Re: CSpH
Hi Pat: Concentrace and Coral Calcium won't do it. I have a method I use with individuals who are in real trouble with their PH; I developed the lowest cost method of raising the body's PH level, and have been using it with indivdiuals for a few years... But, I've come under alot of attack for the method, so I've stopped 'publically' recommending it ( it's not worth the aggravation of getting 'yelled' at, especially since I don't profit from it ). The next best method is to use fresh lemons squeezed in water. How much lemon water is needed is totally dependent upon how much acid the body needs to dump. You can start out with 1/2 lemon three times a day, and continually track the results through your PH. You get the added benefit of lemon as an internal cleanser; it is absolutely wonderful for the liver. A ph of 5.5 is not safe... My opinion is that your saliva's PH should absolutely never drop below 6.5... and a steady 7 is better. Kind Regards, Jason Pat wrote: Hi. I bought some pH paper, but it's the .5 increment kind since there was no product description available at LEF. Anyway, my first a.m. saliva and urine are 5.5. and most of the other times I've checked,it was between 5.5 and 6. I've been eating fairly well I thought except for too much sugar in things. Isn't peach cobbler great for one, it's fruit??? hehehe I bought some Concentrace but have only used 1/2 tsp. twice since it's pretty yucky tasting even in Green Goodness juice. I got some coral calcium too. What all should I do to get the pH up? Pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSArgyria, Vit E, etc.
Hi Terry: Thanks for those comments. I hope you don't mind that I quoted them here: http://www.eytonsearth.org/forum/about7.html Also, anyone who is having problems with the argyria cure is welcome to email me for assistance... The cure won't work if the lymphatic system is not properly stimulated. However, it can be expensive to identify exactly why this is occuring. Since each person is an idividual, each situation needs to be evaluated independently. In other words, people with developing Lupus, auto-immune disorders, etc., may require additional support. Best Regards, Jason Terry Chamberlin wrote: I feel a need to comment on the anti-argyria supplementation. Vit E has been used effectively for decades to lower high blood pressure. However, when starting a Vit E regimen (whether for high blood pressure or argyria), it is important to start small (400 I.U./day or less if you have high BP) and work up to higher amounts. The Canadian medical doctors, the Shute brothers, found that taking high doses right from the start, without working up, could cause high blood pressure to shoot up even higher, at least initially. Also of great importance is to ingest natural and concentrated mixed tocopherol vitamin E (d-alpha), cold-pressed or unrefined food quality, rather than synthetic forms (dl-alpha). Synthetic Vit E is synthesized from turpentine, acetone, and acetylin. One common form is d-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate N.F. You will also notice the form - tocopheryl - which is not the same as the natural tocopherol. Further deception is accomplished when natural Vit E (tocopherol) is esterified to prevent it oxidizing (which neutralizes its benefit). This then becomes d-alpha tocopheryl. So, dl-alpha tocopherol/tocopheryl is synthetic, made from turpentine, among other things. d-alpha tocopheryl was natural to start, but altered (esterified) to make it worthless (kind of like hydrogenating healthy oils). d-alpha tocopherol (especially if it is designated cold-pressed) is natural and effective. See: www.enerex.ca/articles/new_old_findings_on_unique_vitamin_e.htm Terry Chamberlin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSArgyria treatment?
Hi Mike: The short version: --- Cure for Argyria: The Formula 3 Vitamin E 1000 mg 100% Natural d-alpha Tocopheryl ( note that this can be a dangerous amount of Vitamin E ) 1 Selenium 100mcg yeast free 2 vegetarian Vitamin C 1000 mg 1 teaspoon MSM organic 1 super potency Vitamin B 100, 1 teaspoon of Kelp powder: Taken every morning with 2 16oz glasses of water, with close to a total of 3/4 of a gallon drinking water a day. On my old forum, there were two individuals that successfully used the formula; many of the message posts, however, were lost. http://www.eytonsearth.org/forum/about7.html There are some other interesting posted above, including a brief summary of the argyria case handled by Dr. Ziem with the John Hopkins Center of Environmental Medicine. Kind Regards, Jason Mike Devour wrote: Greetings gang! I don't have access to my archives right now so I need to ask for some information. Bob Medwith or Jason Eaton are the likeliest to be able to answer this for me: What is the current protocol for reversing argyria that Bob is using right now on himself? An answer at the earliest opportunity would be appreciated! Be well, all! Mike D. [Mike Devour, mdev...@eskimo.com] [Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian ] [Speaking only for myself ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSozonated olive oil
Greetings, Yes, Saul often contradicts himself. He actually kicked me off the oxy plus list ( after Jim passed away ) for disagreeing with him. Of course, eventually I understood why, after corresponding with Ed McCabe. To get back to the point, under no circumstances should ANYTHING with ozone in it be stored in plastic. Some plastic is partially, and temporarily, resistant to ozone. http://ift.confex.com/ift/2001/techprogram/paper_8541.htm Even this research is not quite accurate, in that it is limited to ozonation of water, and THEN storing the water in plastic... Which is far different from the plastic being constantly subjected to fresh ozone, or in the case of a concentrated ozone product ( like ozonated oils ) being stored long term in plastic. There is no such thing as ozone-resistant plastic. I was recently asked by a University to supply them with a long term supply of ozonated oils. I imagine I could have made a very nice profit. The truth is, it's safer and more affordable to buy your own equipment and do it right than to purchase it from someone...especially someone who cuts corners for the sake of profit. Kind Regards, Jason feather...@netscape.net wrote: Wendy and all, thanks for your advise. I think next time i order some, i will wait for cold weather to make sure it is most effective. Here is the response i got in email from Saul-This does contradict his advise to his yahoo group that in melting it loses its effectiveness. It is interesting that it can *regain* its effectiveness.Miracles never cease:) His post to me.. Sorry about the leaking. Summer shipping is problematic. However, just put it in the fridge and it will regain its thickness, and effectiveness. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSozonated olive oil
Hi Sol: By the time the distilled water is bottled, the ozone is usually long gone... or, the levels of ozone are so little as to have no effect. Ozone's half life in water is roughly 30 minutes for room temperature water; less when heated. My testing indicates that plastic that does react with ozone outgasses, and I've measured this using a PWT meter. As an example, with a plastic vinyl hose used for ozonation, at first there was no measureable reaction. As the plastic began to react, however, I could measure the contaminants in the water, as the conductivity rapidly and drastically increased. 3 Minutes of ozonation, when the wrong substances are in direct contact with concentrated ozone, resulted in a stable conductivity change from initial readings of .3Us to 400 - 500 uS. Kind Regards, Jason sol wrote: Jason E wrote: To get back to the point, under no circumstances should ANYTHING with ozone in it be stored in plastic. Would you include distilled water in that statement? Isn't commercially sold DW ozonated? Some plastic is partially, and temporarily, resistant to ozone. http://ift.confex.com/ift/2001/techprogram/paper_8541.htm Even this research is not quite accurate, in that it is limited to ozonation of water, and THEN storing the water in plastic... Which is far different from the plastic being constantly subjected to fresh ozone, or in the case of a concentrated ozone product ( like ozonated oils ) being stored long term in plastic. There is no such thing as ozone-resistant plastic. I was recently asked by a University to supply them with a long term supply of ozonated oils. I imagine I could have made a very nice profit. The truth is, it's safer and more affordable to buy your own equipment and do it right than to purchase it from someone...especially someone who cuts corners for the sake of profit. Much the same as with EIS, eh? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSozonated olive oil
Ozonated olive oil should really be kept in glass. It should not be shipped unless it can be kept cold via refrigeration. Sherri Lee should know better, as her husband is Saul Pressman ( who like to go by Dr. Pressman, although he is just a chiropractor ). Kind Regards, Jason feather...@netscape.net wrote: About a week and half ago, one of the members wrote the bennefits of using ozonated olive oil and posted a web site. I ordered it, and it came yesterday from SLW SERVICES in langley bc. It is an unlabeled white 2oz plastic jar, screw on lid. It was seeping liquid into the safeway plastic bags used for packaging.No note and on emailing thru the given pay-pal email listed as sherri-...@aloeessence.com...the mail was returned as undeliverable. I have it in the refridgerator now and it is now in solid form. Does anyone know if ive been taken for $20, or is this a normal delivery for ozonated olive oil called natures gift(for skin, and after being mailed as a liquid would it still be effective).Ive never used this begore... Please advise. __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMorgellon Type Illness - Jason's experience
Hi Edith: Mind you, I didn't expect the garlic to work. And I don't believe it would have worked independently. Few plants have more legends than Garlic. A Mohammedan legend related that when Satan stepped out from the Garden of Eden after the fall of man, Garlick sprang up from the spot where he placed his left foot, and Onion from that where his right foot touched. In Europe, it was believed to be protection against the evil eye and to make witches and vampires disappear at its very sight. Racers who chewed a bit of garlic thought they could not be beaten. Hungarian jockeys attached a piece of garlic to their horse's bits to prevent the competition from winning. In Bram Stoker's Dracula, a doctor strewed the room with garlic and hung a necklace of garlic around a woman's throat in the belief that garlic would repel vampires. During the Dark Ages, people believed it could ward off the plague and wore garlands of it as protection. In fact, as recently as 1917 and 1918, Americans wore garlic garlands in public during influenza epidemics. http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/feb2001/981412302.Me.r.html My long time interpretation of vampire mythology centers around the idea that all forms of vampirism represent parasitic manifestations. If the skin parasites were repelled by garlic, then the NEW hatchlings would seek out a new home. Kind Regards, Jason ejohns9...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 5/28/2006 11:37:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, new...@aapt.net.au writes: Brilliant, Jason, thanks for sharing that. It's reassuring. Interesting about the garlic necklace; modern man is really quite contemptuous and dismissive of things the older generations used to do. They didn't do it because of double blind tests, they did it because someone experimented with what was to hand, found something that worked and shared the info with others. Really rather like you today. Rowena I too thought it a great post. It's the first positive note we've had on this illness. However, I could see taking the garlic internally but don't understand the reason for wearing it. Guess I watched too many vampire movies as a child. It does seem like I've read where people who survived the Black Plague centuries ago ate and wore garlic. Guess I need to do more reading on garlic. Thanks again Jason Edith No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.3/350 - Release Date: 5/28/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMorgellon Type Illness
Hi Arnold: These types of conditions are real. The first time I came in contact with such a case, a whole family was infected, including their cat. This was somewhere around nine years ago. The health department was called in to their house, but they could not identify any organism. You'd have thought the entire family, including the cat, was insane. However, I approached the situation with the assumption that there was an infection of some sort. Yes, these people were VERY mentally and emotionally disturbed. However, I figured that if I were experiencing what they were, I would likely be disturbed as well. On top of that, I'd never seen a psychotic cat before. The cat spent quite a bit of time just running around in circles. At the time, I did not know to try to look for fibers. The individual that had asked for my help complained about tiny jumping threads he could never see. He'd been tortured with this predicament for several years. I had him leave the environment, and coat his entire body ( including the hair/head ) with natural bentonite clay. In very short order ( an hour ) he experienced the first moments of relief from this condition in years. However, after a time, the sensations would return ( a day or more ). He would get temporary relief by repeating the clay coating on his body... Once, he did the clay therapy daily for two weeks and experienced complete relief during this time. However, it wasn't practical for him to continue due to work, etc. I hypothesized that it may have been a parasitic condition, with a 3 week ( or longer ) life cycle. IF a parasitic infection, based on the complaints, I assumed it lived on the skin, or just beneath the skin, possibly incubating in the ears or hair. I traced his infection back to a neighbor he once had who was an elderly woman originally from a remote tribe in Africa. The individual and his family had several unpleasant neighborly encounters with this individual; shortly thereafter became infected; then moved to a newe area of town in hopes of finding relief. On studying old remedies, I found that garlic was often used for parasites. Since I believed the infection was a skin infection with external body manifestations, I had the individual shower very well, apply clay over the entire body ( thinly coated but covering the skin ), and then allow the clay to dry. After the clay dried, the individual showered, and I tossed him a necklace with a few fresh cloves of garlic ( peeled ). Having doned his garlic necklace, he never experienced discomfort again. I tried to get him to get rid of the garlic necklace ( of course, he always used more fresh garlic after a few days ) after a few months. However, he was terrified of a relapse, and did not want to be without it. I saw this individual late last year; he was perfectly fine, yet still wearing the garlic necklace. This was a very strange situation ( I still shake my head in amazement when considering the memory ), but I was pleased that years of suffering for this individual had been ended -- and permanently. This individual emailed me briefly a few years ago with the following story: http://www.eytonsearth.org/healing-clay-skin-parasites.html ...there was no follow up, however. Kind Regards, Jason Arnold Beland wrote: SMax, I don't know what to think. I see no harm in an attempt to lighten the mood a bit and what I said about my ears is the truth. If you think that there are not those people on the net who are capable of promoting a sick joke then your view of human nature is somewhat Pollyannaish. The only link that I followed led me to a chemtrails group that I can not take seriously. If you have any authoritative sources, please post them ASAP. Best Regards, Arnold Beland -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShealing clay to jason
Hi Zeb: In this case ( and many others ), that's what throws the authorities off. Something so contagious should have an easily identifiable vector. Nobody else acquired the infection. Therefore, an infectious contagion abviously doesn't exist, and delusions of parasitosis is assumed. The garlic idea resulted because I was researching authentic African Voodism. I was researching this because of the lady neighbor. The thought had crossed my mind that the condition was incited. Herbal and psychotropic drug knowledges of some indigenous cultures in South America and Africa can be profoundly frightening... I don't really want to share some of this knoweldge ( method of actions ), as it can cause harm to a degree that leaves western medicine completely inept. However, I hypothesized that an agent ( biological/chemical/herbal ) might have been used to enduce a parasitic susceptibility, with the parasite introduced into the environment. I had studied a similiar infectous behavior( only, one occuring naturally ) several years earlier. In such a theoretical situation, infection would only be possible when the agent was used ( before it dissipated ) Consider something like athelete's foot. When the conditions do not exist in the body that make one suspectible to a fungal infection, it doesn't matter if the individual comes in contact with the fungi. However, when the body is susceptible, once the infection is present, it is often self-sustaining, even if the conditions in the body are changed. A rapid cure results when two things happen: The body's condition is restored, and then the infection is directly addressed. Kind Regards, Jason zeb caffe wrote: Just curious Jason,did the feuding neighbors delibertly infect the family ? How did they get infected with this encounter otherwise. It sounds very contagious. I have been reading alot of information on the healing effects of clay. That was an interesting story Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman1/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39663/*http://voice.yahoo.com to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2ยข/min or less. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.2/349 - Release Date: 5/26/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDegenerative disk disease
Greetings, Are these 150 watt heaters suitable for human use? ... or would one truly need a 300 watt far infrared heater? Thanks! ~Jason V wrote: This is where i got mine and they work great all mine are 150, they actually put out Far infrared http://www.infraredheaters.com/petwarm.htm Thanks Mike. The pet smart site shows infrared only 150 Watts. Do you know whether they actually sell them in 300 Watts somewhere. 300 Watts seems like something high enough to a Gator warm. Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net wrote: Thank you very much. Jim -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:34 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSDegenerative disk disease I think the one he's talking about encapsulates the filament in ceramic, Jim. It has a light bulb base, a body roughly the proportions of a par 38 spotlight, with the filament coiled and looped in a disc- shaped face where the front of the bulb would usually be. They're available at the pet store for warming reptiles, usually in 2 or 3 power ratings up to maybe 300 W. If you want to see them, go to www.petsmart.com and use their search function. Select Reptile in the left hand field and ceramic in the right, and it'll bring the 3 offerings they have right up. Be well, Mike D. Ted, Do you have a connection for the infrared device. Is it like a ceramic cone with the base facing out and centered in a parabolic reflector of metal? The resistance wire is twisted in a coil slightly smaller than a standard pencil, and the wire is wound around a spiral groove in the ceramic. I have been looking for those for years, and thought they were not longer available, becausethey work. -Original Message- From: Tad Winiecki [mailto:winie...@pacifier.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:44 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDegenerative disk disease Like most everyone here, I am a believer in Alternative medicine and judge things by results without necessarily knowing exactly how they work. Anyway, I have had neck problems on and off since being rear-ended some 20 years ago. Recently I had some severe new symptoms, up in the vertebra connecting to my skull, shooting pains with a numb sensation. I have a ceramic infrared bulb, the kind they sell on the internet for warming reptiles, in a ceramic socketed metal hood from the feed store, and I lay on the sofa with it heating my neck from a distance of 10-12, for a couple of hours, and it completely stopped hurting for months afterward. I was amazed. I have also used it for knees and my heel with great results too. As for how it works, I think I read something about it softening up and stretching connective tissue like ligaments and tendons. I also use trace minerals and boron in addition to multiminerals and think they have done a lot for my bone and ligament health. Some herbs have silicon which is also supposed to be important for ligament strength. I have read that in Japan they use Far Infrared for treating cancer as well. Nancy -- Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:01:07 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: EmoTap To: Subject: RE: CSDegenerative disk disease Message-Id: 4415b363.01.03...@essentially Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daddybob, I'm sure you are on to something with the salt/C, CS, and iodine, but what I m not understanding is why that would work for disintegrating disc disease. I'm failing in L1-L5. Sash -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] Carol Ann ___ The Pessimist complains about the Wind; The Optimist expects it to change; The Realist adjusts the Sails. - The world needs more sailors. - Yahoo! Travel Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! --
Re: CSRe: Far infrared bulbs
Hi Mike: Yes... I'm more comfortable going with a source product that has been studied... the entire frequency range. http://www.medicalnutrientsinc.com/heatlamp.html I'm going to give this unit a test spin It's pricey, but I like the mineral plate concept. http://www.ib3health.com/products/TDP/CQ29.shtml I also want to employ such a device to assist in transdermal adsorption... specifically, of magnesium chloride. OF course, this product would likely actually cost about $50.00 to make, if one had the proper materials. Best Regards, Jason M. G. Devour wrote: Jason asks: Are these 150 watt heaters suitable for human use? ... or would one truly need a 300 watt far infrared heater? Two 150's side by side is going to be hard to distinguish from one 300. grin One question worth asking is what kind of electromagnetic field do they generate? If I put myself in a box with a bunch of these, how bad is the bombardment? I've been wondering if it would be worthwhile to build a simple, unregulated power supply with rectifiers and filter capacitors to convert an electric lamp or ceramic heater sauna to DC power? Thoughts? Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDegenerative disk disease
Hi Daddybob: Which Ormus product did you utilize? Thanks, ~ Jason ransley wrote: OK, I don't really have a protocol for this, it's just a jumble of my experience. Background- Horrible back pain troubles since what I now think was my first ruptured lumbar disk at 17 yrs old in 1971. Came to a head in February 2003 when I knew that I was headed for a wheelchair from all the damage and pain, and I took an ormus preparation* that stopped all the lumbar pain, but that is NOT where you start to deal with this problem. That's why I say killing the disease and dealing with the damage are two distinct and separate issues. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSargyria
Hi Carol: Mark Metcalf long hinted at a cure for argyria. However, he did not prove it. I've spoken for hours with the anonymous person on the telephone, who first demonstrated this cure. This individual elects to remain anonymous because he wished to put this chapter of his life far behind him. I first talked him into letting me print what he used to cure his condition. It took some convincing. Dr. Ziem, in a landmark case, also demonstrated this same cure, when consulting with John Hopkins Center for Environmental Medicine on a case of metal toxicity so severe that they were not sure they were going to be able to save his life. I personally know the individual treated. Dr. Ziem, although now retired, is renown for medical genius concerning environmental toxicity ( http://www.chemicalinjury.net/Biosketch.htm ). I've worked with two people who have used this formula with success... although the argyria was not severe in either situation. It takes TIME, unless you add additional support methods. Some people cannot drink that much water, as an example. Therefore, you add steam therapy to the protocol. As an example, ( like I noted earlier ) Stan decided to do his own brand of surgery on the formula. He decided he didn't want to drink that much water. In such a case, an individual should probably not do the supplements, especially concerning how much Vitamin E is ingested. Another person decided that it was the MSM that was probably responsible for the recovery, and pretty much ignored everything else. Of course, it didn't work. I help those who are willing to apply themselves, and have privately consulted with individuals suffering from argyria in Australia, the U.K., and the States. Of course there are conditions that might interfere with the success of the protocol. Thyroid conditions, liver disease, obesity... I wish there was still a practicing MD such as Dr. Ziem who custom tailor specific protocols to individuals, but I have yet to find any. Kind Regards, Jason Carol Ann wrote: *Nancy. * *Wow. That lady is grey. This is an excerpt from her website under FAQ.* *Evidently, she already knows about the suggested reversal formula.* *http://www.together.net/~rjstan/argyria_photos_intro.html * * * * * *Is there a cure for argyria? * I know of two dermatologists experimenting with laser therapy. One is Allison Vidimos, MD. The other is Martin J. Safko, MD. Dr. Vidimos has treated the entire faces of two argyric people. She and the two patients are very pleased with the results. I have spoken with all three. Dr. Safko has done a test patch on one argyric person. I have seen that myself and think t! hat it looks like the patient's normal skin color. The treatment is experimental, painful and expensive. If you would like to know how to contact the doctors directly, please send me an email. There has been a cure touted on the Internet for a long time. It is the selenium - vitamin E cure. Stan Jones was reportedly trying it. So far I have not heard that it has helped or harmed him. High doses of selenium are known to be toxic and there is preliminary evidence indicating that high amounts of vitamin E may also be bad for your health. There is no scientific reason to believe that this cure might work. I've tried unsuccessfully to track it down. I suspect that it may have originated with Mark Metcalf who posted a letter from an anonymous person who claims to have successfully used the cure. Mark and I have corresponded about the matter. Mark posted our correspondence on his website along w! ith a bunch of nasty, untrue statements about me. */Nancy DeLise nancym...@prodigy.net/* wrote: That would be Rosemary Jacobs. She swears that her doctor back in 1930 or there about, gave her colloidal silver for her nose problems. The truth is she was given nose drops with PURE SILVER (Not CS) and she took it much longer than prescribed. We know that at that period in history doctors did prescribe prescriptions with powdered silver in it for various problems. Some members of our list have sent her the recipe to rid her body of the argyeria, but she w! ill not respond nor do it since argyeria is her claim to fame. She has been on Good Morning America, as well as Ripley's Believe It Or Not among others. - Original Message - *From:* Deborah G! erard mailto:devorah...@sbcglobal.net *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Saturday, March 11, 2006 11:11 PM *Subject:* Re: CSargyria has anyone ever seen a woman that has her picture posted on a webpage somewhere who had developed argyria, she sure looks familiar to me...deb Carol Ann *___* The Pessimist complains about the Wind; The Optimist expects it to change; The Realist adjusts the Sails. - The world needs more sailors.
Re: CS Argyria
Hi Charles: Yes. According to my discussion with an MD that attempted Chelation therapy with Argyria, it is useless. Laser treatment has proven far more successful, but not as successful as successfully flushing out the system. The argyria work doesn't work if one is not able to drink enough water. Without drinking enough water, it is possible that the levels of Vitamin E can be dangerous. Stan Jones decided to try the formula, but modified it because he didn't want to drink that much water. This is not wise, but neither was drinking a ton of salt process CS. By combining the wisdom gained from Dr. Ziem who cured a case of Argyria I studied ( done at John Hopkins Center for Environmental Medicine ), with the vitamin/mineral supplement cure, I believe that any case can be cured. The key additions that Dr. Ziem used, in addition to vitamin/mineral supplementation: Using bentonite internally daily Using steam sauna therapy All of the info I currently have on argyria may be found: http://www.silvermedicine.org/argyria.html and http://www.eytonsearth.org/forum/about7.html Both metabolic efficiency and metabolic burden must be addressed when considering any cleansing protocol... Which is why some people tend to get in trouble with chelation therapy. If the toxic burden in the body is too high, the body is going to fight to try to store these toxins rather than eliminate them. The body does this to protect organs. An approach with a modified Gerson Therapy protocol may also be of great benefit; dietary changes directed toward liver cleansing. However, I say modified because one is going to have to watch Vitamin E intake carefully, and Gerson often pushes alot of fresh carrot juice. Best Regards, Jason Charles Sutton wrote: address is from a different message, but Jason is pretty well up on the argeria scene.Are you there Jason? Jason Eaton ey...@lvcm.com mailto:ey...@lvcm.com Saturday, May 03, 2003 11:49 AM silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com CSRefute for silver chloride ( cure for Argyria ) Hiya Ken: You said: ..and extremely high doses and prolonged use of silver chloride 'could' result in a case of agryria. [Not likely but possible] I'm almost willing to believe at this point that high doses and prolonged use of silver chloride actually IS likely to cause Argyria, based on the last two cases I've reviewed! However, argyria is now reverseable: http://www.silvermedicine.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13 The formula used to reverse argyria, as referenced in the above link: 3 Vitamin E 1000 mg 100% Natural d-alpha Tocopheryl 1 Selenium 100mcg yeast free 2 vegetarian Vitamin C 1000 mg 1 teaspoon MSM organic 1 super potency Vitamin B 100, 1 teaspoon of Kelp powder: Taken every morning with 2 16oz glasses of water, with close to 3/4 of a gallon drinking water a day. Reversal Time: 6 months Best Regards, Jason No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/278 - Release Date: 3/9/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSdental mercury/zeolite/detox
Greetings, all: I've worked with quite a few people who had severe problems after having amalgams removed ( even with the Huggins protocol ). Those who were able to acquire a good internal healing clay, and a sufficent amount of sodium bentonite for bath use, all reported cessation of symptoms within a week: http://www.eytonsearth.org/mercury-toxicity-bentonite-clay.php This does not address, as Nenah pointed out, damage that has already occured to the central nervous system due to prolonged exposure. However, if one is able to successfully remove a problem that is a causal factor in illness, then the body can begin to heal. In my opinion, Illite is a more powerful internal detox agent than Zeolite, and has a proven lab-tracked and tested effect with mercury toxicity. However, the best illite, marketed by Argiletz in France, is very hard to find in the United States. Further, some internet searches for Argiletz Illite bring you to a page where the clay being sold is Argiletz Montmorillonite ( which is a bright green, rather than a deep green ). Zeolite is amazing. However, zeolites vary so much in their composition, that when someone says: It's zeolite, it is really nearly a meaningless term. I have a friend with severe multiple toxicities, due to working with paints and industrial chemicals for most of his life ( which he still does about 10 hours a day ). The only time the man makes any real sense at all with his thought processes, is after taking a clay bath. Zeolite is on my long term study list. I'm considering testing Bear River Zeolite: http://www.usantimony.com/brz/uses.html http://www.bearriverzeolite.com/Usage/agriculturaluses.html My experience with working with clay quarries, and various clays has led me to believe that any clay that works well for agricultural purposes and animals is excellent for human use. When I go in and dig around, search out the old timers, I can usually find the stories that demostrate human use by indigenous cultures. One could by a lifetime supply of Zeolite for internal use for under $200.00, provided one found the right zeolite to use. Bear River has done an excellent job in testing their clay; the sorption properties, particle surface area, etc. Of course, it is classified by the FDA as GRAS under 21 CFR Part 582.2729. I never seen a need for exhorbant pricing with clay supplements. If a clay has to be processed and/or modified so much to justify a high price tag, than it's the wrong clay to use. Best Regards, Jason M. G. Devour wrote: Deborah writes: I wish you would look into how bad those fillings are you might change your mind I am in my fifties and I didn't starte having any chronic illnesses until I was in my fourties but it hit the fan big time...have you heard of the alkaline testing tape?.. Pat wrote: Actually, I'd probably rather die than have to go through having several fillings redone. I recently read that root canals are dangerous too as far as infection and bone loss beneath them. I second what Deborah says. I'm only in my late forties and going down hill rapidly. Everything I try is handicapped by a suppressed metabolism and immune system. I have a mouth full of fillings. No extractions or root canals, thankfully. I'm planning a trip to the Huggins clinic to have them all replaced somewhere they actually know how to do it without exposing you to much mercury. It's a complicated and highly refined process, from the sound of everything I've read so far. You're damned right I'm gonna get'em all re-done. I'm tired of hauling a boulder uphill just to stay even. I only wish I knew to spit in the eye of the first dentist who wanted to fill one of my teeth... and new about CS at the time so I'd never need to. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSToxins
Hi Jonathan: This is one reason why external detoxification treatments prove advantageous in detox protocols, including things such as clay baths, herbal wraps, steam baths, and various traditional forms of balneotherapy and pelotherapy. As an example, I once helped a very sincere individual kick a heroin injection habit. Heroin can be stored in the spinal column and in fat tissues. So the problem is: If an individual manages to overcome the physical and mental craving cycle, on average, within six months they experience metabolic changes that result in things like weight loss, and pure heroin is adminstered back into the active metabolism. In a flash, they are right back where they started from, which is a state of complete defenslessness. The individual utilized massive amounts of hydrated green clay internally, hot springs, and a few natural clay baths. The individual never experienced any further symptoms of heroin in the system ( this was about 8 years ago ), and thus never went back to using. Steam ozone sauna therapy can assist in the removal of such toxins; but this alone is a long journey, as the activated oxygen can break down these toxins in the body, but it cannot help remove ( cleanse ) them. Kind Regards, Jason Jonathan B. Britten wrote: In Kevin Kelly's very interesting book Out of Control, he mentions something that list members might care to know: Participants in the Biosphere project, who lived in an artificial glass-domed earth for a few years, were carefully monitored in every way. Doctors noted that as they lost weight -- a lot of weight -- due to troubles raising their own food, their blood tests began to show high levels of pesticides and other environmental toxins. This was odd, because no such materials existed in the domes. One researcher had pesticides that had been outlawed 20 years earlier. The theory is that fat deposits held these toxins, which were released only when the body burned the fat as fuel. Something to think about. I wonder whether various regimens of detoxification take into account the problem of body fat. JBB -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScayenne and silver
Hi Reid: I initially did this research. Since I've started studying CS for lung conditions, I've only come across one case that utilizing a nebulizer with CS has not cured in short order ( provided that usage instructions were followed ). I became frustrated with this case. It was a case a chronic bronchitis. While CS used orally and via a nebulizer greatly helped with the condition, it did not eliminate it. Yes, the individual was (is) a smoker. To me, this was beside the point. Restriction of oxygen flow and lack of circulation are two things one may have to deal with face to face with some infections. In a small flash of inspiration, I realized that cayenne was the stimulant I needed. However, please realize that taking the capsules will not work. One must mix high heat cayenne powder with warm water, and hold it in mouth as long as possible before swallowing. Then, immediately nebulize using CS. Not to mention, that cayenne used in this manner is equal to nitroglycerin its ability to stop a heart attack. Kind Regards, Jason Reid Harvey wrote: Hi Charles, You Have wetted my appetite for cayenne, especially since I really like hot food, but could you please tell us where you got this information? And how does holding the cayenne solution under the tongue have so immediate an effect on the mucous membrane of the lungs? Reid Subject: CScayenne and silver From: Charles Sutton cds...@earthlink.net Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:39:47 -0500 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com, Silver- List silver-list@eskimo.com _came across this while researching cayenne.hope someone can use this information.._ _Cayenne and Colloidal Silver_ It is unknown exactly how effective cayenne pepper is in delivering colloidal silver to the bloodstream or organs of the body. Our experiments centered around utilizing cayenne pepper orally for use with stubborn lung infections that were resistant to other treatment. In addition to stimulating the circulatory system, cayenne loosens the mucus in the lungs associated with infections. Within only a few minutes of using cayenne orally, the mucus begins to break up, and the lungs begin a process of clearing. This treatment is ideal when nebulizing with colloidal silver. Since any colloidal silver is most effective in areas it can directly reach, utilizing cayenne in this manner can greatly increase the infection fighting properties of colloidal silver as used in the lungs. We have always chosen to use the nebulizer first to deliver colloidal silver into the lung tissues ( see the section on oxygen nebulizer use ). Then, having mixed one teaspoon of cayenne powder in a glass of warm water, one takes a partial mouthful of the mixture, and holds it under the tongue for as long as possible before swallowing ( at least 30 seconds ). The discomfort is temporary, and is best done when the stomach is not empty. One waits three to five minutes ( or until comfortable ) before using the nebulizer again. This treatment should be tailored according to the situation and the tolerance/condition of the person in question. Definitive results should become quite evident within 72 hours even with chronic conditions. It is always wise to use cayenne pepper sparingly when the body is not adjusted to use. To do so, adjust the frequency of use and not the individual dose level. The critical part of the treatment is delivering as much of cayenne's heat to the body at one time as is safely possible. The full potential of cayenne as used with colloidal silver is unexplored. Considering the known benefits of cayenne and its proven safety in culinary use, it is undoubtedly an excellent addition to any health regime No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.15/223 - Release Date: 1/6/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScayenne and silver
Oh! I forgot to answer your question, Reid: Cayenne opens up the capillaries, immediately providing increased circulation and oxygen to tissues. Kind Regards, Jason Reid Harvey wrote: Hi Charles, You Have wetted my appetite for cayenne, especially since I really like hot food, but could you please tell us where you got this information? And how does holding the cayenne solution under the tongue have so immediate an effect on the mucous membrane of the lungs? Reid Subject: CScayenne and silver From: Charles Sutton cds...@earthlink.net Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:39:47 -0500 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com, Silver- List silver-list@eskimo.com _came across this while researching cayenne.hope someone can use this information.._ _Cayenne and Colloidal Silver_ It is unknown exactly how effective cayenne pepper is in delivering colloidal silver to the bloodstream or organs of the body. Our experiments centered around utilizing cayenne pepper orally for use with stubborn lung infections that were resistant to other treatment. In addition to stimulating the circulatory system, cayenne loosens the mucus in the lungs associated with infections. Within only a few minutes of using cayenne orally, the mucus begins to break up, and the lungs begin a process of clearing. This treatment is ideal when nebulizing with colloidal silver. Since any colloidal silver is most effective in areas it can directly reach, utilizing cayenne in this manner can greatly increase the infection fighting properties of colloidal silver as used in the lungs. We have always chosen to use the nebulizer first to deliver colloidal silver into the lung tissues ( see the section on oxygen nebulizer use ). Then, having mixed one teaspoon of cayenne powder in a glass of warm water, one takes a partial mouthful of the mixture, and holds it under the tongue for as long as possible before swallowing ( at least 30 seconds ). The discomfort is temporary, and is best done when the stomach is not empty. One waits three to five minutes ( or until comfortable ) before using the nebulizer again. This treatment should be tailored according to the situation and the tolerance/condition of the person in question. Definitive results should become quite evident within 72 hours even with chronic conditions. It is always wise to use cayenne pepper sparingly when the body is not adjusted to use. To do so, adjust the frequency of use and not the individual dose level. The critical part of the treatment is delivering as much of cayenne's heat to the body at one time as is safely possible. The full potential of cayenne as used with colloidal silver is unexplored. Considering the known benefits of cayenne and its proven safety in culinary use, it is undoubtedly an excellent addition to any health regime No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.15/223 - Release Date: 1/6/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEIS and H2O2
Greetings, all: If you have a quality brew made up of dissolved silver and silver particles, the addition of H2O2 will first: Increase the tyndall effective significantly See: http://www.silvermedicine.org/h2o2archives.html The H2O2 silver reaction will continue for days, but is most pronounced within minutes of adding the h2o2. Then, the tyndall effect will lessen ( depending on how much h2o2 is used )...until there is no tyndall. At this point, the H2O2 will stabilize in the solution. You can start to guage the reaction by using a red or green laser, but you will also need peroxide testing strips. If you have a lower quality brew, then adding the H2o2 will initially cause a color change in the CS, turning it grey, brown or yellow. Adding more H2o2 will eventually cause the CS to clear. However, with this type of silver, many different types of reactions can occur, including silver being dropped out of suspension... because there is too much metallic silver in the water, in the form of large, nearly visible particles. You can search for and find these particles ( prior to adding peroxide ) with a laser pen. Kind Regards, Jason Marshall Dudley wrote: Robert Berger wrote: I would like to know why the people on this list feel the need to add H2O2 to EIS ??? ** *Because tests run by Brookes Bradley indicated an increase in effectiveness of between 500 and 1000% and those who have tried it have also reported a significant increase in effectiveness.* ** If you make the EIS correctly then the addition of H2O2 creats as T.E. that should not be there !!! *Why do you say that? It usually produces a week tyndall, normalizing all batches regardless of if the tyndall was initially very week or very strong. I have no idea why you say it should not be there, if you have some level of particles which are very necessary, then there will be tyndall.* Switch to assymetrical electrodes as two othe people on this list have, and you like their product. *What is the asymetrical electrode?* When I made their systems I asked them to not reveal it as i am not in the business of making EIS systems. When my booklet comes out in a couple of weeks it will detail the process, and why one should do somethings. Diagrams, data plots, T.E.M.s the whole nine yards, even and invitro comparison with the best. *In vitro is amost meanless except for determining the effectiveness as a disinfectant, in vivo has to be done to determine effectiveness when taken internally.*** *Marshall* Ole Bob */Dan Nave na...@comcast.net/* wrote: Did you add the H2O2 to the batches at the same rel! ative time after the CS had been made? In other words, did one batch cure longer than the other before you added the H2O2? Someone has indicated that the reaction of the CS to H2O2 is different depending on how fresh the CS is or how long the CS has cured. On the new brew, perhaps try taking smaller batch quantities and adding H202 to these smaller quantities at different times relative to when the CS was made. EG, using the same brew: Batch 1 has H2O2 added immediately after it has been made. Batch 2 has H2O2 added 3 hours after it has been made. Batch 3 has H2O2 added 6 hours after it has been made. Batch 4 has H2O2 added 9 hours after it has been made. Batch 4 has H2O2 added 12 hours after it has been made. Batch 5 has H2O2 added 24 hours after it has been made. and so on... Dan Subject: CSEIS and H2O2 From: Marshall Dudley Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:44:02 -0500 To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com OK, I am totally buffaloed now. I have made two 5 gallon batches and added H2O2 to them. Everything is as close to identical between them as I can get, but the reactions were totally different. Batches were produced as follows: Initial pH of water = 6.8 electrode area = 48 square inches each .999 silver plates current = 38 mA voltage ran typically 15-16 volts during making it continuous stirring, and polarity reversal at one minute per half cycle. Silver content estimate from conductivity measurements 20 ppm both were crystal clear, and measured 16.5 uS. both batches made at about 62 degrees F. tyndall was faint did not measure pH bef! ore adding H2O2 Added .5 teaspoon H2O2 per gallon, IE 2.5 teaspoons of 3% to 5 gallons to give 17 ppm First batch tyndall stayed faint, maybe even became fainter - conductivity measured 16 uS essentially unchanged Second batch tyndall became strong, EIS has a slightly cloudy look, but no color, conductivity 9.5 uS approximately halved. Both batches measure a pH of about 7.6 after
Re: CSH2O2 Verified
Hi Bob: Once the h2o2 is added to the sol, agglomerates are either reduced ( creating more silver particles, which will not effect conductivity ) or they plate out ( which will not increase conductivity ) or drop from suspension. In a quality brew, I believe that particle sizing is effected, based on some 'ad-hoc' measurements once done by a water quality plant ( SEM before and after the addition of h2o2 demonstrated smaller particle sizing on the same batch of CS, before and after comparisons ). Kind Regards, Jason Robert Berger wrote: Happy New Years Listers, There has been much discussion about the use of H2O2 when added to your silver hydrosol. Therefore I setup an experiment today to provide some positive answers to the question. Using the product of a 2 gallon microwave power supply brew made on 11-9-05 that was a light yellow color but clear. Tested on 11-10-05 and retested today before and after adding 5 drops of 35 H2O2 to a one gallon jug. Test data for 11-10-05: Ag+ =8.6 PPM; Conductance = 10.3 uS/cm Retest; on 1-2-06: Ag+= 8.58 PPM; conductance = 8.3 uS/cm Test data after the addition of 5 drops of 35% H2O2 per gallon. The yellow color completely disappeared and then the test data taken. 1-2-06 Ag+ = 8.58 PPM; Conductance = 9.4 uS/cm. The addition of the H2O2 does create a slight astringent taste but it is masked with the addition of Gatorade. Conclusion: Since the measurable concentration (PPM) did not change with the addition of the H2O2 the color change must be due to change in particle shape. If there had been a splitting of agglomerated silver ions then the PPM should have increased. Ole Bob No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.10/218 - Release Date: 1/2/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbest 'green' food powder?/
One of the best superfoods available is the Ultimate Meal. http://www.ultimatelife.com/ While not cheap, it's the single most comprehensive formulation I've been able to find... Kind Regards, Jason twll56 wrote: Swanson sells an affordable chlorella.They claim to use a more cost effective way to open the cell wall to make it absorbable.Its really affordable. www.swansonvitaminsale.com Do a search on ( FrequenSea ) The developer of it claims it cured his cancer. It sounds great but ! Its tied into MLM It has a video presentation you can watch. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBook Report r.e. H202
Hi Jonathan: I've ingested both H2O2 and freshly ozonated water; I wouldn't compare the two at all. O3 is very unstable. Even in distilled water, at room temperature, the O3 in fully satured water lasts for about 30 minutes. Hydrogen peroxide is not produced. Without the presence of other specific substances, the breakdown is: O3 --- O2 + O- The O3 is reactive, as well as the O- alot more reactive than H2O2. O3 is far more gentle on the digestive system than H2O2 ( I'm here talking about using H2O2 in water, not in silver, as it does not have the same effect ). Kind Regards, Jason Jonathan B. Britten wrote: A quick book report: yes, it is a worthwhile read, with excellent references. A few key points: The doctor is very enthusiastic about the benefits of IV H202; he clearly hedges his bets about oral use. If one uses ingests the stuff at all -- he pointedly makes no recommendation about this -- it should be on an empty stomach.He does cite cases of users who have benefited from oral ingestion, but mentions various risks, including the one that concerned me: free-radical formation and resultant oxidative damage.This is most likely if food is in the stomach. I note that the Beck protocol recommends ingested ozonated water, which I understand to be water infused with O3, which then becomes H2O2.If there is any difference between ingesting ozonated water and ordinary store-bought H202, I would be eager to learn more.Thus far I understand that these are identical. The author emphatically endorses the use of H202 for dental use. I intend to reread the book when time permits. Thanks again. On Friday, Dec 23, 2005, at 22:37 Asia/Tokyo, Stuff wrote: You're welcome. I think that book should be on everyone's bookshelf..er, hard-drive. It'll more than likely come in handy someday. stuff At 11:05 PM 12/22/2005, Jonathan wrote: My goodness: a 173 page book, free with one mouse-click! Thanks for that. I notice that in the first chapter the doctor addresses my long-standing question about the conflict between H202 therapy and the free-radical theory of aging and cellular damage. That alone suggests this is a worthwhile read. Much obliged! On Friday, Dec 23, 2005, at 10:49 Asia/Tokyo, Stuff wrote: At 11:15 AM 12/22/2005, Kallie wrote to Pete: Check this out, Pete. http://www.h2o2medicalmiracle.com/H2o2MedicalMiracle.pdf stuff Have you looked into and can afford intravenous Hydrogen peroxide for your emphysema and cancer? For more information, do a google search on intravenous hydrogen peroxide -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS in another group
Greetings, all: Please keep in mind that the only professional I have found that condemns TEM is Frank Key... and Frank is an engineer and not a chemist. NIST standards still state that the proper method for particle size characterization of a colloid -- PARTICULARLY the smallest particles -- is TEM. All colloidal science professionals utilize a wide variety of analytical methods. TEM is always one of them. I've been extremely discouraged by Frank's bait and drop method of dealing with this issue. Frank points out a single problem with the analytical method, and tries to state that it invalidates the process. The truth of the matter is, there is a direct correlation between TEM results and direct anti-microbial effectivness. If you look at the results of a zeta sizer, and thus try to gauge the direct effectiveness of a silver product, you will be misled. However, the results of a TEM will not. I can look at a dozen TEMs, and order them in the order of direct effectiveness, provided all TEMs were done to standard. One simply has to do searches on the net; one will find that all the chemical engineers use TEM; all the articles that FRANK posts about other companies that are working with particulate silver also use TEM's. http://www.cmt.anl.gov/science-technology/processchem/colloids.shtml Here's an example... Now, I've worked with guys like these when I worked for Scientific Applications International Corporation. They are true top notch scientists, who use every tool in proper context. http://www.sc.ec.saga-u.ac.jp/ssls2002/abst/P05.pdf Here's an example... Now, I've worked with guys like these when I worked for Scientific Applications International Corporation. They are true top notch scientists, who use every tool in proper context. Frank uses circular logic with the sole motive to protect his product from scrutiny. An example: Ionic silver cannot exist in the blood stream, therefore ionic silver cannot be an effective product. He calls this type of thinking 'science'. It is not science, it is circular reasoning. Here would be a more accurate statement of reason ( which is not reason at all ): Ionic silver has been used successfully by over 600 well documented cases. Ionic silver cannot exist in the blood stream, therefore ionic silver cannot be an effective product. Insane? Exactly. However, work done at UCLA demonstrated that the effectiveness of ionic silver is directly related to the frequency vibration of a silver ion. People in the professional world would take his product more seriously if he were more honest, because he has a great product. Why not try talking to a field scientist whose done hundreds of TEM's and correlated the data with other analytical methods, in colloid studies? Kind Regards, Jason Ode Coyote wrote: Yea, well .0008 microns is only a claim made possible by using the wrong tools to measure it and using a technicality to describe what a particle is in a misleading fashion. Using what's more accepted as the 'right' tools, what particles there are [5% of total] measure over 8 nanometers [.008] microns on the average with the balance having no particles. Commonly speaking, keeping the claims in context of the purveyed assumption of meaning to the uneducated with a common understanding of terms, S Silver, being 94+% ionic has no particles to speak of, to measure. [Whether or not the measurement method reflects anything resembling what's in the water] S Silver is very very good, but it's not as claimed within the intent of the claim. Since ions are essentially all the same diameter no matter how they're produced and all home brew generators make ions, home brewers can also make the same claims within the same confusion of contexts...Technically accurate or not. So, if your home brew is 95% ionic, even if your 5% balance is in huge particles, that 95% of your brew is exactly the same as S Silvers brew...'call' ...it what you will. Ode [Language is our greatest barrier to communication...even when used with the best of intent.] At 10:26 AM 12/14/2005 -0800, you wrote: Hi again, people in an alternative energy group I belong to just started talking about CS. Here is what one person had to say: --yes, silver is fine. sovereign silver is the finest particle size in the world made by natural immunogenics. homemade silver is garbage regardless of what results people say they get from putting silver electrodes in distilled water with 3X9 volt batts for 27 volts. that is PURE GARBAGE colloidal silver...large particles to rip up your blood cells, etc... get lodged in your liver, etc... yes, it may kill some bugs but why the damage to the good stuff. you won't tell it is doing that damage, but that is just done done by fools. anyway, in the 50's the Czechs had a silver product colled MOVIDYN search that. The Russians tested it against EVERYTHING in their biological arsenal
Re: CSSilver ions in Colloidial Silver
Hi Jim: They don't. It's the process that creates a product ( when making CS with any water that is not pure ) that is the problem. The end result of using salt in production is a product that is filled with silver debris; flakes, particles too large to be held in suspension, etc.; hardly an oligodynamic product. Silver nitrate and citrate are a different story. As an example, I recently received an email from someone who was using silver nitrate; a few drops in the nasal passageways for less than a few months. She developed a patch of argyria on the cheek. I've poured gallons of IES through the nasal passageways with no such risk. Based on quite a few similiar reports, it's obvious to me that the body handles silver nitrate and silver citrate differently. The body seems to immediately try to purge these substances by depositing them into tissue. I've long claimed ( and come under quite a bit of fire ) that the body handles EIS differently than silver compounds. It's only been in the last year that evidence is beginning to present itself to justify my stance. However, my evidence comes from talking with scientists doing work on human genetics that won't even begin to become mainstream knowledge for another ten years. I believe, still, that the body treats oligodynamic EIS like water, under most circumstances. After all, our EIS is a more pure source of water than tap water and many spring waters. In order to induce a toxic response to EIS, I had to utilize massive amounts of EIS taken orally AND through a nebulizer all day, for many days. Even then, symptoms subsided very rapidly after cessation. The toxic response of the body's immune system is a learned condition, with a host of variables that dictate how a body handles substances that the body considers toxic. Once a toxic response iniated by the body has had a successful outcome, it is utilized more by the body in similiar circumstances. The oxidative gene cycle is very much a part of this system. The immune system, as time progresses, can become lazy; it's a simple matter of conservation of energy. Now, if the body has learned a toxic response from silver, then a sensitivity will exist; a type of allergy, from mild to severe. The single way to know for sure if this exists is to have a Melisa test done. This applies to allergic responses as well, which is why, as the body becomes more sluggish, food allergies and environmental toxic responses escalate; sensitivities to mold, foods, smells... and finally to electromagnetic energy. I've never heard of anybody who does normal full cleanses every having any such sensitivities ( cleansing as a lifestyle and not as a treatment for existing toxicity )... Their metabolisms can handle foods, molds, etc.; the immune system has learned good habits, and it takes more to induce reactions, as the body is able to cleanse itself. The big problem is that many people turn to products such as silver nitrate because they are ill; they are already in trouble with their immune system and metabolism, and silver nitrate is the last thing you want the body trying to handle. Of course, this view is only my view. Kind Regards, Jason Jim Holmes wrote: Why do the silver ions in a dissolved salt have the possibility of causing Argyria and the free ions in a mixture of colloidal and ionic silver not do that? Jim No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/199 - Release Date: 12/13/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS in another group
Hi Kelburn: http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Product.jsp?REG_NR=0048556DIST_NR=004855 Here's Movidyn as it was once marketed in the US . 3.2% metallic silver 3.2% silver nitrate 3.2% curpic nitrate ...not to mention that it was often stabilized using gelatin. That's a very high 6.4% silver, with 50% of the silver in compound form. Microdin in Mexico was also developed FROM Movidyn. Your smart sounding forum people are just that: smart sounding. I agree that Sovereign silver is one of the top silver products in the world. I've personally tested it, and have noticed quite a difference in quality, especially used topically. Brooks Bradley of the Harbourne Foundation also pitted quite a few colloidal silvers against each other, and agreed that sovereign silver is one of the top two products they tested -- based on their independent evaluations. With all due respect to the forum guys, natural immunogenics created a product of such high quality that it had never been done before. It's not in the same class as Mivodyn, and shouldn't be compared with this product at all. Before anyone starts shooting arrows, my discussion sources include world recognized doctors, surgeons, scientific department heads, and wound care specialists; the credentials of these people include individuals with prestigous badges such as MIT, the Silver Institute, Miama State University, and UNLV. However, I still believe our EIS works just fine, and elect to make my CS rather than buy a retail product. Kind Regards, Jason Kelburn Koontz wrote: Hi again, people in an alternative energy group I belong to just started talking about CS. Here is what one person had to say: --yes, silver is fine. sovereign silver is the finest particle size in the world made by natural immunogenics. homemade silver is garbage regardless of what results people say they get from putting silver electrodes in distilled water with 3X9 volt batts for 27 volts. that is PURE GARBAGE colloidal silver...large particles to rip up your blood cells, etc... get lodged in your liver, etc... yes, it may kill some bugs but why the damage to the good stuff. you won't tell it is doing that damage, but that is just done done by fools. anyway, in the 50's the Czechs had a silver product colled MOVIDYN search that. The Russians tested it against EVERYTHING in their biological arsenal and it wiped out 100% of EVERYTHING. They tore down the plant and brought it into the Soviet Union and kept it classified for many years. Today, Natural Immunogenics who makes Soveriegn Silver is the ONLY company in the whole wide world who makes a silver as the same quality as MOVIDYN. No other company's garbage should even try to compare their product to this company. It is LIGHT YEARS ahead of all the rest. They stand alone and I dare anyone to even attempt to claim they have something as fine as particle .0008 microns!!! small. 1 drop of liquid has 150,000,000 particles of silver. About 3-5 atoms per particle. There is NO competition on Earth for this product. Anyway, it is obvious I am passionate about this product and another thing is so many people especially in the alternative medicine field think they know about silver and they don't know jack s***. Anyway, do you homework and you will find the above statements to be 100% accurate and you will find NOTHING better because it is virtually physically impossible.-- I'm not trying to incite anyone here, I just would like to hear some intellectual commentary. Not that you wouldn't do that anyway. Kel -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMS and CS #2
Greetings! A nice few emails, thank you! Some notes, for those interested: Although the Gerson institute is not the same since Max died ( once Max died, they tried switched quite a few trusted products to cheaper ones; ones that didn't work, and quite a few people suffered who didn't need to ), they have some excellent protocols. They are just not very good at sharing information, which I've found baffling, considering the amount of work they've done over the years. In particular, The institute uses Terramin ( a red calcium montmorillonite )for detoxification purposes, and has always achieved noteable results using Terramin compresses and poultices over the liver. Sadly, one of the things that bothers me about these types of institutes, is they don't like to report their failures. We learn most by our failures. It is by studying what hasn't worked, what isn't working, that we can learn to improve. I get quite a few emails from Gerson Institute patients after they leave... mostly terminal cancer patients. There is a formula for a poor man's alkaline water. I've tested many, many water additives, most of which find their way into the garbage in short order. I don't RECOMMEND the following, I can only state that it achieves the objective, which can sometimes be a life or death objective: correcting an acidic IMBALANCE in the body. One will need a simple Hanna PH digital meter, some very clean water ( distilled water or RO ), some ph testing strips, and a large container of USP grade Potash, which is primarily Potassium Hydroxide, and can be found at most gardening stores. A ten year supply costs about 20 bucks. I start with distilled water, and I add one drop of trace mineral supplement ( like concentrace ) per gallon of water. I add 1.5 dropper full of the potassium hydroxide per gallon of water. However, USE A METER to adjust your brew to the desired PH level: between 8.0 and 9.5. Remember that potash is highly caustic in any concentrated form. Monitor the body's saliva PH level. Do not tread blindly when making significant changes to the body's metabolism. Any time chemical formulations are used in the body, think. Give oneself liver support ( even if it is just a few lemons a day squeezed for fresh lemon juice added to water ), and colon cleansing support. I've been testing this formulation for over a year now, in cooperation with some individuals who otherwise would have no recourse due to financial well-being, all of whom were able to reverse signficant acidosis with no other changes. I've talked with several manufacturers of special waters. I find that they are nearly criminally ignorant of the what and why of their product formulation. Many of these waters are simple chlorides; some of them remind me of low concentration detergents. I'm very hesitant to suggest to anybody the use of Potash... At the same time, if the only other option is continued degeneration, then the benefit can be significant. Kind Regards, Jason 4optimallife wrote: Here is the second message from Duncan, the husband. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMore nanosilver
Hi Terry: Stan did not brew EIS... You should re-read Ode's post another twenty times ( *laughs* ). The isolated in EIS has a deeper meaning than just particles held in suspension. These particles, small enough to be held in suspension, with a concentration maintaining the oligodynamic nature of the EIS, must be isolated only using either hydrogen or oxygen. Therefore, the original aqueous Tetrasil is an isolated silver product at 40 PPM, even though it is AG4O4. Mesosilver is an isolated silver product. Those prod ucts that use baking soda inthe brew, salt, or other substances, are not. When I originally coined the term Electrically Isolated Silver, I did not consider the method of making isolated silver important, as the smallest nano-silver particles have been made via lasers. It was the end characteristics that were important, although of course electrolysis is the most popular method of making EIS. Best Regards, Jason Terry Chamberlin wrote: Matthew said, I vote for EIS. It is not trademarked. It describes the production process as well as the product. Which product does EIS describe? The stuff that Stan Jacobs brewed? That was electrically/electrolytically isolated silver. EIS only refers to what it is possible to brew with electricity; it does not delineate purity of water or addition of starter or particle size or color or quality or brewing time or safety. Brown, coffee-colored, argyria-producing sludge can be produced with silver, water and electricity, and be accurately called EIS. Silver particles that can be measured in and limited to billionths of a meter (nanometer) imply correct brewing procedures. For particle size to be nanometers, you cannot add salt or other starters, nor brew too long, nor use tap water or any water with any substances in it, because these things produce larger than nanometer-sized particles. EIS is so vague that it does not communicate anything except the presence of silver, electricity and - by inference - water. EIS is just fine for our usage on the silver-list, where we know what we mean, the same as we understand what we mean when we say *CS*. I like *CS* just fine because it uses one less typing stroke. I recently stumbled upon a list where the members were discussing several websites promoting Colloidal Silver. The members of this list were predominently of an allopathic medical perspective. They did not appear to be professionals, just sympathetic to the medical paradigm. They were highly critical of these CS vendors they were discussing, partly because the vendors made all kinds of claims about the benefits of CS without offering any substantiation whatsoever, but also because these CS vendors did not know what they were talking about. They used scientific-sounding terms without even knowing what they meant. They used their own proprietary vocabulary with their own subjective and personal definitions, but used them as though they were valid scientific terminology. They looked and sounded like unprofessional, rank amateurs, which totally discredited them and, by association, totally discredited the validity of any silver preparations. We do the same. We talk about ions and particles using the definitions given by various CS vendors, definitions which are incorrect and inaccurate by normal scientific standards. We also will be dismissed as amateurs, and CS/EIS with us. On the list, we can use any vocabulary we want, as long as we all understand what we mean (which is not, in fact, a given), but when anyone with a professional background reviews our information, we will be dismissed, and our product with us. Actually, we use a vocabulary amongst ourselves that not only does not reflect normal scientific definitions, we do not even agree amongst us what they mean, and many spirited discussions have occured on this list because we were discussing apples and oranges. New members struggle to understand what is being said until - by osmosis, I presume - they get a sense of what these words mostly mean. There are actually three points to all this discussion: One, that we need to speak like the rest of the scientific world, using their vocabulary and definitions of terms so that they will at least listen to us. Two, that we need to differentiate between large-sized silver particles - what we have been calling *colloidal* - and small-sized silver particles - what we have been calling *ionic* - and three, that the term, *nanosilver* is a term already being utilized by the mainline scientific community to describe silver particles of a very small size. Why don't we use this term also? Terry Chamberlin __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to:
Re: CSEIS Raw Foods
Ken: The best method to address this concern is ozonating foods with at least 3% or preferably 5% ozone. EIS will not necessarily work; it can work for the food surfaces, but only food surfaces. I've studied the works of a doctor in Tawain who has his patients on at least a 35% raw food diet. He insists his patients use ozonation for the raw foods. Furthermore, and however, he noticed a distinct difference in microbial control between different food ozonators. The ozone must be pumped through a diffuser that allows the ozone to disperse throughout the water-filled container; the container should also allow enough hang time for the ozone to work... both the O3 molecule, and the siglet atom of oxygen ( O- ) that is released a container that allows water depth to be about 10-12 inches. Then, a cover should be used which keeps the foods/vegetables below the water line. The cover should have air-venting holes drilled throughout so that the bubbling air/gas can escape. Foods should be ozonated for between 20-30 minutes in this manner. These devices are more accepted for general use, and probably more readily available, then in the US. However, most will need your modification in order to meet the specs above. The small diffuser is not enough to cover the surface area of a container you'd use to ozonate food, so you'd have to find or make a wide-face diffuser, as well as your own vessel to ozonate foods, with a lid that fits into the container. Best Regards, Jason Ken Benjamin wrote: Hello all, I've accepted a position in Beijing and my internet research of China in general has revealed that it is highly recommended to NOT eat raw any un-peeled fruits or veggies in China. The basis for this warning is due to the Chinese (and other Asians) using night soil (human manure) to fertilize their crops. I'm vegetarian, eating about 85% of my foods raw. The thought of returning to a mostly cooked food diet does not appeal to me and I would like to avoid that if possible. It has been suggested to me that I should soak the fruit/veggies in a VERY WEAK solution of bleach and then rinse them off before eating. My brother, who was stationed in Korea in the military, says this is what they were instructed to do prior to eating raw produce. Does anyone know if substituting EIS for the weak bleach solution would be just as effective in sanitizing the raw produce of all harmful microbes/parasites? Ken No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/177 - Release Date: 11/21/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Confusion
Hi Rich: It would be interesting to learn more about this avenue of thought. The only references I've been able to find about silver hydronium indicates that this form of silver is not aqueous; furthermore, I haven't been able to find any reference to H6O3 as a form of hydronium. Hydronium is CALLED hydrodonium because of the EXTRA hydrogen. This renders any solution highly acidic. Kind Regards, Jason Rich Adams wrote: From previous Ole Bob email: It was Dr. Bill Biagiolio and a chenist freind of his that determined the formula for the silver solution that we make is H6O3Ag+1, and could well be called silver hydronium. If that helps... Rich Adams - Original Message - Hydronium is H30. Where are we getting the extra molecule of Hydrogen? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com .
Re: CSCS Confusion
Hi Bob! Hydronium is H30. Where are we getting the extra molecule of Hydrogen? Kind Regards, Jason Robert Berger wrote: Greetings all, The holy Grail of science, The International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry, defines an ion as An atomic of molecular particle having a net electrical charge. to me this definition rather muddles the water. So people can call ions particles and particles, particles How are we to know what they have? |The silver solutions that we make with electrolysis is is generally 90% silver ions (Ag+1) and it is water soluble. Particles will fall out of suspension if the liquid is frozen. So, we should break ourselves of calling our product colloidal silver as it is NOT !! How about Silver sol, silver Hydrosol, EIS, or Silver Hydronium !!! Ole Bob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSlemons and cancer
Hi Faith: Lemons are truly one of nature's marvels. My independent testing of lemon water indicates that the standard natural med literatures are quite correct... Drinking FRESH lemon water produces a marked difference in the PH level of the body's soft tissues... Even upwards to 10-20 lemons a day are commonly used for individuals with severe liver damage. Kind Regards, Jason ejohns9...@aol.com wrote: The base of Reams Biological Theory of Ionization is lemon water. (RBTI) Dr Carey Reams was truly a genius. In a message dated 10/16/05 12:40:49 PM Central Daylight Time, faithstfran...@hotmail.com writes: My Friends, I read Ole Bob's message about cancer, acidity and lemons. I have an uncertainty here: How was it that in the cancer treatments by the late Dutch dokter Moerman in the late 60's cured even fifth state cancer, by having his patients drink (train)wagonloadfuls of lemons? Please don't see this as critical ridicule. Moerman was revolutionary in his time, and he helpen many patients of cancer .. and thus was broken by established medicine, who dubbed his approach as 'unscientific'. I was an agry young man in that time, now can see things in a better, more acceptable perspective. Yet thing mixes me up a bit now and then. Faith No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.1/136 - Release Date: 10/15/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSuperSilver
Greetings Ian: This product may be American Biotech Labs Silver ( ASAP ) relabled. I would be willing to bet on it, but I know for certain that these guys ( supersilver.info ) do not manufacture their own product. Kind Regards, Jason Ian Roe wrote: http://www.supersilver.info/ Has anyone had experience with this product? Although the information doesn't appear to be on the site, apparently this silver product is an oxygenated product with oxygen combined with the silver insuch a way so that it binds to haemoglobin and gets taken to every cell in the body. Or is this just another proprietary gimmick that holds no greater promise than CS itself. Ian -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSolive leaf extract
Hi Callie: I recommend actually taking two types of Olive Leaf Extract. One is any of the standard olive leaf extract products ( rich in oleuropein ), and the other is the d-lenolate compound isolated by East Park Research, based out of Las Vegas. http://www.eastparkresearch.com Kind Regards, Jason 4optimallife wrote: Here is an interesting article on Olive Leaf Extract which might be good to use along with CS if the pandemic hits. http://curezone.com/foods/oliveleaf.html Does anyone know a good place to get Olive Leaf Extract pills or capsules as mentioned in the article? Kallie Miller www.4optimallife.com; 4optimall...@rogers.com ; 888-450-7793 Safe magnetic sleep pads, antioxidant, alkalizing water filters, zappers and rebounders No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.11/121 - Release Date: 10/6/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNitron Food grade DE
Greetings, Here is a link to the fresh water D.E. that I use: http://www.safe2use.com/safe-products/diatomaceous/diatomaceous_Earth.htm Kind Regards, Jason sol wrote: I can't find the original message, but think this link was posted here: http://www.nitron.com/ For anyone who may need to know (that would be me, for one) I received the following email from Nitron: Our ocean water D.E. is food grade. Marsha Nitron Industries, Inc. P.O. Box 1447 Fayetteville, AR 72702 (479) 587-1777 ord...@nitron.com mailto:ord...@nitron.com Reason I needed to check is allergy. I need Freshwater DE. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
