Re: CSMSM????????
Enjoyed your note, but there is an easier way. First off, MSM is not silver related -- that's why there isn't a big discussion about it here. But if you look at the bottom of every message posted, you see a list of resources, including - Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Click on that and type in MSM -- I got 908 matches. Another resource is Asc Jeeves http://www.askjeeves.com/ Just type in what is MSM There are other health related resources on the net. I tried Dr. Koop at http://www.drkoop.com/ -- but he doesn't seem to know what MSM is Rex MSM has cleared all my allergys OK, here's another one I've been watching for the few weeks I've been on the list...hoping someone might slip up and actually say what it is and what all it's for. So, I checked the internet.. could it be: Moorehouse School of Medicine Missouri School of Mines MSM Promotions (which promotes gospel music) Majlis Syura Muslimun (a Malaysian Muslim Students movement based in UK) Mississippi School of Mathmatics Marriott School of Management (in Salt Lake City) Market Street Mall (online shopping) Midnight Sun Marathon (in Norway) Mathmeticians's Secret Room (still trying to figure out why this is under MSM.. seems to me it should be under MSR! Oh well.) Mary Stuart Masterson (some kind of web page) Main Street Middleschool Morning Star Meadow (Arabian horses) Medical Systems Management (a provider of integrated software) Manchester School of Massage Manhattan School of Music Oh wait, herewhat's this.ah! I may be on to something! chondroitin blend and MSM for horses and dogs at discount prices(it was the chondroitin that caught my eye)I think I'm getting closer! Ohhere's another one Join the MSM Club and receive the mineral methylsulphonylmethane powder at affordable prices with automatic shipments Oh heck, I'm just going to give up and askwhat is it and what does it do??? After all, I may need some (This list is great! I'm really enjoying it even though alot of it is over my head! I'm just hoping to get as knowledgeable as I can to stay in good health.) Have a great day! Marlene ))) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSGreen Drink - was: Re: CSinterupted protocal
We have been working with green juice for about six months now. We have found that the best way to make it is with a good blender, like the Krups unit (about $40 at cooking.com). Start with organic greens - we like spinach, (especially baby spinach) and kale, (especially dinosaur kale), with a bit of basil . Wash carefully and stuff the blender about half full. Cover with purified water (filtered - not from the supermarket) and blend until thoroughly mixed. Diluting with water like this makes it much easier to drink everyday. We try to get two full glasses a day. Also, adding a bit of fresh made almond milk cuts down on the lawnmower taste even more. Still not delicious, but there is no feeling of resistance to the taste. This is important for the long term. This green drink seems to be more balanced for the system long term than carrot juice or fruit juice -- less sugar. We try to consume this green drink twice a day between meals - with grapefruit or canteloupe for breakfast, a large salad for lunch (with at least one avocado each) and a mostly raw dinner. Lots more (balanced) energy magic in life. Lots of nutrients - don't hardly ever look at those vitamin bottles any more ;-) Rex Katie, you are most welcome. I would also feel self pity if I had your problems. But they can be whittled down to size!! The green leaves to use are just about anything. Lettuce of all kinds ( but not just iceberg--too low in nutrients I've heard), the darker green the better, carrot tops, not too much cabbage (gas), dandelion is good ( and cheap if your lawn is like mine--heh heh). Your library may have some books by Norman Walker--he is (was) a very good authority on veg. juices. You can use most anything, but let's face it, too many celery leaves or too much parsley and so on and you can't drink it, so just keep it green and palatable till you can get a book or some more expert advice. Green drink works. Should be taken on an empty stomach if I remember correctly, and wait 30 to 45 minutes before eating anything else. Try to eat nothing except fresh fruit before noon. That helps with energy and cleansing. There are a lot of cheap and easy things that help a lot. Doing just these things will make you feel better and give you a breather till you can get your feet under yourself again. My family and I use a Don Croft zapper with very good effect. It is cheap--59.00 US-- and comes with a battery. Easy to use--just put it in a sock and go about your business. In about a week or week and a half, I became able to work 5 days instead of only 3 or 4 and got rid of so much fatigue. I don't know just how these things operate, but am so grateful for it. I was so very tired all the time I just about couldn't go at all. Now I am fine and enjoy life again. The other zappers seem to work for people too, but that's the only one I have personal experience with. These things I have mentioned will help you and I wish you the very, very best. pj ps, one woman I recommended the zapper to said it didn't help her so she got a refund. It sure works for all of us in fact we got another one for more convenience. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGreen Drink - was: Re: CSinterupted protocal
Thanks for the vote of confidence. Just had my morning drink and realized that I forgot to mention to strain the drink after it comes out of the blender! Use a fine mesh strainer. Yea, good tap water is probably better than store water -- water can leach out the plastic chemicals while sitting in the new plastic jugs. And as for supermarket produce -- sometimes its actually better than what you'll find in a healthfood store. We go by the energy we feel from the greens. If its from the supermarket, we wash extra carefully to get rid of possible spray residues. Store-bought Organic produce often has spray residues too -- it's just organic-certified spray. We try to get everything from local farmers we trust, but of course that's not always possible. BTW, baby spinach leaves are totally different in taste than regular spinach. Rex Katie, Rex knows what he's talking about. I will say that if you don't have filtered water yet, then tap water will work ok ( store bought has solvents in it I read somewhere) till you can do better. And of course organic greens are better, but non-organic will help if you can't get organic. I'm sure spinach is wonderful, but I can't stand a lot of it. I do know from my mother's experience that green drink does wonders. In her early 50' she said she felt better than she did when she was 17. She is now 85 and still getting around. She used mostly lettuces; it was all she had. best wishes pj Rex Doane wrote: We have been working with green juice for about six months now. We have found that the best way to make it is with a good blender, like the Krups unit (about $40 at cooking.com). Start with organic greens - we like spinach, (especially baby spinach) and kale, (especially dinosaur kale), with a bit of basil . Wash carefully and stuff the blender about half full. Cover with purified water (filtered - not from the supermarket) and blend until thoroughly mixed. Diluting with water like this makes it much easier to drink everyday. We try to get two full glasses a day. Also, adding a bit of fresh made almond milk cuts down on the lawnmower taste even more. Still not delicious, but there is no feeling of resistance to the taste. This is important for the long term. This green drink seems to be more balanced for the system long term than carrot juice or fruit juice -- less sugar. We try to consume this green drink twice a day between meals - with grapefruit or canteloupe for breakfast, a large salad for lunch (with at least one avocado each) and a mostly raw dinner. Lots more (balanced) energy magic in life. Lots of nutrients - don't hardly ever look at those vitamin bottles any more ;-) Rex Katie, you are most welcome. I would also feel self pity if I had your problems. But they can be whittled down to size!! The green leaves to use are just about anything. Lettuce of all kinds ( but not just iceberg--too low in nutrients I've heard), the darker green the better, carrot tops, not too much cabbage (gas), dandelion is good ( and cheap if your lawn is like mine--heh heh). Your library may have some books by Norman Walker--he is (was) a very good authority on veg. juices. You can use most anything, but let's face it, too many celery leaves or too much parsley and so on and you can't drink it, so just keep it green and palatable till you can get a book or some more expert advice. Green drink works. Should be taken on an empty stomach if I remember correctly, and wait 30 to 45 minutes before eating anything else. Try to eat nothing except fresh fruit before noon. That helps with energy and cleansing. There are a lot of cheap and easy things that help a lot. Doing just these things will make you feel better and give you a breather till you can get your feet under yourself again. My family and I use a Don Croft zapper with very good effect. It is cheap--59.00 US-- and comes with a battery. Easy to use--just put it in a sock and go about your business. In about a week or week and a half, I became able to work 5 days instead of only 3 or 4 and got rid of so much fatigue. I don't know just how these things operate, but am so grateful for it. I was so very tired all the time I just about couldn't go at all. Now I am fine and enjoy life again. The other zappers seem to work for people too, but that's the only one I have personal experience with. These things I have mentioned will help you and I wish you the very, very best. pj ps, one woman I recommended the zapper to said it didn't help her so she got a refund. It sure works for all of us in fact we got another one for more convenience. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest
CSBentonite - was: Re:Poison Ivy
I mentioned this application of Bentonite for Poison Ivy to my wife -- she related that a friend got lead toxicity from bentonite. Our Naturopath explained that there are many grades of bentonite. He recommended only pharmaceutical grade bentonite, not food grade. I don't know much about the factors involved but I did a search on the terms bentonite and pharmaceutical and got back hundreds of pages. One of them, Southern Clay Products, at http://www.gelwhite.com/phar/index.html shows several different pharmaceutical grade bentonite products: One of them, GELWHITE HNF lists 0.884 ppm lead. They seem to indicate the limit for Pharmaceutical grade is 40 ppm, and the limit for Purified Pharmaceutical Bentonite is 15 ppm. These are CFTA guidelines, whatever that is. I found some info on Dr. Schulze's detox program at http://www.projectenlightenment.com/schulze1.html he lists pharmaceutical grade bentonite as one of the ingredients. Don't have any more info now, but it bears checking out further. Rex a few ideas. In a bath, put four cup of pure bentonite and some baking soda. Bentonite is one of the handiest things to have around. Have used it for many things. I buy a 50-lb bag from well drillers. Be sure to ask for pure bentonite. My brother-in-law puts 4 cups of bentonite and 1/2 bottle of peroxide in a hot bath after a day of crawling under houses fixing pipes. Really helps the aching joints. marmar1...@aol.com wrote: 2 year old is doing better with his cold. Now, 13 year old has come down with another bout of poison ivy! He is one of those who for some reason cannot go near it or he breaks out terribly. He has had it off and on all summer since we moved out to the country. The problem is that even though he knows what it looks like and even though he wears long pants, he still manages to get it. The last bout was awful! All over his body and it drove him nuts. Any chance that anyone has had any good experience with cs and poison ivy??? Thanks. Marlene ))) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme
I designed and built some of the first magnetic resonance units. Its not really a fast rise time magnetic pulse. You start with a strong DC magnetic field just to provide a stable environment -- the effect is the same in the earth's magnetic field. You hit the molecules (we used water) with an radio frequency pulse (27 mHz). Its not fast rise time, but it was synchronized so that a burst of r.f. just started right up at the beginning of an r.f. cycle (tricky to do 40 years ago!). This r.f. frequency was chosen to be the same as the rate of the electron spin in that magnetic field. When the frequency is exactly the same as the spin rate, there is a transfer of energy to the electron(s) and it (they) flip over. Meanwhile, you have quickly turned off the r.f. field and turned on a receiver that is listening to the same coil. It will pick up the tiny burst of r.f. energy that is given of as the electron flips. The intensity and timing of the energy returned gives an indication of the local energy fields that the electrons in question are being influenced by. These can be interpreted to determine the atomic structure (that kept a lot of people busy for a long time!) At any rate, I don't think there is much of a correlation with the effects of the magnetic pulser operation. Rex Magnetic resonance uses a fast rise time magnetic pulse to kick all the molecules which then ring at their own characteristic frequency in a strong DC magnetic field. It is like plucking the string of a guitar. The fast rise time is the pluck, the string tension is the DC magnetic field, and the system then analyses the note that comes back and where it came from. Marshall Ivan Anderson wrote: Hi Rob I'm not sure that the two can really be compared. I don't know much about NMR, but it is the extremely fast rise time of the magnetic pulse of the Magnetic Pulser which causes a current to flow in the tissues and in pathogenic cells, and it is this current that has the beneficial effect. Magnetic resonance sounds like a continuous wave of various frequencies, which would not induce such a high current. Could be all wrong about the last bit... but it sounds good. Ivan. - Original Message - From: rob gr gotl...@hotmail.com Was looking at Magnetic Pulser information at: http://216.60.190.54/biology/thumind.htm It says Subjects will feel no physical sensations except for light thumps during this phase of treatment. Exposure levels are considered safe because intensity of this magnetic pulser is much lower than Magnetic Nuclear Resonance Imaging in routine use on tens of thousands of patients. ... I have had two MRI's. So should not I be cured of LYME? Rob in memphis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT- Distilled water
There's an easy way to make Distilled Water SAFE to drink -- toss a organic dried apricot in it!! Then you have water loaded with minerals, and energy from a live fruit. And maybe even homoepathic apricot! Alternatively, use some form of sea salts or natural mineral mix. Since the water is so thoroughly processed, it would probably be a good idea to structure it with a magenetic or a Grander pen http://www.granderwater.com/ Rex Thanks for your information. It sound well founded, however, there seems to be mounting evidence from quite a few sources, that don't appear to have any financial incentives, to indicate that distilled water is not the best thing to drink over a long period of time. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbaby shots and cs
Our son had a reaction to his first measles vaccine shot, but we didn't make the connection. A few years later, when we were convinced that he had severe problems, we took him to a homeopath. The doctor (a former MD) took one look at him and asked if he had had measles vaccine! Glassy eyes were a giveaway -- elevated temperature, crankiness, etc. confirmed it. The doctor fixed it quickly. This was 25 years ago -- we've raised two kids without the help of toxic vaccines. I don't see how silver could help at this point, but homeopaths do have antidotes for all of the vaccines. There is a lot of info on the net questioning the safety and even the purpose of vaccines. Rex Does anyone know about giving cs to a 8 mo. old baby. ever since he got his baby shots (which he got late because he had pneumonia a highly contagious form) he has not felt or looked himself. He screams alot and looks tired all the time. I am worried because I do not trust what is in the shots and yet I am not sure we can give the baby CS. Please does someone have an answer for me? Thanks Mary -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: cs prostate?
I have found herbal remedies for this created by Dr. Schulze, listed at http://www.healthfree.com/schulze/index.html to be very effective -- like overnight! He has specific remedies plus a full detox program. His Male Energy formula has interesting libidinous side effects ;-). There is some interesting background on his approach in a page titled Why Most Herbal Formulas Don't Work! at http://www.healthfree.com/schulze/crusade/messagesch.htm Another interesting link relating to this and the use of antibiotics is the oddly named site How you rot and rust at http://biomedx.com/microscopes/rrintro/rrintro.html They explain the other side of the germ theory debate. Rex - Original Message - From: Katarina Wittich kato...@mindspring.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 11:14 AM Subject: Re: cs prostate? Hi Guys, does anyone have stories about use of cs for prostate infection? My husband has just been told he's got a prostate infection and they want to put him on antibiotics - don't know which ones yet. He's also had this wierd thing with declining white blood cell, hemoglobin and platelet counts for the last year - and they can't figure out why. He tests positive for past EBV and CMV infections but no one knows why it is doing it now. I've had him on 4 ounces daily of my homemade probably around 5-7 ppm cs for the last few days anyhow since he hasn't been feeling great - asthma and phlegm and coughing. any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Katarina Ps - taking saw palmetto and zinc and efa already -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSSprains, anyone?
Does anyone have a natural, effective, fast remedy for a sprained ankle? My wife stepped in a rabbit hole. We've done the RICE (rest, ice, compression, elevation) thing, and I mixed up a paste of MSM and CS, which seems to have had some effect. Any suggestions? We had the same problem a few weeks ago and my wife had the idea to rub Colustrum on her ankle. The pain was gone in a few minutes and she walked over a mile the next day. Check out: http://www.immunetree.com/ That's where we got ours -- Your local health stores may have a different brand. Immunetree claims some advantages, but we've never tested any other to compare. Rex -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: New experiment and observations...Comments solicited!
A higher power op-amp circuit would do this same thing. I've never used your H-Bridge configuration. An op amp that can handle + - 40 volts or so at 100 ma or so would handle this easily, but you could use a standard op amp at hooked up at +/- 15 volts or so feeding a pair of output buffer transistors that are hooked up to a higher voltage. This is a standard audio power amp configuration. The only difference is that you are working at essentially D.C. voltages, which makes it a lot easier. Is this enough info to get you started?? Rex -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSOff Topic/soy/sesame seeds/nutrition questions
Katarina I read this about soy also. We found a similar effect when researching a book that we are just finishing up about making milk using sprouted almonds (coming soon to a website near you :-). Almonds have an enzyme inhibitor which is what keeps them dormant for years and years. When eaten raw, this will neutralize some of your own enzymes. BUT...when you soak the almonds overnight, this enzyme inhibitor is converted to enzymes! That's a lot of why sprouts are so good for you. Sprouted almond milk shakes are absolutely delicious and very energizing. (and low fat, despite rumors to the contrary) This enzyme inhibitor effect is also cancelled out when the almonds are cooked. But that destroys the enzymes along with the enzyme inhibitors. According to the source, the other alternative is to eat some digestive enzyme tablets along with the soy. I'm not positive if we are looking at the same effect in soy and sesame seeds, but it seems reasonable. Almond milk smoothies for breakfast, along with a few kelp tablets and, during the day, a couple glasses of fresh organic fruit and vegetable juice feels like it provides all of the nutrients I need. I also take Colustrum, which I suspect may good for treating Candida - see http://www.immunetree.com/ And some form of oxygen therapy, such as Homozon, may help -- check out - http://www.oxytherapy.com/ They have a mail list too - Subscription Info- http://www.oxytherapy.com/mail-list.html Mail Archive Index - http://www.oxytherapy.com/mailing-archive.html Files Index - http://www.oxytherapy.com/files.html FAQ's- http://www.oxytherapy.com/faq.html Rex Hi Listers, since so many of you are so knowledgeable about nutrition, I wonder if anyone can answer these questions. Someone just told me that unfermented soy is bad for you because it contains tripsen (sp) inhibitors which create incomplete digestion of proteins and negatively affects the bodys use of calcium, zinc and iron and also that it harms your thyroid. She said that supposedly the only healthful kinds of soy are tempeh and miso and soy sauce. This concerns me because I don't eat dairy and thus often eat tofu or use soy milk in things. Any feedback? Another question I had was on the sesame seed issue of oxalates (sp?) in hulled sesame seeds. What are they and in what way are they bad for you? I like the idea of using sesame seeds as a calcium source so I've been making a morning shake with flax seeds, flax oil, hulled sesame seeds, soy yoghurt and fruit. Any ideas on how much sesame seeds is good and whether it would harm them to be roasted and whether hulled or unhulled is good would be helpful. And then, at the recommendtion of someone on the list I read Fit for life about food combining and found out that according to the theories of food combining fruit and protein is bad for you. I've gotten to this place of tremendous frustration because every time I find out one interesting thing, I find something else to contradict or confuse it. So -- I liked the idea of flax seed oil and cottage cheese, but I believe the studies which show that dairy promotes osteoporosis so I don't eat it. So I combine the flax oil with soy yoghurt or tofu and hope it has the same effect. But now maybe soy yoghurt and tofu are bad for you - or maybe they are fermented enough to be okay. And I love making morning shakes, but fit for life says fruit only in the mornings and without anything else. However, trying that for even a few days made my candida very happy and me miserable. So I'd like to stick with the shakes. One thought was to make them with just oranges and banana and sesame and flax but no soy. Does anyone know if seeds are allright to combine with fruit? And I sometimes take MSM -- does anyone know if since Johanna Budwigs flax oil theories have to do with combining flaxoil and protein and sulfur -- would I get enough protein from the flax and sesame and enough sulfur from msm to activate the flax oil? Sorry if this is very off topic, but I think you guys are the best people I know to ask. Thanks again, Katarina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSOff Topic/soy/sesame seeds/nutrition questions
thanks so much for the wonderful information and I intend to make myself a sprouted almond shake tommorow. So you think that soaking the sesame seeds overnight might also be a good idea? How about flax seeds? I don't really know. I don't even know if they sprout. Sprouting is different in different seeds. Alfalfa sprouts take several days and aren't ready till they grow tails and everything - they are also rather bitter. Almonds sprout overnight - the only visible effect is that they swell a bit. And they are sweeter that unsprouted. I'm not sure how tofu and soy milk are made -- aren't they cooked? which would kill both enzymes and enzyme inhibitor? A quote from http://ocean.st.usm.edu/~yfchen/tofu-made.htm 1. First, raw Tofu Soybeans are soaked in water overnight then drained. The beans are then ground as a small quantity of boiling water is being poured over them. Then the mash is spooned into boiling water, like dumplings, and allowed to boil gently for about 10 minutes. This stage of the process is crucial as a certain enzyme in the bean is broken down during this time. If the enzyme is not destroyed, the Soy protein is not digestable by humans. 2. The resulting slurry is filtered. The liquid is Soy Milk, and the pulp is good for mixing with flour to make bread or for feeding to the Pigs, or as a last resort, fertilizer This would imply that the fear of enzyme problems caused by tofu soy milk is misinformation. On the other hand, sprouting almonds to convert enzyme inhibitors gives you all the benefits of enzymes. Thanks again for that and the other info on candida Take care, Katarina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: Hanna TDS Meter
The $14.90 Total Dissolved Solids Meter mentioned is at http://www.hannainst.com/products/promo/usa/usaprmo.htm This is a real bargain! Housed in a pocket sized ABS case, this electronic Total Dissolved Solids tester is very durable. It is the ideal meter for fish farming, agriculture, plating and water purification applications. TDS 1 is supplied complete with protective cap, calibration screwdriver and 4 x 1.4V batteries. Wide Measurement Range: TDS1 = 1 to 999 ppm Excellent Accuracy + 2% Full Scale Long Battery Life more than 1000 measurements One-Point Calibration ATC (I think ATC means Automatic Temperature Calibration) Hanna is a major instrumentation manufacturer. You would have to go to a Conductivity Meter for more accuracy - they list a model HI 9033 with 4-Ring Technology Full Range in a Portable Handy Model $369.99 which is reasonable enough. They also have a $29.90 ph probe/meter! Rex -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSHostilities, OT stuff, options...
I do not know what exactly triggered the hostilities directed at Trem Williams. He's been very cautious in his dealings with my limitations on commercial activity, asking for approval for posting certain information or statements several times since coming aboard. If any of the participants would please explain to me, in private e-mail, the source of their feelings, I would appreciate it. I am trying not to play favorites. So if there is anything I have done or not done that should be discussed, I want to know about it, please. I tried to send this to M.G. Devour at mdev...@mail.id.net but got an error message saying that this address was not deliverable (error 550 - Domain has no MX or ANAME record) so I will send this to the list. === I'm afraid I began the Trem-bashing I certainly did not mean to start any sort of personal attack. Trem shared his research findings that current regulation may well be essential for proper CS production, which makes good sense, pending some actual lab measurements. But then he added: Yes, current limiting does work and quite well. We have a current regulator in our generators which hold the current at 1 milliampere throughout the whole operating time. The end product is always the same: uniform small particle size and little or no fallout. I would post the circuit for the members but after all we are in business to sell generators, not to give our proprietary circuit away. === I responded --- What is proprietary about a current regulator? This has been a standard electronic circuit for over 30 years (older than that in the tube version). National Semiconductor came out with an integrated circuit version in the 70's, I believe, the LM334 -- the data sheet is available at http://www.national.com/ds/LM/LM134.pdf (The LM334 is the cheap commercial version of the LM134). It costs about a dollar. It has 3 terminals V+ V- and R. It's been years since I actually used one, but as I read the data sheet, the V+ goes to the Plus terminal of the battery, the V- terminal will go to the silver electrode and the other electrode goes to the Minus terminal of the battery. The current setting resistor is connected between V+ and R -- . It looks like a 68 ohm resistor will set the current to a steady 1 milliamp with a battery range of about 3 volts to 40 volts. Or am I missing something? I tried to keep this a level-headed response, but this was apparently seen otherwise. I have designed circuits of this type for 30 years, and as far as I know, current regulators are standard text book circuits. I just wanted to point this out and I asked to be corrected if there really was anything unique. The next response was What I said was, I wasn't interested in showing OUR circuit, which IS proprietary. Of course there are many current regulator designs out there. Some are quite complicated; some aren't. Ours just works quite well at holding low current levels with very little temperature drift and undue complexity. We use discrete components; i.e. transistors, diodes, resistors. Anyone is free to use whatever they think they can assemble. We just design and assemble colloid generators for others and charge them for our expertise and labor and make a profit at the same time. No problem with that as far as I can see. Good luck on your home electronic project. I meant to respond privately but inadvertantly sent this to the list: What you implied was that you are doing something that nobody else can. That the non-technical person better buy from the expert. Your systems seem fine and reasonably priced. But why pretend that you have a big secret. What I said was, I wasn't interested in showing OUR circuit, which IS proprietary. Of course there are many current regulator designs out there. Some are quite complicated; some aren't. Ours just works quite well at holding low current levels with very little temperature drift and undue complexity. We use discrete components; i.e. transistors, diodes, resistors. Anyone is free to use whatever they think they can assemble. We just design and assemble colloid generators for others and charge them for our expertise and labor and make a profit at the same time. No problem with that as far as I can see. This implies that discrete components have some superiority over I.C.s. Sorry but in this application it ain't so. I would agree for an audio application where there many complex factors involved, but we are talking simple direct current here. Good luck on your home electronic project. This is a rather patronizing statement. The current regulator component is built by a leading semiconductor company and has been used in thousands of professional products for decades. We are talking about a power source, a current regulator, and wires. Not exactly complex and it does NOT require expertise, just enough skill to know which end of a soldering
CSRe: Current regulator
What you implied was that you are doing something that nobody else can. That the non-technical person better buy from the expert. Your systems seem fine and reasonably priced. But why pretend that you have a big secret. What I said was, I wasn't interested in showing OUR circuit, which IS proprietary. Of course there are many current regulator designs out there. Some are quite complicated; some aren't. Ours just works quite well at holding low current levels with very little temperature drift and undue complexity. We use discrete components; i.e. transistors, diodes, resistors. Anyone is free to use whatever they think they can assemble. We just design and assemble colloid generators for others and charge them for our expertise and labor and make a profit at the same time. No problem with that as far as I can see. This implies that discrete components have some superiority over I.C.s. Sorry but in this application it ain't so. I would agree for an audio application where there many complex factors involved, but we are talking simple direct current here. Good luck on your home electronic project. This is a rather patronizing statement. The current regulator component is built by a leading semiconductor company and has been used in thousands of professional products for decades. We are talking about a power source, a current regulator, and wires. Not exactly complex and it does NOT require expertise, just enough skill to know which end of a soldering iron gets hot. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: cs from tap water limiting current flow
What is proprietary about a current regulator? This has been a standard electronic circuit for over 30 years (older than that in the tube version). National Semiconductor came out with an integrated circuit version in the 70's, I believe, the LM334 -- the data sheet is available at http://www.national.com/ds/LM/LM134.pdf (The LM334 is the cheap commercial version of the LM134). It costs about a dollar. It has 3 terminals V+ V- and R. It's been years since I actually used one, but as I read the data sheet, the V+ goes to the Plus terminal of the battery, the V- terminal will go to the silver electrode and the other electrode goes to the Minus terminal of the battery. The current setting resistor is connected between V+ and R -- . It looks like a 68 ohm resistor will set the current to a steady 1 milliamp with a battery range of about 3 volts to 40 volts. Or am I missing something? Rex Yes, current limiting does work and quite well. We have a current regulator in our generators which hold the current at 1 milliampere throughout the whole operating time. The end product is always the same: uniform small particle size and little or no fallout. I would post the circuit for the members but after all we are in business to sell generators, not to give our proprietary circuit away. One way to control current is to place a variable resistor and milliammeter in series with one electrode and adjust the resistor to maintain the current as desired. This will take a lot of effort on your part as the current is always changing as silver is being deposited in the water. It is much better to use an automatic regulator. Guesswork and your constant time spent watching a meter are eliminated. DO NOT use tap water. It can contain minerals which will react with the silver to form chlorides. All you want at the end of the operation is colloidal silver particles in the water. If you want minerals, take them separately. Some silver salts can be detrimental to you. Surely you can afford a dollar for a gallon of distilled water in the supermarket. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: herb321...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 31, 1999 10:51 AM Subject: Re: cs from tap water limiting current flow Mike wrote Perhaps if we limited the current to a few milliamps like we do on some of our current rigs the particle size would improve? Might be an answer to the tapwater question. Anybody wanna try an experiment? Be well, Mike There has been a some postings about limiting current flow to get smaller particles in the past. Experience has shown me that even as little as 27VDC does produce larger particles, when using non distilled water of any kind. But voltage doesn't cause it, current flow it the problem. Would limiting the voltage, say to 12VDC, reduce current flow? Would it be best to start with 27VDC and then reduce the voltage as current flow begins to increase, like you can do with a light bulb to increase and decrease the brightness? If I remember correctly there was some postings on monitoring the process until it reached a set milliamps. What if we could control the current flow at an optimal level? Would we be able to produce small particle high PPM batches even with LVDC units? (Was I the one that said we were making things to complicated?) :-) Still I think Mike has an exciting idea. To bad I don't know much about electricity. I too would like to see a discussion on this limiting current in relation to how it can be done on the simple low voltage units. Once a person knows how to limit current it should work equally well with distilled or non distilled water. Then, of course, will come the questions of how much current limiting should be done, as we seek the optimal levels, and the time increase for making a batch. But that is the cost of progress and, in my view, one of the reasons for this list. Sadly, as Mike has said, we have lost many of our high tech members, but I think there are enough minds still on to tackle this. Larry -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: cs
I asked the people at http://www.health2us.com/colloid.htm why they felt a digital conductivity meter was necessary. They said that the most important variable to control is the purity of the original water. They didn't elaborate, but I assume it is to avoid the creation of strange chemical compounds, including silver chloride and silver nitrate. If you do a search on solar water distillers you'll find a lot of plans for moderate cost units. One unit at http://forums.cosmoaccess.net/forum/survival/prep/sstill.htm describes the process -- Solar Stills operate on the same principles that produce rainfall. The sun is allowed into and trapped in the Still. The high temperatures produced destroy all pathogens. The water evaporates, and in this process, only pure water vapor rises in the Still, only to condense on the glass. The glass is sloped to the south, and the condensed water runs down the glass and is collected in a trough. The water is allowed out of the collector through silicone tubing, and is collected in 5 gallon glass jugs. There are no moving parts in the solar still, and only the sun's energy is required for operation. Of course, in addition to providing a base for making CS, a solar still provides clean, purified drinking water. They estimate that 8 square feet of glass will produce one gallon a day. The trick is to do this with materials available locally. I recall seeing simpler units a few years ago -- Peace Corps other organizations should have plans. A solar distiller could also provide water for other purposes, and even create a business making distillers for local use. - Original Message - From: Daniel and Karen Croom Hi everyone, I got interested in cs because I heard it purifies water, so I wanted to give some generators to some missionaries I know. I've gotten sidetracked with all the different procedures and opinions on the making of cs, but now am asking for help with my original questions. In Africa, my friends don't have access to distilled water or electricity (that's why I'm sending battery generators.) So how would you purify regular water? Has anyone actually had bad water tested after being treated with cs? Thanks, Karen -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
