Re: CSCS video
Terry, I have been onto Silver for 4/5 years now but it still amazes me what it is capable of. Will this product still get FDA backing despite their latest turnaround on alternative therapies and does any one know how this silver solution is different to the CS that we are making at home ? thanks - Richard On 01/05/2007, at 19:56, Terry Chamberlin wrote: Somebody watch this video and give feedback. (Techies) http://nutronix.typepad.com/healthyagainbiz/2007/04/ keith_moeller_o.html Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS video
Dee said, Excellent video and very convincing, although it would make people wary of other products other than the one being sold That was my complaint. The speaker manipulated the audiences impressions. He never SAID that all other products were dangerous or ineffective, but he implied it (plausible deniability). He started right off by defining 'ionic' as a chemical process, which CAN be accurate. But, in fact, 'ionic' simply means a particle with a charge, whether caused by a chemical or electric process (as we do). From that point on, I knew not to trust him, as he either was not the authority he claimed to be, or else he was in fact deliberately misleading his audience, which he was. He made the distinct point that everybody else but them uses DC electricity to brew their CS, then referred to 'ionic' as coming from a chemical process, which would NOT be a DC process. The great effort he made to cause the unscientific to come to the conclusions he wanted them to (that their product was fundamentally different than and superior to anything else on the planet) did more to convince me that, were my product (or almost anyone else's) to have been that used in their testing, the results would have been similar. If I had the money to buy EPA officials, I could do what they are doing (they are owned, in fact, by Clifton Silver Mines). It was the same ole Barnum Bailey type of marketing, conning the gullible, taking advantage of the listeners ignorance and lack of familiarity with the subject to misguide (deceive) them into coming to the right conclusions, promising wonderous results and threatening dire consequences for even considering the competitions products. The ole Carrot Stick ploy. To have to resort to this kind of marketing hype convinces me of the validity of our own home-made stuff even more. Methinks Thou Dost Protest too much (or too dishonestly). Terry chamberlin Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS video
Producing documents from quoted sources, would go a long way in establishing credibility for his silver. He makes claims of the germ killing power of his product, and it may well do so. With me the jury is still out. While I have some skepticism, I will not condemn it without investigation, ALA Spenser. Ed, ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: CSCS video
On 5/2/07, Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca wrote: The great effort he made to cause the unscientific to come to the conclusions he wanted them to (that their product was fundamentally different than and superior to anything else on the planet) did more to convince me that, were my product (or almost anyone else's) to have been that used in their testing, the results would have been similar.-- Yes. I'm afraid I'm not technical enough to comment on a lot of what he said but I did study research methods and some of his statements made my hackles rise - they were so misleading. For instance his claim that his product would not kill friendly bacteria in your digestive system. this may well be true but the statement doesn't bear up to analysis. For instance it could mean that the product doesn't kill friendly bacteria period or it could mean it doesn't kill any bacteria in your digestive system which I tend to believe is more probable. Also his claims of all the things that were cured in African hospitals including retro viruses. I'd like to know exactly what they mean by 'cured'. I wasn't aware that anyone would claim a 'cure' for these so I'd like to now what tests were done. And wasn't his story about his kid cute and designed to play into the fears of all parents without actually telling us anything. Very clever psychology. I'm quite happy to stck to my little nine volt batteries and my silver wires. Kirsteen
Re: CSCS video
Thanks, Terry. It did not settle well with me either. Almost seems as if they are attempting to position themselves as the authority on CS as we draw closer to the apparent governmental scrutiny of our silver mineral water. The bureaucrats, undoubtedly, love the idea that they have some sort of supposed authority leading their 3-ring circus. Keeps them from having to do the actual homework. If I have to defend that which I already know is true, I never trusted it in the first place. Keep on truckin'. In His Service, Scott Young Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca wrote: Dee said, Excellent video and very convincing, although it would make people wary of other products other than the one being sold That was my complaint. The speaker manipulated the audiences impressions. He never SAID that all other products were dangerous or ineffective, but he implied it (plausible deniability). He started right off by defining 'ionic' as a chemical process, which CAN be accurate. But, in fact, 'ionic' simply means a particle with a charge, whether caused by a chemical or electric process (as we do). From that point on, I knew not to trust him, as he either was not the authority he claimed to be, or else he was in fact deliberately misleading his audience, which he was. He made the distinct point that everybody else but them uses DC electricity to brew their CS, then referred to 'ionic' as coming from a chemical process, which would NOT be a DC process. The great effort he made to cause the unscientific to come to the conclusions he wanted them to (that their product was fundamentally different than and superior to anything else on the planet) did more to convince me that, were my product (or almost anyone else's) to have been that used in their testing, the results would have been similar. If I had the money to buy EPA officials, I could do what they are doing (they are owned, in fact, by Clifton Silver Mines). It was the same ole Barnum Bailey type of marketing, conning the gullible, taking advantage of the listeners ignorance and lack of familiarity with the subject to misguide (deceive) them into coming to the right conclusions, promising wonderous results and threatening dire consequences for even considering the competitions products. The ole Carrot Stick ploy. To have to resort to this kind of marketing hype convinces me of the validity of our own home-made stuff even more. Methinks Thou Dost Protest too much (or too dishonestly). Terry chamberlin Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
RE: CSCS video
It is not clear who the audience was for this presentation. Most likely many were not technically oriented. However, I did notice a lack of specifics on how tests were done and how some of his statements were defined. There was some technical data on the concentrations used in some of the tests, but the tests themselves were not well defined. The fact that it appeared that they had actually done some clinical and lab trials is impressive. One big problem is that he never defined what his new silver solution really was. It implied that it was different than other silvers, but he did not characterize it in any meaningful way. He did imply that it was different in that it didn't have to actually contact the pathogen, that it emitted a frequency that somehow overcame them. A very brave statement. The clip is way too long for me to listen to again to clear up any of these issues that I may have missed, but that was my impression. Dan -Original Message- From: Terry Chamberlin [mailto:tcj...@yahoo.ca] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 12:56 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCS video Somebody watch this video and give feedback. (Techies) http://nutronix.typepad.com/healthyagainbiz/2007/04/keith_moeller_o.html Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS video
Hi Terry, I felt the same way as you did Terry. It would have been more convincing to me if their research compared their product to the EIS made from a competent CS generator. Now that would be interesting. One point they made was that the size of particles was not so important as direct contact of a pathogen and silver was unnecessary. He said something about the frequency emitted by their nanoparticles was sufficient to produce results without contact. OK, whatever. I'd sure like to peruse his patient and see more on that effect. Do you know the name of the company/entity holding the patients? Fred Terry Chamberlin wrote: Dee said, Excellent video and very convincing, although it would make people wary of other products other than the one being sold That was my complaint. The speaker manipulated the audiences impressions. He never SAID that all other products were dangerous or ineffective, but he implied it (plausible deniability). He started right off by defining 'ionic' as a chemical process, which CAN be accurate. But, in fact, 'ionic' simply means a particle with a charge, whether caused by a chemical or electric process (as we do). From that point on, I knew not to trust him, as he either was not the authority he claimed to be, or else he was in fact deliberately misleading his audience, which he was. He made the distinct point that everybody else but them uses DC electricity to brew their CS, then referred to 'ionic' as coming from a chemical process, which would NOT be a DC process. The great effort he made to cause the unscientific to come to the conclusions he wanted them to (that their product was fundamentally different than and superior to anything else on the planet) did more to convince me that, were my product (or almost anyone else's) to have been that used in their testing, the results would have been similar. If I had the money to buy EPA officials, I could do what they are doing (they are owned, in fact, by Clifton Silver Mines). It was the same ole Barnum Bailey type of marketing, conning the gullible, taking advantage of the listeners ignorance and lack of familiarity with the subject to misguide (deceive) them into coming to the right conclusions, promising wonderous results and threatening dire consequences for even considering the competitions products. The ole Carrot Stick ploy. To have to resort to this kind of marketing hype convinces me of the validity of our own home-made stuff even more. Methinks Thou Dost Protest too much (or too dishonestly). Terry chamberlin Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com .
CSCS video
Somebody watch this video and give feedback. (Techies) http://nutronix.typepad.com/healthyagainbiz/2007/04/keith_moeller_o.html Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS video
Excellent video and very convincing, although it would make people wary of other products other than the one being sold I think. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Terry Chamberlin Date: 05/01/07 18:57:10 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCS video Somebody watch this video and give feedback. (Techies) http://nutronix.typepad.com/healthyagainbiz/2007/04/keith_moeller_o.html Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca --
