CS>What color is Silver?
CS Test Results 1. 30 volts DC. Unregulated current. Results: Yellow color. 2. 30 volts DC. Regulated current at 1 ma. Results: Clear color. 3. 100 volts DC unregulated current. Results: Amber color. All of the tests were performed using the same distilled water with no additives, same temperature, volume, spacing between electrodes, covering the container with cellophane, etc. This was all described in earlier posts. The main difference was the time to produce the end result. All three methods indicated silver in suspension using the following analysis: 1. Visual indications of bubbles on electrodes. (hydrogen and oxygen gas) 2. Visual indications of silver oxide crystals on the negative electrode. 3. Visual indications of silver particles coming off of the positive electrode. 4. Taste. 5. Tyndall effect using a laser pointer. 6. Resistive measurements of the solution. 7. Reactive measurements of the capacitance of the electrolyte solution. Conclusion: The color of the solution will determine the particle size rather than the ppm of the solution. I would like to suggest the following: Silver reflects the visible spectrum of light according to the particle size. Clear would indicate a particle size to small for refraction. Yellow would indicate a slightly larger particle size. Amber or red (honey colored) would indicate a still larger particle size that can barley stay in suspension. Blue would indicate particles that are no longer in suspension. This would explain the condition of Argyria where people that are exposed to large amounts of silver turn blue or grayish. (The Blue Bloods of England) Any thoughts on this? Andy (^_^) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V99 #882
I have carpal tunnel syndrome and when it's severe enough, I've had to resort to wearing wrist braces which keep the hand in a position which is less stressful. I've heard that there is a vitamin or mineral supplement that will help with this but I can't remember what it is at the moment. My brother had it and he had surgery for it but I'd have to really be in an intolerable situation before I'd resort to surgery. I'd like to thank all of you who have contributed to the information about the syndrome and possible help for it. Diane >> Hi Diane, I think colloidal gold is what you are searching for. Best wishes, Andy (^_^) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Dowsing????
From: Nicole Fraser "Well, I don't think that has to do with ignorance at all! I am QUITE open minded in fact, or I would not have asked this list.. In answer to your question I refuse to open a door that the bible says to stay away from and keep CLOSED.. I would not like to even PEEK inside because God has reason for that and I don't think I need to explain. I think I found my answer from a private response...the door is now CLOSED! ;0/ I don't mean to offend but I do not think I am the ignorant one hereI pity that:0( Nicole:O)" Hi Nicole, Perhaps I am "the ignorant one here" I don't understand what "door" you are talking about. Could you please elaborate on that? My thoughts are that if God didn't want us to open doors he wouldn't have given us brains and an opposing thumb. Best wishes, Andy (^_^) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Chunky Style
Chunky Style Test Setup: Kepco power supply; 0-100 volt, 0-1A Micronta DMM 22-194 Water Glass apx 3/4 full of Alhambra distilled water. Apx 10 oz. 68 deg. F. 14 AWG .999 fine silver wire 1 1/2" spaced. About 4" in water. About 1/2" from bottom of glass. Hit electrodes with 100 volts DC. Lots of activity started after about 15 min. Yellow brown clouds streaming off of the positive electrode. After a while, too cloudy to see electrode. Long black crystals streaming off of the negative electrode. Breaking off at about 1/2" and falling to the bottom of the glass. Tried cleaning electrodes at first but gave up after a few times. Things just going too fast. After an hour I cleaned the electrodes again. I ran the CS twice through coffee filters. Both filters had sediment. The solution is translucent. Measured the following: Current at 100 volts - 27 mA. Resistance - 6K Capacitance - 81 nF Interesting note. * The bottom of the glass was covered with bubbles but there were no dark stains as previously experienced with lower voltages and currents. I'll give it some time to settle and then try and get a Specific Gravity reading. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: REFLECTIONS
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:17:54 -0500 From: June Narber Harrison ** REFLECTIONS, DECEMBER 1999 (authored by June Narber Harrison, unless otherwise noted) Before you call a woman a feminist, maybe you should look in the mirror and ask yourself if you are a sexist. Words may appear to fit, but look twice before you label people, because as you label people, you are really labeling yourself. (Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks) What does it say about the individual who can always try to control others, yet cannot seem to manage or to make their own life better? Health is not just about being disease free; it is about having a peaceful inner mind and a calm-quiet countenance that is with you all day long. Take time to breathe properly, sit up straight, stretch out every day to balance the body's energy fields. Great dancers are not great because of their technique, they are great because of their passion-Martha Graham Genesis clearly tells us we are to be stewards of the Earth. Does that not technically make us biblical environmentalists? If so, we should be working to protect wildlife and natural lands from pollution, and over-development. Be the change you want to see in the world.-Ghandi Reality is not always what is perceived by the senses, it is what is perceived by the heart. I am not religious...I am spiritual. I bow down to no human created religion. I follow only the invisible God, known as the GREAT CREATOR. So, what are you? STAND UP FOR YOURSELF. Do not allow anyone to live your life for you. Follow your heart, listen to you mind and reason, and ask God to lead you in your path. JNH Husbands, have you told your wife today how beautiful she is to you? When was the last time you brought your wife home roses? Wives, have you told your husband how much you love him today? When was the last time you did that special something for him? Singles, when was the last time you told your best friend how much they mean to you? Add COLOR to your life, stop living like a blotch of gray on white paper! ~~ I don't know what any of the above has to do with CS but since we're off topic... Things you'll NEVER hear a woman say: 1. You know, I've been complaining a lot lately. I don't blame you for ignoring me. 2. That was fun! When will all of your friends be over to watch porno movies again? 3. The new girl in my office is a stripper. I invited her over for dinner on Friday. 4. While you were in the bathroom, they went for it on fourth down and missed. If they can hold them to a field goal they'll still cover. 5. Bar food again?? Kick ass! 6. I liked that wedding even more than ours. Your ex-girlfriend has class. 7. That girl is wearing the same outfit as I am. Cool, I'm gonna go over and talk to her. 8. I love hearing stories about your old girlfriends. Tell me more. 9. I like using this new lawn mower so much more than the old one...what a wonderful Valentine's day present! 10. Let's just leave the toilet seat up all the time; then you won't have to mess with it anymore. 11. It's only the third quarter, you should order a couple more pitchers. 12. Honey come here! Watch me do a tequila shot off of Stephanie's bare butt! 13. I'm so happy with my new hairstyle, I don't think I'll ever change it again. 14. Damn! I love when my pillow smells like your cigars and scotch. 15. You passed out before brushing your teeth again, ya big silly! 16. You are so much smarter than my father. 17. If we're not going to have sex, then you have to let me watch Sportscenter. Best wishes, Andy (^_^) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: Pets and CS
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 01:08:16 EST From: bli...@aol.com .Hi, Question concerning using CS with pets. I presently have a total of 20 cats in my home. 13 are my own plus I have 7 foster cats for Friends of Animals. With this many under one roof, when one comes down with something, it can spread quite quickly from one to the other. With new cats coming in all the time, you never really know what can show up even with vet checks and safety procautions. Is it safe to give them CS daily in their drinking water? I have bowls of water down so that it is available to them at any time - thus, there is no way to really gauge how much intake each one is getting. Though, with it diluted in their water, I kind of doubt that they'd really be taking in too much. I have tried it with them for two weeks now and believe it or not, I have not seen any hairballs being chucked up. Plus, my one cat seems to be more perky and less crabby. Maybe that's my imagination, but Ido know for sure that I've been hairball free for a few days. One other concern I had with them taking CS daily is the breakdown of good bacteria in their digestive system. Any ideas? I'm hoping I can continue as I have two cats that have eye infections that the vet says will be with them for life. I have an antibiotic salve I have to put in when it flairs up. CS gives me a lot of hope that it will clear up/help many things that aflict cats. Appreciate any feedback and experiences of others with pets and CS. Also - can Olive Leaf Extract be used with pets? Thanks much. Barb >> Hi Barb, Call your local county health dept. Tell them that you have 20 cats. That should take care of it! Best wishes, Andy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>stuff...
This time I ran several batches through a current limit of 1 ma for 4 1/2 hours each. The equipment, water and everything else were identical. The visual observations of bubbles, strands coming off of the electrodes, stains at the bottom of the glass, etc. were the same but took much longer. The end result was CS that had the same taste, the same high reactance and the same optical effect with a laser pointer. The only difference was that it wasn't yellow, it was clear. Now I'm wondering if the yellow color is due to light refraction off of a larger particle size that was generated with the unregulated current. Any thoughts on this? If this is the case I can make the "chunky style" for topical use and the "good stuff" for internal use. One other thing. Has anyone besides myself experienced sensitive to light due to the use of CS? I wanted sunglasses all day and I don't usually wear them. Best wishes, Andy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: LED's
Hi Bil, I picked up some 15K resistors at Radio Shack today. I thought I would just solder 2 of them in series. I'll have to dig through some old data books and look for an active current limit circuit to use in the future. Any thoughts on optimal current limit for small particle size? I don't think the current limiter on my power supply will go down to micro amps and that's where I'll probably end up. Andy Hi Andy, To limit the current to 1mA when using 30VDC use a 27k resistor. Of course this will not give you 1mA from the start. For that you will need a current regulator circuit. With this resistor the current will gradually build up to 1mA just as it normally builds up to 5mA, then 10 etc. The LED is really only needed for people that are not using an ammeter. Bil - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 11:47 AM Subject: Re: LED's > Hi Bil, > > I was thinking I would want to limit the current to 1 ma max. I don't know > what good an LED would be for that? I was thinking of something more along > the lines of a 300K ohm resistor in series with 30 volts. It would most > certainly take a lot longer but might guarantee minimal particle size. What > do you think? > > Andy > > In a message dated 12/12/1999 8:10:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, > x2...@qnet.com writes: > > If you look in a good parts catalog > you will find that almost every LED > avail. does not contain a resistor, > etc. And there are many dozens > to choose from. > > If you have a current limit resistor > in series with an LED you can see > at a glance roughly how much > current is flowing. You may want > to choose one of the ultrabright > LED's. > > Radio Shack only stocks a tiny > fraction of what you will find in a > good mail order catalog such as > Mouser Electronics. They are > by far the best source that I have > ever seen for variety, low cost > and great service. > > > > > - Original Message - > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 1999 7:13 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Intro and questions > > > > A lot of the LEDs on the market now have built in current limit, flashers, > > etc. It seems to make more sense to me to use a current limiting resistor > in > > series rather than a light bulb or an LED though. Any thoughts on this? > > > > Andy > > > > In a message dated 12/11/1999 8:02:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > x2...@qnet.com writes: > > > > All single LED's have a voltage rating of > > approx. 2 volts DC (not 5 or 14V!). The > > max. current rating for most LED's is > > around 20mA. They will light up (not too > > brightly) at 1mA or less and gradually > > increase reaching full brightness as you > > approach 10mA. > > > > O.K. to use in series with ANY low voltage > > DC circuit (up to 20mA). Best to use a > > current limiting resistor. Otherwise the > > LED will burn out right quick when the > > silver wires touch (or get shorted by the > > silver growth on the cathode). Won't > > happen if you limit current. > > > > Bil > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: G&B Rogers > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 7:41 AM > > Subject: CS>Intro and questions > > > > > > > Hello listers from a newbie, > > > I bought a CS generator and after seeing how simple it is, have tried > my > > > hand at making some, hopefully to give to family for holiday gifts. > The > > > version I am using is the one that comes from the Beck papers. My only > > > difficulty is getting a 24 grain of wheat bulb. I substituted a 14 v. > > > green LED bulb on the first one I made, (as a similar LED bulb was used > on > > > the generator I purchased - although it uses only a 9 v. battery) but > it > > > was quite difficult to see if the bulb was even lighting up. The flow > > > through the silver wire electrode was somewhat slow, I thought it would > > > work "faster" with the 27 voltage of batteries soldered in series than > the > > > 9v powered purchased machine, but it didn't. > > > > > > My second version used a red 5v LED with integrated resistor, but when > I > > > tested it, within seconds the water became cloudy. > > > > > > My questions are these: > > > 1) Can this be built without a bulb - just the three 9v clips in series > > > connected to alligator clips via zipper insulated wire? > > > 2) What would cause the second version (5v red LED) to make the water > > > cloudy so quickly, and is there a way to fix this? > > > 3) can other bulbs besides the recommended one (24v) be used for the > 27v > > > battery version? > > > 4) I have been using the CS mostly for external disinfection so have > been > > > using primarily purified water, not distilled. When I use distilled, > even >
Re: CS>LONG: Some Notes and a Few Questions on CS
Could you repeat the question please? Andy To All, I have been searching the CS archives, and I must say this group is an extraordinary collection of knowledgeable individuals. Hopefully, someone can help answer a few questions on CS. As a newcomer, I should introduce myself. My name is Mike Monett, and I design instrumentation and automated test equipment for high-volume production of hard disk drives. I am fortunate to have been awarded 6 patents, some of which were breakthroughs in the technology that allowed the disk industry to advance. I have very little knowledge of chemistry. I'm trying to get an understanding of the process of making colloidal silver and the variables that affect the process. My first attempts did not come out the way I expected, so I began monitoring the current. I have some interesting GIF's that I will discuss later. I found the electrode spacing has a large effect on the results, so I cut the handle off a Colgate toothbrush and drilled a series of 1/16" holes along the handle. The core of the handle is soft, and grips the 14 ga. silver so I can adjust the spacing and immersion depth. I am currently using a spacing of 1 1/8". My beaker is approximately 2 1/2" in diameter and 5 1/4" tall. The silver electrodes are immersed in plain distilled water at room temperature, and the length of the black area on the cathode measures about 3 1/4" after a run. I refer to Peter Lindemann's article "A Closer Look At Colloidal Silver", available at various places on the web. One place is: http://www.sota-inc.com/csinfo.htm Peter recommends using 30 volts to keep the electrodes clean, but I use 18 volts to slow the process so I can see what is going on and make notes. I generally stop the process at 2500 to 3000 microamps, when black fingers start forming on the cathode and fall into the solution. Here are the relevant equations from my very rusty high school chemistry (please make corrections wherever needed!) At the Anode: Ag + e(-) ---> Ag(+)(aq) At the Cathode: Ag(+)(aq) + e(-) ---> Ag Also, hydrogen bubbles can form at the cathode: 4e(-) + 4 H(+)(aq) ---> 2H2(g) First Question ~~ The current starts at about 200 to 300 microamps, then rises exponentially. Bubbles start forming at different currents - sometimes 700 ua, sometimes never. At about 1250 ua, a brown mist starts leaving the cathode. I assume these are neutral silver atoms, because they do not move under the influence of the electric field between the electrodes. Peter confirms this in the section starting at "The Best Is Yet To Come". He states: "These particles will hang in the water at the level they are produced, and for the most part, will not fall to the bottom of the glass. This is what a "colloidal" preparation of silver looks like." My question is: Why does this mist occur, and why does the silver stream away from the cathode in this manner? What is the force that applies the mechanical push to the atoms? Second Question ~~~ A couple of paragraphs further down, beginning at "The Brown Glass Bottle", Peter states "Once you have gone to the trouble of making colloidal silver particles as small as .001 microns, it is important to protect them. The particles stay away from each other in suspension because they each have a positive electrical charge (+) and these "like charges" repel each other." If these are the particles Peter refers to immediately above, why do they now suddenly have a charge? How did they get ionized? If they are now positive ions, should they not stream directly to the cathode instead of drifting aimlessly around? It seems there are two types of silver in the solution: silver ions which we cannot see, and neutral silver atoms which form the mist. The ions provide the increased electrical conductivity, and the neutral atoms are the colloid we are after. My question: Is this interpretation correct? Third Question ~~ What is the effect of colloidal silver on the body? Which component is the active one? Are the silver ions the active component, or the silver atoms, or both? Fourth Question ~~~ Peter recommends against using salt to speed up the process. He states this produces silver chloride, which is undesirable. In fact, I test for silver ions by pouring an inch of liquid into a small glass and adding a few grains of salt. In a few minutes, a beautiful pale blue/white dispersion forms. When I put the glass in direct sunlight, the color changes from pale
Re: CS>Intro and questions
A lot of the LEDs on the market now have built in current limit, flashers, etc. It seems to make more sense to me to use a current limiting resistor in series rather than a light bulb or an LED though. Any thoughts on this? Andy In a message dated 12/11/1999 8:02:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, x2...@qnet.com writes: All single LED's have a voltage rating of approx. 2 volts DC (not 5 or 14V!). The max. current rating for most LED's is around 20mA. They will light up (not too brightly) at 1mA or less and gradually increase reaching full brightness as you approach 10mA. O.K. to use in series with ANY low voltage DC circuit (up to 20mA). Best to use a current limiting resistor. Otherwise the LED will burn out right quick when the silver wires touch (or get shorted by the silver growth on the cathode). Won't happen if you limit current. Bil - Original Message - From: G&B Rogers To: Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 7:41 AM Subject: CS>Intro and questions > Hello listers from a newbie, > I bought a CS generator and after seeing how simple it is, have tried my > hand at making some, hopefully to give to family for holiday gifts. The > version I am using is the one that comes from the Beck papers. My only > difficulty is getting a 24 grain of wheat bulb. I substituted a 14 v. > green LED bulb on the first one I made, (as a similar LED bulb was used on > the generator I purchased - although it uses only a 9 v. battery) but it > was quite difficult to see if the bulb was even lighting up. The flow > through the silver wire electrode was somewhat slow, I thought it would > work "faster" with the 27 voltage of batteries soldered in series than the > 9v powered purchased machine, but it didn't. > > My second version used a red 5v LED with integrated resistor, but when I > tested it, within seconds the water became cloudy. > > My questions are these: > 1) Can this be built without a bulb - just the three 9v clips in series > connected to alligator clips via zipper insulated wire? > 2) What would cause the second version (5v red LED) to make the water > cloudy so quickly, and is there a way to fix this? > 3) can other bulbs besides the recommended one (24v) be used for the 27v > battery version? > 4) I have been using the CS mostly for external disinfection so have been > using primarily purified water, not distilled. When I use distilled, even > when I leave the electrodes in for an hour, I do not get the golden color. > I have been adding only a drop of a baking soda solution to the distilled > water that I read helps with the process. > > Any suggestions for making these CS would be appreciated! I'm rather in a > time crunch since I need to get these done for the holidays. I figured > that with Y2K, all of my family could use having a generator on hand! > > I haven't done any of this kind of thing since I was a kid building Heath > kits with my dad, so if my explanations aren't clear enough, please forgive > me. > > Thank you, > Beth > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > --- Headers Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (rly-zb02.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.2]) by air-zb02.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 23:02:02 1900 Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (v66.4) with ESMTP; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 23:01:52 -0500 Received: (from smart...@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id UAA29473; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:01:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:01:46 -0800 Message-ID: <00a101bf4455$5e5682a0$6fd4d...@x2001> From: "2001 TV VCR" To: , References: Subject: Re: CS>Intro and questions Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:42:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZT-HJ1.0.QC7.gunKu"@mx1> Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17587 X-Loop: silver-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com >>
Re: CS>RE:Particle size -LV and HV
Mine is... (^_^) djg5...@webtv.net writes: powered by D-9 thc?? Dennis From: "James Osbourne, Holmes" To: "'silver-list@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: CS>RE:Particle size -LV and HV Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:05:27 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mnvIv1.0.od2.75QKu"@mx1> Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17530 X-Loop: silver-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com I've got an organic one but it is not for sale! James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>RE:Particle size -LV and HV does anyone have any advice to offer about purchasing a C.E.S. unit? (cranial electrical stimulation) anyone have a used one for sale? jd -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Electric Blanket / O.T.
Thanks for clearing that up Fred. I was taught that the mho (ohm spelled backwards) was the reciprocal of resistance. I hadn't heard of the micro-Siemens/cm before. Do you check the Tyndall effect after it is filtered? I've been running it through a coffee filter as suggested by others on the list. You're probably right about the specific gravity. I have the instrument that floats in a solution to a depth determined by how "thick" the solution is. PPM probably wouldn't register. I'll try it anyway just for fun. Best wishes, Andy In a message dated 12/10/1999 9:14:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, f...@health2us.com writes: Sorry Andy, never know who is familiar with what - uS/cm referred to micro-Siemens/cm, the common unit of measurement for electrical conductivity, the reciprical of electrical resistivity! For CaCO3 the conversion to PPM is 2uS/cm = 1 PPM. For Cs it is less then 2 but subject to debate, I prefer 1.6uS/PPM. Basically an ohmmeter with conversion but calibrated to compare to a one sq. cm electrode, to measure the conductivity of one cubic cm of the solution. At $50 each and 2% accuracy the TDS meters are a bargain, but get the PWT or pure water tester as that has a lower range and thus is more accurate! For Tyndall, any beam of light is fine, a flashlight or laser pointer is OK but I prefer the flash light as the beam is big enough to see contaminates such as crystals or other larger particles, which will sparkle. You aim for a fog type cloud only, as the finer the particle, the better the product, the more stable and thus longer storage life. Not sure about beer making equipment, but specific gravity would not be measurable with the typical spigmomanometer (spelling?), as you need an accuracy of better then 1 PPM or 0.1%. f...@health2us.com Andy said: Thanks for responding Fred, I'm confused. Is us/cm the same thing as microseconds/centimeters? Wouldn't that be a time measurement? How can you convert that to PPM? Are TDS meters just ohmmeters that do a conversion or is there more to it than that? How about the "Tyndall affect of "light dispersion"?" Can I measure that with the gizmos that winegrowers use out in the field to measure the sugar content of grape juice? I'm trying to figure this all out on a budget. I have some old beer making equipment. Do you think the specific gravity will tell me anything? I was planing on using my test results for quality control but I am looking forward to hearing the results of your extreme tests. Keep us posted. Best wishes, Andy In a message dated 12/09/1999 6:38:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, f...@health2us.com writes: Welcome Andy, There are a lot of expensive scientific instruments that could be used for the testing but for such extreme limits of testing simple stuff can be used! We use two separate TDS digital meters, as made by Hanna Instruments, which measure in us/cm, which can be translated into PPM. TDS or "total dissolved solids" measures via conductivity, what is in the solution, not settlement , so it would detect agglomeration, settlement, crystallization, plate out, etc. We of course had to bring the solutions back to room temeperature, as the temp. effect is around 1%/degree F and we went from 70 to 212F. We check the Tyndall affect of "light dispersion" when a strong beam of light is shown thru the solution and we can see the beam of light, as if shown thru a fog. A visual color check is also made, against part of the same batch, in the same size jar. The former is good for any time of test, even to check a year later, while the latter being visually subjective can only be relied on for very short term tests, where you can keep some of the batch to compare to! Both of these used together provide a good low budget measure of extreme outside effects such as freezing, heating, strong magnetic fields, strong UV light, etc. (Our UV light test was actually from last year, but 3 weeks at 1/2" away, which would be equivilant to years of bright room light levels. The other important element to consider in simple tests, is to use the extremes, as we did, so any effect would tend to be profound! All of these outside forces definately have an effect, but being so trivial should not be of a concern. There is a possibility these forces could exhibit a profound effect on less "pure a silver colloid", since we tested with the best we could make. I will repeat the tests next week with some low quality product that has been produced with silver salts only (starting with high PPM water) and then some with silver crystals (heavy cloud formation and stringing) and finally some good stuff but with the "sludge" mixed into it. That should cover (guess I snipped. the extremes of all of the home brew
Re: CS>Electric Blanket / O.T.
Thanks for responding Fred, I'm confused. Is us/cm the same thing as microseconds/centimeters? Wouldn't that be a time measurement? How can you convert that to PPM? Are TDS meters just ohmmeters that do a conversion or is there more to it than that? How about the "Tyndall affect of "light dispersion"?" Can I measure that with the gizmos that winegrowers use out in the field to measure the sugar content of grape juice? I'm trying to figure this all out on a budget. I have some old beer making equipment. Do you think the specific gravity will tell me anything? I was planing on using my test results for quality control but I am looking forward to hearing the results of your extreme tests. Keep us posted. Best wishes, Andy In a message dated 12/09/1999 6:38:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, f...@health2us.com writes: Welcome Andy, There are a lot of expensive scientific instruments that could be used for the testing but for such extreme limits of testing simple stuff can be used! We use two separate TDS digital meters, as made by Hanna Instruments, which measure in us/cm, which can be translated into PPM. TDS or "total dissolved solids" measures via conductivity, what is in the solution, not settlement , so it would detect agglomeration, settlement, crystallization, plate out, etc. We of course had to bring the solutions back to room temeperature, as the temp. effect is around 1%/degree F and we went from 70 to 212F. We check the Tyndall affect of "light dispersion" when a strong beam of light is shown thru the solution and we can see the beam of light, as if shown thru a fog. A visual color check is also made, against part of the same batch, in the same size jar. The former is good for any time of test, even to check a year later, while the latter being visually subjective can only be relied on for very short term tests, where you can keep some of the batch to compare to! Both of these used together provide a good low budget measure of extreme outside effects such as freezing, heating, strong magnetic fields, strong UV light, etc. (Our UV light test was actually from last year, but 3 weeks at 1/2" away, which would be equivilant to years of bright room light levels. The other important element to consider in simple tests, is to use the extremes, as we did, so any effect would tend to be profound! All of these outside forces definately have an effect, but being so trivial should not be of a concern. There is a possibility these forces could exhibit a profound effect on less "pure a silver colloid", since we tested with the best we could make. I will repeat the tests next week with some low quality product that has been produced with silver salts only (starting with high PPM water) and then some with silver crystals (heavy cloud formation and stringing) and finally some good stuff but with the "sludge" mixed into it. That should cover the extremes of all of the home brew, unmetered stuff. Will report back! Others may wish to run a few of these simple extreme tests on their production, before I get back to it. f...@health2us.com ANDY SAID: Hi Fred, Please excuse my ignorance as I am new to the list. Regarding your recent tests: How do you measure what does and doesn't have an effect on colloidal silver? Do you measure the volume of silver in the solution, the ionic charge? What do you measure it with? Best Regards, Andy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hi Trem, After making a second batch and running some simple experiments (measuring conductivity, current flow, adjusting voltages and observing visual indications) It appears that you hit the nail on the head with constant current flow for small particle size. After several hours I was able to draw silver off of the electrode with only 7 or 8 volts. And yes, I did get the nice yellow color you mentioned. On the next batch I am thinking of taking the easy way out and just using a current limiting resistor in series. I might put together an active circuit with feedback at some future time if necessary. Any idea on what the current should be limited too? My measurements seem to indicate that it is in the microamp range once the solution starts becoming conductive. Best wishes, Andy In a message dated 12/08/1999 10:12:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, t...@silvergen.com writes: Hello Andy, We don't recommend heating the water. It speeds the process but also makes large particles, especially if you are using a constant voltage setup which you are. Never add salt or anything else to the water. You want a silver colloid; not silver compounds. They are not the same. The strands you speak of are what we all can see during production if you shine a strong flashlight or laser beam through the water. That is the silver. The particles will separate and disperse in several hours and then you will see the yellow color. If you don't see it, it is probably because you didn't deposit enough silver in the water for it to become apparent to you. Try running for a longer period of time and then you will probably see the yellow color. Plating out is not exactly the same as fallout. Plating is the golden or yellow color you will see on the inside of your vessel after a while. Some fine particles can plate out. Fallout is what is in the bottom of your vessel. That is from large particles which couldn't stay in dispersion. The dregs will stay in the filter paper. If your CS isn't very clear at the end of your filtering process, most likely you made it using water which wasn't pure enough. We have golden colored CS sitting on the shelf which is a year old with no fallout. Small particles tend not to fall out. I guess that is my recommendation to use a constant current source when you make CS. Using constant voltage will make a mix of large and small particles, so I suspect you will not have long shelf life. However, you can easily make more anytime with your setup, so why worry about it. Good luck. Trem - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 8:46 PM Subject: Re: CS>Hello List > Thanks for the response Trem, > > I've heard of people heating up the water, adding things to it, and using a > previous batch as a starter to speed up the process but hey, who's in a hurry > when you're just getting started? Also, I've heard the above increases > particle size. Any thoughts on that? > > I've also heard that it is supposed to turn yellow. Mine didn't, It just had > thin strands coming out of the electrodes. Should I care about a yellow color? > > The coffee filters sound like a good idea. I did see dregs (silver oxide)? > floating around in it. > > You mentioned "plating out." Is that sediment falling to the bottom of the > container? > > One last question. I guess we're concerned about the silver being ionic. How > long before it looses it's charge? More specifically, what kind of shelf life > should I expect before I need to make a new batch? > > Thanks for your time > Andy > (^_^) > > Hello Andy, > > Welcome. You did good. The only thing I would suggest is to wait until the > particles have dispersed throughout the water. This will take about 12 > hours. That way you are sure of an even distribution of the silver. > > Storing in brown containers is OK if you don't want to see how it is doing. > Storing in clear HDPE containers such as soft drink containers will let you > see whether the CS is plating out. Don't store in direct sunlight or near > magnetic fields or in the refrigerator. They all cause fallout. Don't > shake it before use. Filter it through a coffee filter after you make it do > get rid of dregs. > > You have made what we call basic CS. It may have particles of various > sizes. The large ones will fall out. Fine ones will stay in suspension. > Make sure you use distilled water. > > Most persons start with a small amount and work up to the amount they feel > comfortable with. I suggest you start with one teaspoon a day and work you > way up to what you feel comfortable with. If you don't have problems, that > may be a good prophylactic dose. If you have problems, take more and > observe your reactions. It is pretty hard to overdose unless you have made > your CS improperly. > > Good luck. > > Trem > t...@s
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Hi again James,
Okay, here is what I got so far. After about 20 min I dropped the voltage
down to 25 and went to the store. Came back an hour later and dropped it down
to 20. Still lots of activity in the glass. Found my BK TEST BENCH 390 meter
and decided to take some readings. At 2 hours I stirred the solution, cleaned
the wires, gave it 5 min at 25 volts to stabilize and measured stuff through
the silver wires. Here is what I got:
Resistance:
15K gradually climbing to 20K in about 5 min. Looked like a capacitor
charging.
Current Readings:
5 volts351 ua
10 volts 726 ua
15 volts 1.231 ma
20 volts 1.745 ma
25 volts 2.232 ma
30 volts 2.68 ma
These are to a first approximation with the conditions I described earlier.
It's been about 3 hours now and it is set at 5 volts. There is fine sediment
in the bottom of the glass and the strands seem to be going down indicating a
path for conduction. This seems to support Trem's suggestion of using a
constant current source to reduce particle size. At least if I don't want to
look like a smurf in the future. (^_^)
There are also some neat looking holograms in the glass. Maybe optical
refraction off of the bigger silver particles.
Do you have any comments or suggestions?
Best wishes,
Andy
In a message dated 12/08/1999 4:03:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, a...@trail.com
writes:
<< Subj: RE: CS>Hello List
Date: 12/08/1999 4:03:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Hello Andy,
Do you know how many amps you were drawing?
James Osbourne Holmes
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Hello List,
My name is Andy and I just subscribed while making my first batch. I haven't
had time to look at any of the posts so far so please bear with me. This is
what I did. Please let me know if it was right.
I suspended two pieces of 14 AWG .999 fine silver wire in a glass of room
temperature distilled water (Alhambra) about 1 1/2" apart. I connected a lab
bench power supply to them and set it at 30 volts. After about 1/2 hour
bubbles started to come off of the wires and what appeared to be fine
strands
of something started to come out of both of the wires and slowly move
towards
each other. I kept power to it an additional 15 minutes.
I swished the glass of water around and shot a laser pointer through it.
There's definitely something in there. I took a mouthful and swished it
around and gargled for a minute or two and then repeated. It had a strange
taste and I felt like I got a buzz but that could have been psychological.
1) Can anyone tell me if this is the correct procedure for the desired
particle size?
2) How about the shelf life for bottling the stuff? I thought I would use
amber beer bottles with crown caps. Store in a cool dark place.
3) Dose anyone know if CS has been known to compromise a damaged liver? (HCV)
4) What quantity should be taken for a chronic condition? (killing a virus)
Thank you for your time
Andy
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Hi Fred, Please excuse my ignorance as I am new to the list. Regarding your recent tests: How do you measure what does and doesn't have an effect on colloidal silver? Do you measure the volume of silver in the solution, the ionic charge? What do you measure it with? Best Regards, Andy In a message dated 12/08/1999 10:35:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, f...@health2us.com writes: << Subj: RE: CS>Electric Blanket / O.T. Date: 12/08/1999 10:35:26 AM Pacific Standard Time From: f...@health2us.com (Fred) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Yvonne, Per my recent tests and posts, there is little that will effect a good colloid of silver - boiling had no effect, very strong light including heavy doses of UV light had no effect and freezing had no effect! Magnetic fields do have some small effect on water - see others posts about using magnets or swirling of water to get "structured or empowered or energized water" BUT a very strong magnetic field has also shown no effect, so the weak fields in every day life will have no deleterious effects. What is more important, in storage in a car (I keep some in mine for that sip I forgot to take at home), is the vibration or agitation of the colloid, limiting its life to probably less then 6 months. You will note on a spray bottle, the deposition of silver particles right at the spray exit (sever agitation), after just a few months use! My spoof about avoiding some of the things in nature that might hurt you was based on the "crises posts" by many lately! Yes, everything effects everything else in this universe but the effects are so low with most, that they become trivial! Be concerned with your simple household staples: * 11 Extra Strength Tylenol can be fatal, or even 4-5 if you have a compromised liver? * excessive drinking of orange juice or of eating bananas can be dangerous, giving you a serious potassium imbalance! *vitamin D at ten times the recommended dose can be very toxic to children. *mango's belong to the poison ivy family and the unripened peel can cause sever reactions to those sensitive to poison ivy! My sister has to only walk by the green fruit and gets hives. *potatoes that are damaged, have turned green or are sprouting contain a toxic chemical Solianine. Also, tomatoes, bell peppers, chilies, potatoes, eggplant are part of the nightshade family and aggrevating to the pain and inflamation of rheumatoid arthritis. * etc., etc., etc f...@health2us.com__ At 06:58 AM 12/8/1999 , you wrote: >Hello ! > >Could the mimxed magnetic fields in one's car affect cs whilst it is being >transported at all and if so, is there some way to counteract this? > >Thankx! >Yvonne >:o) > >-Original Message- >From: Fred [mailto:f...@health2us.com] >Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 7:10 AM >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Subject: CS>Electric Blanket / O.T. > > >Actually, you would be better off to turn off your main >circuit breaker (except when you wish to see at night, >wash clothes, heat water, make coffee, cook, etc.) and >avoid using your car which has many mixed magnetic >fields (unless you want to drive someplace) and keep >away from electric poles and their wires as they usually >have very high voltages and thus high fields (unless you >want to go outside sometime!). As a further protection >from the earths magnetic fields always sit in a tall chair, >and if you do drive try to keep on the dark side of the earth >to avoid the strong particle radiations from the sun! >OH, never mind, just forget it and be happy! > >f...@health2us.com > >>Really? > >Jo >>>Not unless you unplug it too, I think... -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour --- Headers Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb05.mx.aol.com (rly-yb05.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.5]) by air-yb05.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Wed, 08 Dec 1999 13:35:26 1900 Received: from mx2.eskimo.com (mx2.eskimo.com [204.122.16.49]) by rly-yb05.mx.aol.com (v66.4) with ESMTP; Wed, 08 Dec 1999 13:35:08 -0500 Received: (from smart...@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA11134; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:37:26 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:37:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19991208112623.00a48...@mail.cyberstreet.com> Message-Id: <4.1.19991208112623.00a48...@mail.cyberstreet.com> Message-Id: <4.1.19991208112623.00a48...@mail.cyber
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Hi James, I'm repeating it tonight. The supply is set for 30 volts and I'm using about 3/4 of a glass of distilled water. I'd say there is about 4" of wire in the water spaced at about 1 1/2" with a 1/2" space at the bottom. The power supply goes up to 5 amps and is graduated in 200 ma. increments. So far, the needle hasn't moved. I might try to measure the current later with a more sensitive hand held meter. I also want to try and measure the resistance to see if that will give me a clue as to the concentration. There is a current limiter on the supply but I imagine I am drawing microamps and that is probably to sensitive to set it for. Hello Andy, Do you know how many amps you were drawing? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: ascottx...@aol.com [SMTP:ascottx...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 7:59 PM To:silver-list@eskimo.com Cc:ascottx...@aol.com Subject: CS>Hello List Hello List, My name is Andy and I just subscribed while making my first batch. I haven't had time to look at any of the posts so far so please bear with me. This is what I did. Please let me know if it was right. I suspended two pieces of 14 AWG .999 fine silver wire in a glass of room temperature distilled water (Alhambra) about 1 1/2" apart. I connected a lab bench power supply to them and set it at 30 volts. After about 1/2 hour bubbles started to come off of the wires and what appeared to be fine strands of something started to come out of both of the wires and slowly move towards each other. I kept power to it an additional 15 minutes. I swished the glass of water around and shot a laser pointer through it. There's definitely something in there. I took a mouthful and swished it around and gargled for a minute or two and then repeated. It had a strange taste and I felt like I got a buzz but that could have been psychological. 1) Can anyone tell me if this is the correct procedure for the desired particle size? 2) How about the shelf life for bottling the stuff? I thought I would use amber beer bottles with crown caps. Store in a cool dark place. 3) Dose anyone know if CS has been known to compromise a damaged liver? (HCV) 4) What quantity should be taken for a chronic condition? (killing a virus) Thank you for your time Andy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour --- Headers Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd01.mx.aol.com (rly-yd01.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.1]) by air-yd05.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Wed, 08 Dec 1999 19:03:57 -0500 Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by rly-yd01.mx.aol.com (v66.4) with ESMTP; Wed, 08 Dec 1999 19:03:38 -0500 Received: (from smart...@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA09975; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 16:03:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 16:03:32 -0800 Message-ID: <01bf419e.26d20700@trail.com> From: "James Osbourne, Holmes" To: "'silver-list@eskimo.com'" Subject: RE: CS>Hello List Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:58:30 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JHjia.0.lR2.J7lJu"@mx1> Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17405 X-Loop: silver-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com >>
Re: CS>For the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD
I've touched the anode on a "discharged" TV tube. It didn't clear any viruses but it knocked me on my butt... Watch out for those stray capacitance's. Andy In a message dated 12/07/1999 9:13:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, mdud...@execonn.com writes: The problem is that at high voltages even the wires can have a capacitance to infinity, and although the supply may be limited to 2 mA, a spark discharge of a few thousand volts from just a few picofarad capacitor can deliver amps for a few nanoseconds or microseconds. I have never killed myself with this, but did kill my digital ampmeter that way. Marshall 2001 TV VCR wrote: > I guess I should have mentioned that I > was only planning on shocking him if it > would be safe. It is well known that 2mA > (two thousandths of an Amp) is not > considered dangerous when applied to > the body (externally). > > And if I did do this it would only be for a > second or so, and only if experts in the > field of electromedicine, etc agreed that > there would be no risk. I have been > shocked by 5,000 to 25,000 Volts DC > many times (during 30 years) while > working on TV's. > > Bil > > - Original Message - > From: Jeff Gilman > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 6:16 PM > Subject: Re: CS>For the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD > > > Boy, I woudn't do this! What if his heart fails, he is already in poor > > health! I agree, talk about setting yourself up for trouble! I am sure > > your intentions are great, but your taking > > a chance on hurting him and you getting blamed for it > > > > Jeff > > -Original Message- > > From: Charles King > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 9:28 AM > > Subject: Re: CS>For the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD > > > > > > >Talk about setting yourself up for a lawsuit. > > >BTW, read your first paragraph again. > > >Some people are ill because they choose that experience for this > lifetime! > > > > > > Chuck > > >"Life's tough. It's tougher if you're stupid" > > >John Wayne > > > > > >On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:46:46 -0800, "2001 TV VCR" wrote: > > > > > >>Hi > > >> > > >>Trying to help a friend with MS. He is > > >>unable to walk without a walker. He can't > > >>ever seem to get around to using the > > >>Beck blood electrifier or the "Rife" type > > >>frequency generator which I built for him. > > >> > > >>I have heard that some people have been > > >>cured of lyme and other conditions by > > >>acidentally contacting an electric fence. > > >>Quick high voltage shock and no more > > >>viruses! > > >> > > >>He is willing to do something like this and > > >>I am planning on hooking him up to a > > >>television flyback (hi voltage) transformer. > > >>The voltage is 25,000 DC at about 2 mA. > > >> > > >>Since there is not enough current available > > >>to cause tissue damage it seems like > > >>this would be safe. Has anyone heard of > > >>someone be seriously hurt with very low > > >>current HV DC. > > >> > > >>Bil > > > > > > > > >-- > > >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > --- Headers Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (rly-zc01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.1]) by air-zc01.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Wed, 08 Dec 1999 00:13:08 1900 Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (v66.4) with ESMTP; Wed, 08 Dec 1999 00:12:52 -0500 Received: (from smart...@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA04227; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:12:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:12:46 -0800 Message-ID: <384de818.9e8e4...@execonn.com> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 00:09:45 -0500 From: Marshall Dudley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>For the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD References: <019501bf4122$4a9a8f80$84edd...@jeff.ne.mediaone.net> <00ae01bf4131$3a94daa0$25d4d...@x2001> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yjMzu1.0.o11.DZUJu"@mx1> Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17368 X-Loop: silver-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com >>
Re: CS>Hello List
Thanks for the response Trem, I've heard of people heating up the water, adding things to it, and using a previous batch as a starter to speed up the process but hey, who's in a hurry when you're just getting started? Also, I've heard the above increases particle size. Any thoughts on that? I've also heard that it is supposed to turn yellow. Mine didn't, It just had thin strands coming out of the electrodes. Should I care about a yellow color? The coffee filters sound like a good idea. I did see dregs (silver oxide)? floating around in it. You mentioned "plating out." Is that sediment falling to the bottom of the container? One last question. I guess we're concerned about the silver being ionic. How long before it looses it's charge? More specifically, what kind of shelf life should I expect before I need to make a new batch? Thanks for your time Andy (^_^) Hello Andy, Welcome. You did good. The only thing I would suggest is to wait until the particles have dispersed throughout the water. This will take about 12 hours. That way you are sure of an even distribution of the silver. Storing in brown containers is OK if you don't want to see how it is doing. Storing in clear HDPE containers such as soft drink containers will let you see whether the CS is plating out. Don't store in direct sunlight or near magnetic fields or in the refrigerator. They all cause fallout. Don't shake it before use. Filter it through a coffee filter after you make it do get rid of dregs. You have made what we call basic CS. It may have particles of various sizes. The large ones will fall out. Fine ones will stay in suspension. Make sure you use distilled water. Most persons start with a small amount and work up to the amount they feel comfortable with. I suggest you start with one teaspoon a day and work you way up to what you feel comfortable with. If you don't have problems, that may be a good prophylactic dose. If you have problems, take more and observe your reactions. It is pretty hard to overdose unless you have made your CS improperly. Good luck. Trem t...@silvergen.com > Hello List, > > My name is Andy and I just subscribed while making my first batch. I haven't > had time to look at any of the posts so far so please bear with me. This is > what I did. Please let me know if it was right. > > I suspended two pieces of 14 AWG .999 fine silver wire in a glass of room > temperature distilled water (Alhambra) about 1 1/2" apart. I connected a lab > bench power supply to them and set it at 30 volts. After about 1/2 hour > bubbles started to come off of the wires and what appeared to be fine strands > of something started to come out of both of the wires and slowly move towards > each other. I kept power to it an additional 15 minutes. > > I swished the glass of water around and shot a laser pointer through it. > There's definitely something in there. I took a mouthful and swished it > around and gargled for a minute or two and then repeated. It had a strange > taste and I felt like I got a buzz but that could have been psychological. > > 1) Can anyone tell me if this is the correct procedure for the desired > particle size? > > 2) How about the shelf life for bottling the stuff? I thought I would use > amber beer bottles with crown caps. Store in a cool dark place. > > 3) Dose anyone know if CS has been known to compromise a damaged liver? (HCV) > > 4) What quantity should be taken for a chronic condition? (killing a virus) > > Thank you for your time > > Andy > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Hello List
Hello List, My name is Andy and I just subscribed while making my first batch. I haven't had time to look at any of the posts so far so please bear with me. This is what I did. Please let me know if it was right. I suspended two pieces of 14 AWG .999 fine silver wire in a glass of room temperature distilled water (Alhambra) about 1 1/2" apart. I connected a lab bench power supply to them and set it at 30 volts. After about 1/2 hour bubbles started to come off of the wires and what appeared to be fine strands of something started to come out of both of the wires and slowly move towards each other. I kept power to it an additional 15 minutes. I swished the glass of water around and shot a laser pointer through it. There's definitely something in there. I took a mouthful and swished it around and gargled for a minute or two and then repeated. It had a strange taste and I felt like I got a buzz but that could have been psychological. 1) Can anyone tell me if this is the correct procedure for the desired particle size? 2) How about the shelf life for bottling the stuff? I thought I would use amber beer bottles with crown caps. Store in a cool dark place. 3) Dose anyone know if CS has been known to compromise a damaged liver? (HCV) 4) What quantity should be taken for a chronic condition? (killing a virus) Thank you for your time Andy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
