Now we are getting somewhere...

1998-04-10 Thread ryb
 I want to thank C. von Wechmar(sorry about mispronounciation of your
name,ought to have checked)for FINALLY do TRUE research..

 In order to check some Cs products,it might not be a bad idea to,if
Christian von Wechmar agrees,to send him opened bottles of Csilver
let us say made by  Bruce Marx' devices-he does sell Cs made from his .
Cs pro devices are said to be NON-IONIC

PII and motherlode devices as well as the ones sold by Amazing devices
appear to be IONIC.here to,anyone that has such devices willing to send
them to C v. Wechmar for analysis..? 

Prices of analyzing what is being done in S.A I think is far more expensive
in America..I would not mind sending Wechmar some $$$ to have the stuff
analyzed while others can send him bottles of produced Csilver..

I do not know on how to go about it-how many bottles,samples would be
needed,etc..but a good guess is to send him UNOPENED Csilver bottles,brand
new,to avoid any possible contamination if transfreeed to a smaller bottle..

C von Wechmar would need to post to the list the options he is prepared to
do,etc..and some coordination here-no sense in sending him 20 bottles from
same producer..

Let us start with people on this list that have the above devices-CSPro
systems,PII,motherlode and Amazing devices..remembering that B.Marx devices
are said to produce NON IONIC silver..

 CS systems pro has a high DC voltage device-apparently(to them) results
are not that satisfatory).

Yours,ryb...

P.S 1-I am interested in buying a Csilver generator device that is NOT
battery operated-the Cs systems pro devices are pricey;next you have the
motherlode which prices are still high.Then the PII device which price is
just about right and the Amazing(?) device one who at $150 is a bargain ?-A
steady current Csilver generator,price very close to a battery operated
gizmo !

2-Some previous posts on this list dealt with Cgold..a few companies do
sell Cgold as well as C copper-further analysis if those products would be
welcomed...
3- Here again are the links to the above devices... 

http://www.register.com/motherlode(motherlode devices-partially ionic
and non ionic)

http://www.csprosystems.com/  (Bruce Marx devices,non IONIC;also high
powered DC devices..) Question for C. de Wechmar-does the procedures
outlined on his site are in agreement with what the Dept of Chemistry at
your university is doing ?What about the tests? Similar to your place ?

http://excalibur.cyberstreet.com/PII/COLLOID.HTM  (the PII devices,ionic)

http://www.tznet.com/busn/unusual/  (sorry,NOT amazing but UNUSUAL
devices)click on  Silver Genie  (from a DC device,appears to eb ionic..?)


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Re:beating dead horses...

1998-04-09 Thread ryb
Sorry about the ,errors in my mailing to the list..


 First,my opposition to gizmo-battery types Csilver generators is one of
prudence,then of effeciency and of safety...

Now,some of my posts have offended the maintainer of this list as well as
marketerrs selling their gizmo CS generators.I will NOT amend to that.
In fact I am GLAd if any on this list choose to get a Csilver generator
being produced by a source of steady current in lieu of a battery type. At
least I know that they will NOT get more than they bargain for..

  Csilver being made by batteries is relatively NEW..Who has more than 10
yrs of experience doing it? And who has been taking it for 10 yrs without
any secondary effects ?

 I suspect that those taking Csilver via powered generators for many
years,NOT one of them hasvedeveloped something else..CSpro Systems has
been in that market for over 6 yrs now-so far no casualty as far as I can
determine otherwise they would have been sued by lawyers into market
oblivion!To me,such methods of making Csilver seem to be safe to close to
100 %.
As for the ionic vs non ionic CS debate-so far I have not heard much..I
want to know if it is okay to use ioninc silver,providing that they do not
combine into our body to form carcinoma cells with other products..

  Commons sense ought to prevail here-a simple analogy- a Hulda Clark
ZAPPER has its usage,albeit limited but it is NOT a Bare/Rife device.
Hence for Csilver,you have the battery operated types-where some add
salt,whatever,others just last batch of CSilver solution(it it was
contaminated ,then what? )and the powered CSilver generators that we can
divide into 2: those producing IONIC silver like the PII device and the
ones not producing ionic silver like the Cs systems pro device..

 I do not care about gizmo battery devices-they are basically ALL the
same..The study of the lunar influences  is rather useless,or it shows
that these devices are finicky  they seem to be influenced by the lunar
phases.I suspect that the CS generators not using batteries  overcome these
problems..

 Again,another analogy here: a zapper as well as a battery Csilver
generator is ONLY good in case of emergency-if you visit a foreign
countiesy like Guatemala,Mexico,etc where water is unsafe,where medical
facilities are not up to par,etc..you take them devices along with your
toothbrush.. Also if you live in a region devastated by
tornadoes,etc,where safe water is not available for days,you have no
heat,etc,then again these types of devices can certainly help..But to use
them all year round and then claim it is the real McCoy ,this is
inflating the truth..

  Right now I am trying Willard water-it does seem to have an effect-more
on that latr when I have been on it for about 1 month..and will shortly be
using Csilver sold by Cs Systems pro-that is CS made from them machines..WE
will see..

 Yes,you can make Csilver from a high powered generator like this chap in
S. Africa(C. de  Waar ?)is trying to do..

Yours,ryb...

P.S. Note to C.de Waar of S. Africa contact Cisco as to how he makes his
Csilver(he uses stuff that works- on refugees ,people in need,on
him,etc..)his e-mail is :ci...@iftech.net




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lunatic influences for the gullible ?

1998-04-08 Thread ryb
While I do NOT discount LUNAR influences on human beings(after all we are
composed of 98 % or so of water and as the moon does have an influence on
water,..) but to draw some conclusiosn from incomplete experiments is well
hazardous at best...

 I would like to see the experiments repeated but this time using a CS-300
pro or whatever gizmo battery type Csilver generator,using same medium,that
is from the same bottle of distilled water that has less than 1 PPM vs a
power operated CS generator like the CS pros systems or PII or motherlode..

 And then do a comparison..I suspect that you will NOT find any variation
in the steady current Cs generators as compared to the batteries one..If
that is the case it simply means that battery type Cs generators are too
sensitive and outside factors such as lunar influences,etc could affect the
potentiality fo the silver batch !

  However if the Cs pros,PII etc do show a difference,maybe we ought to
narrow it down to AC vs DC operated devices..

 Any takers to do the above ?

Yours,ryb...

P.S . A comparison between the different battery Csilver devices ought to
be done as well to determine which one is the most sensitive to lunar and
other planetary influences..Personally I would go for the devices that are
the LEAST sensitive to lunar,planetary and other cosmological influences so
that consistency can be maintained when doing a silver batch.I do not think
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Real distilled water ?Gadget to measure the PPM;CAW

1998-04-04 Thread ryb
 In the drugstores over here, what they sell for distilled water is in fact
called demineralized,de-ionized water equivalent to distilled water.Yet
they said on the bottle that it contains 10PPM or less.

 Thus as we need less than 1PPM to make distilled water,what next ?
The price is about $150(Canadian) a gallon for that type of water..

To measure the PPM in a water many companies do sell certain gadgets that
measure this..How accurate are they ?Same goes for making distilled
water...I know that CS System Pro do sell such apparatus...along with
their CSilver generators...

CAW-Catalysed Altered Water or Willard's water..can we mix it with spring
water(from underground sources) or is it beter to use deminiralized water
or still better real distileld water..That water has a funny taste...some
mix it with their Csilver-good to do so or ? I read that Willard's water is
an anti-oxydent per excelelnce,hence good to use it in conjunction with Cs
in the detox process ?

 Hanna's instruments,I did notice that they have one to measure the silver
content of a solution.Is that the gadget we are looking for ?It would sure
be less costly than sending ti to a lab each time we want to test our
Csilver !

  Okay,on Hanna's web site,click NEW intruments,then click on IO SPECIFIC
METERS,then click on SILVER on the  Hand-Held Single- Parameters,then
click on SILVERor simply go to:

http://www.hannainst.com/products/ion/93737.htm

There you will see the HI 93737 Silver Meter   This silver meter measures
silver from 0 to 0.6 mg/L in steps of 1/1000th on mg/L.it measures only
silver,easy to use,weights half a pound,etc...cost is
$149.00;reagent sets $102,$303,etc...

 Question-is that the instrument we need to measure size of silver
particules in the Csilver solutions or get an approximation of it ?

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Are CS gizmo types batteries bad for us ?

1998-04-01 Thread ryb
I do not know where some get the idea that more is always better..A
Tylenol might be good for a headache or attack of rhumatism,etc..extended
muscle to alleviate the pain(no,I am NOT recommending that you take it at
firt signs of pain)but if you take a bottle you will end up in the
emergency hospital ward and might even be D.O.A.(dead on arrival) before
you get there !

Same goes for CSilver-drinking it like syrup,coffe is stupid !If you are
NOT ill,do NOT drink it ! I think that those that are drinking it on  daily
basis just to fell good will find out that they need to increase the dosage
when they really get a bug(cold,etc..)..

Also,what methods exist of finding out if we have too much silver in our
system ? The literature says that true CS takes about 5 days to excrete
from your sytem..If you drink it like coffee,hummm ?

 Using salt,hot water or previous batches is not very wise and further
proves that such CS made is not CS !Cs has NO harmful effects for the human
body.But for those taking dubious Cs 'solutions' I do wonder..

  The ONLY marketeers hype I have seen is on those selling these Cs battery
gizmos..

 The 3 places selling Csilver devices all disagree about who is producing
true CS.
-Their products are transparent,NOT yellow,blue,grey or pink !
-These products seem to have an extended shelf-life that gizmo devices do
not have..
-These products do NOT degrade easily into something else-they do NOT
change color over time,nor do they have to be filtered nor put in an opaque
bottle and refrigerated.In factt they can be put in a simple plastic
bottle,at room temperatures and in direct sunlight all day !

 Now,you do have a few places on the Net besides those making such devices
that are selling similar products.

  I would rather much see discussions about the above products than endless
debates on how to make the cheapest Csilver..at any cost.And also what
about CGold,copper et al ?Do devices exist  for such products ? How about a
multipurpose device ?

In closing,I will say this again,yes gizmo type produced Cs DOES work 
what are its long term effects ?If I read correctly the current literature
on CSilver it can cure HERPES,Hepatitus C,possibly AIDS or at  least many
of its symptoms..Now how many of the gizmo  batrtery types can say that
yes,via their products such illnesses have been cured and that the cured
did not have to taker it again...(Csilver)

Yours,ryb...

P.S. If you go to Mexico or other places where diseases ar eprevalent,water
unsafe,then a battery silver gizmo can be a valid option..while you are
there...


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Yet another form of colloidals ?

1998-03-31 Thread ryb
Thanks to Daniel Holly for giving me the web site  for WaterOz...They are
at   http://www.waterozm.com/

 It would appear that their products are NOT colloidal.They are more along
the lines of the Clatk Colloidal minerals and the likes...

  They do NOT use distilled water,but underground mineral water that is
re-purified via osmosis,etc..

 In any event I have asked them more questions about their products..

Hence,I do not doubt that people are benifitting from these mineral water
products but Colloidal minerals are different.The bottom line is distilled
water which is a man made product.

 So we now have 4 types of devices that can do colloidal silver(as for
collidal gold,etc..none ?)

-gizmo battery types

-PII devices using a steady 30 Volts DC current(a real bonus over the
battery types-no waste,no filtering needed,no salt,no by-products and their
prices are CHEAP if you compare them to the battery devices..)

-Motherlode devices that produces a sort of colloidal silver(ionic)

-the CSprosystem devices that produces colloidal silver,non ionic..(?)

 I do hope that people on the list can put some of their focus on these 3
last devices that seem to give out good results,a stabilized product
and a safe one at that too.. 

 I am a bit dismayed at people trying to find safe ways via battery-gizmo
devices.These are okay ,in case of emergency-if you have a power
outage,water is unsafe,etc or if you go let us say to Mexico and want to
avoid getting the tourists(diarrhea).

 Now if someoner could come up with a portable system similar to a PII
device-using a car battery or otherwise,then that would be a viable
alternative if the results of said CSilver at same as an original PII device !

  Yours,ryb...

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Re: response in regards to silver water product

1998-03-30 Thread ryb
Here is the response I got from Water Oz from Arizona...
 Thsuit wouldappear that BECAUSE oftheFDA we msut now talk of silver
water ?!!!

At 08:22 AM 3/30/98 -0800, you wrote:
RYB,
I am not familiar with the manufacturing process of the Silver Mineral Water
other than it is made in Idaho. Yes, it is colloidal Silver, they changed
the name because of intimidation from the FDA. Yes we also have the
colloidal gold and copper for the same price of the silver.
I use the silver myself and it is clear and will retain its colloidal
properties as long as you do not place the container on cement. It is 100
ppm and you can really taste the content.
Later,
Jeff
SNIP

In your excellent products and toys(very unusual,I must admit)you mention
silver water-now is that what others call colloidal silver ? 

SNIP

Hence,will be forced to talk about silver water as well in
the near future ? 

I would assume that making CS Copper,Gold,etc is  a process more difficult
than silver hence unless someone can figure a cheap way to do it we will
have to buy the said products..By cheap,I mean devices under $1,000 than
could produce CSilver,CCopper and CGold...

Anyone can find out who that Idaho company is ?

Yours,ryb...


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2 schools of throught ?

1998-03-30 Thread ryb
I do not know how we can go about in decideing which Csilver tha tis
produced as per 2 methods can be the right one..

If we take the PII method,it is very similar to B.Beck's methods and the
most often used by gizmo (batteries) types..Fact that it does work(as for
instances from posts to this list) would seem to indicate that mom n' pop
CSivler generator do have their usefulness..

  If you look at PII prices as compared to the battery types.PII products
suddenly ebcoem  very attractive..

 Now as for CS Pro ystems-they are getting good results,prices are high.
For motherlode systems,it would appear that their product is between thart
of PII and CS Pro systems...

 Now all of the above reminds me of the zappers,pad devices and Bare/Rife
tube devices..each  such device has its own range of effects..

 Could we be dealing with same thing here:

-that battery types Csilver generators are good for cold,flu and the like
symptoms..The minus-you have to CONTINUALLY TAKE IT...to be free of a
variety of symptoms


-PII devices good for pneumonia,asthma,rhumatism etc...(diseases that are
recurrent on permanent basis).Once you stop taking it,you can be free of
let us say rhumatism for a few months or years ?

--motherlode devices good for herpes,sinusitis,tuberculosis,some form of
hepatitus(A,B,..).If you stop using it-your problems of  let us say herpes
do NOT come back..

-CS Pro systems good good AIDS,Hepatitus C,rabies,encephalitis,etc..when
yous top taking it-these problems do NOT coem back to haunt you...?

  Yours,ryb

P.S. Any literature for a person that got rabies from a wild animal or dog
and used CS ?As I understand it  curing rabies is difficult-you must have
many vaccine shots.Could Csilver be used on wild animals to cure them of
rabies ?


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Now selenium ,zinc water as well as silver water ?Copper.CGold

1998-03-29 Thread ryb
 I found this following site that advertises selenium,zinc,silver water !

Go to  http://www.jeffry.com/   and there you can click on Water Oz..
Yes it is a sort of a mish-mash ultra patriots site BUT is you look a their
links,especially a better technologies and also their TOYS sections,some
very unusual toys(no,not improved AK-47).This site is from Arizona,thus...

It would appear that their silver water is colloidal silver...

Yours,ryb...

 P.S. The only other place that appears to know what they are talking about
in regards to colloidal gold and copper(their Csilver is NOT yellow,but
transparent as it ought to be,thus) is the following(I did e-mail them to
find out more abouttheir Ccopper and Cgold products..(teh response on their
web site is not functionning well,use  their e-mail address instead) so
their web site is :
  http://inspiratech.com/colloidals/index.htm


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thanks;anyone checking the PII CSgeneratorss,etc..?CS gold ?

1998-03-27 Thread ryb
Thanks to Bill the mad scientist to have checked out the motherlode..CS
generator..
Note that CS Pro system have put a fan in their newest models..

Also CS PRO offers LAB analysis of your CSilver concoctions..

The PPM meter measuring conductivity is what CS Pro mentions on their Web
page !

 It does appear that battery operated Csilver generators are more than
finicky and whose value are dubious,for me at least..

 I am asking,anyone you know that  had Hepatitus C or Tuberculosis or acute
pneumonia cured with a battery operated CS generator ? And how long did it
take ?

To Bruce Stenulsen,I did not need a course in electricity 101 to figure out
that a pwer Cs generator via AC or DC  from 110 V was superior to a battery
operated gizmo..Those are good in case of emergency-let us say you visit
countries that are malaria stricken,etc...

Hype of marketers? So far only 3 companies appear to be selling
serious(power by 110V)Csilver generators.No,I did not see any hypes on
either of their Web sites.But I did see lotsa baloney on sites that are
selling battery operated CS gizmos!

 Okay,now how about CGold and CCopper via one of those generators sold by
these 3 companies ?Feasable,safe,has it been tried or ?
 It would be nice if we could configure these generators so that we could
make colloidal gold,copper,etc..

Yours,ryb

Name change in the future ? Maybe Colloidal Metals could be appropriate as
we go into CGold,CCoper,etc ..?


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Cs prosystems;Willard water,good for CS? and Bare/Rife units with CS ?

1998-03-26 Thread ryb
Okay,I will be brief as my previous post was once again bounced back to
me-I made an error in mailing it


WE can make Cs with the power supply of the Bare device.This is what
 Bruce K. StenulsonWweb site soon...!


CSprosystems.what I like about their system(well not the price of their
devices)are the followings:

-no need to filter the Cs !
-no need to consume it within a few days
-no need to have it stored in an opaque container(it can be stored in a
plastic bottle,exposed at sunlight for 6 months without any deterioration...!
-no need to ad salt nor  previous CS solution tospeed it up
-no need to constantly look at it so that no toxic(?) particles start forming
-no need to check the batteries
-no need to have different gizmos like PPM meters
-etc...

And CSprosystems sell it too at an incredible low price...


And they sell a  distilled water machine...I guess some can put it to usage
like making their home beer or moonshine if they are low in or on
spirits(hum)...


Also CSilver  is supposed to cure Hepatitus C,Aids to a
degree,tuberculosis,various forms of pneumonia,Lyme,etc..herpes,etc..
Now how many persons you know have been cured with do it yourself CS kits ?

Question-Rabies-does CS cures it as well ?

Anyone using CS with a Bare/Rife untis ?In conjunction with a zapper?
Results ?Also anyone  has tried to put CS(a batch) in front of a Bare/Rife
device,let us say for 1 hr while the device is running a healing frequency ?

GOLD FLAX-I have found a place in Canada that will sell a 10kgs bag(22,5
lbs) of Gold flax seeds with their shells for $15.95  Canadian(=$12.00
US),while Dakota Flax Gold sells for about $40 US a bag of about same size
!It is an independent Sakatchewan farmer that selsl it-he uses no
herbicides or pesticides(he is not organically certified,I do not think it
exist yet for flax seeds in Canada).For more infos go to this site:

http://www.natural-goodness.com/ 

 they are in Ontario,in the Owen Sound region(south of Georgia Bay).This
product is brand new,not in their catalogs yet..

Willard water-much hype but not that-to have the goods ,go to thecompany
that manufactures the product(situated in S.Dakota !Where you also find
South Dakota Gold flax seeds)andcheck their official distributors links for
the best price... So go   to
 http://www.dr-willardswater.com/

Yours,ryb...

P.S. Has anyonetried to cook up(make) CSin Willard water ?




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precisions and look it up,important...

1998-03-20 Thread ryb
The exact link to the unusual items(gold,silver,etc) that Christian von
Wecnmar mentioned is as per follows:

http://www.tznet.com/busn/unusual/

 I urge people to READ what they have to offer.I ahd lsot that link a few
months  ago..If you look up at the different items,in regards to
CS,CG,etc,very potent infos'..
 One product,the SILVER GENIE offers SOL-TESTER,to test the CS,CG by the
LED glow of this little apparatus...

  And under STRUCTURED WATER,the article talks about George Lakhovsky unde
rthe caption Where Science and Voodoo meet.

As we all know Lakhovsky DID cure people of cancer and other diseases via
his MWO !

   I do think that these are serious products in that they DO give results...

Yours,ryb...


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adjunct for Jim's work ?

1998-03-12 Thread ryb
Sorry,about this being off-topic,but if Jim is interested I have
 STUDIO MAGICK which can help him...I tried it,it works..under Windows 3.1.
Drivers for Windows 95 must be on the net somewhere..You must operate under
Windows 3.1 in order to use it.The files,etc are all compatible with
Windows 95...

 With this program-manual,software,cabel to connect to the Camcorder,16 bit
card(requires a full slot)You can create videos from  computer
graphics,television broadcasts,CD-ROMs,commercial videos, or yourown
camcorder.You can edt,insert titles,create graphics and special effects as
well as add music,sound effects and voice narration

 You need: Pc/At IBM 100% compatible  computer
  -free full size  16-bit slot
  -VGA card or internal VGA
  -Standards VGA/SVGA monitor
  -hard disk
  -4 md of rams minimum
  -Dos 301 and higher,Windows  3.1
  -Mouse(windows compatible)

Optional equipement recommended:

-up to 2 video sources(camcorder,VCR,laser disk,etc..)
-Video desitination device(videotape,VCR,or TV ,or both)
-NTSC video display or tv
-Windows/MPC compatible sound card
-CD-ROM drive
-Studio Magick Director for control of infra red,L,or M recording devices*

Thus except for last equipement*(for specialised usage) all the other
equipemnt is pretty standard nowadays..

 In short,the video from your camcorder you can maniplate it with Studio
magick and then put it on your web site.Also you can make nifty videos,re
how to produce Cs,etc...with a quasi professional quality...Sales of them
videos could be a further revenue resources to help you with your CS
research..

So if Jim is interested,e-mail me as soon as possible..I can ship this
thing via UPS(I am in Canada) and will PAY UPS (ground) postage..

 Yours,ryb...


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Flax gold as a cancer cure ?

1998-03-10 Thread ryb
I found out the address for DAKOTA FLAX GOLD- go to the following
link:http://www.meds.com/archive/mol-cancer/1996/msg00425.html where a
newsgroup message about Dakota Falx Gold was archived...
  In any event their address is a per follows:DFG c/o TCT Co.,P.O. Box
591,Colby,Kansas  67701.Call 1-913-462-3772;e-mail to donsm...@colby.ikks.com

 A 6 month supply is $60 and they include a flax grinder(free-a $20 value)

 NOTE-check before ordering as these infos are dated..

And just found their WEB site,at least for Heintzman Farms,re Dakota Flax
Gold at  http://www.heintzmanfarms.com/


Also noteworthy is http://www.pandamedicine.com/ and check their on-line
classifieds

Yours,ryb...

P.S. I have been unable to find a Canadian site similar to Dakota Flax gold...



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places..;a correction ?

1998-02-25 Thread ryb
Just read about this chap that is  selling the PPM meters-at which prices...

 what is really needed is a Web site where such addreses are
posted,etc;also discussions on a WEB site of different silver apparatus
being used by members on this list,the pros and cons...

As for thwe makers of cs-so many frauds out there,very difficult to
decipher the wheat from the schaff.It reminds me of the colloidal mineral
stuff-everybody claims that their products are from the original Clark mine
in Utah...

Finally here,anyone using cs along with a zapper treatment or with a
Rife/Bare device ?

Yours,ryb...

P.S. Anyone have tried to put a cs solution in front of a Bare/Rife device
at a certain frequency-is cs enhanced or ?


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