Re: CSFTC regulations?
Hi Corbin; I have bladder infections as a part of my life due to spinal cord injury, and have also had candida albicans as a result of taking course after course of antibiotics to kill the bacteria. I had also bladder stones, which acted as a hiding place for the bacteria; they'd just find tiny places to lurk in the stone until the antibiotic deluge was over, then come out and set up shop again. Discouraging and frightening, spent most of a year in this back-and-forth fashion, getting sicker and sicker. Finally the docs decided to xray me, found the faint trace of a small shadow, did a visual inspection with a 'borescope' up the urethra (stark terror time, but not as bad as you'd think) and found it. Removed the stone under complete anaesthesia, using a laser to break it up and flushing the particles out, and that was that. This scenario repeated a couple of years later, and then I learned to keep my urine acidic - primarily by taking lots of Vitamin C. I also use a buffered citric acid magnesium citrate solution called Suby's G to irrigate; 60 ml as a rinse, followed by 60 ml retained each time I cath. I will still get occasional infections, but they are controllable - they go away when I treat them, and don't come back when I stop. Recently I started using CS as the irrigant instead of the Suby's G solution, taking great care to use a good quality of DW to make my CS, and near as I can tell it works as well as the Suby's, maybe better. I haven't yet tried just CS alone as prophylaxis, taking it both by mouth and using it topically, so no claims about it's ability to 'cure'. I might yet follow a suggestion by Kevin Nolan and use a very dilute Citric acid solution to make the CS in. You can check out his posts about this in the archive. So, on to finer things; I think Ian's point was not that CS is ineffective - far from it! Rather he was emphasizing the fact, widely known, that silver colloids act on microorganisms in a way that is completely different from all antibiotics, antivirals, antifungals or what-have-you that the pharmaceutical companies are putting out. This is one reason that the bugs cannot develop a resistance to it's action. I'm not saying they don't hide out in other tissues or foreign materials where the silver will not reach, just that they do not develop resistance. The ABX, on the other hand, permeate (almost) our entire organism, and as you point out they are extremely toxic to non-resistant target bugs so dilute quantities are effective just about everywhere within us. At least they're effective until the bug develops some defense against the poison. CS works by somehow messing up the microorganism's cell wall, which is pretty much the same stuff in bacteria as in fungi and virii, (but very different than animal cell wall,) so that it just stops working; no food in, no waste out, no ion concentration regulating, so the cell dies. This is somewhat like what a bacterium that forms spores does when it meets a harsh environment; it reduces it's size, makes a thick resistant 'skin' around itself, and almost ceases any activity - like in suspended animation. But it takes time for the bug to recognize that it's environment has gone bad, and to make the adaptation to spore existence. Contact with silver doesn't allow this time. silversw...@yahoo.com wrote: sorry Ian Roe I strongly have to disagree with you saying that CS is not an antiobiotic. Because I have 100% proof that it does work, coming from experince and one who is infected with Ureaplasma urealyticum,(bladder,kidney and UT, and possibly co-infected with Chlamydia Trach) . . . . . . . . . . . . . However the org can quickly adapt to the new samples of CS within 1-2 days, where it is not longer as powerful. I believe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . just like atibioitcs, the org can quickly adapt itself to become resistant to the CS. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The problem is the CS cant seem to get it all and and all areas of the tissues, because this is an org which both surives outside your cells as well as inside, . . . . . . . If it wasnt for my zappers and CS I would be in more pain than than I am now. Corbin Ian Roe wrote: Well first of all, silver is not an antibiotic, doesn't work like an antibiotic at all. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:20:22 -0700 In reference to 650 diseases, Marshall wrote: It might have to do with how fine you break things down. Does the flu count as one, or 2 dozen varieties? Does HIV count as one or 3 major varieties, or hundreds of sub varieties? ** Some member submitted reference to an article on the subject of silver as a germ killer- - - the date of the article was in the late 1930s. the number 650 was stated then. were there 24 varieties back then ? Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 02:55:46 -0700 Ken asked: Was it Zane Zebrowski [sp] who was the source of the 650 figure??? I'm sure that wasn't the name. Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Are you thinking of Zane Baranowski, CN., who wrote Colloidal Silver: The Natural Antibiotic? -James Allison - Original Message - From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 6:04 PM Subject: Re: CSFTC regulations? From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 02:55:46 -0700 Ken asked: Was it Zane Zebrowski [sp] who was the source of the 650 figure??? I'm sure that wasn't the name. Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSFTC regulations?
Thanks all for your responses!
David
-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:55 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSFTC regulations?
The accurate statement is ... Kills 650 disease organisms.
I believe this can be verified.
That doesn't state that CS cures any diseases.
It seems logical that if you say, So and so says..blah blah blah
That
the burden of proof belongs to so and so. [especially if you also say
that
we don't know for sure if 'so and so' knows what he's talking about]
Of course, we all know about logic and the law. An L is about all
they
have in common.
IMOI think that a person can say whatever they want to as long as
it's
made clear that it's an opinion
I believe, I think, so and so thinks, Seems like, looks like, could be,
according to etc.
More doctors recommend 'this' drug than all other drugs combined {No
doctors recommend combining all other drugs and remain doctors for very
long}
Disclaimer:
Everyone has one these days...like a middle name given at birth by
lawyers.
I am not an actor, I just play one in real life.
I do not intend to make any recommendations what-so-ever as to the use
or
effectiveness for any purpose of colloidal silver. The ONLY claim that
is
made is to produce a high quality product.
All testimonies are to be presumed non scientific observations and do
not
constitute proof of anything.
[Whatever proof is.]
This does not mean that all observations are 100% accurate. There could
be
other factors involved.
.on the other hand...observations could also be very accurate
I know how amazed 'I ' am...and that's all I know. The rest is
opinion
based on observations.
Observations may not be 100% accurate. [Since when are scientific
establishments 100%?] Most likely, Nothing is 100% accurate. [Nothing
just
might be the ONLY thing that IS 100% accurate? ..If I say nothing, I
can't
possibly state something inaccurately, right?]
I say what I see, think and do...not what YOU should.
You have a brain too.
Use it.
Ken
Ken
At 02:53 PM 9/16/02 -0700, you wrote:
From: silversw...@yahoo.com silversw...@yahoo.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:34:41 -0700 (PDT)
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSFTC regulations?
Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:34:46 -0700
HI I was wondering If I can get away with putting the
following on my website for the main page, Colloidal
silver is a powerful nautural antibiotic that has been
around since the early Greeks and Romans. According to
early 1900 records over 650 bacteria, virues, and
fungi were considered treatable with silver.
**
Well Corbin it is good that you asked.
Loose the word natural - there is
nothing natural about COLLOIDAL
silver that I have read. It is a
manufactured product.
It's not 650 bacteria, viruses. and
fungi...
the number 650 is referring to various
illnesses that can be cured - and that
number 650 can't be confirmed,
try thousands in that sentence,
( and I feel that is a low number).
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Could be I do tend to believe what people say on this list more than what a huckster trying to sell something says. Was it Zane Zebrowski [sp] who was the source of the 650 figure??? Ken Ken writes: The accurate statement is ... Kills 650 disease organisms. I believe this can be verified. Sorry Ken, but I questioned the amount 650, and from the few replies that I received, plus the different diseases I could find. I didn't even get close to 200. I still doubt the 650, but I think that what ever the actual number is it's a bunch. Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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There's a big difference between treating a disease in a person and killing a disease organism in a test tube. The 650 figure would refer to the latter. It may have come from a list of known disease organisms, few [if any] of which weren't killed in a test tube when many were tested with that number extrapolated to include the whole list? [iow..a guess?] Ken At 04:57 PM 9/18/02 -0700, you wrote: Hi List, I found reference to at least 118 (if I counted correctly) with a bibliography. Trem Appendix: The Reynolds Study Return to Top In 1995, Dr. Peter L. Reynolds (Ph.D., Provo Utah) documented many of the diseases proven to responsive to silver colloid treatment. The following is the list (in alphabetical order) of pathogens and conditions documented before 1938 where patients were being successfully treated using colloidal silver. Numeric references are to original sources listed in the Bibliography. Adenovirus 5, 23 Anthrax Bacilli 2, 3 Appendicitis 3 Aspergillus Niger 18 Axillæ and blind boils of the neck 10 Bacteria Coli 2 Bacteria Coli Communis 7 Bacteria Dysenteria 2 Bacteria Tubercolosis 7 Bacteria Pyocaneus 2 Bacillary Dysentery 4 Bacillius Typhosus 21 Bladder Irritation 12 Blepharitis (infection of the eyelids) 13 Boils 10 Bovine Rotavirus 23 Bromidrosis in Axille 12 Bromidrosis in Feet 10 Burns and wounds of the cornea 13 Candida Albicans 18, 25 Candida Globata 25 Cerebro-spinal Meningitis 3, 9 Chronic Cystitis 10 Chronic Eczema of Anterior Nares 10 Chronic Eczema of metus of ear 10 Colitis 4 Cystitis 8 Dacryocystitis 13 Dermatitis suggestive of toxæmia 4 Diarrhoea (diarrhea) 4 Diptheria 3 Dysentery 3, 6 Ear Affections 5 Enlarged Prostate 12 Entamoeba Histolytica (cysts) 24 Epiditymitis 10 Erysipelas 3 Escherichia Coli 17, 18, 21 Eustachian tubes (potency restored) 8 Follicular Tonsilitis 10 Furunculosis (Hidradenitis Suppurativa) 3 Gardnerella Vaginalis 25 Gonococcus 7 Gonorrhoea 10 Gonorrhoeal Conjunctivitis 10 Gonorrhoeal Opthalimia 13 Gonorrhoeal Prostratic Gleet 11 Hæmorrhoids 12 Hypopyon Ulcer 13 Impetigo 10 Infantile Disease 16 Infected ulcers of the cornea 13 Inflammatory Rheumatism 3 Influenze 11 Interstitial Keratitis 13 Intestinal troubles 6 Legionella Pneumophila (Legionaire's Disease) 17 Lesion Healing 12 Leucorrhoea 6 M. Furfur 25 Menier's Symptoms 6 Nasal Catarrh 5 Nasopharyngeal Catarrh (reduced) 8 Neisseria Gonorrhea 25 Oedematous enlargement of turbinates without true hyperplasia 9 Offensive discharge of chronic suppuration in Otitis Media 10 Ophthalmology 12 Opthalmic practices 5 Paramecium (Balantidium coli, Holophrya coli, Leukophrya coli, Balantidiasis) 1 Para-Typhoid 3 Perineal Eczema 12 Phlegmons 3 Phlyctenular Conjunctivitis 10 Pneumococci 2 Poliovirus 1 (Sabin strain) 23 Pruritis Ani 12 Pseudomonas Aeruginosa 17, 18 Puerperal Septicæmia 15 Purulent Opthalmia of infants 13 Pustular Eczema of scalp 10 Pyorrhoea Alveolaris (Riggs disease) 8 Quinsies 6 Rhinitis 9 Ringworm of the body 10 Salmonella 23 Salmonella Typhi 25 Scarlatina 3 Sepsis 16 Septic Tonsilitis 10 Septic Ulcers of the legs 10 Septicæmia 5, 8 Shingles 6 Soft Sores 10 Spore-forming Bacteria 24 Spring Catarrh 10 Sprue 6 Staphyloclysin (inhibits) 2 Staphylococcus Aureus 17, 25 Staphylococcus Pyogenea 7 Staphylococcus Pyogens Albus 2 Staphylococcus Pyogens Aureus 2 Streptococci 7 Streptococcus Fæcalis 17 Streptococcus Pyogenes 25 Subdues inflammation 12 Suppurative Appendicitis (post-op) 10 Tinea Versicolor 10 Tonsilitis 6 Typhoid 3 Typhoid Bacillus 14 Ulcerative Urticaria 4 Urticaria suggestive of toxæmia 12 Valsava's inflammation 8 Vegetative B. Cereus cells 24 Vincent's Angina 10 Vorticella 1 Warts 12 Whooping Cough 8 BIBLIOGRAPHY 1. Bechhold, H. (1919). Colloids in Biology and Medicine, translated by J. G. M. Bullow. D. Van Nostrand Company, New York, p. 367 2. Ibid., p. 368. 3. Ibid., p. 376. 4. Searle, A. B. (1919). The Use of Colloids in Health and Disease. (Quoting from the British Medical Journal, May 12, 1917). E. P. Dutton and Company: New York, p. 82 5. Ibid., (Quoting from the British Medical Journal, Jan. 15, l(s)17), p. 83. 6. Ibid., (Quoting Sir James Cantlie in the British Medical Journal, Nov. 15, 1913), p. 83. 7. Ibid., (Quoting Henry Crookes), p. 70. 8. Ibid., (Quoting J. Mark Hovell in the British Medical Journal, Dec. 15, 1917), p. 86. 9. Ibid., (Quoting B. Seymour Jones), p. 86. 10.Ibid., (Quoting C.E. A. MacLeod in Lancet, Feb. 3, 1912), p. 83. 11. Ibid., (Quoting J. MacMunn in the British Medical Journal, 1917, I, 685), p. 86. 12. Ibid., (Quoting Sir Malcom Morris in the British Medical Journal, May, 1917), p. 85. 13. Ibid., (Quoting A. Legge Roe in the British Medical Journal, Jan. 16, 1915), p. 83. 14. Ibid., (Quoting W. J. Simpson in Lancet, Dec. 12, 1914), pp. 71-72. 15. Ibid., (Quoting T. H. Anderson Wells in Lancet, Feb. 16, 1918), p.
Re: CSFTC regulations?
amalgum mostly..and lots of them. very conductive to heat and cold...takes a while for the tooth [or me] to get used to the difference. It could be that the human body is screaming in agony everywhere all the time. Feeling it might be a matter of having a given spot brought to our attention and we tend to forget or discount after a while. It is known that both pain and pleasure are an interpretation of a neutral signal...that very hot can very feel cold until the brain sorts it out...that some people get intense pleasure from being tortured...that hypnotism can block interpretation. Ken At 09:11 PM 9/18/02 EDT, you wrote: Ken: Are these amalgam fillings or composite? Thom In a message dated 9/16/2002 7:14:43 AM Central Daylight Time, coyote...@earthlink.net writes: CS has tended to stabiliize all my fillings. I purposely expose them to CS and with great results at the dentists office. It could be that the cs is closing up leaks and establishing some unaccustomed thermal conductivity similar to what a new filling does. It takes a while for a new filling to desensitize. Ken -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Yes! Makes me laugh! And I see that James makes the same point. So we could say Colloidal silver is antibiotic and leave out the an and be pedantically correct (as per definition) but as it meets the general definition in B I don't have any problem in leaving the an in Terry - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:49 PM Subject: Re: CSFTC regulations? But it does meet the adjective definition. So CS is antibiotic but is not an antibiotic. Would that be correct? Marshall Terry Dickinson wrote: English use - from the New Shorter Oxford Dictionary: antibiotic /%antIbVIQtIk/ a. n. m19. [f. anti- + Gk biotikos fit for life, f. bios life: see - otic.] A adj. ?1 Doubting the possibility of life (in a particular environment). m-l19. 2 Injurious to or destructive of living matter, esp. micro-organisms; of or pertaining to antibiotics. l19. B n. A substance which is capable of destroying or inhibiting the growth of bacteria or other micro- organisms; spec. one that is produced by another micro-organism (or is a synthetic analogue of a microbial product), and is used therapeutically. m20. So, for my pennorth, CS does not meet the specific noun definition. Terry - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:06 PM Subject: Re: CSFTC regulations? I believe by convention an antibiotic that is used on non-living things is called a disinfectant. The dictionary says that an antibiotic is anything that kills some forms of life. Marshall
Re: CSFTC regulations?
A university in utah has done a lot of invitro [test tube] tests and confirm at least most of the 650 is killed off, however, this doesn't mean that invivo [actual in body] will have the same result. Direct Contact with pathogens and delivery method are the limiters within a living person. CS will kill em if you can get it there. Ken At 12:09 PM 9/17/02 -0700, you wrote: The accurate statement is ... Kills 650 disease organisms. I believe this can be verified. How; haven't we been looking for these 650 for quite some time now? jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:23:53 + To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFTC regulations? Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:22:33 -0700 Mike writes: I think the definition that's important to *this* discussion is the FDA and FTC's definition of antibiotic. They're the ones that'll be enforcing *their* rules, so you'd better know what *they* think an antibiotic is, and be prepared to prove it... Good point, well taken. I've always wanted to say that in context :-) Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 06:54:38 -0400 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFTC regulations? Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 03:54:29 -0700 Ken writes: The accurate statement is ... Kills 650 disease organisms. I believe this can be verified. Sorry Ken, but I questioned the amount 650, and from the few replies that I received, plus the different diseases I could find. I didn't even get close to 200. I still doubt the 650, but I think that what ever the actual number is it's a bunch. Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Mark Metcalf, one of the original promoters of CS, promulgated that 650 statement years ago. His mail is: i...@silverprotects.com Perhaps asking him will lead to the source(s). James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Jack Dayton [mailto:jack...@harbornet.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 5:00 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFTC regulations? From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 06:54:38 -0400 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFTC regulations? Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 03:54:29 -0700 Ken writes: The accurate statement is ... Kills 650 disease organisms. I believe this can be verified. Sorry Ken, but I questioned the amount 650, and from the few replies that I received, plus the different diseases I could find. I didn't even get close to 200. I still doubt the 650, but I think that what ever the actual number is it's a bunch. Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi List, I found reference to at least 118 (if I counted correctly) with a bibliography. Trem Appendix: The Reynolds Study Return to Top In 1995, Dr. Peter L. Reynolds (Ph.D., Provo Utah) documented many of the diseases proven to responsive to silver colloid treatment. The following is the list (in alphabetical order) of pathogens and conditions documented before 1938 where patients were being successfully treated using colloidal silver. Numeric references are to original sources listed in the Bibliography. Adenovirus 5, 23 Anthrax Bacilli 2, 3 Appendicitis 3 Aspergillus Niger 18 Axillæ and blind boils of the neck 10 Bacteria Coli 2 Bacteria Coli Communis 7 Bacteria Dysenteria 2 Bacteria Tubercolosis 7 Bacteria Pyocaneus 2 Bacillary Dysentery 4 Bacillius Typhosus 21 Bladder Irritation 12 Blepharitis (infection of the eyelids) 13 Boils 10 Bovine Rotavirus 23 Bromidrosis in Axille 12 Bromidrosis in Feet 10 Burns and wounds of the cornea 13 Candida Albicans 18, 25 Candida Globata 25 Cerebro-spinal Meningitis 3, 9 Chronic Cystitis 10 Chronic Eczema of Anterior Nares 10 Chronic Eczema of metus of ear 10 Colitis 4 Cystitis 8 Dacryocystitis 13 Dermatitis suggestive of toxæmia 4 Diarrhoea (diarrhea) 4 Diptheria 3 Dysentery 3, 6 Ear Affections 5 Enlarged Prostate 12 Entamoeba Histolytica (cysts) 24 Epiditymitis 10 Erysipelas 3 Escherichia Coli 17, 18, 21 Eustachian tubes (potency restored) 8 Follicular Tonsilitis 10 Furunculosis (Hidradenitis Suppurativa) 3 Gardnerella Vaginalis 25 Gonococcus 7 Gonorrhoea 10 Gonorrhoeal Conjunctivitis 10 Gonorrhoeal Opthalimia 13 Gonorrhoeal Prostratic Gleet 11 Hæmorrhoids 12 Hypopyon Ulcer 13 Impetigo 10 Infantile Disease 16 Infected ulcers of the cornea 13 Inflammatory Rheumatism 3 Influenze 11 Interstitial Keratitis 13 Intestinal troubles 6 Legionella Pneumophila (Legionaire's Disease) 17 Lesion Healing 12 Leucorrhoea 6 M. Furfur 25 Menier's Symptoms 6 Nasal Catarrh 5 Nasopharyngeal Catarrh (reduced) 8 Neisseria Gonorrhea 25 Oedematous enlargement of turbinates without true hyperplasia 9 Offensive discharge of chronic suppuration in Otitis Media 10 Ophthalmology 12 Opthalmic practices 5 Paramecium (Balantidium coli, Holophrya coli, Leukophrya coli, Balantidiasis) 1 Para-Typhoid 3 Perineal Eczema 12 Phlegmons 3 Phlyctenular Conjunctivitis 10 Pneumococci 2 Poliovirus 1 (Sabin strain) 23 Pruritis Ani 12 Pseudomonas Aeruginosa 17, 18 Puerperal Septicæmia 15 Purulent Opthalmia of infants 13 Pustular Eczema of scalp 10 Pyorrhoea Alveolaris (Riggs disease) 8 Quinsies 6 Rhinitis 9 Ringworm of the body 10 Salmonella 23 Salmonella Typhi 25 Scarlatina 3 Sepsis 16 Septic Tonsilitis 10 Septic Ulcers of the legs 10 Septicæmia 5, 8 Shingles 6 Soft Sores 10 Spore-forming Bacteria 24 Spring Catarrh 10 Sprue 6 Staphyloclysin (inhibits) 2 Staphylococcus Aureus 17, 25 Staphylococcus Pyogenea 7 Staphylococcus Pyogens Albus 2 Staphylococcus Pyogens Aureus 2 Streptococci 7 Streptococcus Fæcalis 17 Streptococcus Pyogenes 25 Subdues inflammation 12 Suppurative Appendicitis (post-op) 10 Tinea Versicolor 10 Tonsilitis 6 Typhoid 3 Typhoid Bacillus 14 Ulcerative Urticaria 4 Urticaria suggestive of toxæmia 12 Valsava's inflammation 8 Vegetative B. Cereus cells 24 Vincent's Angina 10 Vorticella 1 Warts 12 Whooping Cough 8 BIBLIOGRAPHY 1. Bechhold, H. (1919). Colloids in Biology and Medicine, translated by J. G. M. Bullow. D. Van Nostrand Company, New York, p. 367 2. Ibid., p. 368. 3. Ibid., p. 376. 4. Searle, A. B. (1919). The Use of Colloids in Health and Disease. (Quoting from the British Medical Journal, May 12, 1917). E. P. Dutton and Company: New York, p. 82 5. Ibid., (Quoting from the British Medical Journal, Jan. 15, l(s)17), p. 83. 6. Ibid., (Quoting Sir James Cantlie in the British Medical Journal, Nov. 15, 1913), p. 83. 7. Ibid., (Quoting Henry Crookes), p. 70. 8. Ibid., (Quoting J. Mark Hovell in the British Medical Journal, Dec. 15, 1917), p. 86. 9. Ibid., (Quoting B. Seymour Jones), p. 86. 10.Ibid., (Quoting C.E. A. MacLeod in Lancet, Feb. 3, 1912), p. 83. 11. Ibid., (Quoting J. MacMunn in the British Medical Journal, 1917, I, 685), p. 86. 12. Ibid., (Quoting Sir Malcom Morris in the British Medical Journal, May, 1917), p. 85. 13. Ibid., (Quoting A. Legge Roe in the British Medical Journal, Jan. 16, 1915), p. 83. 14. Ibid., (Quoting W. J. Simpson in Lancet, Dec. 12, 1914), pp. 71-72. 15. Ibid., (Quoting T. H. Anderson Wells in Lancet, Feb. 16, 1918), p. 85. 16. (1931). Index-catalogue of the Library of the Surgeon General's Office United States Army. United States Government Pnnting Office, Washington, v. IX, p. 628. 17. Moyasar, T. Y.; Landeen, L. K.; Messina, M. C.; Kutz, S. M.; Schulze, R.; and Gerba, C. P. (1990). Disinfection of Bacteria in Water Systems by Using Electrolytically Generated Copper, Silver and Reduced Levels of Free Chlorine.
Re: CSFTC regulations?
Ken: Are these amalgam fillings or composite? Thom In a message dated 9/16/2002 7:14:43 AM Central Daylight Time, coyote...@earthlink.net writes: CS has tended to stabiliize all my fillings. I purposely expose them to CS and with great results at the dentists office. It could be that the cs is closing up leaks and establishing some unaccustomed thermal conductivity similar to what a new filling does. It takes a while for a new filling to desensitize. Ken
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It might have to do with how fine you break things down. Does the flu count as one, or 2 dozen varieties? Does HIV count as one or 3 major varieties, or hundreds of sub varieties? Marshall Jack Dayton wrote: From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 06:54:38 -0400 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFTC regulations? Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 03:54:29 -0700 Ken writes: The accurate statement is ... Kills 650 disease organisms. I believe this can be verified. Sorry Ken, but I questioned the amount 650, and from the few replies that I received, plus the different diseases I could find. I didn't even get close to 200. I still doubt the 650, but I think that what ever the actual number is it's a bunch. Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Marshall writes: I believe by convention an antibiotic that is used on non-living things is called a disinfectant. The dictionary says that an antibiotic is anything that kills some forms of life. I think the definition that's important to *this* discussion is the FDA and FTC's definition of antibiotic. They're the ones that'll be enforcing *their* rules, so you'd better know what *they* think an antibiotic is, and be prepared to prove it... M. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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The accurate statement is ... Kills 650 disease organisms.
I believe this can be verified.
That doesn't state that CS cures any diseases.
It seems logical that if you say, So and so says..blah blah blah That
the burden of proof belongs to so and so. [especially if you also say that
we don't know for sure if 'so and so' knows what he's talking about]
Of course, we all know about logic and the law. An L is about all they
have in common.
IMOI think that a person can say whatever they want to as long as it's
made clear that it's an opinion
I believe, I think, so and so thinks, Seems like, looks like, could be,
according to etc.
More doctors recommend 'this' drug than all other drugs combined {No
doctors recommend combining all other drugs and remain doctors for very long}
Disclaimer:
Everyone has one these days...like a middle name given at birth by lawyers.
I am not an actor, I just play one in real life.
I do not intend to make any recommendations what-so-ever as to the use or
effectiveness for any purpose of colloidal silver. The ONLY claim that is
made is to produce a high quality product.
All testimonies are to be presumed non scientific observations and do not
constitute proof of anything.
[Whatever proof is.]
This does not mean that all observations are 100% accurate. There could be
other factors involved.
.on the other hand...observations could also be very accurate
I know how amazed 'I ' am...and that's all I know. The rest is opinion
based on observations.
Observations may not be 100% accurate. [Since when are scientific
establishments 100%?] Most likely, Nothing is 100% accurate. [Nothing just
might be the ONLY thing that IS 100% accurate? ..If I say nothing, I can't
possibly state something inaccurately, right?]
I say what I see, think and do...not what YOU should.
You have a brain too.
Use it.
Ken
Ken
At 02:53 PM 9/16/02 -0700, you wrote:
From: silversw...@yahoo.com silversw...@yahoo.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:34:41 -0700 (PDT)
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSFTC regulations?
Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:34:46 -0700
HI I was wondering If I can get away with putting the
following on my website for the main page, Colloidal
silver is a powerful nautural antibiotic that has been
around since the early Greeks and Romans. According to
early 1900 records over 650 bacteria, virues, and
fungi were considered treatable with silver.
**
Well Corbin it is good that you asked.
Loose the word natural - there is
nothing natural about COLLOIDAL
silver that I have read. It is a
manufactured product.
It's not 650 bacteria, viruses. and
fungi...
the number 650 is referring to various
illnesses that can be cured - and that
number 650 can't be confirmed,
try thousands in that sentence,
( and I feel that is a low number).
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I know we've had this discussion before... The following is a long message quoting material (from the Materia Medica, I believe) that was published in 1916... http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m1263.html The salient point is in the last paragraph: Notice no where is there the word antibiotic. This wasn't mentioned once in the entire book. It wasn't in their repertoire' nor in science. The things that they knew might hinder infections and speed healing in these cases were called antiseptics and astringents. Another message from Susan, gives a number of definitions for words that do apply to CS, but again suggests that the precise term antibiotic has a specific *meaning* in the scientific/medical context, and is not well-applied to CS... http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m626.html I'm not saying her comments are authoritative, but suggestive. I would still like to know the definition of antibiotic in the legal/medical/scientific sense... Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Marshall writes: It either kills life or it doesn't. I know it does. The meaning of antibiotic is defined in the dictionary. If you don't like the definition, take it up with Merriam and Webster. I know where Ian is coming from, Marshall. There is a sense in a lot of the literature that the term is used in a more restricted sense than suggested by Merriam and Webster... Here's a cite from an online textbook to be found at http://www.bact.wisc.edu/microtextbook/ControlGrowth/antibiotic.html Antibiotics: antimicrobial agents produced by microorganisms that kill or inhibit other microorganisms. This is the microbiologist's definition. A more broadened definition of an antibiotic includes any chemical of natural origin (from any type of cell) which has the effect to kill or inhibit the growth of other types cells. Since most clinically-useful antibiotics are produced by microorganisms and are used to kill or inhibit infectious Bacteria, we will follow the classic definition. So, my point is, Marshall, that people *are* being taught that 'antibiotic' has a more specific meaning than you are arguing. In that sense, I think you may want to recognise this situation and give Ian the benefit of the doubt. Given the above definition, we can see that natural becomes a bit of a slippery term when we consider synthetic antibiotics, but the term antibiotics seems to be commonly applied to those substances, like penecillin, that are produced by various organisms and were found to inhibit growth of bacteria... Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Antibiotics: antimicrobial agents produced by microorganisms that kill or inhibit other microorganisms. This is the microbiologist's definition. A more broadened definition of an antibiotic includes any chemical of natural origin (from any type of cell) which has the effect to kill or inhibit the growth of other types cells. Since most clinically-useful antibiotics are produced by microorganisms and are used to kill or inhibit infectious Bacteria, we will follow the classic definition. I agree that CS does not fit the first definition, although it does the second broadened one if the (from any type of cell) were left out. (Actually the CS we all produce is a chemical of natural origin (silver mines), which is produced by an electrolytic cell, so you really don't even have to ignore the cell part either). Heeeheee! Excellent points! grin I do recognize that they are likely not talking about an electrolytic cell, but it DOES fit the definition when viewed under the right light. Indeed! Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Here we go, putting words in people's mouths. I did not claim it did not kill germs. I said it was not an antibiotic. Is not Antibiotic a term, spawned by the drug companies, that refers to a class of drugs that work in a specic way to destroy bacteria, virus and fungi? Calling it germicide would be better if a name is needed but it doesn't work like an antibiotic and it's really misinformation to say that it is one. People can't make claims when they market it, so they hope to give it a misleading name or a description that will indicate it's use. No wonder people get in wrong with the FDA. Ian Roe - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 11:19 PM Subject: Re: CSFTC regulations? Ian Roe wrote: Well first of all, silver is not an antibiotic, doesn't work like an antibiotic at all. You are the first here to claim that CS does not kill germs. How are you ever going to support those claims that completely go against everyone's experience here? Marshall
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WHOH!I did not say CS did not work - read my post. I've got someone saying I claimed it did not kill germs. That is not what I said - what I said was that it was not an antibiotic. Flames will kill germs. Flames are not an antibiotic either. Selling a device that makes flames and calling it an antibiotic would be ridiculous. Antibiotic is a term spawned by the drug cartel used to describe drugs that work in a particular manner. I don't believe antibiotic correctly describes CS. And I think that calling it such and marketing it as such would get someone in hot water with the FDA and thus would further hinder the cause. - Original Message - From: silversw...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 1:23 AM Subject: Re: CSFTC regulations? sorry Ian Roe I strongly have to disagree with you saying that CS is not an antiobiotic. Because I have 100% proof that it does work, however it may not be as strong as some of the Prescription antiobiotics on the market due to all toxic junk that is im them, coming from experince and one who is infected with Ureaplasma urealyticum,(bladder,kidney and UT, and possibly co-infected with Chlamydia Trach) I know for a fact that when I take large amounts of CS the puss from the bacteria goes down in my urine. However the org can quickly adapt to the new samples of CS within 1-2 days, where it is not longer as powerful. I believe the org is repsonding to the CS much like a silver atom at a certain vibrational freq rate, (like rife tech), but just like atibioitcs, the org can quickly adapt itself to become resistant to the CS., However I have not found this to be the case with direct contact with CS only drinking it. Upon using a product like silver 100 which I always have good results with I find that if the virus like bacteria grows too much and causes pain I use the silver 100 on contact with the tissues areas that are infected and the infection goes down. The problem is the CS cant seem to get it all and and all areas of the tissues, because this is an org which both surives outside your cells as well as inside, and uses your cell as its host much like a parasite, thats why its almost classified as a parasite/bact and virus all in one. If it wasnt for my zappers and CS I would be in more pain than than I am now. Corbin --- Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com wrote: Ian Roe wrote: Well first of all, silver is not an antibiotic, doesn't work like an antibiotic at all. You are the first here to claim that CS does not kill germs. How are you ever going to support those claims that completely go against everyone's experience here? Marshall __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi: In Canada, some useful definitions follow, from http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hpfb-dgpsa/inspectorate/int_din_enf_directive_entire_ e.html Class monograph: Means a document prepared by the Department of Health that lists the types and strengths of medicinal ingredients that may be contained in drugs of a specified class; and sets out labelling and other requirements that apply to those drugs. Drug: Under the Food and Drugs Act, a drug includes any substance or mixture of substances manufactured, sold or represented for use in: the diagnosis, treatment, mitigation or prevention of a disease, disorder or abnormal physical state, or its symptoms, in human beings or animal; restoring, correcting or modifying organic functions in human beings or animals; or disinfection in premises in which food is manufactured, prepared or kept. Mineral supplements (Dietary mineral supplements): Mineral supplements are those that meet the requirements of a class monograph entitled Mineral Supplements or Dietary Minerals Supplements, as the case may be. Products subject to special measures: For the purpose of this Directive, products subject to special measures refer to traditional medicines (i.e. traditional herbal medicines as well as traditional medicines such as Chinese, ayurvedic (East Indian) and aboriginal (North American) medicines), homeopathic preparations and vitamin and mineral supplements for human use, when in dosage form and for which prescriptions are not required. Traditional Medicine (TM): Drugs that: contain a plant, mineral or animal substance in respect of which therapeutic activity or disease prevention activity is claimed, including traditional herbal medicines, traditional Chinese medicines, ayurvedic (East Indian) medicines and traditional aboriginal (North American) medicines, and the medical use of which is based solely on historical and ethnological evidence from references relating to a medical system other than one based on conventional scientific standards. Vitamin supplements (Dietary vitamin supplements): Vitamin supplements are those that meet the requirements of a class monograph entitled Vitamin Supplements or Dietary Vitamin Supplements, as the case may be. === So in Canada, making claims or descriptions of a product that we make or sell, that indicate any of the above, make us subject to the statute law that governs the same. Is this helpful? I'm sure the FDA is similar in this way. In Canada, we can not make claims or descriptions that violate the above or we have to comply with the accompanying regulations regarding manufacture and sale. See http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hpfb-dgpsa/inspectorate/int_din_enf_directive_entire_ e.html The wisdom is in saying what it does, not in what it will do for you as Ode Coyote indicates below. - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 6:54 AM Subject: Re: CSFTC regulations? The accurate statement is ... Kills 650 disease organisms. I believe this can be verified. That doesn't state that CS cures any diseases. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I believe by convention an antibiotic that is used on non-living things is called a disinfectant. The dictionary says that an antibiotic is anything that kills some forms of life. Marshall Wayne Fugitt wrote: Evening Ian and Marshall, Ian Roe wrote: Well first of all, silver is not an antibiotic, doesn't work like an antibiotic at all. You are the first here to claim that CS does not kill germs. How are you ever going to support those claims that completely go against everyone's experience here? What is the best and accepted definition of antibiotic? If something kills microscopic life, looks like it would be an antibiotic. It don't have to kill all of them, if it killed only one type, would it still not be an antibiotic? Seems one could market chlorox as an antibiotic. When I was in the dairy busniess, we used a powdered material called LaBax which smelled like chlorox and acted like it. Not all antibiotic substances have to be drinkable do they? Wayne
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Ian Roe wrote: Here we go, putting words in people's mouths. I did not claim it did not kill germs. I said it was not an antibiotic. That is the definition of antibiotic. No words put in anyones mouth here. Look it up, I did. See http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary: Main Entry: 1an·ti·bi·ot·ic Pronunciation: an-ti-bI-'ä-tik, -tI-; an-ti-bE- Function: adjective Date: 1894 1 : tending to prevent, inhibit, or destroy life Is not Antibiotic a term, spawned by the drug companies, that refers to a class of drugs that work in a specic way to destroy bacteria, virus and fungi? Huh?? There were no drug companies in 1894, at least not like there are now. The only antibiotics back then were silver, quinine, alcholol and other chemicals. Nothing like penicillian. Just what way are you talking about? Calling it germicide would be better if a name is needed but it doesn't work like an antibiotic and it's really misinformation to say that it is one. Why do you make this claim? I see nothing about how it kills in the definition of antibiotic, just that if it kills. And silver definitely kills, meeting the strict definition of antibiotic. Heck even chlorox is an antibiotic, but certainly not one that can be taken orally. Marshall
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Ian Roe wrote: WHOH!I did not say CS did not work - read my post. I've got someone saying I claimed it did not kill germs. That is not what I said - what I said was that it was not an antibiotic. I am really having a hard time getting a line on what you are saying. Since an antibiotic is any substance that kills life by definition, and you say it is not an antibiotic, but kills germs, are you trying to say that germs are not life? Maybe you should give us your personal definitions since they do not seem to agree with the dictionary for the following terms: antibiotic germs life Flames will kill germs. Flames are not an antibiotic either. Actually according to the definition at webster, heat would qualify as being antibiotic. Selling a device that makes flames and calling it an antibiotic would be ridiculous. They already to that. But they tend to call it sterlization by convention which has a much narrower definition: sterilize - d : to free from living microorganisms. An antibiotic can kill only one thing and still be called an antibiotic, but sterlization kills everything. It would be rediculous to try and market a sterlizer using the term antibiotic since that would mean it might not kill all germs, when in fact it does. A marketing department would never do that. Antibiotic is a term spawned by the drug cartel used to describe drugs that work in a particular manner. That is false. There was no drug cartel in 1894 when the work was first coined. In fact there were no modern antibiotics then either, just things like silver and quinine. I don't believe antibiotic correctly describes I don't believe antibiotic correctly describes CS. And I think that calling it such and marketing it as such would get someone in hot water with the FDA and thus would further hinder the cause. It either kills life or it doesn't. I know it does. The meaning of antibiotic is defined in the dictionary. If you don't like the definition, take it up with Merriam and Webster. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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M. G. Devour wrote: Marshall writes: It either kills life or it doesn't. I know it does. The meaning of antibiotic is defined in the dictionary. If you don't like the definition, take it up with Merriam and Webster. I know where Ian is coming from, Marshall. There is a sense in a lot of the literature that the term is used in a more restricted sense than suggested by Merriam and Webster... Here's a cite from an online textbook to be found at http://www.bact.wisc.edu/microtextbook/ControlGrowth/antibiotic.html Antibiotics: antimicrobial agents produced by microorganisms that kill or inhibit other microorganisms. This is the microbiologist's definition. A more broadened definition of an antibiotic includes any chemical of natural origin (from any type of cell) which has the effect to kill or inhibit the growth of other types cells. Since most clinically-useful antibiotics are produced by microorganisms and are used to kill or inhibit infectious Bacteria, we will follow the classic definition. I agree that CS does not fit the first definition, although it does the second broadened one if the (from any type of cell) were left out. (Actually the CS we all produce is a chemical of natural origin (silver mines), which is produced by an electrolytic cell, so you really don't even have to ignore the cell part either). I do recognize that they are likely not talking about an electrolytic cell, but it DOES fit the definition when viewed under the right light. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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M. G. Devour wrote: I know we've had this discussion before... The following is a long message quoting material (from the Materia Medica, I believe) that was published in 1916... http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m1263.html The salient point is in the last paragraph: Notice no where is there the word antibiotic. This wasn't mentioned once in the entire book. It wasn't in their repertoire' nor in science. The things that they knew might hinder infections and speed healing in these cases were called antiseptics and astringents. I wonder how that meshes with Webster's claim that the word dates back to 1894. Were the usages local? Doesn't seem likely with a 20 year time frame for the usage to spread. Was the original meaning cooped and redefined by the microbiologists (or whatever they were then) after 1916? Interesting topic. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Why don't we just use the term antimicrobial? That seems to satisfy the alphabet soup gang, at least for the time being. an·ti·mi·cro·bi·al Pronunciation Key (nt-m-krb-l, nt-) also an·ti·mi·cro·bic (-bk) adj. Capable of destroying or inhibiting the growth of microorganisms: antimicrobial drugs. -- anti·mi·crobial n. Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Yours in health, James Allison - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 4:24 AM Subject: Re: CSFTC regulations? Marshall writes: It either kills life or it doesn't. I know it does. The meaning of antibiotic is defined in the dictionary. If you don't like the definition, take it up with Merriam and Webster. I know where Ian is coming from, Marshall. There is a sense in a lot of the literature that the term is used in a more restricted sense than suggested by Merriam and Webster... Here's a cite from an online textbook to be found at http://www.bact.wisc.edu/microtextbook/ControlGrowth/antibiotic.html Antibiotics: antimicrobial agents produced by microorganisms that kill or inhibit other microorganisms. This is the microbiologist's definition. A more broadened definition of an antibiotic includes any chemical of natural origin (from any type of cell) which has the effect to kill or inhibit the growth of other types cells. Since most clinically-useful antibiotics are produced by microorganisms and are used to kill or inhibit infectious Bacteria, we will follow the classic definition. So, my point is, Marshall, that people *are* being taught that 'antibiotic' has a more specific meaning than you are arguing. In that sense, I think you may want to recognise this situation and give Ian the benefit of the doubt. Given the above definition, we can see that natural becomes a bit of a slippery term when we consider synthetic antibiotics, but the term antibiotics seems to be commonly applied to those substances, like penecillin, that are produced by various organisms and were found to inhibit growth of bacteria... Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com abreve.giflprime.gifemacr.gifimacr.gifomacr.gifprime.gifschwa.gifibreve.gif
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The accurate statement is ... Kills 650 disease organisms. I believe this can be verified. How; haven't we been looking for these 650 for quite some time now? jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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English use - from the New Shorter Oxford Dictionary: antibiotic /%antIbVIQtIk/ a. n. m19. [f. anti- + Gk biotikos fit for life, f. bios life: see - otic.] A adj. ?1 Doubting the possibility of life (in a particular environment). m-l19. 2 Injurious to or destructive of living matter, esp. micro-organisms; of or pertaining to antibiotics. l19. B n. A substance which is capable of destroying or inhibiting the growth of bacteria or other micro- organisms; spec. one that is produced by another micro-organism (or is a synthetic analogue of a microbial product), and is used therapeutically. m20. So, for my pennorth, CS does not meet the specific noun definition. Terry - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:06 PM Subject: Re: CSFTC regulations? I believe by convention an antibiotic that is used on non-living things is called a disinfectant. The dictionary says that an antibiotic is anything that kills some forms of life. Marshall
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But it does meet the adjective definition. So CS is antibiotic but is not an antibiotic. Would that be correct? Marshall Terry Dickinson wrote: English use - from the New Shorter Oxford Dictionary: antibiotic /%antIbVIQtIk/ a. n. m19. [f. anti- + Gk biotikos fit for life, f. bios life: see - otic.] A adj. 1 Doubting the possibility of life (in a particular environment). ml19. 2 Injurious to or destructive of living matter, esp. micro-organisms; of or pertaining to antibiotics. l19. B n. A substance which is capable of destroying or inhibiting the growth of bacteria or other micro- organisms; spec. one that is produced by another micro-organism (or is a synthetic analogue of a microbial product), and is used therapeutically. m20. So, for my pennorth, CS does not meet the specific noun definition. Terry - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:06 PM Subject: Re: CSFTC regulations? I believe by convention an antibiotic that is used on non-living things is called a disinfectant. The dictionary says that an antibiotic is anything that kills some forms of life. Marshall
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What I have heard in most use and practice, that antibiotic is limited to substances produced by living organisms, or a synthetic based on same. Who cares what we call CS; it kills every bacteria it has been tested against, some fungi, some mycoplasmas and some virons. Let's be 18th century and call it a pathogen bane. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:49 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFTC regulations? But it does meet the adjective definition. So CS is antibiotic but is not an antibiotic. Would that be correct? Marshall Terry Dickinson wrote: English use - from the New Shorter Oxford Dictionary: antibiotic /%antIbVIQtIk/ a. n. m19. [f. anti- + Gk biotikos fit for life, f. bios life: see - otic.] A adj. 1 Doubting the possibility of life (in a particular environment). ml19. 2 Injurious to or destructive of living matter, esp. micro-organisms; of or pertaining to antibiotics. l19. B n. A substance which is capable of destroying or inhibiting the growth of bacteria or other micro- organisms; spec. one that is produced by another micro-organism (or is a synthetic analogue of a microbial product), and is used therapeutically. m20. So, for my pennorth, CS does not meet the specific noun definition. Terry - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:06 PM Subject: Re: CSFTC regulations? I believe by convention an antibiotic that is used on non-living things is called a disinfectant. The dictionary says that an antibiotic is anything that kills some forms of life. Marshall
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Ok - you win - let it be an antibiotic- I just hope people who want to sell CS don't think that they can do and say anything that pops into their heads without getting into hot water with the FDA. This thread started with someone who wanted to market their product and had a pretty descriptive paragraph for CS. Words have to be chosen carefully when marketing - which was what I was trying to do in describing it as not being an antibiotic. If they want to use that term - I hope they enjoy their sales and possibly a day of confrontation with your FDA. Web sites up here (0 latitude) are not leaned on lightly when it comes to product claims. Many people have been shut down for not choosing words carefully. And in the day of confrontation, the rhetoric on a silver discussion list won't cut any mustard. Ian - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 10:40 AM Subject: Re: CSFTC regulations? Ian Roe wrote: WHOH!I did not say CS did not work - read my post. I've got someone saying I claimed it did not kill germs. That is not what I said - what I said was that it was not an antibiotic. I am really having a hard time getting a line on what you are saying. Since an antibiotic is any substance that kills life by definition, and you say it is not an antibiotic, but kills germs, are you trying to say that germs are not life? Maybe you should give us your personal definitions since they do not seem to agree with the dictionary for the following terms: antibiotic germs life Flames will kill germs. Flames are not an antibiotic either. Actually according to the definition at webster, heat would qualify as being antibiotic. Selling a device that makes flames and calling it an antibiotic would be ridiculous. They already to that. But they tend to call it sterlization by convention which has a much narrower definition: sterilize - d : to free from living microorganisms. An antibiotic can kill only one thing and still be called an antibiotic, but sterlization kills everything. It would be rediculous to try and market a sterlizer using the term antibiotic since that would mean it might not kill all germs, when in fact it does. A marketing department would never do that. Antibiotic is a term spawned by the drug cartel used to describe drugs that work in a particular manner. That is false. There was no drug cartel in 1894 when the work was first coined. In fact there were no modern antibiotics then either, just things like silver and quinine. I don't believe antibiotic correctly describes I don't believe antibiotic correctly describes CS. And I think that calling it such and marketing it as such would get someone in hot water with the FDA and thus would further hinder the cause. It either kills life or it doesn't. I know it does. The meaning of antibiotic is defined in the dictionary. If you don't like the definition, take it up with Merriam and Webster. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Thanks for your suggestion I really appreciate it and I have deceided that the risks with the FTC are too great and will focus strictly on the manufacturing process, for my Home page, and take the whole backround info about silver out. I hope it is ok to put up pdf files explaining someone elses product that they made and I am selling, and about the FDA rulings etc, so people get some proof that when we tell them we cant talk about the uses of our products we mean it. And I sinceley hope this ends the discussion on the Antibiotic part. Corbin --- Ian Roe ian_onta...@hotmail.com wrote: Ok - you win - let it be an antibiotic- I just hope people who want to sell CS don't think that they can do and say anything that pops into their heads without getting into hot water with the FDA. This thread started with someone who wanted to market their product and had a pretty descriptive paragraph for CS. Words have to be chosen carefully when marketing - which was what I was trying to do in describing it as not being an antibiotic. If they want to use that term - I hope they enjoy their sales and possibly a day of confrontation with your FDA. Web sites up here (0 latitude) are not leaned on lightly when it comes to product claims. Many people have been shut down for not choosing words carefully. And in the day of confrontation, the rhetoric on a silver discussion list won't cut any mustard. Ian - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 10:40 AM Subject: Re: CSFTC regulations? Ian Roe wrote: WHOH!I did not say CS did not work - read my post. I've got someone saying I claimed it did not kill germs. That is not what I said - what I said was that it was not an antibiotic. I am really having a hard time getting a line on what you are saying. Since an antibiotic is any substance that kills life by definition, and you say it is not an antibiotic, but kills germs, are you trying to say that germs are not life? Maybe you should give us your personal definitions since they do not seem to agree with the dictionary for the following terms: antibiotic germs life Flames will kill germs. Flames are not an antibiotic either. Actually according to the definition at webster, heat would qualify as being antibiotic. Selling a device that makes flames and calling it an antibiotic would be ridiculous. They already to that. But they tend to call it sterlization by convention which has a much narrower definition: sterilize - d : to free from living microorganisms. An antibiotic can kill only one thing and still be called an antibiotic, but sterlization kills everything. It would be rediculous to try and market a sterlizer using the term antibiotic since that would mean it might not kill all germs, when in fact it does. A marketing department would never do that. Antibiotic is a term spawned by the drug cartel used to describe drugs that work in a particular manner. That is false. There was no drug cartel in 1894 when the work was first coined. In fact there were no modern antibiotics then either, just things like silver and quinine. I don't believe antibiotic correctly describes I don't believe antibiotic correctly describes CS. And I think that calling it such and marketing it as such would get someone in hot water with the FDA and thus would further hinder the cause. It either kills life or it doesn't. I know it does. The meaning of antibiotic is defined in the dictionary. If you don't like the definition, take it up with Merriam and Webster. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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CS has tended to stabiliize all my fillings. I purposely expose them to CS and with great results at the dentists office. It could be that the cs is closing up leaks and establishing some unaccustomed thermal conductivity similar to what a new filling does. It takes a while for a new filling to desensitize. Ken snip Colloidal silver, can include holding the solution under your tongue(keeping away from fillings) or spraying a myst like solution of it ! into your nose via steam using a small atomizer. any suggestions corbin You better not do that the FTC will make you pay a fine. Also you must have read my mind i have fillings in my mouth and brush my teeth with cs latley my teeth with fillings are getting sensitive what kind of harm am i doing. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour thank you -- Do you Yahoo!? http://news.yahoo.com/>Yahoo! News - Today's headlines
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You can if you do not sell it. If you do you cannot give any useful information on CS at all, not even any historical facts. Marshall silversw...@yahoo.com wrote: HI I was wondering If I can get away with putting the following on my website for the main page, Colloidal silver is a powerful nautural antibiotic that has been around since the early Greeks and Romans. According to early 1900 records over 650 bacteria, virues, and fungi were considered treatable with silver. Can Colloidal silver be used only for killing internal infections? No!, there are many uses for Collidal silver besides just using it internally for illness's. There are probably over 1000 different uses for the solution. Some examples are sterilizing tooth brushes, adding to bath water, rinsing vegetables, fruits, and meats before storing; spray on cutting boards or even add it to your dish-washer for sterilization of your dishes, and the list goes on and on. Quicker ways to ingest Colloidal silver, can include holding the solution under your tongue(keeping away from fillings) or spraying a myst like solution of it into your nose via steam using a small atomizer. any suggestions corbin __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Can I put links for more info from other websites? and what kind of BS is this anyway. Has anyone sent them a patition explaining this stupidiity Also am I allowed to show photographs of how i make it? and explain it? Like step 1 how i make distilled water step 2 how I electrode it etc... Corbin --- Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com wrote: You can if you do not sell it. If you do you cannot give any useful information on CS at all, not even any historical facts. Marshall silversw...@yahoo.com wrote: HI I was wondering If I can get away with putting the following on my website for the main page, Colloidal silver is a powerful nautural antibiotic that has been around since the early Greeks and Romans. According to early 1900 records over 650 bacteria, virues, and fungi were considered treatable with silver. Can Colloidal silver be used only for killing internal infections? No!, there are many uses for Collidal silver besides just using it internally for illness's. There are probably over 1000 different uses for the solution. Some examples are sterilizing tooth brushes, adding to bath water, rinsing vegetables, fruits, and meats before storing; spray on cutting boards or even add it to your dish-washer for sterilization of your dishes, and the list goes on and on. Quicker ways to ingest Colloidal silver, can include holding the solution under your tongue(keeping away from fillings) or spraying a myst like solution of it into your nose via steam using a small atomizer. any suggestions corbin __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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silversw...@yahoo.com wrote: Can I put links for more info from other websites? No, they will fine you for that as well. and what kind of BS is this anyway. Has anyone sent them a patition explaining this stupidiity It is not stupid. The FDA basically reports to the drug mafia, and they protect their interests. CS is a threat to the industry. Also am I allowed to show photographs of how i make it? That should be ok. and explain it? Like step 1 how i make distilled water step 2 how I electrode it etc... That should be fine. If you handle it like you are producing a chemical for sell to the chemical industry it will be fine. You cannot however say something like, such and such produces smaller particles [which are more effective in killing pathogens]. The part in [] would have to be left out. Marshall Corbin --- Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com wrote: You can if you do not sell it. If you do you cannot give any useful information on CS at all, not even any historical facts. Marshall silversw...@yahoo.com wrote: HI I was wondering If I can get away with putting the following on my website for the main page, Colloidal silver is a powerful nautural antibiotic that has been around since the early Greeks and Romans. According to early 1900 records over 650 bacteria, virues, and fungi were considered treatable with silver. Can Colloidal silver be used only for killing internal infections? No!, there are many uses for Collidal silver besides just using it internally for illness's. There are probably over 1000 different uses for the solution. Some examples are sterilizing tooth brushes, adding to bath water, rinsing vegetables, fruits, and meats before storing; spray on cutting boards or even add it to your dish-washer for sterilization of your dishes, and the list goes on and on. Quicker ways to ingest Colloidal silver, can include holding the solution under your tongue(keeping away from fillings) or spraying a myst like solution of it into your nose via steam using a small atomizer. any suggestions corbin __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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From: silversw...@yahoo.com silversw...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:34:41 -0700 (PDT) To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSFTC regulations? Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:34:46 -0700 HI I was wondering If I can get away with putting the following on my website for the main page, Colloidal silver is a powerful nautural antibiotic that has been around since the early Greeks and Romans. According to early 1900 records over 650 bacteria, virues, and fungi were considered treatable with silver. ** Well Corbin it is good that you asked. Loose the word natural - there is nothing natural about COLLOIDAL silver that I have read. It is a manufactured product. It's not 650 bacteria, viruses. and fungi... the number 650 is referring to various illnesses that can be cured - and that number 650 can't be confirmed, try thousands in that sentence, ( and I feel that is a low number). -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Well first of all, silver is not an antibiotic, doesn't work like an antibiotic at all. If you want to see what you can and can't put on a web site, try looking at www.csprosystems.com. He markets generators and CS. Here is a man who has done his due diligence regarding labeling and what can and can not be said. If you put stuff on your web site outside of the boundaries you see at his site and you conduct business - you may find yourself in difficulty. Ian - Original Message - From: mars larz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 10:21 PM Subject: Re: CSFTC regulations? silversw...@yahoo.com wrote: HI I was wondering If I can get away with putting the following on my website for the main page, Colloidal silver is a powerful nautural antibiotic that has been around since the early Greeks and Romans. According to early 1900 records over 650 bacteria, virues, and fungi were considered treatable with silver. Can Colloidal silver be used only for killing internal infections? No!, there are many uses for Collidal silver besides just using it internally for illness's. There are probably over 1000 different uses for the solution. Some examples are sterilizing tooth brushes, adding to bath water, rinsing vegetables, fruits, and meats before storing; spray on cutting boards or even add it to your dish-washer for sterilization of your dishes, and the list goes on and on. Quicker ways to ingest Colloidal silver, can include holding the solution under your tongue(keeping away from fillings) or spraying a myst like solution of it ! into your nose via steam using a small atomizer. any suggestions corbin You better not do that the FTC will make you pay a fine. Also you must have read my mind i have fillings in my mouth and brush my teeth with cs latley my teeth with fillings are getting sensitive what kind of harm am i doing. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour thank you -- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines
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Ian Roe wrote: Well first of all, silver is not an antibiotic, doesn't work like an antibiotic at all. You are the first here to claim that CS does not kill germs. How are you ever going to support those claims that completely go against everyone's experience here? Marshall
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Evening Ian and Marshall, Ian Roe wrote: Well first of all, silver is not an antibiotic, doesn't work like an antibiotic at all. You are the first here to claim that CS does not kill germs. How are you ever going to support those claims that completely go against everyone's experience here? What is the best and accepted definition of antibiotic? If something kills microscopic life, looks like it would be an antibiotic. It don't have to kill all of them, if it killed only one type, would it still not be an antibiotic? Seems one could market chlorox as an antibiotic. When I was in the dairy busniess, we used a powdered material called LaBax which smelled like chlorox and acted like it. Not all antibiotic substances have to be drinkable do they? Wayne
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sorry Ian Roe I strongly have to disagree with you saying that CS is not an antiobiotic. Because I have 100% proof that it does work, however it may not be as strong as some of the Prescription antiobiotics on the market due to all toxic junk that is im them, coming from experince and one who is infected with Ureaplasma urealyticum,(bladder,kidney and UT, and possibly co-infected with Chlamydia Trach) I know for a fact that when I take large amounts of CS the puss from the bacteria goes down in my urine. However the org can quickly adapt to the new samples of CS within 1-2 days, where it is not longer as powerful. I believe the org is repsonding to the CS much like a silver atom at a certain vibrational freq rate, (like rife tech), but just like atibioitcs, the org can quickly adapt itself to become resistant to the CS., However I have not found this to be the case with direct contact with CS only drinking it. Upon using a product like silver 100 which I always have good results with I find that if the virus like bacteria grows too much and causes pain I use the silver 100 on contact with the tissues areas that are infected and the infection goes down. The problem is the CS cant seem to get it all and and all areas of the tissues, because this is an org which both surives outside your cells as well as inside, and uses your cell as its host much like a parasite, thats why its almost classified as a parasite/bact and virus all in one. If it wasnt for my zappers and CS I would be in more pain than than I am now. Corbin --- Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com wrote: Ian Roe wrote: Well first of all, silver is not an antibiotic, doesn't work like an antibiotic at all. You are the first here to claim that CS does not kill germs. How are you ever going to support those claims that completely go against everyone's experience here? Marshall __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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HI I was wondering If I can get away with putting the following on my website for the main page, Colloidal silver is a powerful nautural antibiotic that has been around since the early Greeks and Romans. According to early 1900 records over 650 bacteria, virues, and fungi were considered treatable with silver. Can Colloidal silver be used only for killing internal infections? No!, there are many uses for Collidal silver besides just using it internally for illness's. There are probably over 1000 different uses for the solution. Some examples are sterilizing tooth brushes, adding to bath water, rinsing vegetables, fruits, and meats before storing; spray on cutting boards or even add it to your dish-washer for sterilization of your dishes, and the list goes on and on. Quicker ways to ingest Colloidal silver, can include holding the solution under your tongue(keeping away from fillings) or spraying a myst like solution of it into your nose via steam using a small atomizer. any suggestions corbin __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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silversw...@yahoo.com wrote: HI I was wondering If I can get away with putting the following on my website for the main page, Colloidal silver is a powerful nautural antibiotic that has been around since the early Greeks and Romans. According to early 1900 records over 650 bacteria, virues, and fungi were considered treatable with silver. Can Colloidal silver be used only for killing internal infections? No!, there are many uses for Collidal silver besides just using it internally for illness's. There are probably over 1000 different uses for the solution. Some examples are sterilizing tooth brushes, adding to bath water, rinsing vegetables, fruits, and meats before storing; spray on cutting boards or even add it to your dish-washer for sterilization of your dishes, and the list goes on and on. Quicker ways to ingest Colloidal silver, can include holding the solution under your tongue(keeping away from fillings) or spraying a myst like solution of it into your nose via steam using a small atomizer. any suggestions corbin You better not do that the FTC will make you pay a fine. Also you must have read my mind i have fillings in my mouth and brush my teeth with cs latley my teeth with fillings are getting sensitive what kind of harm am i doing. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour thank you - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines
