Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria, Silver Rich Soils
I find quite often , when studying biotheory that there is no language that expresses the symbolism needed. Analogies fail to describe the simplicity of it all. It's like economics, analogies a la grande, but of course analogies manifest paradigm. Simplicity rules, silver has the ambiance to control the pleo/polymorphism ,of micro/macro expansionism, that has plenty of room in infinity... Shep At 11:04 AM 7/23/2008 -0400, you wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: Silver has no known role as a nutrient which is what makes it virtually nontoxic at any dose, thank goodness. It keeps the wolves away from the sheep, but serves no purpose for the sheep in the absence of wolves. Ode ## How is triggering or stimulating a natural function "nutrition"? A nutrient would be a "building block" or something that feeds something that has been built to contribute energy to it? It's more likely that stems cell production is increased rather than any cells reverting anyhow. Something has to 'fill' the voids to heal an abrasion...don't think existing cells do that after they've been rubbed away, nor would I think existing cells would migrate, reverted or not. Looking at it another way: Is there any silver in a stem cell where that stem cell wouldn't be a stem cell were the silver not there?? Gets a bit ticklish there, like the difference between a baby born that's raised by momma, influenced to behave like that momma and one that's an orphan at birth looking for a momma to raise it and copy. Does something "revert" or is it lack of family ties imprint, going forward. It seems unlikely that grandpa puts on diapers and moves out of down town to repopulate the burbs. ..no question it does "something good", but a bandaid isn't a nutrient either. Maybe silver gets something out of the way, so stem cells can play better "hookup". [like a 50 in a pimps hand bribing the cop on the corner.impeding a prevention of a whore moan? ] ummm, floozie cells with no "significant other" and a silver membership in a dating service? Will micro-electrical current stimulation do the same thing? Heals up broken bones pretty fast. Maybe silver works like a traffic cop with a map and a whistle, but that's not a car in the traffic or anyone in a car...he's in the traffic but is not, the, traffic...never contacts a car. Definitely a process enhancer, but probably not part of "the" process... like a director isn't *in* a play with any part in the plot and that guy waving sticks around doesn't make the music... the actor is still the same actor with the same part and the notes played by the trumpet are still the same notes on the same sheet of paper. Architects don't build buildings. A pencil never laid any bricks or peened any rivits. Ode You are only considering the pathogen killing ability of silver. What about the ability to make it so that injured (or blood) cells can revert back to stem cells and redifferentiate, and allow healing without scarring? It certainly serves that purpose, especially when used topically on abrasions, and burns. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1568 - Release Date: 7/23/2008 6:55 AM
Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria, Silver Rich Soils
At 11:04 AM 7/23/2008 -0400, you wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: Silver has no known role as a nutrient which is what makes it virtually nontoxic at any dose, thank goodness. It keeps the wolves away from the sheep, but serves no purpose for the sheep in the absence of wolves. Ode ## How is triggering or stimulating a natural function "nutrition"? A nutrient would be a "building block" or something that feeds something that has been built to contribute energy to it? It's more likely that stems cell production is increased rather than any cells reverting anyhow. Something has to 'fill' the voids to heal an abrasion...don't think existing cells do that after they've been rubbed away, nor would I think existing cells would migrate, reverted or not. Looking at it another way: Is there any silver in a stem cell where that stem cell wouldn't be a stem cell were the silver not there?? Gets a bit ticklish there, like the difference between a baby born that's raised by momma, influenced to behave like that momma and one that's an orphan at birth looking for a momma to raise it and copy. Does something "revert" or is it lack of family ties imprint, going forward. It seems unlikely that grandpa puts on diapers and moves out of down town to repopulate the burbs. ..no question it does "something good", but a bandaid isn't a nutrient either. Maybe silver gets something out of the way, so stem cells can play better "hookup". [like a 50 in a pimps hand bribing the cop on the corner.impeding a prevention of a whore moan? ] ummm, floozie cells with no "significant other" and a silver membership in a dating service? Will micro-electrical current stimulation do the same thing? Heals up broken bones pretty fast. Maybe silver works like a traffic cop with a map and a whistle, but that's not a car in the traffic or anyone in a car...he's in the traffic but is not, the, traffic...never contacts a car. Definitely a process enhancer, but probably not part of "the" process... like a director isn't *in* a play with any part in the plot and that guy waving sticks around doesn't make the music... the actor is still the same actor with the same part and the notes played by the trumpet are still the same notes on the same sheet of paper. Architects don't build buildings. A pencil never laid any bricks or peened any rivits. Ode You are only considering the pathogen killing ability of silver. What about the ability to make it so that injured (or blood) cells can revert back to stem cells and redifferentiate, and allow healing without scarring? It certainly serves that purpose, especially when used topically on abrasions, and burns. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1568 - Release Date: 7/23/2008 6:55 AM
Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria, Silver Rich Soils
Ode Coyote wrote: Silver has no known role as a nutrient which is what makes it virtually nontoxic at any dose, thank goodness. It keeps the wolves away from the sheep, but serves no purpose for the sheep in the absence of wolves. Ode You are only considering the pathogen killing ability of silver. What about the ability to make it so that injured (or blood) cells can revert back to stem cells and redifferentiate, and allow healing without scarring? It certainly serves that purpose, especially when used topically on abrasions, and burns. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Silver resistant bacteria, Silver Rich Soils
Morning Wayne, I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken. Dan You wrote: "Again, I think you are saying the experts have never made a mistake." (Just joking, of course...) > -Original Message- > From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:cwa...@netdoor.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:57 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: RE: CS>Silver resistant bacteria, Silver Rich Soils > > Evening Dan, > > >> At 02:35 PM 7/22/2008, you wrote: > >It is not a necessary and required nutrient. > I did not say it was Maybe I suggested that I > think it is, or in other messages > I may have stated that I think it is. Not sure if I did or did not. > > > > >Seems we had some discussion a few months ago. Some did not > > > >believe that silver is a necessary and required nutrient. > >Nevertheless, > >Plants told me they think it is. > >And to think the scientists or anyone knows > everything, may be a mistake. > >This is the one advantage of eating whole foods. We get > the things that scientists know about and the things they > have not learned about . Yet. > > >> It is something, but not that... > > Maybe you hit the nail on the head with that statement. > > Something may exist, not a nutrient, mineral or anything we know. > > A name has not been assigned to it, yet. > > Again, I think you are saying the experts have never made a mistake. > > Wayne > > === > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria, Silver Rich Soils
Succinctly put Ode! Dee ---Original Message--- From: Ode Coyote Date: 07/22/08 19:50:13 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria, Silver Rich Soils >It keeps the wolves away from the sheep, but serves no purpose for the sheep in the absence of wolves. Ode
Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria, Silver Rich Soils
Experts are known to make the biggest mistakes Shep Again, I think you are saying the experts have never made a mistake. Wayne === -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Silver resistant bacteria, Silver Rich Soils
Evening Dan, >> At 02:35 PM 7/22/2008, you wrote: It is not a necessary and required nutrient. I did not say it was Maybe I suggested that I think it is, or in other messages I may have stated that I think it is. Not sure if I did or did not. > >Seems we had some discussion a few months ago. Some did not believe > >that silver is a necessary and required nutrient. Nevertheless, Plants told me they think it is. And to think the scientists or anyone knows everything, may be a mistake. This is the one advantage of eating whole foods. We get the things that scientists know about and the things they have not learned about . Yet. >> It is something, but not that... Maybe you hit the nail on the head with that statement. Something may exist, not a nutrient, mineral or anything we know. A name has not been assigned to it, yet. Again, I think you are saying the experts have never made a mistake. Wayne === -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Silver resistant bacteria, Silver Rich Soils
Ya Wayne, It is not a necessary and required nutrient. It is something, but not that... Dan > -Original Message- > From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 6:10 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria, Silver Rich Soils > > > >Silver has no known role as a nutrient which is what makes > it virtually > >nontoxic at any dose, thank goodness. > > All of the essential metals that DO play a role in nutrition > CAN be quite toxic. > > Saying that silver prevents, controls, or cures a disease and > is therefore a nutrient would be like saying Penicillin is a nutrient. > It's like saying that a fence around a garden to keep the > deer out, is the same as fertilizer. > > Having a deficiency in an essential trace metal can make > one more inclined to have a disease, but that doesn't *cause* > the disease, it causes an imbalance which makes a friendly > environment for problems. > Silver doesn't balance or unbalance anything, it goes after > microbes that may, or may not have been there without it. > > It keeps the wolves away from the sheep, but serves no > purpose for the sheep in the absence of wolves. > > Ode > > > >Seems we had some discussion a few months ago. Some did not believe > >that silver is a necessary and required nutrient. > > > > > >Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > >The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus > Database: > >270.5.4/1566 - Release Date: 7/22/2008 6:00 AM > > > >
Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria, Silver Rich Soils
Silver has no known role as a nutrient which is what makes it virtually nontoxic at any dose, thank goodness. All of the essential metals that DO play a role in nutrition CAN be quite toxic. Saying that silver prevents, controls, or cures a disease and is therefore a nutrient would be like saying Penicillin is a nutrient. It's like saying that a fence around a garden to keep the deer out, is the same as fertilizer. Having a deficiency in an essential trace metal can make one more inclined to have a disease, but that doesn't *cause* the disease, it causes an imbalance which makes a friendly environment for problems. Silver doesn't balance or unbalance anything, it goes after microbes that may, or may not have been there without it. It keeps the wolves away from the sheep, but serves no purpose for the sheep in the absence of wolves. Ode Seems we had some discussion a few months ago. Some did not believe that silver is a necessary and required nutrient. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.4/1566 - Release Date: 7/22/2008 6:00 AM
Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria, Silver Rich Soils
As far as I know, the silver resistant bacteria were initially isolated from silver mines, tailings, and runoffs. See http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=215434 Plasmid-determined silver resistance in Pseudomonas stutzeri isolated from a silver mine. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B82XX-4NT7XBK-15&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C50221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=410080c9d8631c8e1e40ecdc4f86288d The silver-resistant /Acidithiobacillus ferrooxidans/ were isolated from 22 acid mine drainage (AMD) samples collected from Dexing Copper Mine and Chengmen Mountain Mine http://isebindia.com/05_08/06-04-2.html Microbial silver toxicity is found in situation of industrial pollution, especially those associated with mining http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1516-8913200100031&lng=in&nrm=iso&tlng=in /P. diminuta/, a gram-negative bacteria, previously isolated from a mining environment in Malaysia was used throughout the study (Ibrahim, 1993). http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:9weGaBPD7zoJ:www.jmb.or.kr/home/journal/include/downloadPdf.asp%3Farticleuid%3D%257B62AFEB68-30B8-4AD9-AA29-87765731E1D9%257D+silver+resistant+bacteria+mines&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=19&gl=us were collected from ten sites at two abandoned *silver* and gold-mine areas Marshall Wayne Fugitt wrote: Evening Faith, At 10:51 AM 7/21/2008, you wrote: I have never heard of silver rich soil. where is it? Faith G. Silver rich soil does not mean the same as a "Silver Rich Mine". Being a trace mineral, likely a thimble full or a teaspoon full per acre would be more than enough. Silver rich soils are usually the result of disturbance by man or nature, no doubt. The "silver rich" soils could have from a fraction or a mg to a few mg per 100 grams of soil. And soil depths vary, so likely no one can figure out the amount per acre. Seems we had some discussion a few months ago. Some did not believe that silver is a necessary and required nutrient. I think I posted a reference that suggests it was in fact of benefit to plants, but must be compounded or chelated in the proper manner. Anytime we underestimate the adaptability of plants, animals, bacteria, and virus, we have likely made a mistake. And of course we all believe in the benefits of silver. Yet few believe it is the answer to every problem of the world. Let us know when you start you silver mine in "silver rich" soils. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Silver resistant bacteria, Silver Rich Soils
Evening Faith, At 10:51 AM 7/21/2008, you wrote: I have never heard of silver rich soil. where is it? Faith G. Silver rich soil does not mean the same as a "Silver Rich Mine". Being a trace mineral, likely a thimble full or a teaspoon full per acre would be more than enough. Silver rich soils are usually the result of disturbance by man or nature, no doubt. The "silver rich" soils could have from a fraction or a mg to a few mg per 100 grams of soil. And soil depths vary, so likely no one can figure out the amount per acre. Seems we had some discussion a few months ago. Some did not believe that silver is a necessary and required nutrient. I think I posted a reference that suggests it was in fact of benefit to plants, but must be compounded or chelated in the proper manner. Anytime we underestimate the adaptability of plants, animals, bacteria, and virus, we have likely made a mistake. And of course we all believe in the benefits of silver. Yet few believe it is the answer to every problem of the world. Let us know when you start you silver mine in "silver rich" soils. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria
Do you know Marshall, I have sent this article to people but didn't really read it properly myself (thinking erroneously, that I knew most of it) Thanks for that, I will now read it *properly*!! Dee ---Original Message--- > http://silver-lightning.com/theory.html#Kill I think pretty well explores the different theories. Marshall
Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria
*No-one seems to really know the MO of EIS apparently. If they do, *please* tell me! *Dee Dee: This is what Jonathan Wright has to say about it. I am quoting this from a 2006 newsletter in which he recommends using colloidal silver. I you want, I can send you a copy of the entire newsletter. I can't attach it here becasue it is a 400K PDF file and I don't believe the filters on this list would pass it: "Although researchers have known of silver's germ-fighting effects for decades, it wasn't until 2000 that scientists finally understood why it worked so well. But first, it's important to understand antibiotics' Achilles' heel. Although germs have three vulnerable targets, any single antibiotic can attack only one of them at a time: (1) the germ's outer membrane, (2) its internal components, or (3) its delicate gene pool. When a germ becomes resistant to an antibiotic, it has learned how to fortify the specific target that the antibiotic attacks. You'd have to take several antibiotics to attack all of the germ's targets simultaneously. But that sets the stage for further problems. Taking multiple antibiotics just increases the odds of wiping out enough friendly bacteria to allow an infection by various fungi (including Candida and other yeast). And in place of the friendly bacteria, "resistant" bacteria set up camp, including the infamous, but all-too-common, hospital residents-staph aureus and clostridia. Antibiotics obviously don't have what it takes to nip these super-bugs in the bud. But that's where colloidal silver comes in. Silver attacks all three of the germ's vulnerable targets at once. First, the silver ions easily rupture a germ's outer membrane when present in the right amounts, causing the germ's vital internal components to be exposed in the bloodstream to our white blood cells. While the white blood cells attack the internal components, the micro-particulate silver continues to destroy these vital internal components by cutting up vital enzymes. The silver ions then easily attack the germ's third vulnerable target: its delicate gene pool. Silver ions have the ability to reach into the nucleus of the germ, where its gene pool is located. Once they combine with the genes, the genes become paralyzed, and the germ cannot replicate itself." Johnathan Wright, Nutrition and Healing, Vol 13, Issue 8, Sept 2006
Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria
Dee wrote: Well this is what I always believed, or rather that the silver surrounds the enzyme which is used as a primitive lung by the bacteria, so suffocating it. But apparently this is in this 1978 article which I have based my knowledge of silver on, and which has turned out to be largely incorrect, or exaggerated. No-one seems to really know the MO of EIS apparently. If they do, *please* tell me! Dee /---Original Message---/ /*From:*/ Faith Gagne <mailto:jitte...@gis.net> /*Date:*/ 21/07/2008 14:33:40 /*To:*/ silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> /*Subject:*/ Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria I thought that silver strangles (so to speak) bacteria. How can bacteria become resistant to non-breathing? I mean, can one become resistant to a pillow over one's airways? Faith g. http://silver-lightning.com/theory.html#Kill I think pretty well explores the different theories. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria
Faith Gagne wrote: I have never heard of silver rich soil. where is it? Faith G. In silver mines, and tailings from silver mines. Most are in the Western part of the US and Canada. Marshall - Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" To: Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria Faith Gagne wrote: I thought that silver strangles (so to speak) bacteria. How can bacteria become resistant to non-breathing? I mean, can one become resistant to a pillow over one's airways? Faith g. The ones I have read about, those which are in silver rich soils, have silver ion pumps. When a silver ion makes its way into the cell, the ion pump immediately pumps it right back out. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria
Well this is what I always believed, or rather that the silver surrounds the enzyme which is used as a primitive lung by the bacteria, so suffocating it. But apparently this is in this 1978 article which I have based my knowledge of silver on, and which has turned out to be largely incorrect, or exaggerated. No-one seems to really know the MO of EIS apparently. If they do, *please* tell me! Dee ---Original Message--- From: Faith Gagne Date: 21/07/2008 14:33:40 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria I thought that silver strangles (so to speak) bacteria. How can bacteria become resistant to non-breathing? I mean, can one become resistant to a pillow over one's airways? Faith g.
Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria
No, I meant the bacteria becoming resistant to the silver. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Clayton Family Date: 21/07/2008 15:47:23 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria It does not say the silver become resistant. There are many bacteria that thrive in extreme conditions, and a silver rich environment can qualify as that. It is a specific species found in a mineral deposit in nature, not one in a living body.
Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria
I have never heard of silver rich soil. where is it? Faith G. - Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" To: Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria Faith Gagne wrote: I thought that silver strangles (so to speak) bacteria. How can bacteria become resistant to non-breathing? I mean, can one become resistant to a pillow over one's airways? Faith g. The ones I have read about, those which are in silver rich soils, have silver ion pumps. When a silver ion makes its way into the cell, the ion pump immediately pumps it right back out. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria
Faith Gagne wrote:
I thought that silver strangles (so to speak) bacteria. How can
bacteria become resistant to non-breathing? I mean, can one become
resistant to a pillow over one's airways? Faith g.
The ones I have read about, those which are in silver rich soils, have
silver ion pumps. When a silver ion makes its way into the cell, the ion
pump immediately pumps it right back out.
Marshall
- Original Message -
*From:* Dee <mailto:d...@deetroy.org>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Monday, July 21, 2008 7:23 AM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria
I suppose if we knew *how* silver kills bacteria, then we could
find out how they can become resistant. I had always thought that
bacteria couldn't become resistant because silver doesn't work in
the same way as ABX's. Dee
/---Original Message---/
/*From:*/ M. G. Devour <mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com>
/*Date:*/ 21/07/2008 02:36:39
/*To:*/ silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
/*Subject:*/ Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria
I agree it is quite interesting, Michael.
The only silver resistant bacteria we've heard about before were found
in mineral deposits where silver was in high concentration in the
growth medium. Resistance was quickly lost by future generations
of the
"bugs" when removed from the silver rich environment. At least a few
common types of bacteria were found to behave this way if I remember
the stories right.
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Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria
It does not say the silver become resistant. There are many bacteria that thrive in extreme conditions, and a silver rich environment can qualify as that. It is a specific species found in a mineral deposit in nature, not one in a living body. On Jul 21, 2008, at 6:23 AM, Dee wrote: I suppose if we knew *how* silver kills bacteria, then we could find out how they can become resistant. I had always thought that bacteria couldn't become resistant because silver doesn't work in the same way as ABX's. Dee ---Original Message--- From: M. G. Devour Date: 21/07/2008 02:36:39 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria I agree it is quite interesting, Michael. The only silver resistant bacteria we've heard about before were found in mineral deposits where silver was in high concentration in the growth medium. Resistance was quickly lost by future generations of the "bugs" when removed from the silver rich environment. At least a few common types of bacteria were found to behave this way if I remember the stories right. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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The silver used to produce collodial silver water and silver current is not
silver alone. It usually contains something else. The purest silver I've seen
on line is 99.99 percent pure. It's the impurity that creates an island of
saftey for the bacteria. It evolves very fast. Soon the entire bacteria is an
island of safety against silver. We are in an international antibiotic crisis
because bacteria adapts to antibiotics quickly. I say in my blog today that I
wish I was more bacteria like in dealing with this stuff. I passed on the
dnafrequencies.com post. I think the next best selling silver maker and ces
unit on the market will have a led filter on it or a led filter extension unit
on it. It shouldn't be hard to construct or modify. I've been using water
filters and coffee filters with good results. Try it. Wrap a magnet in a coffee
filter and see what happens. You get an entirerly different magnetic.
Filter those machines!
And make some cash...
=z=
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The novelist, journalist and psychologist
Michael Zangari
http://zangarijournalism.com
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From: Faith Gagne
Subject: Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
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I thought that silver strangles (so to speak) bacteria. How can bacteria
become resistant to non-breathing? I mean, can one become resistant to a
pillow over one's airways? Faith g.
- Original Message -
From: Dee
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria
I suppose if we knew *how* silver kills bacteria, then we could find out how
they can become resistant. I had always thought that bacteria couldn't become
resistant because silver doesn't work in the same way as ABX's. Dee
---Original Message---
From: M. G. Devour
Date: 21/07/2008 02:36:39
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria
I agree it is quite interesting, Michael.
The only silver resistant bacteria we've heard about before were found
in mineral deposits where silver was in high concentration in the
growth medium. Resistance was quickly lost by future generations of the
"bugs" when removed from the silver rich environment. At least a few
common types of bacteria were found to behave this way if I remember
the stories right.
Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria
I thought that silver strangles (so to speak) bacteria. How can bacteria
become resistant to non-breathing? I mean, can one become resistant to a
pillow over one's airways? Faith g.
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From: Dee
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria
I suppose if we knew *how* silver kills bacteria, then we could find
out how they can become resistant. I had always thought that bacteria couldn't
become resistant because silver doesn't work in the same way as ABX's. Dee
---Original Message---
From: M. G. Devour
Date: 21/07/2008 02:36:39
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria
I agree it is quite interesting, Michael.
The only silver resistant bacteria we've heard about before were found
in mineral deposits where silver was in high concentration in the
growth medium. Resistance was quickly lost by future generations of the
"bugs" when removed from the silver rich environment. At least a few
common types of bacteria were found to behave this way if I remember
the stories right.
Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria
This is the first I have read about "silver resistant" bacteria. Well, over the millennia, bacteria have adapted to many challenges, so I guess it would not be surprising if they adapted to silver eventually. However, it is not clear that this is immanent. For instance, there is this laboratory study from the Mesosilver site showing that silver is effective against E. coli: http://www.silver-colloids.com/misc/Meso_vs_Sovereign-E-coli.pdf Our personal experience also indicates otherwise, having "cured" an acute case of E. coli in a two year old with colloidal silver and d-Mannose. I did a little additional research, and discovered that (so far at least), the silver resistance gene is very rare and, even when present, does not make the bacteria immune to silver. Most of the tests have to do with the effectiveness of silver for wound care, as this is the most widely used mainstream application. One study I read concluded: "If bacteria can become resistant to methicillin, can they also become resistant to silver? Several silver-resistant bacteria have been found, and the silver-resistance genes have been identified and sequenced, said Steven Percival, Ph.D., ConvaTec Wound Therapeutics, Flintshire, UK. He took 110 samples of bacteria from diabetic foot ulcers and screened them to find 12 samples with the silver-resistance genes. They inoculated the bacteria in agar plates, with silver bandages, and the silver killed the bacteria even though they had silver-resistance genes. The bacteria with silver-resistance genes were Enterobacter cloacae, an intestinal bacterium which is usually not a pathogen in wounds. The bacteria which are pathogens in wounds, Staphylococcus aureus and Pseudomonas aeruginosa, didn't have silver resistance genes." Like Mike said, it is something to keep an eye on, but would appear not to be much of a problem at this time. Del - Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" To: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:36 PM Subject: Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria I agree it is quite interesting, Michael. The only silver resistant bacteria we've heard about before were found in mineral deposits where silver was in high concentration in the growth medium. Resistance was quickly lost by future generations of the "bugs" when removed from the silver rich environment. At least a few common types of bacteria were found to behave this way if I remember the stories right. If at least a few bacteria pathogenic in humans turn out to have this ability as well, *and* it can be turned on by the kind of exposure to silver that occurs with routine CS use, then this can become a problem. I suspect (and hope!) we're not on the verge of wholesale silver resistance of run-of-the-mill bacteria in everyday life. Not if ongoing, mult-generational exposure is needed to turn on that defense mechanism, and removal from the silver-rich environment breaks the cycle. In a word, I won't panic yet. Worth watching, definitely. Thanks for the heads-up, Trem. Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I suppose if we knew *how* silver kills bacteria, then we could find out how they can become resistant. I had always thought that bacteria couldn't become resistant because silver doesn't work in the same way as ABX's. Dee ---Original Message--- From: M. G. Devour Date: 21/07/2008 02:36:39 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria I agree it is quite interesting, Michael. The only silver resistant bacteria we've heard about before were found in mineral deposits where silver was in high concentration in the growth medium. Resistance was quickly lost by future generations of the "bugs" when removed from the silver rich environment. At least a few common types of bacteria were found to behave this way if I remember the stories right.
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Thank you for the additional information and the balanced perspective. =z= The novelist, journalist and psychologist Michael Zangari http://zangarijournalism.com --- On Sun, 7/20/08, M. G. Devour wrote: From: M. G. Devour Subject: Re: CS>Silver resistant bacteria To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 5:36 PM I agree it is quite interesting, Michael. The only silver resistant bacteria we've heard about before were found in mineral deposits where silver was in high concentration in the growth medium. Resistance was quickly lost by future generations of the "bugs" when removed from the silver rich environment. At least a few common types of bacteria were found to behave this way if I remember the stories right. If at least a few bacteria pathogenic in humans turn out to have this ability as well, *and* it can be turned on by the kind of exposure to silver that occurs with routine CS use, then this can become a problem. I suspect (and hope!) we're not on the verge of wholesale silver resistance of run-of-the-mill bacteria in everyday life. Not if ongoing, mult-generational exposure is needed to turn on that defense mechanism, and removal from the silver-rich environment breaks the cycle. In a word, I won't panic yet. Worth watching, definitely. Thanks for the heads-up, Trem. Be well, Mike D. Michael Zangari wrote: > This is one of the most important stories I've read in the last decade. > Trem wrote: > Saw this on one of lists I'm subscribed to. > > Trem > > > Hi everyone, > > When looking up some information about a bacteria, I came across some > information at PubMed about silver resistance genes. There were actually > several bacteria mentioned in article titles - Salmonella, E. coli, > Serratia. There may be more, especially among enteric (intestinal) > bacteria. This information does not seem to be common knowledge in the > althealth community... so if colloidal silver is not working for you or > someone you know, resistance may be part of the reason why. > > Here is information from one article abstract, PubMed number 12829274. > There are also a number of related articles available. > > Bacterial silver resistance: molecular biology and uses and misuses of > silver compounds. FEMS Microbiol Rev. 2003 Jun;27(2-3): 341-53 > > Resistance to silver compounds as determined by bacterial plasmids and > genes has been defined by molecular genetics. Silver resistance > conferred by the Salmonella plasmid pMGH100 involves nine genes in three > transcription units...[snip] ...Of 70 random enteric isolates from a > local hospital, isolates from catheters and other Ag-exposed sites, and > total genomes of enteric bacteria, 10 have recognizable sil genes. The > centrally located six genes are found and functional in the chromosome > of Escherichia coli K-12, and also occur on the genome of E. coli > O157:H7. The use of molecular epidemiological tools will establish the > range and diversity of such resistance systems in clinical and > non-clinical sources. Silver compounds are used widely as effective > antimicrobial agents to combat pathogens (bacteria, viruses and > eukaryotic microorganisms) in the clinic and for public health hygiene. > Silver cations (Ag+) are microcidal at low concentrations and used to > treat burns, wounds and ulcers. Ag is used to coat catheters to retard > microbial biofilm development. Ag is used in hygiene products including > face creams, "alternative medicine" health supplements, supermarket > products for washing vegetables, and water filtration cartridges. Ag is > generally without adverse effects for humans, and argyria (irreversible > discoloration of the skin resulting from subepithelial silver deposits) > is rare and mostly of cosmetic concern. > > Best wishes, > Char > www.dnafrequencies. com > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I agree it is quite interesting, Michael. The only silver resistant bacteria we've heard about before were found in mineral deposits where silver was in high concentration in the growth medium. Resistance was quickly lost by future generations of the "bugs" when removed from the silver rich environment. At least a few common types of bacteria were found to behave this way if I remember the stories right. If at least a few bacteria pathogenic in humans turn out to have this ability as well, *and* it can be turned on by the kind of exposure to silver that occurs with routine CS use, then this can become a problem. I suspect (and hope!) we're not on the verge of wholesale silver resistance of run-of-the-mill bacteria in everyday life. Not if ongoing, mult-generational exposure is needed to turn on that defense mechanism, and removal from the silver-rich environment breaks the cycle. In a word, I won't panic yet. Worth watching, definitely. Thanks for the heads-up, Trem. Be well, Mike D. Michael Zangari wrote: > This is one of the most important stories I've read in the last decade. > Trem wrote: > Saw this on one of lists I'm subscribed to. > > Trem > > > Hi everyone, > > When looking up some information about a bacteria, I came across some > information at PubMed about silver resistance genes. There were actually > several bacteria mentioned in article titles - Salmonella, E. coli, > Serratia. There may be more, especially among enteric (intestinal) > bacteria. This information does not seem to be common knowledge in the > althealth community... so if colloidal silver is not working for you or > someone you know, resistance may be part of the reason why. > > Here is information from one article abstract, PubMed number 12829274. > There are also a number of related articles available. > > Bacterial silver resistance: molecular biology and uses and misuses of > silver compounds. FEMS Microbiol Rev. 2003 Jun;27(2-3): 341-53 > > Resistance to silver compounds as determined by bacterial plasmids and > genes has been defined by molecular genetics. Silver resistance > conferred by the Salmonella plasmid pMGH100 involves nine genes in three > transcription units...[snip] ...Of 70 random enteric isolates from a > local hospital, isolates from catheters and other Ag-exposed sites, and > total genomes of enteric bacteria, 10 have recognizable sil genes. The > centrally located six genes are found and functional in the chromosome > of Escherichia coli K-12, and also occur on the genome of E. coli > O157:H7. The use of molecular epidemiological tools will establish the > range and diversity of such resistance systems in clinical and > non-clinical sources. Silver compounds are used widely as effective > antimicrobial agents to combat pathogens (bacteria, viruses and > eukaryotic microorganisms) in the clinic and for public health hygiene. > Silver cations (Ag+) are microcidal at low concentrations and used to > treat burns, wounds and ulcers. Ag is used to coat catheters to retard > microbial biofilm development. Ag is used in hygiene products including > face creams, "alternative medicine" health supplements, supermarket > products for washing vegetables, and water filtration cartridges. Ag is > generally without adverse effects for humans, and argyria (irreversible > discoloration of the skin resulting from subepithelial silver deposits) > is rare and mostly of cosmetic concern. > > Best wishes, > Char > www.dnafrequencies. com > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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This is one of the most important stories I've read in the last decade. =z= The novelist, journalist and psychologist Michael Zangari http://zangarijournalism.com --- On Sun, 7/20/08, trem wrote: From: trem Subject: CS>Silver resistant bacteria To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 12:04 PM Saw this on one of lists I'm subscribed to. Trem Hi everyone, When looking up some information about a bacteria, I came across some information at PubMed about silver resistance genes. There were actually several bacteria mentioned in article titles - Salmonella, E. coli, Serratia. There may be more, especially among enteric (intestinal) bacteria. This information does not seem to be common knowledge in the althealth community... so if colloidal silver is not working for you or someone you know, resistance may be part of the reason why. Here is information from one article abstract, PubMed number 12829274. There are also a number of related articles available. Bacterial silver resistance: molecular biology and uses and misuses of silver compounds. FEMS Microbiol Rev. 2003 Jun;27(2-3): 341-53 Resistance to silver compounds as determined by bacterial plasmids and genes has been defined by molecular genetics. Silver resistance conferred by the Salmonella plasmid pMGH100 involves nine genes in three transcription units...[snip] ...Of 70 random enteric isolates from a local hospital, isolates from catheters and other Ag-exposed sites, and total genomes of enteric bacteria, 10 have recognizable sil genes. The centrally located six genes are found and functional in the chromosome of Escherichia coli K-12, and also occur on the genome of E. coli O157:H7. The use of molecular epidemiological tools will establish the range and diversity of such resistance systems in clinical and non-clinical sources. Silver compounds are used widely as effective antimicrobial agents to combat pathogens (bacteria, viruses and eukaryotic microorganisms) in the clinic and for public health hygiene. Silver cations (Ag+) are microcidal at low concentrations and used to treat burns, wounds and ulcers. Ag is used to coat catheters to retard microbial biofilm development. Ag is used in hygiene products including face creams, "alternative medicine" health supplements, supermarket products for washing vegetables, and water filtration cartridges. Ag is generally without adverse effects for humans, and argyria (irreversible discoloration of the skin resulting from subepithelial silver deposits) is rare and mostly of cosmetic concern. Best wishes, Char www.dnafrequencies. com
CS>Silver resistant bacteria
Saw this on one of lists I'm subscribed to. Trem Hi everyone, When looking up some information about a bacteria, I came across some information at PubMed about silver resistance genes. There were actually several bacteria mentioned in article titles - Salmonella, E. coli, Serratia. There may be more, especially among enteric (intestinal) bacteria. This information does not seem to be common knowledge in the althealth community...so if colloidal silver is not working for you or someone you know, resistance may be part of the reason why. Here is information from one article abstract, PubMed number 12829274. There are also a number of related articles available. Bacterial silver resistance: molecular biology and uses and misuses of silver compounds. FEMS Microbiol Rev. 2003 Jun;27(2-3):341-53 Resistance to silver compounds as determined by bacterial plasmids and genes has been defined by molecular genetics. Silver resistance conferred by the Salmonella plasmid pMGH100 involves nine genes in three transcription units...[snip]...Of 70 random enteric isolates from a local hospital, isolates from catheters and other Ag-exposed sites, and total genomes of enteric bacteria, 10 have recognizable sil genes. The centrally located six genes are found and functional in the chromosome of Escherichia coli K-12, and also occur on the genome of E. coli O157:H7. The use of molecular epidemiological tools will establish the range and diversity of such resistance systems in clinical and non-clinical sources. Silver compounds are used widely as effective antimicrobial agents to combat pathogens (bacteria, viruses and eukaryotic microorganisms) in the clinic and for public health hygiene. Silver cations (Ag+) are microcidal at low concentrations and used to treat burns, wounds and ulcers. Ag is used to coat catheters to retard microbial biofilm development. Ag is used in hygiene products including face creams, "alternative medicine" health supplements, supermarket products for washing vegetables, and water filtration cartridges. Ag is generally without adverse effects for humans, and argyria (irreversible discoloration of the skin resulting from subepithelial silver deposits) is rare and mostly of cosmetic concern. Best wishes, Char www.dnafrequencies.com
CS>silver-resistant bacteria
Here's an interesting one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/533416.stm __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hmmm. I didn't find the article particularly offensive (unlike quackwatch). It's published by the APUA which I know nothing about except what their name implies... Alliance for the Prudent Use of Antibiotics. I didn't find the article to be a smear campaign against the use of CS, anymore so than the use of anti-biotics in general. On the other hand, if what they are talking about is not the same *substance* as what we/YOU know of as CS, then there's really no story here. kuku _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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The sort of " selective" commentary as perpetrated by these "hired guns" hardly deserves serious consderation. The initial "techno=fog" is designed to establish early credibility among the general readership. The critical reviewer will quickly identify the absence of any attemptscholarly or otherwise---to discuss the effects of uncompounded colloidal silver; comparisons of effectivity and toxic reactions occurring among users of silver compounds and/or true colloidal silver, etc. One is especially struck by the neat avoidance---by the authors---of ANY COMMENTS on the effects of ingested silver compounds and/or uncompounded colloidal silverother than the lame, generalized, allusion to argyria.. Such blatant pandering to the "party line" of the Alleopathic Medicine/Pharmaceutical Cartel ( called STEERING in subliminal advertising circles) invokes the gag reflex in moral individuals. I suppose the facet of this epistle which infuriates me most. is the total disregard for even the possibility-that any portion of the "public-at-large" has enough intelligence/knowledge to recognize this most-elementary form of propagandizing. I would encourage each to reflect on Carlisle's admonition, "The educated man stands midst a boundless arsenal". Some individuals, much more learned than me, believe that educationlike spiritual evolution-occurs in groups of ONE. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. Original Message - From: "kukurippa _" To: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 7:31 PM Subject: CS>Silver resistant bacteria? > > Hi y'all, > > I found this of interest... it's about the emergence of silver-resitant > bacteria. Perhaps those of you with a scientific background can be > critical... > > http://www.healthsci.tufts.edu/apua/Newsletter/17_3a.html > > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
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Hello kukurippa, Monday, August 20, 2001, 8:31:06 PM, you wrote: k_> Hi y'all, k_> I found this of interest... it's about the emergence of silver-resitant k_> bacteria. Perhaps those of you with a scientific background can be k_> critical... k_> http://www.healthsci.tufts.edu/apua/Newsletter/17_3a.html This is an old article. It has been hashed and rehashed. Look in the archives. I believe it was earlier this year. Read the article carefully, and what it states is basically anything from a pharmaceutical company is just fine, and anything that isn't is very bad. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Interesting article. At first I though it was going to be a good article, that was based in fact. However after reading it, it seems apparent that the author has not the foggest idea of the difference between Ag0 and Ag+. All of the mechanisms he gave for silver resistance were specific for Ag+. But then he continued and stated that this resistance is being selected for by uses of products that are Ag0. Not likely. Colloidal silver is Ag0, and is generally considered to be much more effective than Ag+ (compounds of silver). The confusion of the two seems to me to be rather absurd for a researcher. Anyway, is appears that none of the mechanisms of resistance he shows would be a problem for the colloidal part of CS since they are for Ag+ and true colloidal silver is Ag0. Marshall kukurippa _ wrote: > Hi y'all, > > I found this of interest... it's about the emergence of silver-resitant > bacteria. Perhaps those of you with a scientific background can be > critical... > > http://www.healthsci.tufts.edu/apua/Newsletter/17_3a.html > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
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One rather insignificant error, albeit an error: Microdyn is not a gelatin. It is a liquid. What is the motivation here -- to lay the groundwork for establishing some kind of controls on silver products for allegedly inducing bacterial mutation? Gee, don't all antibiotics do that, and hasn't the FDA known that pharmaceutical houses have been producing mutant bacteria for about 60 years now? Who funded this study? - Original Message - From: kukurippa _ To: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 7:31 PM Subject: CS>Silver resistant bacteria? > > Hi y'all, > > I found this of interest... it's about the emergence of silver-resitant > bacteria. Perhaps those of you with a scientific background can be > critical... > > http://www.healthsci.tufts.edu/apua/Newsletter/17_3a.html > > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>Silver resistant bacteria?
Hi y'all, I found this of interest... it's about the emergence of silver-resitant bacteria. Perhaps those of you with a scientific background can be critical... http://www.healthsci.tufts.edu/apua/Newsletter/17_3a.html _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Characterization of silver resistant bacteria isolated from a mining environment. - Ph.D. -U. Teknologi Malaysia, 1993 http://www.mylib.com.my/general/scholar/theses002j.html An interesting link with reference to a genetic factor in silver resistance: http://www.healthsci.tufts.edu/apua/Newsletter/17_3a.html A list of 9 silver resistant bacteria (and references) : http://hills.ccsf.cc.ca.us/~jinouy01/silver/slv_micr.html Regards, George Martin -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
