Re: Terry Pratchett, was Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-09 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
I totally agree, sol.  I just do not know how to word things  
sometimes, especially without causing offence.  dee


On 8 Aug 2009, at 23:31, sol wrote:


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
Ah, well I thought you were referring to Pratchett's one as I  
haven't read about the other one.  My interests only extending to  
entertaining nonsense rather than serious nonsense.  dee


I have always viewed Pratchett's works as entertaining serious  
nonsense. He skewers the human race on every page, every flaw, every  
piece of viciousness, every vice and predjudice, not to mention  
greed, etc, etc, etc as in the quote that Harold just posted.
One can learn how to conduct life with integrity by reading  
Pratchett, laughing all the while.

sol


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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-08 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick

I thought that was a turtle.  dee

On 7 Aug 2009, at 21:10, Indi wrote:


Wow, really?
I once read that the earth rests on the back of a giant tortoise.

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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-08 Thread Indi


Depends whether you're talking about Pratchett's work or the original 
references from the Rig Veda (a scipture of ancient India). The Rig 
Veda says tortoise, Pratchett made it a turtle.

-- 
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On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 12:38:46PM +0100, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
I thought that was a turtle.  dee
On 7 Aug 2009, at 21:10, Indi wrote:
 
  Wow, really?
  I once read that the earth rests on the back of a giant tortoise.
 
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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-08 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
Ah, well I thought you were referring to Pratchett's one as I haven't  
read about the other one.  My interests only extending to entertaining  
nonsense rather than serious nonsense.  dee


On 8 Aug 2009, at 18:00, Indi wrote:




Depends whether you're talking about Pratchett's work or the original
references from the Rig Veda (a scipture of ancient India). The Rig
Veda says tortoise, Pratchett made it a turtle.

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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-08 Thread Indi
Life is all about serious nonsense.
:)

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On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 06:12:53PM +0100, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
Ah, well I thought you were referring to Pratchett's one as I haven't read
about the other one.  My interests only extending to entertaining nonsense
rather than serious nonsense.  dee
On 8 Aug 2009, at 18:00, Indi wrote:
 
  Depends whether you're talking about Pratchett's work or the original
  references from the Rig Veda (a scipture of ancient India). The Rig
  Veda says tortoise, Pratchett made it a turtle.
 
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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-08 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick

Whatever.  dee

On 8 Aug 2009, at 18:33, Indi wrote:


Life is all about serious nonsense.
:)

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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-08 Thread sol

Yet.
sol

Indi wrote:

Here in the US we don't have forced flu vaccinations or martial law.
  



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Terry Pratchett, was Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-08 Thread sol

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
Ah, well I thought you were referring to Pratchett's one as I haven't 
read about the other one.  My interests only extending to entertaining 
nonsense rather than serious nonsense.  dee


I have always viewed Pratchett's works as entertaining serious nonsense. 
He skewers the human race on every page, every flaw, every piece of 
viciousness, every vice and predjudice, not to mention greed, etc, etc, 
etc as in the quote that Harold just posted.
One can learn how to conduct life with integrity by reading Pratchett, 
laughing all the while.

sol


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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-07 Thread Sandee George
Linda there is always a way around every challenge - we have to be  
creative as to how we choose to find the way.

You know this very well so I know I am merely singing to the choir !
Those who are blessed with open minds willout as they say !!!
Regards
Sandee


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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-07 Thread Sam L.
And what bubble would that be ,yours. maybe your are not quite up to date.
It is a threat, wont need forced vac with all the sheep in
this world.I for one wont get fleced to bad. Have other plans.
Bah bah

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Hanneke bloss...@internode.on.net wrote:

 Sorry to burst your bubble Indi  .. it appears you are not quite up to
 where things are leading in USA...
 this is a world wide threat.. not the flu but the forced vaccination part.

 At 01:41 PM 7/08/2009, you wrote:

 Here in the US we don't have forced flu vaccinations or martial law.
 I didn't realize things were so out of control in Australia, or for
 that matter that you live in Australia...


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  This is NOT a fear mongering email.  Just be realistic and learn what to
  do to avoid the forced flu vaccination.
 
  We all know what to do when we get the flu and there are enough
  suggestions for anti virals available, here and on other lists.
 
  Dealing with martial law and forced vaccinations is a different matter.
 
 
 


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CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-07 Thread Linda Ellis

The statement at this website looks a lot like what some U.S. parents are doing 
already to try to prevent the mandatory vaccines they are told their children 
must have to enter school.  I think it depends on the tenacity of the parent, 
whether they are successful or not.
 Linda
Don’t bother just to be better than your contemporaries or predecessors. Try 
to be better than yourself. William Faulkner 



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Subject: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

http://www.thecrowhouse.com/janeburg.html#Avoid

This is NOT a fear mongering email.  Just be realistic and learn what to do to 
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We all know what to do when we get the flu and there are enough suggestions for 
anti virals available, here and on other lists.

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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-07 Thread Clayton Family
Well, not exactly forced at the point of a sword, but here in Minnesota 
the congress has decided that kids have to have a certain number of 
vacs to be allowed in school. They tell everyone it is the law. The 
reason for it is: the schools want the kids vaxed so they don't miss 
any school since they are paid by attendance; once upon a time there 
was a breakout of measles at the high school level that was traced to a 
bad batch of vax (bad meaning it was not effective) so now the have 
mandated all kids must have a second round of mmr at age 12 (stupid 
reasoning) so they don't miss school; and the medical board (controlled 
by the AMA) pushes the AMA agenda on the state. I know several doctors 
that do not agree with the reasoning- the MMR lasts lifelong, etc. The 
actual Science and facts take a backseat as usual.


To opt out you just need to fill out a form that says you object to it, 
and sign it in front of a notary, then turn it in.


I found all this out because my son had a severe reaction to the 
pertussis vaccine, which is pretty common, and he could not have it 
again. I don't know if many other states have passed such laws or not, 
but here in MN they are fond of passing laws to protect the children, 
even though they have parents to do the job.


I also do not agree with the lines of thought expressed by the link- no 
one in their right mind would sign such a document no matter what their 
belief. The document is non sensical and illogical.


Kathryn

On Aug 6, 2009, at 11:11 PM, Indi wrote:


Here in the US we don't have forced flu vaccinations or martial law.
I didn't realize things were so out of control in Australia, or for
that matter that you live in Australia...


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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-07 Thread Indi

Hi Kathryn,

On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:31:48AM -0500, Clayton Family wrote:

 To opt out you just need to fill out a form that says you object to it,  
 and sign it in front of a notary, then turn it in.


Yes, though some states do try to push vax via public schools, there
is usually an opt-out clause. And of course, there is no law that
requires children to attend *public* schools.


 I also do not agree with the lines of thought expressed by the link- no  
 one in their right mind would sign such a document no matter what their  
 belief. The document is non sensical and illogical.


I agree, it reads like a bad joke.
But a surprising number of people display little capacity for critical
thinking and are easily swayed by such paranoid talk. 

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Subject: Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-07 Thread Joseph Metz
Have read that Polio was declining before the vaccine  that Jonas  
Salk refused to have his children vaccinated.




Well, not exactly forced at the point of a sword, but here in  
Minnesota the congress has decided that kids have to have a certain  
number of vacs to be allowed in school. They tell everyone it is  
the law. The reason for it is: the schools want the kids vaxed so  
they don't miss any school since they are paid by attendance; once  
upon a time there was a breakout of measles at the high school  
level that was traced to a bad batch of vax (bad meaning it was not  
effective) so now the have mandated all kids must have a second  
round of mmr at age 12 (stupid reasoning) so they don't miss  
school; and the medical board (controlled by the AMA) pushes the  
AMA agenda on the state. I know several doctors that do not agree  
with the reasoning- the MMR lasts lifelong, etc. The actual Science  
and facts take a backseat as usual.


To opt out you just need to fill out a form that says you object to  
it, and sign it in front of a notary, then turn it in.


I found all this out because my son had a severe reaction to the  
pertussis vaccine, which is pretty common, and he could not have it  
again. I don't know if many other states have passed such laws or  
not, but here in MN they are fond of passing laws to protect the  
children, even though they have parents to do the job.


I also do not agree with the lines of thought expressed by the  
link- no one in their right mind would sign such a document no  
matter what their belief. The document is non sensical and illogical.


Kathryn

On Aug 6, 2009, at 11:11 PM, Indi wrote:



Here in the US we don't have forced flu vaccinations or martial law.
I didn't realize things were so out of control in Australia, or for
that matter that you live in Australia...


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Re: Subject: Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-07 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
polio was a man made disease, which came from a vaccine for something  
else, so I read somewhere.  dee


On 7 Aug 2009, at 18:47, Joseph Metz wrote:

Have read that Polio was declining before the vaccine  that Jonas  
Salk refused to have his children vaccinated.








Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-07 Thread jr orrilia
From what I have read, if WHO decides for all countries that vaccinations are 
mandatory, if you say no, you will have to take it at gunpoint or be put in 
quarantine. 





From: Sam L. one...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 6:40:22 AM
Subject: Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination


And what bubble would that be ,yours. maybe your are not quite up to date. It 
is a threat, wont need forced vac with all the sheep in
this world.I for one wont get fleced to bad. Have other plans.

Bah bah

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Hanneke bloss...@internode.on.net wrote:

Sorry to burst your bubble Indi  .. it appears you are not quite up to where 
things are leading in USA...
this is a world wide threat.. not the flu but the forced vaccination part.

At 01:41 PM 7/08/2009, you wrote:

Here in the US we don't have forced flu vaccinations or martial law.
I didn't realize things were so out of control in Australia, or for
that matter that you live in Australia...


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On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 01:22:13PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:
 http://www.thecrowhouse.com/janeburg.html#Avoid

 This is NOT a fear mongering email.  Just be realistic and learn what to
 do to avoid the forced flu vaccination.

 We all know what to do when we get the flu and there are enough
 suggestions for anti virals available, here and on other lists.

 Dealing with martial law and forced vaccinations is a different matter.





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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-07 Thread Indi
Wow, really?
I once read that the earth rests on the back of a giant tortoise.

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On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 12:05:47PM -0700, jr orrilia wrote:
From what I have read, if WHO decides for all countries that vaccinations
are mandatory, if you say no, you will have to take it at gunpoint or be
put in quarantine.
 
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 6:40:22 AM
Subject: Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination
And what bubble would that be ,yours. maybe your are not quite up to date.
It is a threat, wont need forced vac with all the sheep in
this world.I for one wont get fleced to bad. Have other plans.
Bah bah
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  Sorry to burst your bubble Indi  .. it appears you are not quite up to
  where things are leading in USA...
  this is a world wide threat.. not the flu but the forced vaccination
  part.
 
  At 01:41 PM 7/08/2009, you wrote:
 
Here in the US we don't have forced flu vaccinations or martial law.
I didn't realize things were so out of control in Australia, or for
that matter that you live in Australia...
 
--
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On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 01:22:13PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:
 [2]http://www.thecrowhouse.com/janeburg.html#Avoid

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what to
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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-07 Thread slickpicker
It's not a belief system.  Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom, and 
always has been.  It's dangerous to view any government (especially one that's 
clearly expressed a hunger for pervasive control) with anything but unrelenting 
skepticism.  Since most of the media has abandoned their responsibility to do 
so, it's solely up to us.


 Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com wrote: 

=
Well, I guess I just don't share your belief system.
But that site you linked is an Aussie one.

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On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 02:13:36PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:
 Sorry to burst your bubble Indi  .. it appears you are not quite up to 
 where things are leading in USA...
 this is a world wide threat.. not the flu but the forced vaccination part.

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 Here in the US we don't have forced flu vaccinations or martial law.
 I didn't realize things were so out of control in Australia, or for
 that matter that you live in Australia...


 --
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 On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 01:22:13PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:
  http://www.thecrowhouse.com/janeburg.html#Avoid
 
  This is NOT a fear mongering email.  Just be realistic and learn what to
  do to avoid the forced flu vaccination.
 
  We all know what to do when we get the flu and there are enough
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  Dealing with martial law and forced vaccinations is a different matter.
 
 
 


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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-07 Thread slickpicker
Yes, though some states do try to push vax via public schools, there
is usually an opt-out clause. And of course, there is no law that
requires children to attend *public* schools.

No, but their are plenty of restrictions put in place by the government (and 
supported by teacher's unions) that severely restrict other options.  The 
voucher program for inner-city kids in DC?  Worked great, killed by the current 
administration (temporarily extended after outcry by the parents of students 
currently in the program).  The concept is targeted at every turn, with 
precisely the goal of eliminating that option for most and forcing customers 
into the public school system.  Trust the government at your peril.
 
 Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com wrote: 

=

Hi Kathryn,

On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:31:48AM -0500, Clayton Family wrote:

 To opt out you just need to fill out a form that says you object to it,  
 and sign it in front of a notary, then turn it in.


Yes, though some states do try to push vax via public schools, there
is usually an opt-out clause. And of course, there is no law that
requires children to attend *public* schools.


 I also do not agree with the lines of thought expressed by the link- no  
 one in their right mind would sign such a document no matter what their  
 belief. The document is non sensical and illogical.


I agree, it reads like a bad joke.
But a surprising number of people display little capacity for critical
thinking and are easily swayed by such paranoid talk. 

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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-07 Thread Karen and Jerry Conrad
Sooner or later everyone must take a stand, perhaps now is when we must 
decide, (And fear not them which kill the body;but are not able to kill the 
soul ;but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in 
hell Matthew 10:28)  Blessings Karen Conrad




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Subject: Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination


It's not a belief system.  Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom, and 
always has been.  It's dangerous to view any government (especially one 
that's clearly expressed a hunger for pervasive control) with anything but 
unrelenting skepticism.  Since most of the media has abandoned their 
responsibility to do so, it's solely up to us.



 Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com wrote:

=
Well, I guess I just don't share your belief system.
But that site you linked is an Aussie one.

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On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 02:13:36PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:

Sorry to burst your bubble Indi  .. it appears you are not quite up to
where things are leading in USA...
this is a world wide threat.. not the flu but the forced vaccination 
part.


At 01:41 PM 7/08/2009, you wrote:

Here in the US we don't have forced flu vaccinations or martial law.
I didn't realize things were so out of control in Australia, or for
that matter that you live in Australia...


--
indi


On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 01:22:13PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:
 http://www.thecrowhouse.com/janeburg.html#Avoid

 This is NOT a fear mongering email.  Just be realistic and learn what 
 to

 do to avoid the forced flu vaccination.

 We all know what to do when we get the flu and there are enough
 suggestions for anti virals available, here and on other lists.

 Dealing with martial law and forced vaccinations is a different 
 matter.






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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-07 Thread slickpicker
Countless millions have died for having that mindset.


 Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com wrote: 

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Well, if they show up with restrants and hypodermic needles you can
say I told you so. But I wouldn't hold my breath. 

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On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 02:57:24PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:
 No Indi... that's the reasons attached to the first series of videos I 
 provided a while back...
 people completely missed the point of the message in that video.
 The flu is with us, everywhere, and we all know it is no worse than any 
 other year  (if not milder)..

 The response was that we needed to look at what to do when we get the  
 flu.  I think that's pretty much been addressed.  What wasn't addressed 
 is the issue brought up in the  videos for all people , worldwide; to 
 stand up against this vaccination which by all accounts is useless to 
 fight the flu but dangerous enough to cause many more health problems.

 Your response is a typical Indi response, sorry to say,  and by all  
 means, respond to this once again if you have trouble letting this go  
 without having the last word.

 For everyone else:  forced flu vaccinations is a real plan.

 At 02:46 PM 7/08/2009, you wrote:

 Oh sorry -- it's late, and I guess my eyes saw Australia rather than
 Austria. Gonna have to stand by my POV though. And you know, the first
 thing you said was This is NOT a fear-mongering email. Guess what? That's
 a classic giveaway. It means you know it *is* a fear-mongering email.
 Psych 101...

 --
 indi


 On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 02:18:00PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:
  btw... this lady Jane Burgermeister is from Austria,  about 16000 miles
  from Australia.
 
  At 02:13 PM 7/08/2009, you wrote:
  Sorry to burst your bubble Indi  .. it appears you are not quite up to
  where things are leading in USA...
  this is a world wide threat.. not the flu but the forced vaccination part.
 
  At 01:41 PM 7/08/2009, you wrote:
  Here in the US we don't have forced flu vaccinations or martial law.
  I didn't realize things were so out of control in Australia, or for
  that matter that you live in Australia...
 
 
  --
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  On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 01:22:13PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:
   http://www.thecrowhouse.com/janeburg.html#Avoid
  
   This is NOT a fear mongering email.  Just be realistic and learn 
 what to
   do to avoid the forced flu vaccination.
  
   We all know what to do when we get the flu and there are enough
   suggestions for anti virals available, here and on other lists.
  
   Dealing with martial law and forced vaccinations is a different matter.
  
  
  
 
 
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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-07 Thread Kirsteen Wright
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wow, really?
 I once read that the earth rests on the back of a giant tortoise.

 No, no, no, no, no, Indi - it rests on the back of 4 giant elephants
standing on the giant tortoise A'Tuan. :-)

cheers
Kirsteen (the original Pratchett fan)


Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-07 Thread Indi
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:38:46PM +0100, Kirsteen Wright wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Indi [1]indi.sha...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Wow, really?
  I once read that the earth rests on the back of a giant tortoise.
 
No, no, no, no, no, Indi - it rests on the back of 4 giant elephants
standing on the giant tortoise A'Tuan. :-)
 
cheers
Kirsteen (the original Pratchett fan)
 

LOL that's right, thanks for the correction!

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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-07 Thread Indi


Much as I'd love to debate that with you, this really isn't the venue.

Best Regards,
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On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 04:25:40PM -0400, slickpic...@cox.net wrote:
 Yes, though some states do try to push vax via public schools, there
 is usually an opt-out clause. And of course, there is no law that
 requires children to attend *public* schools.
 
 No, but their are plenty of restrictions put in place by the government (and 
 supported by teacher's unions) that severely restrict other options.  The 
 voucher program for inner-city kids in DC?  Worked great, killed by the 
 current administration (temporarily extended after outcry by the parents of 
 students currently in the program).  The concept is targeted at every turn, 
 with precisely the goal of eliminating that option for most and forcing 
 customers into the public school system.  Trust the government at your 
 peril.
  
  Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com wrote: 
 
 =
 
 Hi Kathryn,
 
 On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:31:48AM -0500, Clayton Family wrote:
 
  To opt out you just need to fill out a form that says you object to it,  
  and sign it in front of a notary, then turn it in.
 
 
 Yes, though some states do try to push vax via public schools, there
 is usually an opt-out clause. And of course, there is no law that
 requires children to attend *public* schools.
 
 
  I also do not agree with the lines of thought expressed by the link- no  
  one in their right mind would sign such a document no matter what their  
  belief. The document is non sensical and illogical.
 
 
 I agree, it reads like a bad joke.
 But a surprising number of people display little capacity for critical
 thinking and are easily swayed by such paranoid talk. 
 
 -- 
 indi
 Fear of govt regulation plays right into the hands of big corporate 
 interests -- and regulation is the only thing that keeps them from 
 owning us outright.
 
 
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Re: Subject: Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-07 Thread Marshall Dudley
It was a result of the smallpox inoculations.  I don't think it was man 
made, but rather a virus that was easily put down by anyone's healthy 
immune system, but the smallpox vaccine devastated the immune system so 
much that it was able to take over.  Also some of the vaccines MAY have 
been contaminated with it, but I am not sure there is any proof of that.


Marshall

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
polio was a man made disease, which came from a vaccine for something 
else, so I read somewhere.  dee


On 7 Aug 2009, at 18:47, Joseph Metz wrote:

Have read that Polio was declining before the vaccine  that Jonas 
Salk refused to have his children vaccinated.







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RE: Subject: Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-07 Thread Dianne France

My dad got polio from the vaccine.
 


From: d...@deetroy.org
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination 
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:49:36 +0100

polio was a man made disease, which came from a vaccine for something else, so 
I read somewhere.  dee



On 7 Aug 2009, at 18:47, Joseph Metz wrote:

Have read that Polio was declining before the vaccine  that Jonas Salk refused 
to have his children vaccinated.





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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-07 Thread Kathy





 From: W.G.E.N.

 Thanks to WGEN reader, Deborah, for the following:


 Hi Jackie,

 Notice at the linked website there are words about obeying the 
government. The informed U.S. citizens do not want to accept the genocidal 
swine flu vaccinations. So many U.S. citizens are uninformed that the swine 
flu vaccine has the live virus as well as deadly toxins like squalene. Some 
may think that the swine flu vaccine is safe and thus obey government orders 
to accept that vaccine.


 Some may think that any government order for forced vaccines is just a 
test to see if the U.S. citizens are against government caused genocide-mass 
murders. However, numerous countries government officials have made orders 
for genocide-mass murders of their citizens using various methods.


 Already there is genocide-mass murders going in the U.S. through 
various methods. Even though, as you know, there are natural remedies for 
cancer, the main stream medical system gives cancer patients chemo therapy 
and radiation, which causes very many of the cancer patients to die. 
Intentionally giving wrong medical treatments causing pateints to die is 
genocide-mass murders.


 With their being about 23,000 acknowledged murders in the U.S. each 
year, and the state and local elected officials never having become serious 
to really tackle the acknowledged murders, that is genocide-mass murders 
too.


 With their being from 2 to 4 million abortions (counting those caused 
by the I.U.D.s and morning after pills) each year in the U.S. that is 
genocide-mass murders too. The government officials have never become 
serious about addressing the root causes of many abortions such as 
preventing rapes and as to consensual relations between men and women in 
which males desert the females due to the pregancy. The government officials 
must have been afraid to offend the rapists and other unworthy males. Some 
government officials are rapists too.Thus, many government officials went 
along with the pol icy of massive abortions.


 I hope that the county sheriffs will be informed about the genocidal 
effects of the swine flu vaccine and decide to be against those vaccines for 
the public. I hope that the county sheriffs will protect the public against 
all enemies whether foreign or domestic.


 Deborah
 
 From: National Steam Forum
 Nomo Lyin
 How They're Preparing For Swine Flu
 Thu Aug 6, 2009 7:28pm

 Here's a brochure for a conference in DC later this month where they 
will teach people how to deal with a Swine Flu pandemic - and what 
scenarios they expect. Looks like they're planning to make a bundle from 
conference fees while they're at it. Maybe some of us should attend? As you 
can see in the right column, high casualties are anticipated.


 http://www.new-fields.com/ISFC/brochure.pdf

- Original Message - 
From: slickpic...@cox.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination



Yes, though some states do try to push vax via public schools, there
is usually an opt-out clause. And of course, there is no law that
requires children to attend *public* schools.

No, but their are plenty of restrictions put in place by the government 
(and supported by teacher's unions) that severely restrict other options. 
The voucher program for inner-city kids in DC?  Worked great, killed by 
the current administration (temporarily extended after outcry by the 
parents of students currently in the program).  The concept is targeted at 
every turn, with precisely the goal of eliminating that option for most 
and forcing customers into the public school system.  Trust the 
government at your peril.


 Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com wrote:

=

Hi Kathryn,

On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:31:48AM -0500, Clayton Family wrote:


To opt out you just need to fill out a form that says you object to it,
and sign it in front of a notary, then turn it in.



Yes, though some states do try to push vax via public schools, there
is usually an opt-out clause. And of course, there is no law that
requires children to attend *public* schools.



I also do not agree with the lines of thought expressed by the link- no
one in their right mind would sign such a document no matter what their
belief. The document is non sensical and illogical.



I agree, it reads like a bad joke.
But a surprising number of people display little capacity for critical
thinking and are easily swayed by such paranoid talk.

--
indi
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interests -- and regulation is the only thing that keeps them from
owning us outright.


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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-07 Thread Indi

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

-- 
indi
 
 The voices in my head don't bother me a bit; it's the voices in 
 *your* head that really scare me.
 
 

On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 06:34:16PM -0400, Kathy wrote:




  From: W.G.E.N.

  Thanks to WGEN reader, Deborah, for the following:


  Hi Jackie,

  Notice at the linked website there are words about obeying the  
 government. The informed U.S. citizens do not want to accept the 
 genocidal swine flu vaccinations. So many U.S. citizens are uninformed 
 that the swine flu vaccine has the live virus as well as deadly toxins 
 like squalene. Some may think that the swine flu vaccine is safe and thus 
 obey government orders to accept that vaccine.

  Some may think that any government order for forced vaccines is just 
 a test to see if the U.S. citizens are against government caused 
 genocide-mass murders. However, numerous countries government officials 
 have made orders for genocide-mass murders of their citizens using 
 various methods.

  Already there is genocide-mass murders going in the U.S. through  
 various methods. Even though, as you know, there are natural remedies for 
 cancer, the main stream medical system gives cancer patients chemo 
 therapy and radiation, which causes very many of the cancer patients to 
 die. Intentionally giving wrong medical treatments causing pateints to 
 die is genocide-mass murders.

  With their being about 23,000 acknowledged murders in the U.S. each  
 year, and the state and local elected officials never having become 
 serious to really tackle the acknowledged murders, that is genocide-mass 
 murders too.

  With their being from 2 to 4 million abortions (counting those 
 caused by the I.U.D.s and morning after pills) each year in the U.S. that 
 is genocide-mass murders too. The government officials have never become  
 serious about addressing the root causes of many abortions such as  
 preventing rapes and as to consensual relations between men and women in  
 which males desert the females due to the pregancy. The government 
 officials must have been afraid to offend the rapists and other unworthy 
 males. Some government officials are rapists too.Thus, many government 
 officials went along with the pol icy of massive abortions.

  I hope that the county sheriffs will be informed about the genocidal 
 effects of the swine flu vaccine and decide to be against those vaccines 
 for the public. I hope that the county sheriffs will protect the public 
 against all enemies whether foreign or domestic.

  Deborah
  
  From: National Steam Forum
  Nomo Lyin
  How They're Preparing For Swine Flu
  Thu Aug 6, 2009 7:28pm

  Here's a brochure for a conference in DC later this month where they 
 will teach people how to deal with a Swine Flu pandemic - and what  
 scenarios they expect. Looks like they're planning to make a bundle from  
 conference fees while they're at it. Maybe some of us should attend? As 
 you can see in the right column, high casualties are anticipated.

  http://www.new-fields.com/ISFC/brochure.pdf

 - Original Message - From: slickpic...@cox.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Cc: Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com
 Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:25 PM
 Subject: Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination


 Yes, though some states do try to push vax via public schools, there
 is usually an opt-out clause. And of course, there is no law that
 requires children to attend *public* schools.

 No, but their are plenty of restrictions put in place by the government 
 (and supported by teacher's unions) that severely restrict other 
 options. The voucher program for inner-city kids in DC?  Worked great, 
 killed by the current administration (temporarily extended after outcry 
 by the parents of students currently in the program).  The concept is 
 targeted at every turn, with precisely the goal of eliminating that 
 option for most and forcing customers into the public school system.  
 Trust the government at your peril.

  Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com wrote:

 =

 Hi Kathryn,

 On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:31:48AM -0500, Clayton Family wrote:

 To opt out you just need to fill out a form that says you object to it,
 and sign it in front of a notary, then turn it in.


 Yes, though some states do try to push vax via public schools, there
 is usually an opt-out clause. And of course, there is no law that
 requires children to attend *public* schools.


 I also do not agree with the lines of thought expressed by the link- no
 one in their right mind would sign such a document no matter what their
 belief. The document is non sensical and illogical.


 I agree, it reads like a bad joke.
 But a surprising number of people display little capacity for critical
 thinking and are easily swayed by such paranoid talk.

 -- 
 indi
 Fear of govt regulation plays right into the hands of big corporate
 interests

CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-06 Thread Hanneke

http://www.thecrowhouse.com/janeburg.html#Avoid

This is NOT a fear mongering email.  Just be realistic and learn what 
to do to avoid the forced flu vaccination.


We all know what to do when we get the flu and there are enough 
suggestions for anti virals available, here and on other lists.


Dealing with martial law and forced vaccinations is a different matter.



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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-06 Thread Indi
Here in the US we don't have forced flu vaccinations or martial law.
I didn't realize things were so out of control in Australia, or for
that matter that you live in Australia...


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On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 01:22:13PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:
 http://www.thecrowhouse.com/janeburg.html#Avoid

 This is NOT a fear mongering email.  Just be realistic and learn what to 
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 We all know what to do when we get the flu and there are enough  
 suggestions for anti virals available, here and on other lists.

 Dealing with martial law and forced vaccinations is a different matter.





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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-06 Thread Hanneke
Sorry to burst your bubble Indi  .. it appears you are not quite up 
to where things are leading in USA...

this is a world wide threat.. not the flu but the forced vaccination part.

At 01:41 PM 7/08/2009, you wrote:

Here in the US we don't have forced flu vaccinations or martial law.
I didn't realize things were so out of control in Australia, or for
that matter that you live in Australia...


--
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On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 01:22:13PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:
 http://www.thecrowhouse.com/janeburg.html#Avoid

 This is NOT a fear mongering email.  Just be realistic and learn what to
 do to avoid the forced flu vaccination.

 We all know what to do when we get the flu and there are enough
 suggestions for anti virals available, here and on other lists.

 Dealing with martial law and forced vaccinations is a different matter.





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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-06 Thread Hanneke
btw... this lady Jane Burgermeister is from Austria,  about 16000 
miles from Australia.


At 02:13 PM 7/08/2009, you wrote:
Sorry to burst your bubble Indi  .. it appears you are not quite up 
to where things are leading in USA...

this is a world wide threat.. not the flu but the forced vaccination part.

At 01:41 PM 7/08/2009, you wrote:

Here in the US we don't have forced flu vaccinations or martial law.
I didn't realize things were so out of control in Australia, or for
that matter that you live in Australia...


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On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 01:22:13PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:
 http://www.thecrowhouse.com/janeburg.html#Avoid

 This is NOT a fear mongering email.  Just be realistic and learn what to
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 We all know what to do when we get the flu and there are enough
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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-06 Thread Indi
Well, I guess I just don't share your belief system.
But that site you linked is an Aussie one.

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On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 02:13:36PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:
 Sorry to burst your bubble Indi  .. it appears you are not quite up to 
 where things are leading in USA...
 this is a world wide threat.. not the flu but the forced vaccination part.

 At 01:41 PM 7/08/2009, you wrote:
 Here in the US we don't have forced flu vaccinations or martial law.
 I didn't realize things were so out of control in Australia, or for
 that matter that you live in Australia...


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 On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 01:22:13PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:
  http://www.thecrowhouse.com/janeburg.html#Avoid
 
  This is NOT a fear mongering email.  Just be realistic and learn what to
  do to avoid the forced flu vaccination.
 
  We all know what to do when we get the flu and there are enough
  suggestions for anti virals available, here and on other lists.
 
  Dealing with martial law and forced vaccinations is a different matter.
 
 
 


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CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-06 Thread Jean Baugh
How funny!  Thanks for making my day.

Jean

**

On 8/6/09 11:48 PM, Hanneke bloss...@internode.on.net wrote:

 btw... this lady Jane Burgermeister is from Austria,  about 16000
 miles from Australia.
 
 At 02:13 PM 7/08/2009, you wrote:
 Sorry to burst your bubble Indi  .. it appears you are not quite up
 to where things are leading in USA...
 this is a world wide threat.. not the flu but the forced vaccination part.
 
 At 01:41 PM 7/08/2009, you wrote:
 Here in the US we don't have forced flu vaccinations or martial law.
 I didn't realize things were so out of control in Australia, or for
 that matter that you live in Australia...
 
 
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 On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 01:22:13PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:
 http://www.thecrowhouse.com/janeburg.html#Avoid


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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-06 Thread Hanneke

That's ok Indi, not asking from anyone to share my beliefs...
Just hope that the message as such is kept in back of mind  for when 
it might be needed in a world preparing for mass vaccination, whether 
we want it or not.  Luckily, people in countries across the world are 
helping to prepare the people for what is to come in September/October.


At 02:33 PM 7/08/2009, you wrote:

Well, I guess I just don't share your belief system.
But that site you linked is an Aussie one.

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On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 02:13:36PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:
 Sorry to burst your bubble Indi  .. it appears you are not quite up to
 where things are leading in USA...
 this is a world wide threat.. not the flu but the forced vaccination part.

 At 01:41 PM 7/08/2009, you wrote:
 Here in the US we don't have forced flu vaccinations or martial law.
 I didn't realize things were so out of control in Australia, or for
 that matter that you live in Australia...


 --
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 On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 01:22:13PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:
  http://www.thecrowhouse.com/janeburg.html#Avoid
 
  This is NOT a fear mongering email.  Just be realistic and learn what to
  do to avoid the forced flu vaccination.
 
  We all know what to do when we get the flu and there are enough
  suggestions for anti virals available, here and on other lists.
 
  Dealing with martial law and forced vaccinations is a different matter.
 
 
 


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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-06 Thread Indi

Oh sorry -- it's late, and I guess my eyes saw Australia rather than
Austria. Gonna have to stand by my POV though. And you know, the first 
thing you said was This is NOT a fear-mongering email. Guess what? That's 
a classic giveaway. It means you know it *is* a fear-mongering email.
Psych 101...

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On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 02:18:00PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:
 btw... this lady Jane Burgermeister is from Austria,  about 16000 miles 
 from Australia.

 At 02:13 PM 7/08/2009, you wrote:
 Sorry to burst your bubble Indi  .. it appears you are not quite up to 
 where things are leading in USA...
 this is a world wide threat.. not the flu but the forced vaccination part.

 At 01:41 PM 7/08/2009, you wrote:
 Here in the US we don't have forced flu vaccinations or martial law.
 I didn't realize things were so out of control in Australia, or for
 that matter that you live in Australia...


 --
 indi


 On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 01:22:13PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:
  http://www.thecrowhouse.com/janeburg.html#Avoid
 
  This is NOT a fear mongering email.  Just be realistic and learn what to
  do to avoid the forced flu vaccination.
 
  We all know what to do when we get the flu and there are enough
  suggestions for anti virals available, here and on other lists.
 
  Dealing with martial law and forced vaccinations is a different matter.
 
 
 


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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-06 Thread Hanneke
No Indi... that's the reasons attached to the first series of videos 
I provided a while back...

people completely missed the point of the message in that video.
The flu is with us, everywhere, and we all know it is no worse than 
any other year  (if not milder)..


The response was that we needed to look at what to do when we get the 
flu.  I think that's pretty much been addressed.  What wasn't 
addressed is the issue brought up in the  videos for all people , 
worldwide; to stand up against this vaccination which by all accounts 
is useless to fight the flu but dangerous enough to cause many more 
health problems.


Your response is a typical Indi response, sorry to say,  and by all 
means, respond to this once again if you have trouble letting this go 
without having the last word.


For everyone else:  forced flu vaccinations is a real plan.

At 02:46 PM 7/08/2009, you wrote:


Oh sorry -- it's late, and I guess my eyes saw Australia rather than
Austria. Gonna have to stand by my POV though. And you know, the first
thing you said was This is NOT a fear-mongering email. Guess what? That's
a classic giveaway. It means you know it *is* a fear-mongering email.
Psych 101...

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On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 02:18:00PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:
 btw... this lady Jane Burgermeister is from Austria,  about 16000 miles
 from Australia.

 At 02:13 PM 7/08/2009, you wrote:
 Sorry to burst your bubble Indi  .. it appears you are not quite up to
 where things are leading in USA...
 this is a world wide threat.. not the flu but the forced vaccination part.

 At 01:41 PM 7/08/2009, you wrote:
 Here in the US we don't have forced flu vaccinations or martial law.
 I didn't realize things were so out of control in Australia, or for
 that matter that you live in Australia...


 --
 indi


 On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 01:22:13PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:
  http://www.thecrowhouse.com/janeburg.html#Avoid
 
  This is NOT a fear mongering email.  Just be realistic and 
learn what to

  do to avoid the forced flu vaccination.
 
  We all know what to do when we get the flu and there are enough
  suggestions for anti virals available, here and on other lists.
 
  Dealing with martial law and forced vaccinations is a different matter.
 
 
 


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Re: CSSteps to take to avoid forced flu vaccination

2009-08-06 Thread Indi

Well, if they show up with restrants and hypodermic needles you can
say I told you so. But I wouldn't hold my breath. 

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On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 02:57:24PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:
 No Indi... that's the reasons attached to the first series of videos I 
 provided a while back...
 people completely missed the point of the message in that video.
 The flu is with us, everywhere, and we all know it is no worse than any 
 other year  (if not milder)..

 The response was that we needed to look at what to do when we get the  
 flu.  I think that's pretty much been addressed.  What wasn't addressed 
 is the issue brought up in the  videos for all people , worldwide; to 
 stand up against this vaccination which by all accounts is useless to 
 fight the flu but dangerous enough to cause many more health problems.

 Your response is a typical Indi response, sorry to say,  and by all  
 means, respond to this once again if you have trouble letting this go  
 without having the last word.

 For everyone else:  forced flu vaccinations is a real plan.

 At 02:46 PM 7/08/2009, you wrote:

 Oh sorry -- it's late, and I guess my eyes saw Australia rather than
 Austria. Gonna have to stand by my POV though. And you know, the first
 thing you said was This is NOT a fear-mongering email. Guess what? That's
 a classic giveaway. It means you know it *is* a fear-mongering email.
 Psych 101...

 --
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 On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 02:18:00PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:
  btw... this lady Jane Burgermeister is from Austria,  about 16000 miles
  from Australia.
 
  At 02:13 PM 7/08/2009, you wrote:
  Sorry to burst your bubble Indi  .. it appears you are not quite up to
  where things are leading in USA...
  this is a world wide threat.. not the flu but the forced vaccination part.
 
  At 01:41 PM 7/08/2009, you wrote:
  Here in the US we don't have forced flu vaccinations or martial law.
  I didn't realize things were so out of control in Australia, or for
  that matter that you live in Australia...
 
 
  --
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  On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 01:22:13PM +0930, Hanneke wrote:
   http://www.thecrowhouse.com/janeburg.html#Avoid
  
   This is NOT a fear mongering email.  Just be realistic and learn 
 what to
   do to avoid the forced flu vaccination.
  
   We all know what to do when we get the flu and there are enough
   suggestions for anti virals available, here and on other lists.
  
   Dealing with martial law and forced vaccinations is a different matter.
  
  
  
 
 
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