Re: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome
At 10:59 PM 9/5/02 -0500, you wrote: I'm not sure I fully understand what you are saying, but the people I know who have an addiction are either unhappy with who they are or their circumstances (which they feel helpless of change) or they just like experimenting. In the former, if it worked for a little while to make them feel better about themselves or oblivious to the unhappiness or distress they experience, then it becomes a way out or an escape mechanism. ## The one thing absolutely neccessary to implement change in self is to take responsibility for the present mode of belief. My experience with the psychedelics has been that of a slap in the face. I had no choice but to face me. [But that doesn't mean that I had no choice but to do something about the me I was slapped with] This is no escape party! Nor is it a necessary thing. There are many avenues to discovery and the acceptence of personal power that one cannot not have. That is, one has the power to screw up equal to the power to repair the screw up. The truth of personal power is as believable as the falsehood of hiding from it by blaming others for your own thought processes than can include powerlessness and all the false justifications for apparently not doing what one cannot not do. [Making choices is something that cannot be avoided but does not limit one to making good choices. But blaming bad choices on someone else is an effective justification to be helpless to change as it effectively and apparently places the power of choice where it can't be accessed...a lie taken as truth, then justified.] I'm old enough to remember when recreational drugs were not so readily available and people dealt with their demons. Oh, yeah, but there was alcohol wasn't there. ## People who deal with their demons as THIER demons either get rid of them or accept them as part of themselves that they want to keep. People who deal with demons as someone elses imposed upon them, cannot deal with anything. Booze [and many other drugs] is a distraction from recognizing that fact. Booze clouds the mind in order to make not thinking the obvious possible. But another facet of some boozers is extrodinarily high intelligence where the motive is to dull the mind down to the point of fitting in with the environment of relative idiots the person is surrounded by. It works for a while, then backfires..eventually making the misfit genius into the idiot for real. Anyway, the availability and social stigma that used to be attached make it much more acceptable and an excellent excuse not to fight the good fight to stay level. ## Any excuse works just fine as long as it can be made out to look like a reason. A reason is that which 'you' can accept...If you don't accept it, it's an excuse, even though it may be the truer truth. That's the only difference between excuses and reasons. And even as I speak I see it destroying friends, neighbors and relatives. Have you ever noticed how sickly these folks are? As their general health declines from chemicals and malnutrition, the worse they feel. So, to feel better they go for the stuff. This is a broad sweeping statement, but I think that if people would take better care of their bodies they would feel better and the gray matter would perform better! ## But that would ruin the squeaky wheel game and make one actually pull a wagon, now wouldn't it? Alchohol etc represents my ability to not know what I'm doing The alchohloic wants to be picked up in such a manner that nothing moves. Would be wonderful to have a rapid cure for addicts, their lives are not good even with the drugs giving them a reprieve from life! I think I must sound like a sanctimonious witch, but I'm not really. Just saddened by what I see! ### Me too. My ex is a total trash dump in all respects now. A brilliant woman gone brain dead...can't even make a sentence, much less a living. A pretty girl with all sorts of diseases and conditions. 42 and looking a rough 78. I'm amazed she's still [barely] alive. It could have been much different. She turned into the mother she always hated times 2. She actually worked at it by actively resisting all else. Success was certain. Nothing could save her from herself..the self she blames on mom. Mom the model, who has all the power by default and doesn't even know it. The power to believe that one has no power is the same power as the power of belief that one has any power that one chooses. Or, one always succeeds, but one may not be aware of what the real goal is. Guilt and blame are the great enablers of falsehoods seeming to be true...the mechanism for projecting reponsibility for ones own thoughts ..and the awareness of those thoughts...to where the thinker can't possibly be thinking them. 'Downers' hide the link making the victim game plausable. Addiction is a patch to make a badly written program run...but the computer locks into a cause/effect feedback loop. The victim game IS a survival
Re: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome
Many of the early LSD research subjects reported being cured of life long addicitions, specifically, alchololism. The psycehdelics are all a bit different, but one trait they share is to present an opportunity to reset the computer. The computer can run the previous program as well. I suppose it has something to do with scrambling personal reality, then pick a reality..any reality till you find one that does what you want it to. Ibogain apparently has some additional physiological advantages. Underneath all the guilt projected upon addiction, addicts 'want' to be addicted because it serves a purpose in whatever life game they are playing. It's perfect for a victim game with a poor poor me script. Those who choose to release addiction during Ibogain treatment often relapse if dumped back into their previous environment. BTW, It is absolutely impossible to become physically addicted to LSD. Same for any other psychelic I've encountered. It's only a tool. Results depend on intent. New intents can come up when the program gets scrambled. No one forces anyone to think anything. Anything can be re-thought. One of the things that can make using psychedelics scary is having everything you thought to be true, blasted to smithereens. They will make you face yourself with nowhere to run. Some people freak when the mirror smacks them in the face...and the face melts right through it becoming the mask that it is, dripping with lies told to self. The main danger, socially speaking, is that seekers sometimes discover the lies of society along with their own lies and may decide to heal their environment along with themselves...but don't really know how to do something that few ever try to do. So, they become experimental. Can't have that! [An answer might be found that way...in a place where no questions are allowed.] The common factor with the CS experimenter? When nothing works, trying anything else might do better. What is known to be true cannot be actually true if it doesn't yield the desired results when implemented. Tradition suffers its own truth be it traditional meds or traditional social structures such as religions. If it don't work, do it harder, preferably to some one else. Ken At 12:04 PM 9/5/02 -0500, you wrote: Maybe I'm narrow minded, but isn't this like what one would look for that uses LSD? - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:37 PM Subject: RE: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome That stuff is the most potent shamanistic assist I have experienced. Definitely not a party drug. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: jrowl...@nctimes.net [mailto:jrowl...@nctimes.net] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 4:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome Marshall writes: ibogaine...http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/ It is illegal to possess in the US. For something that isn't...yet: http://www.sagewisdom.org/index.html jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome
I believe the pills added to GI ration kits was dextroamphetamine, a much milder form of amphetamines. The meth version didn't gain widespread popularity until the early-80s. - Original Message - From: jrowl...@nctimes.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:58 PM Subject: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome Barbara: ...meth you are referring to methamphetamine? JOH: Yes. Invented by the Nazis. Wasn't it also officially used by U.S. troops? Have heard various war stories of it being included (pill form) with their rations. Dehydration can also be an overlooked side-effect of drug use. jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome
It's about the only drug that was put down by the freaks - heads - of the sixties; they (we) got to see what it did, and it wasn't good. The phrase Speed Kills came from Not the police, nor the DEA (or whatever it was called then,) but from the long-haired blotter-acid taking dope smoking hippies who enthusiastcally embraced almost all other stimulants, depressants and psychedelics as food of the gods. strangely, one of it's better documented uses until new pharmaceuticals were invented that cost more and did about the same, but with worse side-effects, was to calm and help normalize hyperactive and ADHDchildren -- particularly in schools, where the kids would line up in front of the nurses office for their morning fix of speed - all properly physician prescribed, of course. James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: It is still used by US combat troops, particularly aircrews who have to stay aloft for days. It is used in current medical practice to increase blood pressure. Heavy use for a few months causes the major vessels to thicken and harden to deal with the increased BP. It is definitely a young persons drug, and then only enough to satisfy curiosity. The come-down is hideous, so one takes more to avoid it, resulting in days of physical exhaustion with super-high alertness, great fine-motor control, lightening-fast reflexes and brilliant mental function. Stroke occurs for some users. Paranoid psychosis for others. You could write a philosophical dissertation on the profound religious significance of a doorknob on the stuff. It has no known relationship to colloidal silver use. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: jrowl...@nctimes.net [mailto:jrowl...@nctimes.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:59 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome Barbara: ...meth you are referring to methamphetamine? JOH: Yes. Invented by the Nazis. Wasn't it also officially used by U.S. troops? Have heard various war stories of it being included (pill form) with their rations. Dehydration can also be an overlooked side-effect of drug use. jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome or perhaps other
Barbara Liles wrote: That's a good explanation to me as to why the MSM brought about such rapid results. I have my share of traumatic arthritis and had been taking a Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM tablet that had more of each component than most available. Then I got the bright idea that a liquid would be more efficiently absorbed so I added it twice a day. WOW! What a difference. I didn't know it was available in liquid form. I've used glucosamine/chondroitin and MSM and CMO with good results. I took MSM seperately from the glucosamine and chondroitin. Thanks for the informaion. Diane -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome
I believe that every living thing on earth has a use. Otherwise it would not be here. Well maybe not fleas, chiggers and ticks, but every plant anyway. The question is not if it has a legit use, but if the use of it is in some way abusive or counter productive. Even marijuana has legit uses for glaucoma and AAD, and tobacco makes a great pesticide. Marshall Barbara Liles wrote: Maybe I'm narrow minded, but isn't this like what one would look for that uses LSD? - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:37 PM Subject: RE: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome That stuff is the most potent shamanistic assist I have experienced. Definitely not a party drug. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: jrowl...@nctimes.net [mailto:jrowl...@nctimes.net] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 4:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome Marshall writes: ibogaine...http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/ It is illegal to possess in the US. For something that isn't...yet: http://www.sagewisdom.org/index.html jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Yes, but they are a totally different pharmacology. Many similarities but subtitle differences in effect. I have had little experience with the Salvia, but it seems to enable a connection between thought and physical problems. You get the sense that you can change the physical if you can change the thought train that is connected with the physical. A great sense of it will be OK in the long run. Perhaps that was just my set at the time. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Barbara Liles [mailto:ba...@netease.net] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 11:04 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome Maybe I'm narrow minded, but isn't this like what one would look for that uses LSD? - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:37 PM Subject: RE: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome That stuff is the most potent shamanistic assist I have experienced. Definitely not a party drug. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: jrowl...@nctimes.net [mailto:jrowl...@nctimes.net] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 4:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome Marshall writes: ibogaine...http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/ It is illegal to possess in the US. For something that isn't...yet: http://www.sagewisdom.org/index.html jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome or perhaps other
Toenails slowly improving when the treatment ended. I have had great results with dermal fungus--ringworm---by alternating topical CS/MSM with apple cider vinegar. That worked to eliminate it where the CS would only reduce it to the point where it could slowly return. A chemist told me that MSM is very stable in crystal form, and does not react easily because it completely oxidized. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Barbara Liles [mailto:ba...@netease.net] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 10:55 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome or perhaps other That's a good explanation to me as to why the MSM brought about such rapid results. I have my share of traumatic arthritis and had been taking a Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM tablet that had more of each component than most available. Then I got the bright idea that a liquid would be more efficiently absorbed so I added it twice a day. WOW! What a difference. It occurred to me that perhaps I had thought my wellness into existence to some extent, but when I failed to order a new supply soon enough, I could tell a difference. I am clueless as to the half life of powdered MSM, but don't think the body stores it well. Maybe somebody that knows can tell me about that! Anyway, when my new supply arrived I noticed a significant difference by the end of the day. I have since used it with an older horse whose odometer has turned over several times! He comes out of semi retirement quarterly to work cattle. He is very dedicated, works hard and loves it! The last time out I started dosing him with MSM a day in advance. I could see a difference and I've been watching this horse for 29 years! I knew the flavor was a deterrent so I made some goopy paste about the same consistency as the commercial paste wormers, loaded it in a syringe and sent it down the hatch, followed by an apple to help the attitude and taste buds. I understand about the DMSO stench. It's sorta like onions or garlic...if everybody in the house partakes, it isn't as noticeable. I trust your toenail fungus was cured?!!* Barbara - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:27 PM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome or perhaps other Closely related chemically but with some similar and some significantly different properties in the bod. I have researched neither well. There are several excellent sites. According to Brooks Bradley, MSM conditions the cell wall to transport some things better, but does not have the instant down to the marrow ability to carry other substances through the skin. DMSO has many very useful properties for many conditions, including reducing interracial pressure in closed head injuries. MSM is said to be good for skin and connective tissue; it contains the element sulfur that many say has been industrialized out of our food supply. When breathed with CS and O2, it is astounding with lung infections. I have never used DMSO that way, but it has better goo penetrating qualities, according to BB's research group. The stench from DMSO has stopped me, for social reasons, for using it more. 50/50 CS sol and DMSO was curing my toenail fungus but I wasn't getting laid. I have no way of knowing if my low back muscle and joint pain was almost eliminated because of my taking MSM on a daily basis, but it did get and stay much better. Lookitup. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Barbara Liles [mailto:ba...@netease.net] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 7:55 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Thanks for repeating the Ibogaine web site. Don't know how I missed it! I would appreciate any information that might be forthcoming about magnetic pulsing. Will suggest the CS/ lactated Ringers/ MSM mix to my friend. Isn't the MSM almost identical to DMSO? They sure don't taste like relatives! Actually, I don't know what all tests were negative. She was just told that the tests were negative!! Thanks for your help. I will pass this on. - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Response in your text. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Barbara Liles [mailto:ba...@netease.net] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 1:12 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Is the meth you are referring to methamphetamine? Sorry, I don't know the language very well. JOH: Yes. Invented by the Nazis. That's surprising to me about heroin as I thought it would surly short circuit the neurological system and probably damage all organs to some extent! JOH: Other than the dangers of poking septic stuff into your veins
RE: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome
Yes to it all. ADHD was invented to make a market for shrinks and Ritalin. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Malcolm Stebbins [mailto:s...@asis.com] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 6:32 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome It's about the only drug that was put down by the freaks - heads - of the sixties; they (we) got to see what it did, and it wasn't good. The phrase Speed Kills came from Not the police, nor the DEA (or whatever it was called then,) but from the long-haired blotter-acid taking dope smoking hippies who enthusiastcally embraced almost all other stimulants, depressants and psychedelics as food of the gods. strangely, one of it's better documented uses until new pharmaceuticals were invented that cost more and did about the same, but with worse side-effects, was to calm and help normalize hyperactive and ADHDchildren -- particularly in schools, where the kids would line up in front of the nurses office for their morning fix of speed - all properly physician prescribed, of course. James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: It is still used by US combat troops, particularly aircrews who have to stay aloft for days. It is used in current medical practice to increase blood pressure. Heavy use for a few months causes the major vessels to thicken and harden to deal with the increased BP. It is definitely a young persons drug, and then only enough to satisfy curiosity. The come-down is hideous, so one takes more to avoid it, resulting in days of physical exhaustion with super-high alertness, great fine-motor control, lightening-fast reflexes and brilliant mental function. Stroke occurs for some users. Paranoid psychosis for others. You could write a philosophical dissertation on the profound religious significance of a doorknob on the stuff. It has no known relationship to colloidal silver use. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: jrowl...@nctimes.net [mailto:jrowl...@nctimes.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:59 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome Barbara: ...meth you are referring to methamphetamine? JOH: Yes. Invented by the Nazis. Wasn't it also officially used by U.S. troops? Have heard various war stories of it being included (pill form) with their rations. Dehydration can also be an overlooked side-effect of drug use. jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome or perhaps other
On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:55:18 -0500, Barbara Liles ba...@netease.net wrote: I am clueless as to the half life of powdered MSM, but don't think the body stores it well. If you mean in the body, you need to take it every 4 to 8 hrs. to sustain relief. Chuck Relaxed Agnostic--I don't know any answers--I'm not looking very hard, either . -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome
Jeannie wrote: Marshall Dudley wrote: I believe that every living thing on earth has a use. Otherwise it would not be here. Well maybe not fleas, chiggers and ticks, but every plant anyway. The question is not if it has a legit use, but if the use of it is in some way abusive or counter productive. Even marijuana has legit uses for glaucoma and AAD, and tobacco makes a great pesticide. Marshall I agree that everything has a use, but to humans? What if it is useful to some caterpillar or something? Does it all have to be about us? Nothing lives in a vacuum. If it is not useful to us directly, then the caterpillar is useful (silk?), or the birds are useful that eat the caterpillars. It is all in the harmony of all things. There is balance in nature, and everything has its niche. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome
Marshall Dudley wrote: I believe that every living thing on earth has a use. Otherwise it would not be here. Well maybe not fleas, chiggers and ticks, but every plant anyway. The question is not if it has a legit use, but if the use of it is in some way abusive or counter productive. Even marijuana has legit uses for glaucoma and AAD, and tobacco makes a great pesticide. Marshall I agree that everything has a use, but to humans? What if it is useful to some caterpillar or something? Does it all have to be about us? Jeannie -- Women like silent men -- they think they're listening Jeannie McReynolds Oregon Coast -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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The perpetrators of the widespread availability of meth in Southern California is not traceable to returning GIs and Marines, who were largely hooked with heroin habits, but rather to the outlaw biker population, which made it widely available to young people. I know. I lived in San Diego County from 1968-1992, and my son was hooked on meth at the age of 14, by a biker crew which rented a home in an upscale neighborhood, cooked meth in the house bathtub, and gave it away free to every kid in the neighborhood for months. Bingo -- instant clientele. That went on until the bathroom blew up one day, and the biker boys just disappeared. This went on all over Southern California for the better part of a decade, and eventually branched out to the entire country when SoCal authorities got too smart. Then the trade shifted to the Mexican mafia. - Original Message - From: jrowl...@nctimes.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:09 PM Subject: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome Bill writes: I believe the pills added to GI ration kits was dextroamphetamine, a much milder form of amphetamines. The meth version didn't gain widespread popularity until the early-80s. Well, this government sponsored drug is rearing its head now in the form of wide-spread illegal meth labs all over San Diego county (for one)---a prime living area for ex-military, what with the Naval, Marine and defense-complex installations here. Did the government think that once out of the service, all would be forgotten and the servicemen and women suddenly be clean? Just declare another War---on the drugs they seeded it with. Pretzel logic at its finest. Just an opinion, jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Glad cow syndrome
Bill writes: I believe the pills added to GI ration kits was dextroamphetamine, a much milder form of amphetamines. The meth version didn't gain widespread popularity until the early-80s. Well, this government sponsored drug is rearing its head now in the form of wide-spread illegal meth labs all over San Diego county (for one)---a prime living area for ex-military, what with the Naval, Marine and defense-complex installations here. Did the government think that once out of the service, all would be forgotten and the servicemen and women suddenly be clean? Just declare another War---on the drugs they seeded it with. Pretzel logic at its finest. Just an opinion, jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I'm not sure I fully understand what you are saying, but the people I know who have an addiction are either unhappy with who they are or their circumstances (which they feel helpless of change) or they just like experimenting. In the former, if it worked for a little while to make them feel better about themselves or oblivious to the unhappiness or distress they experience, then it becomes a way out or an escape mechanism. I'm old enough to remember when recreational drugs were not so readily available and people dealt with their demons. Oh, yeah, but there was alcohol wasn't there. Anyway, the availability and social stigma that used to be attached make it much more acceptable and an excellent excuse not to fight the good fight to stay level. And even as I speak I see it destroying friends, neighbors and relatives. Have you ever noticed how sickly these folks are? As their general health declines from chemicals and malnutrition, the worse they feel. So, to feel better they go for the stuff. This is a broad sweeping statement, but I think that if people would take better care of their bodies they would feel better and the gray matter would perform better! Would be wonderful to have a rapid cure for addicts, their lives are not good even with the drugs giving them a reprieve from life! I think I must sound like a sanctimonious witch, but I'm not really. Just saddened by what I see! - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 6:31 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome Many of the early LSD research subjects reported being cured of life long addicitions, specifically, alchololism. The psycehdelics are all a bit different, but one trait they share is to present an opportunity to reset the computer. The computer can run the previous program as well. I suppose it has something to do with scrambling personal reality, then pick a reality..any reality till you find one that does what you want it to. Ibogain apparently has some additional physiological advantages. Underneath all the guilt projected upon addiction, addicts 'want' to be addicted because it serves a purpose in whatever life game they are playing. It's perfect for a victim game with a poor poor me script. Those who choose to release addiction during Ibogain treatment often relapse if dumped back into their previous environment. BTW, It is absolutely impossible to become physically addicted to LSD. Same for any other psychelic I've encountered. It's only a tool. Results depend on intent. New intents can come up when the program gets scrambled. No one forces anyone to think anything. Anything can be re-thought. One of the things that can make using psychedelics scary is having everything you thought to be true, blasted to smithereens. They will make you face yourself with nowhere to run. Some people freak when the mirror smacks them in the face...and the face melts right through it becoming the mask that it is, dripping with lies told to self. The main danger, socially speaking, is that seekers sometimes discover the lies of society along with their own lies and may decide to heal their environment along with themselves...but don't really know how to do something that few ever try to do. So, they become experimental. Can't have that! [An answer might be found that way...in a place where no questions are allowed.] The common factor with the CS experimenter? When nothing works, trying anything else might do better. What is known to be true cannot be actually true if it doesn't yield the desired results when implemented. Tradition suffers its own truth be it traditional meds or traditional social structures such as religions. If it don't work, do it harder, preferably to some one else. Ken At 12:04 PM 9/5/02 -0500, you wrote: Maybe I'm narrow minded, but isn't this like what one would look for that uses LSD? - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:37 PM Subject: RE: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome That stuff is the most potent shamanistic assist I have experienced. Definitely not a party drug. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: jrowl...@nctimes.net [mailto:jrowl...@nctimes.net] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 4:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome Marshall writes: ibogaine...http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/ It is illegal to possess in the US. For something that isn't...yet: http://www.sagewisdom.org/index.html jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html
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I find it strange that back when I was in school there was no such thing ADD or ADHD. But then that was before they gave it a name and a CPT code so the health professionals could bill for treating it. So after they gave it a name looks like school officials and parents that didn't believe in discipline or accountability hand a handy, dandy name (excuse) for why little Johnny or Susie acted out. It also paved the way to introduce dumbing down drugs at an earlier age and get control of Johnny and Susie. Mom and Dad could conveniently have their excuse and also become irresponsible. Got back pedal a little bit now...Some kids honest to gosh have a real problem with control, but then look at what they are eating. Dr. Feingold did an excellent job of making that information available! - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 11:05 AM Subject: RE: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome Yes to it all. ADHD was invented to make a market for shrinks and Ritalin. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Malcolm Stebbins [mailto:s...@asis.com] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 6:32 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome It's about the only drug that was put down by the freaks - heads - of the sixties; they (we) got to see what it did, and it wasn't good. The phrase Speed Kills came from Not the police, nor the DEA (or whatever it was called then,) but from the long-haired blotter-acid taking dope smoking hippies who enthusiastcally embraced almost all other stimulants, depressants and psychedelics as food of the gods. strangely, one of it's better documented uses until new pharmaceuticals were invented that cost more and did about the same, but with worse side-effects, was to calm and help normalize hyperactive and ADHDchildren -- particularly in schools, where the kids would line up in front of the nurses office for their morning fix of speed - all properly physician prescribed, of course. James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: It is still used by US combat troops, particularly aircrews who have to stay aloft for days. It is used in current medical practice to increase blood pressure. Heavy use for a few months causes the major vessels to thicken and harden to deal with the increased BP. It is definitely a young persons drug, and then only enough to satisfy curiosity. The come-down is hideous, so one takes more to avoid it, resulting in days of physical exhaustion with super-high alertness, great fine-motor control, lightening-fast reflexes and brilliant mental function. Stroke occurs for some users. Paranoid psychosis for others. You could write a philosophical dissertation on the profound religious significance of a doorknob on the stuff. It has no known relationship to colloidal silver use. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: jrowl...@nctimes.net [mailto:jrowl...@nctimes.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:59 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome Barbara: ...meth you are referring to methamphetamine? JOH: Yes. Invented by the Nazis. Wasn't it also officially used by U.S. troops? Have heard various war stories of it being included (pill form) with their rations. Dehydration can also be an overlooked side-effect of drug use. jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I agree and think it's incredible that marijuana has been banned for medical use yet cocaine hasn't been! Perhaps it all goes back to using some common sense and getting educated on what is naturally available. With regard to fleas, chiggers and ticks, all I know is that they build tolerance. They eat us up all summer but we tolerate them until winter! Even snakes are great. I've been rattlesnake bitten and give all snakes a wide berth, but they do beneficial things. It helps to realize their habits and territorial rights and respect them. I might not know the purpose, but if You Know Who created it, has a purpose! - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:55 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome I believe that every living thing on earth has a use. Otherwise it would not be here. Well maybe not fleas, chiggers and ticks, but every plant anyway. The question is not if it has a legit use, but if the use of it is in some way abusive or counter productive. Even marijuana has legit uses for glaucoma and AAD, and tobacco makes a great pesticide. Marshall Barbara Liles wrote: Maybe I'm narrow minded, but isn't this like what one would look for that uses LSD? - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:37 PM Subject: RE: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome That stuff is the most potent shamanistic assist I have experienced. Definitely not a party drug. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: jrowl...@nctimes.net [mailto:jrowl...@nctimes.net] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 4:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome Marshall writes: ibogaine...http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/ It is illegal to possess in the US. For something that isn't...yet: http://www.sagewisdom.org/index.html jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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That's an eye opener, but thinking back to when I have missed doses, I believe you are right. - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 1:40 PM Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome or perhaps other On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:55:18 -0500, Barbara Liles ba...@netease.net wrote: I am clueless as to the half life of powdered MSM, but don't think the body stores it well. If you mean in the body, you need to take it every 4 to 8 hrs. to sustain relief. Chuck Relaxed Agnostic--I don't know any answers--I'm not looking very hard, either . -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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The caterpillars need consideration also. If it thinks and feels it has a need. But then grass needs attention to thrive and be all that it could be. Now I'm thinking we need to look at what caliber of stewards we are of the earth we were given dominion over. What a mess we have made of a perfectly good Earth! From: Jeannie jean...@ucinet.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:17 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome Marshall Dudley wrote: I believe that every living thing on earth has a use. Otherwise it would not be here. Well maybe not fleas, chiggers and ticks, but every plant anyway. The question is not if it has a legit use, but if the use of it is in some way abusive or counter productive. Even marijuana has legit uses for glaucoma and AAD, and tobacco makes a great pesticide. Marshall I agree that everything has a use, but to humans? What if it is useful to some caterpillar or something? Does it all have to be about us? Jeannie -- Women like silent men -- they think they're listening Jeannie McReynolds Oregon Coast -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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But it isn't unique to San Diego County. I live so far in a rural area that to get to the General Store you only pass 3 houses in 6 miles. You don't know who's growing what in your soybean field or pine forest! As the recreational drug of choice changes so do the vendors change products. So now we have about 60% of 2000 people living on welfare augmented by a side line of theft or manufacturing some chemical. Bikers don't come through often because they don't like dirt roads with ruts in them. Ours is locally owned, operated and consumed. They are products of the product and their kids learn the ropes early. Mainly they learned how to get money without expending much energy! The weekly newspaper might as well be a rehash of the previous month because the same offenders are make the front page regularly. It sounds bad enough, but when you read it in print that this is a person's 5th offense, well, duh. I know they don't have room in the inn. Then we get to pick up the tab for the self induced health problems. The newspaper printed on the FRONT page the formula in detail of how to make methamphetamine! - Original Message - From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:34 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome The perpetrators of the widespread availability of meth in Southern California is not traceable to returning GIs and Marines, who were largely hooked with heroin habits, but rather to the outlaw biker population, which made it widely available to young people. I know. I lived in San Diego County from 1968-1992, and my son was hooked on meth at the age of 14, by a biker crew which rented a home in an upscale neighborhood, cooked meth in the house bathtub, and gave it away free to every kid in the neighborhood for months. Bingo -- instant clientele. That went on until the bathroom blew up one day, and the biker boys just disappeared. This went on all over Southern California for the better part of a decade, and eventually branched out to the entire country when SoCal authorities got too smart. Then the trade shifted to the Mexican mafia. - Original Message - From: jrowl...@nctimes.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:09 PM Subject: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome Bill writes: I believe the pills added to GI ration kits was dextroamphetamine, a much milder form of amphetamines. The meth version didn't gain widespread popularity until the early-80s. Well, this government sponsored drug is rearing its head now in the form of wide-spread illegal meth labs all over San Diego county (for one)---a prime living area for ex-military, what with the Naval, Marine and defense-complex installations here. Did the government think that once out of the service, all would be forgotten and the servicemen and women suddenly be clean? Just declare another War---on the drugs they seeded it with. Pretzel logic at its finest. Just an opinion, jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I wish those had been my words! - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:13 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome Jeannie wrote: Marshall Dudley wrote: I believe that every living thing on earth has a use. Otherwise it would not be here. Well maybe not fleas, chiggers and ticks, but every plant anyway. The question is not if it has a legit use, but if the use of it is in some way abusive or counter productive. Even marijuana has legit uses for glaucoma and AAD, and tobacco makes a great pesticide. Marshall I agree that everything has a use, but to humans? What if it is useful to some caterpillar or something? Does it all have to be about us? Nothing lives in a vacuum. If it is not useful to us directly, then the caterpillar is useful (silk?), or the birds are useful that eat the caterpillars. It is all in the harmony of all things. There is balance in nature, and everything has its niche. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Here is the information on a lead for Ibogaine treatment. Dr. Deborah Mash PhD (Not medical) University of Miami Probably the best place to start is the Department of Neurology. She is a principal in a facility located on St. Kitts Island. My friend said the presence of Meth might interfere with the use of Ibogaine; that will probably need to be addressed first. Of them all, it is the worst, long range. Heroin, aside from the dangers of OD and the potential for serious infection through route of administration, and malnutrition due to lack of interest in food, doesn't itself cause a lot of physiological damage. Meth does. Each of us has things to learn from each life. My current take an all this suffering is that the greater being wants the experiences to create the foundation for experiences of a different order and magnitude. Little wheel turn by the fire and rod. Big wheel turn by the will of god. Every time that wheel go round, bound to cover just a little more ground. Good fortune, James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Barbara Liles [mailto:ba...@netease.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 7:16 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Thanks, any help would be greatly appreciated. Although nothing will surpass the desire to be substance free, seems like there ought to be something out there that would begin to correct the chemical mess that results from introducing a host of bad chemicals into the system. I have little faith in modern medicine's approach to anything. Seems like they just initiate their own chemical dilemma! - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 4:25 PM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome I am contacting a friend who is a Shrink and has a great deal of knowledge about such matters. If he has useful leads will forward them to you. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Barbara Liles [mailto:ba...@netease.net] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 9:53 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome James, I'm sorta confused here, but have a very dear child that needs help with drug addiction. I think crank, heroine and pot are all involved. What is Ibogain. Is it really a tangible thing or slang for whatever? - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 9:49 AM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Yes. All of that has also been my observation. When one experiences a really clear mind, the fuzz-and-blur of alcohol becomes thick and distasteful, without even considering the aftereffects and long-range health deterioration. Ibogain. Relatively easy withdrawal from heroin addiction after as little as one dose has been reported in the medical community. I hear it is a fantastic aphrodisiac too. I have never been able to track it down. NOTE. Mandatory Colloidal-Silver-Related-Content follows: I wonder if you took a dose of a potent psychedelic with silver could you could watch the sliver kill the pathogens up-close and figure out the mechanism on a molecular level? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 6:36 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome I really don't know. I've not been to a doctor in 35+ years. I suspect it was a swollen gland and a good dose of mentally directed niacin from the shroom did it in. The heat seemed to be both thermal and the prickly kind gotten from niacin. It is the brain that directs everything, after all. Direct the brain and there's no tellin what can happen. Shamans have been using the shroom for eons to enable alternative focus of attention. Psychedelics have been know to completely reprogram people overnight. Longtime addicts to alchohol, coke and heroin have been cured in days without withdrawals with the use of strong psychedelics such as abogain [sp?] treatments.The early experiments with LSD yeilded some similar amazing results too. But it's not legal here. People who have their programming erased get strange ideas about freedom that those who would define it for us don't like. [No more achoholism AND no more marriage? No sense of hurry or pressure..no need for a car?] They like the idea that one would be freed of a drug addiction, but don't like it when the person gets freed of the whole consumer addiction/wage serf value system enchilada. If someone rethinks the entire system from scratch..that could be dangerous. When role playing means nothing, what then, is the role of leader worth? Ken At 01:05 PM 8/30/02 -0500, you wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis
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Response in your text. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Barbara Liles [mailto:ba...@netease.net] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 1:12 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Is the meth you are referring to methamphetamine? Sorry, I don't know the language very well. JOH: Yes. Invented by the Nazis. That's surprising to me about heroin as I thought it would surly short circuit the neurological system and probably damage all organs to some extent! JOH: Other than the dangers of poking septic stuff into your veins, malnutrition and constipation are the main physical effects, lacking serious overdose. Can you point me to a source of information about Ibogaine. Sounds like there is much potential there. JOH: This was just offered on the silver list. I have not read it. http://www.ibogaine.org/index.html To switch gears a bit, what do you think of a case of Lyme disease that wasn't diagnosed for some 6 months after the onset of symptoms and has yet to exhibit the Lyme virus? This person was treated aggressively with antibiotics and eventually with CS. At a stand still currently with some neurological deficits. JOH: It is a bacteria, a Spirochete closely related to Syphilis, causing similar damage. It is intercellular and has a life cycle of about 35 days. I tend to think long-term---months, or maybe years---of high quality CS will eliminate it, but others on the list think that additional methods are useful or needed, particularly magnetic pulsing. Ask on the list and someone will direct you to information on the device and use and other techniques. IV CS administered by a practitioner who knows safe technique will probably be more effective than oral CS. There are other similar organisms with similar effects that CS will probably kill. Do you mean that antibody tests are negative? A mix of 10 (or thereabouts) mg/L CS, 1 part by volume, and 3 parts lactated Ringers solution, and 1/4 teaspoon Methylsulfonylmethane will enhance absorption and increase blood levels about 4 times oral CS alone without the invasive technique. That would be 1 ounce, 3 ounces, and 1/4 teaspoon. Exact is not critical. Ringers is a common electrolyte replacement solution used in modern medicine. Gatoraid is basically that. You can get clear Gatoraid, without the food coloring. You will either need a script to buy Ringers at a pharmacy, or you can buy it for animals from a farm supply type business. All drugs sold for animals must meet the standards of USP. I'm just beginning to delve into Lyme disease, but it would seem that somewhere along the line someone would be able to definitively, conclusively detect the virus. Some of us are beginning to wonder if in fact she has/had Lyme or if the diagnosis was based more on symptoms! JOH: Whatever, if it is good CS, it can't hurt, and may help. Last I heard Borrelia is seldom cultured. Serological tests are insensitive during the early acute stage of the disease. Other methods may work, but results are often confusing. I have heard that after a given length of time it is more difficult to isolate the Lyme virus.but then I've HEARD so much that I'm currently in a fizz! Any suggestions or thoughts. I believe that people who are capable of thinking beat modern medicine hands down! JOH: Modern medicine is driven by the chemical giants, and is fundamentally evil, but can offer many useful benefits. I use what works from all schools, from faith-healing to surgery, each in their proper place. Self education from a broad spectrum of information sources helps choose what works for you. You will intuitively know bullshit from useful information. The fundamental basis for good health is good nutrition. Than includes physical, mental/emotional, and spiritual natural foods. Your thoughts create your reality. Good luck with it, JOH - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Here is the information on a lead for Ibogaine treatment. Dr. Deborah Mash PhD (Not medical) University of Miami Probably the best place to start is the Department of Neurology. She is a principal in a facility located on St. Kitts Island. My friend said the presence of Meth might interfere with the use of Ibogaine; that will probably need to be addressed first. Of them all, it is the worst, long range. Heroin, aside from the dangers of OD and the potential for serious infection through route of administration, and malnutrition due to lack of interest in food, doesn't itself cause a lot of physiological damage. Meth does. Each of us has things to learn from each life. My current take an all this suffering is that the greater being wants the experiences to create the foundation for experiences of a different order and magnitude. Little wheel turn by the fire and rod. Big
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To switch gears a bit, what do you think of a case of Lyme disease that wasn't diagnosed for some 6 months after the onset of symptoms and has yet to exhibit the Lyme virus? Lyme is not a virus, but a spirochete bacteria. It is pretty well normal to have lyme for 6 months or a year before the tests show positive, if ever. I think the tests are worse than nothing, since they have been known to give false negatives over 50% of the time, delaying treatment until severe damage has occurred. I had lyme and it took a year to convince the doctors, and the tests NEVER came back positive, even though I was bitten by a tick when visiting Conn., and it developed the spot and everything, and I got sick shortly after that and had all the classical symptoms. Unfortunately because of the stupid tests that are wrong over 50% of the time, I could not get treatment until I was on crutches, and instead of $3.00 worth of penicillin it took $6,000 worth of IV followed by a bunch of CS to defeat. This person was treated aggressively with antibiotics and eventually with CS. At a stand still currently with some neurological deficits. Neurological can be caused by the bacteria actually getting in the brain. That is much more difficult to treat, and oral antibiotics and CS will not reach it. Instead it required IV antibiotics or the use of the other parts of the Beck Protocol. Ozonated water and the pulser can get to them there. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Closely related chemically but with some similar and some significantly different properties in the bod. I have researched neither well. There are several excellent sites. According to Brooks Bradley, MSM conditions the cell wall to transport some things better, but does not have the instant down to the marrow ability to carry other substances through the skin. DMSO has many very useful properties for many conditions, including reducing interracial pressure in closed head injuries. MSM is said to be good for skin and connective tissue; it contains the element sulfur that many say has been industrialized out of our food supply. When breathed with CS and O2, it is astounding with lung infections. I have never used DMSO that way, but it has better goo penetrating qualities, according to BB's research group. The stench from DMSO has stopped me, for social reasons, for using it more. 50/50 CS sol and DMSO was curing my toenail fungus but I wasn't getting laid. I have no way of knowing if my low back muscle and joint pain was almost eliminated because of my taking MSM on a daily basis, but it did get and stay much better. Lookitup. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Barbara Liles [mailto:ba...@netease.net] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 7:55 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Thanks for repeating the Ibogaine web site. Don't know how I missed it! I would appreciate any information that might be forthcoming about magnetic pulsing. Will suggest the CS/ lactated Ringers/ MSM mix to my friend. Isn't the MSM almost identical to DMSO? They sure don't taste like relatives! Actually, I don't know what all tests were negative. She was just told that the tests were negative!! Thanks for your help. I will pass this on. - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Response in your text. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Barbara Liles [mailto:ba...@netease.net] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 1:12 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Is the meth you are referring to methamphetamine? Sorry, I don't know the language very well. JOH: Yes. Invented by the Nazis. That's surprising to me about heroin as I thought it would surly short circuit the neurological system and probably damage all organs to some extent! JOH: Other than the dangers of poking septic stuff into your veins, malnutrition and constipation are the main physical effects, lacking serious overdose. Can you point me to a source of information about Ibogaine. Sounds like there is much potential there. JOH: This was just offered on the silver list. I have not read it. http://www.ibogaine.org/index.html To switch gears a bit, what do you think of a case of Lyme disease that wasn't diagnosed for some 6 months after the onset of symptoms and has yet to exhibit the Lyme virus? This person was treated aggressively with antibiotics and eventually with CS. At a stand still currently with some neurological deficits. JOH: It is a bacteria, a Spirochete closely related to Syphilis, causing similar damage. It is intercellular and has a life cycle of about 35 days. I tend to think long-term---months, or maybe years---of high quality CS will eliminate it, but others on the list think that additional methods are useful or needed, particularly magnetic pulsing. Ask on the list and someone will direct you to information on the device and use and other techniques. IV CS administered by a practitioner who knows safe technique will probably be more effective than oral CS. There are other similar organisms with similar effects that CS will probably kill. Do you mean that antibody tests are negative? A mix of 10 (or thereabouts) mg/L CS, 1 part by volume, and 3 parts lactated Ringers solution, and 1/4 teaspoon Methylsulfonylmethane will enhance absorption and increase blood levels about 4 times oral CS alone without the invasive technique. That would be 1 ounce, 3 ounces, and 1/4 teaspoon. Exact is not critical. Ringers is a common electrolyte replacement solution used in modern medicine. Gatoraid is basically that. You can get clear Gatoraid, without the food coloring. You will either need a script to buy Ringers at a pharmacy, or you can buy it for animals from a farm supply type business. All drugs sold for animals must meet the standards of USP. I'm just beginning to delve into Lyme disease, but it would seem that somewhere along the line someone would be able to definitively, conclusively detect the virus. Some of us are beginning to wonder if in fact she has/had Lyme or if the diagnosis was based more on symptoms! JOH: Whatever, if it is good CS, it can't hurt, and may help. Last I heard Borrelia is seldom cultured. Serological tests
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That stuff is the most potent shamanistic assist I have experienced. Definitely not a party drug. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: jrowl...@nctimes.net [mailto:jrowl...@nctimes.net] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 4:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome Marshall writes: ibogaine...http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/ It is illegal to possess in the US. For something that isn't...yet: http://www.sagewisdom.org/index.html jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Barbara: ...meth you are referring to methamphetamine? JOH: Yes. Invented by the Nazis. Wasn't it also officially used by U.S. troops? Have heard various war stories of it being included (pill form) with their rations. Dehydration can also be an overlooked side-effect of drug use. jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi James, Referring to the salvia, I presume? Ciao, Craig James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: That stuff is the most potent shamanistic assist I have experienced. Definitely not a party drug. James-Osbourne: Holmes -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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It is still used by US combat troops, particularly aircrews who have to stay aloft for days. It is used in current medical practice to increase blood pressure. Heavy use for a few months causes the major vessels to thicken and harden to deal with the increased BP. It is definitely a young persons drug, and then only enough to satisfy curiosity. The come-down is hideous, so one takes more to avoid it, resulting in days of physical exhaustion with super-high alertness, great fine-motor control, lightening-fast reflexes and brilliant mental function. Stroke occurs for some users. You could write a philosophical dissertation on the profound religious significance of a doorknob on the stuff. It has no known relationship to colloidal silver use. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: jrowl...@nctimes.net [mailto:jrowl...@nctimes.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:59 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome Barbara: ...meth you are referring to methamphetamine? JOH: Yes. Invented by the Nazis. Wasn't it also officially used by U.S. troops? Have heard various war stories of it being included (pill form) with their rations. Dehydration can also be an overlooked side-effect of drug use. jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Yes. The CS of psychedelics. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Craig C Chamberlin [mailto:c...@itsmyplace.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome Hi James, Referring to the salvia, I presume? Ciao, Craig James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: That stuff is the most potent shamanistic assist I have experienced. Definitely not a party drug. James-Osbourne: Holmes -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Is the meth you are referring to methamphetamine? Sorry, I don't know the language very well. That's surprising to me about heroin as I thought it would surly short circuit the neurological system and probably damage all organs to some extent! Can you point me to a source of information about Ibogaine. Sounds like there is much potential there. To switch gears a bit, what do you think of a case of Lyme disease that wasn't diagnosed for some 6 months after the onset of symptoms and has yet to exhibit the Lyme virus? This person was treated aggressively with antibiotics and eventually with CS. At a stand still currently with some neurological deficits. I'm just beginning to delve into Lyme disease, but it would seem that somewhere along the line someone would be able to definitively, conclusively detect the virus. Some of us are beginning to wonder if in fact she has/had Lyme or if the diagnosis was based more on symptoms! I have heard that after a given length of time it is more difficult to isolate the Lyme virus.but then I've HEARD so much that I'm currently in a fizz! Any suggestions or thoughts. I believe that people who are capable of thinking beat modern medicine hands down! - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Here is the information on a lead for Ibogaine treatment. Dr. Deborah Mash PhD (Not medical) University of Miami Probably the best place to start is the Department of Neurology. She is a principal in a facility located on St. Kitts Island. My friend said the presence of Meth might interfere with the use of Ibogaine; that will probably need to be addressed first. Of them all, it is the worst, long range. Heroin, aside from the dangers of OD and the potential for serious infection through route of administration, and malnutrition due to lack of interest in food, doesn't itself cause a lot of physiological damage. Meth does. Each of us has things to learn from each life. My current take an all this suffering is that the greater being wants the experiences to create the foundation for experiences of a different order and magnitude. Little wheel turn by the fire and rod. Big wheel turn by the will of god. Every time that wheel go round, bound to cover just a little more ground. Good fortune, James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Barbara Liles [mailto:ba...@netease.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 7:16 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Thanks, any help would be greatly appreciated. Although nothing will surpass the desire to be substance free, seems like there ought to be something out there that would begin to correct the chemical mess that results from introducing a host of bad chemicals into the system. I have little faith in modern medicine's approach to anything. Seems like they just initiate their own chemical dilemma! - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 4:25 PM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome I am contacting a friend who is a Shrink and has a great deal of knowledge about such matters. If he has useful leads will forward them to you. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Barbara Liles [mailto:ba...@netease.net] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 9:53 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome James, I'm sorta confused here, but have a very dear child that needs help with drug addiction. I think crank, heroine and pot are all involved. What is Ibogain. Is it really a tangible thing or slang for whatever? - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 9:49 AM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Yes. All of that has also been my observation. When one experiences a really clear mind, the fuzz-and-blur of alcohol becomes thick and distasteful, without even considering the aftereffects and long-range health deterioration. Ibogain. Relatively easy withdrawal from heroin addiction after as little as one dose has been reported in the medical community. I hear it is a fantastic aphrodisiac too. I have never been able to track it down. NOTE. Mandatory Colloidal-Silver-Related-Content follows: I wonder if you took a dose of a potent psychedelic with silver could you could watch the sliver kill the pathogens up-close and figure out the mechanism on a molecular level? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 6:36 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow
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Thanks for repeating the Ibogaine web site. Don't know how I missed it! I would appreciate any information that might be forthcoming about magnetic pulsing. Will suggest the CS/ lactated Ringers/ MSM mix to my friend. Isn't the MSM almost identical to DMSO? They sure don't taste like relatives! Actually, I don't know what all tests were negative. She was just told that the tests were negative!! Thanks for your help. I will pass this on. - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Response in your text. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Barbara Liles [mailto:ba...@netease.net] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 1:12 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Is the meth you are referring to methamphetamine? Sorry, I don't know the language very well. JOH: Yes. Invented by the Nazis. That's surprising to me about heroin as I thought it would surly short circuit the neurological system and probably damage all organs to some extent! JOH: Other than the dangers of poking septic stuff into your veins, malnutrition and constipation are the main physical effects, lacking serious overdose. Can you point me to a source of information about Ibogaine. Sounds like there is much potential there. JOH: This was just offered on the silver list. I have not read it. http://www.ibogaine.org/index.html To switch gears a bit, what do you think of a case of Lyme disease that wasn't diagnosed for some 6 months after the onset of symptoms and has yet to exhibit the Lyme virus? This person was treated aggressively with antibiotics and eventually with CS. At a stand still currently with some neurological deficits. JOH: It is a bacteria, a Spirochete closely related to Syphilis, causing similar damage. It is intercellular and has a life cycle of about 35 days. I tend to think long-term---months, or maybe years---of high quality CS will eliminate it, but others on the list think that additional methods are useful or needed, particularly magnetic pulsing. Ask on the list and someone will direct you to information on the device and use and other techniques. IV CS administered by a practitioner who knows safe technique will probably be more effective than oral CS. There are other similar organisms with similar effects that CS will probably kill. Do you mean that antibody tests are negative? A mix of 10 (or thereabouts) mg/L CS, 1 part by volume, and 3 parts lactated Ringers solution, and 1/4 teaspoon Methylsulfonylmethane will enhance absorption and increase blood levels about 4 times oral CS alone without the invasive technique. That would be 1 ounce, 3 ounces, and 1/4 teaspoon. Exact is not critical. Ringers is a common electrolyte replacement solution used in modern medicine. Gatoraid is basically that. You can get clear Gatoraid, without the food coloring. You will either need a script to buy Ringers at a pharmacy, or you can buy it for animals from a farm supply type business. All drugs sold for animals must meet the standards of USP. I'm just beginning to delve into Lyme disease, but it would seem that somewhere along the line someone would be able to definitively, conclusively detect the virus. Some of us are beginning to wonder if in fact she has/had Lyme or if the diagnosis was based more on symptoms! JOH: Whatever, if it is good CS, it can't hurt, and may help. Last I heard Borrelia is seldom cultured. Serological tests are insensitive during the early acute stage of the disease. Other methods may work, but results are often confusing. I have heard that after a given length of time it is more difficult to isolate the Lyme virus.but then I've HEARD so much that I'm currently in a fizz! Any suggestions or thoughts. I believe that people who are capable of thinking beat modern medicine hands down! JOH: Modern medicine is driven by the chemical giants, and is fundamentally evil, but can offer many useful benefits. I use what works from all schools, from faith-healing to surgery, each in their proper place. Self education from a broad spectrum of information sources helps choose what works for you. You will intuitively know bullshit from useful information. The fundamental basis for good health is good nutrition. Than includes physical, mental/emotional, and spiritual natural foods. Your thoughts create your reality. Good luck with it, JOH - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Here is the information on a lead for Ibogaine treatment. Dr. Deborah Mash PhD (Not medical) University of Miami Probably the best place to start is the Department of Neurology. She
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That's a good explanation to me as to why the MSM brought about such rapid results. I have my share of traumatic arthritis and had been taking a Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM tablet that had more of each component than most available. Then I got the bright idea that a liquid would be more efficiently absorbed so I added it twice a day. WOW! What a difference. It occurred to me that perhaps I had thought my wellness into existence to some extent, but when I failed to order a new supply soon enough, I could tell a difference. I am clueless as to the half life of powdered MSM, but don't think the body stores it well. Maybe somebody that knows can tell me about that! Anyway, when my new supply arrived I noticed a significant difference by the end of the day. I have since used it with an older horse whose odometer has turned over several times! He comes out of semi retirement quarterly to work cattle. He is very dedicated, works hard and loves it! The last time out I started dosing him with MSM a day in advance. I could see a difference and I've been watching this horse for 29 years! I knew the flavor was a deterrent so I made some goopy paste about the same consistency as the commercial paste wormers, loaded it in a syringe and sent it down the hatch, followed by an apple to help the attitude and taste buds. I understand about the DMSO stench. It's sorta like onions or garlic...if everybody in the house partakes, it isn't as noticeable. I trust your toenail fungus was cured?!!* Barbara - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:27 PM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome or perhaps other Closely related chemically but with some similar and some significantly different properties in the bod. I have researched neither well. There are several excellent sites. According to Brooks Bradley, MSM conditions the cell wall to transport some things better, but does not have the instant down to the marrow ability to carry other substances through the skin. DMSO has many very useful properties for many conditions, including reducing interracial pressure in closed head injuries. MSM is said to be good for skin and connective tissue; it contains the element sulfur that many say has been industrialized out of our food supply. When breathed with CS and O2, it is astounding with lung infections. I have never used DMSO that way, but it has better goo penetrating qualities, according to BB's research group. The stench from DMSO has stopped me, for social reasons, for using it more. 50/50 CS sol and DMSO was curing my toenail fungus but I wasn't getting laid. I have no way of knowing if my low back muscle and joint pain was almost eliminated because of my taking MSM on a daily basis, but it did get and stay much better. Lookitup. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Barbara Liles [mailto:ba...@netease.net] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 7:55 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Thanks for repeating the Ibogaine web site. Don't know how I missed it! I would appreciate any information that might be forthcoming about magnetic pulsing. Will suggest the CS/ lactated Ringers/ MSM mix to my friend. Isn't the MSM almost identical to DMSO? They sure don't taste like relatives! Actually, I don't know what all tests were negative. She was just told that the tests were negative!! Thanks for your help. I will pass this on. - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Response in your text. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Barbara Liles [mailto:ba...@netease.net] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 1:12 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Is the meth you are referring to methamphetamine? Sorry, I don't know the language very well. JOH: Yes. Invented by the Nazis. That's surprising to me about heroin as I thought it would surly short circuit the neurological system and probably damage all organs to some extent! JOH: Other than the dangers of poking septic stuff into your veins, malnutrition and constipation are the main physical effects, lacking serious overdose. Can you point me to a source of information about Ibogaine. Sounds like there is much potential there. JOH: This was just offered on the silver list. I have not read it. http://www.ibogaine.org/index.html To switch gears a bit, what do you think of a case of Lyme disease that wasn't diagnosed for some 6 months after the onset of symptoms and has yet to exhibit the Lyme virus? This person was treated aggressively with antibiotics and eventually with CS. At a stand still currently with some
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Maybe I'm narrow minded, but isn't this like what one would look for that uses LSD? - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:37 PM Subject: RE: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome That stuff is the most potent shamanistic assist I have experienced. Definitely not a party drug. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: jrowl...@nctimes.net [mailto:jrowl...@nctimes.net] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 4:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Glad cow syndrome Marshall writes: ibogaine...http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/ It is illegal to possess in the US. For something that isn't...yet: http://www.sagewisdom.org/index.html jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Try this site http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/ - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 1:50 PM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome It is a real herb. From the Congo. Probably, your best chance of locating someone with current clinical information on it would be to contact High Times magazine. The article I read may have been in Nexus Magizine. I am sorry that I do not have more useful information for you. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Barbara Liles [mailto:ba...@netease.net] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 9:53 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome James, I'm sorta confused here, but have a very dear child that needs help with drug addiction. I think crank, heroine and pot are all involved. What is Ibogain. Is it really a tangible thing or slang for whatever? - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 9:49 AM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Yes. All of that has also been my observation. When one experiences a really clear mind, the fuzz-and-blur of alcohol becomes thick and distasteful, without even considering the aftereffects and long-range health deterioration. Ibogain. Relatively easy withdrawal from heroin addiction after as little as one dose has been reported in the medical community. I hear it is a fantastic aphrodisiac too. I have never been able to track it down. NOTE. Mandatory Colloidal-Silver-Related-Content follows: I wonder if you took a dose of a potent psychedelic with silver could you could watch the sliver kill the pathogens up-close and figure out the mechanism on a molecular level? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 6:36 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome I really don't know. I've not been to a doctor in 35+ years. I suspect it was a swollen gland and a good dose of mentally directed niacin from the shroom did it in. The heat seemed to be both thermal and the prickly kind gotten from niacin. It is the brain that directs everything, after all. Direct the brain and there's no tellin what can happen. Shamans have been using the shroom for eons to enable alternative focus of attention. Psychedelics have been know to completely reprogram people overnight. Longtime addicts to alchohol, coke and heroin have been cured in days without withdrawals with the use of strong psychedelics such as abogain [sp?] treatments.The early experiments with LSD yeilded some similar amazing results too. But it's not legal here. People who have their programming erased get strange ideas about freedom that those who would define it for us don't like. [No more achoholism AND no more marriage? No sense of hurry or pressure..no need for a car?] They like the idea that one would be freed of a drug addiction, but don't like it when the person gets freed of the whole consumer addiction/wage serf value system enchilada. If someone rethinks the entire system from scratch..that could be dangerous. When role playing means nothing, what then, is the role of leader worth? Ken At 01:05 PM 8/30/02 -0500, you wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden dollar..brain fertilizer. It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual lump about the size of a ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and getting bigger. Ken Could this have been a fatty tumor? I have several of those. Jeannie -- We lie the loudest when we lie to ourselves. Jeannie McReynolds Oregon Coast -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Malcolm writes: In a transparently devious attempt to keep this on topic; the False idea that you can distinguish a poisonous mushroom from non-poisonous ones because it will discolor a piece of silver, or make it non-poisonous by cooking it with silver is yet more of the stuff S. globata grows on. That's nice, Malcolm! grin I should think that the ... ahem ... recreational aspects of mushroom identification and culture have been covered sufficiently to satisfy basic curiosity and point out other resources... If not, any one of you can post a message here saying... I'm going to post something on the Off Topic List about this. Y'all come on over and we'll talk some more! That's silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com ... It's as easy as that! [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Thank you Catherine. I looked aver the antidotes some - Original Message - From: Catherine Creel ccr...@maine.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Dear Barbara, You may want to look at the anecdotes at this site prior to making a decision about ibogaine. http://www.ibogaine.org/ Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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It's all in/is THE mind. Consciousness is an inherent attribute of space. Proposed brief definition of Grok: intuitive synchronistic epiphany. And the ravens call, Attention, Attention, Attention James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 4:55 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome The psychedelic experience doesn't lend itself too communicable concepts very well. I mean, how does one convey the meaning of Heinliens Grok when Grok is so far beyond the limits of language and even brain that selects language...when Grok is beyond judgments that make concepts linear and place differential values upon them. When one can actually watch chaos come spinning into existance from nowhere and form itself into extremely detailed scenery and experience within that scenery with other people in that experience..all while being perfectly aware that one is sitting in a chair with eyes that are closed... Well. Perhaps what was experienced was a movie of the process by which reality itself is created in the sensory system. Me makes mention of bootstrap chicken/egg theory. Chickens and eggs are an experienced fact but both came first. In a observational state of mind, that makes perfect sense..describing why or how it makes sense, doesn't. It's like running a math equation in a word processing program. So yea, one sees many things, but in a context that's all inclusive beyond the limits of linear understanding and expression. There was , like, this singularity thing that , like , wow man, encompassed the entire universe, hey far out!, and made itself into a garbage bag with pinholes in it..and each of all the pinholes were thinking it alone was the source of the light being emmited from them and couldn't see the bag at all, I mean like man, the bag was space, See? And some of the pinholes were fighting about who was the shiniest and brightest light when really they were just a bigger orifice shitting less light...and that's where I am, except I can't be 'cause I'm here making up molecules by imposing and projecting geometric everythingness patterns onto nothing and I'm too busy believing I'm not to see that I am what I'm seeing I'm not. And no brain fart smells bad to the brain than com-poots it? Know what I mean Dude? No? Ok, I just gotta new old Suburu. Wanna ride? We can go watch the ocean think it's a bunch of droplets dancing. No? OK, girls in bikinis then. That's cool! Ken NOTE. Mandatory Colloidal-Silver-Related-Content follows: I wonder if you took a dose of a potent psychedelic with silver could you could watch the sliver kill the pathogens up-close and figure out the mechanism on a molecular level? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 6:36 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome I really don't know. I've not been to a doctor in 35+ years. I suspect it was a swollen gland and a good dose of mentally directed niacin from the shroom did it in. The heat seemed to be both thermal and the prickly kind gotten from niacin. It is the brain that directs everything, after all. Direct the brain and there's no tellin what can happen. Shamans have been using the shroom for eons to enable alternative focus of attention. Psychedelics have been know to completely reprogram people overnight. Longtime addicts to alchohol, coke and heroin have been cured in days without withdrawals with the use of strong psychedelics such as abogain [sp?] treatments.The early experiments with LSD yeilded some similar amazing results too. But it's not legal here. People who have their programming erased get strange ideas about freedom that those who would define it for us don't like. [No more achoholism AND no more marriage? No sense of hurry or pressure..no need for a car?] They like the idea that one would be freed of a drug addiction, but don't like it when the person gets freed of the whole consumer addiction/wage serf value system enchilada. If someone rethinks the entire system from scratch..that could be dangerous. When role playing means nothing, what then, is the role of leader worth? Ken At 01:05 PM 8/30/02 -0500, you wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden dollar..brain fertilizer. It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual lump about the size of a ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and getting bigger. Ken Could this have been a fatty tumor? I have several of those. Jeannie -- We lie the loudest when we lie to ourselves. Jeannie McReynolds Oregon Coast -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http
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There is a simple reagent that will identify the safe one; probably in that great sounding book. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Malcolm Stebbins [mailto:s...@asis.com] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 6:56 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Well, OTOH there is Stropharia Rogosoannulata (I kid you not!) commonly called the King or Garden Stropharia, wine mushroom, Omigodlookathesizathathing!! (colloq.) It is an undeniable saprophyte. So-called 'Stropharia Cubensis' are usually S. semiglobata, a dung fungus resembling P. cubensis but not blue staining. There are other imitators of the true blue P. spp. that stain blackish and will make you sicker 'n a dog or worse, so readers be warned that sampling some mushrooms can reduce your mileage right down to zero. I think you'd enjoy *Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms* by Stamets, Ten Speed Press. From the Frontispiece . . . . . . . . . Mycotopia: An environment wherein ecological equilibrium is enhanced through the judicious use of fungi for the betterment of all lifeforms. In a transparently devious attempt to keep this on topic; the False idea that you can distinguish a poisonous mushroom from non-poisonous ones because it will discolor a piece of silver, or make it non-poisonous by cooking it with silver is yet more of the stuff S. globata grows on. Take care, Malcolm Ode Coyote wrote: Ok, cool! Ken At 08:31 AM 8/31/02 -0700, you wrote: Sorry Ken. Stropharia Cubensis is exactly the same as Psilocybe Cubensis and they do not grow on wood. They are coprophilous (dung lovers). Trem - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 4:36 AM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Stropheria is a slightly different genus growing mostly in wood. There are panaeolus cyanescens also in the patties in the Gulf area. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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It is a real herb. From the Congo. Probably, your best chance of locating someone with current clinical information on it would be to contact High Times magazine. The article I read may have been in Nexus Magizine. I am sorry that I do not have more useful information for you. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Barbara Liles [mailto:ba...@netease.net] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 9:53 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome James, I'm sorta confused here, but have a very dear child that needs help with drug addiction. I think crank, heroine and pot are all involved. What is Ibogain. Is it really a tangible thing or slang for whatever? - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 9:49 AM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Yes. All of that has also been my observation. When one experiences a really clear mind, the fuzz-and-blur of alcohol becomes thick and distasteful, without even considering the aftereffects and long-range health deterioration. Ibogain. Relatively easy withdrawal from heroin addiction after as little as one dose has been reported in the medical community. I hear it is a fantastic aphrodisiac too. I have never been able to track it down. NOTE. Mandatory Colloidal-Silver-Related-Content follows: I wonder if you took a dose of a potent psychedelic with silver could you could watch the sliver kill the pathogens up-close and figure out the mechanism on a molecular level? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 6:36 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome I really don't know. I've not been to a doctor in 35+ years. I suspect it was a swollen gland and a good dose of mentally directed niacin from the shroom did it in. The heat seemed to be both thermal and the prickly kind gotten from niacin. It is the brain that directs everything, after all. Direct the brain and there's no tellin what can happen. Shamans have been using the shroom for eons to enable alternative focus of attention. Psychedelics have been know to completely reprogram people overnight. Longtime addicts to alchohol, coke and heroin have been cured in days without withdrawals with the use of strong psychedelics such as abogain [sp?] treatments.The early experiments with LSD yeilded some similar amazing results too. But it's not legal here. People who have their programming erased get strange ideas about freedom that those who would define it for us don't like. [No more achoholism AND no more marriage? No sense of hurry or pressure..no need for a car?] They like the idea that one would be freed of a drug addiction, but don't like it when the person gets freed of the whole consumer addiction/wage serf value system enchilada. If someone rethinks the entire system from scratch..that could be dangerous. When role playing means nothing, what then, is the role of leader worth? Ken At 01:05 PM 8/30/02 -0500, you wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden dollar..brain fertilizer. It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual lump about the size of a ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and getting bigger. Ken Could this have been a fatty tumor? I have several of those. Jeannie -- We lie the loudest when we lie to ourselves. Jeannie McReynolds Oregon Coast -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I am contacting a friend who is a Shrink and has a great deal of knowledge about such matters. If he has useful leads will forward them to you. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Barbara Liles [mailto:ba...@netease.net] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 9:53 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome James, I'm sorta confused here, but have a very dear child that needs help with drug addiction. I think crank, heroine and pot are all involved. What is Ibogain. Is it really a tangible thing or slang for whatever? - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 9:49 AM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Yes. All of that has also been my observation. When one experiences a really clear mind, the fuzz-and-blur of alcohol becomes thick and distasteful, without even considering the aftereffects and long-range health deterioration. Ibogain. Relatively easy withdrawal from heroin addiction after as little as one dose has been reported in the medical community. I hear it is a fantastic aphrodisiac too. I have never been able to track it down. NOTE. Mandatory Colloidal-Silver-Related-Content follows: I wonder if you took a dose of a potent psychedelic with silver could you could watch the sliver kill the pathogens up-close and figure out the mechanism on a molecular level? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 6:36 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome I really don't know. I've not been to a doctor in 35+ years. I suspect it was a swollen gland and a good dose of mentally directed niacin from the shroom did it in. The heat seemed to be both thermal and the prickly kind gotten from niacin. It is the brain that directs everything, after all. Direct the brain and there's no tellin what can happen. Shamans have been using the shroom for eons to enable alternative focus of attention. Psychedelics have been know to completely reprogram people overnight. Longtime addicts to alchohol, coke and heroin have been cured in days without withdrawals with the use of strong psychedelics such as abogain [sp?] treatments.The early experiments with LSD yeilded some similar amazing results too. But it's not legal here. People who have their programming erased get strange ideas about freedom that those who would define it for us don't like. [No more achoholism AND no more marriage? No sense of hurry or pressure..no need for a car?] They like the idea that one would be freed of a drug addiction, but don't like it when the person gets freed of the whole consumer addiction/wage serf value system enchilada. If someone rethinks the entire system from scratch..that could be dangerous. When role playing means nothing, what then, is the role of leader worth? Ken At 01:05 PM 8/30/02 -0500, you wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden dollar..brain fertilizer. It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual lump about the size of a ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and getting bigger. Ken Could this have been a fatty tumor? I have several of those. Jeannie -- We lie the loudest when we lie to ourselves. Jeannie McReynolds Oregon Coast -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Barb wrote (in reply to James): Thanks, any help would be greatly appreciated. This thread is a good study in just why and how we allow some off-topic content... The Glad cow subject thread diverged from another, more on-topic one, when somebody started talking about ... err, mushrooms. Then it continued to veer towards various mind-altering aspects of said fungi, and further discussion of their identification and culture... Yet, along the way, Barb saw something that applied to a situation close to her... and got a useful lead that may help someone heal. You never know. James correctly continued to address Barb's questions even after I'd requested the recreational mushroom discussion migrate. Ultimately, that decision upholds the core value of a forum like this... helping. Over here, I'm content if folks answer any reasonable health related questions, while guiding the non-CS related discussions to the OT list or private e-mail once basic information and a few pointers to other resources have been provided. You can *always* talk about mushrooms over on the Off Topic list, gents. grin To learn how to use the OT list, visit http://www.silverlist.org and click on the Off Topic List link. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Thanks, any help would be greatly appreciated. Although nothing will surpass the desire to be substance free, seems like there ought to be something out there that would begin to correct the chemical mess that results from introducing a host of bad chemicals into the system. I have little faith in modern medicine's approach to anything. Seems like they just initiate their own chemical dilemma! - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 4:25 PM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome I am contacting a friend who is a Shrink and has a great deal of knowledge about such matters. If he has useful leads will forward them to you. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Barbara Liles [mailto:ba...@netease.net] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 9:53 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome James, I'm sorta confused here, but have a very dear child that needs help with drug addiction. I think crank, heroine and pot are all involved. What is Ibogain. Is it really a tangible thing or slang for whatever? - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 9:49 AM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Yes. All of that has also been my observation. When one experiences a really clear mind, the fuzz-and-blur of alcohol becomes thick and distasteful, without even considering the aftereffects and long-range health deterioration. Ibogain. Relatively easy withdrawal from heroin addiction after as little as one dose has been reported in the medical community. I hear it is a fantastic aphrodisiac too. I have never been able to track it down. NOTE. Mandatory Colloidal-Silver-Related-Content follows: I wonder if you took a dose of a potent psychedelic with silver could you could watch the sliver kill the pathogens up-close and figure out the mechanism on a molecular level? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 6:36 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome I really don't know. I've not been to a doctor in 35+ years. I suspect it was a swollen gland and a good dose of mentally directed niacin from the shroom did it in. The heat seemed to be both thermal and the prickly kind gotten from niacin. It is the brain that directs everything, after all. Direct the brain and there's no tellin what can happen. Shamans have been using the shroom for eons to enable alternative focus of attention. Psychedelics have been know to completely reprogram people overnight. Longtime addicts to alchohol, coke and heroin have been cured in days without withdrawals with the use of strong psychedelics such as abogain [sp?] treatments.The early experiments with LSD yeilded some similar amazing results too. But it's not legal here. People who have their programming erased get strange ideas about freedom that those who would define it for us don't like. [No more achoholism AND no more marriage? No sense of hurry or pressure..no need for a car?] They like the idea that one would be freed of a drug addiction, but don't like it when the person gets freed of the whole consumer addiction/wage serf value system enchilada. If someone rethinks the entire system from scratch..that could be dangerous. When role playing means nothing, what then, is the role of leader worth? Ken At 01:05 PM 8/30/02 -0500, you wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden dollar..brain fertilizer. It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual lump about the size of a ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and getting bigger. Ken Could this have been a fatty tumor? I have several of those. Jeannie -- We lie the loudest when we lie to ourselves. Jeannie McReynolds Oregon Coast -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
The psychedelic experience doesn't lend itself too communicable concepts very well. I mean, how does one convey the meaning of Heinliens Grok when Grok is so far beyond the limits of language and even brain that selects language...when Grok is beyond judgments that make concepts linear and place differential values upon them. When one can actually watch chaos come spinning into existance from nowhere and form itself into extremely detailed scenery and experience within that scenery with other people in that experience..all while being perfectly aware that one is sitting in a chair with eyes that are closed... Well. Perhaps what was experienced was a movie of the process by which reality itself is created in the sensory system. Me makes mention of bootstrap chicken/egg theory. Chickens and eggs are an experienced fact but both came first. In a observational state of mind, that makes perfect sense..describing why or how it makes sense, doesn't. It's like running a math equation in a word processing program. So yea, one sees many things, but in a context that's all inclusive beyond the limits of linear understanding and expression. There was , like, this singularity thing that , like , wow man, encompassed the entire universe, hey far out!, and made itself into a garbage bag with pinholes in it..and each of all the pinholes were thinking it alone was the source of the light being emmited from them and couldn't see the bag at all, I mean like man, the bag was space, See? And some of the pinholes were fighting about who was the shiniest and brightest light when really they were just a bigger orifice shitting less light...and that's where I am, except I can't be 'cause I'm here making up molecules by imposing and projecting geometric everythingness patterns onto nothing and I'm too busy believing I'm not to see that I am what I'm seeing I'm not. And no brain fart smells bad to the brain than com-poots it? Know what I mean Dude? No? Ok, I just gotta new old Suburu. Wanna ride? We can go watch the ocean think it's a bunch of droplets dancing. No? OK, girls in bikinis then. That's cool! Ken NOTE. Mandatory Colloidal-Silver-Related-Content follows: I wonder if you took a dose of a potent psychedelic with silver could you could watch the sliver kill the pathogens up-close and figure out the mechanism on a molecular level? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 6:36 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome I really don't know. I've not been to a doctor in 35+ years. I suspect it was a swollen gland and a good dose of mentally directed niacin from the shroom did it in. The heat seemed to be both thermal and the prickly kind gotten from niacin. It is the brain that directs everything, after all. Direct the brain and there's no tellin what can happen. Shamans have been using the shroom for eons to enable alternative focus of attention. Psychedelics have been know to completely reprogram people overnight. Longtime addicts to alchohol, coke and heroin have been cured in days without withdrawals with the use of strong psychedelics such as abogain [sp?] treatments.The early experiments with LSD yeilded some similar amazing results too. But it's not legal here. People who have their programming erased get strange ideas about freedom that those who would define it for us don't like. [No more achoholism AND no more marriage? No sense of hurry or pressure..no need for a car?] They like the idea that one would be freed of a drug addiction, but don't like it when the person gets freed of the whole consumer addiction/wage serf value system enchilada. If someone rethinks the entire system from scratch..that could be dangerous. When role playing means nothing, what then, is the role of leader worth? Ken At 01:05 PM 8/30/02 -0500, you wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden dollar..brain fertilizer. It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual lump about the size of a ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and getting bigger. Ken Could this have been a fatty tumor? I have several of those. Jeannie -- We lie the loudest when we lie to ourselves. Jeannie McReynolds Oregon Coast -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
Ok, cool! Ken At 08:31 AM 8/31/02 -0700, you wrote: Sorry Ken. Stropharia Cubensis is exactly the same as Psilocybe Cubensis and they do not grow on wood. They are coprophilous (dung lovers). Trem - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 4:36 AM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Stropheria is a slightly different genus growing mostly in wood. There are panaeolus cyanescens also in the patties in the Gulf area. I was hunting psilocybe cubensis. Some days I found one. Other days 80 and 90 pounds of em. We used to boil em down and put the juice 50/50 with beer in a keg and have a party Sweet home Alabama style. I'm no expert either..ya made me go look it up :-) Gosh that was a long time ago. ken At 01:10 PM 8/30/02 -0600, you wrote: Oh, spooky. Maybe the shroom enlightened a neoplasm. I'm no expert, but I think it is Stropharia Cubensis that grows in the pies. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:06 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden dollar..brain fertilizer. It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual lump about the size of a ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and getting bigger. Ken At 12:26 PM 8/30/02 -0600, you wrote: If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? I love it! Was that S.C. that you used on the tight muscle? I have never heard of that therapy. I used to grow them, but it quite a project. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 6:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Glad gow syndrome Alas, I didn't know about CS back when hunting the noble cubensis in the distant 70s. But I have used the fungi to heal lumps in muscles over night. It seemed to have a magical property of concentrating a prodigious heat wherever the concentration was held on a certain spot with a healing intent. It feels much like a mentally directed niacin flush. Makes the spot reddish and radiant with heat. Months old Ping pong ball sized lump deep in the arm muscle vanishes by morning... I have no idea what it was, just that it went away and never came back. If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? Ken At 11:31 AM 8/29/02 -0600, you wrote: Have you guys been blending the sol with cow-pie fungi? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:45 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... The DR Clark Kent super zapper! It could change anyone in a phone booth in a real hurry! ..and make one leap over tall buildings. No para sites on M! [I have real sites ] Ken At 05:37 AM 8/29/02 -0400, you wrote: - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:39 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... For the HV guys, replace the electrodes on a Stun gun with silver ones. Impress your friends. WOO,HOO!!! LOL! And if one has to use it as a self defense device... You could induce some shock burns, but sterilize the wounds with silver at the same time. How thoughtful and considerate. :) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dear Barbara, You may want to look at the anecdotes at this site prior to making a decision about ibogaine. http://www.ibogaine.org/ Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Well, OTOH there is Stropharia Rogosoannulata (I kid you not!) commonly called the King or Garden Stropharia, wine mushroom, Omigodlookathesizathathing!! (colloq.) It is an undeniable saprophyte. So-called 'Stropharia Cubensis' are usually S. semiglobata, a dung fungus resembling P. cubensis but not blue staining. There are other imitators of the true blue P. spp. that stain blackish and will make you sicker 'n a dog or worse, so readers be warned that sampling some mushrooms can reduce your mileage right down to zero. I think you'd enjoy *Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms* by Stamets, Ten Speed Press. From the Frontispiece . . . . . . . . . Mycotopia: An environment wherein ecological equilibrium is enhanced through the judicious use of fungi for the betterment of all lifeforms. In a transparently devious attempt to keep this on topic; the False idea that you can distinguish a poisonous mushroom from non-poisonous ones because it will discolor a piece of silver, or make it non-poisonous by cooking it with silver is yet more of the stuff S. globata grows on. Take care, Malcolm Ode Coyote wrote: Ok, cool! Ken At 08:31 AM 8/31/02 -0700, you wrote: Sorry Ken. Stropharia Cubensis is exactly the same as Psilocybe Cubensis and they do not grow on wood. They are coprophilous (dung lovers). Trem - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 4:36 AM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Stropheria is a slightly different genus growing mostly in wood. There are panaeolus cyanescens also in the patties in the Gulf area. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
Barbara, This web site has info on Ibogain. It is a paper on IBOGAINE: A BRIEF HISTORY INCLUDING RESEARCH CONDUCTED IN 1995 1996 http://www.drogeninfo.de/files/ibogain.html Ralph Gerhardt == At 10:52 AM 9/2/02 -0500, you wrote: James, I'm sorta confused here, but have a very dear child that needs help with drug addiction. I think crank, heroine and pot are all involved. What is Ibogain. Is it really a tangible thing or slang for whatever? - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 9:49 AM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Yes. All of that has also been my observation. When one experiences a really clear mind, the fuzz-and-blur of alcohol becomes thick and distasteful, without even considering the aftereffects and long-range health deterioration. Ibogain. Relatively easy withdrawal from heroin addiction after as little as one dose has been reported in the medical community. I hear it is a fantastic aphrodisiac too. I have never been able to track it down. NOTE. Mandatory Colloidal-Silver-Related-Content follows: I wonder if you took a dose of a potent psychedelic with silver could you could watch the sliver kill the pathogens up-close and figure out the mechanism on a molecular level? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 6:36 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome I really don't know. I've not been to a doctor in 35+ years. I suspect it was a swollen gland and a good dose of mentally directed niacin from the shroom did it in. The heat seemed to be both thermal and the prickly kind gotten from niacin. It is the brain that directs everything, after all. Direct the brain and there's no tellin what can happen. Shamans have been using the shroom for eons to enable alternative focus of attention. Psychedelics have been know to completely reprogram people overnight. Longtime addicts to alchohol, coke and heroin have been cured in days without withdrawals with the use of strong psychedelics such as abogain [sp?] treatments.The early experiments with LSD yeilded some similar amazing results too. But it's not legal here. People who have their programming erased get strange ideas about freedom that those who would define it for us don't like. [No more achoholism AND no more marriage? No sense of hurry or pressure..no need for a car?] They like the idea that one would be freed of a drug addiction, but don't like it when the person gets freed of the whole consumer addiction/wage serf value system enchilada. If someone rethinks the entire system from scratch..that could be dangerous. When role playing means nothing, what then, is the role of leader worth? Ken At 01:05 PM 8/30/02 -0500, you wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden dollar..brain fertilizer. It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual lump about the size of a ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and getting bigger. Ken Could this have been a fatty tumor? I have several of those. Jeannie -- We lie the loudest when we lie to ourselves. Jeannie McReynolds Oregon Coast -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
James, I'm sorta confused here, but have a very dear child that needs help with drug addiction. I think crank, heroine and pot are all involved. What is Ibogain. Is it really a tangible thing or slang for whatever? - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 9:49 AM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Yes. All of that has also been my observation. When one experiences a really clear mind, the fuzz-and-blur of alcohol becomes thick and distasteful, without even considering the aftereffects and long-range health deterioration. Ibogain. Relatively easy withdrawal from heroin addiction after as little as one dose has been reported in the medical community. I hear it is a fantastic aphrodisiac too. I have never been able to track it down. NOTE. Mandatory Colloidal-Silver-Related-Content follows: I wonder if you took a dose of a potent psychedelic with silver could you could watch the sliver kill the pathogens up-close and figure out the mechanism on a molecular level? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 6:36 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome I really don't know. I've not been to a doctor in 35+ years. I suspect it was a swollen gland and a good dose of mentally directed niacin from the shroom did it in. The heat seemed to be both thermal and the prickly kind gotten from niacin. It is the brain that directs everything, after all. Direct the brain and there's no tellin what can happen. Shamans have been using the shroom for eons to enable alternative focus of attention. Psychedelics have been know to completely reprogram people overnight. Longtime addicts to alchohol, coke and heroin have been cured in days without withdrawals with the use of strong psychedelics such as abogain [sp?] treatments.The early experiments with LSD yeilded some similar amazing results too. But it's not legal here. People who have their programming erased get strange ideas about freedom that those who would define it for us don't like. [No more achoholism AND no more marriage? No sense of hurry or pressure..no need for a car?] They like the idea that one would be freed of a drug addiction, but don't like it when the person gets freed of the whole consumer addiction/wage serf value system enchilada. If someone rethinks the entire system from scratch..that could be dangerous. When role playing means nothing, what then, is the role of leader worth? Ken At 01:05 PM 8/30/02 -0500, you wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden dollar..brain fertilizer. It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual lump about the size of a ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and getting bigger. Ken Could this have been a fatty tumor? I have several of those. Jeannie -- We lie the loudest when we lie to ourselves. Jeannie McReynolds Oregon Coast -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
Stropheria is a slightly different genus growing mostly in wood. There are panaeolus cyanescens also in the patties in the Gulf area. I was hunting psilocybe cubensis. Some days I found one. Other days 80 and 90 pounds of em. We used to boil em down and put the juice 50/50 with beer in a keg and have a party Sweet home Alabama style. I'm no expert either..ya made me go look it up :-) Gosh that was a long time ago. ken At 01:10 PM 8/30/02 -0600, you wrote: Oh, spooky. Maybe the shroom enlightened a neoplasm. I'm no expert, but I think it is Stropharia Cubensis that grows in the pies. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:06 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden dollar..brain fertilizer. It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual lump about the size of a ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and getting bigger. Ken At 12:26 PM 8/30/02 -0600, you wrote: If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? I love it! Was that S.C. that you used on the tight muscle? I have never heard of that therapy. I used to grow them, but it quite a project. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 6:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Glad gow syndrome Alas, I didn't know about CS back when hunting the noble cubensis in the distant 70s. But I have used the fungi to heal lumps in muscles over night. It seemed to have a magical property of concentrating a prodigious heat wherever the concentration was held on a certain spot with a healing intent. It feels much like a mentally directed niacin flush. Makes the spot reddish and radiant with heat. Months old Ping pong ball sized lump deep in the arm muscle vanishes by morning... I have no idea what it was, just that it went away and never came back. If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? Ken At 11:31 AM 8/29/02 -0600, you wrote: Have you guys been blending the sol with cow-pie fungi? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:45 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... The DR Clark Kent super zapper! It could change anyone in a phone booth in a real hurry! ..and make one leap over tall buildings. No para sites on M! [I have real sites ] Ken At 05:37 AM 8/29/02 -0400, you wrote: - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:39 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... For the HV guys, replace the electrodes on a Stun gun with silver ones. Impress your friends. WOO,HOO!!! LOL! And if one has to use it as a self defense device... You could induce some shock burns, but sterilize the wounds with silver at the same time. How thoughtful and considerate. :) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
I really don't know. I've not been to a doctor in 35+ years. I suspect it was a swollen gland and a good dose of mentally directed niacin from the shroom did it in. The heat seemed to be both thermal and the prickly kind gotten from niacin. It is the brain that directs everything, after all. Direct the brain and there's no tellin what can happen. Shamans have been using the shroom for eons to enable alternative focus of attention. Psychedelics have been know to completely reprogram people overnight. Longtime addicts to alchohol, coke and heroin have been cured in days without withdrawals with the use of strong psychedelics such as abogain [sp?] treatments.The early experiments with LSD yeilded some similar amazing results too. But it's not legal here. People who have their programming erased get strange ideas about freedom that those who would define it for us don't like. [No more achoholism AND no more marriage? No sense of hurry or pressure..no need for a car?] They like the idea that one would be freed of a drug addiction, but don't like it when the person gets freed of the whole consumer addiction/wage serf value system enchilada. If someone rethinks the entire system from scratch..that could be dangerous. When role playing means nothing, what then, is the role of leader worth? Ken At 01:05 PM 8/30/02 -0500, you wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden dollar..brain fertilizer. It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual lump about the size of a ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and getting bigger. Ken Could this have been a fatty tumor? I have several of those. Jeannie -- We lie the loudest when we lie to ourselves. Jeannie McReynolds Oregon Coast -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
Yes. All of that has also been my observation. When one experiences a really clear mind, the fuzz-and-blur of alcohol becomes thick and distasteful, without even considering the aftereffects and long-range health deterioration. Ibogain. Relatively easy withdrawal from heroin addiction after as little as one dose has been reported in the medical community. I hear it is a fantastic aphrodisiac too. I have never been able to track it down. NOTE. Mandatory Colloidal-Silver-Related-Content follows: I wonder if you took a dose of a potent psychedelic with silver could you could watch the sliver kill the pathogens up-close and figure out the mechanism on a molecular level? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 6:36 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome I really don't know. I've not been to a doctor in 35+ years. I suspect it was a swollen gland and a good dose of mentally directed niacin from the shroom did it in. The heat seemed to be both thermal and the prickly kind gotten from niacin. It is the brain that directs everything, after all. Direct the brain and there's no tellin what can happen. Shamans have been using the shroom for eons to enable alternative focus of attention. Psychedelics have been know to completely reprogram people overnight. Longtime addicts to alchohol, coke and heroin have been cured in days without withdrawals with the use of strong psychedelics such as abogain [sp?] treatments.The early experiments with LSD yeilded some similar amazing results too. But it's not legal here. People who have their programming erased get strange ideas about freedom that those who would define it for us don't like. [No more achoholism AND no more marriage? No sense of hurry or pressure..no need for a car?] They like the idea that one would be freed of a drug addiction, but don't like it when the person gets freed of the whole consumer addiction/wage serf value system enchilada. If someone rethinks the entire system from scratch..that could be dangerous. When role playing means nothing, what then, is the role of leader worth? Ken At 01:05 PM 8/30/02 -0500, you wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden dollar..brain fertilizer. It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual lump about the size of a ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and getting bigger. Ken Could this have been a fatty tumor? I have several of those. Jeannie -- We lie the loudest when we lie to ourselves. Jeannie McReynolds Oregon Coast -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
Sorry Ken. Stropharia Cubensis is exactly the same as Psilocybe Cubensis and they do not grow on wood. They are coprophilous (dung lovers). Trem - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 4:36 AM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Stropheria is a slightly different genus growing mostly in wood. There are panaeolus cyanescens also in the patties in the Gulf area. I was hunting psilocybe cubensis. Some days I found one. Other days 80 and 90 pounds of em. We used to boil em down and put the juice 50/50 with beer in a keg and have a party Sweet home Alabama style. I'm no expert either..ya made me go look it up :-) Gosh that was a long time ago. ken At 01:10 PM 8/30/02 -0600, you wrote: Oh, spooky. Maybe the shroom enlightened a neoplasm. I'm no expert, but I think it is Stropharia Cubensis that grows in the pies. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:06 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden dollar..brain fertilizer. It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual lump about the size of a ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and getting bigger. Ken At 12:26 PM 8/30/02 -0600, you wrote: If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? I love it! Was that S.C. that you used on the tight muscle? I have never heard of that therapy. I used to grow them, but it quite a project. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 6:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Glad gow syndrome Alas, I didn't know about CS back when hunting the noble cubensis in the distant 70s. But I have used the fungi to heal lumps in muscles over night. It seemed to have a magical property of concentrating a prodigious heat wherever the concentration was held on a certain spot with a healing intent. It feels much like a mentally directed niacin flush. Makes the spot reddish and radiant with heat. Months old Ping pong ball sized lump deep in the arm muscle vanishes by morning... I have no idea what it was, just that it went away and never came back. If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? Ken At 11:31 AM 8/29/02 -0600, you wrote: Have you guys been blending the sol with cow-pie fungi? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:45 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... The DR Clark Kent super zapper! It could change anyone in a phone booth in a real hurry! ..and make one leap over tall buildings. No para sites on M! [I have real sites ] Ken At 05:37 AM 8/29/02 -0400, you wrote: - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:39 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... For the HV guys, replace the electrodes on a Stun gun with silver ones. Impress your friends. WOO,HOO!!! LOL! And if one has to use it as a self defense device... You could induce some shock burns, but sterilize the wounds with silver at the same time. How thoughtful and considerate. :) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Yes. All of that has also been my observation. When one experiences a really clear mind, the fuzz-and-blur of alcohol becomes thick and distasteful, without even considering the aftereffects and long-range health deterioration. Ibogain. Relatively easy withdrawal from heroin addiction after as little as one dose has been reported in the medical community. I hear it is a fantastic aphrodisiac too. I have never been able to track it down. It is also spelled ibogaine. http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/ It is illegal to possess in the US. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
It is displaying fine. Maybe there was a hiccup on the net. Marshall James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: My typo. My reference also spells it ibogaine. It is probably illegal for a person to possess it, but not unlawful for a free man to possess. That link gave a Cannot be displayed... error. I would really like to view it. Please check the URL and confirm. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 10:16 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Yes. All of that has also been my observation. When one experiences a really clear mind, the fuzz-and-blur of alcohol becomes thick and distasteful, without even considering the aftereffects and long-range health deterioration. Ibogain. Relatively easy withdrawal from heroin addiction after as little as one dose has been reported in the medical community. I hear it is a fantastic aphrodisiac too. I have never been able to track it down. It is also spelled ibogaine. http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/ It is illegal to possess in the US. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
Ibogaine was originally discovered by African native hunters, who supposedly would consume large doses of it before going on important hunts, so they could remain attentive yet perfectly still in the brush while the prey approached. It is also the fictitious drug that Hunter S. Thompson accused Maine Sen. Edmund Muskie of being addicted to (because he was so unexcitable) during the infamous 1972 presidential campaign. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Yes. All of that has also been my observation. When one experiences a really clear mind, the fuzz-and-blur of alcohol becomes thick and distasteful, without even considering the aftereffects and long-range health deterioration. Ibogain. Relatively easy withdrawal from heroin addiction after as little as one dose has been reported in the medical community. I hear it is a fantastic aphrodisiac too. I have never been able to track it down. It is also spelled ibogaine. http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/ It is illegal to possess in the US. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
coprophilous: the US voting public. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 9:31 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Sorry Ken. Stropharia Cubensis is exactly the same as Psilocybe Cubensis and they do not grow on wood. They are coprophilous (dung lovers). Trem - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 4:36 AM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Stropheria is a slightly different genus growing mostly in wood. There are panaeolus cyanescens also in the patties in the Gulf area. I was hunting psilocybe cubensis. Some days I found one. Other days 80 and 90 pounds of em. We used to boil em down and put the juice 50/50 with beer in a keg and have a party Sweet home Alabama style. I'm no expert either..ya made me go look it up :-) Gosh that was a long time ago. ken At 01:10 PM 8/30/02 -0600, you wrote: Oh, spooky. Maybe the shroom enlightened a neoplasm. I'm no expert, but I think it is Stropharia Cubensis that grows in the pies. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:06 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden dollar..brain fertilizer. It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual lump about the size of a ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and getting bigger. Ken At 12:26 PM 8/30/02 -0600, you wrote: If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? I love it! Was that S.C. that you used on the tight muscle? I have never heard of that therapy. I used to grow them, but it quite a project. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 6:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Glad gow syndrome Alas, I didn't know about CS back when hunting the noble cubensis in the distant 70s. But I have used the fungi to heal lumps in muscles over night. It seemed to have a magical property of concentrating a prodigious heat wherever the concentration was held on a certain spot with a healing intent. It feels much like a mentally directed niacin flush. Makes the spot reddish and radiant with heat. Months old Ping pong ball sized lump deep in the arm muscle vanishes by morning... I have no idea what it was, just that it went away and never came back. If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? Ken At 11:31 AM 8/29/02 -0600, you wrote: Have you guys been blending the sol with cow-pie fungi? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:45 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... The DR Clark Kent super zapper! It could change anyone in a phone booth in a real hurry! ..and make one leap over tall buildings. No para sites on M! [I have real sites ] Ken At 05:37 AM 8/29/02 -0400, you wrote: - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:39 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... For the HV guys, replace the electrodes on a Stun gun with silver ones. Impress your friends. WOO,HOO!!! LOL! And if one has to use it as a self defense device... You could induce some shock burns, but sterilize the wounds with silver at the same time. How thoughtful and considerate. :) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
My typo. My reference also spells it ibogaine. It is probably illegal for a person to possess it, but not unlawful for a free man to possess. That link gave a Cannot be displayed... error. I would really like to view it. Please check the URL and confirm. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 10:16 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Yes. All of that has also been my observation. When one experiences a really clear mind, the fuzz-and-blur of alcohol becomes thick and distasteful, without even considering the aftereffects and long-range health deterioration. Ibogain. Relatively easy withdrawal from heroin addiction after as little as one dose has been reported in the medical community. I hear it is a fantastic aphrodisiac too. I have never been able to track it down. It is also spelled ibogaine. http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/ It is illegal to possess in the US. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Glad cow syndrome
Marshall writes: ibogaine...http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/ It is illegal to possess in the US. For something that isn't...yet: http://www.sagewisdom.org/index.html jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
Psilocybe cubensis and stropharia cubensis are the same mushroom. They are coprophilous. They work quite well for the brain. Never heard of them helping any physical problems. Trem - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:10 PM Subject: RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Oh, spooky. Maybe the shroom enlightened a neoplasm. I'm no expert, but I think it is Stropharia Cubensis that grows in the pies. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:06 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden dollar..brain fertilizer. It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual lump about the size of a ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and getting bigger. Ken At 12:26 PM 8/30/02 -0600, you wrote: If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? I love it! Was that S.C. that you used on the tight muscle? I have never heard of that therapy. I used to grow them, but it quite a project. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 6:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Glad gow syndrome Alas, I didn't know about CS back when hunting the noble cubensis in the distant 70s. But I have used the fungi to heal lumps in muscles over night. It seemed to have a magical property of concentrating a prodigious heat wherever the concentration was held on a certain spot with a healing intent. It feels much like a mentally directed niacin flush. Makes the spot reddish and radiant with heat. Months old Ping pong ball sized lump deep in the arm muscle vanishes by morning... I have no idea what it was, just that it went away and never came back. If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? Ken At 11:31 AM 8/29/02 -0600, you wrote: Have you guys been blending the sol with cow-pie fungi? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:45 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... The DR Clark Kent super zapper! It could change anyone in a phone booth in a real hurry! ..and make one leap over tall buildings. No para sites on M! [I have real sites ] Ken At 05:37 AM 8/29/02 -0400, you wrote: - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:39 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... For the HV guys, replace the electrodes on a Stun gun with silver ones. Impress your friends. WOO,HOO!!! LOL! And if one has to use it as a self defense device... You could induce some shock burns, but sterilize the wounds with silver at the same time. How thoughtful and considerate. :) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
Ode Coyote wrote: Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden dollar..brain fertilizer. It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual lump about the size of a ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and getting bigger. Ken Could this have been a fatty tumor? I have several of those. Jeannie -- We lie the loudest when we lie to ourselves. Jeannie McReynolds Oregon Coast -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? I love it! Was that S.C. that you used on the tight muscle? I have never heard of that therapy. I used to grow them, but it quite a project. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 6:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Glad gow syndrome Alas, I didn't know about CS back when hunting the noble cubensis in the distant 70s. But I have used the fungi to heal lumps in muscles over night. It seemed to have a magical property of concentrating a prodigious heat wherever the concentration was held on a certain spot with a healing intent. It feels much like a mentally directed niacin flush. Makes the spot reddish and radiant with heat. Months old Ping pong ball sized lump deep in the arm muscle vanishes by morning... I have no idea what it was, just that it went away and never came back. If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? Ken At 11:31 AM 8/29/02 -0600, you wrote: Have you guys been blending the sol with cow-pie fungi? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:45 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... The DR Clark Kent super zapper! It could change anyone in a phone booth in a real hurry! ..and make one leap over tall buildings. No para sites on M! [I have real sites ] Ken At 05:37 AM 8/29/02 -0400, you wrote: - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:39 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... For the HV guys, replace the electrodes on a Stun gun with silver ones. Impress your friends. WOO,HOO!!! LOL! And if one has to use it as a self defense device... You could induce some shock burns, but sterilize the wounds with silver at the same time. How thoughtful and considerate. :) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden dollar..brain fertilizer. It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual lump about the size of a ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and getting bigger. Ken At 12:26 PM 8/30/02 -0600, you wrote: If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? I love it! Was that S.C. that you used on the tight muscle? I have never heard of that therapy. I used to grow them, but it quite a project. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 6:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Glad gow syndrome Alas, I didn't know about CS back when hunting the noble cubensis in the distant 70s. But I have used the fungi to heal lumps in muscles over night. It seemed to have a magical property of concentrating a prodigious heat wherever the concentration was held on a certain spot with a healing intent. It feels much like a mentally directed niacin flush. Makes the spot reddish and radiant with heat. Months old Ping pong ball sized lump deep in the arm muscle vanishes by morning... I have no idea what it was, just that it went away and never came back. If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? Ken At 11:31 AM 8/29/02 -0600, you wrote: Have you guys been blending the sol with cow-pie fungi? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:45 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... The DR Clark Kent super zapper! It could change anyone in a phone booth in a real hurry! ..and make one leap over tall buildings. No para sites on M! [I have real sites ] Ken At 05:37 AM 8/29/02 -0400, you wrote: - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:39 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... For the HV guys, replace the electrodes on a Stun gun with silver ones. Impress your friends. WOO,HOO!!! LOL! And if one has to use it as a self defense device... You could induce some shock burns, but sterilize the wounds with silver at the same time. How thoughtful and considerate. :) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
Oh, spooky. Maybe the shroom enlightened a neoplasm. I'm no expert, but I think it is Stropharia Cubensis that grows in the pies. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:06 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome Psylicybe [sp] Cubensis ..the cow plops golden dollar..brain fertilizer. It wasn't just a tight muscle, it was an actual lump about the size of a ping pong ball. Quite disturbingly large and getting bigger. Ken At 12:26 PM 8/30/02 -0600, you wrote: If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? I love it! Was that S.C. that you used on the tight muscle? I have never heard of that therapy. I used to grow them, but it quite a project. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 6:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Glad gow syndrome Alas, I didn't know about CS back when hunting the noble cubensis in the distant 70s. But I have used the fungi to heal lumps in muscles over night. It seemed to have a magical property of concentrating a prodigious heat wherever the concentration was held on a certain spot with a healing intent. It feels much like a mentally directed niacin flush. Makes the spot reddish and radiant with heat. Months old Ping pong ball sized lump deep in the arm muscle vanishes by morning... I have no idea what it was, just that it went away and never came back. If the cows eat them, do they get glad cow disease? Ken At 11:31 AM 8/29/02 -0600, you wrote: Have you guys been blending the sol with cow-pie fungi? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:45 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... The DR Clark Kent super zapper! It could change anyone in a phone booth in a real hurry! ..and make one leap over tall buildings. No para sites on M! [I have real sites ] Ken At 05:37 AM 8/29/02 -0400, you wrote: - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:39 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: buying cs instead of making it... For the HV guys, replace the electrodes on a Stun gun with silver ones. Impress your friends. WOO,HOO!!! LOL! And if one has to use it as a self defense device... You could induce some shock burns, but sterilize the wounds with silver at the same time. How thoughtful and considerate. :) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
