Re: CSWorking with your doctor - a few remarks
From Ruth Strackbein From: Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSWorking with your doctor - a few remarks Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:40:47 +0100 On 4/21/07, ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com wrote: I do not think that all medical doctors are just out to line their pockeds. My own primary physician carries a work load that would wear me out. And he listens when I speak of various alternatives, does not automatically turn me off, but will do some research on what I am suggesting and give me the other side of the picture. I find this to be helpful. Hi Ruth I totally agree with you. My G.P. has been wonderful. I have M.E. and he listens carefully to what I say, knows I don't like medication so will suggest sometimes but never push, is totally open to alternative therapies, points out they don't help everyone, but neither do drugs so to go with what I feel is right, has referred me to the Homeopathic Hospital, so I can get treatment on the N.H.S. and says if I find anything on the internet I want him to read, to print it out and take it in to him. I reckon I'm really lucky to have him. Cheers Kirsteen Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done Hi, Kirsten, It is a great comfort to have and MD who is willing to work with you on whatever might help. Ruth _ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSWorking with your doctor
You are right Terry. BTW I envy the youngsters you work with. Believe me, they will remember you all their life. Good work Terry. Will you please share some of your successes with fighting disease or direct us if we can read about them on the internet. Simeon - SCENA - Единственото БЕЗПЛАТНО списание за мобилни комуникации и технологии. http://www.bgscena.com/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSWorking with your doctor - a few remarks
Terry Chamberlin wrote:
If you do not know a doctor who is interested in alternative approaches to
health and you go see a regular, close-minded doctor, he will not help
you, he will only hinder you. He will, in fact, threaten your life.
When folks come to me with serious health issues, and they want to also
follow their doctors program, I will either work with them in a minimal way
(add some supplements, eat this, avoid this), or I will not work with them
at all.
These nightmare-like posts are accumulating, and they give me the chills. I
cannot understand that there are doctors out-there jeopardizing our health
for the god-forgotten sake of money.
The final part of this awakening post gives some relief:
The kids (high school) in this group do not know what to make of me {there
you go}. I am balding, gray, wrinkled and wear a dental bridge that does
not always stay in place, but I have been places and done things they have
only heard about {those things done and places been to are what they
need to hear about}. My energy equals their own and my zest for life,
love, joy and adventure perplexes them (sounds familiar; I have often
challenged pupils/students 20 to 30 years younger}. They have started
bringing their friends to be exposed to what is happening {and THAT is
what we Marsians, extra-terrestrials with our message are after}.
It is part of our crusade too (in South-America) to awaken the poor sheep
who still believe (even after having experienced repetitive devastating
effects of doctors advices) that we should TEACH people to wake up and to
think for themselves and then decide what to do with, or for their body.
The life-long brainwash that doc knows best doc does best is in this our
greatest enemy; who am I to know better, he is the one has studied 7 to 12
years. Our greatest challenge is to teach clients and patients that
# 1 they have the RIGHT to decide for themselves
# 2 their own intuition is a very good guide
# 3 no one has any right at all to meddle in somebody elses free will.
FaithStFrancis,
Colombia
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RE: CSWorking with your doctor - a few remarks
Hi, Faith, The trouble is that there are also people out there in the
alternative medicine camp who are also interested in increasing their money
intake for their products which aren't necessarily good for us either.
Especially this is true because each one of us is fundamentally different,
even though we are alike outwardly. Certainly, it is up to us to educate
ourselves and be wary, but my own intuition isn't necessarily right,
either, and I don't always read as carefully as I ought, there is so much
out there to evaluate. I am not saying that we ought to abandon a search
for help in the alternative field, only recognize the dangers in this area.
Also , I do not think that all medical doctors are just out to line their
pockeds. My own primary physician carries a work load that would wear me
out. And he listens when I speak of various alternatives, does not
automatically turn me off, but will do some research on what I am suggesting
and give me the other side of the picture. I find this to be helpful. Ruth
From Ruth Strackbein
From: Faith Saint Francis faithstfran...@hotmail.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSWorking with your doctor - a few remarks
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:55:04 -0400
Terry Chamberlin wrote:
If you do not know a doctor who is interested in alternative approaches
to health and you go see a regular, close-minded doctor, he will not help
you, he will only hinder you. He will, in fact, threaten your life.
When folks come to me with serious health issues, and they want to also
follow their doctors program, I will either work with them in a minimal way
(add some supplements, eat this, avoid this), or I will not work with them
at all.
These nightmare-like posts are accumulating, and they give me the chills. I
cannot understand that there are doctors out-there jeopardizing our health
for the god-forgotten sake of money.
The final part of this awakening post gives some relief:
The kids (high school) in this group do not know what to make of me
{there you go}. I am balding, gray, wrinkled and wear a dental bridge
that does not always stay in place, but I have been places and done
things they have only heard about {those things done and places been
to are what they need to hear about}. My energy equals their own and my
zest for life, love, joy and adventure perplexes them (sounds familiar; I
have often challenged pupils/students 20 to 30 years younger}. They have
started bringing their friends to be exposed to what is happening {and
THAT is what we Marsians, extra-terrestrials with our message are
after}.
It is part of our crusade too (in South-America) to awaken the poor sheep
who still believe (even after having experienced repetitive devastating
effects of doctors advices) that we should TEACH people to wake up and to
think for themselves and then decide what to do with, or for their body.
The life-long brainwash that doc knows best doc does best is in this our
greatest enemy; who am I to know better, he is the one has studied 7 to 12
years. Our greatest challenge is to teach clients and patients that
# 1 they have the RIGHT to decide for themselves
# 2 their own intuition is a very good guide
# 3 no one has any right at all to meddle in somebody elses free will.
FaithStFrancis,
Colombia
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RE: CSWorking with your doctor - a few remarks
Ruth, A very sensible summary, thank you. I agree that educating oneself, and including all healing modes is the best way of seeing a ripe old age. Disparaging the whole of the opposition implies another agenda to be wary of, or ,at the least, a mind so closed as to be a danger. We need allopathy, as we need Alternative practictioners. And we need a discriminating head on our shoulders. Chuk I've been in love with the same woman for 49 years. If my wife every finds out, she'll kill me! On 4/21/2007 11:01:57 AM, ruth strackbein (ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com) wrote: Hi, Faith, The trouble is that there are also people out there in the alternative medicine camp who are also interested in increasing their money intake for their products which aren't necessarily good for us either. Especially this is true because each one of us is fundamentally different, even though we are alike outwardly. Certainly, it is up to us to educate ourselves and be wary, but my own intuition isn't necessarily right, either, and I don't always read as carefully as I ought, there is so much out there to evaluate. I am not saying that we ought to abandon a search for help in the alternative field, only recognize the dangers in this area. Also , I do not think that all medical doctors are just out to line their pockeds. My own primary physician carries a work load that would wear me out. And he listens when I speak of various alternatives, does not automatically turn me off, but will do some research on what I am suggesting and give me the other side of the picture. I find this to be helpful. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Faith Saint Francis faithstfran...@hotmail.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWorking with your doctor - a few remarks
Yes, my own experience has been that no doctor I have seen yet has been
in it for the money. Rather, there is a pedagogy that reinforces
erroneous beliefs (in my case anyway) that kept me from getting a
diagnosis, and subsequently I nearly died from the disease the drs said
was all in your mind, dear; nothing is wrong with you.
Those writing the curriculums teaching all kinds of nonesense have,
shall we say, to be polite, conflicts of interest, and the
pharmaceutical companies are definitely in it for only the money. There
are also influential doctors that pursue a serious disinformation
campaign, to muddy the waters even further.
That being said, the lack of information the dr turned up was very
useful to the dr that DID make the diagnosis, so he did not have to
check my liver enzymes, for example, or other things to rule them out,
it was already done. The burr under my saddle was that the first guy
then decided it was all in my head, instead, it was all in my sinuses
and gut and who knows where. He just did not have the background
knowledge or keep up with new developements enough to recognise a
serious fungal infection.
I now have found a new primary care dr that is supportive of my right
to choose the treatment I want, and is *very* understanding when I only
want to have a couple of tubes of blood drawn at a time (I get dizzy
otherwise)- she says, just give her what she wants, it is fine. I love
being treated with respect.
One of the problems is that drs are trained to think that if you have a
mental manifestation (like serious depression, in me it was due to the
fungal infection, maybe it was in my brain, I had so many other
neurological symptoms as well) then your illness must be all in your
head also- there can be nothing else wrong, the mind causes the
physical problems. In me, it was just the opposite- the illness caused
the depression. Toxic mold causes depression as well, it is a very
regular symptom, talk to anyone who has had it, you can notice many
disturbances in the mental processing of information, and in many other
neurological symptoms as well. It is very common.
However, I am hoing I can stay away from the MDs for awhile, the
colloidal silver is working well, and I have been able to reduce my drs
to one now, instead of 4.
The trend toward punitivly restricting doctors from practicing
holistic, environemental, and othomolecular medicine is an almost evil
tendency that I have been seeing more and more. We all need freedom to
pursue our happiness however we can, esp in choice of drs and medical
treatments.
kathryn
On Apr 21, 2007, at 10:01 AM, ruth strackbein wrote:
Hi, Faith, The trouble is that there are also people out there in the
alternative medicine camp who are also interested in increasing their
money intake for their products which aren't necessarily good for us
either. Especially this is true because each one of us is
fundamentally different, even though we are alike outwardly.
Certainly, it is up to us to educate ourselves and be wary, but my own
intuition isn't necessarily right, either, and I don't always read as
carefully as I ought, there is so much out there to evaluate. I am
not saying that we ought to abandon a search for help in the
alternative field, only recognize the dangers in this area. Also , I
do not think that all medical doctors are just out to line their
pockeds. My own primary physician carries a work load that would wear
me out. And he listens when I speak of various alternatives, does not
automatically turn me off, but will do some research on what I am
suggesting and give me the other side of the picture. I find this to
be helpful. Ruth
From Ruth Strackbein
From: Faith Saint Francis faithstfran...@hotmail.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSWorking with your doctor - a few remarks
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:55:04 -0400
Terry Chamberlin wrote:
If you do not know a doctor who is interested in alternative
approaches to health and you go see a regular, close-minded doctor,
he will not help you, he will only hinder you. He will, in fact,
threaten your life.
When folks come to me with serious health issues, and they want to
also follow their doctors program, I will either work with them in a
minimal way (add some supplements, eat this, avoid this), or I will
not work with them at all.
These nightmare-like posts are accumulating, and they give me the
chills. I cannot understand that there are doctors out-there
jeopardizing our health for the god-forgotten sake of money.
The final part of this awakening post gives some relief:
The kids (high school) in this group do not know what to make of me
{there you go}. I am balding, gray, wrinkled and wear a dental
bridge that does not always stay in place, but I have been places
and done things they have only heard about {those
Re: CSWorking with your doctor - a few remarks
On 4/21/07, ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com wrote: I do not think that all medical doctors are just out to line their pockeds. My own primary physician carries a work load that would wear me out. And he listens when I speak of various alternatives, does not automatically turn me off, but will do some research on what I am suggesting and give me the other side of the picture. I find this to be helpful. Hi Ruth I totally agree with you. My G.P. has been wonderful. I have M.E. and he listens carefully to what I say, knows I don't like medication so will suggest sometimes but never push, is totally open to alternative therapies, points out they don't help everyone, but neither do drugs so to go with what I feel is right, has referred me to the Homeopathic Hospital, so I can get treatment on the N.H.S. and says if I find anything on the internet I want him to read, to print it out and take it in to him. I reckon I'm really lucky to have him. Cheers Kirsteen Chaos, confusion, disorder - my work here is done
CSWorking with your doctor
Mike Devour said, Of course, anything complimentary or alternative that he does will need to be coordinated with his medical team, to whatever extent they are prepared to cooperate. I do not know if that statement is there to avoid legal problems, or is your true opinion. To try to coordinate a radical alternative approach like the Gerson therapy or Essiac or any of the large number of other effective alternative approaches to cancer (or any health issue) while attempting to appease your doctor is like trying to coordinate a social program between militant atheists and evangelical Christians. Yes, I know there are a few medical doctors out there who are sympathetic to or are even practicing a holistic approach to cancer/health, but they are few and far between. Your normal doctor will not work with you, he will oppose any of 'that health-nut stuff'. He will insist on the cut-burn-poison routine that typifies the modern medical program, and will refuse to even treat you if you insist on anything else. For many years I was of the opinion that medical doctors were mostly ineffective, with an occasional lucky success. But in the last few years people have come to me with problems that were CAUSED by their doctors. Time after time after time clients have told me how a condition that turned out to have been nothing more than an allergy or indigestion was diagnosed as something needing surgery or extensive medication (which, when followed, caused severe, even life-threatening health problems). I am now of the opinion that doctors should be avoided, that to put yourself in their hands is to put your life at risk. One of my own daughters had a health issue that I suspected was insufficient thyroid. I contacted a doctor friend (the one who is enthusiastic about CS). When I discussed my daughter with her, told me that, if my daughter had laboratory testing and it was discovered that my suspicions about her thyroid were correct, she would have to take whatever drugs were prescribed, and if I did not agree, I would be reported and my daughter taken from me and forced to take the drugs. It would take me hours to relate all the stories my clients have told me about medical terrorism and the harassment they have received when they resisted obeying their doctors. Are there good, caring, open-minded doctors out there? Yes, and increasing in number daily. But they are still the great minority. If you do not know a doctor who is interested in alternative approaches to health and you go see a regular, close-minded doctor, he will not help you, he will only hinder you. He will, in fact, threaten your life. When folks come to me with serious health issues, and they want to also follow their doctors program, I will either work with them in a minimal way (add some supplements, eat this, avoid this), or I will not work with them at all. You cannot mix oil and water; you cannot try to help your body heal itself while at the same time do things that hurt your body or even interfere with its healing ability. I have had folks come to me who have been told by their doctors not to take any vitamins or minerals because it would bolster their immune systems, which the doctor does not want. They are taking drugs designed to suppress their immune systems, and anything that will bolster the immune system will interfere with the drug. I will not work with such folks. I tell them, if they press me to, that they need to decide how they are going to approach health. Either help your body defend itself, or let the doctor do his worst. If you choose the latter, be sure and have your Will filled out. I tell them, if you want your body to heal itself, do not see a doctor unless he/she also wants to help your body to heal itself and will do things designed to assist your body. Drugs do not. Radiation does not. Surgery rarely does. Clients have reported to me that when they told their doctors that they were taking CS, their doctor flew into a rage and demanded they stop immediately or they would not treat them anymore. Good. End of discussion. Exit stage left. The practice of medicine in North America has degenerated into something more dangerous than anything ever done by any primitive tribal witch doctors. Go see a Naturopath (but I will admit, the resistance to CS from Naturopathic doctors has been nearly as great as from medical doctors). Go see an herbalist. But most of all, educate yourself. Read, read, read. If you research your health issues on the internet, you will at first be overwhelmed by both the huge amount of info you find, and by the great variety of opinions about what you should do. Among the Natural-oriented folks you will find a great deal of opinion, discussion, disagreement, controversy. (The doctors at least, mostly agree: cut-burn-poison, make out your Will and then die). If you are fortunate enough to find one of the good doctors, hang on to him/her! But here is the key: As you keep chasing the knowledge
Re: CSWorking with your doctor/Terri
In a message dated 4/20/2007 9:20:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tcj...@yahoo.ca writes: Mike Devour said, Of course, anything complimentary or alternative that he does will need to be coordinated with his medical team, to whatever extent they are prepared to cooperate. ***Terry responded?..I do not know if that statement is there to avoid legal problems, or is your true opinion. I did not add the rest of the post...I am assuming all have read it...I just want to say I think that it was brilliantly written...everything you wrote Terri...from ugly experience...I can attest to and agree on. Anyhow, good job on articulating the ...as far as I am concerned...facts. v. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
RE: CSWorking with your doctor
Bravo, Terry!! First thing, as a complementary reading I suggest Death by Medicione, by Gary Null, PhD, and other collaborators. Here are some introductory lines: Death by Medicine By Gary Null, PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; and Dorothy Smith, PhD Natural medicine is under siege, as pharmaceutical company lobbyists urge lawmakers to deprive Americans of the benefits of dietary supplements. Drug-company front groups have launched slanderous media campaigns to discredit the value of healthy lifestyles. The FDA continues to interfere with those who offer natural products that compete with prescription drugs. These attacks against natural medicine obscure a lethal problem that until now was buried in thousands of pages of scientific text. In response to these baseless challenges to natural medicine, the Nutrition Institute of America commissioned an independent review of the quality of government-approved medicine. The startling findings from this meticulous study indicate that conventional medicine is the leading cause of death in the United States . The Nutrition Institute of America is a nonprofit organization that has sponsored independent research for the past 30 years. To support its bold claim that conventional medicine is America 's number-one killer, the Nutritional Institute of America mandated that every count in this indictment of US medicine be validated by published, peer-reviewed scientific studies. What you are about to read is a stunning compilation of facts that documents that those who seek to abolish consumer access to natural therapies are misleading the public. Over 700,000 Americans die each year at the hands of government-sanctioned medicine, while the FDA and other government agencies pretend to protect the public by harassing those who offer safe alternatives. -- Terry, I have only found ONE MD, a young (around 43), very bright fellow (he is also an Engineer, amongst other things), very outstanding traumatologist that happens to also live here in Margarita Island, that is everyday investigating about alternative medicine. The minute I talked to him about EIS he paid much attention, he investigated and since them he uses EIS for himself and many patients, with excellent results, even in a case of bone infection. I give him several liters a week for himself and his patients, for free. We also share Cayenne and many other hot peppers that I get and also some that I plant myself. He also prefers raw foods, including fresh, high quality fish and meat, he leads a very healthy life. We are also together in a project to teach small scale family gardening that can be done even in window sills if there is no more available space. He is no idiot, either. Whenever I como up with any radical abnormal idea about medicine, health, food, living habits, etc., he listens with great respect and attention, tries it on himself right off hand if I have had good personal experience with it, while at the same time seriously investigates on the subject. He has never mentioned it, but I have noticed that he does not charge anything to about 30% of his patients, those that have very low income. I also have other MD friends that are interested in our ideas, some of them are daring to even try some things. One of them is a cardiologist. I went to see him out of curiosity due to some slight irregularity in my heart beat. After he took down my basic personal information for the file, after I told him I was 74, next thing he asked was: ¨When was the last time you were checked by a cardiologist? I answered: The only other time I have ever been seen by a cardiologis was 56 years ago, in October 10 1951, when I had a terrible, almost deadly motorcycle wreck. He almost dropped dead, and after a few seconds in deep silence, he muttered: Well, that should be done about once a year... After he told me to get an x-ray of my heart and checking me very carefully, and reading the results from a 24 hour holter he installed, he told me: I dont know what to tell you: your aorta shows no sign whatsoever of calcification, which for you age is totally abnormal. Your cardiovascular system is better than in most men down to 30 year olds I know, including myself. Your eating habits are better than practically all people I know, better than mine for sure. You exercise daily. Really, I don't know what else to tell you to do...maybe to pray...! Regards, Carlos From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSWorking with your doctor Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Mike Devour said, Of course, anything complimentary
