Re: CSDMSO and poke
Hi Steve, Malcolm, Doug and all, I have been looking into a mushroom called Chaga lately which grows on birch trees primarily and in colder climates. It has a history of immune enhancement in Russia and has been used there to help in the recovery of cancer patients as well as as a preventative. Its properties can be better explained in the links below. I have read of several different ways to prepare it. I am wondering if Chaga tincture could be made with DMSO to help achieve good penetration as one might do with herbs. Any thoughts anyone? http://www.wholife.com/issues/9_4/03_article.html http://www.survivaltopics.com/survival/the-chaga-natures-medicinal-mushroom/ http://www.sunfood.com/buy/1/34/Chaga-Extract-Mushroom-Science-90-veg-caps-Wild-Crafted-1433.aspx http://www.raysahelian.com/chaga.html http://www.rogersmushrooms.com/gallery/DisplayBlock~bid~5349~gid~~source~gallerydefault.asp http://mushroom-collecting.com/mushroomchaga.html http://www.mushroomharvest.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=36_39products_id=161 http://www.optimallyorganic.com/Chaga.htm?gclid=CLv4nZPSmZ0CFZJM5Qodhlg_3A http://www.premiumchaga.com/index.html http://www.chagatrade.ru/ http://www.mychaga.com/default.aspx http://www.mitobi.com/chaga.html Blessings, Peter - Original Message - From: Malcolm s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 2:42 AM Subject: RE: CSDMSO and poke Hi Steve; There are a number of mushrooms that contain anti-viral compounds; most of the research on this topic as well as other medicinal qualities of fungi has been done in China or Japan. Check out Mycomedicinals by Paul Stamets. Available from Fungi Perfecti, P.O. Box 7634 Olympia, WA 98507 or go to: http://www.fungi.com/ I'd also highly recommend his book Mycelium Running Take care, Malcolm On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 18:30 -0500, Norton, Steve wrote: Doug, I certainly agree that pokeweed is interesting. Both in it's unique antiviral properties: Three well-known different pokeweed antiviral protein (PAP)isoforms from the leaves of the pokeweed (PAP-I from spring leaves, PAPII from early summer leaves, and PAP-III from late summer leaves) that cause concentration-dependent depurination of genomic virus RNA. And there is the pokeweed mitogen. I have not come across mitogens in any other plant, although there may be some with mitogens. And in it's immune stimulating properties. I have to admit that the roots worry me a little since they, along with any red parts of the plant (not including the berries), contains the highest amount of toxins. The berries are the lowest as long as you do not eat the seeds. When I grew up in Kentucky, pokeweed would be found anywhere you did not cut or weed regularly. I have yet to see it in CA where I live now. I see that you offer pokeweed for sale or trade on your site. What are your prices for shoots, roots, leaves and berries and when are the seasons for each? I would like enough berries for a pie and some jelly to try. The rest would be for tincturing. Except for some shoots that I may cook if there are enough. Thanks, Steve N -Original Message- From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:57 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDMSO and poke Steve, I recommend a pure (upper 90s%) DMSO menstruum (herbal solvent), if you are planning on tincturing the fresh green herb. If you are tincturing dry herbs, I would go with the recommended ratios that are traditionally used and varies from herb to herb. For instance it is recommended that when you tincture dry poke root, you use a 50% ethanol/50% water solution, so I would likewise use a 50% DMSO/50% water solution. Just substitute the DMSO for ethanol. DMSO should not need a preservative if used at the higher strengths, just like ethanol. Things usually do not grow in DMSO as they do not in ethanol, presuming the strength is high. I would not be afraid of herbal tinctures 30% or higher in DMSO concentrations. I mostly only use High purity DMSO in my tincturing process and I have yet to have a tincture spoil. I have never tried to combine DMSO and ethanol as a combination menstruum. Interesting concept! I can only see an advantage to this from a solvent standpoint if both solvents can extract components of an herb, if one by itself could not. If you are only adding DMSO to provide a more efficient vehicle of herbal drug delivery, then yes, that might be an advantage too, though most people detest DMSO. You could extract the herb by either using a combined DMSO/ethanol menstruum or just tincturing each herb in a DMSO or ethanol menstruum then combining the two. Either way should be ok to my way of thinking. The eclectic medical movement that specialized in botanical medicines from the late 1800s up till 1932 or so, found that the best poke root tincture was made directly from
RE: CSDMSO and poke
Hi Steve; There are a number of mushrooms that contain anti-viral compounds; most of the research on this topic as well as other medicinal qualities of fungi has been done in China or Japan. Check out Mycomedicinals by Paul Stamets. Available from Fungi Perfecti, P.O. Box 7634 Olympia, WA 98507 or go to: http://www.fungi.com/ I'd also highly recommend his book Mycelium Running Take care, Malcolm On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 18:30 -0500, Norton, Steve wrote: Doug, I certainly agree that pokeweed is interesting. Both in it's unique antiviral properties: Three well-known different pokeweed antiviral protein (PAP)isoforms from the leaves of the pokeweed (PAP-I from spring leaves, PAPII from early summer leaves, and PAP-III from late summer leaves) that cause concentration-dependent depurination of genomic virus RNA. And there is the pokeweed mitogen. I have not come across mitogens in any other plant, although there may be some with mitogens. And in it's immune stimulating properties. I have to admit that the roots worry me a little since they, along with any red parts of the plant (not including the berries), contains the highest amount of toxins. The berries are the lowest as long as you do not eat the seeds. When I grew up in Kentucky, pokeweed would be found anywhere you did not cut or weed regularly. I have yet to see it in CA where I live now. I see that you offer pokeweed for sale or trade on your site. What are your prices for shoots, roots, leaves and berries and when are the seasons for each? I would like enough berries for a pie and some jelly to try. The rest would be for tincturing. Except for some shoots that I may cook if there are enough. Thanks, Steve N -Original Message- From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:57 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDMSO and poke Steve, I recommend a pure (upper 90s%) DMSO menstruum (herbal solvent), if you are planning on tincturing the fresh green herb. If you are tincturing dry herbs, I would go with the recommended ratios that are traditionally used and varies from herb to herb. For instance it is recommended that when you tincture dry poke root, you use a 50% ethanol/50% water solution, so I would likewise use a 50% DMSO/50% water solution. Just substitute the DMSO for ethanol. DMSO should not need a preservative if used at the higher strengths, just like ethanol. Things usually do not grow in DMSO as they do not in ethanol, presuming the strength is high. I would not be afraid of herbal tinctures 30% or higher in DMSO concentrations. I mostly only use High purity DMSO in my tincturing process and I have yet to have a tincture spoil. I have never tried to combine DMSO and ethanol as a combination menstruum. Interesting concept! I can only see an advantage to this from a solvent standpoint if both solvents can extract components of an herb, if one by itself could not. If you are only adding DMSO to provide a more efficient vehicle of herbal drug delivery, then yes, that might be an advantage too, though most people detest DMSO. You could extract the herb by either using a combined DMSO/ethanol menstruum or just tincturing each herb in a DMSO or ethanol menstruum then combining the two. Either way should be ok to my way of thinking. The eclectic medical movement that specialized in botanical medicines from the late 1800s up till 1932 or so, found that the best poke root tincture was made directly from the fresh green poke root. The dry poke root is no where near as good or potent. The toxic qualities of poke weed are highly exaggerated. No doubt if you ate the mature weed like you would the young one or as you would any salad, you would suffer gastro-intestinal distress, but that's about it--puking. In some circles, it is felt that vomiting as a result of poke root is actually cathartic. This is held mainly by the puke cleanse old time herbalists. I would not be worried about the widely publicized toxicity of poke. I know you will find that some young children in the long ago past were said to be poisoned by the berry. Maybe so. We don't know how much they ate, nor if they were compromised in some way or if younger systems are more susceptible. In the adult, poke berries were commonly used for arthritic conditions. As the old cliché goes, all things are poison in the right amounts and most poisons are medicinal in smaller amounts. Poke is no different. It is one of my favorite herbs and a superb anti-viral and lymphatic stimulant. It is great as a topical DMSO tincture. doug - Original Message - Doug, A little while back I asked you about making tinctures with DMSO (using the email address provided at your web site). If I remember right you recommended a 50% DMSO solution. Thanks for the info. I was wondering
Re: CSDMSO and poke
Dee, Thanks for your concern. Yes, i took my CS with DMSO as well as oregano oil, coconut oil, turmeric powder and moringa tea. The lymph node is ok now. Seems like i am coming with a cold. My throat is still a bit stingy. I think i am getting a handle on the code as well. The annoying thing is even the inside of my ear hurt, but is also gone now. Melly --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org Subject: Re: CSDMSO and poke To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 2:55 PM Melly I get this and all I do is drink CS every ten or so minutes and they subside also within minutes. Once I had a huge swelling came up around my jaw and face, with a big soft swelling inside my cheek. I kept on drinking the silver and all swellings had subsided within two hours, and completely gone in four. dee On 1 Oct 2009, at 19:21, Melly Bag wrote: Polo Thanks a nullion. I might have to use poke weed as my lymph nodes have been hurting the past few days. Really grateful for this info. Melly
Re: CSDMSO and poke
Dinner. [big broad leaves, tastes sorta like a sweet spinach when young, like collards when older] Bring to boil, change water, heat it up again, drain and eat. Any toxins are water soluble and mostly just make ya really regular Poke Salit Annie ? ..that's about all they had to eat. Folx used to dig up the big ole roots and put them in pots in the basement next to the little windows...eat the sprouts all winter long. Quite high in Vits A and C Berries make good indelible purple ink. Birds eat em..they're already really regular...Fall is purple bird poop season. Ode At 06:21 PM 9/30/2009 -0700, you wrote: Forgive me for butting in, but what is pokeweed good for? Melly --- On Wed, 9/30/09, polo dah...@centurytel.net wrote: From: polo dah...@centurytel.net Subject: Re: CSDMSO and poke To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:42 PM Oh, just reimburse me for the postage and I can send you some fresh root. It needs to be dug after our first frost which is a ways off yet. Berries would be much harder and I don't generally pick or sell them. doug - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve http://us.mc807.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=stephen.nor...@ngc.comstephen.nor...@ngc.com To: http://us.mc807.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-l...@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:30 PM Subject: RE: CSDMSO and poke Doug, I certainly agree that pokeweed is interesting. Both in it's unique antiviral properties: Three well-known different pokeweed antiviral protein (PAP)isoforms from the leaves of the pokeweed (PAP-I from spring leaves, PAPII from early summer leaves, and PAP-III from late summer leaves) that cause concentration-dependent depurination of genomic virus RNA. And there is the pokeweed mitogen. I have not come across mitogens in any other plant, although there may be some with mitogens. And in it's immune stimulating properties. I have to admit that the roots worry me a little since they, along with any red parts of the plant (not including the berries), contains the highest amount of toxins. The berries are the lowest as long as you do not eat the seeds. When I grew up in Kentucky, pokeweed would be found anywhere you did not cut or weed regularly. I have yet to see it in CA where I live now. I see that you offer pokeweed for sale or trade on your site. What are your prices for shoots, roots, leaves and berries and when are the seasons for each? I would like enough berries for a pie and some jelly to try. The rest would be for tincturing. Except for some shoots that I may cook if there are enough. Thanks, Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org/http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: http://us.mc807.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-l...@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: http://us.mc807.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour http://us.mc807.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mdev...@eskimo.commdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDMSO and poke
Polo Thanks a nullion. I might have to use poke weed as my lymph nodes have been hurting the past few days. Really grateful for this info. Melly --- On Wed, 9/30/09, polo dah...@centurytel.net wrote: From: polo dah...@centurytel.net Subject: Re: CSDMSO and poke To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 11:56 PM Medicinal Properties of Poke Root: Medical qualities which have been linked to Poke are alternative (metabolism balancer), anodyne (painkiller), antifungal, antiviral, anti-inflammatory, antirheumatic, antitumor (cancer fighting), cathartic (bowel evacuation), emetic (induce vomiting), immune stimulant, laxative, and lymphatic decongestant. Quite an impressive list, eh? This is probably why much of traditional Herbalogy is poo-poohed by the medical professions. How can a medicine have so many uses? Certainly the modern refined drugs have only one or two specific indications. Well, this is exactly the reason why many herbs have multiple medical indications. Plants are not refined, single drugs, but a package of many chemical compounds which work together to make that unique plant viable. When one prescribes a whole herb extract, a whole series of extracted components are being given to the patient, not one. Luckily, most of these plant compounds are synergistic and will often improve the medicinal values of the complete plant extract as a remedy. As is the nature of the beast, that extract can have multiple uses and influences on varied metabolic functions. Poke was first judiciously utilized and known in 19th century medicine as a emetic and cathartic. Those were the days when our medical physicians highly relied on the process of purging body toxins via both the mouth and anus as a routine method of achieving lost health. Such body evacuations have long gone out of fashion which is why I think Poke has been dismissed as a valuable medicinal herb. It was the Eclectics of the last century that saw in Poke (Phytolacca) something much more valuable than its purging properties. John King's American Dispensatory reviews the other virtues of Poke. It says Poke is an important therapeutic aid in skin conditions. It will kill scabies infestations, sooth inflamed skin, and aid in healing dermal abscesses/ulcerations/boils. Phytolacca is indicated in chronic eczema, psoriasis, varicose veins, syphilitic types of eruptions, fissures, and painful lymphatic enlargements. It can be employed both internally and externally for such conditions. King's text further praises the usefulness of Poke in diseases of the mouth and throat: laryngitis, tracheitis, influenza, diphtheria, tonsillitis, stomatitis, follicular pharyngitis, and ordinary sore mouth. It will stimulate the mucous membranes of the mouth and promote glandular activity. Sore, irritated, inflamed throats have been cured by it. The Eclectics held Poke in the highest esteem in glandular conditions of the mammary. It shines as a remedy in acute mastitis. It has further been shown of value in treating granular conjunctivitis and other eye inflammations. It holds relieve for certain rheumatic conditions. King describes the use of the root and leaves: The root, roasted in hot ashes until soft, and then mashed and applied as a poultice, is unrivaled in felons (purulent infection) and tumors of various kinds. It discusses them rapidly, or if too far advanced, hastens their suppuration. He goes on to tell that an infusion of the bruised leaves may be applied to indolent ulcers with the best of results. Phytolacca has had a long history as a cancer fighting herb. One of its name is Cancerroot. The benefits of Poke Root as an immune stimulant and lymphatic decongestant is a more modern revelation. Simon Mills in his text, Principals and Practice of Phytotherapy, describes the immunological stimulating properties of Poke. He cites PWM (poke weed mitogen) as the factor which stimulates lymphocyte production and increases the number of blood plasma cells. Poke, also, contains LSF (lymphocyte stimulating factors) which induces lymphocytes to differentiate into lgM-secreting cells and multiply as such. Further, LSF causes polyclonal B-cells to differentiate into lgM-secreting cells. Lastly, there seems to be an antiviral protein present showing laboratory activity against many plant and animal viruses. - Original Message - From: Melly Bag To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:21 PM Subject: Re: CSDMSO and poke Forgive me for butting in, but what is pokeweed good for?
Re: CSDMSO and poke- polo
polo wrote: Well, this is exactly the reason why many herbs have multiple medical indications. Plants are not refined, single drugs, but a package of many chemical compounds which work together to make that unique plant viable. When one prescribes a whole herb extract, a whole series of extracted components are being given to the patient, not one. Luckily, most of these plant compounds are synergistic and will often improve the medicinal values of the complete plant extract as a remedy. As is the nature of the beast, that extract can have multiple uses and influences on varied metabolic functions. Nature provides its own balance,When you extract a chemical or component you have lost that balance. This is why there are so few side-effects from whole herb products as compared to pharmaceuticals.Whatever you need to balance the effects is already contained in that same plant.This has been known for centuries, but they never ever learn. Thank you for all the good info on pokeweed. It grows wild around here but I was unable to find any useful information about it. zoe ' -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Melly I get this and all I do is drink CS every ten or so minutes and they subside also within minutes. Once I had a huge swelling came up around my jaw and face, with a big soft swelling inside my cheek. I kept on drinking the silver and all swellings had subsided within two hours, and completely gone in four. dee On 1 Oct 2009, at 19:21, Melly Bag wrote: Polo Thanks a nullion. I might have to use poke weed as my lymph nodes have been hurting the past few days. Really grateful for this info. Melly
Re: CSDMSO and poke
Steve, I recommend a pure (upper 90s%) DMSO menstruum (herbal solvent), if you are planning on tincturing the fresh green herb. If you are tincturing dry herbs, I would go with the recommended ratios that are traditionally used and varies from herb to herb. For instance it is recommended that when you tincture dry poke root, you use a 50% ethanol/50% water solution, so I would likewise use a 50% DMSO/50% water solution. Just substitute the DMSO for ethanol. DMSO should not need a preservative if used at the higher strengths, just like ethanol. Things usually do not grow in DMSO as they do not in ethanol, presuming the strength is high. I would not be afraid of herbal tinctures 30% or higher in DMSO concentrations. I mostly only use High purity DMSO in my tincturing process and I have yet to have a tincture spoil. I have never tried to combine DMSO and ethanol as a combination menstruum. Interesting concept! I can only see an advantage to this from a solvent standpoint if both solvents can extract components of an herb, if one by itself could not. If you are only adding DMSO to provide a more efficient vehicle of herbal drug delivery, then yes, that might be an advantage too, though most people detest DMSO. You could extract the herb by either using a combined DMSO/ethanol menstruum or just tincturing each herb in a DMSO or ethanol menstruum then combining the two. Either way should be ok to my way of thinking. The eclectic medical movement that specialized in botanical medicines from the late 1800s up till 1932 or so, found that the best poke root tincture was made directly from the fresh green poke root. The dry poke root is no where near as good or potent. The toxic qualities of poke weed are highly exaggerated. No doubt if you ate the mature weed like you would the young one or as you would any salad, you would suffer gastro-intestinal distress, but that's about it--puking. In some circles, it is felt that vomiting as a result of poke root is actually cathartic. This is held mainly by the puke cleanse old time herbalists. I would not be worried about the widely publicized toxicity of poke. I know you will find that some young children in the long ago past were said to be poisoned by the berry. Maybe so. We don't know how much they ate, nor if they were compromised in some way or if younger systems are more susceptible. In the adult, poke berries were commonly used for arthritic conditions. As the old cliché goes, all things are poison in the right amounts and most poisons are medicinal in smaller amounts. Poke is no different. It is one of my favorite herbs and a superb anti-viral and lymphatic stimulant. It is great as a topical DMSO tincture. doug - Original Message - Doug, A little while back I asked you about making tinctures with DMSO (using the email address provided at your web site). If I remember right you recommended a 50% DMSO solution. Thanks for the info. I was wondering if you use a preservative in your DMSO tinctures? I am considering a DMSO/vodka tincture and wondered if you have tried something similar. If you do, would you need to combine the herb and DMSO and let it set first before adding the vodka, to maximize bonding between DMSO and herb components rather than DMSO bonding with alcohol? I also have a question regarding the tincturing of polkweed. The toxic components of pokeweed are water soluble. Should one dry and powder the pokeweed and then go through several soaking in water. Throwing away the water after each soaking before tincturing to eliminate the toxic substances? Or would you recommend an extraction using a non polar solvent to remove only the non water soluble components of the pokeweed? Thanks, Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSDMSO and poke
Doug, I certainly agree that pokeweed is interesting. Both in it's unique antiviral properties: Three well-known different pokeweed antiviral protein (PAP)isoforms from the leaves of the pokeweed (PAP-I from spring leaves, PAPII from early summer leaves, and PAP-III from late summer leaves) that cause concentration-dependent depurination of genomic virus RNA. And there is the pokeweed mitogen. I have not come across mitogens in any other plant, although there may be some with mitogens. And in it's immune stimulating properties. I have to admit that the roots worry me a little since they, along with any red parts of the plant (not including the berries), contains the highest amount of toxins. The berries are the lowest as long as you do not eat the seeds. When I grew up in Kentucky, pokeweed would be found anywhere you did not cut or weed regularly. I have yet to see it in CA where I live now. I see that you offer pokeweed for sale or trade on your site. What are your prices for shoots, roots, leaves and berries and when are the seasons for each? I would like enough berries for a pie and some jelly to try. The rest would be for tincturing. Except for some shoots that I may cook if there are enough. Thanks, Steve N -Original Message- From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:57 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDMSO and poke Steve, I recommend a pure (upper 90s%) DMSO menstruum (herbal solvent), if you are planning on tincturing the fresh green herb. If you are tincturing dry herbs, I would go with the recommended ratios that are traditionally used and varies from herb to herb. For instance it is recommended that when you tincture dry poke root, you use a 50% ethanol/50% water solution, so I would likewise use a 50% DMSO/50% water solution. Just substitute the DMSO for ethanol. DMSO should not need a preservative if used at the higher strengths, just like ethanol. Things usually do not grow in DMSO as they do not in ethanol, presuming the strength is high. I would not be afraid of herbal tinctures 30% or higher in DMSO concentrations. I mostly only use High purity DMSO in my tincturing process and I have yet to have a tincture spoil. I have never tried to combine DMSO and ethanol as a combination menstruum. Interesting concept! I can only see an advantage to this from a solvent standpoint if both solvents can extract components of an herb, if one by itself could not. If you are only adding DMSO to provide a more efficient vehicle of herbal drug delivery, then yes, that might be an advantage too, though most people detest DMSO. You could extract the herb by either using a combined DMSO/ethanol menstruum or just tincturing each herb in a DMSO or ethanol menstruum then combining the two. Either way should be ok to my way of thinking. The eclectic medical movement that specialized in botanical medicines from the late 1800s up till 1932 or so, found that the best poke root tincture was made directly from the fresh green poke root. The dry poke root is no where near as good or potent. The toxic qualities of poke weed are highly exaggerated. No doubt if you ate the mature weed like you would the young one or as you would any salad, you would suffer gastro-intestinal distress, but that's about it--puking. In some circles, it is felt that vomiting as a result of poke root is actually cathartic. This is held mainly by the puke cleanse old time herbalists. I would not be worried about the widely publicized toxicity of poke. I know you will find that some young children in the long ago past were said to be poisoned by the berry. Maybe so. We don't know how much they ate, nor if they were compromised in some way or if younger systems are more susceptible. In the adult, poke berries were commonly used for arthritic conditions. As the old cliché goes, all things are poison in the right amounts and most poisons are medicinal in smaller amounts. Poke is no different. It is one of my favorite herbs and a superb anti-viral and lymphatic stimulant. It is great as a topical DMSO tincture. doug - Original Message - Doug, A little while back I asked you about making tinctures with DMSO (using the email address provided at your web site). If I remember right you recommended a 50% DMSO solution. Thanks for the info. I was wondering if you use a preservative in your DMSO tinctures? I am considering a DMSO/vodka tincture and wondered if you have tried something similar. If you do, would you need to combine the herb and DMSO and let it set first before adding the vodka, to maximize bonding between DMSO and herb components rather than DMSO bonding with alcohol? I also have a question regarding the tincturing of polkweed. The toxic components of pokeweed are water soluble. Should one dry and powder the pokeweed and then go through several soaking in water. Throwing
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Doug what's your website? -Original Message- From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:31 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSDMSO and poke Doug, I certainly agree that pokeweed is interesting. Both in it's unique antiviral properties: Three well-known different pokeweed antiviral protein (PAP)isoforms from the leaves of the pokeweed (PAP-I from spring leaves, PAPII from early summer leaves, and PAP-III from late summer leaves) that cause concentration-dependent depurination of genomic virus RNA. And there is the pokeweed mitogen. I have not come across mitogens in any other plant, although there may be some with mitogens. And in it's immune stimulating properties. I have to admit that the roots worry me a little since they, along with any red parts of the plant (not including the berries), contains the highest amount of toxins. The berries are the lowest as long as you do not eat the seeds. When I grew up in Kentucky, pokeweed would be found anywhere you did not cut or weed regularly. I have yet to see it in CA where I live now. I see that you offer pokeweed for sale or trade on your site. What are your prices for shoots, roots, leaves and berries and when are the seasons for each? I would like enough berries for a pie and some jelly to try. The rest would be for tincturing. Except for some shoots that I may cook if there are enough. Thanks, Steve N -Original Message- From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:57 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDMSO and poke Steve, I recommend a pure (upper 90s%) DMSO menstruum (herbal solvent), if you are planning on tincturing the fresh green herb. If you are tincturing dry herbs, I would go with the recommended ratios that are traditionally used and varies from herb to herb. For instance it is recommended that when you tincture dry poke root, you use a 50% ethanol/50% water solution, so I would likewise use a 50% DMSO/50% water solution. Just substitute the DMSO for ethanol. DMSO should not need a preservative if used at the higher strengths, just like ethanol. Things usually do not grow in DMSO as they do not in ethanol, presuming the strength is high. I would not be afraid of herbal tinctures 30% or higher in DMSO concentrations. I mostly only use High purity DMSO in my tincturing process and I have yet to have a tincture spoil. I have never tried to combine DMSO and ethanol as a combination menstruum. Interesting concept! I can only see an advantage to this from a solvent standpoint if both solvents can extract components of an herb, if one by itself could not. If you are only adding DMSO to provide a more efficient vehicle of herbal drug delivery, then yes, that might be an advantage too, though most people detest DMSO. You could extract the herb by either using a combined DMSO/ethanol menstruum or just tincturing each herb in a DMSO or ethanol menstruum then combining the two. Either way should be ok to my way of thinking. The eclectic medical movement that specialized in botanical medicines from the late 1800s up till 1932 or so, found that the best poke root tincture was made directly from the fresh green poke root. The dry poke root is no where near as good or potent. The toxic qualities of poke weed are highly exaggerated. No doubt if you ate the mature weed like you would the young one or as you would any salad, you would suffer gastro-intestinal distress, but that's about it--puking. In some circles, it is felt that vomiting as a result of poke root is actually cathartic. This is held mainly by the puke cleanse old time herbalists. I would not be worried about the widely publicized toxicity of poke. I know you will find that some young children in the long ago past were said to be poisoned by the berry. Maybe so. We don't know how much they ate, nor if they were compromised in some way or if younger systems are more susceptible. In the adult, poke berries were commonly used for arthritic conditions. As the old cliché goes, all things are poison in the right amounts and most poisons are medicinal in smaller amounts. Poke is no different. It is one of my favorite herbs and a superb anti-viral and lymphatic stimulant. It is great as a topical DMSO tincture. doug - Original Message - Doug, A little while back I asked you about making tinctures with DMSO (using the email address provided at your web site). If I remember right you recommended a 50% DMSO solution. Thanks for the info. I was wondering if you use a preservative in your DMSO tinctures? I am considering a DMSO/vodka tincture and wondered if you have tried something similar. If you do, would you need to combine the herb and DMSO and let it set first before adding the vodka, to maximize bonding between DMSO and herb components rather than DMSO bonding with alcohol? I also have a question regarding the tincturing
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Oh, just reimburse me for the postage and I can send you some fresh root. It needs to be dug after our first frost which is a ways off yet. Berries would be much harder and I don't generally pick or sell them. doug - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:30 PM Subject: RE: CSDMSO and poke Doug, I certainly agree that pokeweed is interesting. Both in it's unique antiviral properties: Three well-known different pokeweed antiviral protein (PAP)isoforms from the leaves of the pokeweed (PAP-I from spring leaves, PAPII from early summer leaves, and PAP-III from late summer leaves) that cause concentration-dependent depurination of genomic virus RNA. And there is the pokeweed mitogen. I have not come across mitogens in any other plant, although there may be some with mitogens. And in it's immune stimulating properties. I have to admit that the roots worry me a little since they, along with any red parts of the plant (not including the berries), contains the highest amount of toxins. The berries are the lowest as long as you do not eat the seeds. When I grew up in Kentucky, pokeweed would be found anywhere you did not cut or weed regularly. I have yet to see it in CA where I live now. I see that you offer pokeweed for sale or trade on your site. What are your prices for shoots, roots, leaves and berries and when are the seasons for each? I would like enough berries for a pie and some jelly to try. The rest would be for tincturing. Except for some shoots that I may cook if there are enough. Thanks, Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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www.racehorseherbal.com - Original Message - From: Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:38 PM Subject: RE: CSDMSO and poke Doug what's your website? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Forgive me for butting in, but what is pokeweed good for? Melly --- On Wed, 9/30/09, polo dah...@centurytel.net wrote: From: polo dah...@centurytel.net Subject: Re: CSDMSO and poke To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:42 PM Oh, just reimburse me for the postage and I can send you some fresh root. It needs to be dug after our first frost which is a ways off yet. Berries would be much harder and I don't generally pick or sell them. doug - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:30 PM Subject: RE: CSDMSO and poke Doug, I certainly agree that pokeweed is interesting. Both in it's unique antiviral properties: Three well-known different pokeweed antiviral protein (PAP)isoforms from the leaves of the pokeweed (PAP-I from spring leaves, PAPII from early summer leaves, and PAP-III from late summer leaves) that cause concentration-dependent depurination of genomic virus RNA. And there is the pokeweed mitogen. I have not come across mitogens in any other plant, although there may be some with mitogens. And in it's immune stimulating properties. I have to admit that the roots worry me a little since they, along with any red parts of the plant (not including the berries), contains the highest amount of toxins. The berries are the lowest as long as you do not eat the seeds. When I grew up in Kentucky, pokeweed would be found anywhere you did not cut or weed regularly. I have yet to see it in CA where I live now. I see that you offer pokeweed for sale or trade on your site. What are your prices for shoots, roots, leaves and berries and when are the seasons for each? I would like enough berries for a pie and some jelly to try. The rest would be for tincturing. Except for some shoots that I may cook if there are enough. Thanks, Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Medicinal Properties of Poke Root: Medical qualities which have been linked to Poke are alternative (metabolism balancer), anodyne (painkiller), antifungal, antiviral, anti-inflammatory, antirheumatic, antitumor (cancer fighting), cathartic (bowel evacuation), emetic (induce vomiting), immune stimulant, laxative, and lymphatic decongestant. Quite an impressive list, eh? This is probably why much of traditional Herbalogy is poo-poohed by the medical professions. How can a medicine have so many uses? Certainly the modern refined drugs have only one or two specific indications. Well, this is exactly the reason why many herbs have multiple medical indications. Plants are not refined, single drugs, but a package of many chemical compounds which work together to make that unique plant viable. When one prescribes a whole herb extract, a whole series of extracted components are being given to the patient, not one. Luckily, most of these plant compounds are synergistic and will often improve the medicinal values of the complete plant extract as a remedy. As is the nature of the beast, that extract can have multiple uses and influences on varied metabolic functions. Poke was first judiciously utilized and known in 19th century medicine as a emetic and cathartic. Those were the days when our medical physicians highly relied on the process of purging body toxins via both the mouth and anus as a routine method of achieving lost health. Such body evacuations have long gone out of fashion which is why I think Poke has been dismissed as a valuable medicinal herb. It was the Eclectics of the last century that saw in Poke (Phytolacca) something much more valuable than its purging properties. John King's American Dispensatory reviews the other virtues of Poke. It says Poke is an important therapeutic aid in skin conditions. It will kill scabies infestations, sooth inflamed skin, and aid in healing dermal abscesses/ulcerations/boils. Phytolacca is indicated in chronic eczema, psoriasis, varicose veins, syphilitic types of eruptions, fissures, and painful lymphatic enlargements. It can be employed both internally and externally for such conditions. King's text further praises the usefulness of Poke in diseases of the mouth and throat: laryngitis, tracheitis, influenza, diphtheria, tonsillitis, stomatitis, follicular pharyngitis, and ordinary sore mouth. It will stimulate the mucous membranes of the mouth and promote glandular activity. Sore, irritated, inflamed throats have been cured by it. The Eclectics held Poke in the highest esteem in glandular conditions of the mammary. It shines as a remedy in acute mastitis. It has further been shown of value in treating granular conjunctivitis and other eye inflammations. It holds relieve for certain rheumatic conditions. King describes the use of the root and leaves: The root, roasted in hot ashes until soft, and then mashed and applied as a poultice, is unrivaled in felons (purulent infection) and tumors of various kinds. It discusses them rapidly, or if too far advanced, hastens their suppuration. He goes on to tell that an infusion of the bruised leaves may be applied to indolent ulcers with the best of results. Phytolacca has had a long history as a cancer fighting herb. One of its name is Cancerroot. The benefits of Poke Root as an immune stimulant and lymphatic decongestant is a more modern revelation. Simon Mills in his text, Principals and Practice of Phytotherapy, describes the immunological stimulating properties of Poke. He cites PWM (poke weed mitogen) as the factor which stimulates lymphocyte production and increases the number of blood plasma cells. Poke, also, contains LSF (lymphocyte stimulating factors) which induces lymphocytes to differentiate into lgM-secreting cells and multiply as such. Further, LSF causes polyclonal B-cells to differentiate into lgM-secreting cells. Lastly, there seems to be an antiviral protein present showing laboratory activity against many plant and animal viruses. - Original Message - From: Melly Bag To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:21 PM Subject: Re: CSDMSO and poke Forgive me for butting in, but what is pokeweed good for? clip_image002.gifclip_image003.gifclip_image004.gifclip_image005.gif
