RE: CS>water ionizers, revisited

[Steve Young]

Nenah,

 

The electrodes I use in my DIY water ionizer, and in good commercial
ionizers, are titanium coated with Platinum (not Palladium).  You can find
them on Amazon, for example, by searching for Platinized Titanium Anodes.
They are expensive but necessary to be non-reactive in the electrolytic
process.  

 

By the way, research in the last few years now shows the beneficial benefit
of water ionizers is NOT that they make the water more alkaline.  It IS
because they  infuse (dissolve) Hydrogen into the water.  Asian countries
are ahead of the US in producing efficient Hydrogen Infusion Machines (HIM),
and there are now some commercial ones on the market, but they are
expensive.  The good ionizers also use what is called a Proton Exchange
Membrane (also used in fuel cells) to ensure only Hydrogen gets infused into
the water.  The resulting product has a pH of about 7, the same as untreated
water.  The concentration of Hydrogen in water is quite low - on the order
of 1 PPM, and the Hydrogen dissipates out of the water fairly quickly
(hours), so the product needs to be drunk soon after it is made.  

 

The best web site I have found to explain the health benefits of Hydrogen
Infused Water is  
http://www.molecularhydrogenfoundation.org/  .  Another good site is
 http://h2healthyliving.com/ .  

 

Steve

 

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On Behalf Of Nenah Sylver
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:13 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>water ionizers, revisited

 

To all the smart and clever people on this list:

 

I remember a discussion of water ionizers on this egroup and figured you
would know the answer to my questions. Several years ago I bought a water
ionizer unit (the "Athena"), which malfunctioned a couple of times. After
dealing with a corrupt, inept, greedy company-whose inferior packing in fact
contributed to breakage on at least one occasion-I convinced my
great-with-tools-and-building-things significant other that as long as we
had a unit in our possession that couldn't be used in its current state, he
might as well open it up and see about fixing it himself. 

 

So he went onto You Tube and watched a few videos on how to create a water
ionizer, and is now in the process of trying to repair it.

 

My question concerns the material comprising the electrodes. Obviously,
stainless steel is not a good material for water ionizer electrodes, because
we don't want heavy metal to contaminate the water. The best homemade
ionizers (and I'm assuming commercially manufactured ones too) use
electrodes made of titanium.

 

Some sellers of JUST the electrodes coat the titanium electrodes with
palladium, claiming that the palladium is inert and will prevent the
titanium from tarnishing (and thus releasing metallic ions into the water).
However, after doing some research on titanium, I discovered that besides
being the 9th most abundant mineral in the Earth's crust, titanium is made
into airplanes because comparatively speaking it's not very heavy and
DOESN'T RUST. So, is it necessary to use a palladium-covered set of titanium
rods for electrodes?

 

This may be a moot point for me now. Either my unit will be repaired, or
we'll use its electrodes in a homemade unit. However, I still wonder about
the materials used for water ionizer electrodes.

 

I appreciate your input. Thanks in advance.

 

Nenah

 

Nenah Sylver, PhD

author, The Rife Handbook

of Frequency Therapy and Holistic Health

healing from cancer and other diseases 

with non-invasive, effective technology

suppressed by the medical cartel until recently

  www.nenahsylver.com

 

 

 

 



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CS>Hydrogen Enriched Water (off topic)

[Steve Young]

In the last few years, medical research has discovered the health benefits of 
drinking water which has been enriched with molecular hydrogen gas “dissolved” 
into it.  See this excellent website:  
http://www.molecularhydrogenfoundation.org/ .  Recently, consumer products to 
make “hydrogen water” have begun to be available.  For example, see some of 
them by searching www.amazon.com for “hydrogen water generator”.



The generators of interest to us work roughly the same as colloidal silver 
generators.  That is, they use electrolysis.  CS generators produce silver ions 
and colloids from the pure silver electrodes.  The electrolyte is purified 
water.



But hydrogen enrichment generators go to great lengths to prevent their 
electrodes from being part of the electrolysis process.  Typically they are 
made of titanium coated with platinum.  The electrolyte is typically filtered 
tap water.  And the current flow between the electrodes is considerably higher 
than in a CS generator.  The desired product is hydrogen gas which bubbles up 
from the negative electrode.  (The oxygen coming from the positive electrode is 
not used).  Some generators use a special permeable membrane to keep the 
hydrogen and oxygen enriched water from mixing together.  The end product 
usually is only 0.3 to 1.2 ppm of hydrogen.



I would like to hear from any of you that regularly drink hydrogen enriched 
water.  What health benefits have you noticed?What generator do you use?  
Have any of you built your own hydrogen water generators?As this is 
off-topic, replies should be sent directly to me.  (Currently I am 
experimenting with version 3 of a DIY hydrogen water generator.)



youngs...@digis.net



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CS>Copper vs Silver Colloid Production

[Steve Young]

Dear list scientists,



Please help me understand my observed differences in brewing colloidal silver 
vs colloidal copper.



My generator uses a constant current of about 300 microamps, polarity switched 
about every 20 minutes.  Because of the long time it takes to brew a batch, 
stirring is not needed because polarity switching and natural (Brownian) 
particle movement provide adequate particle disbursement.  The electrodes are 
#12 round wire, 5.5 inches long spaced about 2 inches.  I use a quart of steam 
distilled water.



For colloidal silver, the brew time is about 24 hours.  At the end of the brew, 
the voltage across the electrodes is about 2.5 volts.  Tyndall effect is normal.



To brew colloidal copper, I used copper wire instead of silver, with all else 
being the same.  At the end of 24 hours, the Tyndall was barely noticeable.  So 
I let it brew another 24 hours.  At this time, the Tyndall effect was more 
noticeable, but fainter than for the CS brew, meaning either there were less 
particles, and/or they were smaller than the silver particles.  The voltage 
across the electrodes was about 7.2 volts, meaning the ionic conductivity was 
about 3 times lower than the silver brew.



My question:  Why the substantial difference in brew characteristics vs time?  
What chemically is different about the two electrolyses?



--Steve







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CS>Please stop ruining the CS list!

[Steve Young]

List contributers,

It seems this valuable list for information about Colloidal Silver and RELATED 
topics is rapidly degrading, which is unfortunate.  There is much to learn, 
experiment and report about CS, the primary topic for this list.

Tonight I sampled 295 recent entries to the list to see what percentage even 
mentioned CS.  The result was dismal - only 8.5% even mentioned CS, silver, or 
electrolysing water!!

Moderator Mike Devour has asked to keep the list submissions on topic.  I am 
surprised he allows so much non-topic stuff on his list.

A lot of the messages are personal from one person to another, and really 
should have been sent directly to the individual instead of to the list.

I fear the serious researchers and users of CS will be driven off the list 
because of the 90 plus percent of off-topics.  It is too time consuming to wade 
through all the OT stuff which is not supposed to be on the list in the first 
place. 

Please, I know many of you have much to offer on a variety of topics, but can't 
you find another forum to discuss your urine drinking, word spellings, 
politics, garlic, coQ10, etc.?  If there really is no other list, then why 
don't one of you start one?  I am sure Mike Devour could give you ideas on how 
to start your own list.. 

Zappers and their cousins are also discussed a lot on this list.  This is an 
interesting topic for much research and discussion.  Perhaps this list could be 
expanded to include various forms of electrically derived treatments and 
preventatives suitable for home use.  This would widen the scope a bit, but it 
would still be fairly focused on CS and zapper-like devices.

I am grateful Mike owns and moderates this list.  It must be a time consuming 
task.  Again, please respect his request to keep the list on the topic for 
which it was created - CS.  100% on topic is not realistic, but 70% or so 
should be achievable if we all cooperate.  

--Steve Young  


  

CS Strength

[Steve Young]

To the list CS experts:

I would like your opinion on the approximate PPM for the following CS:

Started with 1.1 uS distilled water as measured by Hanna PWT (model HI 98308)

Constant current of 1.0 Ma. DC throughout the entire run.

Starting voltage to the electrodes  = 150 VDC

Ending voltage after 3 1/3 hours = 8 VDC.  This would be a resistance of 8K.

Ending uS of 19.1 after sitting for a day so agglomeration effects would settle 
down

Constant stirring at 30 RPM

Faint TE which can only be seen in a dark room, so I believe the particles are 
quite small

Electrodes are both #12 silver wire spaced 1.75 inch and immersed 3.75 inches

So, ladies and gentlemen, about what strength CS have I made?  What is the 
basis for your estimate?

Thanks for your help,

--Steve Young  

  


  

CS>Psoriases & CS

[Steve Young]

Hi,

I have a friend with Psoriases and wondered if any of you have experience using 
CS, or any other treatment, which helps this condition.  My medical guide says 
basically it is too many new skin cells being created - much more than enough 
to replace the dead ones.  I don't see how CS (or zappers or whatever) could 
help this condition, but would love to hear otherwise.

Thanks,
--Steve
  

CS>Baldness

[Steve Young]

A month or two ago, I believe someone posted a claim that CS had a positive 
effect on reducing or reversing baldness.  Was that for real??  Has anyone had 
actual good results?  If so, are we talking external (soak a rag in CS and plop 
it on the bald area?  Mix it with aloe vera and goop it on?), internal, or both?

If it is for real, then what mechanism is regenerating hair growth?  Sounds too 
good to be true . . .

--Steve 
  

CS>Ozone vs negative ions, CS for acne

[Steve Young]

Ivan,

Your statement of "near rivers and waterfalls" makes me wonder if you are
confusing negative air ions and ozone.  I know the negative ion levels are
higher outside, especially near waterfalls, and the effect is supposed to be
healthful.  The Russians reportedly use a lot of negative ion generators in
commercial air conditioning installations, supposedly with good effects.  I
can't imagine how a waterfall can produce ozone - what would be the
mechanism?

Let's see, to stay on topic, I have to add a CS statement I suppose.  Some
friends say using CS topically on the face of their teenagers has
dramatically reduced acne, and works much better than the special $50 goop
they bought.
--Steve

- Original Message -
From: Ivan Anderson 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: CS>an air circulating CS invention anyone?


> Hi Pam,
>
> Ozone is ozone and is irritating to mucus membranes at high
> concentrations. The smell is not a consistent measurement device.
>
> Ozone is not toxic per se, but produces toxic compounds when it reacts
> with pollution. The typical home has less ozone present than will be
> found in the countryside especially near rivers and waterfalls. The
> concentration at these places is healthful, and tests have been
> undertaken which prove that the generation of small amounts of ozone
> into the air lessens the illness rate of children at school.



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CS for Fibromyalgia?

[Steve Young]

Perhaps this is a bit off topic.  My wife suffers from fibromyalgia and has not 
found much to relieve the pain except deep muscle massage.  Since it is 
allegedly a connective tissue problem, I don't see how CS would have much 
positive effect. She takes CS when she has a cold or flu, etc., but not 
regularly to try to deal with the fibromyalgia.   Anyone have experience 
getting relief using CS?

So, since many of you have wide ranging experience with other cures, any 
suggestions on methods to reduce or cure the effects of fibromyalgia would be 
greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
--Steve
  

Re: CS>Silver compounds

[Steve Young]

Hi list,

Allison's Apothecary web page has an interesting article/opinion about the
non-toxic character of Silver Chloride.   See
http://apothecary.hypermart.net/saline_question.htm  I viewed it in January,
so I don't know if it is still on the webpage.  Basically, a poison control
center said pure silver chloride is not harmful, but can act as a mild
irritant.  So the small amount formed in making CS is most likely harmless.

--Steve


- Original Message -
From: Ivan Anderson 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Silver compounds


>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Terry Wayne" 
>
> > To the more research-oriented listers,
> > I have noticed that one of the assumptions all our
> > discussion seems to accept is that, if CS is made
> > with, say, spring water, the silver may form compounds
> > with the other substances in the water.
>
> Yes.
>
> > Now, I can accept that silver-chloride might form with
> > the chlorine in city water, but when I think of it, do
> > we have any hard info or research to substantiate our
> > caution regarding this and other compounds? Who says
> > silver-chloride is toxic?
>
> Silver chloride is no more toxic than silver alone, I suspect, but
> silver chloride colloids are not very stable and are photosensitive.
> There are toxic compounds of silver.
>
> > Has anyone demonstrated that
> > these compounds actually do form when making CS? It
> > seems simple enough; make CS in spring or river water,
> > test for the presence of silver-? compounds. Are these
> > compounds not detectable?
>
> Certainly detectable...await your results with interest ;-)
>
> > We believe that the spring water of 100 years ago had
> > more minerals in it, including silver (the soil had
> > more minerals in it); why would we not fear silver
> > compounds in that water?
>
> I should think that spring water has the same minerals and compounds it
> always had, plus more, in the shape of polution.
> When one uses an electric current to produce silver ions in spring
> water, not only are you creating a higher than normal concentration of
> silver, but other impurities in this water will also react with the
> electrodes creating compounds that were not there before. The silver
> ions are also avaliable for reaction and may liberate otherwise bound
> toxic minerals. Who knows what will be produced...it depends on what is
> in the water and no two waters would be alike.
> This may be acceptable in the short term, but for long term use? Why
> risk it eyes wide shut, eyes wide open is my choice.
>
> > A CS maker is believed to be an excellant water
> > purifier - take the suspected water, dip two silver
> > wires in it and apply the voltage; kills the bacteria
>
> Not a purifier, a disinfective.
> Adding small amounts of CS would be at least as effective.
>
> > - but wouldn't that be essentially making CS out of
> > spring or river water? So now - according to this
> > reasoning - the bacteria are dead, but I'm poisoning
> > myself with toxic silver compounds.
>
> So... don't do it!
>
> > Comments, anyone?
> > Terry Wayne
>
> Cheers
> Ivan
>
>
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CS>Who will Measure PPM?

[Steve Young]

Hi list,

Just wondering who has the equipment and is willing to measure samples of CS 
(no additives) for PPM, and what would be the charge for the service?  I am 
talking about a real measure of PPM, not uS x fudge factor = PPM.  I know Bruce 
Marx will do it for $25 a sample.  Who does it at a more reasonable cost?  What 
quantity would be needed for the test?

By the way, does someone know the Alt### code which can be used to print the 
"micro" symbol instead of "u"?


--Steve Young  
  

Re: CS>Making CS

[Steve Young]

Terry,

I, and no doubt other silver-listers, would be interested in more details on
your HVDC method of generating CS.   I use what I suppose one would call
medium voltage DC (a few hundred volts) at a constant low current.  But
after a few minutes, as the conductivity of the CS goes up, most of the
generation cycle is below 50 volts, i.e. LVDC.  I have not heard of others
using HVDC.

Are you using many thousands of volts DC?  If so, please explain your
setup - is it like a Bruce Marx arrangement?  Are you using filtered HVDC,
or just rectifiers without filter caps?  Etc.  Please share how you do it
with us.

Thanks,

Steve Young

- Original Message -
From: Terry Wayne 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 10:09 AM
Subject: CS>Making CS


> Listers,
>
> When producing CS, I haven't figured out why to use
> batteries, apart from portability. Why not use one or
> two 12-volt adapters? They never run down like
> batteries, and they don't get weaker as time goes by.
> Where I live, I can buy a new 12-volt adapter for $10.
> It costs me that much or more for 3 quality 9-volt
> batteries. (The cheap ones don't last long at all.) I
> see them repeatedly at yard sales and Goodwill-type
> stores very economically priced.
>
> Before I switched to HVDC I used sets of 2 or 3
> adapters (12 - 36 volts) on a daily basis. The quality
> of the CS batches frequently varied (determined by
> color and turbidity), but the efficacy of the CS
> seemed constant.
>
> Regarding Professor Gibbs: Did he test HVDC? I am
> unaware of anyone else besides myself who is using
> HVDC to produce CS on a commercial quantity basis. I
> would very much like to see the results of testing on
> HVDC. How does it compare to HVAC? LVDC?
>
> Terry Wayne
>
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CS>Stirring Motors

[Steve Young]

Hi list,

For those looking for suitable motors to stir their CS during its production, 
here are a couple of sources:

Both have the same 110 volt 60 Hz AC motor which rotates at 30 RPM.  It is a 
timing-style motor, originally designed for use in microwave ovens, measuring 2 
inch diameter by about 0.8 inch thick.  The output shaft is 0.16 inch square 
about 0.27 inch long.  Price is about $2.50.  These should work better than the 
small DC motors which run at hundreds to thousands of RPM.  Stirring should be 
gentle so as to not dislodge "sludge" from the electrodes.

All Electronics:  www.allelectronics.com Part No. ACM-105  They are in 
California
Marlin P. Jones:  www.mpja.com Part No. 12277-MA  They are in Florida

You can order from both places on-line.

--Steve

CS>Polarity Switching & Stirring

[Steve Young]

Hi list,

I did some experiments with DC polarity switching which are interesting.  I use 
a constant current supply  of 1.67 ma into #12 silver electrodes 3.9" of 
weatted length spaced 1.25 inches apart.  "Brewing" time is two hours starting 
with 1.6 uS DW, no additives.  I can start drawing 1.67 ma immediately as the 
generator can keep a constant current up to several hundred volts.  Typical 
starting voltage is about 140, which drops over the two hours to around 12 
volts or so as the conductivity increases.

The control batch (no polarity switching) ended up measuring 16.2 uS.
Switching polarity every 17 seconds produced 7.8 uS.
Likewise, switching polarity every minute produced 7.8 uS.

The polarity switching does indeed keep electrode sludge buildup low, but at a 
cost of reducing the strength by about 48% for a given run time.

Question - why the dramatic reduction in strength from polarity switching, when 
all other conditions are the same?

It is interesting to monitor the voltage drop across the electrodes during 
polarity switching.  At the moment of switching, the voltage drops for a 
second, then rises above the nominal state value for 8 - 10 seconds, then 
returns to nominal.  Must be some interesting dynamic electrochemical 
"readjusting" going on when the polarity shifts. 

I did another batch with no polarity switching, but constant gentle stirring.  
It produced a 18.5 uS product (slightly "stronger"), but still had a bunch of 
sludge buildup.  But I have to agree with Trem, I think stirring has some 
benefits, but they are not very overwhelming.  I will see how the long term 
stability compares with the control batch.

--Steve


  

CS>First Day uS Drop

[Steve Young]

Hi list,

I have noticed when I make CS (LVDC method, pure DW, no additives), the 
conductivity of the end product drops during the first day.  I measure the 
conductivity with the Hanna PWT immediately after completing and stirring a 
batch, then the next day.  Here are some readings to illustrate this.  They are 
after - next day, in microSeimens:  23.8 - 16.0, 19.2 - 10.5, 22.6 - 16.2, 10.0 
- 7.8.

What is going on during the first day to cause the drop in measured "strength"?

--Steve  

CS>Possible Virus (Worm) Attack

[Steve Young]

Folks,

I recently discovered my computer was infected with a virus (actually a worm) 
called Wscript.KakWorm or VBS.KakWorm.  I thought I should warn you as I may 
have inadvertently and unknowingly passed it on to you.

You need only be concerned if your E-mail program is Microsoft Outlook Express.

It does not affect programs.  Instead, it attaches itself to all outgoing 
messages via the Signature feature of Outlook Express.  

Norton Antivirus will detect it IF you have downloaded the recent data files, 
and you have checked "all files".  If you have only checked "program files", 
Norton AV will not detect this virus (which is why I got it - dumb!).  I don't 
know about other antivirus programs and their ability to detect this worm virus.

This virus will shut down Windows on the first day of the month at 5 p.m.

To learn more about it and how to get rid of it, go to this Internet site:

http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/wscript.kakworm.html

If you don't understand things such as deleting a registry key (using regedit), 
get help from a computer expert.

Hope this helps you avoid problems on the first of the month.

--Steve Young






  

CS>PWT Calibration

[Steve Young]

Hi list,

1) I bought a Hanna PWT, model HI 98308.  As an electronics engineer, of course 
I had to take it apart to see the "guts".  Very nice instrument!  I am 
surprised they don't cost more.

A previous post by someone indicated his PWT could be calibrated with a 
precision resistor.  for his model, 100K Ohm = 10 uS and 1 Meg = 1 uS.  But 
with mine, 100K indicated 16.2uS.  Obviously, there must be some difference in 
the electronics and/or electrode geometry between mine and his.

Can someone tell me what value of calibration resistor the HI 98308 needs to 
read 10.0 uS?  Or for a given reference resistance, what my PWT meter should 
read?

2) My distilled water reads 1.0 uS.  Source is a neighbor's commercial steam 
distillation unit.  Is that about as good as one could hope for without a lot 
of additional effort or expense?

3) When measuring CS with a PWT, how does one keep the electrode chamber from 
gradually getting silver in it which will affect the readings?  Seems like the 
only easy way to clean it is to swish it around in some distilled water, or 
maybe use a water pik to squirt DW into the little electrode openings.

Thanks,
Steve Young


  

CS>Kills 650 different nasty things?

[Steve Young]

Hi list,
Many, many websites selling CS products make statements something like the 
following:  "Colloidal Silver is known to kill 650 different kinds of 
pathogens, including bacteria, fungus and viruses in addition to many others."

What is the original source for the claim that CS can kill 650 different kinds 
of harmful stuff?  Is it based on any scientific, documented studies?  I know 
most of the websites are just parroting other's claims with no real basis for 
their claims.  But someone, perhaps years ago, must have had some basis for 
such a claim.

Can any of you shed some light on this?

Thanks,
--Steve Young 

CS>More on CS testing at BYU

[Steve Young]

Hi list,

For some interesting reading, aim your browser at 
http://www.allianceteam.com/radio/silver.html.  Yes, it is an advertisement, 
but it provides results of several Brigham Young University microbiology 
department conducted tests of CS in destroying a variety of bacteria.  Nice to 
see some science instead of the usual unsubstantiated hype.
--Steve Young   

Re: CS>What is best constant current?

[Steve Young]

Fred and list,

In my case, I take exception to your statement below.  I really do!!  I built a 
constant current generator which produces exactly the same constant current 
from the starting instant to the end.  At the moment, it is set for 1.67 ma., 
which produces approximately 5 PPM/hour.  The starting voltage can be over 500 
volts, so it can handle very low conductivity distilled water with no added 
electrolyte.  The batch I brewed tonight started out at about 180 volts and 
ended after two hours at around 15 volts, all at 1.67 ma.  

I still don't know the optimum current to set my HVDC generator for.  Is there 
a lower threshold of current (x microamps?) where the energy level is too low 
to "knock off" silver atoms from the electrode?

--Steve

  - Original Message - 
  From: Fred 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 10:19 PM
  Subject: CS>What is best constant current?


  Constant current has nothing to do with the results, Steve! Those that claim 
to use it 
  really do not, since starting current is of course much lower!  Try current 
limiting!

  

  f...@health2us.com
  --
  Steve said:
  Hi list,
   
  I am new to this list, but have designed and experimented with many CS 
generators over the last few years (I am an EE).  But I need some help with the 
electro-chemistry aspects.  For a DC generator, I have seen conflicting 
recommendations on the best constant current to use.  For example, one 
recommends 20 ma., and another says use less than 1 ma.  Some say particle size 
is smaller when less current and more time is used for a given PPM.  What is 
the list wisdom on the value of constant current to use?  
   
  I have made both low voltage DC generators (which requires a bit of baking 
soda for proper conductivity) and high voltage DC generators (which don't need 
any additive to the steam distilled water).  Is the optimum current the same 
for both low and high voltage constant current generators?
   
  Thanks,
  Steve Young 

CS>Newspaper article about CS

[Steve Young]

Hi list,

I thought some of you would be interested in a Salt Lake City, UT newspaper
article about CS research being conducted at Brigham Young University (BYU)
in Provo, UT.  I will try to get the actual study results and will post
them, or if too long, a summary.

--Steve Young
>
> The following story appeared on deseretnews.com on May 16, 2000, 12:00 AM
MDT
>
> 
>
> Headline: Is silver an antibiotic alternative?
>
> Subhead: BYU study shows colloidal silver is as good as penicillin
>
> Author: By Lois M. CollinsDeseret News staff writer
>
> Tests of a silver solution have concluded that it provides an alternative
to
> antibiotics.
>
> Researchers in Brigham Young University's department of microbiology were
asked
> to test the antimicrobial activity of ASAP Solution, one of several
colloidal
> silver solutions available as unregulated natural supplements. ASAP is
produced
> by American Silver in Alpine, Utah County.
>
> Silver is "colloidal" when it is suspended in small amounts in liquid.
>
> Silver in various forms has been used for centuries as an antimicrobial
agent.
> In the 1800s and early 1900s, people put silver coins in their water
barrels to
> kill microbes and make the water potable. A silver nitrate ointment is
applied
> to the eyes of newborn babies to prevent certain eye problems. And silver
> suphadiazine is regularly used to treat burn wounds.
>
> Use of colloidal silver, once common, faded with the advent of
antibiotics.
> Recently, though, concerns about overuse of antibiotics and the
development of
> antibiotic-resistant microbes has lead to a resurgence of silver's
popularity.
>
> And with good reason, according to the study, conducted by BYU's David A.
> Revelli, microbiologist, and Ron W. Leavitt. The study compared ASAP to
five
> classes of antibiotics: the tetracyclines, fluorinated quinolones
(Ofloxacin),
> the penicillins, the cephalosporins (Cefaperazone) and the macrolides
> (Erythromycin).
>
> Both the silver and antibiotics were tested on a variety of
microorganisms,
> including streptococcuses, pneumonia, E. coli, salmonella, shigella and
> others.
>
> According to the study, the solution "exhibits an equal or broader
spectrum of
> activity than any one antibiotic tested." Where each antibiotic was
effective
> against specific susceptible organisms, the solution "is equally
effective"
> against both gram positive and gram negative organisms.
>
> "The data suggests that with the low toxicity associated with colloidal
silver,
> in general, and the broad spectrum of antimicrobial activity of this
colloidal
> silver preparation, this preparation may be effectively used as an
alternative
> to antibiotics," Revelli and Leavitt wrote.
>
> Dr. Dianne Farley-Jones, a family practitioner, recommends the solution to
her
> patients for external problems. She hasn't used it internally much, though
she
> said it works quite well for ear infections.
>
> "With any kind of abrasion or skin problem, it works really well and
really
> fast. And it seems to have an anti-inflammatory effect, though that hasn't
been
> proven."
>
> The colloidal silver solution also seems to have an antiviral effect,
> Farley-Jones said, though data hasn't been collected to prove it.
>
> She's used different brands at different times but hadn't recommended the
> solution until she saw the BYU research data. Now she encourages patients
to use
> it as a nasal rinse for sinus infection or to spray their throats if they
feel
> like they're getting a viral sore throat.
>
> She doesn't expect it to replace antibiotics. For one thing, just as
people
> developed resistance to the antibiotics, "we don't know if there's some
> mechanism of resistance and people can develop it to silver, as well. But
I am
> glad we have this tool. Using the same formulation the (BYU) tests were
done on,
> I've used it enough and had good results."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> E-mail:  l...@desnews.com
>
> --
>
> Copyright 2000, Deseret News Publishing Co.
>


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CS>Pulse-Phasic Process

[Steve Young]

Question about the CS PRO Pulse-Phasic AC Process.  This unit claims to perform 
much better than LVDC units, and almost as good as HVAC generators.  It uses 3 
electrodes:  generator, catalyzer, and filter electrodes.  I presume there is 
some polarity switching on at least two of the electrodes.

Can someone technically explain the principle of operation?  Has someone 
verified the improved product this unit is supposed to make?  I don't doubt the 
claims, but I would like to understand what is different about it as compared 
to LVDC.

Thanks,
Steve Young

CS>What is best constant current?

[Steve Young]

Hi list,

I am new to this list, but have designed and experimented with many CS 
generators over the last few years (I am an EE).  But I need some help with the 
electro-chemistry aspects.  For a DC generator, I have seen conflicting 
recommendations on the best constant current to use.  For example, one 
recommends 20 ma., and another says use less than 1 ma.  Some say particle size 
is smaller when less current and more time is used for a given PPM.  What is 
the list wisdom on the value of constant current to use?  

I have made both low voltage DC generators (which requires a bit of baking soda 
for proper conductivity) and high voltage DC generators (which don't need any 
additive to the steam distilled water).  Is the optimum current the same for 
both low and high voltage constant current generators?

Thanks,
Steve Young