about 4 or 5 hours. Bob From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 4:53 PM To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSnutrasilver experience So I got a bottle. Though it says nothing clear on the paperwork, it is claimed nanoparticles of silver from 2 to 20nm @ 3600PPM Physical observations: -dark brown liquid. -When added to water, it has a tendency to sink, indicating the particles are clumped together - I punctured the top of the bottle with a diaper pin. The instructions were to do so with a toothpick. Then drops come out of this hole. I estimate I am only getting 300 to 400 drops out of this bottle. There is a claimed 600 per bottle (which is the standard drop count for 1 fl. oz.). I don't think using a toothpick would have yielded 600 drops. Results: 60 drops gives me some intestinal herx, and couple days of taking 60 drops once a day, I notice some very slight overall health improvements. No systemic herx however. Could provide some more incremental improvement for me due to killing bartonella in the intestines, but it will not be able to handle the systemic problem. It is noteworthy that I get any results at all, as at present, no other silver product does so for me. Though EIS does prevent me from backsliding systemically. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Re: CSnutrasilver experience
Ya don't suppose what? I am planning to begin a regiment of nebulizing CS, with a couple drops of 3% h202 in the near future. I have had brief experience with oral ingestion in the past, had good results, but got distracted and didn't follow through. Nebulizing I think, is the best way to get it where it needs to go. Any tips would be appreciated. On Dec 21, 2011 2:59am, Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net wrote: If you read the ABL patent, it mentions the use of hydrogen peroxide, electrodes and electricity. If you use peroxide in a *fresh* batch of EIS [home made CS] it will instantly turn dark brown. Meso-Silver is also dark brown. ..ya don't suppose Ode At 05:31 PM 12/20/2011 -0800, you wrote: That is from ABL. I tried it under the label ASAP 30 PPM. Their patent claims the nanoparticles are coated in Ag4O4 incidentally as a result of the process. I would not know how to verify the claim though. The product did not help me though. Ag4O4 perhaps has different arrangements also? Ag4O4 as an isolated chemical in higher amounts would be a completely different product. People mention it from time to time, and I would be interested in trying it if someone can guide me how to do so (ie how to obtain it and take it) David On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.netbbane...@earthlink.net wrote: David, Have you tried silver tetroxide? I've found this form of silver to be very effective for infections. It's made by a company called Guardian and they claim it is only 10ppm but it works quite well. Cleared a food poisoning I had in about 4 or 5 hours. Bob From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 4:53 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSnutrasilver experience So I got a bottle. Though it says nothing clear on the paperwork, it is claimed nanoparticles of silver from 2 to 20nm @ 3600PPM Physical observations: -dark brown liquid. -When added to water, it has a tendency to sink, indicating the particles are clumped together - I punctured the top of the bottle with a diaper pin. The instructions were to do so with a toothpick. Then drops come out of this hole. I estimate I am only getting 300 to 400 drops out of this bottle. There is a claimed 600 per bottle (which is the standard drop count for 1 fl. oz.). I don't think using a toothpick would have yielded 600 drops. Results: 60 drops gives me some intestinal herx, and couple days of taking 60 drops once a day, I notice some very slight overall health improvements. No systemic herx however. Could provide some more incremental improvement for me due to killing bartonella in the intestines, but it will not be able to handle the systemic problem. It is noteworthy that I get any results at all, as at present, no other silver product does so for me. Though EIS does prevent me from backsliding systemically. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOT - magnets and FIR
Hi, For those interested I found an article by Michael Tierra at this address http://www.discoverymagnets.co.uk/bioflow_science2.htm I also want to share my experience with FIR (far infrared) items. I have used a TDP FIR lamp for years. They are great but they are confining as you have to get the heat to the right area and they can be uncomfortable and overheat the skin, etc. The items that I found at www.backontrack.com (horse pillow leg wraps and neck wrap) and www.firheals.com (shawl/scarf) have been amazing at making pain management easier to manage on a daily basis. For back pain it is as simple as putting one of the leg wraps on a comfortable chair while reading. I'm not saying that everyone will have the same response as I have to start but read through the sites and make your own decisions. They both have decent return policies and I am not affiliated with them in any way. PT
Re: Re: CSnutrasilver experience
I think Ode means *Ya don't suppose that Nutrasilver is nothing more than EIS like we make ourselves, with hydrogen peroxide added to a fresh batch and then bottled. Rather than it being something *special* like they'd like us to think. Have I got that right Ode? MA From: ajr...@gmail.com ajr...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, December 21, 2011 5:12:33 AM Subject: Re: Re: CSnutrasilver experience Ya don't suppose what? I am planning to begin a regiment of nebulizing CS, with a couple drops of 3% h202 in the near future. I have had brief experience with oral ingestion in the past, had good results, but got distracted and didn't follow through. Nebulizing I think, is the best way to get it where it needs to go. Any tips would be appreciated. On Dec 21, 2011 2:59am, Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net wrote: If you read the ABL patent, it mentions the use of hydrogen peroxide, electrodes and electricity. If you use peroxide in a *fresh* batch of EIS [home made CS] it will instantly turn dark brown. Meso-Silver is also dark brown. ..ya don't suppose Ode At 05:31 PM 12/20/2011 -0800, you wrote: That is from ABL. I tried it under the label ASAP 30 PPM. Their patent claims the nanoparticles are coated in Ag4O4 incidentally as a result of the process. I would not know how to verify the claim though. The product did not help me though. Ag4O4 perhaps has different arrangements also? Ag4O4 as an isolated chemical in higher amounts would be a completely different product. People mention it from time to time, and I would be interested in trying it if someone can guide me how to do so (i.e. how to obtain it and take it) David On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.netbbane...@earthlink.net wrote: David, Have you tried silver tetroxide? I've found this form of silver to be very effective for infections. It's made by a company called Guardian and they claim it is only 10ppm but it works quite well. Cleared a food poisoning I had in about 4 or 5 hours. Bob From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 4:53 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSnutrasilver experience So I got a bottle. Though it says nothing clear on the paperwork, it is claimed nanoparticles of silver from 2 to 20nm @ 3600PPM Physical observations: -dark brown liquid. -When added to water, it has a tendency to sink, indicating the particles are clumped together - I punctured the top of the bottle with a diaper pin. The instructions were to do so with a toothpick. Then drops come out of this hole. I estimate I am only getting 300 to 400 drops out of this bottle. There is a claimed 600 per bottle (which is the standard drop count for 1 fl. oz.). I don't think using a toothpick would have yielded 600 drops. Results: 60 drops gives me some intestinal herx, and couple days of taking 60 drops once a day, I notice some very slight overall health improvements. No systemic herx however. Could provide some more incremental improvement for me due to killing bartonella in the intestines, but it will not be able to handle the systemic problem. It is noteworthy that I get any results at all, as at present, no other silver product does so for me. Though EIS does prevent me from backsliding systemically. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #387
I had an old typewritten genealogy that I wanted to put in a file, and downloaded freeocr. I installed it and it really works quite well. It will scan and convert, no need to make jpgs or upload anything. Marshall On 12/20/2011 7:21 PM, HARSHA GODAVARI wrote: Use a digital camera to photograph each page, and upload the resulting *.jpgs. The job will be done in no time at all and you can reuse your SDcard again. There is atleast one free program (for WIN_XP newer WINs)to convert those *.jpgs to *.pdf Certainly faster than scanning and cheaper than photocopying. regards hg - Original Message - From: gaiac...@gmail.com gaiac...@gmail.com Date: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 4:58 pm Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #387 To: silver-list@eskimo.com I don't think I could scan it. There are a LOT of pages, all 8x10. I forget how much it cost me to have the 2 books copied. When I find them I ll let you know as I can go down and have it priced out, but really, though he has a lot of other good info in there, most of what he says is in Peter's book, only Peter's is more detailed on the placements. Also, just so you know, it's very religious slanted. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- If you find it do you think it could be scanned into a PDF? Either that or photcopied and I could paypal you to cover copying and mailing?? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnets-No Ceramics?
Renee, why not the ceramic magnets? I used to use those at the diretction of my acupuncturist (40 years ago) and they worked fine. Gayla - Original Message - From: gaiac...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:13 PM Subject: Re: CSMagnets Hey Melly. I'm sure there must be other magnets with the same gauss as Peter's, but I can't say if they are the same size. His size (except for the largest ones) are very convienent to use and 'hide'. Some magnets with the same gauss are larger. Each size of Peter's magnets are a different strength. It's hard to say though about other magnet's strength/gauss, because I've read where many dealers will post the gauss that is in the middle of the magnet (where both poles meet) and while this is the strongest, by the time the magnetic energy reaches the surface of the magnet, the gauss drops. So they should really be posting the surface gauss--which is what Peter does. But since they don't it makes it hard to compare. But just remember--any strong neodymium will work, if you already have some on hand. Don't bother with ceramic magnets--you want the neos, also called rare earth. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- While magnets are available elsewhere, is the gauss the same as those sold by Peter? How many gauss does the biomagscience magnets have? Thanks. Melly
RE: CSMagnets-No Ceramics?
Ceramic magnets work just fine. I have used them for many years. The downside is if you drop them you have lots of little magnets and magnetic dust! :-) PT From: Gayla Roberts [mailto:aera...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:23 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMagnets-No Ceramics? Renee, why not the ceramic magnets? I used to use those at the diretction of my acupuncturist (40 years ago) and they worked fine. Gayla - Original Message - From: gaiac...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:13 PM Subject: Re: CSMagnets Hey Melly. I'm sure there must be other magnets with the same gauss as Peter's, but I can't say if they are the same size. His size (except for the largest ones) are very convienent to use and 'hide'. Some magnets with the same gauss are larger. Each size of Peter's magnets are a different strength. It's hard to say though about other magnet's strength/gauss, because I've read where many dealers will post the gauss that is in the middle of the magnet (where both poles meet) and while this is the strongest, by the time the magnetic energy reaches the surface of the magnet, the gauss drops. So they should really be posting the surface gauss--which is what Peter does. But since they don't it makes it hard to compare. But just remember--any strong neodymium will work, if you already have some on hand. Don't bother with ceramic magnets--you want the neos, also called rare earth. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- While magnets are available elsewhere, is the gauss the same as those sold by Peter? How many gauss does the biomagscience magnets have? Thanks. Melly No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1890 / Virus Database: 2109/4694 - Release Date: 12/21/11
RE: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #387
Do you have a link for that free OCR software, Marshall? Thanks. PT -Original Message- From: Marshall [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:21 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #387 I had an old typewritten genealogy that I wanted to put in a file, and downloaded freeocr. I installed it and it really works quite well. It will scan and convert, no need to make jpgs or upload anything. Marshall On 12/20/2011 7:21 PM, HARSHA GODAVARI wrote: Use a digital camera to photograph each page, and upload the resulting *.jpgs. The job will be done in no time at all and you can reuse your SDcard again. There is atleast one free program (for WIN_XP newer WINs)to convert those *.jpgs to *.pdf Certainly faster than scanning and cheaper than photocopying. regards hg - Original Message - From: gaiac...@gmail.com gaiac...@gmail.com Date: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 4:58 pm Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #387 To: silver-list@eskimo.com I don't think I could scan it. There are a LOT of pages, all 8x10. I forget how much it cost me to have the 2 books copied. When I find them I ll let you know as I can go down and have it priced out, but really, though he has a lot of other good info in there, most of what he says is in Peter's book, only Peter's is more detailed on the placements. Also, just so you know, it's very religious slanted. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- If you find it do you think it could be scanned into a PDF? Either that or photcopied and I could paypal you to cover copying and mailing?? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1890 / Virus Database: 2109/4694 - Release Date: 12/21/11
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #387
Thanks Marshall. I will check on Google for the URL. regards hg - Original Message - From: Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:23 am Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #387 To: silver-list@eskimo.com I had an old typewritten genealogy that I wanted to put in a file, and downloaded freeocr. I installed it and it really works quite well. It will scan and convert, no need to make jpgs or upload anything. Marshall On 12/20/2011 7:21 PM, HARSHA GODAVARI wrote: Use a digital camera to photograph each page, and upload the resulting *.jpgs. The job will be done in no time at all and you can reuse your SDcard again. There is atleast one free program (for WIN_XP newer WINs)to convert those *.jpgs to *.pdf Certainly faster than scanning and cheaper than photocopying. regards hg - Original Message - From: gaiac...@gmail.com gaiac...@gmail.com Date: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 4:58 pm Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #387 To: silver-list@eskimo.com I don't think I could scan it. There are a LOT of pages, all 8x10. I forget how much it cost me to have the 2 books copied. When I find them I ll let you know as I can go down and have it priced out, but really, though he has a lot of other good info in there, most of what he says is in Peter's book, only Peter's is more detailed on the placements. Also, just so you know, it's very religious slanted. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- If you find it do you think it could be scanned into a PDF? Either that or photcopied and I could paypal you to cover copying and mailing?? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver- l...@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnets
Thanks Melly. Maybe that's what Peter said, too. I just can't remember, but I do remember that he thought continual use of plain magnets the best. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- Thank you Renee and PT for your advice. Again, i will repeat what i have read about pulsers. If the Hz is not high enough, it can even make the cancer grow. From what i understand the good Hz is 30,000+. Very expensive though. Melly
RE: CSMagnets-No Ceramics?
Right! ---Original Message--- Ceramic magnets work just fine. I have used them for many years. The downside is if you drop them you have lots of little magnets and magnetic dust! :-)
Re: Re: CSnutrasilver experience
Just clarifying, the nutrasilver is dark brown. The ASAP (from ABL) is clear. The ASAP is made by HVAC something or the other if I remember right. The nutrasilver process is not known to us. I doubt it is just adding peroxide, as the silver taste is really quite strong. It stains the cup yellow in the grooves also, but it comes of with a scrub. David
CSWhat exactly is plating out
So say for example you have some silver snowflakes growing on the bottom of your finished jar of EIS. What actually entices silver ions in that solution to give up an electron and become metallic, stuck to the rest of the snowflake. How might this apply in vivo also. I recall Marshall's write up suggested that particles provide sites of nucleation (which I guess just means places for plateout to start?), and silver chloride plateouts out on them. And it does not matter that the particles are not metallic silver as in the case of the snowflake? David
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #387
What are the general parameters that can be decided in the use of magnets? I can think of: 1. Placement of magnets (i.e. near an injury, tumor...I gather also important to consider location of energy meridians) 2. Length of use 3. Which pole to use 4. Strength profile of the magnet. As I understand, it is necessary to chart the field strength in gauss as a function of distance from the surface of the magnet. For example, some magnets have unbelievably high gauss rating at the surface, but taper off into almost nothing within an inch or so. That may be useless for a tumor in the center of the body, but most useful for a skin cancer for example. Then some magnets have lower gauss ratings, but do not decline all that fast with distance, even after going away 10 or 12 inches. This type of magnet may not be as good for say a skin cancer, but better for a internal tumor, etc. So am I getting it correctly? David
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #387
Dr G Gordon who studied magnets with a variance from the medical association said the same as what you said. In order to penetrate they needed to be pulsed. He then developed the EM-Pulse and received permission to treat fractures. Brickey In a message dated 12/21/2011 12:02:40 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, aubuchon.da...@gmail.com writes: That may be useless for a tumor in the center of the body, but most useful for a skin cancer for example. Then some magnets
Re: magnetic pulser, was Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #387
David AuBuchon wrote: PEMF and magnetic mattresses are two other magnetic applications. What is PEMF? thanks, sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: magnetic pulser, was Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #387
PEMF stands for Pulsed Electromagnetic Frequencies. -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: magnetic pulser, was Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #387 David AuBuchon wrote: PEMF and magnetic mattresses are two other magnetic applications. What is PEMF? thanks, sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #387
Interesting David, about the strength for skin or internal cancers. I know with the big magnets in Peter's kit that you can place on on the side of your body, and on the opposite side it will move a compass needle, so the pull on good strong magnets is much greater than you'd think. Enough to reach' into the middle of the body at least. Everything else is right. But now I'm interested in your idea about internal and skin cancers, and so shall ask Peter about this. I just did ask him about magnets and cancer as that's not something that has been addressed in our group, and he said that most people report immediate (cancer) pain relief and stoppage of nausea from chemo and such. But this is interesting about whether or not they help with different cancers. As far as the other questions--placement is very important. Say you have a bruise on the arm. You may just need a magnet placed directly on the bruise But say you broke a bone in the arm--then you would want the correct pole placement on one magnet above the break one one side of the arm and a different pole placement below the break on the other side of the arm. This stimulates the flow of energy through the break. But for length of time this is not so important. You will know if you take it off too soon because pain comes back. If you leave it on longer than necessary there's no damage done. Strength is good--the stronger the better, but as PT stated, it's not always necessary to have super strong mags. Weak ones will work too. Use what you have! Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- What are the general parameters that can be decided in the use of magnets? I can think of: 1. Placement of magnets (i.e. near an injury, tumor...I gather also important to consider location of energy meridians) 2. Length of use 3. Which pole to use 4. Strength profile of the magnet.
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #387
So regarding cancer, I looked into it in the past, and found a Dr. Phillpot (spelling?) now deceased. I ordered some of his printed reports, and the gist of it is if I recall correcty, if you expose all areas of a tumor to at least 20 gauss for 30 days continuously, using the correct magnet pole, then the tumor will be dead by then according to his clinical experience. He had a number of colleagues. One is Dr. Dean Bonlie (I think he is a dentist technically). He has a company called magnetico sleep. They sell magnetic mattresses. The highest end model I looked into and found out that if you sleep on one of those, you are covering your entire body all night long with around 15 gauss, based on how far you are from the surface of the magnet, and the guass profile they gave me as a function of distance from the surface of the magnet. I spoke with Dr. Bonlie on the phone and he told me that although Dr. Phillpot did great work, towards the end of his life, he lost mental clarity, and did not make it clear that there is some potential harm in using magnets next to the skin, as the field from the other pole (the one you don't want) still wraps around and gets the body a little. This is why the magnetico sleep pads go UNDER the mattress. The mattress is a buffer that keeps you far enough away to not be exposed to the bad magnetic field that is wrapping around from the other pole. Then you are left with only being exposed to the good field. Also, my friend Scott recently published this excellent article on PEMF. Makes me really want to get one ($20,000 for the best unit though!) Maybe someday. (IT IS A PDF): http://www.publichealthalert.org/pdf/2012_01.pdf David
Re: CSThe Silvercell process?
I guess it's appropriate for me to chime in. I have made ionic silver as high as 50+ PPM using the SG7 as measured with a Hanna PWT meter. Some is stored in glass and some in 2 liter cola bottles. It was measured at 45+ PPM. A couple of them have a slight golden color indicating a small amount of agglomeration. I use vigorous water movement to avoid what Mike M calls the Nernst layer. If it's there it is certainly very thin. I check them every couple of years and some have drifted down a small amount. I relate microsiemens directly to PPM, having correlated them many years ago by lab analysis. It tuned out that 1 uS equals 1 PPM. That's when we started sell the meters for use as ionic/colloidal silver PPM meters. We distilled our well water using a Barnstead lab still. As I recall the water was under 1 microsiemen. There is a minor amount of fallout besides the small drop in PPM. No plateout so we Consider the water as having unlimited shelf life. It is about 11 years old now. Trem - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 6:12 PM Subject: Re: CSThe Silvercell process? It could be, though I am also skeptical. Natural Immunogenics for example only has 23PPM with all their years of work. And that is also suspiciously close to one hypothetical upper bound of roughly 26PPM (13PPM silver oxide, 13 PPM silverhydroxide). This lends credence to that hypothetical upper bound (without using ultra low current density like Mike is doing, that is). How is the 40PPM measured on the SilverGen? A built in meter? Short of getting a batch lab-analyzed, the correctness and relevance of the reading that that meter gives would need to be validated. The conductance drop over time after the batch is finished would also need to be viewed. Also visible plateout or fallout. Also potential contamination sources. David On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Alan Jones alanmjo...@gmail.com wrote: Would you mind sharing more details on this? How small must the batch be? How pure must the water be? -Alan On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au wrote: Anyway, I've made 40+ ppm CS with a Silverpuppy in the past. Its not that hard. Its just a matter of using very pure water and keeping the batch size small. Trem has also said he's made 40+ with a Silvergen. Mike would dispute this of course. David -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)
Re: CSThe Silvercell process?
Well, so much for spell checking. I apologize for the errors but I'm sure you can tell what I meant. Trem - Original Message - From: Trem To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 6:44 PM Subject: Re: CSThe Silvercell process? I guess it's appropriate for me to chime in. I have made ionic silver as high as 50+ PPM using the SG7 as measured with a Hanna PWT meter. Some is stored in glass and some in 2 liter cola bottles. It was measured at 45+ PPM. A couple of them have a slight golden color indicating a small amount of agglomeration. I use vigorous water movement to avoid what Mike M calls the Nernst layer. If it's there it is certainly very thin. I check them every couple of years and some have drifted down a small amount. I relate microsiemens directly to PPM, having correlated them many years ago by lab analysis. It tuned out that 1 uS equals 1 PPM. That's when we started sell the meters for use as ionic/colloidal silver PPM meters. We distilled our well water using a Barnstead lab still. As I recall the water was under 1 microsiemen. There is a minor amount of fallout besides the small drop in PPM. No plateout so we Consider the water as having unlimited shelf life. It is about 11 years old now. Trem - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 6:12 PM Subject: Re: CSThe Silvercell process? It could be, though I am also skeptical. Natural Immunogenics for example only has 23PPM with all their years of work. And that is also suspiciously close to one hypothetical upper bound of roughly 26PPM (13PPM silver oxide, 13 PPM silverhydroxide). This lends credence to that hypothetical upper bound (without using ultra low current density like Mike is doing, that is). How is the 40PPM measured on the SilverGen? A built in meter? Short of getting a batch lab-analyzed, the correctness and relevance of the reading that that meter gives would need to be validated. The conductance drop over time after the batch is finished would also need to be viewed. Also visible plateout or fallout. Also potential contamination sources. David On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Alan Jones alanmjo...@gmail.com wrote: Would you mind sharing more details on this? How small must the batch be? How pure must the water be? -Alan On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au wrote: Anyway, I've made 40+ ppm CS with a Silverpuppy in the past. Its not that hard. Its just a matter of using very pure water and keeping the batch size small. Trem has also said he's made 40+ with a Silvergen. Mike would dispute this of course. David -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)
Re: CSThe Silvercell process?
This is interesting as this suggest that while there is a limit to how much AgOH can dissolve, there may be a totally different (if not no theoretical limit) for how much Ag+ and OH- can be in solution (i.e. not as a result of dissolving AgOH). Can that physically/chemically make sense? Perhaps it is as Mike suggests in that whatever AgOH is formed is done so immediately in the so called nernst diffusion layer. This would imply that the drop in conductance after a batch finishes is caused by something entirely different than AgOH forming. What could be causing the drop then? And why is it less pronounced in the higher density EIS? (perhaps some of the conductance drop is not seen in the higher PPM EIS, as it is actually obscured by the still overall increasing conductance since the higher PPM EIS is being processed for a much longer time?) This could also explain a mechanism of particle formation as AgOH clumps right at the site of the electrode? just talking out of something David
