RE: CS>Searching for color.

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Neville:

I just read with interest your searching for color.  There is another item
you might consider.  Ions do not stay ions very long.  Hydrochloric acid in
the body can combine and form silver chloride and several other such things.
I am way out of my element here and there are many experts on this list that
should jump in and clarify or refute this.

Also I will forward an email from another list proving that argyria is a
real and present danger. Danger, danger, danger.  They are hinting that they
have a team of lawyers ready to sue every silver manufacturer.  I would like
to hear your take on this.

Also another data point for you.  My friend Carol consumed 32 oz of
colloidal silver every day for many months and does not look grey or blue.
Here is a picture http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus .  As a
result of the colloidal silver and the DougPlus frequencies she is now
symptom free after 14 years of suffering from Lyme.

Jim Meissner  

-Original Message-
From: Neville [mailto:nevillem...@bigpond.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Searching for color.

No, I'm only seeking clarification regarding 'form' Wayne.

Literature I've read states ions pass through the system very quickly, as in

hours, (and I believe that due to the frequency of my waist water visits), 
which is why it's preferable to take quantities regularly for any medicinal 
purpose, as one would with prescription medication ie; every 2 or 4 hours or

whatever as an example, to maintain a 'constant' within the system.  I'm 
only talking 'form' here, not colour yet, the colour is clear in this 
instance lets say, which means a predominance of ions, there are still 
particles present obviously but ions predominate.  I could drink gallons of 
CS a day, providing it was clear of course, and would not have any issues, 
(retention), because it is mostly ions [my opinion], it's only when 
particles are present that potential for issues are created, and this would 
be in the form of 'coloured' CS, the quantity consumed, and the time period 
of regular consumption.

Now, if the CS is coloured then there are two possibilities, (a) there is a 
higher percentage of particles or (b) the particles are of a larger size, 
however a third possibility would be more accurate (c) both.  In my mind it 
would be the  predominance of the particles which would be questionable 
regarding any issue, but the ions would obviously be the catalyst for the 
occurance of larger particles as positive and negative attract.  I need to 
read a little more but I would guess that there could only be one size of 
particle basically as when positive-negative get together the charge would 
then be neutralised and the particle could not get any larger as there is no

further attraction.

Setting ions aside for the moment, the particles in the nest mouthful could 
further agglomerate with the residual ions still within the system, to 
create even more particles, existing particles would not get any larger for 
the reason I suggested before, so I am 'proposing' that it's the silver in 
'particulate form' which gives rise to any colouration and has nothing to do

with the ions, other than ions acting as a catalyst for the formation of 
more particles of course.

This is the theory I would be more inclined to accept...Particles and ions, 
are in the system after the first ingestion but a percentage of ions would 
have already passed through the system leaving a residual of ions to begin 
to promote agglomeration before the next intake of CS, (assuming my 
literature is accurate regarding the speed at which ions pass through the 
system), but a *large quantity* intake of coloured CS, consumed regularly 
and consistantly over a given time frame, would likely give rise to 
'retention' within the system as the system is unable to pass enough ions 
before getting flooded with more ions and particles in the next ingestion 
and the positive-negative attraction cycle starts again hence a particle 
build up or back up.

I just wanted clarification regarding the 'form' which gives rise to any 
potential issue that's all.

Ions are my friends, I don't want to get too friendly with particles, I'll 
only accept them as acquaintances [my opinion].

I'm not sure I've explained it adequately again, I know what's in my mind 
but don't know if I'm getting it in print, or perhaps I'm just stating the 
obvious, maybe mindless even, nevermind it doesn't matter.

Quote:  [Eliminating metals might be more important that Color.]  -This to 
me is putting the cart before the horse, I'm trying to avoid that by a more 
thourough understanding of CS.  That's 'treatment', I'm trying to ensure a 
'cure' for myself so there won't be a need for 'treatment', I can get plenty

of that in mainstream.  I would hope I have learned something from those 
who have gone before me over the many years of peoples' involvment with CS 
but as there ar

RE: CS>Searching for color. Jim M.

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Neville:

 

I had my generator tested by Frank Key who has a plasma photospectrometer
and a lab full of other very expensive test equipment.   He tells me that my
generator makes the smallest particles of any other colloidal silver except
for MesoSilver.  Look at the test report on my web site.
http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator .

 

Jim Meissner  

 

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From: Neville [mailto:nevillem...@bigpond.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:13 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Searching for color. Jim M.

 

Morning Carol,

 

Thank You for that, no that's fine, that's 'scientific' enough for me.  Just
a final question if you don't mind, as you mentioned you've been making it
for 'several years', have you been ingesting CS every day for those several
years?  If so, how much do you reckon you take, or took, each day prior to
the 32 ounce intake?  I take a quantity each morning and have done so for
over 3 years, 2-3 years on and off prior to this of other CS concoctions
before learning more about it.

 

Thanks again...Neville.

- Original Message - 

From: Carol Monroe <mailto:aftonli...@yahoo.com>  

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 6:43 AM

Subject: Re: CS>Searching for color. Jim M.

 

Neville, 

 

I made the silver at home using the CS generator that Meissner Industries
sells. I used steam distilled water, the CS was clear, and the ppm on
ingestion was about 15. I don't measure the ppm each time since I've been
making it the same way with the same water for several years. I filled a
water bottle with CS and keep it by me all the time and take a couple of
swallows every half hour or so. I'm afraid that is not very scientific - but
it was manageable for me. Hope that answers your questions. If not, please
ask again. 

 

Carol

 


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From: Neville 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:00:02 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Searching for color. Jim M.

- Original Message - From: "Jim Meissner yahoo"

To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:00 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Searching for color.


Jims edited quote:
[My friend Carol consumed 32 oz of
> colloidal silver every day for many months and does not look grey or blue.
Jim Meissner]

-I'm sorry Jim, I got sidetracked.  If it was produced in the home using the
LVDC method is it possible you could let me know (a) what water was used,
(b) what colour the CS was, (c) what the final ppm was on ingestion and (d)
what dosage rate and intervals was it ingested during the day?  If the CS
was purchased then ignore the above questions obviously as I have no
interest in the purchased product.

Thanks...Neville.


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RE: CS>Sovereign Silver will test CS

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

I just looked at the Sovereign Silver site and they test the particle size
with an electron microscope which is totally bogus.
Their product is mostly ions and should not be called colloidal silver since
there is little to no colloidal particles in it.

Frank Key will also test anyone's colloidal silver and has the correct test
equipment ( $250,000 AA Spec and a $40,000 Malvern Particle Sizer )
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html 

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-Original Message-
From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 12:21 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Sovereign Silver will test CS

Sovereign Silver will test CS.

 http://www.natural-immunogenics.com/lab_analytical.php

 - Steve N

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From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:39 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>testimony of nutronix silver ceo




   The first samples I ever had tested went to:
North Carolina State Department of Natural Resources Water Laboratory.
  [Half the building is a sign the taxpayers bought]

All they do is test water for the state..that's IT.

They sent back an average of three runs using large samples that ranged
from 45 to 55 PPM.

  I seriously doubt it was anything over 20 PPM

  They did have a spectrophotometer, but probably didn't have the right
light source to test silver.
  I don't believe they used it.
Obviously the method they did use wasn't good enough.

Other samples made the same way  and done by two different people [Ole
Bob Berger and Frank Key ] came out at 11. something PPM  with the
results very close to each other.
  Needless to say, I never went back to the state lab.

..about $200 per sample for a complete workup at a "real" lab on a
$250,000 AA Spec and a $40,000 Malvern Particle Sizer..Ole Bob
charged $7 if I recall, but he was a hobbiest using an army surplus Hach
colorometer that was "surprisingly" accurate.  [PPM only]

Ode





At 11:28 AM 12/15/2008 -0500, you wrote:


>Thanks, Mike.
>I will give it a shot.
>
>Cheers,
>indi
>
>On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:00:09PM +, M. G. Devour wrote:
> > Hi Indi,
> >
> > > Do you know of any labs that have affordable rates for that sort 
> > > of thing? I would love to get a lab report on what I'm producing.
> >
> > I literally picked up the Yellow pages and found an environmental 
> > testing service lab a few miles from here. Dropped my samples off 
> > and received the report in the mail a week or two later. I don't 
> > remember how much it cost but it wasn't so expensive I wouldn't do 
> > it again, nor so cheap I'd do it all the time... 
> >
> > > > You could have a sample tested at an environmental lab. Tell 
> > > > them it's silver in clean water in the low ppm range and ask 
> > > > what methods they have for making the measurement. Atomic 
> > > > absorption spectroscopy is one method I vaguely recall reading
about years back.
> >
> > Mike D.
> >
> > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
> > [mdev...@eskimo.com]
> > [Speaking only for myself...   ]
> >
> >
> 


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RE: CS>Sovereign Silver will test CS

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

The method that Frank Key uses to determine the ionic/particle ratio is to
test the sample with the spectrometer, then use a centrifuge to precipitate
all the particles and then measure again.  From those two measurements the
ratio can be calculated.

Jim Meissner  

-Original Message-
From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:09 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Sovereign Silver will test CS


Here is another source for testing particle size distribution:
 http://www.microtrac.com/labservices.cfm

Here is Frank Keys lab:
http://www.colloidalsciencelab.com/labPrices.htm

Ode has suggested that you contact where ever you go and ascertain if
they can measure an ionic/particle mix. 

 - Steve N

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From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:42 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Sovereign Silver will test CS

I just looked at the Sovereign Silver site and they test the particle
size with an electron microscope which is totally bogus.
Their product is mostly ions and should not be called colloidal silver
since there is little to no colloidal particles in it.

Frank Key will also test anyone's colloidal silver and has the correct
test equipment ( $250,000 AA Spec and a $40,000 Malvern Particle Sizer )
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html 

Jim Meissner   


-Original Message-
From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 12:21 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Sovereign Silver will test CS

Sovereign Silver will test CS.

 http://www.natural-immunogenics.com/lab_analytical.php

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:39 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>testimony of nutronix silver ceo




   The first samples I ever had tested went to:
North Carolina State Department of Natural Resources Water Laboratory.
  [Half the building is a sign the taxpayers bought]

All they do is test water for the state..that's IT.

They sent back an average of three runs using large samples that ranged
from 45 to 55 PPM.

  I seriously doubt it was anything over 20 PPM

  They did have a spectrophotometer, but probably didn't have the right
light source to test silver.
  I don't believe they used it.
Obviously the method they did use wasn't good enough.

Other samples made the same way  and done by two different people [Ole
Bob Berger and Frank Key ] came out at 11. something PPM  with the
results very close to each other.
  Needless to say, I never went back to the state lab.

..about $200 per sample for a complete workup at a "real" lab on a
$250,000 AA Spec and a $40,000 Malvern Particle Sizer..Ole Bob
charged $7 if I recall, but he was a hobbiest using an army surplus Hach
colorometer that was "surprisingly" accurate.  [PPM only]

Ode





At 11:28 AM 12/15/2008 -0500, you wrote:


>Thanks, Mike.
>I will give it a shot.
>
>Cheers,
>indi
>
>On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:00:09PM +, M. G. Devour wrote:
> > Hi Indi,
> >
> > > Do you know of any labs that have affordable rates for that sort 
> > > of thing? I would love to get a lab report on what I'm producing.
> >
> > I literally picked up the Yellow pages and found an environmental 
> > testing service lab a few miles from here. Dropped my samples off 
> > and received the report in the mail a week or two later. I don't 
> > remember how much it cost but it wasn't so expensive I wouldn't do 
> > it again, nor so cheap I'd do it all the time... 
> >
> > > > You could have a sample tested at an environmental lab. Tell 
> > > > them it's silver in clean water in the low ppm range and ask 
> > > > what methods they have for making the measurement. Atomic 
> > > > absorption spectroscopy is one method I vaguely recall reading
about years back.
> >
> > Mike D.
> >
> > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
> > [mdev...@eskimo.com]
> > [Speaking only for myself...   ]
> >
> >
> 


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RE: CS>Measuring CS with a spectrophotometer or colorimeter

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Steve:

I am wondering what the purpose of your questions are?
  
If you are looking for a way to measure the colloidal silver you are making,
then I have a suggestion.  Very likely you would be making ionic silver with
a very small percentage of particles.  In that case the $60 Hanna PWT, pure
water tester, works extremely well for testing ionic silver.  In the case of
my nano silver generator the calibration of the PWT in uS is exactly the
same as PPM, 15 uS is 15 PPM.  I think it is a fortuitous accident that the
readings agree.

So far as I know there is no easy way to test particles.  Very few people
are able to make particles so there is no need to test that for the average
home made colloidal silver.

Frank Key tested my silver with his fancy $300,000 machine.  You had asked
about calibration.  I watched the testing and asked a few questions.  It
seems that you feed (1) pure distilled water, then (2) a certified
calibration solution and then (3) the silver solution to be tested.  The
system automatically does this sequence three times and averages the
results.  It looked like a plasma source burned the solution and then the
spectrometer measured the peak amplitude vs. frequency.

See the test reports done by Frank Key on my generator
 http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator .

Jim Meissner   

-Original Message-
From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:08 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Measuring CS with a spectrophotometer or colorimeter

Thanks Marshall, 
The pictures and plots are very informative. I believe you are right
about trying to measure ppm without digesting the silver won't work.
Your explanation has helped tremendously in understanding the theory and
operation of colorimeters and  spectrophotometers.
 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 2:17 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Measuring CS with a spectrophotometer or colorimeter

Norton, Steve wrote:
>  
>
> Re.: "picking the right frequency,"
>
> I'm glad you brought that up. If one was to consider calibrating a 
> spectrophotometer to use for measuring ppm as well as particle size 
> distribution, there is the problem that light absorption by a sample 
> of CS at a specific wavelength could vary from lot to lot based on the

> particle size distribution of the sample. Should one make the ppm 
> measurement at the point of maximum absorption, at some intermediate 
> "average" point or would one need to make measurements over the 
> distribution and average the results.
> I assume that the colorimeter avoids this problem because by digesting

> the silver, you convert all the silver to the same "particle size". Do

> you know what wavelength your colorimeter uses when making the 
> measurement for silver?
> Thanks,
>  Steve N
>
>
>   
If you run it on plain old EIS, then you can get a curve which will give
you some idea of the particle sizes.  For ppm measurement, you first
digest the silver. Thus you have no particles at all, it is 100% silver
salts. I use nitric acid, and thus it is silver nitrate.  Then chemicals
are added that give it a very strong color, if I remember right it turns
violet.  The wavelength that is then used is for the violet color that
the chemical changes the silver to.  I doubt you could come up with a
good way to get ppm from a curve of the undigested and treated EIS,
absorption changes so much depending on size and shape of the particles.
To see some typical curves of different ppm and particle size of EIS see
the following:

http://silver-lightning.com/hach/oral.GIF
http://silver-lightning.com/hach/oral2.GIF
http://silver-lightning.com/hach/oral3.GIF
http://silver-lightning.com/hach/topical.GIF

These are in ever increasing particle size.  The leftmost peak is the
absorption of the silver ion, that is ionic silver. All other peaks
correspond to particles, with larger being more to the right generally.

HIf you look at http://silver-lightning.com/hach/agno3.GIF that is the
absorption of silver nitrate. The reason that  this one appears so much
wider than the others is that I expanded the X axis to show more detail
since there was no absorption at the longer wavelengths (that is all the
absorption was in the uv range.

You can see the changes in the color of CS as particle size increases
here: http://silver-lightning.com/cs-color.jpg and the actual absorption
curves vs particl size here http://silver-lightning.com/cs-curves.jpg

Marshall

> -Original Message-
> From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:29 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Measuring CS with a spectrophotometer or colorimeter
>
> Norton, Steve wrote:
>   
>> Thanks Marshall,
>> That helps. The info online relative to colorimeters does mention 
>> digesting substances but I was unclear

FW: CS>(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the wise ones---

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

 

 

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From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 11:04 AM
To: 'a...@new.co.za'
Subject: RE: CS>(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the wise ones---

 

Hi: I saw my name mentioned?  

 

The purpose of the vinegar is for no reason other than to clean any oxide
off the silver.  The process works just as well using the dry green scotch
bright to clean the rods.  At these extremely low voltages even fingerprints
will interfere.  There is not enough voltage to break through any film.
Also dirty, un-pure distilled water will not work.

 

The advantage of all this trouble is that it makes 2 nanometer particles.
Also the process self-limits 18 or so PPM without any active current control
or mechanical stirring.  

 

I have never sold one on this list but I sell lots of them locally.  People
like them.

 

Jim Meissnerhttp://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator .

 

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From: Tony Moody [mailto:a...@new.co.za] 
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 6:01 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the wise ones---

 

Hi Arnold, 

That is interesting about the vinegar / acetate .  dunno about insecticide. 

 

But what I want to say is that round about 3 volts is what is used in silver
plating for stripping silver off smoothly. 

 

OK, 

Tony 

 

On 26 Dec 2008 at 18:58, Arnold Beland wrote about : 

Subject : Re: CS>(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the 

 

> Hi Marshall, 

> 

> It is interesting to me that you mention silver acetate. There is a member
on 

> this list selling a generator using two 1.5 volt batteries for a total of 

> three volts as a Power Supply. I have been pondering how this could
possibly 

> work for some time. A careful reading of his instructions for use on his 

> website shows that he instructs the users to clean the rods before using
with 

> vinegar and for them to be wet with the vinegar when they are inserted
into 

> the distilled water. Could this explain the use of only three volts? Isn't


> silver acetate used as an insecticide? 

> 

> Best regards, 

> 

> Arnold 

> 

 

RE: CS>CS and Lymes Disease

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Check out the DougPlus group that uses ionic colloidal silver and the DP100.
Several folks have gotten better in 2-3 months.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DougPlus 

Jim Meissner

 

 

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From: Ron Minnick [mailto:shadowcreekf...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:24 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>CS and Lymes Disease

 

Hi, my name is Doreen and I am looking for info on treating Lymes disease
with CS..thank you in advance 

RE: CS>Patents on CS and Generators

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

It has been many years since I looked at their patent.  What I remember is
that it is "just" a design patent that simply relates to the physical lay
out of the number of electrodes and spacing, etc.  To circumvent that patent
you could just add one extra electrode for example.  Quite useless except
for being able to advertize that you had a patent. 

 

In case you are interested in nano silver particles take a look at the test
results of my generator design that shows that 96.5% of the total is 2.07
nanometers in size.

http://meissnerresearch.com/SilverGenerator/JM-9-2-0.pdf

 

There is no patent and anyone skilled in the art can duplicate this design
from the information published on my website.  Or you could just buy one.

 

Jim Meissner  www.MeissnerResearch.com   

 

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From: MaryAnn Helland [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:12 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Patents on CS and Generators

 

Thanks Marshall.  Any input for me on ABC's *nano-particle* silver?  

MA

 

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From: Marshall Dudley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, September 28, 2010 11:06:52 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Patents on CS and Generators

I tried to patent a generator in 1999 and was told by the patent office that
CS generation is public domain and not patentable.

Marshall

On 9/28/2010 11:39 AM, MaryAnn Helland wrote:
> I have a question for the gurus on the list.  The owner of another list
that I am on, has publicly made the announcement that those of us who make
our own CS are:
> l) Creating a silver load in our bodies (and in our horse/dog/cat's
bodies) that causes an imbalance with other minerals;
> 2) That ABC (?) holds the patent on small particle CS and that our
generators, therefore, are illegal.
> I have asked her permission to include her post below, and promised that I
would share your responses with her.  So please - respond.  Thanks.
> MA
> 
> 
> Hello Again Mary Ann,
> 
> The people who came to me had generators like mine, that have no timer or
regulator etc, so you never know what product you havemine is very old,
about 15 yrs old...the original version. Therein lies the problem I
thinkhowever, with the patents that ABC holds for the nano particle
size, How can those generators you are using be legal? American Biologics
does not sell them or authorize them.
> 
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FW: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Mike:

I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol alerted me
to the Lyme discussion going on.  A long story very short, Carol got bitten
by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new
way of treating Lyme disease.  Take a look at the link  

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus .

Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other
diseases.  We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme for over 14
years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses.  It took about 6
months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel like she was
90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%.  

During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day
for 3 or 4 months.  She found that when she dropped back to a lower dosage,
her herx, fever and chills, would get worse.  Please note this high dosage
should only be done with well made colloidal silver 

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator 

containing only nano size particles.  My generator was tested by Frank Key
who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in
MesoSilver. 

Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link on
your CS group? 

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com  

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:09 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
> What type of symtoms did you have.  I suffer with a lot of pain, fagigue,
> brain fog, back and neck problems, thyroid and addison's disease, sleep
> apnea, depression.  Gosh I could go on.  I want to get rid of this.  This
is
> a
>  miserable existence.
>
>   
All of the above except Addison's, plus a weird pulling sensation on the 
top of my scalp, insomnia, yet falling asleep when I was trying to stay 
awake, and later arthritis.

Marshall
> Mary Ellen
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave
>  [mailto:ddar...@centurytel.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:55 PM
> To:
>  silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme
>
> Mary Ellen:
>I had late Lyme for 42 years, a long time before they even
>  named it.
> Besides the usual problems I got to the point where I couldn't even
>  put 
> a sentence together. Speaking to anyone became a major problem that 
> still remains a problem though not so pronounced. Some call it brain fog.
>
>Well to get to the help you need I will tell you how I got rid of it 
> (the lyme).
> I wasn't into CS at that time so after hearing about it I bought
>  two 16 
> ounce bottles and a generator and started taking the small
>  tablespoon 
> full as was the wisdom at that time. After using up one of the bottles 
> with no relief I thought it was all bull so I chugged the other bottle 
> all
>  at once.
> At that my generator arrived so I made a batch and started taking
>  it at 
> the rate of four ounces every twenty minutes. I figured if it
>  killed me
> it was for the better. What happened was on the third day of this 
> regimen I awoke in the middle of the night with a vigorous feeling of 
> well
>  being.
>
> The Lyme was gone but a long recovery was ahead as all the damage
>  wasn't 
> over.
>
> Incidently I had seen a doctor just before this and he took
>  blood for 
> testing at my insistance and it came back positive with two
>  bands, after 
> the CS I went back for another Lyme test and It came back
>  negative.
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
>   
>> I am a new member.  I am
>> 
>  trying to find out info about Lyme and how to use
>   
>> the silver, with
>> 
>  diatamatious earth to get rid of Lyme
>   
>>  
>>
>> I have also gotten info about the
>> 
>  terminator zapper.  Has anyone had
> success
>   
>> using these products to get
>> 
>  rid of Lyme.
>   
>>  
>>
>> I am presently taking the cumanda and burber
>> 
>  protocol.
>   
>>  
>>
>> How do you read arhives with this site.  I was
>> 
>  referred by Wolfcreek,
>   
>> suppliers of diatamaitous earth
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: oha...@juno.com
>> 
>  [mailto:oha...@juno.com] 
>   
>> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:06 PM
>> To:
>> 
>  silver-list@eskimo.com
>   
>> Subject: Re: CS>How to use site
>>
>> The site you are in
>> 
>  touch with - silver-list@eskimo.com - the archives
>   
>> are down so all you
>> 
>  have 
>   
>> to do is to pose a question on what you would like information on
>> 
>  and
>   
>> there are many of us 
>> here ready to assist - 
>> Regards
>> Sandee
>>
>> Peace is easy . . . It is a mind set
>> www.aliveagaingrenada.com
>>
>> 
>  
>   
>> Find solutions
>> 
>  for your business. Click here and get it done now!
>   
>
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/I

RE: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Mary Ellen:

Click on the link

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus 


Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 
-Original Message-
From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:42 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

What is the Doup Plus that Carol used..

-Original Message-
From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM
To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com
Subject: FW: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

Dear Mike:

I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol alerted me
to the Lyme discussion going on.  A long story very short, Carol got bitten
by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new
way of treating Lyme disease.  Take a look at the link  

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus .

Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other
diseases.  We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme for over 14
years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses.  It took about 6
months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel like she was
90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%.  

During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day
for 3 or 4 months.  She found that when she dropped back to a lower dosage,
her herx, fever and chills, would get worse.  Please note this high dosage
should only be done with well made colloidal silver 

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator 

containing only nano size particles.  My generator was tested by Frank Key
who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in
MesoSilver. 

Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link on
your CS group? 

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com  

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:09 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
> What type of symtoms did you have.  I suffer with a lot of pain, fagigue,
> brain fog, back and neck problems, thyroid and addison's disease, sleep
> apnea, depression.  Gosh I could go on.  I want to get rid of this.  This
is
> a
>  miserable existence.
>
>   
All of the above except Addison's, plus a weird pulling sensation on the 
top of my scalp, insomnia, yet falling asleep when I was trying to stay 
awake, and later arthritis.

Marshall
> Mary Ellen
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave
>  [mailto:ddar...@centurytel.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:55 PM
> To:
>  silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme
>
> Mary Ellen:
>I had late Lyme for 42 years, a long time before they even
>  named it.
> Besides the usual problems I got to the point where I couldn't even
>  put 
> a sentence together. Speaking to anyone became a major problem that 
> still remains a problem though not so pronounced. Some call it brain fog.
>
>Well to get to the help you need I will tell you how I got rid of it 
> (the lyme).
> I wasn't into CS at that time so after hearing about it I bought
>  two 16 
> ounce bottles and a generator and started taking the small
>  tablespoon 
> full as was the wisdom at that time. After using up one of the bottles 
> with no relief I thought it was all bull so I chugged the other bottle 
> all
>  at once.
> At that my generator arrived so I made a batch and started taking
>  it at 
> the rate of four ounces every twenty minutes. I figured if it
>  killed me
> it was for the better. What happened was on the third day of this 
> regimen I awoke in the middle of the night with a vigorous feeling of 
> well
>  being.
>
> The Lyme was gone but a long recovery was ahead as all the damage
>  wasn't 
> over.
>
> Incidently I had seen a doctor just before this and he took
>  blood for 
> testing at my insistance and it came back positive with two
>  bands, after 
> the CS I went back for another Lyme test and It came back
>  negative.
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
>   
>> I am a new member.  I am
>> 
>  trying to find out info about Lyme and how to use
>   
>> the silver, with
>> 
>  diatamatious earth to get rid of Lyme
>   
>>  
>>
>> I have also gotten info about the
>> 
>  terminator zapper.  Has anyone had
> success
>   
>> using these products to get
>> 
>  rid of Lyme.
>   
>>  
>>
>> I am presently taking the cumanda and burber
>> 
>  protocol.
>   
>>  
>>
>> How do you read arhives with this si

RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Mary Ellen:

Click on the link

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator 

No, not all generators are alike. 
There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom.

Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle
possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size.  He has
done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface
area and best effects.

Mesosilver page:  http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm 

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 

-Original Message-
From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:46 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial


Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make colloidal
silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not and a
lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an atom is a
as small as you can get and that's what they all do.

Thanks
Mary Ellen 





-Original Message-
From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM
To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com
Subject: FW: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

Dear Mike:

I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol alerted me
to the Lyme discussion going on.  A long story very short, Carol got bitten
by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new
way of treating Lyme disease.  Take a look at the link  

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus .

Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other
diseases.  We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme for over 14
years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses.  It took about 6
months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel like she was
90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%.  

During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day
for 3 or 4 months.  She found that when she dropped back to a lower dosage,
her herx, fever and chills, would get worse.  Please note this high dosage
should only be done with well made colloidal silver 

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator 

containing only nano size particles.  My generator was tested by Frank Key
who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in
MesoSilver. 

Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link on
your CS group? 

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com  

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:09 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme

Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
> What type of symtoms did you have.  I suffer with a lot of pain, fagigue,
> brain fog, back and neck problems, thyroid and addison's disease, sleep
> apnea, depression.  Gosh I could go on.  I want to get rid of this.  This
is
> a
>  miserable existence.
>
>   
All of the above except Addison's, plus a weird pulling sensation on the 
top of my scalp, insomnia, yet falling asleep when I was trying to stay 
awake, and later arthritis.

Marshall
> Mary Ellen
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave
>  [mailto:ddar...@centurytel.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:55 PM
> To:
>  silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme
>
> Mary Ellen:
>I had late Lyme for 42 years, a long time before they even
>  named it.
> Besides the usual problems I got to the point where I couldn't even
>  put 
> a sentence together. Speaking to anyone became a major problem that 
> still remains a problem though not so pronounced. Some call it brain fog.
>
>Well to get to the help you need I will tell you how I got rid of it 
> (the lyme).
> I wasn't into CS at that time so after hearing about it I bought
>  two 16 
> ounce bottles and a generator and started taking the small
>  tablespoon 
> full as was the wisdom at that time. After using up one of the bottles 
> with no relief I thought it was all bull so I chugged the other bottle 
> all
>  at once.
> At that my generator arrived so I made a batch and started taking
>  it at 
> the rate of four ounces every twenty minutes. I figured if it
>  killed me
> it was for the better. What happened was on the third day of this 
> regimen I awoke in the middle of the night with a vigorous feeling of 
> well
>  being.
>
> The Lyme was gone but a long recovery was ahead as all the damage
>  wasn't 
> over.
>
> Incidently I had seen a doctor just before this and he took
>  blood for 
> testing at my insistance and it came back positive with two
>  bands, after 
> the CS I went back for another

RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Kathryn:

>> but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking 
>> about ions

Mary Ellen used the word atoms.

There are ions, atoms and particles and they are different things.  I do not
think it is nick picking when someone uses the wrong words.  An ion is an
incomplete atom and yes it will be smaller than an atom.  Most homemade
generators produce mostly ions.  My version produces more than 90% ions.
Depending on the generator, voltage, current, salt, and many other variables
the particles produced "could" be very large.  When taking a teaspoon a day
that may not make any difference.  When taking 32 ounces a day as Carol did,
then in my opinion, it becomes very important.

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 

-Original Message-
From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:08 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable 
particle of any element.  Don't confuse the poor girl.  I respect Frank 
Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be 
too sick to understand.

Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. 
I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more 
effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking 
about ions.  My generator certainly produces ions, which are the 
smallest pieces of silver that can exist.

kathryn

On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote:

> Dear Mary Ellen:
>
> Click on the link
>
> http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator
>
> No, not all generators are alike.
> There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an 
> atom.
>
> Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle
> possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size.  
> He has
> done some research that says that the smaller particle means more 
> surface
> area and best effects.
>
> Mesosilver page:  http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm
>
> Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] 


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RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Bob:

Thank you, you are right, the link does not work.  I will email my web guy.

The generator consists of a battery box, two AA batteries, one 4.7 K ohm
resistor and two # 12 AWG .999 silver wires and a Teflon sleeve.  It takes
about an hour to make.  Total manufacturing cost is less than $50.  For a
while I was selling plans for $10 for people to make their own.  No one has
bought the plans.  I have sold quite a few of generators.

I have plans and instruction of how to make lots of things on my
EnergyPulser yahoo group but the interesting thing is that only 1 out of 100
are actually able build something.

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 

-Original Message-
From: bob Larson [mailto:bobl...@cablespeed.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:47 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

...at that page, the link to see a pic of the generator doesn't work.
i want to see inside the box of a 3vdc constant polarity machine to see
what's costing $200.


EIS/CS forms silver ions in solution which are single atoms of silver... but
they're not metallic particles until they happen to get together.  the
particulate portion of EIS/CS varies in particle size, some of them surely
being as small as is possible, but they tend to grow over time eventually
falling out.
so then we come back to which works, particles or ions? or which works best?
again & again, ad nauseum.

> -Original Message-----
> From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:32 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial
>
>
> Dear Mary Ellen:
>
> Click on the link
>
> http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator
>
> No, not all generators are alike.
> There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom.
>
> Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle
> possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in
> size.  He has
> done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface
> area and best effects.
>
> Mesosilver page:  http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm
>
> Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:46 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial
>
>
> Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make colloidal
> silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not and a
> lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an
> atom is a
> as small as you can get and that's what they all do.
>
> Thanks
> Mary Ellen
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM
> To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com
> Subject: FW: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme
>
> Dear Mike:
>
> I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol
> alerted me
> to the Lyme discussion going on.  A long story very short, Carol
> got bitten
> by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new
> way of treating Lyme disease.  Take a look at the link
>
> http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus .
>
> Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other
> diseases.  We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme
> for over 14
> years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses.  It took about 6
> months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel
> like she was
> 90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%.
>
> During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day
> for 3 or 4 months.  She found that when she dropped back to a
> lower dosage,
> her herx, fever and chills, would get worse.  Please note this high dosage
> should only be done with well made colloidal silver
>
> http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator
>
> containing only nano size particles.  My generator was tested by Frank Key
> who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in
> MesoSilver.
>
> Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link on
> your CS group?
>
> Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:09 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme
>
> Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
> > What type of symtoms did you have.  I suffer with a lot of
>

RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Bob:

Try the link now.

>> so then we come back to which works, particles or ions? or which 
>> works best? again & again, ad nauseum.

My generator makes mostly ions.  So you are not hearing any of those
arguments from me.  But if there are particles, I would like them to be as
small as possible for two reasons. One, smaller particles "may" be more
effective, and two, very large particles may get lodged in the capillaries.
So, if for the same price I can have small particles, then I would prefer
that.  The only reason all this came up was the statement that Carol was
taking 32 ounces of silver every day for months to help with her Lyme herx.
In those quantities it is very important to have smallest possible
particles. (In my opinion)

>> but they tend to grow over time eventually
>> falling out.

I have not found this to be true with the CS made with my generator.  I have
put my CS in direct sunlight in clear bottles for many days and had no
fallout.  This would be a no, no by those that recommend dark brown bottles.

Your statement does not follow the physics of a true colloidal suspension.
Again it depends on the particle size you start with. 

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 
-Original Message-
From: bob Larson [mailto:bobl...@cablespeed.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:47 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

...at that page, the link to see a pic of the generator doesn't work.
i want to see inside the box of a 3vdc constant polarity machine to see
what's costing $200.


EIS/CS forms silver ions in solution which are single atoms of silver... but
they're not metallic particles until they happen to get together.  the
particulate portion of EIS/CS varies in particle size, some of them surely
being as small as is possible, but they tend to grow over time eventually
falling out.
so then we come back to which works, particles or ions? or which works best?
again & again, ad nauseum.

> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:32 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial
>
>
> Dear Mary Ellen:
>
> Click on the link
>
> http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator
>
> No, not all generators are alike.
> There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom.
>
> Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle
> possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in
> size.  He has
> done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface
> area and best effects.
>
> Mesosilver page:  http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm
>
> Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:46 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial
>
>
> Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make colloidal
> silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not and a
> lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an
> atom is a
> as small as you can get and that's what they all do.
>
> Thanks
> Mary Ellen
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM
> To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com
> Subject: FW: CS>Desperately need help with Lyme
>
> Dear Mike:
>
> I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol
> alerted me
> to the Lyme discussion going on.  A long story very short, Carol
> got bitten
> by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new
> way of treating Lyme disease.  Take a look at the link
>
> http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus .
>
> Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other
> diseases.  We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme
> for over 14
> years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses.  It took about 6
> months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel
> like she was
> 90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%.
>
> During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day
> for 3 or 4 months.  She found that when she dropped back to a
> lower dosage,
> her herx, fever and chills, would get worse.  Please note this high dosage
> should only be done with well made colloidal silver
>
> http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator
>
> containing only nano size particles.  My generator was tested b

FW: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Arnold:

I clicked on your link and I think you did a terrific job with all the
pictures and details.  Congratulation! Including the 33 K ohm resistor is
very important in my opinion.

The $29.99 is a really great price.  But you have included enough
information that any technical person can build this with parts just lying
around and not pay you a penny.  I have found that the vast majority of the
world cannot and will not deal with clip leads.  So likely they will buy
something like the silverpuppy that looks simple to operate and has a known
good reputation.  So probably you will not sell many of your design.

I have been a member of this group for over 9 years and have learned a lot
of very useful information by just lurking.  There is a collection of great
minds here.  I have not been active for a few years now, but I remember the
ion, particle wars with Frank Key on one side and seemingly everyone else on
the other side.  I have visited Frank Key's testing laboratory on several
occasions.  He has purchased the very best, money no object, test equipment.
I would guess that he has more that a million dollars sitting in one room.
I remember that the people who criticized Frank the loudest had no test
equipment at all, just pet theories.  He even offered to test anybody's
colloidal silver for free to do a comparison.  I am an engineer and I like
the idea of measuring something rather than just guessing.

So Arnold do you have any test reports showing PPM and particle size for
your generator?

If you click on the link for my generator you will find a page or two
describing the theory behind my design.  If you read that you will find that
I started where you are now and found that the higher the voltage, the less
predictable the outcome.  Not to repeat all that here, but you may want to
repeat my experiments.  There is enough information there that anybody with
some technical know can build my generator design for FREE.  There are some
subtle cute features of this design that are not obvious.  There is no
critical cutoff time that requires watching, timing, or electronic automatic
shutdown, stirring, etc.  One day produces 5 PPM, 2 days 15 PPM, 3 days 18
PPM, 4 days 19 PPM, etc.  The ionic silver solution saturates and you can
tell when you are done by watching the build up of silver crystals on the
negative electrode.  After that you are just wasting silver.  The Teflon
sleeve on the negative electrode stops the floating silver on top of the
water.  Also the sleeve forces a longer electric circuit pathway through the
water.  A fortuitous accident is that the PPM made with this design is 15
micro Siemens on the Hanna PWT which just happens to be 15 PPM of silver
concentration. 

Anyway Arnold, this was not meant to be a criticism of you and your work
rather some more information for people to look at.  My design can be copied
for FREE and the parts costs are lower than your higher voltage design.  The
other advantage is that there is test data on my web page for the colloidal
silver made with this ultra low voltage design.  Frank tells me that this
design produces the smallest particles of all other colloidal silver he has
tested.

How I sell my generator for $200 is as follows.  I give colloidal silver
away for free.  I do mention that they could make their own with the
generator I sell.  I keep giving them free colloidal silver and they tell me
how great it works and that they are giving some away to other people.  At
some point in time they decide they want to buy a generator.  Then they come
and pick up a generator for their friends.  It has become a distributed
network of colloidal silver suppliers.  Almost all my sales are by word of
mouth.  Everyone thinks $200 is a great deal.  They know what they were
spending at the health food store.

Now people on this list are too smart to spend $200 because they can make
their own.  In the real world probably 1 out of 100 can make their own.

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 
-Original Message-
From: Arnold Beland [mailto:abela...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:44 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

LOL   Wow, what a deal!!!  If anyone wants a ready made solution for under 
$200, why not get a generator from Ken at http://silverpuppy.com/.
It has some real guts and is sold by someone who has forgotten more about 
this stuff than must of us will ever know.
As long as we are into blatant self-promotion, free plans and theory for a 
constant polarity machine can be found at
http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm
and all the parts and equipment are available for $29.99.
http://www.atlasnova.com/ColloidalSilverStarterKit.htm
Best Regards,
Arnold Beland
www.atlasnova.com
- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Meissner yahoo" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:27 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial


> Dear Bob:

RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Ode:

I have found what you say to be true.  

With my generator design, that is with the 3 volt, ultra low voltage and low
current, the positive electrode wire becomes slightly black.  One slight
disadvantage of using such low voltage is that poor quality distilled water
will turn the positive electrode very black and stop the process and the
generator will not make colloidal silver.  Probably the high voltage of
standard generators breaks down this layer.  On the other hand it might be a
good thing because why make colloidal silver with poor quality water.  The
other interesting thing that happens using low voltage and low current is
that the solution saturates with ions at 13.5 PPM and after that the excess
ions come out of the solution and become metallic silver crystals adhering
to the negative electrode.  I tell my customers that when they see some
silver fuzz one the negative electrode, they are done.  After a few days you
can see a beautiful upside down Christmas tree hanging from the negative
electrode.  The typical reading on the Hanna PWT will be 5uS after 1 day,
15uS after 2 days, 17uS, 18uS, 20us, and so on.  There seems to be a
limiting phenomenon where the ion content of the solution remains constant
while day by day the particle content increases slightly.  The size of the
particles is 2 to 3 nanometers.  It is interesting that the Hanna PWT
displays a 1 to 1 relationship with the PPM silver concentration.

I would be very interested to have you run some test on the generator to see
what you think.  If you would send me your address I will send you a
generator to play with.

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com
  
-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:24 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial


>


## but
they're not metallic particles until they .pick up an electron.
But free electrons don't exist in water.
It's possible that electrons can gather on the surface of glass, acting as 
a capacitor, coming from electromagnetic radiation being converted into 
electrons by the semi metallic and metallic components of the glass acting 
like a [bad] solar cell...thus, you may see some silver plate out build up 
on the glass as silver ions are being made metallic.
  A Harvard study pointed to the surface of glass as being a crystal 
nucleation site where particles form and grow into clusters.

If you illuminate and magnify a CS making chamber and don't stir the water, 
if there is enough [DC] current flowing, you'll see brownish gold particles 
streaming off one electrode and white ones streaming off the other.
  The streams sink towards each other but vanish where they contact the 
glass at the bottom.
  At that spot a silver mirror will form with a black oxide spot on one 
side of it and a white hydroxide spot on the other.

  Why?  I dunno.  Maybe this, maybe that and maybe a combination of both 
with other things thrown in...like..electrons on the glass surface?

If current is reduced, the golden stream doesn't form.
Why?
Most likely because almost all the oxides stay stuck to the electrode.

Every time I've seen that golden stream, I made golden CS.

Ode

>EIS/CS forms silver ions in solution which are single atoms of silver...
but
>they're not metallic particles until they happen to get together.  the
>particulate portion of EIS/CS varies in particle size, some of them surely
>being as small as is possible, but they tend to grow over time eventually
>falling out.
>so then we come back to which works, particles or ions? or which works
best?
>again & again, ad nauseum.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:32 PM
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial
> >
> >
> > Dear Mary Ellen:
> >
> > Click on the link
> >
> > http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator
> >
> > No, not all generators are alike.
> > There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an
atom.
> >
> > Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle
> > possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in
> > size.  He has
> > done some research that says that the smaller particle means more
surface
> > area and best effects.
> >
> > Mesosilver page:  http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm
> >
> > Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:46 PM
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: CS>Info about t

RE: CS>H2O2 and Colloidal Silver, Nebulizers, Gatorade, DMSO

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Peter:

Kathryn has done an excellent job of answering your questions.

I will add my two cents.  I do not have Lyme, but a friend of mine had it
and I helped develop a system that got rid of it.  Please take a look at 
http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus 
So far as I know, normal ionic colloidal silver by itself will not be useful
in dealing with the Lyme spirochetes.  Once you kill the spirochetes and
have serious herx reactions then colloidal silver will be of great benefit.
My friend Carol consumed as much as 32 ounces a day to help to deal with
secondary infections and the fever and chills caused by the dead
spirochetes.

There is another product called MesoSilver made by Frank Key that is mostly
extremely small particles and very little ionic and there is some
information that this type of colloidal silver may be effective for Lyme. 
 
http://www.colloidal-silver-colloids.com/1568940264asf589d516d3615d746afdfaf
d/lym5813.htm 

There is a yahoo group that you might want to visit that deals mostly with
Lyme.
lyme-and-r...@yahoogroups.com


Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 
 
-Original Message-
From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 6:35 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>H2O2 and Colloidal Silver, Nebulizers, Gatorade, DMSO

Hi Peter,

Welcome to the group. I am not official in any way, so this is an 
unofficial welcoming message.  ;-)

You have so many questions, I am not sure anyone has the answers for 
many of them. I don't think I have lyme, but did have one positive 
test, they said false positive, but who knows if that means anything, 
and if so, what.  It sounds like you have been doing your homework.  I 
guess I can tell you what I have read, but I have not nebulized myself.

On Jun 22, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Peter Converse wrote:

> Hi all,
>  
> I am pretty new to the group. I am dealing with Lyme Disease and 
> looking for ways to improve delivery of CS into the deeper areas of 
> the body where Lyme spirochetes and cysts hide out. I have seen 
> mention of Gatorade, DMSO and H2O2 being used to improve penetration 
> and have seen that nebulizers have been used to get CS into the 
> bloodstream via the lungs. I would appreciate it if anyone could offer 
> research suggestions  about these methods as well as using cayenne 
> pepper.
>  
>  
> Are nebulizers best for bronchial and lung issues only or can they 
> used to improve delivery to all body sites?

bronchial and lungs, probably, but your mileage may vary.

> Can one safely nebulize a mixture of H2O2 and CS, and if so, what 
> would be the best ratio for this?

I definitely would not do that, but if you feel like it, it's your 
body. I have only seen reference to people here using H2O2 in small 
amounts to break up any slightly larger particles that might have 
formed, so there is more uniformity and tininess (is that even a  
word?).


>  If DMSO were to be added to this protocol how would this look on 
> paper?


I have seen recipes for adding DMSO to ionic silver water for eyedrops 
or other specific applications to carry the silver deeper into the 
tissues. I do not recall the amount used, but it was small.

>  Also, what about using the CS in enemas or in colonic implants as a 
> means of delivery improvement?

That might make sense for killing things residing in the colon.

>  Do these methods really excede sublingual doses in effectiveness?

LOL  ???  who knows?

> Do any of these methods approach the delivery capability and 
> effectiveness of IVs?
>  

I have not heard anyone talking about using cs as an IV fluid, 
recently. It may have been discussed, but I do not remember it.

> If nebulizing, is an oxygen-nebulizer really the best and safest way 
> to go or can a cheaper nebulizer perform well enough without using 
> tanks of O2?

Most seem to use a nebulizer without O2, or even a spray bottle. I have 
sprayed it into a plastic bag and inhaled it, and that worked. After I 
tried that, I bought a cold mist humidifier to use, but have not a 
reason yet, so I have not tried it.

> Rather than using Gatorade could an electrolye product like 
> Concentrace or BioPure Matrix Electrolye be used to enhance delivery?

I guess you could use whatever you want. The Gatorade has a balance of 
sodium and potassium, also a little sugar (now corn syrup, which I will 
not drink). There are other equivalent electrolyte replacement formulas 
on the market, or you could make your own using salt and NuSalt, which 
is potassium.

> I am hopefull that someone can help me out here and point my research 
> in the right direction.  Thanks,   Blessings,
> Peter

you are welcome, I am not sure I was any help, but there you are. Take 
care, and good luck with the lyme.

Kathryn


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RE: CS>H2O2 and Colloidal Silver, Nebulizers, Gatorade, DMSO

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Peter:

It looks like you have been fighting Lyme for quite some time.  If you read
Bryan's book then you know that the Doug Coil Machine is the most powerful
tool out there.  Also you probably read that many protocols and machines
must be combined.  What is not generally stated is that some types of
machines loose their effectiveness and a different machine needs to be
purchased.

I based my design on Doug MacLean's work with the Doug Coil Machine.  I
worked with Doug for over a year and he would call Carol every few weeks to
monitor her progress.  He was concerned that the capacitor coupling may not
be as powerful as the coil inductive coupling.  I only have data on one test
subject, that is Carol, but it seems like it took 6 months for her to be 90%
recovered and about one year to be 100%.  The only thing we used was the
DougPlus and ionic colloidal silver.  Doug MacLean states that it takes 2 to
3 years to recover from Lyme using the Doug Coil Machine.

I have three machines being tested and the reports I am getting are very
encouraging.  It seems like the DougPlus produces herx reaction where other
machines have ceased to be effective.  One customer has a $6000 PERL machine
that was very effective but no longer does the trick.  He is using
MesoSilver and the DougPlus and calls to tell me that he is feeling good.

If you would like to try the DougPlus, I give a 30 day money back, less
shipping.  You will know whether it works within a few days.

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 

-Original Message-
From: Peter Converse [mailto:p...@vif.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:11 AM
To: Jim Meissner yahoo
Subject: Re: CS>H2O2 and Colloidal Silver, Nebulizers, Gatorade, DMSO

Hi Jim, Kathryn, Marshall, Dee and anyone else who has chimed in with help 
regarding Lyme Disease. I appreciate it very much!

I have purchased a GB4000 Rife machine, have a coil-type Rife machine on 
order, have been doing the Salt/C protocol for 16 months, tried Meso Silver 
for a couple months and have just invested in a Silver Puppy as well.

Marshall has suggested ozonated water and magnetic pulsing--thanks for those

tips Marshall. Can anyone suggest a good but inexpensive way to make the 
ozonated water?

I am looking into mag pulsing also with Robb Allen's High Power Magnetic 
Pulser, as recommended by Bryan Rosner from www.lymebook.comand also 
looking at MMS.

Jim, maybe we could talk some more about your Dougplus...looks interesting.


Blessings to you all,

Peter Converse



- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Meissner yahoo" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:51 AM
Subject: RE: CS>H2O2 and Colloidal Silver, Nebulizers, Gatorade, DMSO


Dear Peter:

Kathryn has done an excellent job of answering your questions.

I will add my two cents.  I do not have Lyme, but a friend of mine had it
and I helped develop a system that got rid of it.  Please take a look at
http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus
So far as I know, normal ionic colloidal silver by itself will not be useful
in dealing with the Lyme spirochetes.  Once you kill the spirochetes and
have serious herx reactions then colloidal silver will be of great benefit.
My friend Carol consumed as much as 32 ounces a day to help to deal with
secondary infections and the fever and chills caused by the dead
spirochetes.

There is another product called MesoSilver made by Frank Key that is mostly
extremely small particles and very little ionic and there is some
information that this type of colloidal silver may be effective for Lyme.

http://www.colloidal-silver-colloids.com/1568940264asf589d516d3615d746afdfaf
d/lym5813.htm

There is a yahoo group that you might want to visit that deals mostly with
Lyme.
lyme-and-r...@yahoogroups.com


Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com

-Original Message-
From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com]
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 6:35 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>H2O2 and Colloidal Silver, Nebulizers, Gatorade, DMSO

Hi Peter,

Welcome to the group. I am not official in any way, so this is an
unofficial welcoming message.  ;-)

You have so many questions, I am not sure anyone has the answers for
many of them. I don't think I have lyme, but did have one positive
test, they said false positive, but who knows if that means anything,
and if so, what.  It sounds like you have been doing your homework.  I
guess I can tell you what I have read, but I have not nebulized myself.

On Jun 22, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Peter Converse wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am pretty new to the group. I am dealing with Lyme Disease and
> looking for ways to improve delivery of CS into the deeper areas of
> the body where Lyme spirochetes and cysts hide out. I have seen
> mention of Gatorade, DMSO and H2O2 being used to improve penetration
> and have seen that nebulizers have been used to get CS into the
> bloodstream via the lungs. I would appreci

FW: CS>The DougPlus Machine

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

This message was to long, so I trimmed it.

 

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 

  _  

From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:55 PM
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com'
Subject: RE: CS>The DougPlus Machine

 

Dear Bob:

 

You are so very close to being right.  Actually the aluminum foil is hard to
make a reliable connection to.  The first units were made with aluminum
window screen and the latest use ¼ inch hardware cloth.

 

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 

  _  

From: bob Larson [mailto:bobl...@cablespeed.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:29 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>The DougPlus Machine

 

let me guess:  inside each enclosure is a sheet of reynolds wrap.

-Original Message-
From: Peter Converse [mailto:p...@vif.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:50 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

FW: CS>The DougPlus Machine

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

-Original Message-
From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:30 PM
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com'
Subject: RE: CS>The DougPlus Machine

Dear Peter:

>> Jim, can you describe to me or show me in pictures what the inside of the
wooden enclosures of your DougPlus Machine looks like.

The wooden structure on each side of Carol contains a piece of metal to act
as a capacitor plate to couple the Doug MacLean derived Lyme frequencies
into and through the body.  In the original units this was aluminum window
screen and now is a ¼ inch hardware cloth, sandwiched between layers of
Styrofoam.  The size of the “plate” is about 2 by 3 feet.  The purpose of
the Styrofoam and wood structure is to provide insulation from the extremely
high voltage that can be present on the plates.  The voltages can be as high
as 10,000 volts and it is important to prevent someone from touching the
plates.  The wooden structure also contains a 100 to 1 step up transformer
that can be driven by a low voltage audio amplifier.  All dangerous high
voltages are safely contained within the wooden box.

>>  What do the capacitor plates look like and how do they differ from using
a coil, in terms of their effects? 

This is a picture of the typical home made Doug Coil Machine.  The DougPlus
is very much simpler to use.

http://meissnerresearch.com/info/home-made-doug-coil-machine  

Hopefully the plates will be just as effective as or more effective than the
coil.  We only have data on a few people, but so far it looks good.  One
person has reported that his Doug Coil Machine no longer gives him a herx
reaction but the DougPlus is having some positive effects.  Another person
has a PERL that has stopped being effective but the DougPlus is providing
good results.

>> I am interested in knowing more about the random frequency generator.

The random frequency generator is a digital shift register that creates a
random output frequency.  This type of a device is used to test speaker
systems and room acoustics.  In that application it is referred to as a
“pink noise generator” as compared to a “white noise generator” which has a
constant output power over the frequency range.  Take a look at the link and
some of the description there.

http://meissnerresearch.com/info/random-frequency-generator  

This device generates ALL frequencies at a random rate.  Look at the
spectrum analyzer display.

>> How does this freq. generator accomplish the job without pausing for a
time or sweeping?

We experimented with sweeping and found it to be too complicated for the
user as compared to the random frequency generator.  It requires a high
level of “know how” to set up the sweep parameters.  You must pick the start
and end frequencies, sweep speed or frequency steps and dwell time.  If you
sweep too wide a frequency there may not be enough dwell time at the
critical frequencies to have an effect on the Lyme spirochetes.  Also if you
sweep too fast, you have the same problem.  For those who have this “know
how” there is an optional input for external generators.

>>  How can one be sure that they are hitting the right frequencies for Lyme
or co-infections for a long enough period of time to be effective?

>>  Also, how do you know what you are going after...ie Borreliaor
Bartonella...or Babesiaor Erlichia...etc?

>>  Don't you need to control your program to avoid hitting the MORs (mortal
oscillatory rates) of all pathogens within the generator's freq. range in
any given session?

>>  I can't imagine how this freq. generator would work selectively or avoid
giving someone a massive herx if they had several different infections
concurrently. 

All of these questions are interesting and I do not have the answers.  I
will answer this indirectly.

I can sit between these plates at full power for over 30 minutes and feel no
effects except possible a boost in energy.  I have done this many times.
Several others have done so also.  This covers several years.  So I would
question the theories proposed by some that there are MORs and the danger of
hitting the wrong frequencies. 

I feel that there is much misinformation on the subject of rife.  Royal Rife
did some fabulous work, but all of that is lost without his special
microscope.  There are many vendors selling rife machines and most are well
meaning, but I wonder about their claims for these frequencies.

The DougPlus covers the Rife-Crane frequencies of 100 to 2500 Hz and the
Consolidated Frequency list covers hundreds of diseases that are reportedly
cured by these frequencies.  Theoretically if these frequencies are valid,
then the DougPlus may have some additional uses.

>>  Am I right in assuming that you would start with a very short-duration
session time, treating all pathogens that a person has (knowingly or
unknowingly) in that session 

>>  and gra

RE: CS>Big WOOPS!

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Mike:

This looks very similar to my colloidal silver generator design and
therefore I suggest that you look for silver crystals forming on the
negative wire as an indication that the ionic silver solution has become
saturated.  This may take 2 days and depends on other factors like
temperature, the quality of the distilled water and the phase of the moon.

I would also question the use of a solid state regulator at this low power
supply voltage.  This device is rated a 25 volts and I suspect that you
loose more than 1 volt turn on threshold.  The minimum knee impedance is
listed at 6 volts and the maximum limiting voltage is 1.00 volts.  This
means that you do not get 3 volts to the electrodes at rated current.  You
might want to measure this to make sure, I am just guessing.  With my design
I just use a 4.7 K ohm resistor and that seems to work fine.

Another comment is that the Hanna PWT seems to give a 1 to 1 correspondence
of uS to silver PPM when making silver at these low voltages and currents.
If making good colloidal silver is important, then it is worthwhile to spend
$60 for this meter.  It also lets you test the quality of the distilled
water.

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 

-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 3:34 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Big WOOPS!

I don't know if most of you remember the episode a few years back when 
Marshalee discovered the batteries in her generator were dead? It 
explained why her CS had stopped working for her and was a cautionary 
tale for all of us!

Well, I'm not sure what made me think of it today, but I decided to 
measure the voltage across my electrodes just to see if the batteries 
were still okay. They should be, given that the load we put on them 
making CS is so low they should be good for their shelf-life of several 
**years.**

No voltage. Huh?!

I took apart the case and, lo and behold, the cheapo battery holder 
from radio shack is broken, with the end popped off and the batteries 
sticking out.

G! 

So just how long has MY colloidal silver been plain water? God only 
knows. It's been at least 5 years since I built this thing in its 
current incarnation and I'm still on the original set of batteries. The 
last time I checked the voltage? I don't remember.

Time to re-build it with a small LED and a pushbutton battery test 
switch. And a better quality battery holder, of course.

FYI, my generator consists of two AA batteries for 3 volts, a current 
limiting diode (part# 1N5285, 0.27 ma), a silver eagle coin for the 
anode, and a couple of copper wires for cathodes, one on either side of 
the coin. The cathodes have insulation on them except for the bottom 
1/4" or so.

It will also have a battery-check light, real soon. 

Be well!

Mike D.
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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RE: CS>Distiller Idea? Was: Waterwise Non-Electric Distiller

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

I have a stove top distiller.  You will find that the steam will quickly
heat up your "condenser" collector and become a whole room steamer.  Keeping
the collector cool is a challenge.  The device I have uses another pot
filled with cold water as the collector.  By the time you have distilled a
quart, the water in the cooling pot is hot.

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 

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From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 3:27 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Distiller Idea? Was: Waterwise Non-Electric Distiller

Silvia writes:
> Has anyone used this unit to make their distilled water?
> http://www.canningpantry.com/waterwise-1600.html  If so what were the
> pros and cons?

That's an interesting item, Silvia. Too bad we don't have anybody with 
experience with it. I'd be interested, too.

I'd recently thought about building some kind of stove-top distiller, 
since natural gas is still relatively cheap and I could keep it running 
on the stove most days. We're spending a buck a gallon for distilled 
and go through 20 gallons a month or more.

I wonder if the 16 gallon stock pot with glass lid I saw at the store 
the other day would be useful as a distiller? I could invert the domed 
glass lid, moving the knob to the "wrong" side and put a collection 
vessel inside on top of a wire grate or metal stand. The steam should 
condense on the lid and run down into the collector.

There's a small vent hole in the lid. I expect at least some of the 
volatiles would escape through the vent. If the collection vessel 
overflows, no big deal. I'd want the collector to have a wire handle on 
it, like the kind on a paint bucket, so I could lift it out with a hot 
mitt and pour off the contents... maybe a teapot?

Hmmm... sounds like a $50 project versus a $350 product.

Comments or suggestions anyone?

Mike D.
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RE: CS>Big WOOPS!

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Mike:

I do remember talking to you about my design many years ago.  I was not sure
if you remembered that.  

Please resist the urge to go to 9 volts, bin there done that!  Spend your
money on a 4.7 K ohm resistor instead of the current limit diode.

http://meissnerresearch.com/info/silver-generator-pictures 

Look at the third picture down.  That will show you how much of the negative
lead is exposed.  The sleeve is 4 inches and the exposed negative silver
electrode is about 2 inches.  You should see silver fuzz form there
indicting that you have saturated the water with silver ions and the excess
is electroplating on the negative electrode.

Also it is "mandatory" for the negative electrode to be made out of silver!
I started with silver plated copper wire but got inconsistent results.  I
know it should not matter what the negative wire is made out of, but testing
both proved that silver was necessary.  I was trying to save money using
copper, but a 7 inch piece of silver is only $5.  I will send you some
silver wire if you like.  

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 


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RE: CS>Big WOOPS!

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Mike:

I found sometimes a 10 PPM differences with batches brewed with same time
duration.  No clue as to why.  With the silver instead of copper the results
are consistent batch to batch.

You do not know that you have inconsistent result unless you measure things
with accurate test equipment.  So don't measure, don't worry, be happy.

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 


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RE: CS>Big WOOPS!

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Mike:

I make 5 gallons at a time using 3 volts and a 4.7 K ohm limiting resistor.
I see no reason to rush the process.  There is something magic at 3 volts.
All my testing pointed at 3 volts being the optimum.  Colloidal silver made
this way will store indefinitely.  I had one batch tested that was 6 months
old and it still tested the same as a fresh batch.

The electrode spacing should be as far apart as possible so that the current
path involves the maximum amount of water.  This reduces the need for
stirring.  I put the sleeve on the negative electrode so that the current
path would be longer!

I would expose more than just 1/4 inch of wire, and possibly add more
negative electrodes in a circle around the central positive electrode.

I still think a #12 silver wire would work better than the coin.  I sell one
or two extra electrodes a year to my customers, depending how much colloidal
silver they make, they do wear out.
 
Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 


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RE: CS>Big WOOPS!

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Ode:

Would you please elaborate!  What do you think is going on? 
Is it copper or any metallic substance?
How about a silver wire?

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 
-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] 
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:35 AM
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Subject: RE: CS>Big WOOPS!



  Drop a piece of copper wire into a batch of EIS / CS , wait a week or so 
and observe using eyeballs and a meter.
..no more silver in the water.

Ode


At 10:37 AM 6/28/2008 -0400, you wrote:
>Dear Mike:
>
>I do remember talking to you about my design many years ago.  I was not
sure
>if you remembered that.
>
>Please resist the urge to go to 9 volts, bin there done that!  Spend your
>money on a 4.7 K ohm resistor instead of the current limit diode.
>
>http://meissnerresearch.com/info/silver-generator-pictures
>
>Look at the third picture down.  That will show you how much of the
negative
>lead is exposed.  The sleeve is 4 inches and the exposed negative silver
>electrode is about 2 inches.  You should see silver fuzz form there
>indicting that you have saturated the water with silver ions and the excess
>is electroplating on the negative electrode.
>
>Also it is "mandatory" for the negative electrode to be made out of silver!
>I started with silver plated copper wire but got inconsistent results.  I
>know it should not matter what the negative wire is made out of, but
testing
>both proved that silver was necessary.  I was trying to save money using
>copper, but a 7 inch piece of silver is only $5.  I will send you some
>silver wire if you like.
>
>Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com
>
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RE: CS>CS ppm ( EC and ppm

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Wayne:

 

>> As I have said, no ppm meter exists in the world today.  Just because
many people use the EC meter and call the results ppm metes does not  a ppm
meter exist.

 

Actually there are at least two scientific instruments that directly measure
silver concentration.  One is a probe similar to a pH probe that
specifically measures silver concentration.  The other is a photo
spectrometer.  Neither one is cheap.   I have been to Frank Key's lab
several times and the device he uses burns the silver sample in a plasma
then measures the frequency spectrum emitted and the magnatude in relation
to a certified standard.

 

It just so happens that the collidal silver made by my generator shows that
uS is a 1 to 1 realation to PPM using the Hanna PWT tester.  Other EC meters
probably will be different.  See the test report at
http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator .

 

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 

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From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:cwa...@netdoor.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 4:37 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>CS ppm ( EC and ppm

 

At 12:33 PM 7/3/2008, you wrote:



What does this mean Ode?  What exactly is uS and why doesn't the amount of
silver in the water change?  Many thanks.  Dee 


Dee,

You should know that before you start talking ppm.

Where could the silver go ?  How could it get out ?
Just like Ode said.

The MicroSiemens can change it appears.  Not all salts are conductive, not
equally anyway.
That is only one reason why microseimens is not ppm.   


Conductivity is a measurement of the ability of a solution to conduct an
electric current. An instrument measures conductivity by placing two plates
of conductive material with know area and distance apart in a sample.  Then
a voltage potential is applied and the resulting current is measured.   
===

For many years the unit of conductivity was the mho, the mili mho, and the
micro mho.

Mho is a goofy word, the unit of resistance, ( ohm ) spelled backwards.
How about that ?

Don't worry so much and realize you are guessing and using approximations.
What difference does it make anyway ?

As I have said, no ppm meter exists in the world today.  Just because many
people use the EC meter and call the results ppm metes does not  a ppm meter
exist.

You don't believe me ?

The instrument industry makes it crystal clear.  They are even trying to
combine and make one unit,
EC and ppm.  

While they may do it, rest assured the knowledgeable people will never
accept it, not in
100 years.

Some very expensive meters will measure only one kind or salt, not two or
three.
They can come close to ppm, . maybe.

But I only trust calculated ppm as being very close, as close as one can get
by normal means.

Wayne

RE: CS>CS ppm ( EC and ppm )

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Wayne:

 

You are quite right the water you start with has an affect.  My premise is
that I always start with pure water around 1 to 2 uS.

 

Many years ago when I was more active on this group someone proposed uS to
PPM ratio and I do not remember what that was and who did the research.  

 

The fact that colloidal silver made with my generator has this 1 to 1
relationship is pure luck and I did not find out about it until Frank Key
made the measurement.

 

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 

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From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:cwa...@netdoor.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 11:25 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>CS ppm ( EC and ppm )

 

Evening Jim,

>>  At 12:43 PM 7/4/2008, you wrote:



Dear Wayne:
 >> As I have said, no ppm meter exists in the world today.  Just because
many people use the EC meter and call the results ppm metes does not  a ppm
meter exist.
 
Actually there are at least two scientific instruments that directly measure
silver concentration.  One is a probe similar to a pH probe that
specifically measures silver concentration.  The other is a photo
spectrometer.  Neither one is cheap.   I have been to Frank Keys lab
several times and the device he uses burns the silver sample in a plasma
then measures the frequency spectrum emitted and the magnatude in relation
to a certified standard.

   Interesting indeed.

I made the statement that some high priced instruments exist that will
measure a single salt.
Possibly these fancy devices would be covered by that.

I am not the only person that says this about ppm meters, many others have
said the same thing.





 
It just so happens that the collidal silver made by my generator shows that
uS is a 1 to 1 realation to PPM using the Hanna PWT tester.  Other EC meters
probably will be different.  See the test report at 


  How did you manage that ?  Looks like that would depend on the water as
much as the CS.



http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator .


   Maybe I should have said, no Standard ppm  meter 
or..   No off the shelf ppm meter, that one could afford and use exists.

The EC meters that are showing ppm have internal calculations much like the
people on the list are using.

Back to your original statement,

>> Actually there are at least two scientific instruments that directly
measure silver concentration.

I am fully aware that any machine, device or instrument can be designed and
built to
accomplish virtually any purpose or virtually any task.

And,   I have no doubt that every think you say is  100 % correct.

My only slight difference and problem is that one would consider these
highly sophisticated instruments, costing many thousands of dollars to be a
ppm meter.
They appear to be a single purpose instrument.

I don't think you even said that they were ppm meters.  

It disturbs me that the instrument industry is talking about combining EC
and ppm
 and having only one unit.  Not sure what they could call it.

I believe that many would never accept it. ppm is an absolute.  EC is also,
but they are not the same thing, and never will be.  In rare cases, pure
water and one item, and they will be close, as you stated.

Wayne

RE: CS>spectrophotometer readings

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Mike:

I had my nano colloidal silver solution tested by Frank Key.  I watched the
testing process while discussing other things so my recollections may be
vague.  I am sure Frank would be available to give more details.

The process is a high frequency induction heater creates a plasma that
vaporizes the liquid sample.  Then a movable grating is used as a scanning
frequency selective meter.  This plots the amplitude vs. frequency of the
sample. This produces a peak amplitude at the silver frequency.  There will
be other peaks if the sample is not pure.  There are several automatic
calibrations that are part of the normal operation of the meter.  Distilled
water, a calibrated known concentration, then the solution under test.  This
is repeated three times and an average is taken as the final answer.

What this measures is the total silver concentration and does not
differentiate between ionic or particles. 

In order to determine the ion particle ratio, the sample is put in a super
centrifuge which precipitates all the particles leaving the ionic part.
This then measured with the spectrometer and the difference calculated.

Jim Meissner   www.MeissnerResearch.com 

-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:59 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>spectrophotometer readings

I assume Peter's talking about an instrument that measures 
absorption/transmission through the liquid, Ken! Atomic absorption 
spectrophotometry is another animal alltogether.

Peter, did you run a control sample of plain distilled water with which 
to compare? A quick visual scan of your data suggests a basically 
smooth, gradual rise in transmissivity with increasing wavelength. The 
data points are so sparse there's no chance to discern any fine 
structure.

I think there was some more informative work done using a scanning 
UV/visible/IR spectrophotometer, but I don't remember by whom.

With a continuously variable wavelength light source, one could expect 
to see an actual resonant peak (or trough) where the particle size 
distribution would interact with the wavelength of the light. A 
sufficiently small particle size would interact in the ultraviolet, I 
believe. I don't know what, if anything, you could see of the ionic 
component of your preparation.

I hope others remember more about this than I do and can dredge up some 
references and/or archived messages on the topic.

Be well,

Mike D.


>Since a [AA} spectrophotometer essentially vaporizes a sample into a
> plasma, why would particle size be any part of that?
> 
> ode
> 
> 
> 
> At 04:03 PM 7/28/2008 +1000, you wrote:
> 
> >Dear csers,
> >
> >I recently had the opportunity to play with a spectrophotometer.Using 
> >the instruction book procedures gave the following readings:
> >
> >I took readings at wavelengths for 
> >blue(470nm),green(555nm),yellow(585nm),orange(610nm) and red(650nm).The
> > results indicated a figure for Absorption(A) and Transmission(T) %.
> >
> >Blue;A=0.143 T=71.8
> >
> >,Green;A=0.136 T=73.2
> >
> >  Yellow;A=0.118 T=75.9
> >
> >  Orange;A=0.115 T=76.8
> >
> >  Red;A=0.093 T=80.7
> >
> >My question for those familiar with this apparatus is;
> >
> >What particle size could be ascertained from these results?
> >
> >My cs production method uses 27v and halts at 8mA using spiral shaped
> >electrodes spaced 25mm apart.Results are a clear solution (no colour)
> >but a slight tyndall effect observable via high power(1w) leds
> >
> >Thank you for taking time to reply.
> >
> >pete
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: CS>Hello from new member!

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Hi Paul,

 

You might consider this one. I've used CS made with it for 11 years now, as
needed, for pneumonia, lyme and other tick-borne diseases, cuts, scrapes,
sinus infections, etc with excellent results. 

 

http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator

 

Carol Monroe

 

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From: zzekel...@aol.com [mailto:zzekel...@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:19 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Hello from new member!

 

In a message dated 1/10/2012 6:00:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
devorah...@yahoo.com writes:

Hey everybody. Decided to join because within the last week i've been
researching CS nonstop.
After a long, frustrating journey trying to figure out my health issues
(mostly lifelong asthma, and sinusitis for 3 years) CS hit me like a ton of
bricks, and I knew
I was on the right track. I'm on my 4th day and the results are miraculous.
Just incredible.

I just ordered a portable nebulizer to help accelerate the results.
And now, probably like most of you,  i'm pretty determined to make my own
CS. I'm deep in the middle of reading through each manufacturers site. It
is a bit of a wild ride but i'm convinced i'll find something. I know i
need constant current, probably want an automatic stirrer, etc. I"ll search
the archives for more info.  take care,  Paul   believe it or not i'm
walking on air

Hi Paul & welcome...You've hit a great group of people here.. I have learned
so much since I joined... There are a couple members in the group that sell
C S generators... Ask & I'm sure they will send you info..I have a silver
puppy & love it. Sold by Ode on the group... Once again Welcome.Lois

 

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