RE: CSJuice fasts...
I would suggest the movie May I Be Frank and all of the Cafe Gratitude books and restaurants are excellent sources for all things raw and veggie. From: mdev...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 16:36:47 -0500 Subject: CSJuice fasts... Hi folks, Seeing as how quiet things have been for several days, I'd like to toss a subject into the ring... Anybody got experience or observed others doing juice fasts or other variants on a mostly to all raw veggie, nut, fruit diet, with perhaps just a little dairy/eggs/fish thrown in? I'm talking on the order of 80% raw or more? What's the longest pure juice fast you've done or seen? Areas I'm most interested in are how they handled willpower issues, getting along with immediate family, excellent resources, and I don't know what else? There's a documentary called Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead on Hulu that offers some good inspiration. Any other media, books, websites? What sort of results have you seen and what kind of conditions have shown improvement... or not? Thanks! Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJuice fasts...
Interesting that you bring this up Mike as I just started a juice diet today. I have someone on another list that has used juice fasts to lose weight successfully. What I am doing is juicing for lunch and dinner and having a Garden of Life shake first thing in the a.m. I mix this with hemp powder, pomegranate juice, coconut water, pineapple and a banana. I am taking a tablespoon of MCT oil with each meal. Teri At 04:36 PM 2/5/2013, you wrote: Hi folks, Seeing as how quiet things have been for several days, I'd like to toss a subject into the ring... Anybody got experience or observed others doing juice fasts or other variants on a mostly to all raw veggie, nut, fruit diet, with perhaps just a little dairy/eggs/fish thrown in? I'm talking on the order of 80% raw or more? What's the longest pure juice fast you've done or seen? Areas I'm most interested in are how they handled willpower issues, getting along with immediate family, excellent resources, and I don't know what else? There's a documentary called Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead on Hulu that offers some good inspiration. Any other media, books, websites? What sort of results have you seen and what kind of conditions have shown improvement... or not? Thanks! Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJuice fasts...
Hi Mike, I don't do juice fasts because when I was in Acupuncture school we saw too many long term vegetarians and raw foodists with severe health issues whose systems had to be trained to digest other foods again. Digestion is basically a fermentation process. That means that when we eat our bodies must bring the temperature (physical and thermodynamic) of the food to the temperature of the body in order to ferment/digest it. If the food is physically or thermodynamically cold it must be warmed and that takes energy. Over time the digestive system becomes impacted and functions less efficiently and health issues ensue. Very simplified to be sure but still true. PT From: M.G. Devour mdev...@gmail.com To: silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, February 5, 2013 4:37:20 PM Subject: CSJuice fasts... Hi folks, Seeing as how quiet things have been for several days, I'd like to toss a subject into the ring... Anybody got experience or observed others doing juice fasts or other variants on a mostly to all raw veggie, nut, fruit diet, with perhaps just a little dairy/eggs/fish thrown in? I'm talking on the order of 80% raw or more? What's the longest pure juice fast you've done or seen? Areas I'm most interested in are how they handled willpower issues, getting along with immediate family, excellent resources, and I don't know what else? There's a documentary called Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead on Hulu that offers some good inspiration. Any other media, books, websites? What sort of results have you seen and what kind of conditions have shown improvement... or not? Thanks! Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSJuice fasts...
PT. Juice fasts can be very beneficial for those who are overheating or have too much fire or yang. Many people are like that which is why juice fasting can be so beneficial. I would agree that cold, and empty yin conditions would not benefit or might get worse. Certainly eating cold food such as ice cream, smoothies, etc are never beneficial except in those people who might temporarily benefit from eating cold and/or raw food. Generally, eating a balance of raw/cooked food is good for everyone. It is always important to chew your food well and eat organically raised food as much as possible. Chewing cooks the food before it goes down and enzymes in the food and saliva break it down further. Where did you get your acupuncture training? I taught for 6 years at The New England School of Acupuncture. Cheers. _ From: PT Ferrance [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:57 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSJuice fasts... Hi Mike, I don't do juice fasts because when I was in Acupuncture school we saw too many long term vegetarians and raw foodists with severe health issues whose systems had to be trained to digest other foods again. Digestion is basically a fermentation process. That means that when we eat our bodies must bring the temperature (physical and thermodynamic) of the food to the temperature of the body in order to ferment/digest it. If the food is physically or thermodynamically cold it must be warmed and that takes energy. Over time the digestive system becomes impacted and functions less efficiently and health issues ensue. Very simplified to be sure but still true. PT _ From: M.G. Devour mdev...@gmail.com To: silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, February 5, 2013 4:37:20 PM Subject: CSJuice fasts... Hi folks, Seeing as how quiet things have been for several days, I'd like to toss a subject into the ring... Anybody got experience or observed others doing juice fasts or other variants on a mostly to all raw veggie, nut, fruit diet, with perhaps just a little dairy/eggs/fish thrown in? I'm talking on the order of 80% raw or more? What's the longest pure juice fast you've done or seen? Areas I'm most interested in are how they handled willpower issues, getting along with immediate family, excellent resources, and I don't know what else? There's a documentary called Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead on Hulu that offers some good inspiration. Any other media, books, websites? What sort of results have you seen and what kind of conditions have shown improvement... or not? Thanks! Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJuice fasts...
Hi Mike: I agree with Bob, here. I wouldn't want to discourage anyone from doing a cleansing diet who could benefit from such a regime. There is a problem for some eating foods that are too cooling; this probably isn't you, however. Rather than just approach the issue with fruits/veggies, I do recommend a balanced meal, though... which isn't as difficult as it may seem. Adding undenatured whey protein rather than eggs is a good idea, for example. Also, rather than adding fish, consider balancing your fats. I've seen unbelievable results with lipid replacement therapy. Lipid replacement therapy will also take care of your willpower problems, as the body works to get over carb addiction. Drinking copious amounts of lemon water will also knock sugar cravings down, and make life a bit more comfortable handling detox reactions... the lemon is a blood and liver cleanser, as well as an alkalizing agent. Lipid replacement therapy results in a vast reduction in appetite. As the body literally ejects bad fats in favor of high quality fats, toxins are also removed (stored in fat). The body's cleansing processes become a priority, reducing appetite, almost like a herx reaction. The reaction can be managed simply by adjusting the amount lipids taken (for thiry days, I took lipids 3X daily... lost too much weight, had to normalize intake). Individuals who do things like 1+ tablespoonfuls of coconut oil are doing lipid replacement therapy. Spend some time researching this issue and I think you'll find it fascinating. I started studying it because I was running into some neurological problems. 30 days of lipid balancing and all of the problems were gone. Fatty acid and amino acid based therapies can be amazing. For my morning smoothy I use undenatured whey protein, almond milk, 1 tbs 4:1 ratio of organic sunflower oil and flax seed oil, and then my choice of antioxidants (a bit of fruit). You can easily adopt the above ideology to a veggie/fruit drink, keeping in mind that it is a very good idea to get enough dietary protein and fat in the morning... It takes fat to burn fat. In my opinion, it might be a better strategy to develop a health-supporting breakfast, a cleansing lunch (your veggie/fruit cleansing drink), and a light dinner as a regular lifestyle, once your done fasting. Too many people yo-yo. The trick is to break the body's addiction, and allow it to pass. ~Jason On 2/5/2013 6:25 PM, Bob Banever wrote: PT… Juice fasts can be very beneficial for those who are overheating or have too much fire or yang. Many people are like that which is why juice fasting can be so beneficial. I would agree that cold, and empty yin conditions would not benefit or might get worse. Certainly eating cold food such as ice cream, smoothies, etc are never beneficial except in those people who might temporarily benefit from eating cold and/or raw food. Generally, eating a balance of raw/cooked food is good for everyone. It is always important to chew your food well and eat organically raised food as much as possible. Chewing “cooks” the food before it goes down and enzymes in the food and saliva break it down further. Where did you get your acupuncture training? I taught for 6 years at The New England School of Acupuncture. Cheers. *From:*PT Ferrance [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] *Sent:* Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:57 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSJuice fasts... Hi Mike, I don't do juice fasts because when I was in Acupuncture school we saw too many long term vegetarians and raw foodists with severe health issues whose systems had to be trained to digest other foods again. Digestion is basically a fermentation process. That means that when we eat our bodies must bring the temperature (physical and thermodynamic) of the food to the temperature of the body in order to ferment/digest it. If the food is physically or thermodynamically cold it must be warmed and that takes energy. Over time the digestive system becomes impacted and functions less efficiently and health issues ensue. Very simplified to be sure but still true. PT *From:*M.G. Devour mdev...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tue, February 5, 2013 4:37:20 PM *Subject:* CSJuice fasts... Hi folks, Seeing as how quiet things have been for several days, I'd like to toss a subject into the ring... Anybody got experience or observed others doing juice fasts or other variants on a mostly to all raw veggie, nut, fruit diet, with perhaps just a little dairy/eggs/fish thrown in? I'm talking on the order of 80% raw or more? What's the longest pure juice fast you've done or seen? Areas I'm most interested in are how they handled willpower issues, getting along with immediate family, excellent resources, and I
Teri Re: CSJuice fasts...
Thanks for the MCT tip Teri one of the manufacurers here I have an account with produces it so I'll try it - do you think we need to do much exercise to fully benefit? Jane I am taking a tablespoon of MCT oil with each meal. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJuice fasts...
I agree with much of what you wrote but I don't think the average person can discriminate between Yin Fire or Yang Fire so avoiding extermist diets should be most helpful. Moderation in everything. PT From: Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, February 5, 2013 9:25:39 PM Subject: RE: CSJuice fasts... PT… Juice fasts can be very beneficial for those who are overheating or have too much fire or yang. Many people are like that which is why juice fasting can be so beneficial. I would agree that cold, and empty yin conditions would not benefit or might get worse. Certainly eating cold food such as ice cream, smoothies, etc are never beneficial except in those people who might temporarily benefit from eating cold and/or raw food. Generally, eating a balance of raw/cooked food is good for everyone. It is always important to chew your food well and eat organically raised food as much as possible. Chewing “cooks” the food before it goes down and enzymes in the food and saliva break it down further. Where did you get your acupuncture training? I taught for 6 years at The New England School of Acupuncture. Cheers. From:PT Ferrance [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:57 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSJuice fasts... Hi Mike, I don't do juice fasts because when I was in Acupuncture school we saw too many long term vegetarians and raw foodists with severe health issues whose systems had to be trained to digest other foods again. Digestion is basically a fermentation process. That means that when we eat our bodies must bring the temperature (physical and thermodynamic) of the food to the temperature of the body in order to ferment/digest it. If the food is physically or thermodynamically cold it must be warmed and that takes energy. Over time the digestive system becomes impacted and functions less efficiently and health issues ensue. Very simplified to be sure but still true. PT From:M.G. Devour mdev...@gmail.com To: silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, February 5, 2013 4:37:20 PM Subject: CSJuice fasts... Hi folks, Seeing as how quiet things have been for several days, I'd like to toss a subject into the ring... Anybody got experience or observed others doing juice fasts or other variants on a mostly to all raw veggie, nut, fruit diet, with perhaps just a little dairy/eggs/fish thrown in? I'm talking on the order of 80% raw or more? What's the longest pure juice fast you've done or seen? Areas I'm most interested in are how they handled willpower issues, getting along with immediate family, excellent resources, and I don't know what else? There's a documentary called Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead on Hulu that offers some good inspiration. Any other media, books, websites? What sort of results have you seen and what kind of conditions have shown improvement... or not? Thanks! Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Teri Re: CSJuice fasts...
Couldn't you just use coconut oil? Jaxi On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.netwrote: Thanks for the MCT tip Teri one of the manufacurers here I have an account with produces it so I'll try it - do you think we need to do much exercise to fully benefit? Jane I am taking a tablespoon of MCT oil with each meal. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-request@**eskimo.com silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=**unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**silver-list@eskimo.com/** maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-list@**eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJuice fasts...
There's a movie called 'Fat Sick and Nearly Dead'. An overweight Austrailian does a juice fast, on a trip across America. It can be watched free on Hulu. http://www.fatsickandnearlydead.com/ http://www.hulu.com/watch/289122 -Original Message- From: M.G. Devour Sent: Tuesday, 05 February, 2013 15:36 To: silver-list Subject: CSJuice fasts... Hi folks, Seeing as how quiet things have been for several days, I'd like to toss a subject into the ring... Anybody got experience or observed others doing juice fasts or other variants on a mostly to all raw veggie, nut, fruit diet, with perhaps just a little dairy/eggs/fish thrown in? I'm talking on the order of 80% raw or more? What's the longest pure juice fast you've done or seen? Areas I'm most interested in are how they handled willpower issues, getting along with immediate family, excellent resources, and I don't know what else? There's a documentary called Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead on Hulu that offers some good inspiration. Any other media, books, websites? What sort of results have you seen and what kind of conditions have shown improvement... or not? Thanks! Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHomemade colloidal silver problem
Go to radio shack and get new wires with alligator clips. You can use 4 batteries, I do . 4X9 = 36 volts Smitty On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Debbie Phelps djphel...@gmail.com wrote: I've been making my own colloidal silver for a few years. Recently I started another batch. Just a simple pint with 2 wires and 3 9V batteries, as usual. I did what I always do, but after the normal amount of time, there was nothing going on. No tyndale effect, no darkening of the wires, no yellowing of the water, even after letting it cook lots longer! I changed the batteries, bought new connections, and fresh distilled water from Walmart. Still the same thing --- nothing! When I put the new connections on the alligator clips, one of the tiny wires got broken, but the rest were okay. Would that make a difference? Anyone have any bright ideas? I am befuddled
Re: CSHomemade colloidal silver problem
Is there any current control? like a CLD diode? Or are you hooking 3 - 9v batteries up in series and then connecting them to the silver wires and putting them into the jar? Do you have a EC/PPM tester like a com 100? If so put the DW(distilled water) into the jar and take a reading, sometimes the DW has a bad batch I have had a jug of DW read up to 4uS(2.0PPM NaCl), I find that's high for what I normally get which is under 1.0uS. So a bad batch is possible which is why I always check the DW everytime I use it. From: Debbie Phelps djphel...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 10:44 PM Subject: CSHomemade colloidal silver problem I've been making my own colloidal silver for a few years. Recently I started another batch. Just a simple pint with 2 wires and 3 9V batteries, as usual. I did what I always do, but after the normal amount of time, there was nothing going on. No tyndale effect, no darkening of the wires, no yellowing of the water, even after letting it cook lots longer! I changed the batteries, bought new connections, and fresh distilled water from Walmart. Still the same thing --- nothing! When I put the new connections on the alligator clips, one of the tiny wires got broken, but the rest were okay. Would that make a difference? Anyone have any bright ideas? I am befuddled
Re: Teri Re: CSJuice fasts...
Having read the blurb I'd say you probably could Jaxi, yes. // Jane _ Couldn't you just use coconut oil? Jaxi
Re: Teri Re: CSJuice fasts...
I buy coconut oil by the gallon ... seems like it would cost less in the long run. :-) Jaxi On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.netwrote: ** Having read the blurb I'd say you probably could Jaxi, yes. // Jane _ Couldn't you just use coconut oil? Jaxi
Re: Teri Re: CSJuice fasts...
Me too! Much cheaper I buy 10kg but even those buckets cost $150 delivered = $7:50/lb - the MCT oil is $17/pint ... would there be anything else in the MCT? // Jane I buy coconut oil by the gallon ... seems like it would cost less in the long run. :-) Jaxi
Re: CSHomemade colloidal silver problem
I have no tester or current control. I use 3-9Volt batteries in series, connected to silver wires and put them into the jar. I just bought *new wires* and put the old alligator clips on them, plus *new batteries*. The last thing I can think of is maybe, like you say, it *is* a bad batch of water. Again, I have no tester, so I will just go get another gallon of distilled water and give it another try. Hope that will be the key. If it is the water, would it still do *nothing?* I'll have to get a ppm tester. Thanks, everyone for your suggestions. I'll let you know how it goes after I try it again. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:17 PM, James McDonald kscma...@yahoo.com wrote: Is there any current control? sometimes the DW has a bad batch
Re: CSHomemade colloidal silver problem
Getting a CLD(Current Limiting Diode) to put in series with your batteries will make a much better product! You will be able to use faradays calculator to figure out how much silver mg(ppm) is in your jar! You will get a consistent silver product everytime cause with a timer and constant current you will know how much silver is in your jar. You will waste less silver and can make the ppm you want 2ppm to 20ppm. Its under $10.00 for the diode. From: Debbie Phelps djphel...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 1:07 AM Subject: Re: CSHomemade colloidal silver problem I have no tester or current control. I use 3-9Volt batteries in series, connected to silver wires and put them into the jar. I just bought new wires and put the old alligator clips on them, plus new batteries. The last thing I can think of is maybe, like you say, it is a bad batch of water. Again, I have no tester, so I will just go get another gallon of distilled water and give it another try. Hope that will be the key. If it is the water, would it still do nothing? I'll have to get a ppm tester. Thanks, everyone for your suggestions. I'll let you know how it goes after I try it again. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:17 PM, James McDonald kscma...@yahoo.com wrote: Is there any current control? sometimes the DW has a bad batch
Re: CSHomemade colloidal silver problem
Have you tried touching the silver wires together while connected to the batteries? There will be the slightest spark at the tips if all the connections and batteries are good. On Feb 5, 2013, at 10:07 PM, Debbie Phelps djphel...@gmail.com wrote: I have no tester or current control. I use 3-9Volt batteries in series, connected to silver wires and put them into the jar. I just bought new wires and put the old alligator clips on them, plus new batteries. The last thing I can think of is maybe, like you say, it is a bad batch of water. Again, I have no tester, so I will just go get another gallon of distilled water and give it another try. Hope that will be the key. If it is the water, would it still do nothing? I'll have to get a ppm tester. Thanks, everyone for your suggestions. I'll let you know how it goes after I try it again. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:17 PM, James McDonald kscma...@yahoo.com wrote: Is there any current control? sometimes the DW has a bad batch
