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Yes--the stretches in the book Pain Free by Pete Egoscue will do the trick. I've seen it work miracles on bone on bone issues. When you start out, it can take up to 40 minutes to do the stretches in the morning. Once the pain is gone you get down to about 10 minutes a day to keep the pain away. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- When a knee is bone-on-bone on the medial side, I don't think manipulation or anything much short of replacement will help.
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Pat, Acupuncture can relieve much, if not all of the pain in the knee. Bob - Original Message - From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:45 PM Subject: Re: CSIV Colloidal Silver I'm so glad you reminded me about bromelain. I'll start on that tonight. I have some, but it didn't do anything for the arthritis in the amount I tried, so I rarely used it. Also, I got my EpiCor today and have started on that. When a knee is bone-on-bone on the medial side, I don't think manipulation or anything much short of replacement will help. Thanks so much for all the suggestions and help. Pat Consider taking bromelain before and after surgery. Bromelain really works well. See extract below: Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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google Prolotherapy or Prolozone On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.netwrote: Pat, Acupuncture can relieve much, if not all of the pain in the knee. Bob - Original Message - From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:45 PM Subject: Re: CSIV Colloidal Silver I'm so glad you reminded me about bromelain. I'll start on that tonight. I have some, but it didn't do anything for the arthritis in the amount I tried, so I rarely used it. Also, I got my EpiCor today and have started on that. When a knee is bone-on-bone on the medial side, I don't think manipulation or anything much short of replacement will help. Thanks so much for all the suggestions and help. Pat Consider taking bromelain before and after surgery. Bromelain really works well. See extract below: Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
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A friend used acupuncture for his knee. He said it relieved all pain but it was back in a day or two. I think he tried it twice, then gave up. Pat -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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prolotherapy or prolozone will cure any arthritis in any joint. Please google and find out for yourself On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote: A friend used acupuncture for his knee. He said it relieved all pain but it was back in a day or two. I think he tried it twice, then gave up. Pat -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
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Pat, Giving up was a mistake. If he experienced pain relief even temporarily than further treatments would have given him more longer lasting or permanent pain relief. Bob - Original Message - From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:16 AM Subject: Re: CSIV Colloidal Silver A friend used acupuncture for his knee. He said it relieved all pain but it was back in a day or two. I think he tried it twice, then gave up. Pat -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Consider taking bromelain before and after surgery. Bromelain really works well. See extract below: Dan Bromelain: A Literature Review and Discussion of its Therapeutic Applications Gregory S. Kelly, N.D. Surgical Procedures and Musculoskeletal Injuries Bromelain also has therapeutic effects in the treatment of inflammation and soft tissue injuries. An early clinical trial on bromelain was conducted on 74 boxers with bruises on the face and haematomas of the orbits, lips, ears, chest and arms. Bromelain was given four times a day for 4 days or until all signs of bruising had disappeared. A control group of 72 boxers were given a placebo. In 58 of the boxers taking bromelain, all signs of bruising cleared completely in four days, with the remaining 16 requiring 8-10 days for complete clearance. In the control group, only 10 had complete clearance within four days, with the remainder requiring seven to fourteen days for resolution.43 The edema-reducing property of bromelain was investigated in traumatically-induced hindleg edema in rats. After enteral application of bromelain a significant reduction of the edema could be observed, however, parenteral application only resulted in a minimal therapeutic effect. Although enterally-applied enzymes are thought to be degraded in the gut, the better results were obtained after oral administration of bromelain, supporting the observation that bromelain can be absorbed by the gut without losing its biological properties.11 Fifty-five pre-surgical patients were divided into two groups. Group one, consisting of 22 patients, took bromelain four times a day for 48-72 hours prior to surgery and continued for 72 hours after surgery. Group two, consisting of 33 patients, took bromelain starting on the day of surgery, with the first dose administered one hour prior to surgery. Fifty percent of group one and 42.4% of group two had complete disappearance of pain and inflammation within 72 hours. Pain and inflammation persisted past 72 hours in only one member of the group supplemented with bromelain for three days prior to surgery, as opposed to five members of the group that started supplementation one hour prior to surgery. In a separate study, supplementation of bromelain starting 48-72 hours prior to surgery reduced the average number of days for complete disappearance of pain from 3.5 to 1.5, and disappearance of inflammation from 6.9 to 2.0 days, as compared with controls receiving no bromelain.44 Sixteen patients undergoing oral surgery were given bromelain four times a day starting 72 hours prior to surgery. At 24 hours after surgery, 75% of these patients were evaluated as having mild or no inflammation, in contrast to only 19% of a group receiving a placebo. Twenty-four hours after surgery, pain was either absent or mild in 38% of bromelain-treated patients, as opposed to 13% receiving placebo. After 72 hours, this increased to 75% of those in the bromelain group, as compared to only 38% in the placebo group.45 In an observation study involving 59 patients with blunt injuries to the musculoskeletal system, the efficacy and tolerability of high-dose bromelain, in addition to the usual therapeutic measures, was investigated. Treatment with bromelain resulted in a clear reduction in all four parameters tested; swelling, pain at rest and during movement, and tenderness.46 Dosage and Prescription Instructions Available research does not demonstrate an enhanced efficacy of bromelain when it is administered between meals. It is generally recommended that bromelain be taken away from food unless it is being used as a digestive aid, because it is believed that otherwise, it will tend to act as a digestive enzyme and its therapeutic benefit may be diminished. While this may in fact be the case, the clinical studies conducted on bromelain have not followed this protocol. Bromelain has shown therapeutic benefits in doses as small as 160 mg/day; however, it is thought that, for most conditions, best results occur starting at a dose of 750-1000 mg/day. Most research on bromelain has been done utilizing divided doses, usually four per day, and findings indicate that results are dose-dependent. See Table 5 for a summary of prescription instructions. On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote: Preparing mentally for my knee surgery in less than two weeks, I wanted to have a plan in case I got an infection. They are surprisingly common. Has anyone on this list had colloidal silver by IV? What is the brand that would be used? Is there a paper I could point a doctor to for the details? When I told my internal medicine doctor about the orthopaedic surgeon OK-ing my use of colloidal silver and saying he would put a silver bandage on my knee, she made a surprised face and said, Interesting. I hope she will read up on silver. . . all she knows of it is the blue man. BTW, has anyone heard anything about him lately?
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I'm so glad you reminded me about bromelain. I'll start on that tonight. I have some, but it didn't do anything for the arthritis in the amount I tried, so I rarely used it. Also, I got my EpiCor today and have started on that. When a knee is bone-on-bone on the medial side, I don't think manipulation or anything much short of replacement will help. Thanks so much for all the suggestions and help. Pat Consider taking bromelain before and after surgery. Bromelain really works well. See extract below: Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Preparing mentally for my knee surgery in less than two weeks, I wanted to have a plan in case I got an infection. They are surprisingly common. Has anyone on this list had colloidal silver by IV? What is the brand that would be used? Is there a paper I could point a doctor to for the details? When I told my internal medicine doctor about the orthopaedic surgeon OK-ing my use of colloidal silver and saying he would put a silver bandage on my knee, she made a surprised face and said, Interesting. I hope she will read up on silver. . . all she knows of it is the blue man. BTW, has anyone heard anything about him lately? Pat -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Pat if they won't work with you on the silver IV isn't there a vic C iv that they do when you go in for surgery? thanks deb --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com Subject: CSIV Colloidal Silver To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 10:52 AM Preparing mentally for my knee surgery in less than two weeks, I wanted to have a plan in case I got an infection. They are surprisingly common. Has anyone on this list had colloidal silver by IV? What is the brand that would be used? Is there a paper I could point a doctor to for the details? When I told my internal medicine doctor about the orthopaedic surgeon OK-ing my use of colloidal silver and saying he would put a silver bandage on my knee, she made a surprised face and said, Interesting. I hope she will read up on silver. . . all she knows of it is the blue man. BTW, has anyone heard anything about him lately? Pat -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Pat, Unless you have an ACL tear you might want to check out the ABCMiracles.com site and find a practitioner to treat you. Knees do have problems but unless it is direct trauma they are almost always secondary to something elsewhere and relatively quickly corrected. Dr. Jesse Jutkowitzwww.ADVBIOSTRUCTURALCORR.com Institute for Advanced BioStructural Correction™ 340 Fairmount Terrace, Fairfield, CT 06825 203.366.2746 www.advbiostructuralcorr.com Never doubt that the work of a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead Advanced BioStructural Correction™ - we are changing the face of healthcare in the world for the better. On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote: Preparing mentally for my knee surgery in less than two weeks, I wanted to have a plan in case I got an infection. They are surprisingly common. Has anyone on this list had colloidal silver by IV? What is the brand that would be used? Is there a paper I could point a doctor to for the details? When I told my internal medicine doctor about the orthopaedic surgeon OK-ing my use of colloidal silver and saying he would put a silver bandage on my knee, she made a surprised face and said, Interesting. I hope she will read up on silver. . . all she knows of it is the blue man. BTW, has anyone heard anything about him lately? Pat -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
