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So from this it would seem that supplementing with Vit D3 is a good thing as most of us don¹t get the sort of sun exposure that we need. I have read that Vit D3 has the ability to trigger the cancer cells to self-destruct and this is why it has been found that cancer patients have very low levels of it. I asked the question because I use the Now brand of liposomal sublingual spray version containing both Vit D3 and Vit K2. It was the liposomal part which bothered me because of your information. dee From: mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 19:31:44 -0700 To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 18:31:43 -0800 How did this get started? Maybe because I said that liposomes can transiently decrease macrophage activity and then someone said vit D is a rat poison as a rebuttal, trying I think to say that even well known healthy things can be toxic depending on the dose.. Its not only the quantity but how well your body balances things with other hormones and vitamins. Excess calcium circulating in the system can be toxic. Vit D can cause this. Probably everybody knows Dr Mercola is big on Vit D Its off topic but here is a little Mercola extract; sun exposure or the use of a safe tanning bed are the best options to optimize your vitamin D levels. You cannot overdose when getting your vitamin D from sun exposure, as your body has the ability to self-regulate and only make what it needs. If these options are not available, a supplement can be used, but keep the following in mind: * According to the most recent findings by Carole Baggerly, founder of GrassrootsHealth http://www.grassrootshealth.net/ , her research of nearly 10,000 people shows the ideal adult dose appears to be 8,000 IU's a day to get most into the healthy range. * When you do supplement with vitamin D, you'll only want to supplement with natural vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol). * As an aside, there is evidence that the safety of vitamin D is dependent on vitamin K, and that vitamin D toxicity (although very rare with the D3 form) is actually aggravated by vitamin K2 deficiency. So if you take oral vitamin D, ideally you should take vitamin K2 as well http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/27/the-stealth-v itamin-that-can-improve-your-insulin-sensitivity.aspx or use organic fermented foods that are high in vitamin K2, as you need about 150 mcg per day. * The normal 25-hydroxyvitamin D lab range is between 20-56 ng/ml. But, this conventional range is really a sign of deficiency, and is too broad to be ideal. In fact, your vitamin D level should not be below 32 ng/ml, and any levels below 20 ng/ml are considered serious deficiency states, increasing your risk of cancer and autoimmune diseases like multiple sclerosis and rheumatoid arthritis, just to name a few. * * Remember that if you were in the sun nearly every day with large amounts of your skin exposed and not taking any oral vitamin D, your level would be around 100 ng/ml.
Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes?
Dee I wouldnt be concerned about liposomal sublinqual spray having negative effects at all. What I said about the macrophages and all that was just interesting things I found in Pub Med papers surrounding the issue of liposome absorption. The reduced macrophage action was due to large IV doses. In combination with a toxin called clodronate, they can wipe out your macrophages this way. It shows that macrophages consume liposomes, and I think thats why I brought up. My question was; are oral liposomes really being absorbed and is there evidence that oral liposomes vastly increase cellular uptake. If you run across an answer, let me know. Your sublingual is fine. M On 12/7/2012 5:56 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? So from this it would seem that supplementing with Vit D3 is a good thing as most of us *don*'t get the sort of sun exposure that we need. I have read that Vit D3 has the ability to trigger the cancer cells to self-destruct and this is why it has been found that cancer patients have very low levels of it. I asked the question because I use the Now brand of liposomal sublingual spray version containing both Vit D3 and Vit K2. It was the liposomal part which bothered me because of your information. dee *From: *mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com *Reply-To: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com *Date: *Thu, 06 Dec 2012 19:31:44 -0700 *To: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject: *Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? *Resent-From: *silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com *Resent-Date: *Thu, 6 Dec 2012 18:31:43 -0800 How did this get started? Maybe because I said that liposomes can transiently decrease macrophage activity and then someone said vit D is a rat poison as a rebuttal, trying I think to say that even well known healthy things can be toxic depending on the dose.. Its not only the quantity but how well your body balances things with other hormones and vitamins. Excess calcium circulating in the system can be toxic. Vit D can cause this. Probably everybody knows Dr Mercola is big on Vit D Its off topic but here is a little Mercola extract; sun exposure or the use of a safe tanning bed are the best options to optimize your vitamin D levels. You cannot overdose when getting your vitamin D from sun exposure, as your body has the ability to self-regulate and only make what it needs. If these options are not available, a supplement can be used, but keep the following in mind: * According to the most recent findings by Carole Baggerly, founder of GrassrootsHealth http://www.grassrootshealth.net/ , her research of nearly 10,000 people shows the ideal adult dose appears to be *8,000 IU's a day* to get most into the healthy range. * When you do supplement with vitamin D, you'll only want to supplement with natural vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol). * As an aside, there is evidence that the safety of vitamin D is dependent on vitamin K, and that vitamin D toxicity (although very rare with the D3 form) is actually aggravated by vitamin K2 deficiency. So if you take oral vitamin D, ideally you should take vitamin K2 as well http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/27/the-stealth-vitamin-that-can-improve-your-insulin-sensitivity.aspx or use organic fermented foods that are high in vitamin K2, as you need about 150 mcg per day. * The normal 25-hydroxyvitamin D lab range is between 20-56 ng/ml. But, this conventional range *is really a sign of deficiency*, and is too broad to be ideal. In fact, your vitamin D level should /not/ be below 32 ng/ml, and any levels below 20 ng/ml are considered serious deficiency states, increasing your risk of cancer and autoimmune diseases like multiple sclerosis and rheumatoid arthritis, just to name a few. * * Remember that if you were in the sun nearly every day with large amounts of your skin exposed and not taking any oral vitamin D, your level would be around 100 ng/ml.
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Thank you M it is good to know and it is good to have all the information available so keep it coming! dee From: mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 11:05:51 -0700 To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 10:05:52 -0800 Dee I wouldnt be concerned about liposomal sublinqual spray having negative effects at all. What I said about the macrophages and all that was just interesting things I found in Pub Med papers surrounding the issue of liposome absorption. The reduced macrophage action was due to large IV doses. In combination with a toxin called clodronate, they can wipe out your macrophages this way. It shows that macrophages consume liposomes, and I think thats why I brought up. My question was; are oral liposomes really being absorbed and is there evidence that oral liposomes vastly increase cellular uptake. If you run across an answer, let me know.Your sublingual is fine. M
Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes?
Pardon? dee From: mborg...@att.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 06:49:45 -0800 (PST) To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 06:49:45 -0800 Vit. d is mouse a poison From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 4:50:39 AM Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? I must say I really don't understand the science as it is very complicated. Can anyone tell me - with this information in mind - if this means that taking liposomal Vit C or indeed, Vit D3 in liposomal form, is detrimental to our health - or immune system? dee
Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes?
Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes?(Do they mean Coumadin?) - Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:40 PM Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? Pardon? dee -- From: mborg...@att.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 06:49:45 -0800 (PST) To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 06:49:45 -0800 Vit. d is mouse a poison -- From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 4:50:39 AM Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? I must say I really don't understand the science as it is very complicated. Can anyone tell me - with this information in mind - if this means that taking liposomal Vit C or indeed, Vit D3 in liposomal form, is detrimental to our health - or immune system? dee No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2634/5439 - Release Date: 12/05/12
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So I suppose the answer is in the case of normal¹ health, to use as natural as possible and in moderation? Food for thought? dee I dont get the impression that liposome Vit C is bad for the immune system, although the harder or stabilized liposomes have shown to create dramatic if transient spleen and liver enlargement as well as transient depression of phagocyte response. FDA is not careful to stop many toxic drugs from being marketed. My humble thought is that if you feel good taking your liposome C and Curcumin, then continue. Nothing is very simple with the body and vitamins though. For example, minerals exist in a tight interactive web of sorts such that taking more of one may deplete others. Is calcium good for bones? If yes, then why do some studies show that low calcium consuming native populations have better bone density than high calcium consumers? Should we then stop taking calcium, or instead try for a balance with magnesium and all the others? For the most part, the questions are resolved by eating and living naturally. If you are trying to battle a cancer or something, there could be a good reason to take lipo C. But if you simply feel better taking it, then thats a good sign. I tried sending this before, excuse me if it is a repost; MPS = mononuclear phagocyte system
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absolutely, I used to sell it was called vitamin d3 mouse poison by tom cat I think it is still made. I can't believe people are taking this stuff along with warfin. Besides causing internal bleeding It also raises the calcium in the blood so it is free to travel anywhere. I am a health coach, I cannot tell you the amount of people who have called and wondered why they were in the hospital and lost 3 pints of blood, first thing I ask do you take vit d always the answer is yes. This is not a vitamin it is a hormone. Do your research. From: Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 9:41:12 AM Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? Hey sorry to interject but vit D is a mouse poison?? On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.com wrote: What is MPS function? TIA On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 7:49 AM, mborg...@att.net wrote: Vit. d is mouse a poison From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 4:50:39 AM Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? I must say I really don't understand the science as it is very complicated. Can anyone tell me - with this information in mind - if this means that taking liposomal Vit C or indeed, Vit D3 in liposomal form, is detrimental to our health - or immune system? dee From: mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:42:06 -0700 To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 01:42:07 -0800 AJ If fact I made it sound worse than it is. My intent was to illustrate that phagoytosis was the natural fate of any liposomes that made it into the lymph and blood. If a large amount of liposomes got into the system, then the macrophages would be hard at work eating them up. However, its difficult to find evidence that intact liposomes make it across the GI tract, although Peyers patches may transport some into the lymph system. Overburdening the immune system was not the right description, sorry. Because liposomes are consumed by macrophages, it is a well known method to deplete them in vivo by loading liposomes with the drug dichloromethylene diphosphonate. This is able to wipe out a large percent of macrophages in the target system. But even unloaded liposomes can have a dramatic effect on the spleen and liver and immune system -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
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But Vitamin D3 is being lauded by even people like Dr Mercola who I have great respect for as a great must¹ for health! It is saidby many eminent people, that it is very necessary for health, and that people with cancer have a deficiency in it. We should get it from the sun but do not in enough quantity, which is why the deficiency. Have you any information about this because all the research I do says that Vit D3 is really good. Dee PS not Vit D2 I hasten to add! From: mborg...@att.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 08:13:26 -0800 (PST) To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 08:13:29 -0800 absolutely, I used to sell it was called vitamin d3 mouse poison by tom cat I think it is still made. I can't believe people are taking this stuff along with warfin. Besides causing internal bleeding It also raises the calcium in the blood so it is free to travel anywhere. I am a health coach, I cannot tell you the amount of people who have called and wondered why they were in the hospital and lost 3 pints of blood, first thing I ask do you take vit d always the answer is yes. This is not a vitamin it is a hormone. Do your research. From: Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 9:41:12 AM Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? Hey sorry to interject but vit D is a mouse poison?? On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.com wrote: What is MPS function? TIA On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 7:49 AM, mborg...@att.net wrote: Vit. d is mouse a poison From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 4:50:39 AM Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? I must say I really don't understand the science as it is very complicated. Can anyone tell me - with this information in mind - if this means that taking liposomal Vit C or indeed, Vit D3 in liposomal form, is detrimental to our health - or immune system? dee From: mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:42:06 -0700 To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 01:42:07 -0800 AJ If fact I made it sound worse than it is. My intent was to illustrate that phagoytosis was the natural fate of any liposomes that made it into the lymph and blood. If a large amount of liposomes got into the system, then the macrophages would be hard at work eating them up. However, its difficult to find evidence that intact liposomes make it across the GI tract, although Peyers patches may transport some into the lymph system. Overburdening the immune system was not the right description, sorry. Because liposomes are consumed by macrophages, it is a well known method to deplete them in vivo by loading liposomes with the drug dichloromethylene diphosphonate. This is able to wipe out a large percent of macrophages in the target system. But even unloaded liposomes can have a dramatic effect on the spleen and liver and immune system -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
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I just found the article and it is the dosage which is toxic to micenot to humans, is crucial. It is a human hormone cholecalciferol and it is toxic in high amounts to rodents. I doubt that humans would take a proportionate amount of this to do this sort of damage unless they were taking Warfarin or the like. dee From: mborg...@att.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 08:13:26 -0800 (PST) To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 08:13:29 -0800 absolutely, I used to sell it was called vitamin d3 mouse poison by tom cat I think it is still made. I can't believe people are taking this stuff along with warfin. Besides causing internal bleeding It also raises the calcium in the blood so it is free to travel anywhere. I am a health coach, I cannot tell you the amount of people who have called and wondered why they were in the hospital and lost 3 pints of blood, first thing I ask do you take vit d always the answer is yes. This is not a vitamin it is a hormone. Do your research. From: Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 9:41:12 AM Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? Hey sorry to interject but vit D is a mouse poison?? On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.com wrote: What is MPS function? TIA On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 7:49 AM, mborg...@att.net wrote: Vit. d is mouse a poison From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 4:50:39 AM Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? I must say I really don't understand the science as it is very complicated. Can anyone tell me - with this information in mind - if this means that taking liposomal Vit C or indeed, Vit D3 in liposomal form, is detrimental to our health - or immune system? dee From: mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:42:06 -0700 To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 01:42:07 -0800 AJ If fact I made it sound worse than it is. My intent was to illustrate that phagoytosis was the natural fate of any liposomes that made it into the lymph and blood. If a large amount of liposomes got into the system, then the macrophages would be hard at work eating them up. However, its difficult to find evidence that intact liposomes make it across the GI tract, although Peyers patches may transport some into the lymph system. Overburdening the immune system was not the right description, sorry. Because liposomes are consumed by macrophages, it is a well known method to deplete them in vivo by loading liposomes with the drug dichloromethylene diphosphonate. This is able to wipe out a large percent of macrophages in the target system. But even unloaded liposomes can have a dramatic effect on the spleen and liver and immune system -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
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Everything including water is bad if it is is taken in too high does, are you claiming that even eating according to the recommendations of FDA is unhealthy? AJ 2012/12/6 mborg...@att.net: absolutely, I used to sell it was called vitamin d3 mouse poison by tom cat I think it is still made. I can't believe people are taking this stuff along with warfin. Besides causing internal bleeding It also raises the calcium in the blood so it is free to travel anywhere. I am a health coach, I cannot tell you the amount of people who have called and wondered why they were in the hospital and lost 3 pints of blood, first thing I ask do you take vit d always the answer is yes. This is not a vitamin it is a hormone. Do your research. From: Gary Hilt sobertogod1n...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 9:41:12 AM Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? Hey sorry to interject but vit D is a mouse poison?? On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.com wrote: What is MPS function? TIA On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 7:49 AM, mborg...@att.net wrote: Vit. d is mouse a poison From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 4:50:39 AM Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? I must say I really don't understand the science as it is very complicated. Can anyone tell me - with this information in mind - if this means that taking liposomal Vit C or indeed, Vit D3 in liposomal form, is detrimental to our health - or immune system? dee From: mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:42:06 -0700 To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 01:42:07 -0800 AJ If fact I made it sound worse than it is. My intent was to illustrate that phagoytosis was the natural fate of any liposomes that made it into the lymph and blood. If a large amount of liposomes got into the system, then the macrophages would be hard at work eating them up. However, its difficult to find evidence that intact liposomes make it across the GI tract, although Peyers patches may transport some into the lymph system. Overburdening the immune system was not the right description, sorry. Because liposomes are consumed by macrophages, it is a well known method to deplete them in vivo by loading liposomes with the drug dichloromethylene diphosphonate. This is able to wipe out a large percent of macrophages in the target system. But even unloaded liposomes can have a dramatic effect on the spleen and liver and immune system -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
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André Juthe wrote: Everything including water is bad if it is is taken in too high does, are you claiming that even eating according to the recommendations of FDA is unhealthy? If you mean eating according to the USDA food guidelines, I certainly do think it is un healthy. LOL sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Ok so the FDA's recommendations of vitamin D3 are very wrong? This is a bold claim. Do you have a some references for this? /AJ 2012/12/6 sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com: André Juthe wrote: Everything including water is bad if it is is taken in too high does, are you claiming that even eating according to the recommendations of FDA is unhealthy? If you mean eating according to the USDA food guidelines, I certainly do think it is un healthy. LOL sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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If Vit.D3 is toxic then you'd better stay out of the sun. Your body produces about 10,000 IU's in an hour of sunshine. I've been taking 8000IU's daily for a couple of years with no ill effects that I can feel or see. -Original Message- From: André Juthe [mailto:andre.ju...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:58 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? Ok so the FDA's recommendations of vitamin D3 are very wrong? This is a bold claim. Do you have a some references for this? /AJ 2012/12/6 sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com: André Juthe wrote: Everything including water is bad if it is is taken in too high does, are you claiming that even eating according to the recommendations of FDA is unhealthy? If you mean eating according to the USDA food guidelines, I certainly do think it is un healthy. LOL sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes?
How did this get started? Maybe because I said that liposomes can transiently decrease macrophage activity and then someone said vit D is a rat poison as a rebuttal, trying I think to say that even well known healthy things can be toxic depending on the dose.. Its not only the quantity but how well your body balances things with other hormones and vitamins. Excess calcium circulating in the system can be toxic. Vit D can cause this. Probably everybody knows Dr Mercola is big on Vit D Its off topic but here is a little Mercola extract; sun exposure or the use of a safe tanning bed are the best options to optimize your vitamin D levels. You cannot overdose when getting your vitamin D from sun exposure, as your body has the ability to self-regulate and only make what it needs. If these options are not available, a supplement can be used, but keep the following in mind: * According to the most recent findings by Carole Baggerly, founder of GrassrootsHealth http://www.grassrootshealth.net/, her research of nearly 10,000 people shows the ideal adult dose appears to be *8,000 IU's a day* to get most into the healthy range. * When you do supplement with vitamin D, you'll only want to supplement with natural vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol). * As an aside, there is evidence that the safety of vitamin D is dependent on vitamin K, and that vitamin D toxicity (although very rare with the D3 form) is actually aggravated by vitamin K2 deficiency. So if you take oral vitamin D, ideally you should take vitamin K2 as well http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/27/the-stealth-vitamin-that-can-improve-your-insulin-sensitivity.aspx or use organic fermented foods that are high in vitamin K2, as you need about 150 mcg per day. * The normal 25-hydroxyvitamin D lab range is between 20-56 ng/ml. But, this conventional range *is really a sign of deficiency*, and is too broad to be ideal. In fact, your vitamin D level should /not/ be below 32 ng/ml, and any levels below 20 ng/ml are considered serious deficiency states, increasing your risk of cancer and autoimmune diseases like multiple sclerosis and rheumatoid arthritis, just to name a few. Remember that if you were in the sun nearly every day with large amounts of your skin exposed and not taking any oral vitamin D, your level would be around 100 ng/ml. On 12/6/2012 5:17 PM, Bob Banever wrote: If Vit.D3 is toxic then you'd better stay out of the sun. Your body produces about 10,000 IU's in an hour of sunshine. I've been taking 8000IU's daily for a couple of years with no ill effects that I can feel or see. -Original Message- From: André Juthe [mailto:andre.ju...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:58 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? Ok so the FDA's recommendations of vitamin D3 are very wrong? This is a bold claim. Do you have a some references for this? /AJ 2012/12/6 sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com: André Juthe wrote: Everything including water is bad if it is is taken in too high does, are you claiming that even eating according to the recommendations of FDA is unhealthy? If you mean eating according to the USDA food guidelines, I certainly do think it is un healthy. LOL sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes?
AJ If fact I made it sound worse than it is. My intent was to illustrate that phagoytosis was the natural fate of any liposomes that made it into the lymph and blood. If a large amount of liposomes got into the system, then the macrophages would be hard at work eating them up. However, its difficult to find evidence that intact liposomes make it across the GI tract, although Peyers patches may transport some into the lymph system. Overburdening the immune system was not the right description, sorry. Because liposomes are consumed by macrophages, it is a well known method to deplete them in vivo by loading liposomes with the drug dichloromethylene diphosphonate. This is able to wipe out a large percent of macrophages in the target system. But even unloaded liposomes can have a dramatic effect on the spleen and liver and immune system Allen et al performed a detailed study in mice on the effect of chronic IV administration of liposomes on MPS function.. Decreased uptake of liposomes into the liver combined with increased uptake into the spleen were taken as evidence of MPS impairment. Significant depression in phagocytic index was observed after 2 to 3 IV injections. In the case of liposomes of rigid composition (PC/SM) considerable spenomegaly was observed. ...It was suggested that liposomes with rigid bilayers caused greater impairment than those with fluid bilayers. In addition there wee granulomatous reaction in the liver. The appearaince of granulomas was correlated with depression of the phagocytic index. Similar findings were described earlier by Weereratne et al. IV injections of 100mg/kg of SM/Chol liposomes led to 50 and 300% enlargement of the liver and spleen respectively. No such effect was ovserved after similar treatment with PC/Chol liposomes. In the opinion of Claassen et al the results of Weereratne and Allen were not indicative of significant toxicity, but only reflected a temporary disturbance. A potential problem with conventional liposomes, particularly when delivered intravenously, is their rapid removal from circulation by cells of the reticuloendothelial system particularly in the liver and spleen. To circumvent the phagocytic cells of the immune system and hence enhance their half-life in the circulation, “stealth liposomes” have been designed. Stealth liposomes are created by coating the liposomes with a layer of polyethylene glycol-phosphatidylethanolamine (PEG liposomes). M On 11/29/2012 12:16 PM, André Juthe wrote: Do you have any reference for that? I never heard of that, I would like to read more about it. /AJ 2012/11/29 mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com: Any liposomes that get into the blood stream are attacked by macrophages. One can in fact overburden your immune system this way. So they have devised stealth liposomes to avoid this. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes?
I must say I really don't understand the science as it is very complicated. Can anyone tell me - with this information in mind - if this means that taking liposomal Vit C or indeed, Vit D3 in liposomal form, is detrimental to our health - or immune system? dee From: mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:42:06 -0700 To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 01:42:07 -0800 AJ If fact I made it sound worse than it is. My intent was to illustrate that phagoytosis was the natural fate of any liposomes that made it into the lymph and blood. If a large amount of liposomes got into the system, then the macrophages would be hard at work eating them up. However, its difficult to find evidence that intact liposomes make it across the GI tract, although Peyers patches may transport some into the lymph system. Overburdening the immune system was not the right description, sorry. Because liposomes are consumed by macrophages, it is a well known method to deplete them in vivo by loading liposomes with the drug dichloromethylene diphosphonate. This is able to wipe out a large percent of macrophages in the target system. But even unloaded liposomes can have a dramatic effect on the spleen and liver and immune system -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes?
Vit. d is mouse a poison From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 4:50:39 AM Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? I must say I really don't understand the science as it is very complicated. Can anyone tell me - with this information in mind - if this means that taking liposomal Vit C or indeed, Vit D3 in liposomal form, is detrimental to our health - or immune system? dee From: mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:42:06 -0700 To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 01:42:07 -0800 AJ If fact I made it sound worse than it is. My intent was to illustrate that phagoytosis was the natural fate of any liposomes that made it into the lymph and blood. If a large amount of liposomes got into the system, then the macrophages would be hard at work eating them up. However, its difficult to find evidence that intact liposomes make it across the GI tract, although Peyers patches may transport some into the lymph system. Overburdening the immune system was not the right description, sorry. Because liposomes are consumed by macrophages, it is a well known method to deplete them in vivo by loading liposomes with the drug dichloromethylene diphosphonate. This is able to wipe out a large percent of macrophages in the target system. But even unloaded liposomes can have a dramatic effect on the spleen and liver and immune system -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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What is MPS function? TIA On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 7:49 AM, mborg...@att.net wrote: Vit. d is mouse a poison -- *From:* Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wed, December 5, 2012 4:50:39 AM *Subject:* Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? I must say I really don't understand the science as it is very complicated. Can anyone tell me - with this information in mind - if this means that taking liposomal Vit C or indeed, Vit D3 in liposomal form, is detrimental to our health - or immune system? dee From: mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:42:06 -0700 To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 01:42:07 -0800 AJ If fact I made it sound worse than it is. My intent was to illustrate that phagoytosis was the natural fate of any liposomes that made it into the lymph and blood. If a large amount of liposomes got into the system, then the macrophages would be hard at work eating them up. However, its difficult to find evidence that intact liposomes make it across the GI tract, although Peyers patches may transport some into the lymph system. Overburdening the immune system was not the right description, sorry. Because liposomes are consumed by macrophages, it is a well known method to deplete them in vivo by loading liposomes with the drug dichloromethylene diphosphonate. This is able to wipe out a large percent of macrophages in the target system. But even unloaded liposomes can have a dramatic effect on the spleen and liver and immune system -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes?
Hey sorry to interject but vit D is a mouse poison?? On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.com wrote: What is MPS function? TIA On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 7:49 AM, mborg...@att.net wrote: Vit. d is mouse a poison -- *From:* Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wed, December 5, 2012 4:50:39 AM *Subject:* Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? I must say I really don't understand the science as it is very complicated. Can anyone tell me - with this information in mind - if this means that taking liposomal Vit C or indeed, Vit D3 in liposomal form, is detrimental to our health - or immune system? dee From: mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:42:06 -0700 To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 01:42:07 -0800 AJ If fact I made it sound worse than it is. My intent was to illustrate that phagoytosis was the natural fate of any liposomes that made it into the lymph and blood. If a large amount of liposomes got into the system, then the macrophages would be hard at work eating them up. However, its difficult to find evidence that intact liposomes make it across the GI tract, although Peyers patches may transport some into the lymph system. Overburdening the immune system was not the right description, sorry. Because liposomes are consumed by macrophages, it is a well known method to deplete them in vivo by loading liposomes with the drug dichloromethylene diphosphonate. This is able to wipe out a large percent of macrophages in the target system. But even unloaded liposomes can have a dramatic effect on the spleen and liver and immune system -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Gary Lennie
Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes?
Yes I ask the same question, are you saying that using liposomal form of vitamin-C and similar compounds are detrimental to our immune system? One should expect FDA would have been more careful before thay approved of liposomal delivery systems if their was problematic. I make my own liposomal vitamin c and my own liposomal curcummin, should I stop? Regards, André Juthe (AJ) 2012/12/5 Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org: I must say I really don't understand the science as it is very complicated. Can anyone tell me - with this information in mind - if this means that taking liposomal Vit C or indeed, Vit D3 in liposomal form, is detrimental to our health - or immune system? dee From: mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:42:06 -0700 To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes? Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 01:42:07 -0800 AJ If fact I made it sound worse than it is. My intent was to illustrate that phagoytosis was the natural fate of any liposomes that made it into the lymph and blood. If a large amount of liposomes got into the system, then the macrophages would be hard at work eating them up. However, its difficult to find evidence that intact liposomes make it across the GI tract, although Peyers patches may transport some into the lymph system. Overburdening the immune system was not the right description, sorry. Because liposomes are consumed by macrophages, it is a well known method to deplete them in vivo by loading liposomes with the drug dichloromethylene diphosphonate. This is able to wipe out a large percent of macrophages in the target system. But even unloaded liposomes can have a dramatic effect on the spleen and liver and immune system -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes?
On 12/5/2012 11:56 AM, André Juthe wrote: Yes I ask the same question, are you saying that using liposomal form of vitamin-C and similar compounds are detrimental to our immune system? One should expect FDA would have been more careful before thay approved of liposomal delivery systems if their was problematic. I make my own liposomal vitamin c and my own liposomal curcummin, should I stop? Regards, André Juthe (AJ) I dont get the impression that liposome Vit C is bad for the immune system, although the harder or stabilized liposomes have shown to create dramatic if transient spleen and liver enlargement as well as transient depression of phagocyte response. FDA is not careful to stop many toxic drugs from being marketed. My humble thought is that if you feel good taking your liposome C and Curcumin, then continue. Nothing is very simple with the body and vitamins though. For example, minerals exist in a tight interactive web of sorts such that taking more of one may deplete others. Is calcium good for bones? If yes, then why do some studies show that low calcium consuming native populations have better bone density than high calcium consumers? Should we then stop taking calcium, or instead try for a balance with magnesium and all the others? For the most part, the questions are resolved by eating and living naturally. If you are trying to battle a cancer or something, there could be a good reason to take lipo C. But if you simply feel better taking it, then thats a good sign. I tried sending this before, excuse me if it is a repost; /MPS = mononuclear phagocyte system/ The body is amazingly complicated. A simplistic logic often wont apply, for example free radicals are bad, oxygen is good, Vit C is an antioxidant so therefore good. These things are true but there is always more to it. I just posted this copy on the DIY liposome forum about Vit C; Ascorbic acid (AA) AA, known for its antioxidant activity, also acts as a prooxidant . ... during the oxidation reduction process, glutathione (GSH) is converted into GSH disulfide, depleting intracellular stores of GSH and increasing reactive oxygen species ( ROS). AA has been shown to synergize with As2O3 (arsenic trioxide) for effective growth-inhibition and apoptosis (cell death). ascorbic acid potentiated the cytotoxic effect of arsenic trioxide in multiple myeloma cell lines. They also demonstrated that ascorbic acid suppressed GSH, increased ROS and enhanced apoptotic changes. So vit C can act as a cancer fighting supplement by increasing reactive oxygen speciesfree radicals, just about the opposite of what one might expect. The fact that it depletes glutathione is interesting since this is one of the best antioxidants we have. Whey protein is suggested to increase glutathione. Arsenic is a poison but it is part of a traditional Chinese medicine used for leukemia. Its interesting that vit C potentiates arsenic trioxide. Thus a poison can be used for therapy, not an uncommon idea in the pharmaceutical world! Arsenic may work also by tagging one of two proteins that become fused causing a tumor; PML-RARa is marked for degradation by ubiquitin, turning the cancer cells back into normal cells. Following time honored concepts like fresh and raw fruits and veggies, or perhaps the Mediterranean diet, using herbs for nutrition and detoxification, exercising, sunbathing etc will naturally balance all of these difficult and complicated processes. The above description of the oxidizing effect, cytotoxic potential of Vit C via production of hydrogen peroxide, show that this could support an immune system attack on unwanted cells. Healthy cells may be protected by the enzyme catalase which is often deficient in tumor cells. So in that way is good for the immune system, although it may be difficult to achieve blood levels of vit C that are sufficient to kill tumor cells. Addition of vit k3, another hydrogen peroxide generator, and lipoic acid reduces the required C saturation level to achieve cancer cell apoptosis. At lower concentrations it may have opposite effects, acting as an antioxidant, and performing many useful functions like strengthening the extracellular matrix. It does raise the question that if high doses of vit C deplete glutathione, maybe its not warranted for chronic use at mega dose levels. I dont know about liposome vit D3. Sunbathing could be a free and enjoyable alternative. Since Becker observed that silver ions could dedifferentiate cells, its always been a question in my mind if this could be a two edged sword. A de differntiated cell doesnt seem so good until its re differentiated back in the right way. Are we assured that this is the case, for example when silver ions cross the blood brain barrier?
Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes?
This subject is very interesting. I read that the stomach does not absorb very well, only some water and alcohol. What I wrote about the absorption, digestion and destruction of liposomes in the small intestine comes from a few published scientific papers. There is research on this because it is of interest for drug delivery. There is a difference between oral liposome or IV, or buccal or transdermal. Any liposomes that get into the blood stream are attacked by macrophages. One can in fact overburden your immune system this way. So they have devised stealth liposomes to avoid this. It seems the silver chloride conversion in the stomach is a big issue with CS, and liposome CS could be a great benefit if it worked out. thanks M On 11/29/2012 3:56 AM, André Juthe wrote: This is exactly what I have heard as well, but this concerns liposomal vit c. 2012/11/29 Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org: I had understood that liposomes were absorbed through the wall of the stomach into the bloodstream and then to the liver. Is this not true then? I make liposomal Vit C and am really interested. dee There is some indication that liposomes are not absorbed intact. They are absorbed by mucosal cells in the small intestine and broken down by the reticular cells, the fatty acids possibly resynthesized and the liposome content passed into the lymphatic vessels and transported to the thoracic duct where they enter the bloodstream. Thats what I hear anyway. I dont know what the implication is exactly. I guess the silver ions would be protected from precipitating to silver chloride in the stomach. Would silver ions de differentiate the epithelial reticulum? It seems like that could be a disaster. I dont see de differentiation as being totally benign. Any ions that are precipitated to colloidal particles end up getting lodged in the cellular lysosomes and interstitial spaces. It looks suspicious in microphotos. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHIV success with CS?liposomes?
Do you have any reference for that? I never heard of that, I would like to read more about it. /AJ 2012/11/29 mgperrault mgperra...@aol.com: Any liposomes that get into the blood stream are attacked by macrophages. One can in fact overburden your immune system this way. So they have devised stealth liposomes to avoid this. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
