HI-POWER *AC* CS GENERATOR

1998-07-17 Thread Charles L. Church
With all the know how on this list concerning electrical manufacture,
would it not be an easy thing to build an AC generator also? Could we
not likewise bypass the high dollar AC units by building our own?
Obviously it would cost more than building a DC unit, but the savings
would likely be proportional to the expenditure. Is there really a
reason to spend 400-800 dollars on an AC unit that can likely be built
for 50-100?

Charles


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RE: Microhydrin

1998-07-16 Thread Charles L. Church
Sorry but I didn't get in on the beginning of this string, and hence find
myself very curious about what micohydrin IS. Would someone mind filling me
in?

Charles

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From:   John and Valerie Surgeon [mailto:surg...@olympus.net]
Sent:   Thursday, July 16, 1998 3:09 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject:Re: Microhydrin

At 11:32 PM 7/15/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Reid, when you investigate microhydrin, go a bit slowly, OK?  We are all
different, but bottom line for me was I didn't
>trust what was happening to me with it.
>
>Best
>
>Whitney
>From John:

Could this be an effect similar to the electroporation Dr. Beck warns
against?  Maybe it could be called hypersensitivity, to cover chemical
effects. I keep coming back to testing for the best match of your body and
helpful substances.  Wonder if there electrodermal or syncrometer testing
would help, or is there a simpler way to do that?


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RE: Brain fog anecdotes

1998-07-16 Thread Charles L. Church
Dear Whitney,

This may sound like a strange remedy, but it gave me sleep after many years
of not sleeping. Make sure you are regular. I was utterly constipated and
didn't know it. I started drinking prune juice 1/2 hour before breakfast
every morning, and began to sleep again. Now I have to do this before supper
also. You also may wish to consider the herbs Kava Kava and Passion flower.
If you are interested write me, and I can tell you where to get some.
Interestingly I went to the doctor for this and they told me I needed a
shrink. I told them they were incompetent. An old rustic from Missouri is
the one who told me about the prune juice! So much for "needing" a
doctor.. like a whole in the head. You should also consider another
STRANGE remedy. That is venom therapy. It is supposed to work great for
people with MS.  You get stung by bees, and for some reason the venom is
healing to it. Just do a search and you'll come up with plenty. I know a
doctor in Missouri who does it, if you may happen to be close to him.

Charles

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From:   Philip Collins [mailto:xanadu...@email.msn.com]
Sent:   Sunday, July 12, 1998 9:42 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject:Re: Brain fog anecdotes

Hello, Tom.

 I also have all kinds of symptoms including "fog" and fatigue, and I think
I must to a "liver flush" or several.  Trouble is, I dread it like death
itself.  Please write and tell me it wasn't so bad.  Particularly, how did
you manage to sleep through the night, or didn't you?  If you did not sleep,
what happened to you?  Clark says, comfortingly, that if you dont' sleep
through the night, "you may have the worst night of your life"  well, I have
not slept through a night in the last decade.  And no amount of ornithine is
going to fool my body into thinking eight hours equals four.  So I wonder
what I am going to face?  Can you help?

thanks!

Whitney Collins

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
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Subject: OT: Brain fog anecdotes







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RE: Doctors

1998-07-16 Thread Charles L. Church


Perhaps some of the exasperation so many feel about MD's grows out of the
fact that the medical establishment has indeed achieved such important,
life-saving discoveries and treatments, that *they*and*we* somehow have
gotten the misconception that they are supposed to know everything and help
everyone every time.  If *we*and*they* could remember that they are just
humans like the rest of us, doing their best and sometimes succeeding,
sometimes failing, we could drop the resentment and get on with the business
of helping people be healthy.

The medical establishment has indeed achieved a great deal when it comes to
DIAGNOSIS. They have been great failures, however, at the TREATMENT of
disease for some time, and grow increasingly so. They are FANTASTIC for
treating trauma, but when it comes to disease, they are almost entirely a
pack of mindless and unprincipled thieves cloned at the pharmaceutical
corporations training centers, commonly called "medical schools". The reason
people have god-like expectations from them, is because they assume a
god-like air, and become insulted if they are not accorded the consequent
worship of their assumption.
If there are any among them who could not be so described, then let them
acknowledge the general character of their profession to prove the validity
of their claim They have poisoned us and been used to spread disease in the
name of healing it for long enough now to loose their general repute as
healers entirely. May they be forsaken as they so richly deserve.

Charles

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RE: Comfrey Off the Topic

1998-07-16 Thread Charles L. Church
Comfrey looks somewhat like Borage, has somewhat spear like dark green
leaves, and is a perenial that grows about 2-4 ft in height. If you go to my
page http://www.piggott.net/~hhr/links.html there should be two links there
that deal with plant I.D., and one of them would hopefully have a color
picture of comfrey. You will likely have to buy some and put in your yard,
and then WATCH OUT, because it is very vivacious and can take over a flower
bed. I would just find a good herb grower, and buy some from them and plant
it.

Charles

-Original Message-
From:   ramakrishna Kothalanka [mailto:humaru...@webtv.net]
Sent:   Sunday, July 12, 1998 11:51 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject:Re: Comfrey Off the Topic

HOW DO I KNOW IF I HAVE CAMFREY PEPSIN IN MY YARD ; HOW DOES THIS PLANT
LOOK LIKE; WHERE CAN I GET OKRA PEPSIN AND CAMFREY PEPSIN?

THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION..


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RE: Provocative thoughts

1998-07-13 Thread Charles L. Church
It seemed SO severe, and I tried continuing, until I just couldn't.  Usually
a "Herx" reaction would let up with a little time right?

Charles

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From:   Philip Collins [mailto:xanadu...@email.msn.com]
Sent:   Sunday, July 12, 1998 9:45 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject:Re: Provocative thoughts

Hello, Charles.

Brain fog is certainly an awful symptom.  But I wonder if the brain fog you
mention is a kind of Herx?  Any thoughts?

Whitney Collins

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: Provocative thoughts


>GSE, Grapefruit seed extract, also called "standardized extract of
>grapefruit", is a powerful antimicrobial agent that is effective against
>yeast and protazoans. However MANY people who take it get severe brain
>fog such as myself.




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Gabe Anast

1998-07-12 Thread Charles L. Church

Gabe, if you are still on this list, will you please e-mail me privately at
h...@piggott.net ? The mail I send you is being returned.

Charles



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Re: psoriasis

1998-07-05 Thread Charles L. Church
BTW  Yellow dock grows everywhere, and its not too late to harvest
it, thought it is all brown and dead on top. Pull it up, and make a tea
(boil for about 20 minutes) using about 1-2 tablespoons. The amount in a
capsule is not likely to do you much good unless you take a heap of
them.

Charles

Debbie McDonald wrote:

> Once again, delete if not interested. I did not note who was using
> remedies so
> sending to list.
>
> > > Has anyone used yellowdock tea for psoriasis..thanks.
> > >
> > No, but I am taking herb capsules which contain yellow dock.  Just
> > started taking them a week ago and am noticing positive reduction of
> my
> > red patches.  I am also applying aloe vera gel topically twice a day
>
> > which dramatically reduces itching and promotes healing.
> >
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Re: another site

1998-07-05 Thread Charles L. Church
While 5-HTP is apparently some great stuff, beware as most of it has
stearic acid or magnesium stearate in it, which I have been told is very
hard on the immune system. If anyone on the list has any knowledge about
the stearic acid thing, I'd appreciate more understanding.

Charles

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> In case this helps any of us, (delete if not interested). I only read
> part of
> the book excerpt on 5-htp and it was very interesting. It included
> sections on
> CFS, Depression, etc . Take a look.
>
> > http://www.iherb.com
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Re: Provocative thoughts

1998-07-05 Thread Charles L. Church
Hi Debbie,

GSE, Grapefruit seed extract, also called "standardized extract of
grapefruit", is a powerful antimicrobial agent that is effective against
yeast and protazoans. However MANY people who take it get severe brain
fog such as myself. One list subscriber recently posted an excellent
link to a page about excitotoxins, which are toxins which excite never
cells, (i.e., primarily brain cells) to DEATH. Aspartame, "Nurti-sweet"
is the prime culprit. But there are a great many of them, and they are
allowed to be labeled under nearly any description, such as "natural
flavors"! Watch what you eat! Anyway I thoguht to ask this question,
which is probably erroneous, but I thought I would see what people on
the list may think. Is. GSE an excitotoxin, seeing as it has this
peculiar effect in so many people?

Charles

Debbie McDonald wrote:

> >
> > >Could I suggest the unthinkable as a POSSIBILITY? Not saying it is
> > >true just a mere thought
> > >
> > >Could G.S.E.  actually BE an excitotoxin seeing as it causes the
> brain
> > >fog?
>   I missed something here, please fill me in on the thread that says
> that GSE
> causes brain fog.  Deb
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Follow-up on Castor Oil

1998-07-05 Thread Charles L. Church
I just found the article sorry about that anyway, I would still
like to know if it would be alright to put this article on my web site.

Charles


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Castor Oil

1998-07-05 Thread Charles L. Church
Dear List,

Would the person who posted that GREAT message on castor oil be willing
to send it along to me at h...@piggott.net ? I seem to have misplaced it.
Also, would it be acceptable to put this information on my home page?
http://www.piggott.net/~hhr/

Thanks

Charles L. Church


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Provocative thoughts

1998-07-05 Thread Charles L. Church


Could I suggest the unthinkable as a POSSIBILITY? Not saying it is
true just a mere thought

Could G.S.E.  actually BE an excitotoxin seeing as it causes the brain
fog?

Secondly, I've been meaning to suggest to the list another WILD
possibility... please forgive me if I seem rustic, but could the removal
of silver and gold coin from circulation be a major contributing factor
the onset of so many modern diseases? Mankind have used these for money,
(and for very good reason), from creation till now, and now all these
wierd diseases? I know that with WHO and nice organizations of similar
treachery we need not necessarily have this as a cause, but is it
possible?

Charles
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Re: Testing CS/grapefruit seed extract

1998-07-03 Thread Charles L. Church
This post GREATLY provoked my curiosity, but when I clicked on the link
it said "Object not found". Any help? I REALLY would like to see this
info.

Charles

Brooks Bradley wrote:

>  Your reference to "brain fog" prompts me to offer the following
> suggestion.   Our research group has been doing some investigational
> inspections of existing literature/research results relating to
> Excitotoxinsand their effect on the human brain.  Among our
> sources we
> discovered the work of Dr. Russell L. Blaylock, M.D.  Our entire staff
> was
> thunder-struck by the evidence Dr. Blaylock revealed.  I encourage all
>
> members of this list to avail themselves  of a general review of his
> work.
> This gentleman is a "world-class"  neurosurgeon/pathologist who
> communicates quite understandably to the lay-person.  For a revealing,
>
> shocking revelation of one of the most tragicand pressing problems
>
> faced by the U.S. public I highly recommend you access a fascinating
> recent
> public interview between Dr. Blaylock and radio host Jeff Rense.  This
>
> interview may be accessed by contacting
> http://www.audionet.com/shows/endofthe line/archive.stmthen click
> on
> the July 2  program.  I believe this to be "cutting-edge"
> information.  Our
> research group is a non-profit, privately-funded group with absolutely
> NO
> connection to Dr. Blaylock or his staff.  Brooks Bradley.
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GSE/Brain Fog

1998-07-03 Thread Charles L. Church
For the enecdotal record:
When I said I took GSE for my Hep C and that it only made me sicker, the
"brain fog" was exactly what I was speaking of. It was indescribable.

Charles




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Re: Peter/MS

1998-07-03 Thread Charles L. Church
Dear Peter,

Was grieved to hear of your condition. I have Hep. C and am also may be
in "the beginning of the end". I have heard that venom therapy works
VERY well for MS sufferers. Have you considered it, or tried it? In case
you don't know what that is, it refers to bee venom. You get stung in
several places, and for some reason the venom is healing. They ice it
first to deaden the pain, but I'm sure it still hurts. If you did a
search for bee venom therapy, I'm sure you would find some info. Find a
doctor who does it, (I know of one in Missouri), and if he's worth his
salt he'll teach you to do it yourself; where, how often, etc. Hope this
helps.

Charles

Harvey Flatbush wrote:

>
>
> Hi Peter,   I don't know if you saw this posted a few wees ago on the
> list or not but I bookmarked and kept it for whomever might need it.
> It sounds worth checking out.  These are both the same but you may be
> able to read one easier than the other.
>
> http://aspin.asu.edu/msnews/mac.htm
> http://www.cris.com/~Debwalt/mylife/roger.shtml
>
> Praying for you,
>
> Harvey
>
> At 07:35 PM 7/2/98 -0700, you wrote:
> >Susan or anyone who can help;
> >I am in a wheel chair and getting all sorts of allergies , can't
> walk,
> >constant pain, concentration problems etc.etc. Is this all m.s.
> related or
> >should I be rigorously doing a antibiotic regime? Sure as tooting am
> going
> >downhill fast.
> >Take care,
> >Peter K.
> >
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RE: Proposed rules from the FDA (long)

1998-06-30 Thread Charles L. Church

> . they also are literally killing their own people with the
> restriction on alternative medicines ...the churches are just as
> bad  for suppressing information for 1500 years to keep people under
> their control .
>

"The Churches"??? A little broad, don't you think? While many churches have
no other end than that which you name, (to keep people under their control,
though not necessarily by this means), some few, precious few, are dominated
by genuine servants of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and Saviour of all who
believe in Him for salvation.

Charles L. Church



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Rosemary's maybe

1998-06-21 Thread Charles L. Church

Please allow me to make several observations on the Rosemary Jacobs case.

First, it may be safely presumed that Mrs. Jacobs was not the ONLY person in 
the world who took this nasal medication. There are likely millions of others 
who took it. But if the product she took is the cause of her color change, then 
where are the millions of blue people as could be the only valid evidence of 
such a claim? Mrs. Jacobs is guilty of "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc", i.e., 
"after this, therefore because of this", i.e., I drank milk and got cancer 
ergo milk is a carcinogen. 

Second, and along the same lines, if Mrs. Jacobs claim is true, WHERE are the 
millions of blue people today who should be turning blue from the use of this 
dangerous colloidal silver? Its use is exploding, yet where are all the blue 
people? Were her story true, the totalitarians at Washington D.C. would have 
made a separate status for them as "people of color", and have extended special 
rights and status to them. 

Third, suppose there is some validity to her claim, but that it is only a 
remote possibility that these substances can cause this effect. Then must we 
not trace the effect to some other cause, or combination of causes, and not 
ONLY to colloidal silver? Suppose that colloidal silver causes this effect when 
combined with other substances? Is that a valid justification to vilify its 
use? If so, then we ought to ban chlorine bleach, because if added to ammonia 
it makes a deadly gas that will kill you. Or suppose that some pre-existing 
health complication causes the body to  fail to properly metabolize the CS such 
that it causes this resulting pigmentation, will the disinterested enthusiasts 
at the FDA ban Tylenol because it shouldn't be taken during pregnancy? Until 
such factors can be determined, it is obvious that CS cannot bear the blame for 
the result. 

It appears to me that the whole claim is utterly invalid, and that it is just 
one more attempt to exterminate a powerful competitor to pharmaceutical 
interests who cannot patent those substances that HEAL. God made healing 
substances such that they are natural, and therefore unable to be patented, so 
as to evict such people imposing themselves in oppression. Such men, therefore, 
attempt to overthrow his order.

Charles

-Original Message-
From:   Michael C Slivinski [SMTP:sunbr...@mymail.net]
Sent:   Sunday, June 21, 1998 8:36 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com; silverwo...@bigfoot.com
Subject:Re: Colloidal Silver (The Jacobs story)

Hello All and for Nancy, here is the ref refered to below:

http://www.tomifobia.com/previous/rosemary.html

mike slivinski

At 07:30 PM 6/20/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Is this the "blue lady?"  If not, please site a reference;
>I'd like to see this page.
>
>If it's the woman I'm thinking of, I don't think she used
>colloidal silver.  I think it was a
>prescription silver salt in which case the ppm
>(concentration) and the particle size would have been far
>greater than that of the CS we generally refer to here.
>What we take is not much higher than what's considered
>acceptable for daily silver derived from water and foods we
>eat.
>
>Presenting CS as though it is the same as silver salts is
>like saying a raisin is the same as a prune.  I read a whole
>medical article about the supposed dangers of CS, but there
>was no real data pertaining to CS; it all was evidence based
>on silver salts and protein silver in high concentrations.
>(The reference is on my web page, it's a review of
>literature by Fung, et. al. from the Journal of Toxicology.)
>
>Sincerely,
>Nancy
>
>http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/silver-works (get a free
>web page there if you can use one.)
>-Original Message-
>From: Michael C Slivinski 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>Date: Saturday, June 20, 1998 1:00 PM
>Subject: Re: Colloidal Silver (The Jacobs story)
>
>
>>Hello All,
>>I looked at Rosmary Jacob's, Web Page, and just wanted to
>comment that it is
>>interesting that they site the many cases of success using
>CS as anecdotal.
>>
>>But when they site her case it is not considered anecdotal
>in the sense of:
>> (where are the many others cases like hers that have had
>experienced cs
>>poisoning - argyric).
>>
>>It is important to know what else she took during her
>period of illness
>>that might be giving her this appearance/symtoms through
>the years.
>>
>>We know certain medications and herbal combinations cause
>side effects and the
>>doctor wants too blame the herbs and the nutritionists want
>to blame the drugs.
>>
>>It is both obviously... well, maybe not obvious to some
>people.
>>
>>Just a side story a friend of mind did some serious
>carrot jucing and his
>>skin turned an almost light brown orange color and he was
>seeing a doctor for
>>a required physical checkup and the doctor says... oh the
>color is the carrot
>>pigment in his body. My friend says... gee! a friend of
>mine jucies a lot of
>>spinach and greens and his skins n

OzWater/Ozone Sufflation

1998-06-18 Thread Charles L. Church

Dear Silver Folks,

Many thanks for all the great information I'm getting, both public and private. 
One individual suggested the use of a product called OzWater, and making 
contact with them it seems like a great product. It is basically a high grace 
HVAC silver product. They also have a Zinc product I am considering, and they 
carry  many others besides. As I am thinking about carrying the silver in my 
business, I thought that I would first ask for any input from the list.
Secondly, one e-mail that was sent to me mentioned a great deal about the ozone 
therapy. I was particularly interested in the ozone colonic sufflation 
introducing ozone gas into the colon so as to ozonate the blood going to the 
liver through the portal vein. Where would such gas be acquired? What is the 
mode and protocol for such a treatment? If not here, where could such 
information be come by? 
Thanks again for all your help.

Sincerely,

Charles L. Church
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RE: Ulcers

1998-06-18 Thread Charles L. Church
A little off beat here so far as CS is concerned, but

For a stomach ulcer you might try the following

Slippery Elm bark... Soothes and coats the intestinal tract

Aloe Vera Juice... very healing to open inflamations

Licorice root, has cortisone like substances that can reduce the body's 
overraction.

Of course, use the CS too!

Charles

-Original Message-
From:   Joyce Inouye [SMTP:jinou...@ccsf.cc.ca.us]
Sent:   Wednesday, June 17, 1998 9:44 PM
To: bill...@cheerful.com
Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject:Re: Ulcers


Since the lower esophagus is close to the stomach, the ulcers could be
caused by the same bacteria which causes stomach ulcers.  The stomach
ulcer is easy to cure with the right antibiotic.  

I think silver would work if the bacteria is susceptible to the silver. 
(Note that some pathogens are resistant to silver.)  I wouldn't know the
protocol for treating it, but you could try drinking silver water or
eating food with silver.  

If that doesn't work, perhaps the best thing would be to make a thick
mixture of honey and silver (also lemon if you want), and drip it down
your esophagus with a tablespoon over a period of time.  (It takes only
about 6 minutes to kill an organism in contact with colloid of silver.) In
this way, the sticky honey will stick to your esophagus ulcer,
giving time for the silver to do its job.  

The protocol worked for me to get rid of a sore throat using a thick
honey-lemon mixture.  With my head on my pillow, I dripped the honey-lemon
down my throat.  When I first used this technique for my throat, I felt so
sick I thought I was going to die. It may have been a coincidence, but it
was a turning point in my illness.  The lemon has vitamin C (an
antioxidant) which also helps the immune system do its job. 

Let me know if it works for esophagus ulcer.

Regards,

:)  Joyce Inouye   



On Wed, 17 Jun 1998 bill...@cheerful.com wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have a friend that has ulcers in his lower esophagus(?).  Does anyone
> know if CS will help this situation and if so what should the protocol be?
> 
> BTW I have a HVAC CS machine called the Mother Lode manufactured by Dr.
> Ripley at
> 
> drrip...@rconnect.com   The machine can be seen at
> 
> http://www.register.com/motherlode/
> 
> It operates at 15,000 vac and works very much the same  as Bruce's.  The
> only thing I don't care for is the PH at the completion of the run.  After
> 2 hrs a gallon of 7-8 ppm according to the paperwork that came with it,
> Tests out to 63 ppm with a TDS 1 and a ph of 3.7.  ph at the start was 7.0
> and tds 1 or less.  Dr Ripley's machine uses a silver plate as the cathode
> and a small silver wedge as the anode.  He does not recommend that you alow
> a cone to jump up to this but rather keep it high enough so that you have a
> visible arc during the whole process.
> 
> Any comments would be appreciated.
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: SEARS DISTILLER & ozone

1998-06-17 Thread Charles L. Church
Would anyone know of the possible dangers of O3's oxidizing effect in the 
negative sense? Doubtless there can be benefits from oxygenation, but being an 
oxidant, and therefore a free radical, couldn't O3 damage the body, such that 
it will deplete the availability of antioxidants in the body which combat 
disease causing agents? I've taken the H2O2 and all it did was make me good and 
sick. I've heard the Ozone is not that way, but don't know that much about it. 
I'll check out the web site.

Charles

-Original Message-
From:   Joyce Inouye [SMTP:jinou...@ccsf.cc.ca.us]
Sent:   Wednesday, June 17, 1998 12:48 AM
To: bjs1779
Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject:Re: SEARS DISTILLER & ozone


It may be a good idea make ozone water.  I wonder whether colloidal silver
and ozone would work synergistically is getting rid of pathogens in our
body?

I've read that ozone kills HIV virus, and it's possible to reverse the
condition in a month.  But whenever a doctor in the United States used to
try ozone experiments, the FDA closed them down.  You can read a little
about ozone at the following web site.  Click on Ozone. 

http://hills.ccsf.cc.ca.us/~jinouy01

Also, scroll down to almost the end to the web page.  Under the topic of
FREEDOM, you will find that people all over the world are fighting the
IlluminatiNewWorldOrder takeover of natural medicines. 

Because of greed and ego, there are a lot of lies spread by the group of
people who want to control the world, and who have their agents in our 
 FDA, the Environmental Protection Agency, the drug cartels (pharmacies),
medical establishment, etc.  Even my nutrition teacher believed that ozone
is dangerous.  At extremely high dosages, ozone can be dangerous, but it
smells terrible causing people to leave the room before the ozone gets
concentrated enough to harm them.  Some of the top laboratories are using
ozone fans because it eliminates chemical odors. 

I know people who have had ozone machines for years.  Ozone brings down
dust, germs, etc. from the air, and has helped lots of people with asthma. 
(Although there may be a "detoxing" period, where you'd get worse as
"poisons" leave your body, which happens also with healing foods. But this
usually lasts only 3 weeks or so.)

I feel university courses should be taught by experts in the field.  My
professor is so busy teaching, she can't keep current with the latest
research, except through controlled propaganda given her (at seminars,
field trips, etc.).  And soon, I feel the Internet may be controlled, too. 
I'm being led more and more to "scientific and medical" papers; not to the
healing remedies.  

:)  Joyce Inouye   



On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, bjs1779 wrote:

> Tai-Pan wrote:
> > h2o2
> >   Its effective action as a bactericidal agent is questionable. Its
> >  nontoxic.
> 
> The food industry uses it  expressly for the pupose of its
> anti-bacterial properties.
> 
> 
> >Now Ozone (O3) is quite toxic and used primarily as an industrial
> >  bleach. Its a strong oxidizing agent and used to bleach colored
> >  substances to colorless compounds, such as oils,waxes and fabrics.
> >  Silver,which is normally not oxidized by most things is readily
> > oxidized by Ozone (blackened). Natural rubber becomes hard and brittle
> > when ozone
> >  attacts it. It is sometimes used to purify air and sterilize water but
> >  it attacts everything around it (the equipment) causing a lot of
> >  corrosion and equipment failures and toxic releases. That makes it not
> >  economical to use and hazardous to have around.
> >
> 
> What you say is not quite the correct picture of o3. I snipped up
> an article that capsulates what is really going on.
> 
> 
> 
>   OxyFile #345 
> 
> 
> Ozone: Life-Threatening Pollutant or Powerful Healing Agent?
> 
> Nathaniel Altman
> author of Oxygen Healing Therapies
> 
> 
> 1. Municipal water treatment.
> 
> 
> "Chlorination as it is practiced in potable-water treatment plants 
> cannot adequately remove viruses to an acceptable level. The 
> complete control of viruses by ozone at low dosage levels is well 
> documented."4 
> 
> 
> Today more than 2500 municipalities around the world purify their 
> water supplies with ozone, including Los Angeles, Paris, Montreal, 
> Moscow, Kiev, Singapore, Brussels, Florence, Turin, Marseilles, 
> Manchester and Amsterdam.
> 
> Ozone has also been used to purify the water in public swimming 
> pools since 1950. During the Olympic Games held in Los Angeles 
> during the summer of 1984, the European teams insisted that the 
> water in the swimming pools be treated with ozone (as opposed to 
> chlorine) or they would not participate in the events.
> 
> 
> 
> 5. Medical Ozone
> .
> 
> Today some 8000 licensed health practitioners (including medical 
> doctors, homeopathic physicians and naturopaths) in Germany use 
> ozone in their practices, while some 15,000 practitioners use 
> ozone on the European continent,

Introduction

1998-06-17 Thread Charles L. Church
My name is Charles L. Church, and I live in Piggott, Arkansas. I am married and 
have seven children. I also have Hepatitis C. I was recently told that 
Colloidal Silver offered some hope for actually killing the virus itself, and 
so I am joining the list to get some answers to some specific questions, which 
I will address in separate posts.. Glad you're here..

Charles

<>

Silver Generators faulty?

1998-06-17 Thread Charles L. Church
My name is Charles L. Church, and I have Hepatitis C, and believe I am dying. I 
also own a business that sells bulk herbs and other natural health products and 
appliances. http://www.piggott.net/~hhr/ A customer, a naturopathic doctor who 
claims to have done extensive research into Colloidal silver, recently told me 
that the average silver generators are grossly flawed in that the particle size 
they generate is too large to efficiently enter the blood stream where it is 
needed, and consequently make their way down the alimentary canal and into the 
colon where they can supposedly cause mischief. I am ALWAYS leery of claims 
that only one overrated, overpriced product can cure you, and the one that is 
readily available is useless. That is the basic AMA line of reasoning. Yet the 
individuals sincerity, credentials, and most of all, his arguments, seemed to 
be credible. However, I am not in a good position to be able judge his 
arguments, not being a physicist or chemist or electrical engineer. 
One thing troubles me, however. I know that colloidal silver is very very 
inexpensive to manufacture. So why is this product hundreds of dollars a 
gallon? Why, when purchased from other companies making the same claims, is it 
even 10.00 per oz.? 
I asked this individual precisely how it was that his manufacturing process 
produced this smaller particle (.01 microns). He replied that they use a much 
higher voltage I think he said 100,000 volts. Don't know what the amps were 
or if, in this case, it matters. So my questions are two:
a) Is there any merit to his claims of the effects of particle size.
b) If there is, what method would I use to transform voltage to that degree of 
current, and how would amperage effect it? 

I should also point out that a considerable market opportunity would exist if 
these claims are true, as I don't think it would be that hard to make a new 
type of generator which used this technology.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Charles L. Church
h...@piggott.net
http://www.piggott.net/~hhr/
<>