Hi Trem, After making a second batch and running some simple experiments (measuring conductivity, current flow, adjusting voltages and observing visual indications) It appears that you hit the nail on the head with constant current flow for small particle size. After several hours I was able to draw silver off of the electrode with only 7 or 8 volts. And yes, I did get the nice yellow color you mentioned.
On the next batch I am thinking of taking the easy way out and just using a current limiting resistor in series. I might put together an active circuit with feedback at some future time if necessary. Any idea on what the current should be limited too? My measurements seem to indicate that it is in the microamp range once the solution starts becoming conductive. Best wishes, Andy In a message dated 12/08/1999 10:12:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, t...@silvergen.com writes: Hello Andy, We don't recommend heating the water. It speeds the process but also makes large particles, especially if you are using a constant voltage setup which you are. Never add salt or anything else to the water. You want a silver colloid; not silver compounds. They are not the same. The strands you speak of are what we all can see during production if you shine a strong flashlight or laser beam through the water. That is the silver. The particles will separate and disperse in several hours and then you will see the yellow color. If you don't see it, it is probably because you didn't deposit enough silver in the water for it to become apparent to you. Try running for a longer period of time and then you will probably see the yellow color. Plating out is not exactly the same as fallout. Plating is the golden or yellow color you will see on the inside of your vessel after a while. Some fine particles can plate out. Fallout is what is in the bottom of your vessel. That is from large particles which couldn't stay in dispersion. The dregs will stay in the filter paper. If your CS isn't very clear at the end of your filtering process, most likely you made it using water which wasn't pure enough. We have golden colored CS sitting on the shelf which is a year old with no fallout. Small particles tend not to fall out. I guess that is my recommendation to use a constant current source when you make CS. Using constant voltage will make a mix of large and small particles, so I suspect you will not have long shelf life. However, you can easily make more anytime with your setup, so why worry about it. Good luck. Trem ----- Original Message ----- From: <ascottx...@aol.com> To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 8:46 PM Subject: Re: CS>Hello List > Thanks for the response Trem, > > I've heard of people heating up the water, adding things to it, and using a > previous batch as a starter to speed up the process but hey, who's in a hurry > when you're just getting started? Also, I've heard the above increases > particle size. Any thoughts on that? > > I've also heard that it is supposed to turn yellow. Mine didn't, It just had > thin strands coming out of the electrodes. Should I care about a yellow color? > > The coffee filters sound like a good idea. I did see dregs (silver oxide)? > floating around in it. > > You mentioned "plating out." Is that sediment falling to the bottom of the > container? > > One last question. I guess we're concerned about the silver being ionic. How > long before it looses it's charge? More specifically, what kind of shelf life > should I expect before I need to make a new batch? > > Thanks for your time > Andy > (^_^) > > Hello Andy, > > Welcome. You did good. The only thing I would suggest is to wait until the > particles have dispersed throughout the water. This will take about 12 > hours. That way you are sure of an even distribution of the silver. > > Storing in brown containers is OK if you don't want to see how it is doing. > Storing in clear HDPE containers such as soft drink containers will let you > see whether the CS is plating out. Don't store in direct sunlight or near > magnetic fields or in the refrigerator. They all cause fallout. Don't > shake it before use. Filter it through a coffee filter after you make it do > get rid of dregs. > > You have made what we call basic CS. It may have particles of various > sizes. The large ones will fall out. Fine ones will stay in suspension. > Make sure you use distilled water. > > Most persons start with a small amount and work up to the amount they feel > comfortable with. I suggest you start with one teaspoon a day and work you > way up to what you feel comfortable with. If you don't have problems, that > may be a good prophylactic dose. If you have problems, take more and > observe your reactions. It is pretty hard to overdose unless you have made > your CS improperly. > > Good luck. > > Trem > t...@silvergen.com > > > > > Hello List, > > > > My name is Andy and I just subscribed while making my first batch. I > haven't > > had time to look at any of the posts so far so please bear with me. This > is > > what I did. Please let me know if it was right. > > > > I suspended two pieces of 14 AWG .999 fine silver wire in a glass of room > > temperature distilled water (Alhambra) about 1 1/2" apart. I connected a > lab > > bench power supply to them and set it at 30 volts. After about 1/2 hour > > bubbles started to come off of the wires and what appeared to be fine > strands > > of something started to come out of both of the wires and slowly move > towards > > each other. I kept power to it an additional 15 minutes. > > > > I swished the glass of water around and shot a laser pointer through it. > > There's definitely something in there. I took a mouthful and swished it > > around and gargled for a minute or two and then repeated. It had a strange > > taste and I felt like I got a buzz but that could have been psychological. > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@id.net> > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com> Received: from rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (rly-zd03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.227]) by air-zd03.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Wed, 08 Dec 1999 13:12:52 -0500 Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (v66.4) with ESMTP; Wed, 08 Dec 1999 13:12:13 -0500 Received: (from smart...@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA09800; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:12:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:12:06 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01bf41a7$b9d12aa0$4de4e...@tremwms> From: "Trem Williams" <t...@silvergen.com> To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> References: <0.3264399f.257f3...@aol.com> Subject: Re: CS>Hello List Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:41:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <"tGpXZ2.0.1P2.rzfJu"@mx1> Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: <silver-list@eskimo.com> archive/latest/17395 X-Loop: silver-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com >>
