Re: CSozone generators/ oxygen supply source
At 06:50 AM 8/27/2007 -0700, you wrote: Ode, The main difference is in the very controlled environment levels or delivery system that the med grade generators produce. The generators are so regulated that they cannot exceed or reach the dangerous levels considered to suppress the immune system. The major difference is in the equipment and not the feed or source of oxygen needed to produce the ozone which is then introduced directly into a living environment...namely, the body. After all, are we not little sub eco systems which if not montitored can become unbalanced. ## Well, yea, but equipment is just machinery and machinery can be adjusted to do what you want it to. Is not knowing something worth $2200? I suppose to some, it is. It takes me a while to earn that much, generally less time than it takes to learn how not to spend it. A penny saved is 1.3 cents earned. [or more ] What can I say, I built myself a NEW car out of an abused junker for $1800 total, in a week. [Better than new in some ways ] It was drivers ignorance that killed it in the first place. Thus the use of welders oxygen vs medical oxygen grade...which as you correctly stated is marginal and probably profit driven. Besides, we can't have to many people on oxygen, or oxygenatedor can we? ## Excuse to buy Oxygen tanks? It's the other half of my propane cutting torch. Not so much profit driven as *fear* driven... costs lots of cash to pay others to allay your fears with certifications that you aren't breathing some contaminant that's even more present in every *other* breath you take. I mean, people get real edgy about second hand smoke in open air spaces, then take a bus to town where the same emissions are present, times 100. Ode . Gail Naranjo wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Ode, Well, it looks like Charles already answered your question. As far as getting oxygen from a welders' supply place, that is very often suggested on the Oxyplus list. Even have a handy line if questioned as to what you need it for. All you have to say is you need it for your hot tub or acquarium. That is very often how ozone users get their oxygen tanks filled all the time. Nothing new. An air fed generator is never recommended for insufflating, injecting, saunaing (is that even a word?) or IV use. It's just not because of the nitrogen oxide factor with the air fed generators. That's just the way it is. Recently some of the posts were talking about an overload of toxins relating to various illnesses. We were talking about cfids, fibromyalgia, lymes, but I'm sure the same principle applies to other illneses. Ozone therapy simply helps the body to unload the toxins, thus allowing the immune system to be able to then heal itself. The body is an awesome creation. And when functioning as it was created to, the immune system is what heals. However, when our immunse system is not functioning as it should, healing doesn't happen. All althernative protocols follow this same line of thinking, be it the Beck protocol, fasting, cleansing, ozone, riffling, whatever. It's all about removing the toxic buildup allowing the immune system to do the work it was created to do, while supporting it with proper nutritional support. Oh, sure there are a whole lot of ways to deliver the message, but it's really all the same when you get right down to it. Ozone is a very viable tool used to help with that. Study up on the subject a little more, and you might find it worth the big bucks. It is pricey for sure, but it also last a lifetime. At least the plasmafire one is guaranteed for a lifetime, which is something one might want to consider, if interested in looking into it. Gail === message truncated === Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:05:56 -0400 From: Ode Coyote So, tell me, what's the difference in medical ozone and any other ozone? Get Oxygen from a welders supply, Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Regards, Carol Ann ~ and the bush was consumed.Exodus 3:2 Reign of The Mayberry Machiavellis ends in 2008. Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48249/*http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bzgifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: 8/27/2007 6:20 PM -- No virus found in this
Re: CSozone generators/ oxygen supply source
Ode, The main difference is in the very controlled environment levels or delivery system that the med grade generators produce. The generators are so regulated that they cannot exceed or reach the dangerous levels considered to suppress the immune system. The major difference is in the equipment and not the feed or source of oxygen needed to produce the ozone which is then introduced directly into a living environment...namely, the body. After all, are we not little sub eco systems which if not montitored can become unbalanced. Thus the use of welders oxygen vs medical oxygen grade...which as you correctly stated is marginal and probably profit driven. Besides, we can't have to many people on oxygen, or oxygenatedor can we? . Gail Naranjo wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Ode, Well, it looks like Charles already answered your question. As far as getting oxygen from a welders' supply place, that is very often suggested on the Oxyplus list. Even have a handy line if questioned as to what you need it for. All you have to say is you need it for your hot tub or acquarium. That is very often how ozone users get their oxygen tanks filled all the time. Nothing new. An air fed generator is never recommended for insufflating, injecting, saunaing (is that even a word?) or IV use. It's just not because of the nitrogen oxide factor with the air fed generators. That's just the way it is. Recently some of the posts were talking about an overload of toxins relating to various illnesses. We were talking about cfids, fibromyalgia, lymes, but I'm sure the same principle applies to other illneses. Ozone therapy simply helps the body to unload the toxins, thus allowing the immune system to be able to then heal itself. The body is an awesome creation. And when functioning as it was created to, the immune system is what heals. However, when our immunse system is not functioning as it should, healing doesn't happen. All althernative protocols follow this same line of thinking, be it the Beck protocol, fasting, cleansing, ozone, riffling, whatever. It's all about removing the toxic buildup allowing the immune system to do the work it was created to do, while supporting it with proper nutritional support. Oh, sure there are a whole lot of ways to deliver the message, but it's really all the same when you get right down to it. Ozone is a very viable tool used to help with that. Study up on the subject a little more, and you might find it worth the big bucks. It is pricey for sure, but it also last a lifetime. At least the plasmafire one is guaranteed for a lifetime, which is something one might want to consider, if interested in looking into it. Gail === message truncated === Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:05:56 -0400 From: Ode Coyote So, tell me, what's the difference in medical ozone and any other ozone? Get Oxygen from a welders supply, Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Regards, Carol Ann ~ and the bush was consumed.Exodus 3:2 Reign of The Mayberry Machiavellis ends in 2008. - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
CSozone generators/ oxygen supply source
Hello Ode, Well, it looks like Charles already answered your question. As far as getting oxygen from a welders' supply place, that is very often suggested on the Oxyplus list. Even have a handy line if questioned as to what you need it for. All you have to say is you need it for your hot tub or acquarium. That is very often how ozone users get their oxygen tanks filled all the time. Nothing new. An air fed generator is never recommended for insufflating, injecting, saunaing (is that even a word?) or IV use. It's just not because of the nitrogen oxide factor with the air fed generators. That's just the way it is. Recently some of the posts were talking about an overload of toxins relating to various illnesses. We were talking about cfids, fibromyalgia, lymes, but I'm sure the same principle applies to other illneses. Ozone therapy simply helps the body to unload the toxins, thus allowing the immune system to be able to then heal itself. The body is an awesome creation. And when functioning as it was created to, the immune system is what heals. However, when our immunse system is not functioning as it should, healing doesn't happen. All althernative protocols follow this same line of thinking, be it the Beck protocol, fasting, cleansing, ozone, riffling, whatever. It's all about removing the toxic buildup allowing the immune system to do the work it was created to do, while supporting it with proper nutritional support. Oh, sure there are a whole lot of ways to deliver the message, but it's really all the same when you get right down to it. Ozone is a very viable tool used to help with that. Study up on the subject a little more, and you might find it worth the big bucks. It is pricey for sure, but it also last a lifetime. At least the plasmafire one is guaranteed for a lifetime, which is something one might want to consider, if interested in looking into it. Gail === message truncated === Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:05:56 -0400 From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net So, tell me, what's the difference in medical ozone and any other ozone? snip Get Oxygen from a welders supply, Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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You need medical grade oxygen too, except there's no difference but the price between that and welders oxygen. So, tell me, what's the difference in medical ozone and any other ozone? When is O3 in water not O3 in water? When is O3 in the air not O3 in the air? If you don't want the Nitric Acid made when running ANY Ozone generator in air, use pure Oxygen. Does the pricey device that makes the same thing even mention Nitric Acid? Get Oxygen from a welders supply, it comes out of the same hole and goes into different bottles, one with a very expensive tag on it and [I think] white paint?? rather than green...bottles made at the same factory on the same equipment. If you need a certain concentration of the same danged thing, learn how to dilute or increase/decrease feed rates. Camp stove fuel, lighter fluid, OOPS adhesive remover and Naptha...all the exact same thing, different packages and prices. Paint thinner, mineral spirits and Varsol by the 55 gallon drum or tanker full bought at a gas pump...all the same thing. Acetone by the gallon and an ounce of fingernail polish remover...same thing, far different quantity for the money and maybe some perfume added. Diesel fuel and #2 heating oil, same hole at the terminal, same tanker truck delivering it, different destinations and tax rates. Why does a Hospital buy $100,000 cardio machines...why do electronics engineers buy fancy $6,000 Oscilloscopes... when a $500 laptop can do the same thing? ..in many cases, better. The world is full of nonsense packaging to sell, that's why. Traditions and perceptions, for sale. Pay up. So, you pay $3 for a card board box to throw out instead of 10 cents worth of corn flakes in a clean jar you fished out of the garbage. But your stomach doesn't see any difference at all...because there just isn't any. People will buy a $30,000 self winding Rolex, but a $3 digital stick on clock keeps more accurate time. A minute is a minute, regardless. O3 is O3 How many people will try and sell you smaller silver ions ??? Smaller than what? The very definition of Themselves? Not Hardly. Oh golly! It's Tesla Tech ..must be something special! Maybe it was, 100 years ago, but a LOT of what Tesla diddidn't work well at all...if AT all. and a lot of what did work has been FAR surpassed. Inverter power technology has just about made the average advanced engineered transformer coil system obsolete, never mind bulky inefficient Tesla Coils that would once fill up a garden shed. Flint knives cut things. They can be very very sharp. Used one lately? Stainless steel has become far better than it once was. I hardly ever see a carbon steel knife anymore. ode At 10:23 AM 8/24/2007 -0700, you wrote: Ode said: Look into personal health swimming pool and hot tub water ozonators..around $50-$80. For insufflating (which Charles was recommending) you need a medical generator, thus the big bucks. For simply ozonating water you don't. gail Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.6/971 - Release Date: 8/24/2007 2:59 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.6/971 - Release Date: 8/24/2007 2:59 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.6/971 - Release Date: 8/24/2007 2:59 PM
CSozone generators
Ode said: Look into personal health swimming pool and hot tub water ozonators..around $50-$80. For insufflating (which Charles was recommending) you need a medical generator, thus the big bucks. For simply ozonating water you don't. gail Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I used to roll up my sleaves and dip straight into the hydrochloric acid zinc stripper bath to retrive parts that fell off the parts holders...then rinse my arm real fast before it started smoking. That did less damage than the fact that the rubber gloves were 2 shorter than the batch was deep and always had holes in them..and took too long to get off after they leaked. After a couple of weeks, it didn't even itch afterwards. The skin toughened up. My work shoes still disintegrated from the tops down and I was unable to wash my pants and still have pants afterwards. One day a supervisor saw me do that and tried it himself. Thin skinned Slow-poke! He got burned and forbad me to not use the gloves. [in reality, infinitely worse than a lightening fast dip and rinse] I rolled a drum in front of the shop doors and didn't let him in anymore. Ode === Hi Ode List, I think being practical is pretty good advice. When I first started doing ozone (saunas), I ended up actually scaring from the so called 'ozone rash'. Some said it was the 'toxins' exiting the skin, and to continue until no more rashing. People, I'd have to say use your own judgment, when using ozone. I ended up backing way off and now thoroughly love it. However, as far as the promises of it healing, I've yet to see it. Best I can come up with is that it makes me 'feel ' better, and that's not a bad thing for sure. It does seem to have it's limitations, tho. Gail Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/873 - Release Date: 6/26/2007 11:54 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/873 - Release Date: 6/26/2007 11:54 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/873 - Release Date: 6/26/2007 11:54 PM
CSOzone
From: Carol Ann saffiresk...@yahoo.com Ozone I believe, and from what I've read and from experience works its wonders in the Blood. Since using Ozone, my blood is the brighest its ever been, and the most fluid. == Hey, yourself! I just knew there had to be a reason why it made me 'feel' better. It's all in the blood. Pretty Blood Gail No kin to Pretty Boy Floyd Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hey yourself! :) Sincerely, the feeling that comes along after using Ozone is not merely psychological in nature. There are physiological manifestations that are occuring. Sanitizing/cleansing the blood is one of the major boons obtained from Ozone. http://www.stepstoperfecthealth.co.uk/articles/dark_field_microscopy_blood_analysis.htm Gail Naranjo wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Carol Ann Ozone I believe, and from what I've read and from experience works its wonders in the Blood. Since using Ozone, my blood is the brighest its ever been, and the most fluid. == Hey, yourself! I just knew there had to be a reason why it made me 'feel' better. It's all in the blood. Pretty Blood Gail No kin to Pretty Boy Floyd Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Regards, Carol Ann ~ and the bush was consumed.Exodus 3:2 Reign of The Mayberry Machiavellis ends in 2008. - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.
CSOzone
--- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: ** Make no mistake. Ozone WILL burn healthy tissues and so will Hydrogen Peroxide. Unhealthy tissues burn more easily, like tinder compared to oak beams. It's use *can* be practical, similar to sanding a wall to prep it for a new coat of cellular paint, but you can also sand that wall to dust. === Hi Ode List, I think being practical is pretty good advice. When I first started doing ozone (saunas), I ended up actually scaring from the so called 'ozone rash'. Some said it was the 'toxins' exiting the skin, and to continue until no more rashing. People, I'd have to say use your own judgment, when using ozone. I ended up backing way off and now thoroughly love it. However, as far as the promises of it healing, I've yet to see it. Best I can come up with is that it makes me 'feel ' better, and that's not a bad thing for sure. It does seem to have it's limitations, tho. Gail Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hey Gail.and and all. Sometimes things cannot be seen or readily observed. Ozone I believe, and from what I've read and from experience works its wonders in the Blood. Since using Ozone, my blood is the brighest its ever been, and the most fluid. If you've ever had the opportunity to see your blood through a dark field microscope you would be shocked by the parasites that can and do share the same life lines. One will never be completely free of blood pathogens, viligence is required. I've never overdone Ozone, and I enjoy it on a regular basis. I agree whole heartedly with Gail.Ozone like anything else should be taken at your own pace, according to your own needs and tolerence levels. regards to all.. Gail Naranjo wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote: --- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: ** Make no mistake. Ozone WILL burn healthy tissues and so will Hydrogen Peroxide. Unhealthy tissues burn more easily, like tinder compared to oak beams. It's use *can* be practical, similar to sanding a wall to prep it for a new coat of cellular paint, but you can also sand that wall to dust. === Hi Ode List, I think being practical is pretty good advice. When I first started doing ozone (saunas), I ended up actually scaring from the so called 'ozone rash'. Some said it was the 'toxins' exiting the skin, and to continue until no more rashing. People, I'd have to say use your own judgment, when using ozone. I ended up backing way off and now thoroughly love it. However, as far as the promises of it healing, I've yet to see it. Best I can come up with is that it makes me 'feel ' better, and that's not a bad thing for sure. It does seem to have it's limitations, tho. Gail Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Regards, Carol Ann ~ and the bush was consumed.Exodus 3:2 Reign of The Mayberry Machiavellis ends in 2008. - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
Re: CSOzone
Ozone is a highly corrosive organic substance oxidizer. It'll eat the tires right off your car over time. [dry rot] I've replaced many a drill cord due to the ozone the drill motor made. ..a few scrubbing bubbles can be useful. Too many? Watch that Brillo pad. It can remove pan too. Ode -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.0 - Release Date: 5/31/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Ozone can be used for health, it is very good at killing pathogens. It is a very reactive form of oxygen, and in the environment it reacts with some pollutants in the air that are rather non-noxious, and produce very noxious smog. Whether or not ozone itself can be damaging to the lungs is disputed, some make a good case that it is not the ozone that damages lungs, but rather oxides of nitrogen which often accompany ozone. Pat wrote: Why are we so concerned about ozone in the environment and yet people are making it with home machines? Pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Why are we so concerned about ozone in the environment and yet people are making it with home machines? Ozone as a component of photochemical smog, produces the irritation that everybody talks about as it combines with the raunchy soup of chemicals in the air to produce who knows what. If I remember correctly, when ozone is made by a plasma in room air the water vapor in the air combines with the nitrogen to produce traces of nitric acid vapor, which also causes irritation. Air purifiers that are designed to generate ozone need to limit the amount they produce to safe levels for this reason. Ozone made with pure dry oxygen in a medical ozone generator, is safe and very useful, so I hear, if you know what you're doing with it. It's a subject that is well worth studying in greater depth. The negative generalities you get from the authorities either ignore or purposely mis-state the conditions that cause irritation. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Why are we so concerned about ozone in the environment and yet people are making it with home machines? Pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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the rate at which we are destroying it out strips the capacity at which we can produce it. Home units can't compete with the destructive industrial machines and chemicals. From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSOzone Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Why are we so concerned about ozone in the environment and yet people are making it with home machines? Pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Apparently Ozone in the higher layer of the atmosphere is good, but ozone near us is not? Ozone pollution is known to be harmful. How Ozone Pollution Works by Craig C. Freudenrich, Ph.D Effects of Ozone When you inhale ozone, it travels throughout your respiratory tract. Because ozone is very corrosive, it damages the bronchioles and alveoli in your lungs, air sacs that are important for gas exchange (see How Your Lungs Work for details). Repeated exposure to ozone can inflame lung tissues and cause respiratory infections. Ozone exposure can aggravate existing respiratory conditions such as asthma, reduce your lung function and capacity for exercise and cause chest pains and coughing. Young children and the elderly are most susceptible to the high levels of ozone encountered during the summer. In addition to effects on humans, the corrosive nature of ozone can damage plants and trees. High levels of ozone can destroy agricultural crops and forest vegetation. Pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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To get ozone poisoning it has to be in extremely high levels which home units will not produce. Your furnace during heating or even wooden stove produces more polution the the ozone machine will ever come close too. The home furnace produces enough hydrocarbons too seriously ill anyone who doesn't have the proper filtration and flute installed. The domestic home is a ces (spelling) pool for disease. staying in is what makes people sick not the cold. like everything out there alway an under or over exageration to things. eg would be the CS topics discussed here. From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSOzone Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Apparently Ozone in the higher layer of the atmosphere is good, but ozone near us is not? Ozone pollution is known to be harmful. How Ozone Pollution Works by Craig C. Freudenrich, Ph.D Effects of Ozone When you inhale ozone, it travels throughout your respiratory tract. Because ozone is very corrosive, it damages the bronchioles and alveoli in your lungs, air sacs that are important for gas exchange (see How Your Lungs Work for details). Repeated exposure to ozone can inflame lung tissues and cause respiratory infections. Ozone exposure can aggravate existing respiratory conditions such as asthma, reduce your lung function and capacity for exercise and cause chest pains and coughing. Young children and the elderly are most susceptible to the high levels of ozone encountered during the summer. In addition to effects on humans, the corrosive nature of ozone can damage plants and trees. High levels of ozone can destroy agricultural crops and forest vegetation. Pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Pat, I've been using a medical ozone generator for almost 4 yrs now. I do inhalation...filtered through olive oil. May I suggest that you do not believe all the hype until you have done some more extensive research. Medicine men/women in Europe have been using successfully for years to treat all manner of illnesses...with great success. Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote: Apparently Ozone in the higher layer of the atmosphere is good, but ozone near us is not? Ozone pollution is known to be harmful. How Ozone Pollution Works by Craig C. Freudenrich, Ph.D Effects of Ozone When you inhale ozone, it travels throughout your respiratory tract. Because ozone is very corrosive, it damages the bronchioles and alveoli in your lungs, air sacs that are important for gas exchange (see How Your Lungs Work for details). Repeated exposure to ozone can inflame lung tissues and cause respiratory infections. Ozone exposure can aggravate existing respiratory conditions such as asthma, reduce your lung function and capacity for exercise and cause chest pains and coughing. Young children and the elderly are most susceptible to the high levels of ozone encountered during the summer. In addition to effects on humans, the corrosive nature of ozone can damage plants and trees. High levels of ozone can destroy agricultural crops and forest vegetation. Pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Regards, Carol Ann ___ Visit: http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/action.shtml ___ God is what you can find in anything you look at if you look long enough. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CSOzone.....The Story of Ozone
In a message dated 6/1/2006 6:21:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, saffiresk...@yahoo.com writes: Pat, I've been using a medical ozone generator for almost 4 yrs now. I do inhalation...filtered through olive oil. May I suggest that you do not believe all the hype until you have done some more extensive research. Medicine men/women in Europe have been using successfully for years to treat all manner of illnesses...with great success. _http://www.mmfnd.org/NL/ONN/WS/ozon004.html_ (http://www.mmfnd.org/NL/ONN/WS/ozon004.html) _http://www.oxygenmedicine.com/ozonenotsmog.html_ (http://www.oxygenmedicine.com/ozonenotsmog.html) I have too Pat..Edith
RE: CSOzone
Ozone Generators Create Home Smog http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=61972 So, now I've read that ozone kills bacteria and viruses and can deodorize the air. I wonder if there is less disease during times of high pollution (aside from lung problems), or does it just combine into unhelpful chemicals? Thanks for the links. I definitely need to do much more reading. Pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOzone
Hi, I have uploaded a zipped file which contains two documents written by Dr. Saul Pressman about ozone and what it will cure. If you have any additional questions after reading these two documents, you may contact Dr. Pressman via his own list ozonether...@yahoogroups.com. If I developed any kind of threatening disease, ozone treatment would be my first choice. http://www.itsmyplace.com/ozone/ozone.zip Ciao, Craig -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CSOzone.....The Story of Ozone
Me three. ;-) We have a medical ozone generator we purchased from Saul Pressman at Plasmafire (service and support has been over the top for the last 5 yrs) and we also use an Aranizer upstairs and it runs 24/7. Wendy canada -Original Message- From: ejohns9...@aol.com [mailto:ejohns9...@aol.com] Sent: June 1, 2006 7:26 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOzone.The Story of Ozone In a message dated 6/1/2006 6:21:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, saffiresk...@yahoo.com writes: Pat, I've been using a medical ozone generator for almost 4 yrs now. I do inhalation...filtered through olive oil. May I suggest that you do not believe all the hype until you have done some more extensive research. Medicine men/women in Europe have been using successfully for years to treat all manner of illnesses...with great success. http://www.mmfnd.org/NL/ONN/WS/ozon004.html http://www.oxygenmedicine.com/ozonenotsmog.html I have too Pat..Edith
Re: CSOzone
Hi Mike, My generator is corona discharge, is used with Oxygen and is quite safe. Tis true, as you say, the subject is well worth studying but one would have to look to beyond America, to European or Russian studies because there is very little available research in this country due to FDA and negative generalities. Like Silver as an agent of healing, it's been condemned due to the paucity of economic profit to be harvested by its denouncers. Certainly, what one does generally find is info presented from a mfg or vendor perspective. Reasonable doubt as to its effectiveness on the part of those indoctrinated by agency propaganda and disinformation is very understandable. again, not unlike C Silver and the bad press its been up against for years. Some links worth perusing. http://www.rexresearch.com/ozonther/oz1.htm Medical ozone therapy is recognized in Bulgaria, Cuba, Czech Republic, French, Germany, Israel, Italy, Mexico, Romania and Russia. It is currently used legally in 16 Nations. At least 12 states in the USA ~ AK, AZ, CO, GA, MN, NY, NC, OH, OK, OR, SC and WA, and FL have passed legislation to ensure that alternative therapies are available to consumers. Physicians in those states can legally use ozone as an alternative treatment in their practice without fear of prosecution. http://www.unisi.it/ricerca/dip/fisiologia/personale/docenti/bocci.htm http://www.campusi.com/author_Velio_Bocci.htm http://www.triroc.com/sunnen/topics/hepc.htm http://www.altered-state.com/healing/cancer.htm http://www.appliedozone.com/references.html http://www.appliedozone.com/references.html Regards, Carol Ann M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: Ozone made with pure dry oxygen in a medical ozone generator, is safe and very useful, so I hear, if you know what you're doing with it. It's a subject that is well worth studying in greater depth. The negative generalities you get from the authorities either ignore or purposely mis-state the conditions that cause irritation. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Regards, Carol Ann ___ Visit: http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/action.shtml ___ God is what you can find in anything you look at if you look long enough. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
CSOzone generator
A while back I came upon a site that had instructions for building a cold plasma ozone generator, complete with pictures. Now I can no longer locate the link. Does anyone know of anything like this? Thanks, Dan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 12/30/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOzone and pools
In a message dated 10/4/2005 1:01:12 PM Mountain Daylight Time, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes: So wouldn't that mean you could use it in the pool in place of chemicals??? We use partial ozone, but ozone won't kill algae. we have an ozone hot tub over 1 year and so far no algae. I use no chemicals. best hot tub in town. Barb
CSOzone
Here are some sources on ozone used in medicine. 1. Historical Development Of Oxygen/Ozone Therapy: Pioneers In Ozone Therapy, Renate Viebahn, Karl Haug Publ., Heidelberg, 1994. 2. Oxygen-Ozone Therapy: A Critical Evaluation, Velio Ricci, Kluwer, Boston, 2002. 3. Use Of Ozone In Medicine, Siegfried Rilling, Medicina Biologica, Portland, 1987. Best regards, Matthew
CSOzone and prions
http://www.triroc.com/sunnen/topics/prion.htm Prions are nearly indestructible and ineradicable. That's why they are so feared. The link given above suggests, however, that ozone might be effective against prions. Best regards, Matthew
Re: CSOzone
I understand that, but H2O2 also breaks down silver oxides. Why, I can't say for sure. Dip that black electrode in some and watch. Ode At 08:22 AM 9/16/2004 -0500, you wrote: Deoxidize Ode? H2O2 is a strong oxidizing agent. That is why it will bleach your clothes if you use a strong enough concentration. In fact will eat holes right through cotton at 35%. Ozone ( O3 ) and H2O2 both give off oxygen to the system. Garnet On Thu, 2004-09-16 at 07:23, Ode Coyote wrote: I would think it would oxidize the ions and make the CS go brown. Making CS in heavily ozonated water does that. Perhaps silver peroxides. I don't now if that's a good, indifferent or bad thing. Perhaps ozonating to oxidize, then adding some peroxide to de-oxidize? ..might just give you a true colloid. ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I believe you Ode. Experience beats out theory any day! Thanks Garnet On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 06:09, Ode Coyote wrote: I understand that, but H2O2 also breaks down silver oxides. Why, I can't say for sure. Dip that black electrode in some and watch. Ode At 08:22 AM 9/16/2004 -0500, you wrote: Deoxidize Ode? H2O2 is a strong oxidizing agent. That is why it will bleach your clothes if you use a strong enough concentration. In fact will eat holes right through cotton at 35%. Ozone ( O3 ) and H2O2 both give off oxygen to the system. Garnet On Thu, 2004-09-16 at 07:23, Ode Coyote wrote: I would think it would oxidize the ions and make the CS go brown. Making CS in heavily ozonated water does that. Perhaps silver peroxides. I don't now if that's a good, indifferent or bad thing. Perhaps ozonating to oxidize, then adding some peroxide to de-oxidize? ..might just give you a true colloid. ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone
I would think it would oxidize the ions and make the CS go brown. Making CS in heavily ozonated water does that. Perhaps silver peroxides. I don't now if that's a good, indifferent or bad thing. Perhaps ozonating to oxidize, then adding some peroxide to de-oxidize? ..might just give you a true colloid. ode At 03:19 PM 9/15/2004 -0700, you wrote: Hi List: Anyone have any comments about maybe Ozonating c/s for catheder flooding of the bladder.. Real question is does ozonating c/s change any chemistry significantly.?? Tks... grant.. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone
Deoxidize Ode? H2O2 is a strong oxidizing agent. That is why it will bleach your clothes if you use a strong enough concentration. In fact will eat holes right through cotton at 35%. Ozone ( O3 ) and H2O2 both give off oxygen to the system. Garnet On Thu, 2004-09-16 at 07:23, Ode Coyote wrote: I would think it would oxidize the ions and make the CS go brown. Making CS in heavily ozonated water does that. Perhaps silver peroxides. I don't now if that's a good, indifferent or bad thing. Perhaps ozonating to oxidize, then adding some peroxide to de-oxidize? ..might just give you a true colloid. ode At 03:19 PM 9/15/2004 -0700, you wrote: Hi List: Anyone have any comments about maybe Ozonating c/s for catheder flooding of the bladder.. Real question is does ozonating c/s change any chemistry significantly.?? Tks... grant.. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone
Garnet wrote: Deoxidize Ode? H2O2 is a strong oxidizing agent. That is why it will bleach your clothes if you use a strong enough concentration. In fact will eat holes right through cotton at 35%. Ozone ( O3 ) and H2O2 both give off oxygen to the system. H2O2 may actually reduce silver oxide to silver from what I have read. The reaction is AgO + H2O2 - Ag + H2O + O2. Apparently the O free radical has more affinity for the O in the Silver oxide, than for the silver. Does seem odd though. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone
I am not a chemist so you could very well be right Marshall. Generally though H2O2 acts as an oxidizing agent because it gives up one of its oxygen atoms so readily. Thank you for the insight! Garnet On Thu, 2004-09-16 at 09:05, Marshall Dudley wrote: Garnet wrote: Deoxidize Ode? H2O2 is a strong oxidizing agent. That is why it will bleach your clothes if you use a strong enough concentration. In fact will eat holes right through cotton at 35%. Ozone ( O3 ) and H2O2 both give off oxygen to the system. H2O2 may actually reduce silver oxide to silver from what I have read. The reaction is AgO + H2O2 - Ag + H2O + O2. Apparently the O free radical has more affinity for the O in the Silver oxide, than for the silver. Does seem odd though. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOzone
Hi List: Anyone have any comments about maybe Ozonating c/s for catheder flooding of the bladder.. Real question is does ozonating c/s change any chemistry significantly.?? Tks... grant.. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone water
Ozonated water will only stay ozonated for about 20 minutes, as ozone is very unstable. It breaks down into hydrogen peroxide and oxygen, so you will have super-oxygenated water for several hours (I have checked this with a blood gas analyzer). The water has been sterilized and some impurities neutralized, so it is worth covering and keeping it, even if it no longer contains ozone. Paul H - Original Message - From: oldgl...@bigcountry.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 6:38 AM Subject: CSOzone water Hi, My Mother is using a Nature-Kleen to ozonate some drinking water for the first time. Does anyone know if you can make up this special water and put a lid on it, to keep for future use, or do you have to make it up fresh every time? We will try some CS in the ozonated water after we try the first glass without CS. We want to see how it tastes. Thank you, Jean Baugh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone water
Depends on why you are ozonating. The bacteria that the ozone kills stay dead, so the water can be kept for later use. But if you are wanting the ozone, that sticks around for only a few minutes before reducing back to oxygen and degassing. Marshall oldgl...@bigcountry.net wrote: Hi, My Mother is using a Nature-Kleen to ozonate some drinking water for the first time. Does anyone know if you can make up this special water and put a lid on it, to keep for future use, or do you have to make it up fresh every time? We will try some CS in the ozonated water after we try the first glass without CS. We want to see how it tastes. Thank you, Jean Baugh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOzone water
Hi, My Mother is using a Nature-Kleen to ozonate some drinking water for the first time. Does anyone know if you can make up this special water and put a lid on it, to keep for future use, or do you have to make it up fresh every time? We will try some CS in the ozonated water after we try the first glass without CS. We want to see how it tastes. Thank you, Jean Baugh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSozone machines,,
Great Flick! I've got to try to get to know this guy. JOH -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:03 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSozone machines,, On Wed, 21 May 2003 01:31:13 -0700 (PDT), Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com wrote: Several inches. 13 inch length coils Here I am drawing an arc from from flux cap design, If you imagine I have fabricated this info http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/FC/Dsc00233.jpg Whoa, Harvey!!! THAT is some IMPRESSIVE setup!!! What inspired you to go THAT route? Chuck .signature not found! reformat hard drive? [Yn] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSozone machine
Hi Mike; I owe you an apology for being rude myself - mea culpa! However the length of Harve's posts is no measure of his facility in English, nor in techno-argot, quite the contrary. I will do my best to fumble through the circuitry and offer what I can, but I am neither able to reproduce the constructions such as coils nor to devote much expertise to it. I would suggest that a program using spice will be limited by the conceptual limits built into it, and other anomalous results would simply not appear; this is neither more nor less than the theoretical - or imaginative - constructions built into any explanatory paradigm. At 07:59 PM 5/21/03 -0400, you wrote: RE: CSozone machine From: Malcolm Stebbins Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:00:34 Mike; How about you repeat all of your messages to Harvey in grammatically and technically correct Russian?? Seems no more than fair. Then you might also adopt a less supercilious stance - in lieu of an outright apology for rudeness. Malcolm Thanks, Malcolm. Harvey speaks pretty good English, and has no trouble posting long dissertations on his process. But we still don't know if this circuit is the one he is using: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59282.html The only information Harvey posted on his process was contained in this post http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59183.html If you think this diagram http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/BRS/BRT.jpg is the same as this one http://www3.sympatico.ca/add.automation/misc/2eb56731.gif then please let me know. If it is, then in this application it can be replaced by a single resistor. After looking at Harvey's diagram, I also had to change my original guess at the way his circuit operated. It turns out I was right in the first place: Since the variac is in series with the tank, the only way you could obtain a resonance effect would be to take the voltage across the tank, or in parallel with L1 and C1. However, your description is the cell is also in series with the tank. http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59221.html Harvey also changed the description of several key points after I asked for detailed information. The impedance dropped from around 40,000 ohms to 20,000 ohms, which is more in line with reality. There is no rectifier used in my analysis. Claiming high cost is a typical method Tesla followers have of dissuading people to try to duplicate their process: The GREAT expenses here are that large induction coils, employing some 40,000 ohms impedance are on either side of the CS cell, but with capacities having identical impedances in series, this serves to regulate the voltage in such a way as to continually lower it to the lowest possible value that the C.L. setting will provide. http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59183.html The cost of the coils is greatly exaggerated. It is not $500 as he claims. It might be closer to $25.00. It is not unusual for advocates of Tesla technology to do this, nor is it unusual for them to ascribe unrelated effects, such as the phase of the moon, to the outcome of a process. Harvey did this often. Here's one example and I plan another batch tonight durring the almost full moon http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59087.html The confusing information Harvey provided, and the lack of a clear description of his circuit led me to believe he could not have built a machine using the process he described, and that he was misleading the members of this group on his results. We still don't know if my guess at his circuit is accurate. I think it is. But there is no reason to post results on a process without including the full details needed to duplicate the process. And it should not require guessing. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.470 / Virus Database: 268 - Release Date: 4/8/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.470 / Virus Database: 268 - Release Date: 4/8/03
RE: CSozone machine/ HDN explains bipolar resonant circuit
--- Mike Monett ncrffn...@sneakemail.com wrote: From: Harvey Norris Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:29:46 PS check your prices for 9 miles of 23 gauge wire, as that is what these coils employ. There is no need to pay catalog price. There are plenty of surplus electronics places that keep 50 lb rolls of wire in the back storeroom, because nobody wants them. A little negotiation, and they sometimes take what they can get to get rid of it. It might not be the same gauge, but this doesn't matter. Gauge does matter because a magnetic field is determined by amp-turns, so for a equal resistnace of wire, a smaller gauge gives more amp turns of magnetic field vs the source voltage input for both cases. Magnetic field is (roughly) equivalent to inductance, and also q factor proportionally speaking. Besides, there is no need for a 60 Henry choke and miles of wire. A 1 Henry would do exactly the same thing. The key is the Q of the circuit. I'm sure you understand that Q is roughly the ratio of inductive reactance to resistance,[X(L)/R] and that inductive reactance is proportional to the inductance L: but however L itself is not a linear relationship to the amount of winds, also determined by R. Using 60 times less inductance does not imply the same Q factor because of the non linear relationship of winds/vs inductance. It would be easy to increase the Q by using a ferrite or good quality iron core. By theory yes: but ideal vs real performances do not match theory at all. Iron cores simply do not resonate well. I agree that some ferrites may do somewhat better, but the ratio of predicted vs real performances is very vast. Even the air core coils I use suffer from this ideal vs real performance ratio problem. Resonant transformers are often used in power regulation applications. This would add the cost of the core, and reduce the amount of wire needed. But the fact remains. The circuit presents a constant impedance between the variac and the silver cell. A simple 5 cent resistor would do exactly the same thing. Please explain how a resistor can have impedance which is strictly a quality of inductance? Best Regards HDN = Tesla Research Group; Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSozone machine
You wrote: Dear sir: I havent had the time to wade through the posts on CS list: SO I AM ONLY RESPONDING HERE FIRST. Harvey, Your first responsibility is to provide proof that you have a working circuit. Please supply the following information: 1. What is the inductance of L1 and L2. 2. What is the coil diameter. 3. What is the coil thickness. 4. How many turns of wire are needed. 5. What gauge of wire is used. 6. What is the dc resistance of the coil. 7. What is the value of C1 and C2. 8. What is the circuit Q. 9. What is the input current from the variac. 10. What is the circulating current at resonance. 11. What is the voltage across the tank at resonance. 12. What is the impedance of the colloidal silver cell. 13. How much does the circuit Q change as the ions enter solution. 14. How are you introducing current from the variac. 15. How are you extracting current from the tank. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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--- Mike Monett ncrffn...@sneakemail.com wrote: RE: CSozone machines Chuck, Anyone who studies engineering starts with the International System of Units, or SI-Units. There are seven SI base units and 22 derived units, with very strict rules of usage: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/ The term amperage is not an engineering term. It is sometimes found in fuse and circuit breaker charts written by stock clerks. It is often found in technobabble, such as the posts submitted by Harvey. In order for his stories on making cs to be credible, others have to be able to duplicate his results. You will not repicate thes results without substantial investments. Your disbelieve will now be abscounded. I also work for a living and dont always have the time to respond to petty inqueries. I do this thing as a heritage, not for a living, at least give one the time to get home from work before declaring a non reponce I have requested that he supply me with engineering data on his setup, as shown in the following list: 1. What is the inductance of L1 and L2. 60 henries, before the coils are brought into mutual inductance. This gives 20,000 ohms impedancece individually. 2. What is the coil diameter. 5 inches ID of 20,000 winds 23 gauge wire, some 9 miles of wire on each coil. 3. What is the coil thickness. Several inches. 13 inch length coils Here I am drawing an arc from from flux cap design, If you imagine I have fabricated this info http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/FC/Dsc00233.jpg In fact here you can see 3 of these coils and the dimensions, and that particular work is not even negotiated from your man made 60 hz power sources, instead, it is made from my own alternator AC at 480 hz from AC converted car alternators. Each of these coils cost over 500 dollars, and I have experimented with the relationships involved self manufactured 3 phase: whereby resonances can be interphased in spacings. Essentially this is why over 180 members follow my research, because I am doing things that have not been done before. So I am no hillbilly electrical engineer as you would imply, and I know precisely what I am talking about. 4. How many turns of wire are needed. 20,000 winds 5. What gauge of wire is used. 23 gauge 6. What is the dc resistance of the coil. 1000 ohms 7. What is the value of C1 and C2. .12 microfarad. 8. What is the circuit Q. 15 for each coil at 60 hz 9. What is the input current from the variac. 10 volts for the cited ~ 1ma across silver electrodes, on a 12 hr batch. Current Input was measured at .35 ma for an input at .55 ma, establishing 1 ma on a sample already exposed for an hour as an example. This is resonant rise of amperage principle, with intervening diodes to convert to DC. 10. What is the circulating current at resonance. On a dead short the q is 10, meaning that .5 ma will allow 5 ma circulation in tank, however the CS cell never should approximate those things. This only means the input will not approach what is shown with a dead short. THE DEAD SHORT IS THE C.L. used for start of batch. 11. What is the voltage across the tank at resonance. For a 1 ma C.L.( current limited): a 10 volt input from variac is commonly used. Losses are inherent with many cells in parallel. 12. What is the impedance of the colloidal silver cell. Comparable to the internal impedance of the process used to current limit it. 13. How much does the circuit Q change as the ions enter solution. I would have to have an extra AC meter on the input itself to give definitive answer here. The more conductive the soltuion becomes, the higher the q factor as as tank. To give an understanding here, initially the output voltage is greater than the source, and this is when the circuit functions as voltage gain. On finish it functions as amperage gain, but at finish the output voltage is lesser than that inputed. Since the power input for CS solutions is somewhat irrelative, I have no answer here at the present time. 14. How are you introducing current from the variac. By direct line connection to to coils and caps on either side of the CS cell. 15. How are you extracting current from the tank. By the midpoint pathway of a figure 8 tank circuit: something I myself discovered and promoted as a binary resonant tank. It is a circuit hybrid of 180 phased series resonances that only becomes the figure 8 tank when the resistances between the resonances become low enough to approximate the internal impedances of the sourcings. However, I have already shown his circuit to be impossible to construct: Please show me how what you consider I have already brought into reality to be so Impossible? http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59221.html And I invite anyone to try and duplicate his results. If it is not possible to do so, then his stories
RE: CSozone machine
Ref: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59248.html Harvey, Thank you for the information. I will review it and post further questions. Please supply a complete wiring diagram for your circuit. This could be a schematic, a nodelist, a wirelist, or any suitable diagram that shows how each component is connected to the others. It must be clear enough so others could duplicate your circuit. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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When you can get your concept to work in SPICE, you can be reasonably sure it will work in actual hardware. If it won't work in SPICE, you can be certain it won't work in actual hardware. Best Regards, Mike Monett I WORK from the reverse scenario: first my circuits work from inside THE MIND, AND THEN I ASK FOR CONFIRMATIONS. harvich dmitry = Tesla Research Group; Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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--- Mike Monett ncrffn...@sneakemail.com wrote: Ref: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59248.html Harvey, Thank you for the information. I will review it and post further questions. A similar approach might be had by by employing a variac to a NST, shorted by the CS cell. A NST secondary in of itself is a current limited source of output. That output will not cause an excessive input amperage. A 30 ma NST as output of course becomes much smaller with a reduced input voltage by variac. Thus a 30/1 ratio from 120 volts becomes a meager 4 volts input by variac. This would then be a current limited supply of 1 ma, if the transformer would work that way. One of the things that may become interesting, something I have set up but not yet tested. Folks say that a ferromagnetic source is a stiff source, but if we have an input to limit things, there may be possibilities there. Perhaps the variac is a real key to current limiting. HDN __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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RE: CSozone machine From: Harvey Norris Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 03:46:12 Harvey, I am still waiting for a description of your circuit for verification, but in the meantime, I have completely analyzed the only arrangement possible. It is considerably different from the descriptions in your earlier postings. If true, this is a very old configuration, and has been used in telephone filter circuits since just after World War 1. It is used in phase shift networks from audio to microwave. There are similar versions that have all-pass characteristics. It is by no means a constant-current circuit. In fact, the entire thing could be replaced by a single resistor and a voltage source. If you placed both circuits in black boxes and looked at the current through the cell, you would be unable to tell the difference between them. Your lack of understanding of common engineering circuits, and your incredibly garbled descriptions led me to believe you could not have built the circuit, and were therefore lying to the list members. Especially after you posted the link to the diagram showing L1C1 and L2C2, plus a description that can only be classified as technobabble. I now apologize, and retract that statement. It is clear you have built it, and you are getting some results. But your understanding of how it works would be considerably enhanced if you were to learn SPICE. It would also save you the time and expense of winding coils. Resistors are much cheaper. I will post links to the SPICE analysis when I get confirmation that it is the same one you are using. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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On Wed, 21 May 2003 01:31:13 -0700 (PDT), Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com wrote: Several inches. 13 inch length coils Here I am drawing an arc from from flux cap design, If you imagine I have fabricated this info http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/FC/Dsc00233.jpg Whoa, Harvey!!! THAT is some IMPRESSIVE setup!!! What inspired you to go THAT route? Chuck .signature not found! reformat hard drive? [Yn] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Mike Monett wrote: Your grasp of circuit theory is very limited, and your terminology is not accurate. For example, there is no term called amperage. Maybe you need a new dictionary. I use the term all the time and find it in the dictionary: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionaryva=amperage Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Mike; How about you repeat all of your messages to Harvey in grammatically and technically correct Russian?? Seems no more than fair. Then you might also adopt a less supercilious stance - in lieu of an outright apology for rudeness. Malcolm At 05:49 AM 5/21/03 -0400, you wrote: Ref: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59248.html Harvey, Thank you for the information. I will review it and post further questions. Please supply a complete wiring diagram for your circuit. This could be a schematic, a nodelist, a wirelist, or any suitable diagram that shows how each component is connected to the others. It must be clear enough so others could duplicate your circuit. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.470 / Virus Database: 268 - Release Date: 4/8/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.470 / Virus Database: 268 - Release Date: 4/8/03
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RE: CSozone machine From: Malcolm Stebbins Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:00:34 Mike; How about you repeat all of your messages to Harvey in grammatically and technically correct Russian?? Seems no more than fair. Then you might also adopt a less supercilious stance - in lieu of an outright apology for rudeness. Malcolm Thanks, Malcolm. Harvey speaks pretty good English, and has no trouble posting long dissertations on his process. But we still don't know if this circuit is the one he is using: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59282.html The only information Harvey posted on his process was contained in this post http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59183.html If you think this diagram http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/BRS/BRT.jpg is the same as this one http://www3.sympatico.ca/add.automation/misc/2eb56731.gif then please let me know. If it is, then in this application it can be replaced by a single resistor. After looking at Harvey's diagram, I also had to change my original guess at the way his circuit operated. It turns out I was right in the first place: Since the variac is in series with the tank, the only way you could obtain a resonance effect would be to take the voltage across the tank, or in parallel with L1 and C1. However, your description is the cell is also in series with the tank. http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59221.html Harvey also changed the description of several key points after I asked for detailed information. The impedance dropped from around 40,000 ohms to 20,000 ohms, which is more in line with reality. There is no rectifier used in my analysis. Claiming high cost is a typical method Tesla followers have of dissuading people to try to duplicate their process: The GREAT expenses here are that large induction coils, employing some 40,000 ohms impedance are on either side of the CS cell, but with capacities having identical impedances in series, this serves to regulate the voltage in such a way as to continually lower it to the lowest possible value that the C.L. setting will provide. http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59183.html The cost of the coils is greatly exaggerated. It is not $500 as he claims. It might be closer to $25.00. It is not unusual for advocates of Tesla technology to do this, nor is it unusual for them to ascribe unrelated effects, such as the phase of the moon, to the outcome of a process. Harvey did this often. Here's one example and I plan another batch tonight durring the almost full moon http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59087.html The confusing information Harvey provided, and the lack of a clear description of his circuit led me to believe he could not have built a machine using the process he described, and that he was misleading the members of this group on his results. We still don't know if my guess at his circuit is accurate. I think it is. But there is no reason to post results on a process without including the full details needed to duplicate the process. And it should not require guessing. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSozone machine/ HDN explains bipolar resonant circuit
--- Mike Monett ncrffn...@sneakemail.com wrote: But we still don't know if this circuit is the one he is using: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59282.html Great work here: I see you have the jist of things. The 330 k however might be better represented as 1 k, or 1000 ohms, as this is the actual resistance of the 23 gauge wire coils, some 9 miles of wire, about a 80 lb coil. The only information Harvey posted on his process was contained in this post http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59183.html If you think this diagram http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/BRS/BRT.jpg is the same as this one http://www3.sympatico.ca/add.automation/misc/2eb56731.gif then please let me know. If it is, then in this application it can be replaced by a single resistor. Yes it is. I dont understand how things can be replaced by a single resistor however, After looking at Harvey's diagram, I also had to change my original guess at the way his circuit operated. It turns out I was right in the first place: Since the variac is in series with the tank, the only way you could obtain a resonance effect would be to take the voltage across the tank, or in parallel with L1 and C1. However, your description is the cell is also in series with the tank. I dont see where I offered that description. The variac is NOT in series with the schematic, it is in parallel as the source of voltage. Let me again describe what I am trying to convey, and also apologize for my apparent rude responce. Most of us know the full wave rectifier circuit. The circuit I am speaking of has exactly the same context, only the forward conducting diodes are replaced with inductors L1 and L2, and the reverse conducting diodes are replaced with capcitors C1 and C2, as I have shown in the diagram. On each side of the diamond, L and C are resonant to the source 60 hz frequency. 60 hz resonant circuits are not very common, due to the required sizings. Let me rehash some past info on this set up; The 60 henry, 1000 ohm coil, when inputed to wall voltage 60 hz will current limit things down to ~ 5-6 ma. It has ~20,000 ohms (measured by reactive current)impedance. Now if I was to simply to put in series a rectification for a DC current through a CS cell, we would then have to add the resistance of the cell to the equation. I am not doing that. As You know I could add a capacitor to resonate to that inductor. This would make a voltage rise to cause the current go up q times the original reactive current. The voltage rise can then be measured from the middle of the LC series combination to either outside end. Then we could replicate this same circuit in reverse, the order in which the L and C quantities are put in series with respect to the source) and again we would have a voltage rise, measured from the middle to either outside ending. But with respect to each circuit, when one circuit undergoes a voltage rise, so does the other, but each of these voltage rises are in opposite directions. We could call that a bipolar series resonant rise of voltage. Very similar to a ferromagnetic center tapped secondary on a transformer, each leg makes opposite voltage rises simultaneously, and when both legs are used we get twice the voltage that either side has individually. Similarly if instead of measuring the voltage rise on each side individually, by measuring from the center to an end, we could instead measure the voltage rise from center to center,(on both sides) and then we find the same thing found as an analogy on a center tapped ferromagnetic secondary of a transformer, that is a voltage doubling principle, where twice the voltage is registered across the center, then exists on the side alone. Here the analogy stops however. We do not normally allow a short to exist across the secondary of a center tapped secondary of a transformer, unless that transformer is like the NST, which is current limited on its output, by virtue of the large inductance of the secondary, and the flux leakage allowed in its core design by the placement of core shunts, that divert a portion of flux across the center of the core. But the orninary transformer would start consuming maximum current on its primary if we were to allow a short on its secondary. So what happens we we allow a short to exist between two bipolar series resonances? Of course there would no longer be any voltage rise, as we have shorted it out. But if we measure the current across that short, we find it to actually be very small, in fact that short has procurred a condition, where the measured current across the short is identical to the original reactance we started out with. In this situation then we are current limiting that midpoint path by the reactance of the outside components. This is actually then a figure 8 tank circuit. I do not know if you can access the schematic of
RE: CSozone machine/ HDN explains bipolar resonant circuit
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59315.html RE: CSozone machine/ HDN explains bipolar resonant circuit From: Harvey Norris Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:29:46 PS check your prices for 9 miles of 23 gauge wire, as that is what these coils employ. There is no need to pay catalog price. There are plenty of surplus electronics places that keep 50 lb rolls of wire in the back storeroom, because nobody wants them. A little negotiation, and they sometimes take what they can get to get rid of it. It might not be the same gauge, but this doesn't matter. Besides, there is no need for a 60 Henry choke and miles of wire. A 1 Henry would do exactly the same thing. The key is the Q of the circuit. It would be easy to increase the Q by using a ferrite or good quality iron core. Resonant transformers are often used in power regulation applications. This would add the cost of the core, and reduce the amount of wire needed. But the fact remains. The circuit presents a constant impedance between the variac and the silver cell. A simple 5 cent resistor would do exactly the same thing. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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--- Ivan Anderson i...@win.co.nz wrote: It is my understanding that the normal cold corona ozone generating machines will only produce nitrous oxide when fed with moist air. Ozone produced for medical purposes (including dental caries treatment) should be fed with dry air, either by passing the air through moisture absorbing crystals or by heating it. Ivan I have now modified the Ellis Ozone process so that it has a gravity feed of distilled water. Ellis process does not use an arc to create ozone, instead it uses a ozone quartz bulb in the distillation process where the steam is ozonatated upon condensation. The advantages of using this water for CS production is that is distilled twice before going through the CS process. The improvement of Wallmart distilled water after second distillation is that it registers about 12 % less conductive than the original DW. I dont see any problem with using ozonated distilled as a source of CS production, in fact it should be a better product. For those that cannot fathom what they call my rambling, about my CS process, which is current limited by tank resonance, let me add the following fact: as the CS solution becomes more conductive less current is drawn from the source. In fact more DC current is across the cells, then the AC current that goes in. I have only substituted a rectification process for DC in the middle of a process that normally is only AC, and that is a tank resonance, which has the property of resonant rise of amperage: meaning more amperage exists inside the circuit then is actually inputed. Tonight I staterted a single cell with this water. It initially is DC current limited to 1.08 ma across the cell and reads 1.04 ma @ 18 volts on startup. Tommorow about 12 hours later it will read only 2 to 3 volts across the cell, at a value close to 1.08 ma. The voltage in such a system constantly lowers itself so that whatever the initial setting of current limiting is chosen by variac, it can never exceed that value, because it is cuurent limited by the impedance of the outside components on either side of the cell. A schematic of the binary resonance circuit that delivers both voltage rise and current rise: depending on the resistance of the midpoint load is at; Binary Resonant Tank Schematic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/BRS/BRT.jpg The GREAT expenses here are that large induction coils, employing some 40,000 ohms impedance are on either side of the CS cell, but with capacities having identical impedances in series, this serves to regulate the voltage in such a way as to continually lower it to the lowest possible value that the C.L. setting will provide. Sincerely HDN = Tesla Research Group; Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Ref: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59183.html RE: CSozone machines,, From: Harvey Norris Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 23:32:50 Harvey, I briefly looked at your resonant tank. Whenever I am working on a new circuit concept, I find it useful to simulate it in SPICE first. This gives all the voltages and currents in the circuit, the frequency response, the transient response, the sensitivity to component tolerances, and it allows me to quickly make changes to improve the operation that would take much longer to do in hardware. Since it is a mathematical model, there is no danger of destroying valuable hardware if an error is made. Most good engineering groups will not commit a new design to production until it has been extensively analyzed in SPICE. Many versions of SPICE are available. MicroCap from Spectrum-Soft has a student version that is limited to 50 nodes, which is more than enough for most work. You can download it here: http://www.spectrum-soft.com/ When you can get your concept to work in SPICE, you can be reasonably sure it will work in actual hardware. If it won't work in SPICE, you can be certain it won't work in actual hardware. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSozone machines,,
Silver I oxide [Ag2O] is the normal oxide of silver. Silver II oxide [ AgO] is formed when ozone reacts with silver. Silver III oxide [Ag2O3] has been obtained in an impure state by anodic oxidation of silver. Page 2006 Van Nostrands Scientific Encyclopedia 5th edition So, what happens if the water you are using has a lot of dissolved ozone gas in it? Ode At 11:31 PM 5/19/2003 -0700, you wrote: --- Ivan Anderson i...@win.co.nz wrote: It is my understanding that the normal cold corona ozone generating machines will only produce nitrous oxide when fed with moist air. Ozone produced for medical purposes (including dental caries treatment) should be fed with dry air, either by passing the air through moisture absorbing crystals or by heating it. Ivan I have now modified the Ellis Ozone process so that it has a gravity feed of distilled water. Ellis process does not use an arc to create ozone, instead it uses a ozone quartz bulb in the distillation process where the steam is ozonatated upon condensation. The advantages of using this water for CS production is that is distilled twice before going through the CS process. The improvement of Wallmart distilled water after second distillation is that it registers about 12 % less conductive than the original DW. I dont see any problem with using ozonated distilled as a source of CS production, in fact it should be a better product. For those that cannot fathom what they call my rambling, about my CS process, which is current limited by tank resonance, let me add the following fact: as the CS solution becomes more conductive less current is drawn from the source. In fact more DC current is across the cells, then the AC current that goes in. I have only substituted a rectification process for DC in the middle of a process that normally is only AC, and that is a tank resonance, which has the property of resonant rise of amperage: meaning more amperage exists inside the circuit then is actually inputed. Tonight I staterted a single cell with this water. It initially is DC current limited to 1.08 ma across the cell and reads 1.04 ma @ 18 volts on startup. Tommorow about 12 hours later it will read only 2 to 3 volts across the cell, at a value close to 1.08 ma. The voltage in such a system constantly lowers itself so that whatever the initial setting of current limiting is chosen by variac, it can never exceed that value, because it is cuurent limited by the impedance of the outside components on either side of the cell. A schematic of the binary resonance circuit that delivers both voltage rise and current rise: depending on the resistance of the midpoint load is at; Binary Resonant Tank Schematic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/files/BRS/BRT.jpg The GREAT expenses here are that large induction coils, employing some 40,000 ohms impedance are on either side of the CS cell, but with capacities having identical impedances in series, this serves to regulate the voltage in such a way as to continually lower it to the lowest possible value that the C.L. setting will provide. Sincerely HDN = Tesla Research Group; Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSozone machines,,
Ref : http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59183.html RE: CSozone machines,, From: Harvey Norris (view other messages by this author) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 23:32:50 The GREAT expenses here are that large induction coils, employing some 40,000 ohms impedance are on either side of the CS cell, but with capacities having identical impedances in series, this serves to regulate the voltage in such a way as to continually lower it to the lowest possible value that the C.L. setting will provide. Harvey, I know a bit about resonance, and would like to model your circuit. Can you supply the following information: 1. What is the inductance of L1 and L2. 2. What is the coil diameter. 3. What is the coil thickness. 4. How many turns of wire are needed. 5. What gauge of wire is used. 6. What is the dc resistance of the coil. 7. What is the value of C1 and C2. 8. What is the circuit Q. 9. What is the input current from the variac. 10. What is the circulating current at resonance. 11. What is the voltage across the tank at resonance. 12. What is the impedance of the colloidal silver cell. 13. How much does the circuit Q change as the ions enter solution. 14. How are you introducing current from the variac. 15. How are you extracting current from the tank. Let me state my concerns. You state the reactance of the coil is 40,000 ohms. From the formula for reactance, XL = 2 * pi * F * L Therefore L = XL / 2 * pi * F = 4 / (2 * pi * 60) = 106.1033 Henries An 106 Henry air wound coil would be enormous. It would fill a room. The coil would have very high losses. Without going through the calculations, I estimate the Q would be less than 1. There would be no resonance effect. Your circuit is impossible to create. Given a single resonant tank, you would have to introduce the current from the variac in series with the circuit. If you connected the variac in parallel, it would short out the tank and prevent any resonance. Since the variac is in series with the tank, the only way you could obtain a resonance effect would be to take the voltage across the tank, or in parallel with L1 and C1. However, your description is the cell is also in series with the tank. Since you must introduce the current from the variac in series with the tank, then both tanks must have equal currents that are in phase. It is impossible to get opposing currents from two tanks as you claim. If you could somehow get opposing currents, basic network theory shows the vector sum is zero. There would be no current through the cell. Your grasp of circuit theory is very limited, and your terminology is not accurate. For example, there is no term called amperage. Your circuit is a complete fabrication. It does not exist, and it cannot be built. You have been lying to the members of this group. You are a troll. Your stories might be entertaining to the other members of your Tesla group, but they have no place here. I seriously doubt you even have enough knowledge of electronics to fake the data I requested above. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSozone machines,,
RE: CSozone machines Chuck, Anyone who studies engineering starts with the International System of Units, or SI-Units. There are seven SI base units and 22 derived units, with very strict rules of usage: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/ The term amperage is not an engineering term. It is sometimes found in fuse and circuit breaker charts written by stock clerks. It is often found in technobabble, such as the posts submitted by Harvey. In order for his stories on making cs to be credible, others have to be able to duplicate his results. I have requested that he supply me with engineering data on his setup, as shown in the following list: 1. What is the inductance of L1 and L2. 2. What is the coil diameter. 3. What is the coil thickness. 4. How many turns of wire are needed. 5. What gauge of wire is used. 6. What is the dc resistance of the coil. 7. What is the value of C1 and C2. 8. What is the circuit Q. 9. What is the input current from the variac. 10. What is the circulating current at resonance. 11. What is the voltage across the tank at resonance. 12. What is the impedance of the colloidal silver cell. 13. How much does the circuit Q change as the ions enter solution. 14. How are you introducing current from the variac. 15. How are you extracting current from the tank. However, I have already shown his circuit to be impossible to construct: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59221.html And I invite anyone to try and duplicate his results. If it is not possible to do so, then his stories must be considered fabrications. A bit of wire and some capacitors is all that is needed. Or a successful plot in SPICE. It will never happen. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSozone machines,,
It is my understanding that the normal cold corona ozone generating machines will only produce nitrous oxide when fed with moist air. Ozone produced for medical purposes (including dental caries treatment) should be fed with dry air, either by passing the air through moisture absorbing crystals or by heating it. Ivan -Original Message- From: akaJhon [mailto:maj.yo...@ellijay.com] Sent: Thursday, 15 May 2003 11:06 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSozone machines,, I use to belong on a 'ozone' list a year or two ago,, bottom line is that only a O2 fed machine will produce 'pure' ozone.. An 'air' fed will produce a mixture of strange gases,ie nitric oxide because air is not pure O2. It will kill mold etc.,,and will allso kill electronics etc because O2 is very corrosive..I have used my machine with that in mind,,I would not breathe it w/o a pure O2 source..but I have killed mold etc,,and aired the room out afterwards. All this was info from the top Oxone Guru...not me.. IMHO,,YMMV -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSozone machines,,
I use to belong on a 'ozone' list a year or two ago,, bottom line is that only a O2 fed machine will produce 'pure' ozone.. An 'air' fed will produce a mixture of strange gases,ie nitric oxide because air is not pure O2. It will kill mold etc.,,and will allso kill electronics etc because O2 is very corrosive..I have used my machine with that in mind,,I would not breathe it w/o a pure O2 source..but I have killed mold etc,,and aired the room out afterwards. All this was info from the top Oxone Guru...not me.. IMHO,,YMMV
Re: CSozone machines,,
Hi AkaJhon; There are a couple of models of air-fed ozone generators that do not produce nitric oxide, http://sotainstruments.com for one - it depends on the technology they use ...but anyway you should see all the positive data on nitric oxide. It's produced by the body for about 30 health benefits. I'm still looking into the difference between NO you might swallow and NO that is created by your own cells, to determine if there's much of a difference. On the subject of lung irritation from nitric oxide in the air, here's detail that I happened to send out today to a former respiratory specialist, especially with regard to sensitive individuals... this is of interest to all, as we'll see more of medical ozone therapy and air purification in the future, and this exact topic often arises. Duncan Crow (ozone therapist) THE QUERY Ozone in itself can be quite dangerous. It destroys lung tissue and causes all sorts of inflammation reactions in the body. I would never recommend using an ozone generator. Many PWCs are made sicker by ozone. THE REPLY Contrary to what you might have read, ozone, even the high concentrations from a medical ozone generator, is not dangerous if handled correctly and it does not cause 'all sorts of inflammation reactions' either. I should point out two things about ozone that you might not have come across in your training as a respiratory therapist: 1) Ozone especially irritates lungs that have substances in them that can be broken down to form irritants. That applies to most but not to all of us, and that may be why many CWFs do not react unfavourably to the low amount of ozone a room air ozonator generates, which is strictly controlled by federal regulation. Healthy lung tissue has high levels of the antioxidant glutathione to handle the oxidative threat of low levels of ozone. 2) Many manufacturers of ozone equipment do not tell you this but their ozone generators may put out levels also of nitric oxide, which forms nitric acid in contact with the fluid in the lungs. This is more of an irritant to healthy lung tissue than the ozone. I would recommend an ozone machine that produces no nitric acid to some people especially those who appear to be sensitive. Since you're here in an alternative health discussion group I probably don't need to point this out to you but the FDA uses a scare tactic on their web site by saying ozone is a toxic form of oxygen. The details of the data were that in one study of mice, the mice quickly recovered from the initial pulmonary edema that occurred during the one study referred to, and became tolerant of the ozone levels given although those levels were high. Ozone has never been shown to be toxic; we're running into one of the commerce protection mechanisms initiated by Big Pharma and enforced by their lapdogs in the FDA. In fact, in countries where ozone therapy is legal it is one of the leading therapies, and also in fact, myalgia is one of the 254 diseases treatable by ozone therapy. Teewinot, as a specialist you should know that although oxidative threats are well handled in healthy lung tissue, CWFs and other diseased clients are usually in a state of chronic oxidative stress. They are measurably low on the body's main antioxidant protection in the lungs and elsewhere and because of this antioxidant deficiency they have reduced ability to withstand oxidative assault. The antioxidant glutathione is particularly crucial to health, and in fact, low glutathione aggavates the disease process. As Dr. Cheney has bee showing, one of the main therapies for disease including CFS/FM is increased antioxidant intake including and especially glutathione precursors, which are found in cold-processed whey isolate and selenium (another main therapy being HGH increase). This applies to CFS and to respiratory problems, and if you're not including that in your advice to people, your information to them is not as complete as it could be. As a former respiratory specialist you might be especially interested in knowing that COPD and asthma also respond well to antioxidant therapy. You will find details on http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/medline_links.html I use to belong on a 'ozone' list a year or two ago,, bottom line is that only a O2 fed machine will produce 'pure' ozone.. An 'air' fed will produce a mixture of strange gases,ie nitric oxide because air is not pure O2. It will kill mold etc.,,and will allso kill electronics etc because O2 is very corrosive..I have used my machine with that in mind,,I would not breathe it w/o a pure O2 source..but I have killed mold etc,,and aired the room out afterwards. All this was info from the top Oxone Guru...not me.. IMHO,,YMMV -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address
CSOzone and Cavities
I happen to have a portable ozone machine. So, I just have to run it with the tube in my mouth every once in a while and say goodbye to cavities? Is there some home brewed solution that will remineralize the teeth? You wrote: From: Ivan Anderson Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 03:08:37 To be well informed, look at the new treatment protocol using Ozone gas. This technique allows for the natural recalcification of dental lesions, and requires no dental removal or other intervention. The only negative aspect to the treatment is the obscene profits dentists enjoy, the per tooth treatment only requiring up to 20 seconds of ozone exposure. http://www.the-o-zone.cc/index.html I have tried it myself, and am going to fashion some sort of mouth guard arrangement so that one may treat the whole mouth with a single Ozone burst. I have abstracts where ozone is shown not to damage fillings already present. Ivan.
Re: CSOzone and Cavities
on 2/20/03 7:37 AM, Dan Nave at dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com wrote: I happen to have a portable ozone machine. So, I just have to run it with the tube in my mouth every once in a while and say goodbye to cavities? Is there some home brewed solution that will remineralize the teeth? I have a question we purchased a honeywell air purifier for my mother-in-law who has double pneumonia, the byproduct is ozone, my carpenter said that it was dangerous to leave on when she is in the room for the ozone will eventually kill her, is this true??? You wrote: From: Ivan Anderson Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 03:08:37 To be well informed, look at the new treatment protocol using Ozone gas. This technique allows for the natural recalcification of dental lesions, and requires no dental removal or other intervention. The only negative aspect to the treatment is the obscene profits dentists enjoy, the per tooth treatment only requiring up to 20 seconds of ozone exposure. http://www.the-o-zone.cc/index.html I have tried it myself, and am going to fashion some sort of mouth guard arrangement so that one may treat the whole mouth with a single Ozone burst. I have abstracts where ozone is shown not to damage fillings already present. Ivan.
Re: CSOzone and Cavities
Yes Dan and Mary Lou, DO NOT inhale ozoneplease read the archives. On this it was discussed a short while back! Kit I have a question we purchased a honeywell air purifier for my mother-in-law who has double pneumonia, the byproduct is ozone, my carpenter said that it was dangerous to leave on when she is in the room for the ozone will eventually kill her, is this true??? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone and Cavities
try this site for a lot of info on ozone. .http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oxyplus/messagesearch?query=breathing%20ozone - Original Message - From: Kit kitcur...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:50 AM Subject: Re: CSOzone and Cavities Yes Dan and Mary Lou, DO NOT inhale ozoneplease read the archives. On this it was discussed a short while back! Kit I have a question we purchased a honeywell air purifier for my mother-in-law who has double pneumonia, the byproduct is ozone, my carpenter said that it was dangerous to leave on when she is in the room for the ozone will eventually kill her, is this true??? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe[2]: CSOzone and Cavities
Hello Mary, Thursday, February 20, 2003, 11:01:48 AM, you wrote: MLB I have a question we purchased a honeywell air purifier for my mother-in-law MLB who has double pneumonia, the byproduct is ozone, my carpenter said that it MLB was dangerous to leave on when she is in the room for the ozone will MLB eventually kill her, is this true??? Check the specifications, and I am sure you will find that the Honeywell's ozone output is WELL WITHIN the OSHA recommendations for ozone exposure. It is not an 'ozone generator', but rather an air filter/purifier that has ozone production as a byproduct. This is a far cry from a device designed to produce ozone. Ask yourself this... Do you HONESTLY think, in this modern day society FILLED with weasel lawyers (no offense intended to weasels), that a multi-billion dollar corporation such as Honeywell would sell a product that could easily kill people, without warnings placed all over the unit?? I feel quite confident that a common hand drill (A/C, brush type) produces more ozone in a couple of minutes than the Honeywell could in 24 hours. Ask your carpenter if he has changed over to battery type drills, for fear of killing too many people with his trusty old A/C powered Milwaukee. Then tell him to quit terrifying people with his urban legends. (Cripes, watch this turn INTO an urban legend. A/C powered hand drills will kill you from the ozone they produce bound to be the next internet propegated urban legend) -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe[2]: CSOzone and Cavities
Dear Solar, This is true especially with a Honeywell...which probably means it's a home unit. However, there are units made for a specified square footage. I actually had to take the UV bulb out of mine, so as to not produce dangerous levels in a much reduced area than that for which the unit was intended...I just use it as a heavy duty air filter. The Honeywell unit in question probably is not a heavy generator. Kit At 02:26 PM 2/20/03 -0500, you wrote: Hello Mary, Thursday, February 20, 2003, 11:01:48 AM, you wrote: MLB I have a question we purchased a honeywell air purifier for my mother-in-law MLB who has double pneumonia, the byproduct is ozone, my carpenter said that it MLB was dangerous to leave on when she is in the room for the ozone will MLB eventually kill her, is this true??? Check the specifications, and I am sure you will find that the Honeywell's ozone output is WELL WITHIN the OSHA recommendations for ozone exposure. It is not an 'ozone generator', but rather an air filter/purifier that has ozone production as a byproduct. This is a far cry from a device designed to produce ozone. Ask yourself this... Do you HONESTLY think, in this modern day society FILLED with weasel lawyers (no offense intended to weasels), that a multi-billion dollar corporation such as Honeywell would sell a product that could easily kill people, without warnings placed all over the unit?? I feel quite confident that a common hand drill (A/C, brush type) produces more ozone in a couple of minutes than the Honeywell could in 24 hours. Ask your carpenter if he has changed over to battery type drills, for fear of killing too many people with his trusty old A/C powered Milwaukee. Then tell him to quit terrifying people with his urban legends. (Cripes, watch this turn INTO an urban legend. A/C powered hand drills will kill you from the ozone they produce bound to be the next internet propegated urban legend) -- Best regards, Solar -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone in water
Hi; In California at least it is stated on the label of many DW jugs that 'distilled' the word can only be used to describe steam distilled water, so the distilled water in that jug is indeed steam distilled. OTOH, advertising 'quackery' has become so prevalent that I don';t trust anything anymore, and wonder what percentage of the so-called 'distilled drinking water' may be distilled and what may be 'drinking', about which I expect there are no regulations whatever. YMMV. Malcolm Ode Coyote wrote: Ozone is used commercially to 'disinfect' distilled water. The distillation process 'purifys' the water...and should disinfect it as well, but apparently further safe gaurds are required as all commercial distilled water I've seen is also ozonated. Water can be vacuum distilled or condensed from any vapor source. In effect, your air conditioner makes distilled water when it de-humidifies the air. Rain water could qualify as distilled. I would like to believe that all commercial distilled water is steam distilled but I'm not certain of it. Ken At 03:26 AM 3/31/02 -0800, you wrote: Have question: anyone know if ozone can purify water? Thank you. God save Queen Elizabeth, Queen Mum. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone in water
Ozone is used commercially to 'disinfect' distilled water. The distillation process 'purifys' the water...and should disinfect it as well, but apparently further safe gaurds are required as all commercial distilled water I've seen is also ozonated. Water can be vacuum distilled or condensed from any vapor source. In effect, your air conditioner makes distilled water when it de-humidifies the air. Rain water could qualify as distilled. I would like to believe that all commercial distilled water is steam distilled but I'm not certain of it. Ken At 03:26 AM 3/31/02 -0800, you wrote: Have question: anyone know if ozone can purify water? Thank you. God save Queen Elizabeth, Queen Mum. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOzone in water
Have question: anyone know if ozone can purify water? Thank you. God save Queen Elizabeth, Queen Mum.
Re: CSOzone in water
Yes, it is quite good. It will kill most pathogens, bacteria, germs and so forth, and will oxidize organic matter, removing organic toxins as well. That is why they typically ozonate bottled water, and some water systems use ozone for tap water, and some swimming pools use ozonators to purify the swimming pool water and keep it healthy and clear. Marshall Nicola Kay wrote: Have question: anyone know if ozone can purify water? Thank you. God save Queen Elizabeth, Queen Mum.
Re: CSOzone in water (Digest #217)
Nicola writes: ...anyone know if ozone can purify water? One of our local water districts is using it: ...Helix's ozonated water is as good as bottled water and costs much less. Instead of paying $1.07 for a gallon of bottled water, a Helix customer could get 637 gallons of water for the same price... http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sandiego/index.html jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone-Autouropathy.
TJ Garland wrote: I recommend ozone generators here in E. Tn. for all the moldy basements. We just had 5 rain. I can breathe at night because I run my Alpine unit 30 min a day in the house. My fish bubbler sucks ozone into my CS . BTW, does anyone have any good, practical experience with aotouropathy Are you sure that is spelled right? I can't find the word anywhere on the net. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone-Autouropathy.
Marshall-- A typo-- autouropathy. From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOzone-Autouropathy. Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:34:50 -0500 TJ Garland wrote: I recommend ozone generators here in E. Tn. for all the moldy basements. We just had 5 rain. I can breathe at night because I run my Alpine unit 30 min a day in the house. My fish bubbler sucks ozone into my CS . BTW, does anyone have any good, practical experience with aotouropathy Are you sure that is spelled right? I can't find the word anywhere on the net. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Re: CSOzone-Autouropathy.
I recommend ozone generators here in E. Tn. for all the moldy basements. We just had 5 rain. I can breathe at night because I run my Alpine unit 30 min a day in the house. My fish bubbler sucks ozone into my CS . BTW, does anyone have any good, practical experience with aotouropathy with their clients or friends. I have devoured all the stories and books on the subject that I can find. It seems to work on many cancers. I wonder what does that poop-for- brains Barret says about urine therapy? _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone-Autouropathy.
I run my Apline unit on a setting of 3, 24 hours a day during the winter months. Blessings Ted TJ Garland wrote: I recommend ozone generators here in E. Tn. for all the moldy basements. We just had 5 rain. I can breathe at night because I run my Alpine unit 30 min a day in the house. My fish bubbler sucks ozone into my CS . BTW, does anyone have any good, practical experience with aotouropathy with their clients or friends. I have devoured all the stories and books on the subject that I can find. It seems to work on many cancers. I wonder what does that poop-for- brains Barret says about urine therapy? _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOzone versus EDTA
Bob, I was just rereading one of your older posts in which you spoke of your bi-annual use of IV chelation for cleaning out plaque buildup in your arteries and veins. If you subscribe to the ozonetherapy list --- moderated by Dr Saul Pressman --- you can ask Saul for a copy of his book, The Story of Ozone. The book is only available from him and he gives it away free of charge to subscribers to his list. He has written other books as well. My point is this --- Saul's methods of ozone therapy remove plaque safely, a molecule at a time, as well as the probable underlying cause, fungus on the arterial wall. Once cleaned out, you maintain your clean veins and arteries by using your ozone sauna twice per week for a half hour each of two days per week. You don't need to buy any more antioxidants and probably will never need any more antibiotics. The investment is currently US$6600.00 for all of Saul's equipment, including an oxygen concentrator that feeds oxygen to the ozone generator as well as a bunch of accessories for bagging and funneling ozone. This price includes shipping. Saul's equipment is only available from Saul. Saul has been successfully treating people with all sorts of illnesses using his protocols and equipment --- for eight years. He currently has more than a thousand satisfied customers of his equipment, all over the world. He now offers a manual with specific protocols for specific conditions --- ozone concentrations and flow rates, etc. --- so there is no guesswork for the do-it-yourselfer and Saul is always available by email for consultation. He says that the result of his methods is the oxidizing of pathogens and the oxygenation of the cells. PH goes up as a result of this. The threat of cancer is eliminated for anyone on this ozone routine, as well as plaque in the arteries, etc. etc. There is no danger of oxygen free radicals using his methods. His books explain it all. Start by asking for his book, The Story of Ozone. I have tried IV chelation. Ozone seems to me to be more versatile and more economical in the long run --- useful for a very wide variety of illnesses and illness prevention --- and can be done in the convenience of your home by all members of your family. There is just the initial investment, basically, if you use an oxygen concentrator as your oxygen source. Ozone has been used medically for more than 100 years, mostly autohemotherapy. It is big in Germany, Cuba, and Brazil and elsewhere. I know of a cancer clinic in Australia that now uses the ozone sauna for curing cancer patients. But Saul's idea of an ozone sauna cabinet and his other ideas and equipment for the do-it-yourselfer is especially useful. He has worked out all the details of flow rates and concentrations. For the sauna cabinet you need a very powerful ozone generator producing medical grade ozone. His equipment comes with all necessary regulators, controls, accessories, and instructions. His patented cold plasma ozone generator is guaranteed for life --- it is a modified Tesla design. There are Tesla cold plasma ozone generators still in use today --- seventy years old. Saul's modification may be nothing more than the mixture of noble gases that he uses to obtain a frequency within the range considered ideal for treating humans. Ozone is electrically highly active. It is this electrical effect on the body that provides the beneficial forces, apparently. His system produces medical grade ozone useable for everything except intravenous ozone treatments, if you use an oxygen concentrator. For IV ozone uses you need to use an oxygen tank as your source of oxygen for his ozone generator. But transdermal ozone in his sauna cabinet, using his ozone generator, has proven to be MORE effective than IV ozone. Many physicians prefer IV ozone therapy, nevertheless, because you have to go to the doctor to get the treatment. Saul contends that airborne pathogens primarily enter the body through the ears. He recommends funneling ozone into the ear for five minutes in each ear as a preventative and fifteen minutes if you feel a cold or something coming on. Ear funneling of ozone, he says, is the most effective way to get rid of a Candida infection in the middle ear, a favorite hiding place for Candida. Four days, usually, fifteen minutes in each ear, twice per day. Saul has succeeded in getting his ozone protocols and equipment approved officially in British Columbia by the Assoc of Naturopathic Physicians. More than forty doctors are using it regularly in their practices in British Columbia. Other Canadian provinces seem to be in the process of getting on board. He says about eight states in the USA allow ozone therapies to be used officially. In the meantime do-it-yourselfers are free to do what they want to themselves. And doing it at home is more economical. A good way to stay out of the doctor's office and avoid antibiotics. To subscribe to the ozone list or talk to Dr Saul Pressman ---
CSozone generator
Looking for any information on building or buying a ozone generator. Thanks, Dan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSozone generator; att'n Dan
Hi from Joe: Plans are in the Dr. Beck manual at S.O.T.A. Instruments, Vancouver B.C.; US$12; do a web search. If you have a junk TV you could use the aquadag supply [about 15 KVdc for picture tube], put it on a grid blow air slowly past it [which ionizes to O3]. Not a very efficient use of time. Bye. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOzone, Superoxide and Aerobic Respiration.
Dear Argentums Some time ago, someone posted to the effect that respired oxygen is always or largely in the form of superoxide, implying that ozone sourced free-radicals are therefore perfectly natural and safe. Being too busy to respond to this, which I did not believe to be the case, I came across the following recently which reminded me of this question and I share the following with you, to clarify this point, which I am confident is quite accurate and also to add to the continued understanding of the tolerance of H2O2 in the body: Wells W, Getting rid of radicals, Chemistry Biology, 6: 12, 1999. (ISSN: 1074-5521, Elsevier Science, Lond) A 'low' level of superoxide is constantly generated by aerobic respiration. The electron-transport chain of mitochondria, which is meant to escort four electrons to molecular oxygen to form water, 'occasionally' leaks a single electron. ''It's like a wire with insufficient insulation,'' says Irwin Fridovich of Duke University, Durham, North Carolina. In 1969 Fridovich and Joe McCord (University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, Denver) discovered the body's primary mode of defense against this leakage: superoxide dismutase (SOD). SOD converts superoxide to hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) and molecular oxygen. It is remarkable for its use of electrostatic guidance of substrates to exceed diffusion-limited catalytic rates. The paper goes on to lament the instability of exogenous (dietary supplement or IV) SOD and its poor penetration into cells, which is why I try to ensure its endogenous induction via traces of colloidal copper, zinc and manganese, and catalase via copper (both as per the electrodes which Marshall has distributed). The paper continues: Metals are good at doing redox chemistry, but indiscriminate redox chemistry by free metals is very toxic to the cell. Manganese is far less toxic than copper and zinc in native SOD. Soon after its discovery as a byproduct of oxidative metabolism, superoxide began turning up in many biological systems: as a product of NADPH oxidase in phagocytes, which use a burst of superoxide to help kill bacteria; in signaling cascades involving NFKB in immune cells and ras in cancer cells. Catalase activity is the ability to break down hydrogen peroxide and in some instances is more important (than SOD). The only time hydrogen peroxide is a real problem is when you have superoxide around, because the superoxide reduces Fe(III) to Fe(II), releasing the iron from storage sites so that it can react with hydrogen peroxide and produce hydroxyl radicals. Regards Stuart -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOzone
Hello, There has been information exchanged related to H2O2 and ozone creation on this list. That is the reason for this question: Does anyone know how to effectively increase the oxygen level in a person's blood? My wife has serious scarring of both lungs due to pulmonary Sarcoidosis. Recently, her oxygen absorption rate has dropped to around 82% after walking a short distance (down the hall), and she is constantly tired. In hopes her recent drop is being caused by infection in her lungs, I have just started giving her around 6 ounces per day of CS made using the information provided by Dr, Jon to make CS. No apparent effect yet. Dr. Jon also intimated that a few drops of food grade hydrogen peroxide (35%) in water might help. In addition, he suggested an ozone generator (using a plan shown on his web site) might help. Haven't tried that yet, but am getting ready to if her condition doesn't soon improve. Does ANYONE have any thoughts or suggestions on how to help MT wife? It is tearing me up to see her unable to breath without the constant use of an oxygen generation machine. Thank you, Steve Radcliff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSozone links
here are some that I have on file: How to Contact Ozone Services Ozone generators and products for therapeutic applications Oxytherapy.com - Oxygen Ozone Therapies - Main Menu Gerard V. Sunnen, M.D. EFT,Emotional Freedom Techniques,TFT,therapy,trauma,phobia,headache,asthma,Gary Craig,pain,healing,psychology
Re: CSozone links
My apologies- there is something wrong with these links- they don't link - Original Message - From: Gage Tarrant To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 10:54 PM Subject: CSozone links here are some that I have on file: How to Contact Ozone Services Ozone generators and products for therapeutic applications Oxytherapy.com - Oxygen Ozone Therapies - Main Menu Gerard V. Sunnen, M.D. EFT,Emotional Freedom Techniques,TFT,therapy,trauma,phobia,headache,asthma,Gary Craig,pain,healing,psychology
Re: CSOzone/precise biological effects
Dear Duncan In your zeal to defend ozone (which I will do too, but not as blindly), you seem to have missed the point I was trying to make, namely that: This detoxification of ozone is endogenous anti-oxidative enzyme dependent. It is folly to expect ill individuals to manage this feat, since it is the failure to adequately produce these enzymes, rather than insufficient oxygen (which is secondary), which enzyme insufficiency leads to immunodefficiency in the first place. Bugspray will kill bugs, but can also harm non-target organisms. We must try to think a little further than mere first effects. Please read the paper: Papadopulos-Eleopulos E, Med Hypothesis, 25: 151, 1988, available as a pdf file on my website at: http://www.gaiaresearch.co.za/natstrat.html The introduction to my article, prior to the pdf file launch (there are six worth reading) is, I believe, a good introduction to the causes of AIDS, including oxidative stress, hence my cautioning against introducing ozone into a system which has failed to safely and hence effectively employ its components, and will fail to detoxify the ozone. This is not to say that ozone cannot be safely employed, but doing so is challenging, if not unnecessary, as the rest of my article sets out to explain. Regards Stuart
Re: CSOzone/precise biological effects
Duncan, Can you give links to research abstracts for ozone therapy that you referred to? Thanks Frank in South Texas -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSOzone
What science is that Frank? Ozone dissolves in water 12 times more readily than oxygen, to a limit of about 50mg/L. The concentration follow Henry's Law. Concentration increases with decrease in temp and increase in pressure. Ozone will exist for approx 10 mins in room temp water before degrading, longer in cold water. O3 may degrade via this method which does not include H2O2: O3 + H2O - HO3 + OH- OZONE + WATER - HYDROGEN TRIOXIDE + HYDROXIDE HO3+ + OH - 2HO2 HYDROGEN TRIOXIDE + HYDROXIDE - HYDROGEN DIOXIDE O3 + HO2 - HO + 202 OZONE + HYDROGEN - HYDROXIDE + OXYGEN HO + H02 - H2O + O2 HYDROXIDE + HYDROGEN DIOXIDE - WATER + OXYGEN http://www.supercable.es/~lmarques/descomposicion.htm Ivan. -Original Message- From: Frank Key [mailto:fr...@strsoft.com] Sent: Saturday, 5 May 2001 03:53 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOzone Arthur wrote: I beg to differ with you, Frank. There is a big difference in O3 and H202. I can't give the scientific explanation, but I know from personal experience. Have it your way. Sorry for introducing the science chemistry here. I'll try not to make that mistake again. We don't need to start another does silver really dissolve in water type of issue. frank key -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSOzone
Generating ozone with moist air also creates nitric oxide, but this does not happen with dry air. I take my air feed from the hot water cupboard (linen cupboard) when not using pure oxygen. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Arthur Rambo [mailto:alltogether...@webtv.net] Sent: Saturday, 5 May 2001 14:38 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOzone I have one sold by http://educate-yourself.org It comes mounted on a plastic board, and put inside a tackle box for carrying. That's the reason for that description. It uses air to produce ozone. Or you can by pass the air pump and hook up Oxygen for medical use. Without oxygen, the ozone has a mix of nitric acid said to be non-therapuetic. $360 is on the low end of prices. IF someone knows of a cheaper one, please tell me. I'm planning to buy another. I referenced that other one earlier because I couldn't find the Educate-yourself.org website address, and www.keephope.net offers more relevant info. anyway. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone
Ken, the warnings are about ozone depletion, remember? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone
Be careful with that ozone. It'll eat the tires right off your car and the cord off your saw. It's the same stuff that there are atmospheric warnings about. Ken At 10:21 AM 5/4/01 -0400, you wrote: Is there anyone on the list familiar with coning? Has anyone tried delivering colloidal silver into the body through coning? I know this method is supposed to be excellent for use with ozone. In fact, the next thing on our purchase list is an ozone sauna. I would be interested in more information about ozone. From what I have heard the ozone sauna is the most effective way to get ozone into the body. The other simple method is to bubble ozone through (cold?) water and drink it? I would be interested in building something rather than purchasing some expensive piece of equipment. Any info available? Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving your life and health. - Original Message - From: A.V.R.A colloidalsilverd...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 10:01 AM Subject: Re: CSVIRUS I find it amazing the colloidal silver soothes the mucus membranes so well! Twenty minutes with the humidifier, and the relief is astounding. For those with various lung conditions, it is certainly worth looking into. I've found that one must be diligent in application, using the nebulizer/humidifer sometimes as much as every five to ten minutes for an hour. Is there anyone on the list familiar with coning? Has anyone tried delivering colloidal silver into the body through coning? I know this method is supposed to be excellent for use with ozone. In fact, the next thing on our purchase list is an ozone sauna. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone
Great, you found the web site I was looking for. Good job! Looks like H2O2 is not one of the decomposition products. And from what I found, if it were, it would immediately combine with the remaining O3 anyway. Glad we are able to finally put this to rest. Marshall Ivan Anderson wrote: What science is that Frank? Ozone dissolves in water 12 times more readily than oxygen, to a limit of about 50mg/L. The concentration follow Henry's Law. Concentration increases with decrease in temp and increase in pressure. Ozone will exist for approx 10 mins in room temp water before degrading, longer in cold water. O3 may degrade via this method which does not include H2O2: O3 + H2O - HO3 + OH- OZONE + WATER - HYDROGEN TRIOXIDE + HYDROXIDE HO3+ + OH - 2HO2 HYDROGEN TRIOXIDE + HYDROXIDE - HYDROGEN DIOXIDE O3 + HO2 - HO + 202 OZONE + HYDROGEN - HYDROXIDE + OXYGEN HO + H02 - H2O + O2 HYDROXIDE + HYDROGEN DIOXIDE - WATER + OXYGEN http://www.supercable.es/~lmarques/descomposicion.htm Ivan. -Original Message- From: Frank Key [mailto:fr...@strsoft.com] Sent: Saturday, 5 May 2001 03:53 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOzone Arthur wrote: I beg to differ with you, Frank. There is a big difference in O3 and H202. I can't give the scientific explanation, but I know from personal experience. Have it your way. Sorry for introducing the science chemistry here. I'll try not to make that mistake again. We don't need to start another does silver really dissolve in water type of issue. frank key -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone
Dear James and Edith James wrote: Very advanced and interesting stuff. I had never considered the radionics aspects of the generation. ST: Strictly speaking, the word radionics is the science of healing at a distance through the medium of an instrument using the ESP faculty (Radionic Quaterly, Oxford, UK), so its use in the above context is inaccurate, and could prove confusing. In the context of the 50/60 Hertz frequency interference posting, I would term that electropollution, and the Schumann resonance solution, Earth harmonisation, though scientists would probably prefer electromedicine. Interestingly, American spacecraft utiliseSchumann wave generators, since lack of natural electromagnetic frequencies caused immune problems (New Scientist, 2 Dec, 1995). Edith, Thanks for the ozone link. Well worth a visit, albeit purely advocate literature, rather low on references and high on downplaying potential hazards, though many of these are at least mentioned and most of the techniques too technical to undertake without further reading, though some layman enthusiasts might rush in. A closing thought: Humans actively produce H2O2, but not O3, as part of their immunological response (phagocytosis), but rather we have to rapidly break down O3 and convert it to H2O2 or face cellular damage. This detoxification of ozone is endogenous anti-oxidative enzyme dependent. It is folly to expect ill individuals to manage this feat, since it is the failure to adequately produce these enzymes, rather than insufficient oxygen (which is secondary), which enzyme insufficiency leads to immunodefficiency in the first place. Bugspray will kill bugs, but can also harm non-target organisms. We must try to think a little further than mere first effects. Regards Stuart -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSOzone
Hello Stewart, I am not schooled in the general area of radionics, and used the term to mean the induction of energy into a substance such that it, for some period of time, retains the resonance of the original energy source, good or bad. Thank you for the clarification. I agree it is better described as eletropollution. I had never heard of anyone taking into account the Schumann resonance in electro-medicine; having heard of the concept it certainly seems relevant. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: gaia research [mailto:gaia.resea...@pixie.co.za] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 12:57 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOzone Dear James and Edith James wrote: Very advanced and interesting stuff. I had never considered the radionics aspects of the generation. ST: Strictly speaking, the word radionics is the science of healing at a distance through the medium of an instrument using the ESP faculty (Radionic Quaterly, Oxford, UK), so its use in the above context is inaccurate, and could prove confusing. In the context of the 50/60 Hertz frequency interference posting, I would term that electropollution, and the Schumann resonance solution, Earth harmonisation, though scientists would probably prefer electromedicine. Interestingly, American spacecraft utiliseSchumann wave generators, since lack of natural electromagnetic frequencies caused immune problems (New Scientist, 2 Dec, 1995). Edith, Thanks for the ozone link. Well worth a visit, albeit purely advocate literature, rather low on references and high on downplaying potential hazards, though many of these are at least mentioned and most of the techniques too technical to undertake without further reading, though some layman enthusiasts might rush in. A closing thought: Humans actively produce H2O2, but not O3, as part of their immunological response (phagocytosis), but rather we have to rapidly break down O3 and convert it to H2O2 or face cellular damage. This detoxification of ozone is endogenous anti-oxidative enzyme dependent. It is folly to expect ill individuals to manage this feat, since it is the failure to adequately produce these enzymes, rather than insufficient oxygen (which is secondary), which enzyme insufficiency leads to immunodefficiency in the first place. Bugspray will kill bugs, but can also harm non-target organisms. We must try to think a little further than mere first effects. Regards Stuart -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone
In our case, we use ozone. We are an oxidizing organism. A clip from a newslist: Nationwide, air quality is getting worse, says the American Lung Assoc. This Tuesday, it releases the State of the Air 2001, which will show that 141 million Americans - 9 million more than last year - live in areas that received an F for air quality due to too much ozone. It's too bad they're spreading such disinformation. Ozone content is a handy way of measuring associated AIR POLLUTION, which is not what they're saying. Ozone is nothing more than nature's way of dealing with the pollution. At those levels it's not even harmful, and the only harm ozone can do is noticeable almost right away due to its somewhat corrosive nature. You cough. Even at that you can't really call it harmful - in fact, hospitals in Cuba, where they have a world-class health care system, have an ozone generator in every emergency ward. They use little shots of it with the oxygen to increase response to the oxygen. Don't try that at home because again, it's corrosive, but not dangerous at all at low levels. - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 8:03 AM Subject: Re: CSOzone | Be careful with that ozone. | It'll eat the tires right off your car and the cord off your saw. | It's the same stuff that there are atmospheric warnings about. | Ken | | At 10:21 AM 5/4/01 -0400, you wrote: | Is there anyone on the list familiar with coning? Has anyone tried | delivering colloidal silver into the body through coning? I know this | method is supposed to be excellent for use with ozone. In fact, the | next | thing on our purchase list is an ozone sauna. | | I would be interested in more information about ozone. From what I have | heard the ozone sauna is the most effective way to get ozone into the body. | The other simple method is to bubble ozone through (cold?) water and drink | it? I would be interested in building something rather than purchasing some | expensive piece of equipment. Any info available? | | Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner | Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com | Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving | your life and health. | - Original Message - | From: A.V.R.A colloidalsilverd...@hotmail.com | To: silver-list@eskimo.com | Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 10:01 AM | Subject: Re: CSVIRUS | | I find it amazing the colloidal silver soothes the mucus membranes so | well! | Twenty minutes with the humidifier, and the relief is astounding. For | those | with various lung conditions, it is certainly worth looking into. I've | found that one must be diligent in application, using the | nebulizer/humidifer sometimes as much as every five to ten minutes for | an | hour. | | Is there anyone on the list familiar with coning? Has anyone tried | delivering colloidal silver into the body through coning? I know this | method is supposed to be excellent for use with ozone. In fact, the | next | thing on our purchase list is an ozone sauna. | | | | | -- | The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. | | To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: | silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com | with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. | | To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com | Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html | List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com | | | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.247 / Virus Database: 120 - Release Date: 4/6/01
Re: CSOzone/precise biological effects
Hi Stuart; It is ozone's precise oxidative effect that is desireable in the cases of cancer, detoxification and pathogen treatments. The effect in the body lasts only about 10 minutes, after which only the benefits of oxygenation remain. The ozone helps cancer cells slough even better than peroxide. Pathogens (and cancerous cells) are not as resistant to its oxidizing effects as normal cells are, and it also oxidizes toxins in the lymph and fat, rendering them less toxic. Once toxins are removed the fat also melts away, an incidental benefit. The research abstracts are a very good read. There are many hundreds and I confess I've only seen a few dozen. But ozone (and peroxide I.V.) is a venerable well-documented therapy with over 40 years of continuous use as a medical treatment in Germany. ciao Duncan - Original Message - From: gaia research gaia.resea...@pixie.co.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 11:57 AM Subject: Re: CSOzone | Dear James and Edith | | James wrote: | Very advanced and interesting stuff. I had never considered the radionics | aspects of the generation. | | ST: Strictly speaking, the word radionics is the science of healing at a | distance through the medium of an instrument using the ESP faculty | (Radionic Quaterly, Oxford, UK), so its use in the above context is | inaccurate, and could prove confusing. In the context of the 50/60 Hertz | frequency interference posting, I would term that electropollution, and | the Schumann resonance solution, Earth harmonisation, though scientists | would probably prefer electromedicine. Interestingly, American spacecraft | utiliseSchumann wave generators, since lack of natural electromagnetic | frequencies caused immune problems (New Scientist, 2 Dec, 1995). | | Edith, Thanks for the ozone link. Well worth a visit, albeit purely advocate | literature, rather low on references and high on downplaying potential | hazards, though many of these are at least mentioned and most of the | techniques too technical to undertake without further reading, though some | layman enthusiasts might rush in. | | A closing thought: Humans actively produce H2O2, but not O3, as part of | their immunological response (phagocytosis), but rather we have to rapidly | break down O3 and convert it to H2O2 or face cellular damage. This | detoxification of ozone is endogenous anti-oxidative enzyme dependent. It is | folly to expect ill individuals to manage this feat, since it is the failure | to adequately produce these enzymes, rather than insufficient oxygen (which | is secondary), which enzyme insufficiency leads to immunodefficiency in the | first place. Bugspray will kill bugs, but can also harm non-target | organisms. We must try to think a little further than mere first effects. | | Regards | | Stuart | | | | -- | The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. | | To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: | silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com | with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. | | To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com | Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html | List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com | --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.247 / Virus Database: 120 - Release Date: 4/6/01
Re: CSOzone
It will indeed make rubber disappear- the maker of my ozone generator demonstrated this with latex gloves on a video. It has a very different effect on anything from an animal physiology, and nothing, repeat NOTHING has improved my health more. Have used ozone for 5 years now and feel like I have a new life. Although it wasn't the air we were designed to breathe, ozone is necessary for keeping our air clean. Ozone alerts are misleading- ozone is going after the pollutants in our air in an attempt to oxidize them so we don't have to breathe the pollution. Too bad we're depleting the ozone layer. - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 8:03 AM Subject: Re: CSOzone Be careful with that ozone. It'll eat the tires right off your car and the cord off your saw. It's the same stuff that there are atmospheric warnings about. Ken At 10:21 AM 5/4/01 -0400, you wrote: Is there anyone on the list familiar with coning? Has anyone tried delivering colloidal silver into the body through coning? I know this method is supposed to be excellent for use with ozone. In fact, the next thing on our purchase list is an ozone sauna. I would be interested in more information about ozone. From what I have heard the ozone sauna is the most effective way to get ozone into the body. The other simple method is to bubble ozone through (cold?) water and drink it? I would be interested in building something rather than purchasing some expensive piece of equipment. Any info available? Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving your life and health. - Original Message - From: A.V.R.A colloidalsilverd...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 10:01 AM Subject: Re: CSVIRUS I find it amazing the colloidal silver soothes the mucus membranes so well! Twenty minutes with the humidifier, and the relief is astounding. For those with various lung conditions, it is certainly worth looking into. I've found that one must be diligent in application, using the nebulizer/humidifer sometimes as much as every five to ten minutes for an hour. Is there anyone on the list familiar with coning? Has anyone tried delivering colloidal silver into the body through coning? I know this method is supposed to be excellent for use with ozone. In fact, the next thing on our purchase list is an ozone sauna. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone
Is there anyone on the list familiar with coning? Has anyone tried delivering colloidal silver into the body through coning? I know this method is supposed to be excellent for use with ozone. In fact, the next thing on our purchase list is an ozone sauna. I would be interested in more information about ozone. From what I have heard the ozone sauna is the most effective way to get ozone into the body. The other simple method is to bubble ozone through (cold?) water and drink it? I would be interested in building something rather than purchasing some expensive piece of equipment. Any info available? Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving your life and health. - Original Message - From: A.V.R.A colloidalsilverd...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 10:01 AM Subject: Re: CSVIRUS I find it amazing the colloidal silver soothes the mucus membranes so well! Twenty minutes with the humidifier, and the relief is astounding. For those with various lung conditions, it is certainly worth looking into. I've found that one must be diligent in application, using the nebulizer/humidifer sometimes as much as every five to ten minutes for an hour. Is there anyone on the list familiar with coning? Has anyone tried delivering colloidal silver into the body through coning? I know this method is supposed to be excellent for use with ozone. In fact, the next thing on our purchase list is an ozone sauna. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone
Jim wrote: The other simple method is to bubble ozone through (cold?) water and drink it? If you bubble ozone through water, what you produce is weak hydrogen peroxide (H2O2). frank key -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone
Not initially. Although it probably does convert to H2O2 after it sits, initially it is O3 dissolved in water. Since I make and drink it quite often, I know that it is not H2O2. The ozonated water taste quite good, refreshing in fact, but H2O2 taste awful, I virtually gag on it. There is virtually no H2O2 in freshly made ozonated water. Marshall Frank Key wrote: Jim wrote: The other simple method is to bubble ozone through (cold?) water and drink it? If you bubble ozone through water, what you produce is weak hydrogen peroxide (H2O2). frank key -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone
Marshall wrote: Not initially. Although it probably does convert to H2O2 after it sits, initially it is O3 dissolved in water. Since I make and drink it quite often, I know that it is not H2O2. The ozonated water taste quite good, refreshing in fact, but H2O2 taste awful, I virtually gag on it. There is virtually no H2O2 in freshly made ozonated water. O3 dissolved in water forms hydrogen peroxide and O2 (gas). O3 is unstable and forms O2 gas and O which combines with the H2O molecule to form H2O2. Since the concentration of H2O2 is very weak, it will not posses the the characteristic taste normally associated with a commercially prepared H2O2. Even a 3% concentration is much higher that what bubbling will produce. O2 gas dissolved in water is oxygenated water. frank key -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone
Dear Marshall: How do you make your ozone? Is this something you built or is it a commercial unit. Can you steer me? My research so far says that there are three methods to produce ozone, UV lamp, electric arc, and cold plasma. Can you tell me more? Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving your life and health. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 10:29 AM Subject: Re: CSOzone Not initially. Although it probably does convert to H2O2 after it sits, initially it is O3 dissolved in water. Since I make and drink it quite often, I know that it is not H2O2. The ozonated water taste quite good, refreshing in fact, but H2O2 taste awful, I virtually gag on it. There is virtually no H2O2 in freshly made ozonated water. Marshall Frank Key wrote: Jim wrote: The other simple method is to bubble ozone through (cold?) water and drink it? If you bubble ozone through water, what you produce is weak hydrogen peroxide (H2O2). frank key -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone
I put together an effective unit by buying one similar to the one referenced at http://www.keephope.net which is the tackle box type approx. $350 Next, disabling the air supply hose, and substituting oxygen (20lb tank @ $80-deposit/ plus $10 fill up, and $175 for a regulator. Now, fill ups are all that are needed. On the down side, you have no measurement on precise amount of ozone, but for ozonated drinking water, I find that 10 minute bubbling at max. does well. The only caution I would urge is low concentration when doing other methods like rectal or vaginal or ear insufflation. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com